The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Life In A Throuple with Zach Shallcross

Episode Date: February 12, 2026

Ben catches up with former Bachelor Zach Shallcross in Carmel. The guys are talking about TikTok, building dream homes...and throuples?! Ben finds out some new information on the celebrity Zach's wife, Kaity, is obsessed with! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Zach, a serious question for you to start this thing out. Fire away. How does it feel to be a TikTok husband? Oh, my God. Oh, Kate, what she puts me through.

I am not, yeah, I am not the biggest TikTok guy at all. Is it apparent on my face or something? I don't know. Like, I hate it. I am very much not a social media person.

Yeah, yeah. In all ways. Like I don't get on it a lot. I don't scroll on it a lot. It's just not a huge part of my life. But it has benefited me in the past. And then benefits my wife because she educates on skin.

And she, here's what you've got to do. Here's the secret. They just can't listen to this. I doubt either of them will. You just have to start being like naturally bad at it. And she'll stop asking you. That's what happened with me. Jessica would come in and be like,

hey, I need you to be in this video for me, or will you show off your skincare routine, or will you put this outfit on? I'm like, yeah. And I tried. Like, it wasn't like I was not doing my best for her, but every time she'd be like, God, man.

Come on, we'll just do that again and do it. I'm like, I just don't think I'm made for this. I try that. I've been trying that for years. I think it was one of the first things I told her as that, I'm not built for this TikTok stuff. What you're doing? And she's like, oh, I got this new trend.

I found this. this new sound, we have to do it. And it's almost turned into like a bartering tool. Like, okay, if you want to watch football for nine hours a day, you got to film two TikToks with me. And I go, hmm, all right, fine, deal. I'm a sucker. A minute for nine hours. Yeah, I guess. I will do that. Before we kind of dive into some of the big updates in your life, and there are some, I think something really interesting with you. And I want to just chat with you. and I don't necessarily know how to phrase it, but you were The Bachelor.

You are a success story from The Bachelor, one of few, and yet you, I think, even since you're on the show, said, I'm going to keep a full-time job. Yeah. Like, I'm not, like, this is a chapter, a season, and I did that. So I worked two years after I was the Bachelor still

for a software company. Yeah. And then this happened, life happened, and I said, okay, I can transition out. of it. But for me personally, and I'm only speaking from my own person, I was very, I got, it was a very weird season where I got very jealous and envious because so many other people had left their job and were able to do it successfully. Yeah. Now there's a conclusion to that that I'll talk to you about, but I want to stop there and say, this has been your decision.

Yeah. Yeah. Your world. Why? How does it feel? Like just walk us through that. No, it's a great question because I what was very clear to me like I wasn't the biggest like uh fan slash ball nowhere of what bachelor look like back like when it started and like I but I did know like it was obviously one of the biggest successful shows of all time and and what I like saw from like my parents perspective or when they would watch it or my sisters it's like okay like these people were on the show and you know they were forever you know the guy from the bachelor or the girl from the bachelorette or whatever and like they could write a career from that and in my eyes I thought like that is not necessarily something I want and number two

is like I think over the years the show doesn't like automatically mean like you can have a career pivot or career change and I I know that and so like I think for longevity of like my you know for my life for me and my wife like security having a solid stable like career is what I find I guess the most secure for us and like I knew it wasn't going to come from the show like I was going to you know we were going to do all the fun and exciting things that you can get out of it but I think for it's like it's like it's like a needle in a haystack to really have that like opportunity to really like totally career pivot so that's how I viewed it um and I just kind of stuck true to it and like Kate and I were very like we're in a great spot so it works out very well.

But yeah, I just I just figured it like that won't happen. I was like no way is the show at the same level as what it was. So it's just not going to happen. So let me just do everything in my power to keep things normal. Did you ever? It makes a lot of sense. Did you ever get that like comparison envy jealousy though? not from

Bachelor really so like people that were on the Bachelor or Bachelor at prior like not really that because again I'm not like a big social media guy I don't find enjoyment from you know making little TikToks or like constantly doing stuff on Instagram or whatever I don't find any enjoyment

but what I do what I did get like a little bit of envy or jealousy and I don't think it came from really anyone of, from the Bachelor world, but it came from like my uncle, who's a voice actor. I thought like, ooh, that kind of lifestyle.

I know it's completely different from my software background and what I do. But I was like, oh, that would be a route I'd like to go. So I had a little bit of envy of like, well, I mean, it'd be cool if I could do some voice acting and stuff, like pivot from the Bachelor to do that.

But that was the extent. It was like, that'd be cool. I'd like to still pursue that. But I tried not to, because you know this living in the world of Bachelor, like social media, like shows one thing, but behind closed doors, you really know. Like, it's different, you know. It is different. I, you know, I did this for two years and I got a phone call one day. I won't mention who from somebody who's on the show. And they, they were, this was like,

probably two years after my time, they were on the current season and they said, hey, they're a big name. and they called me and they said, hey, what do you kind of do with this? Like, how do you navigate this afterwards? And I said, well, honestly, I went back to work because I wanted health insurance. And I had no money at the time. I was making minimum wage. And he said, yeah, but everybody from the show becomes like millionaires after the show, right? And I said, I don't know me.

I'm sure somebody has, but this, unless you kind of find your niche, And like this almost famous worked out because it was 10 years ago. One of the first podcasts to ever be launched and existed, right? This was kind of like that we found lightning in a bottle. Yeah. But it's harder and harder as, you know, media gets more saturated and it's harder and harder to find opportunities. And not every person. I mean, Wells is a great example of this.

He's a host by trade. Like he was a host way before he was on the show. Right. So he's skilled and talented. Not all of us are made to be the bachelor and then go host a time. television show. And there's only a few shows out there. And there's a lot of pros. Yeah. That should be getting those jobs and do get those jobs. Yeah. And so it was a, it was a clear decision for me. But I did feel a lot of envy. And my conclusion, that story was I actually

started to get, talk to people and they're like, I'm jealous of you for having a full time job. Like they were, I was jealous of them because it looked like they were out traveling the world, making money and living lavishly. on social media. And then when we'd sit and talk, they'd be like, I'm envious of you because you have a stable, like, income.

And you have a stable job. You're not searching all the time. Bob Guinea's a good example. He's here with us right now. Bob has held a job for 15 years post show. And I think that's the part that I only mention this because I think it's something that people should be educated on. Is that everybody that goes on reality television comes off

and just works and entertainment. It's taken care of for the rest of her life. Or he's like going to be a millionaire, famous beyond belief. Like, no, that's the thing where I think a lot, most people would assume that. And I just hope, like I tried to see through the BS and just know,

like I know this is going to be like really exciting and fun and really probably short live because like at the end of the day, Kate and I joked about it. Like, yes, we had this awesome experience. We met each other on The Bachelor and like people know of the Bachelor. and all this. But we don't have any special talents or skills, like, in particular. No, he's got chosen. I'm a normal guy. I worked a sales job before. You were a nurse from Canada. Like, we don't have any special talents. Like, we're lucky to be here and, like, we'll take what we

can get. But, like, shoot, I'm not a singer or anything. Like that, then that could, like, you know, help your career. I don't know. Say yes to the fun things that pop up along the way. I got advice that I've talked about before, but the advice was use this to enhance life. You already had not change it completely. Love it. And it's felt like that. I would also imagine kind of moving into your relationship and catching up a little bit there. This, I don't want to say normalcy because it's not normal.

You guys are living a great life. You're building a home right now. You're on television. But I'm imagining that it also helped you to feel like you had more of a real relationship than if you did come off the show and just put your, you know, fame out there and burn it as bright and as long as you could, it probably stabilized you to. It helped the relationship, I think, a ton.

I mean, I think at the end of the day, all you can have is normalcy from this. And you don't, like, you got to find your normalcy because you won't have that. Like, once we got back off the show, it was like, oh, wow, like, life was different. People, like, know of us. This is kind of weird attention. But, like, having the job security, having us, like, fortunately, living in the same city when we got off the show was huge.

But we did kind of follow the right tracks of like, you know, date a little bit more separate places and then move in. You just have to find the normalcy wherever you can. And we just were very vocal about it. We were like, hey, this is so cool that we just did this and this is bad shit crazy. But let's be normal here. Like remember, like health insurance. Yeah. Let's have a job.

Car, like anything. Like we got to buy a house. When are we planning kids? Like it's crazy. Yeah. But it's an incredible thing. to watch because ultimately, if the show is about finding love, and that's when the show is most successful, you found it, and you two made the decision, no, our relationship is more important

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What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband. So keep this secret for so many years, he's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage,

but it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. You're a dangerous person who prays unvulnerable and trusting people. Your predator might go up and good. Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the A building. I'm Hans Charles.

I'm Inalek Lamouba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, Jr., had both been assassinated, and Black America was out of breaking point. Writing and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's Almermata, Moore House College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history,

Martin Luther King's senior and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution, I mean, people would die. The murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A-building on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I'm Brandon Carl Goodman, the host of the Tell Me Something Messy podcast. I wanted to create a safe, comfy place for all of us to talk about sex, relationships, and what it means to be human. And baby, my fantastic guests are bringing their mess to share with the class. Like singer-songwriter Duran Bernardar suggesting we reinstate adult sleepovers with friends. Here's a thing. Get a group that's mature enough not to be putting your hand in warm water and tickling your... You know what I'm saying? I mean, I mean, granted, I might be doing.

But you know, like... And I think it's important for... for those examples of that, of us just being gentle with one another because the world and the people in it already finding brand new ways to whip a ass everything. One thousand or a day. So the least we could do is make strides to handle each other in a way that is a bit more. Yeah, with that's with care and a bit more mindful.

Listen to tell me something messy on the IHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Speaking of building a home, you are building a home. Yes. recently on social media, I saw that you went into the home that's being built and you wrote letters on the pillars. I'm sure that was your idea. Yeah, of course. Yeah. I found it on TikTok. Tell everybody about this process of designing the home and why you chose to build, not buy, and just kind of walk, catch everybody up. Yeah. So a little less than a year ago,

Kate and I, we made the decision, like, we were already married at this point. like we'd love to just like start or start our roots grow our roots in Austin and have our own place instead of renting because we'd moved a handful of different places throughout the years we found this neighborhood that we fell in love with immediately it's like a newish community a lot of young parents and families and dogs and it's nice and it's pretty and it's on the outskirts of Austin and we're like this has to be it and after a few months of just two we found like literally a dirt lot and we just like we saw the lot we felt where it was in the whole community and we go this is it this is where we need to be and we found you know the model

that we really like we found like the best builder that we really liked and uh the fact that we built instead of just found one was my wife is very particular about how things look and how things feel she's got this incredible interior design eye that's insane she spends literally hours a day just like building Pinterest boards of like our living room and office and like and changing it every day. Oh and you're going to benefit so much from that because you're going to live in the most like comfortable place. Oh, it's going to look so beautiful. It'll look like in a magazine. And so we're like, okay, if we build, we can do that stuff. So we pick the floors, the fixtures, to everything. And then it's just been awesome because we got really close with the builder and

we've been going on site to see the updates, doing inspections and whatnot. And then Kate came up with the idea like we should write notes. And I actually love the idea because I was like, you know what? At the bones of the house. Well, I think it's a great idea. It's awesome, right? And just like knowing that's there and who knows maybe down the road when you're, I gotta put it in a new outlet and bust some drywall, I'll see a little note for years before.

So it's been awesome. It'll be done in June. They say may, but we're planning in June. Do you think it will be your forever home? No. You don't? We've talked about it. We've, I mean, we'd love to have this home for a long.

time. But with Kate being Canadian, my family just recently moved to Arizona. I think that eventually we might explore other locations, but this will be our home for our kids. Okay. Yeah. And speaking of kids, obviously, that's what you get asked about once you're in your stage of life. Is it something that you guys are thinking through processing? Is it one of the reasons why you decided to build this house? It's like a big reason for sure. It wasn't the reason, but oh, there's like already. you know, a date in mind and she'd loved it. So yes, there's, there's kids somewhat, not really on the way, but soon. Yeah, it's, uh, it's the best chapter of like, really. Oh my gosh. It is, uh, it really wrecks you though. Um, yeah. Like being away sucks. I FaceTime sure with them this morning. And like,

you don't understand just like how much your heart can like break and feel for this like little thing that you're now responsible for. I hear it's the moment. moment like they're born you like something kind of feels different like a click i've always been cautious of telling people that because i have buddies who are like it didn't happen for me sure i think for the woman she carries the baby for nine months yeah they feel this thing for me it was that but it was more it was a relief for the safety of my wife yeah and then like a month in when the baby smiles at you or like needs you as the like the dad which isn't really a thing for the first like five months Something like something sparked in me.

And I was like, I, I am, I'm fully connected. It's a weird moment where you know it happens. But I have buddies who are like, it didn't happen right away. I think I felt protection more than I felt connection. And then connection came a few weeks in. And I was like, it's all over. I know. Oh, that's so cool.

But it's an amazing thing. I recommend it to anybody that wants a child to definitely give, give their best shot and the lead-up's really fun. It's really great. Now, are you, Valentine's Day's coming up, Zach, you two obviously have a lot going on in your life. Are you a very romantic guy?

No, not really. No. Did you know Valentine's Day was coming up? That's a great, yeah, no, Kate made sure I knew. Yeah, we've got plans and, you know, get her a little, like, a couple gifts or something. that yeah I do try to be very cognizant and well in advance I'm not like a last second guy I'm very much a planner but my romantic yeah no that's a fair like my

wife loves receiving gifts and she loves giving gifts I don't like receiving gifts and I'm not great at giving gift yeah so it's like more like of an intentional decision I have to make to be like okay let me think about what I do but But we've also in our marriage made it clear like, hey, Valentine's Day doesn't mean that like I do something crazy for you because then your birthday comes up like two months later and I'll do something. We try to just like maybe enjoy a bottle of wine and have a dinner and hang out and be like, hey, I love you. Yeah. That's like for me that feels very romantic. Yeah.

Like more romantic than anything else. I agree. She would love a gift. She'd love a gift. Yeah. On to some fun stuff here. Katie's a huge Justin Bieber fan. The biggest.

How does that make you feel? It was an adjustment for sure, you know, being in a thruple. I didn't know this about her. This is in my notes here. I had no clue that she was a Justin Bieber fan. I knew, like, right, when we got off the show, you know, she would be like, I love Justin Bieber. And, you know, it's like, yeah, he's got great music.

Sure, I grew up listening. Yeah, handsome guy. Yeah. No, it's like pure infatuation. And she's like, it's like, she's like, it was part, like, not about like him or like what, who he looks like, it's like his music transformed her life or like got her through like her entire life. So she has this like, I got obsession of J. Bebe that I'm fully supportive of. I love J. Bebe's now because of her. And I liked him before. But it's, I mean, she she might be like top 10 super. fan in Canada. Because he's Canadian.

Is it a Canadian thing, you think? For sure. Yeah. For sure. Because he's like, he was from Canada, became the biggest pop star in the U.S. And Kate, a lot of, like, she would say like when she was growing up,

she'd want to eventually go to the States. And like, it's a little bit of a tough transition to do. And then boom, oh my gosh, our guy from, you know, Canada is now the biggest thing in the U.S. I'm going to follow that, you know, like how cool. Is, we're going to get in trouble for this conversation. because I'm just saying it because I'm naive. Yeah.

Is it similar to like a Taylor Swift thing? Because when I hear people who love Taylor Swift, they're like, because her music got me through life. It's exactly that. And you just said that about Justin Bieber, and I'm like, is it similar?

It is. And I don't, I don't know if I've like truly ever met, because there's a lot of T Swifties, right? Yeah. Whatever the fan, the whole fan. Swifties, I think.

Swifties are. You don't hear like, I guess, Beliebers might be one, but you don't hear them as much. as like Swifties, but she is definitely that to where it's like, it's on another level of like, I don't know what happened, but like got her through like a lot of things. And he makes her so happy. It'll be like we were watching the Grammys the other night. And I mean, just like you,

you could hear a pin drop. Like she showed up on there and she's got her camera filming. She's getting all the. And I'm like, all right, baby, whatever makes you happy. But if I do this with Dula Lipa, it's a problem. All of a sudden, I'm in trouble. Yeah. Wait a second. It doesn't work two ways. Yeah.

I only say we'll get in trouble because I've questioned and not more just asked about the Swifties. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm guessing Beliebers are very similar. They're passionate. And I always say something wrong and they get offended or I'm uneducated on the matter. But I'm, I'm so removed.

Yeah. Yeah. That I'm learning as I go. Yeah. Nothing against them. No. Nothing. I'm just, I'm curious.

I wish I could find. like a like if I look at it another way like if I wish I had a musician I looked up to that I loved that much I don't really really care like I maybe I'm missing this like joy for or listening to music that is like on another level like Swifties who like love that I don't have that with the station that says bold vibrant and diverse as you are I heart pride kinda from dance anthems to pop icons and hits from 2S LGBTQ plus Canadian artists it's the soundtrack that keeps life loud and proud. Just ask your smart speaker to play IHart Pride Canada.

Stream us on your phone or listen now at iHartRadio.ca. Come together, celebrate love. Pride. Pride. Feel it all year long. Let's go. With IHart Pride Canada. In the middle of the night, Soskia awoke in a haze. Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop.

What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband. So keep this secret for so many years. He's like a seasoned pro.

This is a story about the end of a marriage. But it's also the story of one woman. who was done living in the dark. You're a dangerous person who prays unvulnerable and trusting people. Your creditor might go up and good. Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the A building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm in Alec Lamoma. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. had both been assassinated. And Black America was out of breaking point.

Writing and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia at Martin's Almemata, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history, Martin Luther King Sr. and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people would die. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A building on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I'm Brandon Kyle Goodman, the host of the Tell Me Something Messy podcast. I wanted to create a safe, comfy place for all of us to talk about sex, relationships, and what it means to be human and baby, my fantastic guests are bringing their mess to share with the class. Like singer-songwriter Duran Bernard suggesting we reinstate adult sleepovers with friends. Here's the thing. Get a group that's mature enough not to be putting your hand in warm water

and tickling you. You know what I'm saying? I mean, granted, I might be doing it. But you know, like, and I think it's important for those examples of that, of us just being gentle with one another. because the world and the people ended already finding brand new ways to whip a ass everything.

1,000% of the day. 1,000%. So the least we could do is make strides to handle each other in a way that is a bit more mind. Yeah, with, that's with care and a bit more mindful. Listen to tell me something messy

on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. I got to ask this question at the Super Bowl last week. They said, okay, in your golf group, I'm going to ask you the same question. So start pairing. You have a force. Right. You're one of those foursomes. You get to pick three. Who would be the three people dead or alive that you would want to play golf with? They asked me this question and I answered it, but it was hard for me to answer because I was like, well, my dad, like my mom, my father-in-law, like that would, if I had my ideal, that would be the golf group. I don't have this like raging excitement for anybody. Tiger Woods would definitely be up there, mostly because I just want to tell people I play golf with Tiger.

Woods. I was going to say that popped in my mind first. It's not like a, oh my gosh, freak out Tiger Woods. It's like, I just want to play golf alongside Tiger Woods. With a legend. You know, so I have that going for me. But if you had your ideal golf group or some, you're one of them, so you pick three people that are alive, who would it be? And it can't be family. Yeah, I was going to say, that's too easy. You have to set up. Okay. Shoot. Okay. I'll start with, I'm just going to think of a live because it's too many if you do that. Yeah. Yeah. Alive. Probably my favorite. football player, Brian Cushing. Oh, Brian Cushing. He's a stud. Yeah. Brian Cushing.

I know it's kind of like a random poll, but I was just like, he's a stud though. He's the reason why I'm, I love, I got into football. Alive, alive,

let's do, um, oh, Justin Bieber. Because you just want to talk, which is funny. I was actually in Hawaii with, um,

we were on a couple's trip with like Joey, Kelsey, and Kate and I, Charity, and Dotton. We were staying in Kuwait. Joey's old resort. He played tennis at. And so we were playing golf at a ton. And we met up with some of Joey's old friends. And guess who took a private jet to Hawaii to get a quick round in in Kauai before his

wife was about to give birth? Just the Bebes and Haley. And the buddies that we met of Joey, they were going to grab us to go, like, hang out and meet with him. And I'm trying to. I'm blanking on what happened. And I guess like Jay Bebebs only played like... She pee a little?

Katie? Like, would she freak out? She wasn't even at the course when we heard this. Yeah. Because like the guys were like, yeah, it was just... I played with Bieber like 12 times. And I go, what? Oh my gosh.

She had to be panicking. And so I call her, I go, oh my gosh, babe, you're not going to believe this. And she goes, where? Where is she? So yeah, that was just a little thing. So I would do that. So I could be like, I'm buddies with Justin Bieber. Sorry, babe.

Oh, I love that. And then last one. I guess can just be hmm I mean you said Tiger I would love to play with Tiger um I'll just go Rory

oh yeah yeah I feel like that'd be interesting to play with him we're we're out here with him right now at the Pebble Beach 18 he's a he's a former champion so he came in me one last year he's the defending his title here at Pebble Beach final question for you when it comes to golf

yeah how is your game on a scale of one to ten. Ooh. I thought you're going to ask me my handicap and it's pretty high. I'd say right, like 10 being the best. Yeah. Like, oh, I think I'm like a five. Hey, that's perfect.

We're out here. We're going to be playing here this afternoon. So excited by that. It's a wonderful course. We're playing an amazing piece of property. I guess I do have a final question for you to wrap this thing up. For listeners out there, obviously, we talked about you building a home. We talked about, you know, your life.

Just maybe in your own words, give everybody a little update on where you and Katie are at in terms of like life. How's it feeling? How's it going? Just update everybody. Yeah, a little update is just right now things are going amazing with Kate and I. We have the house a couple months away. We are planning for a family and we'll say a couple months, several months. And, you know, we're just being.

beyond excited to see what 2020s says. We say there's like a really good feeling about this year. We're both like pursuing some like exciting hobbies that we, you know, initially didn't like really want to, um, or didn't really pursue and it's just going to be an exciting year of growth. So you guys fight.

Yeah. Oh yeah. Okay. Oh, we had a fight at the airport today. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But it's like, we call them TIFs.

Yeah. Because they're like, I'm very much so like figure it out in the moment. And we do typically. So we like get it out of. of the way. Yeah. We just, my wife and I have, oh yeah. But nobody expects it because my wife is so sweet and kind and like passive. Yeah. And so we, we go to, well, we haven't done it in a while, but we, we did like a year of marriage counseling. And a lot of it was about how do we fight well.

Because I am more of like, let's figure it out. And my wife is more of a like, you're good, whatever you want, honey. And I'm like, no, I want you to. Oh. I. I want you to. Oh. I. need some like pushback here. Like tell me what's wrong. Let's get this problem solved now. Yeah, this isn't, like this isn't scary.

This isn't bad. So we've worked on it so much. But oh yeah, we do. And it's always funny because I have yet to meet a healthy married couple who does not have the ability to like go at each other a little bit well. Yes. But it's taken years of work because it used to just be,

I was like, Jessica, you have to tell me what you're thinking. You have to tell me when I make you mad. I'm going to make you mad. It's me. I make myself mad. Can't imagine what it's like living with me. But it's always healthy to hear when somebody can argue. Yes.

And yeah, and it's a work in progress. Like from the start to now, like you have to learn how to effectively fight. Yeah. Actually, effectively to come to a resolution because, I mean, yeah, every couple will fight. Yeah. And she, she's vocal. Like I know she's cute. She's vocal.

That's a great way to end it. She's cute and she's vocal. Zach, we have a great day today. Can't wait to be out there in the course with you. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for coming out to Carmel by the sea. And congratulations once again on all the really incredible updates between you and Katie. Keep us updated as you go.

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