The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Justin Time

Episode Date: August 10, 2021

Ben and Ashley are getting all the tea from Katie’s runner up Justin Glaze! He’s spilling EVERYTHING about some intimate moments with Katie that we never saw. Find out why things might have gone totally different if not for the Fantasy Suites! And Justin reveals the REAL reason why we won’t see him in Paradise. Plus, could Jennifer Aniston be the next host of The Bachelor?? Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Answer, a new podcast called Wisecrack, where a comedian finds himself at the center of a chilling true crime story. Does anyone know what show they've come to see? It's a story. It's about the scariest night of my life. this is wisecrack available now listen to wisecrack on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts this is the ben and ashley i almost famous podcast with iheart radio hello everyone welcome to the almost famous after the final rose show uh we have so much a breakdown and we're going to do it all with the runner up of the hour Justin Glaze. He's special and he's going to have a lot of stuff to share. I mean, we're not going to take it easy on them.

We got to find out the tea. We got to find out the juice. We got to figure out what in the world is going on behind the scenes of this show this season because last night was anything, but it was just what? Like, there was just nothing about it that did not shock me,

make me confused, and also make me cringe. Do you agree, Ash? There's a lot of ups and downs. It was like, I'm feeling good. Oh, I'm feeling bad again. Oh, what are we going on? What's going on? Hold up.

We got to say congratulations to Blake and Katie. You know what? It was a wild episode of a lot of up and down, but congratulations of the couple. They seemed very happy last night. And that's something to celebrate. That was very sweet when he had the boom boxes come out. That was a nice little romantic gesture. That was a great way to leave off the episode and have us feeling really good about their relationship.

Yeah. special uh jesska didn't get it she watched last night with me for the first time this season and uh she's like kind of piqued her head in at times when i'm watching but this was like her first sit down with me and watch the whole thing and so the boom boxes came out she's like i don't get it and i was like honey you just haven't been around enough all right well we are lucky enough to get just on the podcast uh we haven't you know a lot of you have been talking about how you feel like you haven't known him a runner up that you just that you know only had one one on one didn't have a ton of screen time so today you're going to get to know him better so let's get justin on the line

Justin I feel like you um have probably gotten a lot of annoying comments the past week or two about like oh it's obviously not jason like he has no chemistry no connection with katie and you kind of brush over that in the live episode yesterday where you said there's a lot of things that you didn't that the audience didn't get to see with you and Katie. So how annoying has it been that you've been like this dark horse that nobody really believes in? Yeah. I mean, it's it's one of those things where like when you're in this environment and you're placed on a show like this, like you have to have thick skin or you're not going to survive. Right. So I don't really listen to the noise

too much it's impossible not to see it and hear it right like it's everywhere um and it's i mean it can be frustrating for sure but it's it's just one of those things where like you literally like can't defend yourself or say anything so like i would just kind of like humorously like retweet some of these funny memes and just kind of brush over it but the whole time i'm just there like you know these people aren't in the house they don't know what's going on you know um they don't know the relationship that i had with katy um and to me what matters more is is is when I know, you know, happen and what I felt and what Katie knows happened and what she felt and everyone else I was watching, you know, they weren't there, you know, and it's, it's easy

to kind of look at like a lack of screen time or kind of just like latch on to like what's funny and trending. And I get it and it's cool. But you know, I kind of just sat back and hopefully over time people can see my personality and realize, you know, I was there for a reason. the interesting thing justin and i and i saw it last night and i think it is like the common joke and you've obviously seen the memes and things like were you shocked at all by still being there and if not then why were you expecting to be there what didn't we see in your relationship that made you confident that you could be there at the end yeah no no part of me doubted that I would be there through hometowns.

Where I did get a little skeptical was after that, after, you know, as I said last night, after Greg and Michael left, just kind of watching those relationships unfold and seeing, you know, how broken Katie was over those. You know, in their moment, I remember, you know, talking to the producers and saying, hey, guys, like, I, you know,

I'm kind of torn because, yeah, I'm one step closer to being with her, but, you know, anything that I've had in life, you know, I've worked for and it's, it's much more gratifying when you feel like you've earned it, right? And like I told her, it would have meant that much for if she handed me that rose, but I felt like I was there by default. And so I guess to answer your question, what wasn't seen, you know, I saw people kind of making fun of during my hometown's one part where I said, you know, there's nothing missing from my relationship. You know, there are, there were a lot of things that were cut up that I was surprised were cut out. You know, Katie and I had a constant banter back and forth. We had a very similar sense of humor. We were always laughing, you know, on camera, off camera, um, keeping each other going, keeping our spirits high. You know, the physical connection was there. Um, from my wedding date, everyone saw the, the dry part, you know, where I had to like come up with these bows and like, yeah, it's awkward, right? Um, but there was a whole second part after that where we had like a honeymoon suite

portion of the day where we kind of just be fun and goofy and, um, also explore like, you know, that physical side, which we got a strong connection in that facet as well. And then, you know, we also were able to, which didn't come into later in our relationship, we're able to, you know, be serious and have important, meaningful conversations with each other. Some of which were aired, as you saw during the night portion of my hometown where Katie shared, you know, something very important with her family. But, you know, I also shared things about my family that weren't aired. So we had that trust in that connection as well.

yesterday during a live show you said that you felt like you didn't get enough time you're kind of like cheated out of time with her what were you referring to in that moment like you didn't get a full enough chance you said oh right yes so I was referring to the Fantasy Sweet Day

so you would have wanted it even after what went down with Blake before you no you know I told her it's tough right i told her that i i certainly respect that she was honest with me and let me know how she was feeling and didn't waste my time right i guess where i was coming from is and and it wasn't up to me but i was curious you know let's say the roles were reversed the order was switched and i had gone before blake you know what could that whole day potentially night done for us

you know then where she could have had you know blake for the whole day whole night then kind of, you know, see where each relationship was after that because, you know, one of the things I asked her in that moment was, hey, I totally respect that, you know, and I thank you. One question I have is, you know, was there any, because my hometown was just a few days before that? And I said, you know, was there any point throughout this journey where you started to realize, okay, I'm gravitating towards Blake. And she said, no, it literally was not. And she told me it was not until that prior night that night before she said up until this morning i wanted to go throughout this day with you she said it wasn't until last night where i had that moment of clarity

and i knew okay i can see how that lingers with you yeah so that you know and again i'm the type of guy where i'm like just you know shoot it to me straight to be honest and i and i can live with that i can take that right and if she had said you know yeah at a certain point you know i've i've been leaning towards you know these relationships and it's like okay cool i see how i wouldn't have our relationship wasn't, you know, as strong as it, you know, needed to be. But, you know, just when I hear that it wasn't until the night before, it just leaves you thinking, okay, well, you know, if I went first, you know, could we have gone? And I'll never know. But that's where I was coming from. We obviously saw you pretty torn up last night. And it makes sense to why. But what about when

you're sitting in that moment with her on the couch? Why did those emotions run deep? especially after kind of seeing how Blake and Katie's relationship had progressed. Yeah, it's tough because, you know, when you watch everything back, it's just, you know, you literally go back to that moment in time, like, on the steps of the gazebo, and I'm like, I know exactly how I was feeling, like about the whole situation, right? And I'm the type of guy where I don't really put myself out there for too many people, and I know how much of myself I'm poor.

into this and you know like I said to just relive that moment of it coming to that screeching halt was tough you know because and I'm not and I don't regret a single thing you know if I could do it all over again I would do it the exact same way but it's just you know it sucks you know giving so much of yourself and to not um yeah and to not you know end up the way you wanted to it's a tough pill to swallow. So you wanted, we obviously watched and it's not that interesting here to talk about other relations. We watched the difficulty when you pick out a ring.

If that would have been you, you were confident that Katie was somebody that you wanted to spend your life with. I told, I told her, I told, you know, production the whole way. I said, I can see myself. And I know people talk about how short amount of time, in the real world it is, but you guys know how expedited this is and how much the time means and how quickly things can kind of elevate feelings-wise, right? And coming off that hometown, I knew where I was with Katie, and I said, okay, we have

the same level, if not more of a fantasy suite date, night, where I can, you know, ask some questions that off camera that I need, you know, and I said, yeah, you know, we can get there in my eyes, right? Now, looking back and seeing her other relationships, you know, yeah, I'm not naive. Like, there's probably no chance, right? Like, she was, she was further along with some of those relationships. So, you know, everything happens for a reason and things ended the way they were supposed to. So I can live with that.

Your parents have been together for 30 years, but they didn't quite believe that you could get there. as quickly as you feel like you can get there while on the show. Did it hurt to not have their support when it came down to hometowns? And did they have any regrets for not showing up for you? Yeah, so I'm glad you asked. I do want to clarify one thing. I have two extremely loving, caring, and supportive parents. And I think it's so easy,

again for people who are just watching to lose such fact of one, we're in the middle of a pandemic. Not if one wants to fly to New Mexico and two have to quarantine for over a week and take off of work.

Not everyone is able to do that. And that's my parents and my brother. And not everyone is comfortable being televised on national television. So these are all important factors to consider. And people can say what they want about me. That's one thing. you know, it doesn't upset me to hear people who don't know me or my family jump to conclusions

about their lack of support. You know, one thing that I've always appreciated about my parents is their honesty and they'll always give me their honest opinion and that tough love. And that's exactly what it was. You know, they're not going to sugarcoat anything. They're going to speak their mind and tell me exactly how they feel. And that's real. That's the realness. And that's where I get it from. And I wouldn't want it any other way. And to be honest, I didn't expect them to, that's exactly what I expected, you know, from them. But I know my parents. And if that's, if things had worked out where I was with Katie, you know, I told her, you know, that their lack of showing up was not reflective of their disapproval for her or anything like that. You know, I wanted to make that clear

to her. And if I brought her back to Baltimore, I'm sure they would have saw everything that I saw in her and they would have supported it. Justin, one question. We're going to take a break here in just a second take a breathing and come back but one question before we do to kind of lighten up the mood and switch gears for just a second uh your facial expressions did you know you had them did you know they were so amazing uh and did you know that they would become the talk of everything you were my favorite character for multiple reasons you're a good dude but also because i just liked watching you uh and then laughing at everything that your face was saying yeah um All right. So first question. I was aware that I was expressive. Growing up, I've always been told like, oh, my God, you have such an expressive face. You know, you wear your expressions on your face. And I'm just, I never thought of anything of it. I'm like, oh, it's just me. Like I've never seen myself on TV. I don't look in the mirror when I tell you. I mean, I just, I just, I just, this is me. I just do me. Right. And so watching back on TV, I'm like, you know, first episode, I'm like, damn. I'm like, all right. Like, you know, I see what people are.

talking about now. And then when it picked up, I was like, oh, my God. Like, I am not, like, my face is out of control? And it's crazy because some people are like, is he just doing it for the cameras? But all my friends and family, it texts me like, yo, this is you to 8. Like, we've been telling you this for years. And I'm like, you guys didn't tell me I was like this. Like, I look nuts. But no, it's funny. Like I, so where it came, like, I was also the type of guy where I was like, I'm not coming in this house to start new drama. I'm not going to stick my nose in any genre that doesn't involve me. So I'm more of that, like, if anything, I'm like that hermit, the frog meme with a

tea, like, I'm just sit in my corner and watch y'all act up and, you know, and react, I guess. You're like, I'm going to watch, not say anything, but say exactly what I'm saying through my face, which is the best way of doing it for us. It's so much safer. It's so much safer. Yeah, right. Stay out of it, but still stay in it. Yeah, good for you, Justin.

Well, hey, let's take a break here. come back with Justin talk a lot more about this season of The Bachelor at his experience. And then also, if he's upset, he's not going to Paradise. We'll be back with the Almost Famous Podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast.

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or wherever you get your podcast. Justin, let's not talk about you for a second. Let's talk about Greg. How close were you to him in the house and were you surprised at what went down? Yeah, Greg. Greg is one of my absolute best friends, not only in the house, but outside of

the house that like in the real world like we're still like that's one of my best friends um and so i was extremely surprised um and shocker i can't hide it you know when kately told us i'm like what like say that again like because you know you try your best not to think about the other relationships but i mean you see the date cards get passed out the one of ones there's there's no secret that everyone saw Greg as kind of a frontrunner, right? And to see, to see it in that way was just totally, totally unexpected. Yeah. I mean, how do you interpret what happened? Because it's like 50-50 amongst like the Bachelor Nation audience. I did a poll. It was like, do you think this is a reaction from past trauma? Or do you think this is him gaslighting and trying to gather a situation by turning

it on its head basically and like blaming her for like what he's feeling how what do you think happened in his head yeah i've um you know i've tried to look at it from both lenses um and you know just knowing the type of guy that gregg is um he's he's a really good dude and he is a passionate guy and i think that that he was so invested in that relationship. And I can't blame him quite honestly. Like if I were Greg and I poured my heart out like that and received essentially nothing, when I'm at a point where I'm considering getting down on one knee,

I'd be questioning a whole hell of a lot as well. And knowing myself, you know, and how I've reacted to things in the past that haven't been the greatest, you know, I can't say that I, you know, would have, you know, there's no script to this where people don't, a lot of people don't realize, you know, you act off of emotion, you act in the moment and sometimes you say and do things that you may regret, right? And I think the combination of not getting the validation that he may have been looking for coupled with, yeah, maybe not being fully healed from the trauma of the passing of

his dad, right? And kind of pairing that with the high intensity and stress of this environment may have caused him to handle things in a way that I'm sure he would look back and say, okay, I could have done that differently. On the flip side, I'm sure Katie also looks at, you know, a lot of how this has gone down, you know, not only that situation in terms of, you know, I'm sure she would have given them a little bit more there, right? But then also, last night after the final rose, I'm sure there's a lot of things that they would both do differently to have a conversation and not kind of turn it into this, this yelling match that, you know, that it unfortunately turned into. Emotions were high last night. It was one of the, it was actually one of the hardest segments I've

ever watched from the show just like feeling like we always talk about it just and there's moments on the show where you feel like you shouldn't be there in the room like I'm not I should not be invited in this and last night I feel like that like they had a lot to hash out and there's a lot of passion behind that conversation a lot of hurt and a lot of pain and it's interesting um because your conversation with Katie went so just was so much different and I know we could highlight some of the reasons why but what about the conversation with Greg like why was that one so heated and yours felt so calm and collected and like almost just it was healing but it was like almost just more emotional yeah well i um you know obviously cannot speak for gregg or katy in terms of

the level of emotion um and i guess you know animosity or whatever you want to call it that that they may have had towards each other with the manner in which things ended i think you know it all stems back from how it ended on the show, right? You know, the conversation between Katie and I ended in a calm manner, right? So you look at AFR, our closure, conversation, whatever you want to call it, was also calm. You look at the way things with her and Greg ended on the show, not calm, and then AFR, also not calm. And I think, you know, when you leave the show and you don't, we don't talk to Katie, right? So they haven't had a chance to kind of talk off the record and hash things out and, you know, kind of there's no game planning how you want to go into it.

You know, you kind of, as much as you think you've left the emotion that you had, you know, back in in Albuquerque, you know, when you're on the internet and, you know, you're watching the episodes play back and, you know, your backstage, all those same emotions come back. and I think that's what led to what we saw last night, unfortunately. Do you think it's fair for me to say that what Greg really wanted Katie to do and the only thing that was going to satisfy him in that moment was to say, okay, I'm going to leave with you. Like, you're the one I'm going to end this right now for you. I don't think he wanted her. I mean, anyone who goes in the show kind of knows how it is, right?

But he seemed angry at the fact that she was playing The Bachelor at roll last night? Yeah, I think he's coming from a point where he's upset. Like, he doesn't want to hear when you, when you are that late in this process and you're considering marrying somebody, you don't want to hear somebody tell your mother, he has a rose next week. He's number one on my list.

You know, it's not about where you rank with other guys. It's like, okay, like, do you see a future with me or not? And hear what I'm telling you about how I feel about you and give me something. And I know a lot of people were like, well, he got the first impression rose. He got, you know, validation every week. And like, again, it's easy for people who aren't in that environment to understand that. But I know the conversations that I needed to have with 80 to feel confident enough to get down on one knee. And if I were Greg and I spilled my heart out like that and got nothing in return, I don't know how that would have changed my feelings.

I don't know. And, you know, I'm not Greg, so I can't validate or invalidate his feelings. Like I said, I've looked at it from both lenses and I can see the right and wrong on both sides. 100%. I'm 100%. I think, like I said, I think there's things that they both, you know, wish they could have done differently. So to be able to get down on one knee, you had to have some conversations. And so if we were to, if we were just directly asking, by the way, side note,

Jessica watched her very first episode last night of the season and your last hour, outfit the white shirt with the like sweater coat she loved it she said it was incredible she said that looks so good so you should just know that um but you gotta let go when you're about to get done yeah that's hey that is that is a strategy at least had that strategy a few years ago um well jessam i'm going to ask you then um after all this has played out you sit here today you've had some time to think you've had some time to heal if i were to ask you right now do you believe that you're ready to propose to katy Do you believe that you would have done it?

What would your answer be? Are you asking me now? Are you asking me how I felt that? After processing through everything, from how you felt then to watching everything played out, do you believe that would have one been the right decision and two, were you ready for it then? Was I ready for it then?

Yes. Would it have been the right decision? Looking back now and now. Going off of that, you know, we see Blake, kind of two things. here one how would you feel if you were blake and a week or not even a week like a day two days earlier your fiance said that somebody else was number one hmm that's a good question uh no that's a very valid question and um yeah i think uh you know i've heard tasha speak on it you know in terms of

watching everything back to zach and i'm sure with any couple you know that ends up in a proposal it's hard to watch back and see all the relationships but this scenario specifically i'm sure it was very tough i would imagine it was tough for blake to see um because i know how i felt watching everything back, you know, feeling like I was potentially, you know, kind of just there by default. I can't imagine seeing the same reaction, um, with Greg and Michael and then ultimately being the one that ends up with her, right? Like, um, I know I just said a little moment ago, this, um, this exited timeline is, is one that only people that go through this experience can relate to, but even that seems, you know, like a very expedited timeline in terms

of, you know, potentially wanting to book the flight and go home to then, you know, a few days later, you know, confessing love. Again, I'm not Blake, I'm not Katie. Who am I to, you know, give my stamp of approval or give my validation for how quickly her feelings can change and where her heart lies all I can go off of

is what she says and what we saw on TV and that's that but if I was Blake it would probably be pretty tough to watch I understand that I understand the different emotions

I understand obviously staying open to relationships and having feelings from multiple people I don't question that. I think, yeah, the big thing that maybe one day when we talked to Katie, the answer, the question is like, hey, you're ready to go home. Like, you're ready just to throw in the towel and say, I'm done with this whole thing.

And then a few days later, that's where things get a little different where I can't necessarily relate from my experience is like I was never ready to give up. If anything, I was overwhelmed by the enormous emotions I was feeling and trying to decipher through that. So that is an interesting question and an interesting point. Now, for as much as Ashley and I can relate with your experience, there's moments, and there's things about this season that we can't relate with, right? We had a whole different host, and you had two mentors on your season, Caitlin and Tasia. What was that? Like, how would you explain their kind of interaction with the men?

Did they come in and check on you? Did you have a close relationship with them? You know, I know with Chris, when he was a part of the show, the contestants, at least when we got down to the final few, we got fairly close. He would check it on us, mentor us, talk to us. Did you have that with Caitlin and Tasia? Yeah, they would come in and talk to us. You know, they were always there, willing to, you know, have conversations with us,

kind of, you know, one-off in a group setting, you know, field any questions, you know, whatever it may be. The bulk of their time was obviously spent with Katie. And I think, you know, even. watching it back, I think that they have a perspective that is very unique and valued for the show that they were obviously able to offer Katie. You know, I don't know anything about Chris, but I don't sort of been able to navigate the whole sitting on the bathroom floor conversation with Katie, you know, so you look at moments

like that and you see how they were able to add so much value. to this um to this season and and i'm sure they'll do the same thing with michelle and whatever's beyond um but i've had nothing but fantastic interactions with both kately and tasha they've always been extremely kind and supportive um and there so i i've got nothing but great things to say about them i think they did a fantastic job and even post you know post show um you know they've they've checked in with me you know we've talked and um so it's not just like uh you know from what i've seen is you know, they weren't there, you know, just as hosts and then, you know, that's it. You know, I still have, you know, somewhat of a relationship with him after the show,

which I didn't expect, which has been incredible and I appreciate them for it. So one of my issues with last night was that, like, we were coming off the low of Greg. Then she recovers and, like, falls in love, you know, expresses her love for Blake and it feels like a happily ever after. but then they bring us low again with like 20 minutes of concentrating on Blake Blake's hesitance towards proposing and then when it

got to the proposal to me it felt like he was so hesitant it almost felt like he was just giving into the pressure and it wasn't necessarily what he wanted to do what was your take on Blake's decision to propose um

yeah Yeah. I mean, Blake, you know, I will say, you know, from the second Blake came in, it did feel like his objective, you know, was to, you know, make it to the end and, you know, propose to Katie. You know, he's very close with Brendan from the house and Brendan, you know, because, you know, some of the guys who are, of course, skeptical, you know, Blake coming halfway through. and Brendan, you know, was kind of the guy to reassure everyone, you know, even back home, he's, you know, he always talked to highly if Katie, you know. They knew each other. Yeah, they, yeah, they grew up together. So they knew each other. Did, like, help Brendan get on the show?

I don't know. I don't know about that. But I think he did know Brendan was going to go on. And it's weird, right? Because I think about my friends and, like, in the real world, like, Like, if one of my friends pulled up on me when I'm trying to date a girl, I'm, you know, like, you know, but I guess it's, you know, I mean, I asked Blake early on just, you know, out of curiosity, you know, I, you know, I love Brandon, you know, and I know he wouldn't vouch for Blake. And Blake's a good guy. And, you know, one of the questions I had was, you know, if you were that interested, just out of curiosity, why not tried to. to date her, you know, in real life and, you know, why come on the show. And Katie had actually come in.

I think they showed it. She came in and told us, you know, when she decided to keep Blake, she said that, you know, he DMed her after her season just to kind of congratulate or whatever. And she said she wasn't interested in him, you know, whatsoever. But, you know, he ended up being there. And we know how to all votes. But, you know, back to your question. I, yeah, I mean, I think that.

that was Blake's objective from the jump to, to, to, to propose. I think it's a scary moment for anyone, you know, I've, I've never experienced that. But if I feel like even if I were dating somebody for five years and I was picking out rings, like, I'd probably, you know, come pretty close to me myself. Just like, you know, this is like, you know, this is, it's a, it's a, it's a huge moment in your life, you know, like you are about to get down on one knee and ask someone to marry you and spend the rest of your life with them. It's a scary moment. um so i can't blame him for coming off as nervous or hesitant you know it's not something you're just kind of doing a whim and say oh like let's just do it and see what happens you know

at least that's not how i would approach it it's a big moment he seemed really nervous it seemed like a lot was going through his head and i was you know and watch and ashley's right like watching the show last night the emotions even from the viewer was odd because like we have her wanting to leave into you know ending things with you to after she falls in love with Blake and then a day or two days later he's proposing to her and it was and he's nervous about it it's like this feels like a lot for like a week's time like it just feels heavy it feels like too much is happening so quickly I actually didn't think they were going to get he said a weird thing and you guys like Justin if you could put on your hosting cap here for a second we picked

up on something weird at the proposal, or he goes, I can't give you what you want or something like that. Which is the world. Yeah. You deserve more like the world, something like he said, I can't give you what you want because you. You deserve the world.

Because you deserve the world. And I was like, I don't know what that means. I think that was his really bad attempt of like doing that switcheroo where it's like the girl supposed to be disappointed for a second. And then all the sudden it's like the greatest news of her life. You know, you know, like, I feel like As, yeah, the pivot.

As I watched that, I was like, as I watched that, I was like, I feel like he's trying to like pump faker, but it didn't come off right. Like, it was weird. Yeah. He like pump faked all of us. Yeah, yeah. Got me off my feet.

I was off my feet. Like when I watched it, I was like, oh, he's not going to do it. Mm-hmm. Like, and just because, like, yeah, the whole buildup of like, you know, Katie's like, you know, she's supposed her heart. you're like yeah okay okay and then blake you know he just just like this long pause and then yeah he says i can't give you what you want i'm like well there's no way to come back from that right like if you can't give what she wants yeah it was so weird yeah i think i see what he was trying to do but i mean

blake uh you know blake he's he's he's a good dude but you know guy might not be the smoothest it was it was we watched it and just goes what wait he's not going to do it like that she's like what what is this show she doesn't watch very often but when she does she gets into a little bit um it just and just to find a couple questions for you here one is uh i'm going to ask you two back to back one uh are you gonna are we going to see you on michelle's season because we saw how it worked out with blake uh coming back on to katy season the second is are you interested in being the bachelor oh my goodness Um, are you going to see me on Michelle season? Don't hold your breath. Don't hold your breath. Don't hold your breath. Um, yeah, it's, it is a lot. That, that process is a lot to go through. Um, you know, and I, yeah, it's a lot. Um, and your second question, do I want to be the bachelor? Are you interested? Not do you want to be? Because that's obviously from this season. That seems like a bad question nowadays. Are you interested? Are you interested?

I don't know. You know, I've been asked, and this is my honest answer. I really don't know because I can see, obviously, as tough as it was for me as a contestant to go through this whole process, you know, I can only imagine how hard, I saw how hard it was for Katie to go through this, you know, and, and, you know, I empathize with her and a lot of the things she had to, to over and I always committed her strength for it. But like, that is a, that's a tough role to play. I mean, you know, it's, it's not easy, right? And there's a lot of pressure. There's a lot of expectations. And, you know, something that I've had to come to grips with, even going through this is like, you can't make everybody happy. And that's okay. Like, not everyone's going to love you. People are always going to find something to pick out. But it's just like, for me, I don't know if that is, you know, I don't know if that's if that's the best thing for me. I don't know.

I think I need to kind of sit and process everything that has transpired, you know, and if that is an opportunity that was presented to me, I feel like it's one that I truly wouldn't even start to really, truly dig into considering unless it was actually offered to me. I wouldn't be opposed to it, but it's not something I'm like, oh, my God, I hope to call me. You know, I'm not sitting by my phone waiting for that call. So we'll see. I'm assuming, well, actually, I should not assume anything.

Did they ask you to do Paradise? Yeah. And now I'm assuming that you weren't ready to do it because the turnaround would have been extremely quick for you and like the emotional recovery. It would have been like a couple days. Yeah. It would have been a while. Literally.

Like, I wouldn't have even unpacked my suitcase without quick to turn right. Like, it was, it was nuts. It was way too quick of a turnaround for me. And, I mean, I'm not the type of guy. Like, I'm not trying to waste anybody's time. And, you know, I told them, like, if I go to that beach, like, I'm not ready to, with everything that I just, a couple things, right? Like, with everything that I just kind of poured out and all the time and effort that I devoted

to my relationship with Katie. I can't turn around and do that for somebody else right away. And not only that, but I think one of the cool things about Paradise is typically you know who the characters are, right? Like you know who you're looking forward to seeing. You know what most of the people are about. The girls in that beach don't know anything about me. You know, they may have seen my like ugly headshot, but like they don't know my personality. They don't know anything about me.

and I just, like, I didn't have the energy to, like, start from scratch and, like, kind of re-explain who I am when I'm about, you know? So it was just, it was too quick, and I, yeah, I wouldn't have been able to give it my best effort. And I didn't want a different version of myself, you know, to be seen because I wasn't in the right headspace to take on something like that. It looks wild. Paradise's, like, preview looked absolutely crazy.

you're going to have a blast watching your buddies make fools of themselves because they do and I've been in that seat before and it's one of the most fun viewing experiences of your life and if you're not The Bachelor, I hope to see you on Paradise One Day. To close up here, you know, Ashley always has a great job preparing these questions for you. Justin, thank you for joining us. Thank you for chatting. I appreciate you all having me. Yeah, wish you the best, the most healing. You're a good dude. You're a good catch. And I'm glad that we got to watch. on this season. Okay, I'm going to pass it off to Ashley. Thanks a lot, man. Thank you, too. Okay, so we do fun questions. Like, who's your celebrity crush? Oh, this is a tone.

My celebrity crush, people always ask me this. And, like, I've never really, I've honestly, like, never really had one, to be quite honest with you. I know, I, like, I don't, I don't, I know it's such a lame answer. It's such a lame answer. I mean, come on. You're going through a magazine. You're going through an Us Weekly.

Who are you looking at a little bit longer? Um, uh, can I come back to that one? Yes, you can come back. What's your favorite movie? Oh, law-abiding citizen. If you were to go to paradise,

which Bachelor alum would you want to see there? Yeah, I know she probably wouldn't come And I, you know, had my hesitations about going on Paradise But if there's one person that could That could make me pull up to the beach It'd be Bree Springs Oh, that's a great answer And we are so disappointed to see that she wasn't there

Her That may, you know, I may have found a little bit more energy If they told me she was going to be there interesting it was a it was a it was a past for me heard that she was hanging out with your buddy gregg in new york city platonically platonically interesting not interesting trust me yeah no i mean like i get it like you see a picture of the two of them and like at face value people jump to conclusions i mean for one breeze in a relationship but also just in it unfortunately i hope she's happy i was going to say were they trying to set

you up with her uh i mean if she wasn't in a relationship maybe uh i'm going to borrow that that a little letter from andrew west and let her know i'll be here but uh but no i uh i mean greg they both live in new york and you know when you both like it's just like you guys know how it is like you it's a network of of friends right like you talk to each other you know you live down the street from each other you're going to hang out and it wasn't just them and there was a group of friends and so you know people need to just simmer down and get my boy a break okay um who would be the guy from your season that like imagine this is like i am legend you're like the only living person in the city just trying to survive who would you want to want

wants to be by your side in that moment. Like who would get you through Armageddon? That is a fantastic question. Honestly, I think, for a couple of different reasons, I'd say Brendan. Okay. I'd say, I'd say Brendan for a couple of reasons. Brendan, uh, Brendan will definitely go to war for any of us. Um, I don't know this scenario that we would, that, where this would be beneficial.

But I feel like Brendan has, like, the best immune system out of the group with just the toxicity that he puts in his body. So I feel like he's just, like, ready for whatever. Does that mean he drinks a lot? Yeah. He's Canadian. I mean, I guess it's the Canadian. The guy can toss him back for sure.

But no, he'll go to battle for any. So I don't want to happen by my side. Plus, he's a firefighter in training. So that could be beneficial as well. Secondly, who would be the person that you'd be paired with in Armageddon, but then you'd be like, honestly, I'd rather be alone than be with you. Trey, because I feel like, not because, I mean, I love Trey death, obviously, but I feel like we would just like, we would joke around so much that we'd be so vulnerable

and not make it. You know what I mean? We'd just like, we'd have too good of a time, you know. I just, we'd lose sight of, yeah, I just think we'd be too vulnerable. Did you guys do the accents together? No. Well, so like there were a couple different accents that floated around the house. I really like the one that was on Mentel, like the very snobby British one.

Oh, that was, yes. So Greg has like a. alter ego, Gregory James, and Gregory James is a prolific poet. And I wish you guys could see this. Like, oh my God, this is so fun. Like, he would just, it would be like, what do you call it, stanzas? There would be like three line, four line, just quick hitting poems that were actually fire.

And it would be like related to like what's going on in the house. Like, and it'd be so dumb that you're like, this is actually a masterpiece. And he would never, like, you would ask me to recite the. poem. He wouldn't do it unless he was ready to do it. You would ask him to write one, and he would just be like, the time is not now. And you'd be like, okay, like, nobody ever, you don't question Gregory James. And there was one time where he's literally, we're outside. And I had been begging him to write a new poem for me, right? I was in one of the rooms. He was outside from around the corner. I just, I didn't even know he was around the corner. He's like, come now.

And I'm like, the hell. And I, I start running. I'm like, that's Gregory James. I'm like, He goes, sit and just rest and just recites this fire poem. And I'm like, and then he just drops the pen, drops the paper, flips his hair and walks off. I'm like, oh, my God. I think I like Gregory James more than I like Greg. This is the stuff we need to see on TV. I know. I wish it would have came out last night, like right in the middle of Katie just being so upset.

All of a sudden, he just totally switches course and drops like some wild poem on her. That would be good TV. That would be awesome. I would have, um, I would have died. He would have won. all the audience back with that. Oh, that was the ultimate move. You know what?

I bet you he's kicking himself that he didn't do that. That would have stunned everyone in the best way of possible. Like, standing, oh, like, he would have gotten to stand it out. And he would just, like, cross his legs and, like, twirl his, like, merlo and just, oh, it was like, it's a whole, it's a whole thing. Yeah. I love that. And I'm excited for the headlines from this podcast that get picked up.

and it's going to be Justin talks about Greg's alter ego. That's going to be a headline. That's going to be good. Say what you want about Greg, but get to know Gregory James. That's right. Okay. Well,

I could ask another rapid fire, but I feel like that is the way to end this podcast. So, Justin, thank you so much. Great rapid fire questions. Those were, those like weren't surface stuff.

Those were good. She's talented. I'm, telling you she makes money hosting and there's a reason why she's pretty good at it. Yeah, I see. Thanks, guys. Hey, Justin, thanks, buddy. All right.

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Well, now it's time for one of our favorite segments that has stayed with us for years now, and it just keeps on giving it's time for Bachelor headlines with our resident expert. Who knows all and everything about life? It's Ashley, I Kennedy. Ashley, here's the first headline waiting for you to break it down. Bachelor execs now think losing Chris Harrison was a mistake as ratings plummet without ex-host despite racism scandal. This according to Sun. Ooh, yes, this is from The Sun.

And it's all because viewership has continued to drop to a all-time, with Katie's season. She, her ratings, the Nielsen ratings, are just 3.3 to 3.8 million people watching per episode. Last year's run with Tasha and Claire averaged about 5 million. So as you can see, you don't do you a math expert, that that is a big percentage drop. And according to a source, an insider, they claim. that ABC is now concerned over losing more than a million viewers per week and that them thinking is due to letting go of the former host. The quote says ABC execs are beginning to think that losing Chris Harrison was a mistake.

They still do not condone his comments to Rachel whatsoever, but some are panicking for the direction of the show. Ratings this season are at an all-time loam. I'm not saying that's all due to. Chris, but numbers don't lie. However, the source clarified that producers do believe that Caitlin and Tasia are doing a good job as co-host.

Sure. Well, it's something we talked about. It was the risk, you know, when people were saying fire Chris Harrison, it's like, okay, hey, everybody has their opinion on that, but what is the repercussions going to be when that happens? And who knows? We don't know where the Bachelor franchise goes from here, but they're starting to talk about it. And it's a big headline.

I don't think it's often that ABC admits that maybe they possibly they made a mistake and I don't think they've done it publicly yet. So who knows. But I would agree, Tasia and Caitlin did a great job. But who knows what happens in the future? Well, look at the next headline.

Speaking of hosting, Jennifer Aniston, my celebrity crush jokes that she would gladly host a bachelor after Chris Harrison exit. Now, wait a second. Jennifer, don't joke that hard because we're going to want to take you seriously. So she was asked on whether or not she a super fan

would test out her hosting skills and follow in Chris Harrison's footsteps. She says, God, I don't know. I think they need a psychologist or a psychiatrist, not just Chris Harrison or whoever is the host now. There should be someone they can go and talk to. And then she said when people were asking whether or not she would guide the contestants in their journey,

for love she said well and to help them you know talk through their issues she said okay well i'll do that gladly i'll be the one picking roses in the rose garden okay all right can that be a segment can that be a part of a show just jennifer andison out in the rose garden picking flowers i'd watch that's hilarious uh she said the best version of the bachelor is the island bachelor in paradise so i mean that makes me feel pretty cool because that means she's she's watched me on tv and that's just the weirdest and coolest thing. And I know we've said this multiple times whenever Jennifer Anson comes up in a headline, but it doesn't stop ever being cool.

Well, and it's not unfathomable for her to maybe host a week on Paradise. I mean, we saw it this year. It's kind of after the preview, we know at least Little John and David Spade are there along with Wells. And so if they're bringing in these celebrity hosts to kind of guest host a week, why not Jennifer Aniston? I don't, I mean, seriously, Jennifer, if you are serious, we know she listens to this podcast so yeah Jennifer come on make the call well as we mentioned a little bit ago congratulations to Katie and Blake on their engagement and what seems to be they're very

happy and it feels like they've obviously been through a lot but it feels like it's made them stronger as a couple with it where this headline relates to their relationship it says Katie Thurston and Blake Moynes move on from wild couple of months as Bachelor Nation reacts to her engagement and fight with Greg. Wait, when was Blake's birthday? Because apparently she took to Instagram to say, Happy effing birthday, Honey Bear. What a wild couple months it has been.

I couldn't have done this without you. I'm so ready to leave these bubbles and start living our life. When she means bubbles, she means like the Bachelor bubble and like the fact that they've only been able to see each other in secluded locations. But yeah, his 31st birthday was holy crap, like the same day as the finale.

Who wouldn't... Wow, what a day. What a day for Katie and Blake. She said she couldn't ask for a better partner. She says you are kind, patient understanding, and your advocacy for the planet and animals is remarkable. I'm so lucky to call you my fiancé, my best friend, my confinant. We are just two weirdos laughing our way through life together.

And then, um, Caitlin said in the comments, love you guys both so much. you too have always, you guys have always been meant to be such a strong couple and can't wait to see you guys thrive together. Wow, what a day for them yesterday. That's cool. It's a big day with a lot happening. And obviously the Greg scenario did at times feel like it overshadowed the engagement. And because Greg was a big character on this season, well, we have a couple different opinions here, which are interesting to break down. Caitlin Bristow for one, the

mentor of this season, doesn't like the way that Greg treated Katie, but then we have former Bachelorette contestants and a fellow bachelor's contestant, Connor Brennan, Connor B, as we know him, he defended Greg Grypo on Twitter last night. So we have two different things going on here, Ashley, two different opinions. What are the headlines saying? Okay, so Caitlin took to Instagram and said that she's actually watched that episode. where Katie and Greg break up three times. She said she just had to digest her thoughts on it.

She goes from being on the bathroom floor, I was just thinking he poured his heart out and she didn't respond well. Now, watching back, I didn't like how he treated her. Connor defends Greg. He says on Twitter, relationships are nuanced,

breakups are nuanced. Sometimes there's not a good guy or a bad guy. Sometimes cameras and tweets can't act. can't accurately capture the complexity of real life. Kindness is free. Love is complicated. Next headline is a big one.

Greg Grippa was spotted with Bree Springs in New York City this last week, which people started rumoring about and talking about. But now we know thanks to our friend, Justin, that she's actually in a relationship. Yeah, so the headline reads, The Bachelor's Bree Springs confirms her relationship status after hanging out with Greg Gripo. But, like, definitely doesn't really, like, clarify much except because she just posted

an Instagram story of herself holding hands with a man. And apparently this man clearly isn't Greg. And she says current relationship status. But she says she's going to keep his identity quiet for now. And she's also not going to talk about how long they've been dating. But she's been spotted with this mystery man before when he, appeared to be her date to a wedding earlier this year. So that could have been a big storyline,

one that I felt like we were going to be talking about for a while, but now it just kind of feels like it went away. Like they were friends, they hung out. Yeah. Who knows why or what they were doing. But, you know, she seems happy. Yeah. She's public about it.

As Justin says, lots of, you know, Bachelor alums, we hang out because we were able to relate over stuff that some, that most people can't understand. Definitely. Well, as we move away from Katie's season, not too quickly. We've got to celebrate her and Blake, and we'll continue to update you on everything going on in their life as that relationship continues. We are moving into a new season of Paradise and also an upcoming season that's being filmed right now of Michelle Young's season, which people have been excited about. And the Bachelorette creator, Mike Fleiss, you've probably heard his name used once or twice before, offers behind the scenes look at Michelle Young's upcoming season, this according to people.

Okay, well, guys, it's not really a huge behind-the-scenes look. He posted a picture of her in a gym with some basketballs. So it looks like they'll be playing basketball on a group gate or something. I think he's just kind of signaling that the season is beginning. And Katie has given her advice to Michelle. She said, I've spoken to Michelle as much as I can because I know it's any day now that they're going to take her phone away. I think the biggest advice that I can give to her is just be open. Don't close yourself off too early.

I think guys can surprise you weeks later when you don't expect it. Beautiful. Just beautiful. It is. We're excited for that season. We have a lot of things look forward to, including Paradise. And we're going to jump down to one Paradise headline here. The Bachelor in Paradise sneak peak promises drama, sudden departures.

And well, a lot of little John and David Spade. What happened to Lance Bass? Lance is still there. Lance is there. What about Titus Burgess? I guess they come in later? I don't know what's going on Ashley they're going to be there they're all going to be there

but the the preview of course it's messy it's chaotic and there's a lot of people who are known for their drama and they're like Tammy and Victoria Larson she's there too

but guys I think the biggest the thing that left me lingering in my heart the thing that I saw that I just like I'm like so nervous for is that now we can confirm that Kendall does show up and she she does talk to Joe about why they're both there and I just feel like this is heartbreak on the brink I mean yes they've been broken up for a year and a half but it just seems like there's still some hurt that will come up this yeah it looks sad it looked hard it looked heavy and we've been around them

actually when they were dating and it was a real relationship that I know they cared a lot for each other. So just be interesting to watch that go down. And hopefully they both find somebody incredible in paradise. That would be awesome. And also a little weird to be dating. You're tating somebody in front of the person you used to love and care about. I don't know.

I just don't know if I love that idea. Really, really hard. Kind of like Blake dating Katie in front of Tasia. Pretty much. Pretty much. Yeah, that is weird, I guess. But like, you know, Tasia is very much taken. And Blake doesn't seem interested.

And then this is a little different because neither one of them go into this take. I'm just really worried about this because I feel like I'm going to have like a lot of like secondhand I'm just going to like the memories it's just going to really hurt okay anyway but then we also get confirmation

that Bega Kufrin is down there so is Tia and Demi so those are three big bachelor names that we haven't been able to confirm until like that teaser and the fact that this week ABC put out a press release that Becca Kufrin is going to be in paradise

Um, what's our next headline, Ben? The Bachelor et's Andrew Spencer addresses past insensitive tweets. I'm a different person now. Ashley, this is from people. It continues to pop up in Bachelor Nation where people are, uh, kind of old tweets or things are revealed, uh, kind of started, um, I don't know, a few years ago. I remember, uh, even, uh, with Lee, uh, that guy. But Andrew Spencer's addressing them.

Yeah, I don't know what the tweets said. Um, but they, um, but they, um, have been called insensitive and he says i'm super sad and embarrassed that those tweets came up definitely not the person who i am today i was young childish and immature and that's exactly what those tweets were super immature i've lived overseas the last three years obviously i've seen different things and i've been around different cultures and people so i'm a different person completely and you know i just want to make sure everyone knows that in my heart i don't i don't ever really go out and try to someone feel bad. I've grown so much and I've always been super positive. They're apparently

they contain offensive language and they are misogynistic. A few more headlines here. Tyler Cameron, just after recently admitting his absolute love for his girlfriend, Camilla, they've split after eight months of dating and the headline reads their friends are surprised this according to us. I'm surprised too because I saw him like a week and a half ago on watch what happens with Andy Cohen and she was sitting next to Matt in the audience and he called her out as his girlfriend so like

I don't know I wonder if like something there was like one big fight or something happened I'm not here I am speculating but apparently the source says to us weekly things were going well until they weren't so maybe I was right friends were surprised that things ended so

quickly and that's that's about all we got but they did unfollow each other on Instagram and she stopped keeping up with his brother on social media as well

and yeah it comes after two weeks, two weeks after he declared his love for her on Watch What Happens Live. Big headline there. Well, a couple more relationship headlines. One is one to celebrate. Vanessa Grimaldi is celebrating her bachelor at party

and it's something special. It looks like a lot of fun. Yeah, it looked like a blast. She says, what a night. It was the best bachelor at party with the most loving, kind, and generous group of women. I'm so lucky to call friends. This is what life's about surrounding yourself with people who fuel your heart and soul. I'm still smiling.

So they don't give us the date to her and her fiance's wedding, but I'm assuming it's coming up in the next couple months. It is something to celebrate. Vanessa is one of the great ones. Well, also, Cassie Randolph, finally, I guess, but also makes her relationship public with Brighton-Rinehart. This one is on Instagram, and it's according to people. I know. So on Thursday, she shared a carousel of photos and videos on Instagram with her and her 25-year-old musician, boyfriend, Brighton Reinhard. And the caption said, love exploring new places that I didn't even.

know we're right in my backyard and then he responded saying love exploring new places with you very cute and this is something that people have i guess kind of seen coming for a while they've been hanging out dating for a while but they've not made it instagram official until now big deal uh for cassie randolph as she enters into a new season of life with bright and reinhart well hey that's all the headlines we have today except one last one that talks about your friends jade and tanner have moved into a new home and they've showed it off on instagram kind of teased it i guess we should say this week yes they did um it's really right down the street from their old house it's like very very close and the kids seemed to be adjusting

really well the house is beautiful uh it was a house that tanner had his eye on for i'm not even kidding you like a year um they did not think that they were going to move it was like a little pipe dream of his like with his eye on this house and then just with like the housing market it actually panned out pretty well for them so I'm very excited to see the new house and to see how the kids make it their home it looks nice yeah I can tell you that oh yeah looks good hey that's all the headlines we have for you today it's also the ending of this podcast in this season uh well I guess going off of Katie season of the bachelor but we're not Stopping here. Oh, we asked. We're going to move right into Bachelor in Paradise. We're going to continue to break down everything good going on in Bachelor Nation. We're not taking any breaks. Why would we? Because we got a lot to look forward to. And our paradise, I mean, I think the star of paradise. If Paradise had a face, they represented it, Ashley Kennedy would probably be that face. At least that's what I think of. And so it's going to be a blast breaking down every episode of Paradise with Ashley. I have missed it. I mean, I just thought in my head, I was like, why does it feel like it's been so long since we talked about It's because it's actually been like 700 days. That's a long time.

And it's been a long time, Ash. So, hey, we're going to be here for it. And we're going to be breaking down for you. So in honor of Bachelor in Paradise coming back to our screens, we have gathered some of the most dramatic clips, quotes from the teaser. And we're going to read them in dramatic fashion now. For your listening pleasure. Oh, of course.

Okay. So I'll play Kendall and you play Joe. let's do this and then kindle walks in and that's joe's ex and joe's with serena why did you come here why did you come here kindle is absolutely trying to stop this okay demi and mary i'll play oh you play demi yeah that's funny hey got you a birthday can't Here he is with Demi, and I'm right there watching. Cool. And then, okay, wait, it's crying, wait.

Here he is with Demi, and I'm right there watching. Those poor girls, I'm going to steal all their men. The heat is fucking on. That's all I've got to say. And then we see the cake. There's like an actual cake in fire. Your cake is in the fire, by the way. I trusted you.

And then you back. I'm not backstabing you and then Kelsey comes in and says she's caught in a lie and she doesn't know how to get out of final one because this has been so terrific Thomas and Aaron Ashley I'll play Thomas and Serena okay and I'll play Abigail and Aaron Abigail says there's definitely a storm coming as they always say in paradise Serena says Aaron is ready to fight Thomas And Aaron says I deserve some respect Thomas says Don't F with me

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