The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Jumping into Love

Episode Date: January 29, 2019

After an emotionally heavy episode with Shawn Booth, Ben and Ashley return to address some of the feedback they’ve received. And after some discussion about Caelynn’s vulnerable moment with Colton on this week’s episode, Ben shares a deeply personal story about a close friend of his and her experience with sexual assault. Then we talk to Bri, who was eliminated last week, and she gives us an inside look into the feud between Demi and Courtney. Plus, we hook her up with a member of Bachelor nation that she admitted she has a huge crush on. And Ashley lets us know how her wedding plans are changing after the news that Jade and Tanner are adding a new member to the family! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The snow is falling in Denver, Colorado. I think we have 12 inches as of last night. Really? It's a big day. So I'm sitting talking to Ashley, Iconetti, my favorite co-host today, about all the craziness that's happened in Bachelor Nation over the last week. And Ashley, I feel like we've been in the headlines a lot. Yeah, we have.

especially over the past couple days. And the response has been extremely positive. I know, and I think we said it even at the beginning of our interview with Sean Booth. And if you all haven't listened, make sure you go to the IHeart Radio app and download our in-depth episode with Sean Booth, talking everything, breakup and kind of what life looks like for him now. But Ashley, I think you did a really great job at the beginning of that podcast. And I don't even know if you meant to, but you said this.

said, I feel really awkward. Yeah. And I think it set the tone to say, this doesn't feel right. Like, I don't want to talk to anybody about their breakup, but it felt like something that needed to happen for not only us, I mean, as a podcast, but for Sean and hopefully, you know, Caitlin's obviously moving on as well. I think what made it feel awkward was that it's hard to get a breakup interview without both people present because you're only going to get one side of it there.

So I want to do my best to present whatever I knew from Caitlin's side. That's a good point. Yeah. And the response has been really positive. I mean, I felt like we were going to get a lot of backlash. Just no matter what, we're setting ourselves up to get backlash when you do, like you said, a breakup podcast where you're only getting one side. But the vulnerability that was shared during that, the details, the real.

emotion that we, I mean, we had to stop the podcast, I don't know, four times because of the emotion that was involved. I think really helped the listener understand that nobody is trying to hurt anybody in this situation. Right. So when it comes to Sean, we have a couple emails and the voice from above is going to read them to us. Mark, will you read a couple of these Sean emails for us? I'd be happy to. Thank you. This one's from an anonymous emailer. I listen to your podcast a lot, but this one was by far the best. Sean's openness and raw emotion really moved me. I went through a breakup a few years ago with my high school sweetheart. I've never felt a pain like that breakup in my life, but my message to Sean would be that sometimes it's harder to be the one

that ends things because then you have to live with the choice you made and constantly debate if you made the right decision. Although the pain can be unbearable, it makes you stronger. And eventually you do realize everything worked out for the best. Ashley, if you get out of a breakup, you know, you're in the public eye, you're in a committed, safe, really loving relationship right now, forever. But if you're in a, if you're in that same relationship and something happens, are you upset with the partner for doing the podcast? And the question then in return in the same breath would be, would you do one yourself? I think in this case, Caitlin has her platform as her podcast. And then Sean doesn't have his own platform.

So it was fine for him to come on this podcast because he needs to air his beep out. And then she has had the ability to do so for the past couple of months. Fair enough. Mark. All right. This one says, hi, guys. I appreciate what you were doing with the in-depth episode with Sean Booth. I know you're just doing your jobs and we're as respectful to both sides as possible.

But I have to say, I think it was extremely inappropriate and disrespectful of Sean to out the timeline of Caitlin and Jason's relationship. That is not his narrative to tell. They obviously chose to go public the way they did for a reason, and he took that right away from them, which is not his place. Ben, how do you feel about that? It's interesting.

I mean, I don't know. It's funny, I'm reading this. And I think the most confusing part to breakups and how we all move on, no matter where you're at in life, is whose place is what? Honestly, like, how do we determine whose place is what? I mean, if you've been hurt,

And I don't know the Sean, Caitlin Jason timeline. But if you've been hurt and you're telling your friends and family about the breakup and you have a suspicion that something weird was happening, would it not be your narrative to tell? If your pain is deep, if your heart is broken, would it not be your narrative? I agree. It's his narrative to be able to share his pain and experience, just like it's hers. What's so weird is that it's public because, you know, in normal relationships, you just tell your friends then your friends know but I guess people are thinking like it's airing somebody's dirty laundry to like the mass public that is like leaves a bad taste in their mouth

but it's maybe not it's not necessarily dirty no it's exactly that's a good point ash like what if this isn't dirty what if he's explaining a timeline that is safe he's just saying this is how it played out uh everything was right everything was good I I don't think he was insinuating anything. He was just saying, hey, if anything else, the speed at which she's moved on has hurt me. Not that it's wrong, not that it's bad, not that she can't do it. It just pains me. And I get that. I felt that way. I can relate with him on that. Yeah. Mark, do we have another one? Well, the rest of them go into the Kalin situation, although this one does say, thank you for going so much deeper. I am in awe that Sean could be so raw and vulnerable. You both ask the right questions. It is supporting and loving way.

these are real people dealing with real love and heartache. Then she goes on to say, thank you for taking such care in discussing Kalin's sexual assault. I think this revelation is going to open up a lot of discussions about abuse, and I just know the two of you will guide your part of the discussion

in a safe and responsible way. That's perfect. That's a good transition there. I want to close up to Sean Booth, Caitlin Bristow conversation by just saying that Ashley, I'm going to speak for you, Ash. Is that cool?

It depends what you say. we love them both dearly and uh kately and sean i view as friends of mine uh and i'll let actually agree or disagree on that i thought walking out of that i from a trying to be uh from a balanced perspective uh sean did a really good job at explaining himself that talking through the situation uh and i know that when he left that day he still had a lot of respect care and love for Caitlin. And he was very cautious about how she was going to get portrayed in this. So anyways, I just want to say thank you to Sean for coming on the podcast. Again, if you haven't listened, download it on the IHeart app. It's the in-depth episode with Sean Booth.

Actually, as of last night, one day, I think it was a top five podcast of the week, which better watch out Joe Rogan. Actually, I can Eddie's coming for you. Stop. And if I'm just going to to chew my own horn, like you just said, I think we did do a pretty good job doing a non-biased. interview and asking all the questions that a lot of fans have been asking since they announced their breakup. All right. So I've told you guys about how fun it was registering for Jared and my wedding at Creighton Barrel. We've been doing all the wedding things lately. We got some very exciting news about our musical guests this week. We just said musical guests. We were also doing our save the dates this week. And we recently got a private registry event.

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And we tried to do it in the podcast with Sean as well. But we have to talk about, and we'll move on to kind of the Bachelor episode recap later in the podcast. But there's a couple things that seem to be very clearly priorities that we need to talk about. And that's the Caitlin situation. So Ashley and I want to take that conversation and that experience with Caitlin or Kalin

and talk about it on a separate segment because it holds that much power and weight. We don't want to just throw it into the Bachelor recap. It's way too important and way too big of a topic to do that. on on the last uh couple minutes of sean's episode we did bring it up and uh and talk about it but here's because we got an advanced clip of it we did get an advanced clip and we played that clip during the podcast so so if you haven't seen tonight's episode you can go back and listen to the podcast with sean and hear the conversation Ashley let's kind of just go back to

what we talked about before what is what is your initial reaction as you see Colton and Kalin sit down and that conversation starts well it's probably the most vulnerable conversation we may have ever seen on The Bachelor I think normally you kind of watch it and you're like yeah these two people really know that there are cameras around them and that they're going to this conversation is going to be on TV there's something about this conversation that just seemed extremely intimate like they were not thinking about anyone besides the two of them I think it was so brave of her to tell her story we have never from all the seasons that I've watched seen a girl come out about a sexual assault that she experienced. And one in six American women

have either been in a situation where a rape was attempted or they were actually raped. And so statistically speaking, you would say that there's been plenty of bachelor contestants who have gone through this before. But Kaylin is the first one to come forward and tell the bachelor her story about this and in this me too movement i think it was very just brave and powerful of her to be that open to talk about that on this date yeah you know sexual assault has obviously been it will be a defining topic um kind of in our generation and it's one that had to happen right so uh earlier a couple episodes ago we had actually spy vion who discussed this topic with us see statistically speaking she was one of those girls but she never brought it up on the show never did

and so it seems like a topic that more and more people are open to discuss here's here's a little top a little one for you what we saw with caylin is what the me too movement was started to be a very pointed powerful scenario where we say no we're going to put our foot down our stake in the ground and say this is no longer okay and we're going to talk about it we're not going to make it taboo anymore to discuss because it's happened to so many women. And the beauty of what Kaelin did is, like you said, like it or not, she has a platform now, right? She's on the show and she took this opportunity, just like it sounds like from our research, she's done in the pageant world as well. And she said, I'm going to take this platform and I'm going to make it

something a lot bigger than myself and I'm going to be the voice for women out there. I'm going to lay everything down for the sake of a topic that needs to be discussed. I want to move in then because Kailen did obviously a great job of being vulnerable. She's relatable to many. But I want to walk into a topic, Ashley, that I wonder if you felt it. The idea of shame. Kailen discusses with Colton that after this whole thing goes down, something very traumatic, something that it was beyond her control, that she was not at fault for whatsoever,

not not one ounce at fault for she still carried a level of shame and shame's a very very difficult emotion to kind of overcome and it's it's fairly detrimental um to our emotional well-being so actually i don't know if you felt shame but what was your idea or thoughts as kailen mentioned her thoughts on shame i just thought it was really unfortunate that that feeling is attached to that experience since it obviously shouldn't be we got hundreds of emails from from women sharing their stories and almost in every single one they felt in some way shameful and responsible that's so insane and it's so heartbreaking but it's somehow you know we got an email from a woman who felt like her gut was telling her something wasn't right and she didn't leave

and then now she blames herself and it's like she i don't know how you can change that you know other we can keep saying it's not your fault you did nothing wrong but for people to internalize it is so challenging yeah Amy you bring up a good point I'm just sitting here thinking on this for a second if that many women are feeling a common emotion there's there's obviously some science or behind that it just sounds like something that happens to the human composition the chemicals in the brain and the body that lead to this feeling we just have to eliminate the stigma so people feel so open talking about it whether that's with their family their friends therapists but but it's common and so when something's common in this world it feels like

you know when you can relate on a on a similar emotion around anything right this is this is something that that gets really tricky but there feels like what kalan's done is taking this shame and like a lot of people done amy as you mentioned we got hundreds of emails from these women right and their stories are really powerful uh you know it's sad i can't make sense of why they feel shame. I don't know that side of the situation. I know it's not right. I know it's not fair to them.

I know that's not what we desire for them. But as they read their emails, as we read their emails, what we saw was these women now are speaking up. They're taking this shame and they're saying, it doesn't feel good. At times, I think the word embarrassed at fault was used in these emails. They said I felt embarrassed.

I felt at fault. I felt like this was a problem. I was a part of. but they've said no we're going to overcome those negative emotions and put and again put our stake in the ground and say we're bigger and better than this and we will survive that to me is what this whole thing is about now is saying yes you've been hurt we know that maybe i will never understand that maybe i will never be able to fully grasp how deeply you've been hurt what i can do is get behind you and say we can be a voice for the many and stand up

against it. This is, this is not, and I want to mention, too, is I think our studies found that 8% of men have been a victim of sexually assault as well. Let's not just put, you know, let's say this is just something that we should just discuss and not make taboo. And Kaelin, congratulations on you and just thank you for being a voice for so many. I want to, I also want to, I also want to to mention that the organization that the Bachelor is supporting is Rain.org. You saw the clip come up during the show. Rain.org stands up against rape, abuse, and incest. They have a 24-hour crisis number. That's 1-800-6-5-6-hope. 1-800-6-5-6 hope. If you have been a victim, if you are a survivor, please reach out to Rain or any other network and support.

There's a lot of people out there that want to and do have your back. I have to say that I learned for the first time that some hospitals, well, that hospitals can legally turn you away for a rape kid. That is unbelievable. Disgusting. What the heck? Oh. Did you know that beforehand?

I did. Can I tell a quick story? Yes. So when I was in college, there was a young lady who, is an incredible person and she was doing an article about me because my life was was just weird and i guess it hasn't got any less weird um and we became very good friend she followed me around for six weeks of my senior year of college writing this article about me it was something that we became very close around and and long story short uh she was always on time uh always very

punctual and really good at her job and when the it was her final thesis uh in college and she uh she told me she wanted to meet at a coffee shop to discuss the final paper and she never showed up to the coffee shop. So I went home and I called around and I was looking for. I called her sorority. I called her friends. Finally got a phone call from her mom saying that she had been put in the hospital because the night before she was out celebrating the completion of her very last paper of college. She was at a bowling alley and her drink was drugged. She was thrown in the back of a car. she was sexually assaulted left her dead in the middle of a cornfield in Indiana and a police officer just happened to be driving by and her lights shined on this friend of mine and found her took her to the hospital and because of how listen this is where it gets really crazy because of how badly beaten she was she had broken ribs and her spleen was destroyed the hospital would not do a rape kit and they never did do a rape kit because it took her so long to heal and then they never were

able to prosecute anybody for the situation because it was too far removed she was too far removed to have any viable evidence of what happened isn't that wild they thought that she was too like physically broken at the time to do a yeah kit yeah that sounds while you're talking about I'm also reading an article because I'm very curious how or why an emergency room would turn someone away I guess if you don't have insurance, they can turn you away, even if you're willing to pay the bill. I'm reading this article right now. I have maybe a question I want to throw out there and to kind of end this conversation

because, you know, it is one that I think we could all, we all feel a sense of heaviness from. We all want to say thank you to Kalin for speaking up. for all of our listeners out there and for anybody that is a survivor how do we help you can you write us at Ben and Ashley at iHeartMedia.com I want to know

I don't know if I have a clear answer of how I can help you and I think we all here at the Almost Famous Podcast want to be that support if we need to talk about it more if we need to have people on to discuss it we're willing to do that

but how can we help So please write us again at Ben and Ashley, iHeartMedia.com. We will read through your emails. And I think I just want to throw in the fact that I cannot believe that this kind of evil exists. And that so much evil exists that one in six American women go through this. That's mind-boggling to me. I think the stat that I'm seeing is that 15 to 35% of assault or rape victims report it. And I think that's why talking about it does do something.

because removing the stigma and the shame makes people feel like they should and can report it. You know, I'm just reading this. I think if there's anything we can do to figure out how to solve the issues with performing the rape kits. I guess it says a lot of hospitals, you know, are not, some people aren't trained

to perform the rate kit accurately. There's insurance issues, all kinds of state and federal laws that are murky and unclear even to legal experts. It's just big, complicated issue. It is. And that's why we need help. I think an open dialogue is the only way to progress to a place of some understanding.

So good on Caitlin, or Caitlin for, keep calling her, Caitlin, for starting this open dialogue. And just to clarify, so we're accurate. Emergency rooms should not and are not supposed to turn people away. regardless of their ability to pay. But that applies to licensed hospitals with emergency department. The loophole is it does not apply to license freestanding emergency medical care facilities. And it's difficult to interpret, you know, the meaning of all this. But there are significant loopholes.

And I think that's what some of these women may be experiencing. Mark, do we have any emails about this? Well, this is a very heavy one. And actually, there's something in that you mom want to clarify, actually. So it's probably... Worth reading. Dear Ben and Ashley, I really appreciate the honesty and vulnerability. When Kaylin said she felt safe with Colton, that rang so close to home for me.

When someone is taking your security from you, a person who truly makes you feel safe, loved, and accepted, is a rare thing that you hold on to. I was raped when I was 15 by my boyfriend. It took me months to tell anyone because I was so ashamed and thought it was my fault. I tortured myself for a long time and was incredibly self-destructive. I finally told someone after my second suicide attempt. shame is a powerful emotion that can completely consume you. I did want to point out a comment that Ashley made when she interjected and said,

I would have no idea what it feels like to be a victim. There was an undertone of I'm not the kind of person who would be in that situation because I was a virgin for so long. This is the kind of comment that kept me from telling my story. It's these subtle comments from women who otherwise are trying to build up other women that make the shame feel all the more overwhelming. Thank you again for these candid conversations. absolutely not what I meant by that was I only think I could begin to conceptualize the pain that these victims go through and I didn't want to speak on behalf of them I think that's fair that's fair I'm so sorry that if it that came across in that tone I I'm so sorry if you thought that there's no easy way to move on I I have zero idea how to move on so uh

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Ben. So feeling is mutual, Ben. Oh, Bree, that's really sweet. The Lauren B, you know what, Lauren is a beautiful person. So that is a terrific comparison. You should stand tall and proud of that. She's one of a kind. Brie, you're let go.

You went home way too early. Why? What happened? I know. I know. I was sad, too. And honestly, a little shocked, I think, that day. We didn't see too much of me on this season.

I think I didn't get as much air time as I hoped. And I don't know if it was just, you know, that I couldn't fully let go on camera because I feel like so many people don't really speak on that, but for me, that was like something really hard. And I was pretty open with Colton. Like every time I had one-on-one time with him, I would let him know, like, I'm trying my hardest to be open. This is just, you know, a little different for me. So I don't know if it was that or if maybe there just wasn't much of a connection. I don't know. But I was sad to go. Ben, Bree, I have a question. So we live in a world where a bachelor world where we're told like,

I want you to open up. I want you to open up. But I think that can be such an intimidating statement. How can we make that seem a little bit lighter where it's like, I just want you to talk to me about fun stuff. Opening up sounds like really, it sounds like what that girl Caitlin thought last week, like I have to tell you a sob story. It doesn't necessarily mean you have to tell a sob story.

It means let's just have an easy, breezy conversation. And, you know, I think that's funny because even going on the show, I remember, like, talking with my mom and she was like, well, like, what's your big story going to be? Like, you haven't gone through anything necessarily traumatizing. Like, you kind of have to, like, capture them. So I felt, like, a little bit of pressure to, I don't know, like, have some sort of story going into that. But honestly, like, I feel like I'm actually a very open person and honest most of the time. So it's not hard for me to open up. I think it's sometimes the opposite, like, especially being on camera.

It was hard for me to just be, like, casual and, like, have, like, easy conversation instead of being like, hey, tell me your biggest fear or, hey, like, what's gone on here? Like, I'm all about, like, those deeper conversations, and it might be kind of weird for other people. So I was like, I have to, like, try and tone this back a little. It could truly be something as easy as would you study in school. And that opens up a big can of worms. for sure yeah that could be like a whole conversation from there on but I feel like I'm always most interested in like especially because this is such like an escalated um process like trying

to get to know someone quickly like I guess I'd rather know earlier on like some of those deeper things to get like a better feel for who they are instead of what what school did you go to which I would ask on a normal date but this isn't a normal way of dating and it's hard for always to say this is one of my favorite questions ask any contestant who was let home early as watching the bachelor's year it feels like these women are really into colton was that how it felt in the house or was people on edge were they questioning him were you questioning him or was everybody just sold out that this guy he is my husband um i mean because i left so early i feel like there may have been like a couple girls who were starting to build

but it was so early on like a lot of girls were just wanting to get to know him still so it wasn't like a huge conversation while I was there um you know everyone just wanted to get more time with him mostly but I think there was definitely a couple girls I noticed from the beginning that like connected with him more um Bree I know that in this episode they kind of wrapped up the feud between Hannah and Kayla in a very weird way and I sort of have a theory on that and Ben and I haven't discussed yet but do you know what happened in their past that makes them so hostile to each other? I've been asked about this a lot lately and honestly in the house I wasn't really much about the drama like I really tried to stay away from all of that so I didn't hear too much I don't know like how it's all going to wrap up and I do hope for both their sake like they were both really sweet girls. I hope that it's not something that like continues throughout the entire season of both

of them being there. But, um, I mean, I really don't, I don't know all the, like the whole backstory, really anything other than what was shown in, uh, last week's episode, I guess. What's your guys theory on that? You know, I think it's a massive topic. And, and Ashley, I want to spend some time later on digging in, Bree. I know that you only have a few minutes with us. And before you go, I got to ask you, I have a feeling that if you, unless you don't want it to be, this will not be our last time seeing you in Bachelor Nation on a Bachelor show.

Where do you hope this goes for you? What do you hope is next? Are you hoping for paradise? Will you agree to paradise? Or are you done? This is, this was not a good experience. No. No, no.

I think this was an amazing experience. And I've only noticed I've grown and pushed myself so much. more, like, since the show, since the experience, and now that it's all airing. And I love that. Like, anything in life that will push me more to, you know, find out more about myself or whatever that is, I'm totally down for. I'm hoping this isn't the end because I've had a great time. So very open to paradise and really anything that will come from it.

Demi is the, quote, villain in the house. I don't think she's, like, as villainous as a lot. of past villains. I think she's more of a pest like I talked about last week. But in this episode, Demi and Courtney go at it. Demi calls Courtney the cancer of the house. How did you view Demi? And did you actually think that Courtney was more of a complainer than it has been showed in previous episodes? I think that it is funny that Demi's coming off as such a And I think that, I think she likes the attention. I think that it's fun for her.

But, you know, I wouldn't say she's like a complete villain. And I noticed, actually, I think it was the night that I went home, but they had a little bit of something brewing. So I'm interested to see what happens on tonight's episode. So I'm not really sure. We'll see. Bree, before we send you off here, not to put you on the spot, but definitely to put you on the spot.

You're going to go on Paradise, hopefully. I hope you go on Paradise. Bree, I think you've got a lot of potential. I don't think, I don't think, I think Colton's seeing home way too early. So all the guys up to date that will potentially be in Paradise from this franchise, who do you have your eye on? Well, you know, if you were single, Ben, it would be a different story. but I've been asked this a couple of times and I kind of have my eye on Dean right now.

I know that there's, I know he's said a couple things, but I mean, I hope that that wouldn't hold him back from Paradise and I haven't spoken to Dean at all, but I think that I would be interested in getting to know him. You guys live in the same area so it could be feasible. Yes, this is possible. Hey, Ash, let's connect him. Sure, I mean, unless you wanted to unfold in Paradise,

and I really don't think Dean's doing the show again, so I don't think that's an option for you, but we can totally set you up. How about she comes on Help I Suck at Dating? Ooh, yes, please. All right, Brie, you're invited in studio for that. All right, February 5th, Bree. Nothing like, there's honestly nothing like the show.

Bree, I thank you for playing along here. There's nothing like The Bachelor to just make you super forward. Like, I feel zero weirdness about like telling somebody now, Like, hey, I think you're cute. I have a crush. Like, I'm into this. So, Bree, good on you. Hey, we're going to miss you.

I'll miss you from here on now. So I'm sorry, but I hope Paradise is the next step for you. Bree, from Colton Seasons, The Bachelor. Ashley, any questions to end it? No, that's it. I just wanted to say that I also have never, I never told anyone I like you until the Bachelor. Oh. I appreciate that about this whole thing.

You know, it really pushes you to be more open. And I admire that about other people. Yeah, and it makes openness not seem creepy or desperate or eager. No, yeah. It's just a way of doing it naturally, I think, you know. Yeah. But hopefully you guys will be seeing more of me. I'm hopeful of that.

Okay. So, too, Bree. Thanks a lot. Bye. Bye. Thanks for having me. Bye, guys. It should be mentioned that we record this on Monday afternoons because Ben and I get a

advance copy of the episode. Sometimes those copies though. Sometimes those copies. It's so that you guys have this podcast to listen to right after the show on Monday nights or on Tuesday morning on your drive to work. We sometimes in that screener don't get the rose ceremony, which is why last week there was some references as to Bree staying on the show. We didn't know she got eliminated at the rose ceremony. I had no, I had zero expectation that she would get. Yeah, I didn't either. And then we, that's also why Brie just then was referring to the episode that she had to watch tonight. She means episode four. That's just how it goes around here. We're going to start getting the road ceremonies. I'm sad about that one. But anyways, hey, Bree, thanks for coming on the episode.

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and it says, an article with Bree has mentioned your name and it's an article with Lauren Zima about how Brie, our last guest, mentioned that, yeah, she was, had a crush on, on Dean and I. So that's really sweet, Bree. Thank you again for that. But I thought it was weird that she just got the phone that popped up on my computer. Hey, moving on, Ashley, this episode with Colton was one that I was very envious of at times.

And also really happy that I'm not The Bachelor ever again at other times. And let me tell you why. First off, Singapore. I love the idea of Singapore. I would love to go to Singapore. I'm very envious of that. But jumping right into the first date, I'm really glad I'm not The Bachelor

because there is no way in hell. You're getting me to bungee jump off that thing. I really felt that moment. Like I could feel them with that anxiety in their soul. Like I'm actually going to step off this thing and just free fall. Uh-uh. Did you do anything? anything like that on your season?

No, no, they must know that I would have been like, I'm out. Like, love ain't worth this. Jared Bungee jumped with Claire on Paradise. Really? Yeah. But it was like a lot less of a fall. And it was over water, which to me, like it was over ocean water, which feels a lot safer for me. It's, I texted Colton last night.

And I was like, dude, I'm really glad that you're the bachelor. Like, you're doing a great job for so. many reasons, but also because that right there is something they would have never been able to get me to do. Really? It didn't seem like he was too eager. I don't think he was either, but he held his own. So anyways, that was my takeaway from the first date. I mean, Tasha's great. She's very beautiful. I'm glad that this worked out for them. But I had anxiety for 15 minutes following this date, just trying to process the fact that they were jumping from their legs, you know, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of feet with the idea that this was helping.

them find love. Isn't that silly? It's really just so they can use all the cliches, like, I really feel like I'm falling in love. Oh, that's a good point. Jumping and falling. Really jumping into the process. I'm surprised they could do that.

I thought that just the network television has gotten a lot more strict on what they can and cannot do on these shows for like legal purposes. So I'm surprised that that can still exist. But it must be safe. I mean, I guess so Probably just as dangerous as getting into a car Yeah, well, yeah, probably a lot less I would imagine I hope so

But yeah, Tasha and Colton They have a connection I think he's into her As you mentioned last week, Ashley You can really tell who Colton's into and who he's not If there's one thing he's doing I don't know if it's a bad or good thing It's just you can really read who he's into

Yeah, I agree Well, I think it's fun for the audience Yeah, he's genuine You know what even? It seems genuine. He's really into her. Then let's see. What else do we have in this episode? The group date was like the biggest group date ever. And of course, Hannah was sad because that meant that Kaelin was going to go on the one-on-one.

This is where a lot of the drama between Courtney and Demi happened. I have to say that while Demi is annoying and presents herself very young, I thought Courtney was really condescending in this. episode the scene in the episode and she Courtney like she how do I wear this there is a method to getting time with the bachelor during group dates and if you want time and you fight for time you get time the whole playing hard to get thing does not work when it comes to the bachelor we saw this with Chris Redone during Becca's season who wanted to be pursued by Becca no the cast has to pursue the lead in this case correct there's 20 plus people like you don't have time to play hard to get and honestly just to be clear I have I bet Colton had no clue that

he even had not talked to Courtney yeah you're so in it you're tired of talking to people there's so what's going on. There's emotions involved. There's deep conversations involved. You're, you're just tired in general. You're not, it's very rare. I think at the end of the night, most of the time, you know, the bachelor, bachelor, we'll sit back and be like, okay, who did I talk tonight? Who did I not talk to tonight? Was there any weird conversations I have? And that's what you start to analyze it. But by then it's too late. So, yeah, I was just kind of turned off by Courtney's attitude towards the whole situation. She was very complaining. But Demi

Demi isn't polarizing but she's a pest Now people like I think she'll continue to build this character I think she will be polarizing But isn't it interesting that For lack of a better term She is the villain of the season And we don't like talk about her that often

But that's truly because lack of a better term We don't really she's not there's not a true villain in this season No She's just very opinionated She states her mind she's blunt And the way she speaks drives me nuts. But here's a crazy part. And you always get this with the villains or the people that are more controversial from the seasons.

I was looking last night on Twitter. And Bachelor contestants really liked Demi. They respect her for the way that she stands up to herself. They respect her for her just like completely open attitude. I don't think it's great for the process of finding love. Like I think she's going to burn too many bridges and people are going to be like, are you this is ridiculous but i think former contestants are saying she's doing something that nobody else has ever done yeah did you see how chummy it looked like she and hannah were

during the road ceremony i didn't see this oh yeah her arm was around her Hannah was really snuggly with demi i uh let's move on then so we got the cordy demi situation uh demi it continues to be demi she continues to call people out and and then we get this uh moment where hannah and Caitlin speak. It's weird, Ben. It is weird. I want to pause and say, what is your, I think both women have a history that we still, we'll never know. Like, there's something that they still just touch on this like, hey, I'm sorry that there's been pain in our past. I don't know what that pain is when it comes to their friendship. But yeah, Ashley, I want to hear where you think. That was weird, right? It was so weird. And I would say it would have to do with.

Kaelin coming out with her sexual assault story. But producers knew about that going into the season. And I say this only because she was very outspoken about it during her run for Miss USA. So it's interesting if they were trying to change Kaylin's narrative for the season to wrap it up like that. I could see them wanting to be like, okay, no. Caitlin's going to be a more sympathetic character we don't want her wrapped up in this

pageant drama you understand I'm tracking yeah so you're saying that this Hannah Kalen situation just seemed to be non-important anymore when it came to what Kaylin was about to tell Colton I think so I think that might be the truth but I also think that it was a weird way of wrapping it up knowing that the story would be revealed at some point so I'm just curious to whether they just decided to take a break for this episode or the or the drama resumes in the weeks to come i think it's done i think it's i think it's done too that was the general vibe they didn't they didn't show anything in scenes to the next episode but why would they make it such a thing and such a vague thing to just wrap it up like that here's my theory

I think there are stories in this season that are a lot bigger and more compelling than two people arguing about something that they obviously weren't opening up about. We were never going to find out what happened to Hannah and Kalin in their past to make them no longer be friends. We're never going to know that. And so as a result, I think it just got tiring. Like I was tired of hearing the two of them bicker. I was obsessed with it. I was completely compelled, but I think I was so compelled

because the vagueness of the scenario. I was like, I just need to know what spurred this on. But now that Kailen has come out about her story, I agree that it's just too, it's just a much more important things to talk about than the pageant drama. It's, you know what it kind of reminds me of?

I was thinking back here, when was the last time on The Bachelor, Bachelor, that we've had two top contenders because they're both like very their top contestants on this season i think they're both into colton colton's into both of them that there's been this much like drama behind him and i was going to say sean and nick yeah probably right i mean sean and nick are the two that stand out the most is just they just didn't like each other they weren't going to get along there was no way they're going to get along and they were never really okay with it because it was still a conversation that

would happen a lot but this is more once in a lifetime because they knew they both knew each other before the show. Yeah, yeah, this is unique. What about Wabooam and what's his name last a couple seasons ago? Yeah, but they weren't top contenders. No, no, no. But they both knew each other

and came in with drama. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, I don't even remember their names. I don't remember the other guy. Wait, what, Blake? Oh, good, Eason, do you just remember that from the top of your head? Easton's a secret, like, Bachelor Nation.

That's awesome that you remembered that. Yeah, he's never missed an episode. All right. But bottom line is I'm still confused. I think it's because Katelyn has a lot of other things to be talking about. But I think it was a weird way to end the feud. It's super weird. There was the main focus on the past two episodes.

And then it was just like, okay, we're just going to sit down, have another vague conversation, and be cordial. Mm-mm. Nope. Yeah. Out of nowhere. Like, it really was. Like, out of nowhere, all right, let's fix it done. Okay, move on.

Well, all right. Well, that sounds great. I can see Kalin being over it now after that conversation, but I can't see Hannah dropping it. We'll have to wait and see. It will be a storyline to see how it plays out. We've talked about Kalin at the beginning of the podcast. Her one-on-one date with Colton was captivating, compelling,

and vulnerable and raw. And once again, because we're not going to dive deep into, what was shared necessarily during that date. Again, we've talked about it earlier. I do want to take some time and point out that if you are a survivor, if you are somebody at any level, or if you know somebody that is a survivor, please pass this message. There's rain.org.

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She's a frontrunner. Yeah. That's what I was going to ask you. Is she your number one? Right now. Yeah. Interesting. I think she is too because you know who I had as my number ones going into this week?

I was kind of thinking about this. Who? Hannah G. Hannah G. And Cassie. But Cassie and Colton's deal is just weird to me right now. Like I don't get it. I know that she hasn't been around a lot.

That's a typical thing for, you know, kind of a real frontrunner as well. But they had a couple interactions on this episode, and I just don't see it. I feel like either Colton is just so smitten that he's awkward. I thought Colton was going to be a lot more awkward as The Bachelor than he's been, but he gets awkward with Cassie. Really gets awkward.

He did with the whole brother-sister joke. It went a little far, but I think it was awkward. I like you awkward, and I don't know how to handle myself awkward. Yeah, no, I think it's exactly that. So I still think she's up there. But their chemistry or their flow is not even close to where Kailen's at.

Oh, no, no, no. That's why I think that Kailen surpass everyone because they got so vulnerable. He is like, he looks at her with hearts in his eyes, for sure. And then when I saw his interaction with Hanna G. afterward on the bed and all that, I was like, I don't feel it as much as I felt him with Kailen five minutes ago. was that awkward for you to watch the bed thing yeah a little bit it was weird it was weird there's like everything was okay until like there's one moment where like reaches over and like pulls her on top and I was like what am I about to watch I know right they would have never

shown that with another bachelor no but with Colton like they did like a side angle and you can see his face and he's still like smiling like a little boy and you're like all right this is innocent like there's this is fine then making the bed afterward just straighting it up I just it was just something I just I didn't have an easy I never have an easy time watching people like make out obviously like especially on a reality show when it's like friends of yours

or people that you know but that one was weird that one that one got me a little bit Hannah G still frowner so Ashley before we move on to the eliminations after this week's episode can you give me your top three

I'm still going to go with Hannah G K Lynn and I mean I would throw Cassie in there but she's had so little time and it's weird how little time she's had yeah she seems I also feel like Cassie may be like really shy like she doesn't really know how to pursue a guy which is I think totally normal yeah I'd say that's my top three as well write us at Ben and Ashley at iHeartMedia.com for your top threes or tweet us And make sure you hashtag almost famous podcast.

So the two people that went home this week were Tracy and Courtney kind of expected both, not shockers. Are you good with it? It was only Tracy and Courtney. There was not one other. That's so weird. Small elimination week. Not surprised by either. No, he did not like the negative vibes that he got from Courtney because even though she may not have been a cancer.

I think that she didn't have like positive fun Colton vibes and then Tracy they just never had chemistry no no no it was time to go so uh ash we only have a few minutes left yeah we have some serious bachelor news we have a ton of bachelor news I've been so looking forward to it it's a ridiculous amount of stuff we have to talk about so far Colton's doing great um he's as innocent and as innocent can be his only criticism would be that the guy just is a little awkward sometimes around the women. But that's endearing. And we love that about him. Very endearing. I do. Yeah, we don't like the smooth operators. Those guys, we don't, speaking to smooth operators, Tanner, Tolbert, and Jade are having their second baby. Ashley, I know you know a lot more about this than I do. I found out two weeks ago and we're so happy for them. It was funny because they were trying it sounds so stupid they're trying not to conceive

at a certain like window of time because they knew that that would interfere with our wedding and let's just say that their due date is very near our wedding so it'll be interesting I don't think Jade's going to be able to attend but

and she was supposed to be a bridesmaid but Tanner is supposed to be our officiant and he is allowing himself more of a window to like keep the you know to stay inefficient jared and i still just need to figure out whether we're okay with having tanner as the efficient with a strong backup so two prepared officiants or just to go with our backup who we planned on who we had already asked to give a speech at our wedding but the backup doesn't even know whom he is yet j j lane

definitely not um yeah i i think this is something obviously celebrate it's just it does kind of like it's just a little sad i'm not sad how do you want to say this yeah let's say sad well i mean like it's fine that is fine it's we're very very happy for them they have wanted you know they've been trying for a little bit now and we're just really happy it happened it's kind of just funny the way it landed on a very close date well i'll be honest i'm mad i'm i'm I'm really pissed off because there's not many times in life that I get to spend time with Tanner and Jade. And I knew at your wedding, that was going to be one of those times. And they have to choose to get pregnant.

Like they're married. They can have sex anytime you want, just wait a few months. Like it's not that big of a deal. So for me and me selfishly, I'm not happy about it. Well, I'm sure Tanner will come because unless if she gives birth beforehand, he's going to at least be in attendance. That's good point. That's fine. We're all very sad and happy at the same time, and they feel the same way, which sounds weird, but, like, they were very stressed to tell us.

I'm sure they were. Hey, we love them very much. They've been good friends to all of us, but especially you and Jared, and I know they would love to be there. Also, a couple other Bachelor news. Ashley, I cannot wait to hear some of your thoughts on this stuff. It was Colton's birthday this week. Happy birthday, a 27-year-old baby. He's a 27-year-old baby for his birthday.

Hey, S&L did a spoof on him, the Virgin Hunk, Dolton from Turd River, Colorado. I love S&L. I just am sick of these little spruce because it's the same thing every year. The woman come up. Hey, can I steal you? Can I interrupt you? They say the same thing. And the Bachelor just sits there and goes, interesting.

That's like they just change the Bachelor's name and where he's from, and that's all they do. They could be more creative with it. I will say that. But Turd River, Colorado, pretty great. He's from Denver. so like it's not that like it's Denver's a cool city right um I got to talk about Chris Harrison and his new girlfriend Lauren Zima a friend of ours so crazy I just spent last weekend in Cancun with Lauren and we spent like 50% of the weekend with her trying to guess who her new

boyfriend was uh they've been dating for a while now but she wouldn't crack we played like 20 questions who are you dating she didn't crack Jared didn't say, Lauren, is it Chris Harrison or has this guy ever accepted a rose? And she just skimmed right by it. She's a host. You know, she knows how to think quickly on her feet. She's good. Yeah, so it's really funny. I remember a conversation I had with Lauren. We love Lauren. I think this is great. Unexpected. It feels weird to see him in pictures together, honestly, like cuddling up. But I had a conversation with her, I don't know, it's probably been a month ago maybe. And she was telling me about her new partner.

You know, she was dating somebody. She was super into it. She didn't know where it was going. But she had this like giddiness in her voice. Like you could tell she was really excited. But she doesn't break. And honestly, I was trying to think about it today. I think in that same conversation, she asked me, what's your thoughts on Chris?

Like Chris Harrison? Yeah, like because, you know, Chris and I think at that time had played golf. for something together and we were no she just like threw it out there and i remember that question being asked and i remember being like i love chris like he's one of the best dudes i know like he's been a great to me and he's a good guy and i think she did that in her little sneaky way um to get some not some dirt i think she knows him but anyways where do you think this is going is this like is it serious i wanted to be serious so bad they're so sexy together yeah they are they are I like it. I like it. And I love how happy she was. She couldn't stop gushing about

whoever her boyfriend was. That's so good to hear. She just talked about how good she fell and she had never felt that before. Happy for them. This is awesome. I bet we're going to see him out a lot now. No hiating it. They're all over the news. Also, five year anniversary for Sean and Catherine. Bachelor Nations, one of Bachelor Nations, favorite couples. They celebrated five years since their wedding and what shan is now one of three people uh three bachelors to marry somebody from their season right you three bachelors that's right and the only one to marry his winner um good point wow that's that's not that's good point hey uh i got to hear what you think of bibiana slamming peter cross peter continues to pop up uh people love peter but people also feel like he uh he's got some

some skeletons in the closet. I think we need to bring Bibby on on to explain herself. I think so too. I don't really want to speak on her behalf. All we know is from a couple tweets, Bibby said that when Peter came to visit Miami and that picture was taking to them at the heat game, that he stayed at her apartment for four nights

and then ended up leaving without saying goodbye and without saying thank you. And she never heard from him again, kind of like he was using her. for a hotel? We've got to check in with Bibby, but you're spot on. That's exactly how the tweets read, and that's what my take was. And it became very, very captivating controversial, and it spread like wildfire amongst

the public. So here's the update. We're going to bring Bibby on if she wants to talk about it, hear from her, and here exactly went down. Finally, this guy, he continues to, speaking of pests, the pest, the pest that has been love that's been in our podcast and been great to us but one that has continued to be captivating but been quiet recently chad johnson um maybe one of the most famous villains uh wears a shirt that says f you chris harrison is he selling these shirts like what is he doing well he's making

a headline that's what he's doing and it's a little bit funny because that's what he said on his season famously infamously but he's been gone for so long now and and i mean i mean i I get it. Like, you and I still make a living on this show, but why do a, why do a t-shirt? I mean, I guess. We're trying. But he, rumor is he's dating Kendra Wilkinson, who I remember watching, like, in high school during that, like, uh, there was a show with Hugh Hefter and stuff.

Um, is this a, is this a real thing? It looks like it because I saw- He responded, though, sort of vaguely. Well, they were holding hands outside of a restaurant. So that makes it seem like they went on a day and they were into each other enough to hold it. hands it's it's interesting to me is this this feels like a good couple right yeah i mean that's like that's quite the reality star couple it really oh i'm looking at the picture now that's definitely a couple i'm looking at the picture now a hundred percent like they're something's happening they're smiling holding hands dancing on tmc it's yes yeah that doesn't look like

a first date thing that looks like a dating thing that's a dating thing chad i'm going to say it now unless they want to correct us chad johnson and kindra wilkinson look like they're dating she's saying she's saying no she said it in a little bit of a salty way that so maybe it has already gone south i'll just read it okay she posted a photo of herself with her friend and wrote we had a lot to catch up on after about two days of her being m ia filled her in about these recent annoying rumors and how my vagina is still very closed up anyways beautiful day with my love always a breath of fresh air so maybe they're not sleeping together um i don't know what's happening uh kendra i don't think has really been seen out with anybody significant since she broke up with hank basket yeah she i grew up i grew up

with kinder wilkinson i mean she was she was a big time star back back in the day sure she is still is but um yeah We'll see. We'll listen to her. She is a very sweet girl. All right. And I'm dying to have Bibby on the podcast next week to clarify the Peter Rumors. I can know. I just sent her text from all of us. Oh, she also just debuted her new boyfriend this week on the gram.

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