The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Let Me Slip into Something More Comfortable

Episode Date: January 30, 2024

Ben and Ashley are breaking down week 2 of Joey’s season of The Bachelor!  We go through Joey’s tennis lessons, who stood out during the “wedding date”, and why Ben and Ashley think Daisy is going far this season. Plus, a blast from Ben’s past shows up to run the Boot Camp group date and Ben’s mind is blown!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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the things that she were meant to do. Listen to therapy for black girls on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is the Ben and Ashley I, Almost Famous Podcast with IHart Radio. Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today, Ben and I will be recapping episode two of Joey's season. Ben, how did you like this episode? I have a lot of questions for you, Ashley. I don't think you're going to like them.

Why? Does it have to do with Sydney? Oh, there's going to be so many questions. that you were not going to like what I think of this episode I will tell you as we go through the episode overall like just my overall feeling is like it was a good bachelor episode I do have some moments where I was like I could fast forward this and not miss a beat but overall good bachelor episode good start to the season let's start Ashley with the first group date I think that's really the first moment that the show really starts to pick up. It's, um, my first kind of comment here is, you know, what it is. It's a wedding date. It's the wedding date, which they insist on.

Okay. Guess they love it. Guess it's going to happen every season. They must be getting good feedback, right? Because they do like peer review these things. I think they get good emotion from the girls. Okay. I mean, sure. I can see that. Obviously, it happened here. Well, the big storylines during this date, it is a group date. We are one, you know, week into this show. I can claim I know more girls by name during this season so far than I really have probably in, well, since, you know. Since your season? Yes, this is my season.

So I do think I'm getting more names. Why is that? Don't know. Feel like I'm getting to know them quickly. I don't know. There's like just unique faces or what, but I think I know of the remaining 22. I might know all their names.

There's 22 to start out this episode and then there's even less at the end of the episode. And I think I might know everybody's name that remains now. Goodness, great. Well, that's impressive. I can't claim that. Well, you know, it is our job to a certain point.

So I try to keep track. You're professional. I'm not. But I do think also the lack of drama on night one really help that because we did get to get to know some of the women. I also believe a lot of these women do have unique stories. And so those unique stories help us kind of help them stand out or at least make those connections.

I think that's helped. But this group date is, as we said, a wedding dress date. They are all getting married. Instead of like weird individual pictures in front of all the girls now, they're just all getting married at this wedding. There seems to be some, you know, strangers that are invited. and the interesting point to the start of this date is as they're all in the van talking, they're kind of sharing about what their wedding day would look like.

And it brings up specific emotions for Lauren because Lauren mentions that her and Allison's dad had recently passed away. Seven months ago. And I would, like, this was, what could I say? Like, that really got me. I don't know if it's just, you know, any time there's during this show or in life when somebody talks about their family members passing, it just really makes me go internal or at least me feel for them. This moment really did make me feel for them for her.

And I get what she was saying. She's like, well, when I picture my wedding day, it's not going to look like what I thought it was. Yeah, it's super sad. And then I like go into the whole like, my parents are getting older. Holy crap, you know. So I definitely get into that. And, then we see in the this group day had so many elements to it and it had a lot of the girls stand out in different ways like oh my gosh evelyn jumping over the table when she wait he's talking about like evelyn jumping over the table um that was a statement moment during the musical chairs which love musical chairs moment we should totally bring this back more like adult but parties. Yes. Yeah. And then, let's see, I saw a lot of chemistry between him and Rachel when they had that

dance, when he picked her for the dance. And I didn't expect to see that. And it was, it was there. Him and Jess continue to be pretty cute together, the cupcake, the whole left-handed thing. Anything else? I don't think they have any chemistry, quite honestly. That's maybe one of the hot takes in the episode.

Yeah, I don't think him and Jess. of any chemistry. Yeah, but I think he likes, I think he likes her as a person. Sure, I mean, that's great. There's not like a... He gave her the rose, though, at the group date. Yeah, I have a feeling that, uh,

Jess's confidence is going to be inflated into the moment. It's not. Okay. You know those storylines from the show where we have that person who's like way overly excited about, you know, this way too early on and they like... it becomes way too much for them very quickly. I think that's what we're going to see with Jess.

I think she's a sweet person. I'm not, but I just don't. I think her takes in interviews have been way overly excited about stuff that doesn't really exist yet. Okay. I can understand.

I can get you behind that. Is there anything else from the wedding portion besides Michael Bolton that really stands out to you? Is he? Wasn't he just on a season? Was he? I feel like Michael Bolton. been around The Bachelor here recently.

We may have been, but I don't think recently. I love a Michael Bolton moment. I mean, it's great. I want to know how they get Michael Bolton to come on to these things. These girls are too young to appreciate, though. Well, they're all singing. They're all dancing, but I don't know if they fully appreciate it. I want to know, too, what does that call look like?

I mean, Michael Bolton is a huge star to be like, what's he doing with his time now that he's like, yeah, I'll go sing for 40 people at a bachelor show. I mean, it is good exposure. it must have worked out for him but I actually think he's sick I think he has cancer he still has a great voice he's really good

but the wedding portion of this it was exactly what you said Rachel and MF chemistry it did bring out emotions I do think Lauren in this not talking to him and not feeling like she is ready to talk to him is something important

I also want to point out though because this episode kind of goes in a weird direction after a while I was very intrigued not impressed but intrigued and then also like grateful for Maria's care of Lauren in these moments she felt like she really did want to care for her well and her advice was good it felt like she was trying to like be that rock for Lauren and I think that's an important note for us, especially as this episode goes on, about Maria's character. So that's a note. Yeah. So I am invested in the Maria storyline as I am friends with Sydney and I did help her get on the show. And Maria is, as you see a little teaser in this

episode, they're not each other's biggest fans. So I watched Maria very carefully to give Sid lots of my thoughts. And I did think that she, had a good moment with Lauren on this, on the actual wedding portion of the date. What did you think, though, when she decided to slip into something more comfortable? I thought it was good. I mean, why not? Why not? Like, what's the problem? It wasn't like. The first outfit was truly, in my opinion, sexier. Okay. That could be. I think it was the, it was. it was the art of seduction in the sense that I'm going to change into something else for you specifically. Do I think it was a move that, it's not a move some would make, I guess.

But what it does do is it makes her stand out. And it did make, I think, Joey say, this girl is trying to get my attention. It was not, and it was not overly, like. It's not overly seduct. It wasn't like, no, overly showy. She just showed a stomach. like weird to see on TV. It was like, okay, you're trying, you're doing something different. It felt like a moment that he will remember. I think he liked it. It was a move for him, not for the girls.

You know that the girls didn't appreciate that. They thought was super weird. And like that to them would have been moment number one. Okay, I'm watching out for this girl. she's not here for she's not here to make friends no but this didn't feel like any like this isn't as bad as i think stealing somebody when you have already talked to him once like this was her moment with him she isn't there to like make these girls be her best friend but if they want to be her friend they can get to know her a little bit and they're like okay well maria is willing to do this to get his

attention this is who maria is doesn't make me hate her did she do this to make me look bad no Did she say something to make me look bad? No, she just did this to get his attention. And as a result, I'm like, I don't see a lot of problem with it. It's not, it's not, it's, it's quite harmless. It really is. It's quite harmless. We've seen worse, I guess I could say.

We sure have. And let me just say, Michael Bolton, he had a brain tumor and he had to go, undergo surgery a couple, like a month ago. So I wasn't, I wasn't off on that, but he seems to be doing fine. Okay. Moving on. Well, wait, let's talk about a couple of the other moments on the group date. We had Jess talks about her, like, past relationship and, like, infidelity and how she's super insecure about things. And the girls are just super impressed by how, like, Joey listens.

They're just like, wait, you listen and you, like, like, like, listening to me, like, talk about my feelings. This is so special. Well, I will say this. You know, we've seen it in the past. with bachelors where they are not good at listening or good at kind of reciprocating feelings or emotions or reciprocating response to story human story you're right he is very warm he's warm and he has he does seem to like have he's in tune with what they're saying he's responding to what they're saying and he's not just making out with him which is a is a big deal uh as the lead of a show

is how you sit in these moments. And right now he's sitting in these moments fantastically, not because he is putting on a good face. I just think that's who he is. He's very comforting. He is. He was that in person too when we're on the golf course. He's a good listener.

Aw, that's so sweet. I don't mean to make it to me that should be something that we should be shocked by in a man, though. But he does do a great job. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.

This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. it's even more likely that they're cheating.

He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast

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All right. So let's move on to the one-on-one date, which is with Daisy. And I'm actually shocked that Daisy got the one-on-one right off the bat because she was what we said. last week to be such a focal point in episode number one that I was like, oh, wow, we're not even going to have like a little break to drag on like her star, but we don't. And I guess a lot of it may have to do with the fact that she was going to have to tell about the cochlear implant pretty early on just because the way that she can get overwhelmed in the environment with the girls, like with the hearing. And who knows? Do we often see the person that is like the star on night one, get the one-on-one?

I think it's all about what Joey wants there, quite honestly. But we know that this is, but you've, come on, tell us how it goes. I mean, there's definitely going to be like a multiple voices, but he will have full right to say, no, I want to bring her on the first one-on-one date. And people will be like, yeah, but that, you know, maybe you want to save it for a different day. That's what I mean, like, save that. I thought maybe save that. But he could say, no, I want to bring her now.

And they would say, okay, then you're bringing her now. I mean, I think it would get when maybe when anybody would put their foot down would be if he was like, I'm going to bring Daisy on the date this week and next week. And the week after that, somebody would be like, yeah, you can't do that. Like, that's not. Oh, well, yeah, of course. Okay. Well, then maybe it was intentional on just, you know, the other voices side because they were

going to a concert and they were going to an event. and I thought almost at first I'm like wait this is rude they're putting her in a place where she's going to have some hearing issues and she's going to have to keep saying like what and she may not be like fully in tune with what he's saying

but you didn't pick up on that I don't think it was I don't think there was any malice in it I think it was Joey saying hey I like this girl she stood out to me um she said she likes music

she went on a concert like on purpose. She said she liked music and I'm going to this concert. That would be fun. And yeah, like I just want to get to know her. I don't think he had any idea about her cochlear implants or her hearing loss. I really think he said, hey, I want to take her on a date as soon as possible. And the show said, well, why not this week?

And he said that would be great. I want to do that. I mean, quite honestly, Ashley, it's, good that they did go on this date. And I'm sure the show did want a date for them to happen early so that this could be talked about between them so that she would be more comfortable in the moments that she may not be comfortable. 100%. I will say, Daisy, to me right now, I watch this date. And I actually would say this about Joey and Daisy. And I don't think we've had this in a while. I think the leads, we could say the leads have had this. And that's just a thing that

happens when you're a lead. You're one of a few so people remember you and they could probably pull your name back or your name would be recognizable for a period of time. I don't think we've had a contestant be as memorable as what I think Daisy's going to be. Not because of her complications with hearing loss, but just because of who she is. She is made for the show. And I say that because there's a scene of her journaling, like in a little daybed by herself. She's very sweet. She's funny. She's in tune. She has, like, this charisma, a beauty about her.

And she has this story. I think Daisy will be one of those, like, legendary Bachelor people that we talk about for years to come. And I haven't said that in years. I mean, I can't even tell you. I totally understand what you're saying. I do think she's going to be either the next Bachelor or the person at the end. So I do think that's going to help her. But she's going to be memorable.

and I think it's going to be really good for Bachelor Nation because I think she's great and I think she's only going to get more great as time goes on. Their sit down was very compelling. When she was telling her story, I was like, what is it? What would happen?

Like, why were you getting sick? I mean, find out that it's Lyme disease. And then she talks about how she went to Germany to get treatment and now I want to know more about this treatment because she's come back. And for two years, she's been feeling great. I will say this, Lyme disease is of the devil. Yeah.

I mean, it's what, you know, my buddy had at the start of ALS. It's what, you know, Kelly Flanagan had. It's what people, you know, it's right Ryan Sutter has. It's what many people in Colorado have because they hike so much. Lyme disease. And I was like, I wrote this down when I was watching the show. I was like, how does the almost famous podcast push the medical, world to research Lyme disease more because it's becoming a massive concern. I mean,

it's one of the top three most diagnosed infectious diseases in the world, in the U.S. right now. And so Lyme disease is very dangerous. If you have it, I feel for you. It sucks. And it is not, it's not okay that there's not good answers. I know it probably makes you feel very alone. But it's wild to me that she had Lyme disease and all this came from that and that we're still sitting here today. And if you got diagnosed with Lyme disease, Ashley, tomorrow, for whatever reason, you would go to the doctor and they'd say, yeah, we don't really know what to do. Can't do anything. Yeah, I'm sorry. Like, our bad. It's wild to me that that's still the case. And so, yeah, just it's, that's a platform that if anybody's listening and they're like,

hey, I want to really do something good. Well, then let's go out and figure out how we can stop Lyme disease. But again, like you said, a very compelling date for Daisy and Joey. I think this date is the start of, again, something magical between them. Yeah, he has stars in his eyes looking at her.

Yeah, he does. Yes, he does. It's really sweet. He's almost like nervous. Like, not nervous and like, I can't talk kind of way, but just like he's just kind of sitting there. He's intimidated by her, and it's, like, really fun and romantic to watch. It's good to be intimidated by your, you know, by your love interest.

It's where you look at them and you go like, I don't know how I got you. I don't know how you're sitting here with me. That's a good thing. So the date itself, for me, Ashley, there's just no way that Daisy isn't around for the rest of our television screens. Like, there's just no way. She slid into the top three, just right there. Top two. Okay, top two.

Like, there's, I would bet money on the top two that Daisy is there at the end, somehow, some way. And that if she isn't with Joey at the end of this, which I don't foresee at this point, then she is the next lead of this show. And it's going to be great. And The Bachelor is so happy because back-to-back successful seasons. I don't know. But it was a big deal.

The next group date, Ashley, was shocking to me. This was one that, uh... It was the worst. I don't know if it was the worst It was, Jubilee was there Jubilee was on my season I've never heard from Jubilee in years She hasn't been around for a while

They pulled her out because they obviously wanted to honor an actual veteran During their awarding She's fantastic I mean Jubilee was always She's such a kick-ass girl But like Demi and Jubilee Granted great to see it

Very random Like completely random right Yeah Who knows Who knows especially why they picked Demi But we like both and we're glad that they're there that what meeting was happening when they're like get rid of a group date we need two like we want to bring two bachelor people back in to do it and they're like

who could be dimmy and jubilee like what a combination first of all and then i had the same reaction do you think bachelor nation did like maybe not as much because they'd probably like it's just the two of them aren't as like personal to them but i think that what it's cool is that jubilee was on your season and she was on two seasons of paradise but never lasted in paradise long and she's still very memorable oh she's great like she is yeah she always has been great and i'm so i was so happy to see her on my television i just yeah that was not on my bingo card i was like is this a warm for her to be able to go in paradise again like if that was if that was draft kings and it was like chances you see jubilee again on the bachelor i would say you know it'd be plus one billion

but i would have made a billion bucks it was why My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up.

Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not?

To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. My name is Ed. Everyone say hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself My dad is a farmer And my mom is a cousin So like it's not What do you get when a true crime

Producer walks into a comedy club I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke But that really was my reality nine years ago I just normally do straight stand-up But this is a bit different On stage stood a comedian With a story that no one expected to hear Well 22nd of July 2015

A 23 year old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now.

Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Get fired up. y'all. Season two of Good Game with Sarah Spain is underway. We just welcomed one of my favorite people and an incomparable soccer icon, Megan Rapino to the show, and we had a blast. We talked about her recent 40th birthday celebrations, co-hosting a podcast with her fiancé Sue Bird, watching former teammates retire and more. Never a dull moment with Pino. Take a listen. What do you miss the most about being a pro athlete? The final. The final. And the locker room.

I really, really, like, you just, you can't replicate, you can't get back. Showing up to locker room every morning just to shit talk. We've got more incredible guests like the legendary Candace Parker and college superstar AZ Fudd. I mean, seriously, y'all, the guest list is absolutely stacked for season two. And, you know, we're always going to keep you up to speed on all the news and happenings around the women's sports world as well. So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you guys. get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports.

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I mean, after it than before it. Edwina is the only one that really stands out during this because she's just so full throttled. Well, she's the only one that got screen time. Like, we had like an action date. And then we just had one person spend time with Joey, which was good, but then we don't. It's like another one-on-one.

It was, yeah, it was like a one-on-one. So we never, we didn't have a cocktail party. We didn't have multiple conversations going on. You know, they had their date. She was competitive. She did deserve this. I mean, if you watched the clips back, there wasn't a scene that she wasn't either getting the,

the, the heart or falling down, chasing after it. I mean, that she had to be sore, scraped up. Yeah, she still cleaned up nice and lived beautiful and went on this date. I do like her. kind of, when she got asked to go on the day, she's like, I don't feel bad about this. I know me too. That was fantastic.

I don't know what you guys want me to do, but I do not feel bad that I'm going on this day. I know. It was so great. They did the same thing on my season. We had the tractor date. We raced downtown L.A. And then he was like,

I'm going to pick one person to do like a basically one-on-one with. Yeah, I mean, it's not unheard of. It's kind of a weird choice for week one to like eliminate so many girls from just, you know, quality time. But whatever. Um, but, um, but Edwina, she basically told him about how she grew up in an immigrant family and just always had to be strong and like, a, you know, not in charge of the household, but like helping running the household and talking about emotions was not a priority for them.

It was more of like, put your head down and work. Sure. Suck it up. And he really appreciated her vulnerability. they had a nice date she got the rose she got some kisses anything else to say about that no I mean I think it was a great date I think that

the two of them I think he needed that kind of night too you know I was going to say Ben because we saw it was at the West Lake Inn and how much that's right down the street guys how much do you as a bachelor appreciate when you can just have a nice

night in your hotel room well I always when football was on, because I'd get back and watch the second half of the late-night game. But I was thinking more, this was a hard date for Edwina. And the reason is because she was following up on one-on-one with Daisy. And I think Daisy's date was so present on his mind, probably the next day. He's probably so excited about Daisy that whoever was going to go on that date was going to have a hard time.

Because ultimately, when you are the bachelor or bachelor, you're comparing all the time to see who you have a better connection with and who you don't. So I think for Adwina to come out of this date with a rose, with a kiss, is, in a sense, a win for her and for Joey because he was probably like, I don't want to go on any more dates ever again. Like, I'm good. Is he going to pull a Claire?

No, he's not because I do think, but the first two weeks is it's really hard because you don't have anything. You only have, you know, one date to compare everything else to. And you don't have. the 40 dates that you'll end up going on from the start to the finish of this show. And so you're kind of like locked in at this point. Over time, he'll start to like less lock in on Daisy and start to have more of a sample, you know, a sample size. But right now, I think it was just going to be a hard date. And so I'm glad that she walked away with the

Rose. She's here next week. They'll spend more time together. Now, Ashley, I'm going to lead this conversation into the cocktail party. So as you mentioned earlier, friends with Sydney. I thought Maria during this episode, yes, we could pick out and pick and choose things that were like, hey, that felt weird or that felt awkward. I don't, I didn't really see anything. I felt like Maria altogether was very normal or very likable and very kind to the people around her and very considerate of the emotions that other people were experiencing. And it felt weird to me that your friend, Sidney, decided to go in this direction.

Because what I know from Sydney right now, from seeing this show and from hearing from you, she's a very sweet, very confident. She's a business owner. She's really cool. It just doesn't, like, even when I'm watching this, and if I would never ever have heard those things from you,

I would have been like, this doesn't feel like Sydney. Like, this doesn't feel like who she is. This is not a role. She needs to play. She needs to stay out of this. She's beautiful. She is strong.

She is. confident she is doing something that she should not be doing and i will go this and i want you to fight with me on this again i told you i was going to put you in a corner cindy was wrong like not only she'd not be playing this role she was wrong in her take oh so i don't think she was wrong in her take but i will say that she certainly didn't look cool which i always you know i always think of her as cool and she called me on friday and they tell you the producer call, and they're like kind of give you a glimpse into what you should expect on Monday's episode, especially if you're, you have a big role in the upcoming episode. And she was in panic

mode. So I was eager to go and watch the episode and try to really look at it from a very objective point of view. And I was like, well, neither are you or Maria look like awful. Neither of you look awful. It's like no big deal. Your, your fight just looks silly. it's just like a dumb argument um she i was like it seems like you're getting into somebody else's business and then at the same time i do think maria when she was talking to was it lauren she was like she's just complaining about being too old it's like i'm old too she did seem a little condescending about this the conversation that medina had about age but overall i just think it was like a really silly argument.

I don't know how much I'm allowed to say, but I guess I can say this. There was a lot leading up to that that made Sydney annoyed. And what was aired about the whole age conversation is absolutely not what she has been annoyed with Maria over. Well, that doesn't matter to me

because I don't know what that is. I'm just a fan of this show. And I will say, I will still stand firm that she was wrong because I want to see anybody else Why did you think that she was wrong? Because, like, I understand that she was being a little condescending when she did that. I don't think she had to go.

I don't think Sidney had to go over to Medina and be like, hey, just letting you know people are talking shit because it wasn't really, like, so much talking shit. It was so, everything was just, like, so mild. It just shouldn't, nothing should have been, really, nothing should have been come of that conversation. Okay. You want to hear why I think she's wrong? Yeah. Well, you just explained the first reason.

She shouldn't have done it because it was very mild. And it felt very overwhelmed that she did it. So in that sense, I think she was wrong. The second one is typically in these arguments, I, because there always is other things, I look for the reaction of others in the house. So who else is, like, who else is fighting this battle, right? Who else is, remember a couple years ago, we had Victoria, who was, you know, Queen Victoria. And everybody in the house was like, we got to get rid of Queen Victoria. She is causing so many issues in this house. And this situation, there's nobody else on Sydney's side. And there's nobody on Maria's side either, but there's just nobody else involving themselves in it. And so as a result, I'm like, it is not a thing. So Sydney, why did you make it a thing? I think if she were here talking to you, and again, like, I don't even think that anything is, it's like, it's not worth my breath. Like, I told her, I was like, if I didn't know you, our recap of this on the podcast would be like two minutes tops. We'd be like, two minutes tops. We'd be able to.

like what a silly argument about age maybe yeah she sounded condescending but like overall not a big deal like why is it getting airtime but now that i know her it's more of a conversation obviously and i i just i just know that there is more she just there is more there was more going on and there was more people that have more opinions but like again that's like stuff that doesn't make the cut and it's just like that's how it goes on this show so much of what you want to see of your experience doesn't get on and it gets extremely frustrating when you try to explain yourself based on what people have actually seen on TV and you're like no no no no like if only you'd seen this that doesn't matter because we don't know that

side of it I know it doesn't matter because we're talking about this show in particular in this moment now here's my conclusion to it. If this was the end of the conversation, and this is where it kind of fizzled out to, right? They're also around. There's the next week. It did kind of fizzle out. Then it's nothing, except for the scenes for the next episode. Yeah, then it's nothing. Then it's like, yeah, this was a stupid conversation. You guys are tired. You got to go to bed. Like, try this again tomorrow. Like, this is nothing. I've seen a lot worse. I've seen fist fights on the show. You've seen so much worse. Yeah. But the scenes from the next episode pointed this doesn't stop here.

And what my concern is, I agree with you on everything you're saying about Sydney. So far, she's beautiful. She is, from what you tell me and what we see on the show, she is cool. She's confident. And what I'm worried about is this is going to be the end of Sydney. Like she is going to get herself in a situation that she cannot get out of, that she, again, should never have entered into. And as a result, she was wrong. because Sidney should not have been playing in this mess.

This was not her mess to play with. When Jared and I heard her side of all of this, both of us were like, okay, you should be interesting to see how this airs. Because her story was definitely like a, she said this and then I said this. And then, you know, like a lot of division. There's a lot of...

A lot of division for somebody that doesn't need to be in division. yeah that just didn't need to do it we we both were like should be interesting sure great responses again yeah sucks for you no i i you know i had more hope than jared does i still have more hope than jared does i um would love i can't wait to see the next episode because this one i still stand by like i want to know the general reaction i was watching with my sister this episode and she was like she's not even you know she like sydney she's met her a few times she doesn't but she's not like going to be blind toward any of that or like really try to stick up for she she was like no maria doesn't come off like she's like maria doesn't come across

great so and i will kind of agree like i don't think maria comes across as great but i definitely don't think sydney's coming across as great but i think both of them are like kind of like all right I don't have really a problem with either of you. See, you guys, you know, I'm looking from a neutral perspective. I really just think, like, no one's, like, really effed up here. Can you agree, though, that Sydney should not have entered into this conversation? Yes, absolutely. Like I said, I said, you do look like you're entering into somebody else's business.

Yeah. You're that person right now. Next week will be interesting. It will be intriguing. If I was friends with Sydney, I hope to meet her one day. my advice to her would be go on Paradise because people like you always come back shining and a star

after the beach if Paradise ever happens again. No, but she could win, Ben. I don't see it. Move over Daisy. I don't see it right now. My, my... I'll see it.

Final big thing from this episode is Lauren goes home. It's very anticlimatic. For somebody it was, you know, made a splash on episode one and kind of making a splash on episode two and a storyline that were all in by. She just is like, I'm out of here. And I get it. There's a lot of emotion and she doesn't feel like she's like in the right space and headspace for this. And I think the comparison with

her sister is probably getting to her. But her exit is very anticlimatic. It might be the most anti, the anticlimatic exit I've ever seen on the show. She just was like, I'm out of here, man. And he's like, okay, cool, wish I could do something. Sorry, your experience sucked. Here's a cake. And she threw it on the ground. It's like, peace. And that's it. Like, that was all happened. Yeah, I guess. I think it was just kind of funny and real. Like, she obviously just, like, emotionally couldn't handle it. And maybe it has to do it with, like, the loss of her father.

She's probably just in, like, a very emotional state constantly, like, you know, up and down all the time. Like she said, like, the grief isn't linear. And she's just like, you know what? Guess what? Can't handle this. And, you know, everybody has that panic moment this week. There's, like, something about week two.

Like, I had a total of, well, shocking. And had a total meltdown week two over some really strong. stupid stuff could not catch my breath one of the executive producers like took me out the back door and was like listen you're good but like everybody has that moment week too they're like i don't know if i can do this you either push through it and you're usually real fine after that or you're just like i got to leave and she just had to leave yeah i mean at least it makes her a better situation for her sister now yeah i mean i agree she did have to leave i like more and i liked her on Me too. I like her vibe. And she was good TV. She was like that great, you know, that

she's from Philly, that Jersey vibe, very. I thought she was going to be a mean girl and she never was. She was like more just mean to herself. Like she was great. So we do have quite a few exits this week. Obviously the two that stand out, Taylor, who made a lot of screen time with her commentary kind of on just Jess and the situation there. And then Lauren, obviously is known for going home. Next week's scenes from the next episode, they look dramatic. My concern is that all those things are not going to happen

in next week's episode. It's going to be spread out over kind of the entirety of the season, but we do know they have the Bachelor Open, which looks fun. I wish they would have done golf for me because that would have been cool because I love golf, but obviously Joey is a lot better at tennis than I am at golf. and we do see this.

It looks like we see this Sydney, Joey, Medina, Maria thing continue. Ashley, you are in the no. I know you can't say a lot, but can you tell us a yes or no if it continues? The drama continues for a couple weeks. Goodness, gracious. But I hope it gets more substantial. You know what I mean? Like, we need to see more of the crux of the situation.

Is this one conversation spurring that? It's just weird. They would not have aired that if it wasn't going to lead to much bigger things, right? I don't know, Ashley. I'm not an expert in this show. I just break it down every week. All I know is I'm very excited to see it. I wish, not an expert in this show.

I wish Sidney would stop and just like focus on Joey. I did not want to see her. be the one to do this and somehow she is the one to do this. So Ashley, final question of the week. Who is in your top three? Daisy. Rachel really did stand out in this episode of me for chemistry. So maybe I would say Rachel. And then I love, I still really like Kelsey A, even though we didn't see much of her this week. And then I do feel like Jen still is very much up there. Okay. I will go Daisy, Rachel. I can't say Kelsey A only because she is getting to edit that makes me think she's going to be around a long time because she obviously is somebody

that Joey's into yet we don't see anything from her yet. Sometimes they skip week too when it comes to people like that far. She gets that edit this week, which makes me think she's still there for me, but I can't say it. Yeah, Jen, I'm going to put Eliza up there. Liza seems to be catching. When you said Jen, do you mean Jess? No, I meant Jen, who didn't make much of a splash this week either. Yeah. But Jess, you just said that you thought

that Jess was going to like... I don't think it's in there. No, I don't think. I'm just intrigued that you don't think she's up there either. Yeah, I'm going to put Rachel, Daisy, and Liza only because it feels like when Joey... When Joey sees Liza, he just loves it. Who's Liza?

Well, I hope. Wait a second. How am I forgetting this lady? I like that. She said, I know everybody's name and their face. And then I'm the one pulling out names that she doesn't know. Are you sure not thinking about Lexi? Because Lexi also had quite a nice moment during the cocktail party when she did the funny

thing where she was like, I'm a fine arts. I have a master in fine arts. And then she. Lexi was the one I was thinking of. Sorry about that. Amazing. It's still early on. We're going to get better at this.

This has been the almost famous podcast. Again, great episode. Joey is fantastic. I think he is great for the show. He's so good. Yeah, I think he is just a good dude. I am excited to see where his journey continues with all of the women left. I think we have a great season on our hands.

And so we'll be back next week, breaking down episode three of The Bachelor. I am heading to Carmel, as we do most years, to hang out with a bunch of former bachelor people, to do a lot of episodes, to recap with some of our favorites, to get insights into new love interests and to what's happening romantically in their lives. Ashley, obviously, with her big announcement recently, is going to be hanging back and just chilling. Yes. My body can't do another cross-country trip after the Golden Bachelor.

That was a strain on my body. And I don't imagine doing it again. And also, it's Dawson's second birthday on Wednesday, which is when you're going. And, yeah, I missed, well, we didn't miss his last birthday. Of course, we met Tom Brady on his birthday, but he wasn't able to be home. And my mom also shares his birthday. So this week, we wanted to have them be together on their birthday. It's totally good.

It's totally cool. But I will be going out to Carmel with a bunch of people. So the Almost Famous Podcast is going to be producing some incredible content, not because I'm the one doing it, just because there's going to be some great guests. Susie and Justin. Susie and Justin. I will be joining you for that interview via Zoom. Of course you are.

Even though you can't make it. You'll be there. You can't miss that one. I can't miss my, my, my, the couple that's like Jared and I. Oh, my. All right. Well, hey, so again, a lot of content coming your way. This has been the Almost Famous Podcast, and I've been Ben.

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