The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Life’s a Beach

Episode Date: November 2, 2022

We have more Bachelor in Paradise and Ben & Ashley have takes hotter than the sand on the beach!   This episode we realize that NO couple is safe! Who will leave as a success story??   And Jared Haibon joins us to explain why we shouldn’t be rooting for Kate!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And that is Logan and Kate because Hayden shows up on the beach. And if you guys remember Hayden, he was the one who said to Gabby during last season that she was rough around the edges. He just kind of seemed like the guy that wasn't in it for the right reasons. I hate using that expression, but he just kind of seemed like the villain, right? He was the one who was obsessed with his golden retriever, which we're not in,

we are not making fun of him being obsessed with his golden retriever because I'm obsessed with golden retrievers when they just passed by me on the sidewalk. They're majestic, magical animals. We were obsessed with our own dogs. We could not fathom our lives without them. so because his dog is sick and has cancer, we understand why he would talk about the dog constantly.

And that's how he kind of enters this season of paradise talking about the dog. The dog is still alive. Apparently he's put like $80,000 into saving the dog's life so that he could live for an extra nine months. Again, not making fun of it. My parents spent tens of thousands of dollars saving some of our dogs in the past. for, you know, for a matter of months as well. So we get it. We're not making fun of Hayden for being in love with his dog.

I'm not. I do think six figures for another year is a lot. I do think it's a shocking amount. I don't think everybody can do that. Oh, that's what I wanted to say as well. Yeah. I don't think everybody has that luxury in life where they're able to do that. So, you know, I do think it's a shocking number.

I don't know if it's a true number, okay? Yeah. That seems quite astronomical. One of my dogs and my parents, I'll say, I think they spent about $10,000 on her chemo. Mm-hmm. But she was on chemo for quite some time, getting what I'm assuming was the treatment

that this dog would be getting. And it was $10,000, which I know is an honor, a blessing, that we were able to spend that on giving our dog about like an extra year of life. But 80,000 seems like an exaggeration. Anyway, this is not about dog care. This podcast isn't about dog care. It's about relationships.

And Hayden is trying to get one right now with Kate, who we thought Kate seemed pretty locked down with Logan, but she's not. She is down to go on this date with Hayden. She is. not because she feels fireworks. She doesn't really feel sparked after their initial conversation,

but she wants just like Eliza wanted to hear from Rodney that Logan really wants her to stay, does not want her to go out on this date, but because he doesn't do that, because like Ben said yesterday's episode, because he's trying not to be controlling, he says you can go for it. Yeah, this whole,

I don't love the language of a test. so here's here's my follow to our conversation yesterday i understand in the situation where eliza wants reassurance i understand if kate wants reassurance it's hard to tell i'm sure on the beach how interested somebody actually is in you you can say all you want you can hang out all the time but you want that that situation to exist i just don't love putting your partner or any relationship in that matter friendship parental child relationship romantic relationship to a test like intentionally testing that human i don't like that idea i don't think it's necessary and so this is where i think this one's a little different okay because

she uses the word test yeah she uses the word test and she she said yes only to make logan react uh i don't know if eliza necessarily just did it simply to get rodney's reaction because she was interested in Justin. She wanted to see if there was something there. There was some intrigue behind it. Kate only said yes to get Logan to react in some way. Ben Higgins, always realizing things. Always realizing things that I didn't.

I was like, ah, yes, parallel situations. And then you're like, no, because she, like, is legitimately saying didn't feel much. I didn't feel much with Hayden, but I'm going to go on the day anyway because Logan basically failed the test. Yeah, I just don't think it's healthy. And typically, I'm never going to, at least in my life, one, I wasn't good at tests in school. Two, I'm not good at passing tests in life. If you have an expectation for how I should behave or respond or perform, one, you're asking me to do something, be something other than who I am as a person. So you're asking me to perform for you. Two,

I'm going to probably not reach that expectation. So I'm going to get in trouble either way. I'm going to be on the bad side of this because I'm either going to say the wrong thing, not do enough things, say the right thing, but yet not show enough emotion with my body language. You just having these type of expectations feels very unhealthy. And I don't know about you, Ash, or anybody listening. When I'm dating somebody, I'm not dating them so that they can be some version of themselves that I want them to be. I'm falling in love with them because I like who they are to me at every moment, at every time, no matter what this situation. So when I say, hey, this is a test and this is how I hope you respond to it, I'm pretty much asking you to

be who I want you to be. And that's not who you fall in love with. You're not falling in love with them because they are a robot, your perfect version of who they are. Right. Right, right, right. but it also seems like in this case Logan is trying to he's trying to not be controlling which is exactly what you said in last episode he goes I've been on three dates here in Paradise to whom am I to say that she can't try another date

and is that logic not fair like is that logic not okay where he's saying wait if we're looking at like the scales here yeah I can't stop her I don't want her to But I can't stop her. And so I'm not going to try to be sit in the way of this. I just think this situation is very different than the love triangle between Justin, Rodney, and Eliza. I think that one just feels more serious.

I feel like the Kate Logan situation to me just feels more middle schoolish and petty. And it feels like in middle school where the girl that you're dating stops dating you for like a guy that you don't think is even halfway up to your quality just to get you upset. like just just to get you riled up just to see that jealousy to feel your jealousy and that jealousy is the way that you you know think that's how you're going to feel most loved i don't know yeah i do think it's funny how these guys feel like they like they think that the girl doesn't want to hear yeah yeah i want you to stay home every girl wants to hear i want you to stay home and i know that we went through this in the last episode but just by saying like i would rather you be here with me would go so far with these girls. Just like that simple statement. I wonder why these

guys aren't doing that. I think that's a question that we all have to ponder. I don't think there's a great answer to it. But why on Paradise Now does it feel like the guys do reserve those words and that emotion? See, goes back to what I initially started this conversation with yesterday. Trying to be cool. Trying to be too cool. Trying to be too cool. Yeah, maybe. Try to be cool. See, it's a combination of both of our theories. Anyway, so Hayden and Kate go on this date, and she's, like, very turned off by him because he's getting sick on the zip lines, and he's scared on the zip lines, and she's having the time of her life.

She's just not into him. I don't think she was into him ever. I don't think there was ever a chance that she was going to be into Hayden. It didn't feel like anybody down there really was. It kind of felt like she was the one person that gave him the biggest runway to ask. to go on a date by saying you should just shoot your shot see what happens but no she's not into it and in the whole date i don't know i kind of had a odd feeling about this date because they're still on a date and she's doing ITMs bad-mouthing him like wait this dude's sweating he's fearful

he's nervous i'm not into that and then he starts talking about his dog and all of that and she is like shocked by that it's like why are you still on this date like leave then If you're going to badmouth him and you're not into it, stop dragging him along here. Yeah, that's so true. Hi, my name is Enya Emanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Jared just walked in. Jared, who hasn't seen either of these episodes, goes, I have an opinion. I've seen some. Wait, what? You watch? I watched a clip. Hold on.

I don't know. I just heard it from the other room. I'm so starting to interrupt, but I have a passionate feeling about this. 10 seconds. Ben, love you, buddy. Love you, dude. But it's the whole. Do you have food in your mouth?

Yes, I had a big. the whole Logan and Kate yeah dude it's just so annoying because he chose Kate over cheney still don't know why but he did

and then she's going to have the audacity to say oh I'm going to not only talk to this guy on the side but tell him to pursue me and when he does the only reason I want that is because I want Logan

to tell me not to go and if Logan tells me not to go then I won't go. And then Logan is understandably self-aware enough to be like, listen, I'm not going to tell her not to go on the date, so I'm going to be understanding and respectful. And it's like, dude, Kate, come on now. Kate's just not a very rudable character.

Well, it's just, I'm more like, I hate that. Like, oh, I'm going to say yes because I want you to tell me not to go. And it's like, oh, come on. He already, like, can we not play these games? He's known you for three days. Like, you guys are not in a two-year relationship. Like, just Kate, if you want to be with Logan, let him know.

And Logan, if you want to be with Kate, just let them know. Don't do this song and dance. Anyway, those are my thoughts. Love you both. I think it was a great thought. I don't know. It's a good thought. Thanks, babe. I like that he's that passionate that he feels like he needs to walk in and say,

hey, I just don't get it. And here's the deal. We don't get it either. It's a weird scenario. It's not a lot of making sense down there in Paradise right now. This episode didn't make a lot of sense. Not from a production standpoint, not from a viewer's standpoint, but from a relationship standpoint, it feels like a lot.

when it feels like a lot of these relationships are now back up in the air again. And I don't know why. I thought we were moving our way towards engagements. Yeah. All right. Well, let's go towards the other live triangle now. Eliza's love triangle with Justin and Rodney.

And look, this is when the cast gets really vocal about their thoughts. And they are so team Rodney. Michael says Rodney treated her like a gentleman. They say that he's, the one that is going to actually be serious about her, like, in the real world. Justin's not ready for this. Like, Genevieve, we all know she hates Justin now. She's like, he's arrogant

and egotistical and he's not ready for commitment. It's like so crazy how everybody who really seems to be friends with Justin in real life, like his guy gang, you know, the squad from Katie's season. They're all like, no, we are rooting for Rodney here. There were some parts of where I was like, oh my gosh, like it was Andrew. When Andrew said that Justin was not the right pick, that Rodney was the right pick. That made me feel like, wow, those guys hang out in real life all the time. This might be a little awkward when he sees this ITM interview. Well, I think some of it has to do with the fact that who Rodney's been to Eliza in paradise and who, you know, and how committed he's been and how consider he's been and how it intentionally was. And also I think

there's a weight that we have to consider where they saw Rodney have a really hard conversation with Lays. And they knew that that was difficult on him and her. And that he did it because he believed there was something with Eliza there. And I mean, Rodney's mentioned it a few times. He kind of mentioned it here. I wouldn't be surprised if amongst the men, Rodney has already been speaking, like, I think Eliza is the one for me in life. I think she's my wife. And I think we're part. And so all of a sudden to have this switch up and these guys are like, wait, Rodney yesterday was telling us that he thinks they might get engaged into this and now she's on a date with Justin that's crushing for Rodney he has so much more emotion built into this already and I think

that's me where it's coming from too is just you know I got to protect my buddy here and my buddy is hurting bad it's crazy because Justin and Rodney are also super close and we don't often see the love trying with people who are as close as them so they do sit down and talk Justin tells Rodney that he's a mix of emotions since he's going kind of like head to head with him. He says he wants to see where Rodney is at and how awkward this is. Rodney says that yesterday was a roller coaster of emotions since he was excited to see him come back, but obviously tremendously upset to see him take Eliza out. And Justin says he's in the same boat.

He doesn't want to like stress out Eliza. And then Rodney says the damage is done. and this is the situation they're in. He's not necessarily shitting on Justin when he says that. What he's almost like doing is shitting on himself because he's like, I was the one who should have said, please don't go on the date. But it's too late to do that.

She's already gone on the date with both of them and she's now already confused. Then Rodney and Eliza sit down and we have a very heartfelt conversation where Rodney admits I should have just told you to stay home that I see this great potential between the two of us but I didn't want to, you know, control you. I wanted you to, like, have whatever opportunity you wanted.

And Rodney asked if she wouldn't have gone if he said he didn't want her to go. And she said, no, that's what I wanted to hear. I wanted you to say, I don't want you to go. But now she says she needs to see how badly he wants her and not to. just hear how badly he wants her. And Rodney leaves the conversation by saying that that is something that he can actually change. Like he can actually show her.

So now it's a matter of Rodney kind of like figuring out how to show her. And I also am interested in that. Is that planning at home dates? Is that not showing any interest in any other girl? What do you think that is, Ben? I think it's not having interest in the other girl. I mean, I think that's obvious. Yeah.

I trust him so much. I mean, yeah. I think, and I, I want to ask you, I don't even know how many weeks now they've been in paradise, total. I don't know if this is like week six of being down there or two and they've just. Oh, geez. I'm going to say that they've probably been down there for 15, 16, 16 days. It's just a raw guess. It's so wild to me. I feel like I've watched all 16 days

on television. You basically have. It's almost a day for day at this season. But I think at this point, yeah, this relationship, I just don't think there's interest elsewhere. I think the interest is committed to. I thought we were getting farther along where like engagements were going to be happening next week, quite honestly. And so I thought these relationships were super solidified. And I thought that actually because in this week proved us wrong. You asked last week on the episode, do you think we'll see any other people show up to paradise? Or do you think we're done with the new newbies coming on the beach? And we didn't know because we really don't know the time frame of this season. It's stretched out. Well, obviously we see new people come this week and obviously

with Justin last week. So I thought we were farther along. And so I just, in my head, I've been creating these stories that we are getting to the end of this. And I'm watching these couples like this is the end. Remember? You said that you didn't. didn't think anybody else was coming in. Yeah. Yeah. So, no, I think, I think at this point, I'm, I don't know how to gauge where relationships are at and where minds are at. And if they're still interested in dating other people or going on other dates or not, because I just don't know how far how long we are. Yeah. Well, I think the next scene, I'm, I'm curious as to know that if the next scene where Justin and Eliza are making out on one of the beach beds was filmed

before her conversation with Rodney or after. It was quite jarring. to see after the conversation which is why I don't know it's totally fine if she did go and make out with Justin right after that conversation but I feel like

it was probably I don't know my guess is that it happened beforehand it just seems like too of an emotional of a conversation to go and just be like ah okay well how brutal is it though during her conversation with Rodney

where she ends that one and says can you give me a hug Oh god Whoops Then negate what I just said If she's hugging Rodney She might be going over And kissing Justin after that conversation

It's not good It's not a good sign for Rodney It's also Odd to me I don't know how you got to explain this to me It's odd to me if Eliza was really only wanting Rodney to step up and say Hey I just wanted you to be here with me

That's how much I care about you that one date with Justin, a date that she went on, not as a test, it was out of interest and it was out of intrigue, but also in the back of her mind hoping that Rodney would stop her, that one date with Justin, no matter how well it went, would cause her the next day to have a conversation with Rodney where he says, no, I wanted you here. And I messed up by not telling you that. And I want this to be something so special in all the things he was saying, that she would be so still thrown off by him not stopping her from going on this date that she would just

that she would have no interest in Ronnie what I'm saying here what I'm trying to my point is is I think they're I think she's saying that she wanted Rodney to stop her but now I'm not convinced she did I think she wanted to go on the date with Justin

I think she was into Justin I think Justin showed up the beach and I think at that from that moment forward she was interested in Justin and that it was right and it was Justin on her mind. I think that you're probably right.

Rodney definitely likes her more than she likes him. And I think she's quite torn. Yeah. I actually, I see her going back to Rodney, I think, but I think she's going to have fun with Justin for a little bit. I think it's kind of like a Victoria Johnny situation. I think like ultimately, you know, where they're going to end up. but they need to kind of fully explore the other option first.

I hope so. I hope we have that much time. Again, this whole thing is a question of time. How much time do they have left on the beach? We don't really know at this point. And so it's all a question of time. Do we have enough time for her to explore Justin,

have fun with Justin? Is Rodney going to be able to be around long enough? Like, is he going to find a date or a rose to stick around so that that can be explored or not? There's so many questions with this relationship. Hi, my name is Enya Humanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.

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Tennis is full of compelling stories of late. Have you heard about Icon Venus Williams' recent wildcard bids or the young Canadian, Victoria Mboko, making a name for herself. How about Naomi Osaka getting back to form? To hear this and more, listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain, an Iheart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever. You get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of I Heart Women's Sports. I don't write songs. God write songs. I take dictation. I didn't even know you've been a pastor for over 10 years.

I think culture is any space that you live in that develops you. On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell, Grammy winning producer, pastor, and music executive to talk about the beats, the business, and the legacy behind some of the biggest names in gospel, R&B, and hip-hop. This is like watching Michael Jackson talk about Thurley before it happened. Was there a particular moment where you realize just how instrumental music culture was to shaping all of our global ecosystem? I was eight years old, and the Motown 25 special came on.

And all the great Motown artists, Marvin, Stevie Wonder, Temptations, Diana Raw. From Mary Mary to Jennifer Hudson, we get into the soul of the music and the purpose that drives it. Listen to Culture raises us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast. or wherever you get your podcasts. Just like great shoes, great books take you places. Through unforgettable love stories and into conversations

with characters you'll never forget. I think any good romance, it gives me this feeling of like butterflies. I'm Danielle Robe, and this is bookmarked by Reese's Book Club. The new podcast from Hello Sunshine and IHeart Podcasts, where we dive into the stories that shape us

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Think you could do it? It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that they could land the plane with the help of air traffic control. And they're saying like, okay, pull this. Do this. Pull that. Turn this. It's just... I can do it my eyes close. I'm Manny. I'm Noah. This is Devin. And on our new show, no such thing. We get to the bottom of questions like these. Join us as we talk to the leading expert on overconfidence. Those who lack expertise lack the expertise they need to recognize that they lack expertise. And then as we try the whole thing out for real. Wait, what?

Oh, that's the run right. I'm looking at this thing. See? Listen to no such thing on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I have a question. What's up? You know how I was saying that Andrew and Justin and Rodney always are hanging out in real life? Yeah.

Now I got to go look back on old footage and see if they have if Rodney and Justin have been hanging out since Paradise. Because I think that Justin could probably hang out with Rodney if things don't work out with him and Eliza. But I don't think that Rodney could hang out with Justin. No, how could you, because what happens in the night that Justin says, hey, Eliza is going to come with us. tonight to the bar. And Rodney's like, oh, cool. Like, I'm out. I'm not doing that.

Okay. Well, I'm so curious. So curious to see where this ends up. Next up we have Justin and Joey, the twins that were eliminated on night one of Gabby and Rachel's season come in. They're silly men. I thought they were. You thought they were?

Is your opinion changed? Yeah. It's changed in this episode when they're kissing on everybody. and the dates seem to be flourishing. Now I'm going, wait, these guys were kind of like funny and young and, you know, they even showed up to the beach and it's a little awkward with them and Jesse and, you know, we've had it on the podcast,

but like they're very nice. But then they showed to the beach, Ash, they start talking to people and the guys are giving them no credit. Like, these guys are wasting their time kind of stuff. And then they ask, you know, Chenet and Florence to go on these dates. Florence is all in because she's like I don't have anybody really here

and Chenet shockingly says yes and Jacob's going to be sitting back on the beach again wondering what in the world his life has became and the date's funny it looks fun it looks like a fun date to be on they're having a good time

the underlying tone of this though is obviously these guys are 24 the two ladies they ask to go with them are in their 30s and Florence has a brother who's 28, which I don't even know why that's relevant. Yeah, why is that the thing? Because she's 30.

So, of course, she's going to have a brother around that age. But as the date progresses, we see these guys leaning into it, having fun with it, and at the end of the date, Cheney's making out. And so is Florence. Sheenae's making out with Joey.

Florence is making out with Justin. They're both talking about the connections they have. They're talking about how great the dates it became. Sheenae even says, hasn't had as deep of a connection the entire time as she's had with Joey and says that she feels totally different about this date than the other one she's been on. So yes, my perception has changed. I thought they were there for just some entertainment for an episode and we'd see something silly happen. But now I'm going, these guys might be around for a bit. They might have something

here. I don't know. Could you imagine a Shaday leaves with one of the twins? I mean, after this date, you kind of feel like that's maybe what they're like pointness towards. Well, another fun thing to watch out for, for sure. I bet we don't get to see them come back, but I bet Jacob is just going to be like distraught. I bet poor, poor dude is going to be like, I don't know what my life has became.

How in the world did this happen? I was just making fun of this dude, which now, you know, they're just, Jacob doesn't look too good for that for, you know, being a joke. And now they're taking my girl. Well, Jacob, I don't think that he's feeling serious with Sheney. You?

Serious enough to still be there with her. Okay. He's been changing ladies every week. Well, this is his, Shanae was his choice last week. So, yeah, I don't know. But this was a shocker to me. I think it's going to be a shocking moment for most people that watch are going to go, you know, the twins are here, Joey and Justin, coming down to the beach, doing their thing. ha ha ha and then all of a sudden at the end episode we're like oh crap wow they did it they did it good for them

all right the next big thing the last big thing we have to really touch on with this episode is Aaron and Genevieve drama it's how does it even come about they're talking about the future they both want to have

like to de-stress and have a good time and Genevieve says that she's falling in love with Aaron and is excited to tell him how she's feeling. So Genevieve tells Rodney that Aaron needs to spend time with her as a couple and not as much around the bros. And that's something that we all know. Aaron loves broing out. Aaron talks to the boys about animals.

And Aaron asked Genevieve as she's okay. And basically she's like, I've been trying to spend time with you. And he, you could just tell. that she's like kind of starting the argument and Aaron's like are you really doing this um why you coming at me you know um and Aaron's like don't make me feel weird for grabbing a beer with somebody and making me feel like I'm neglecting you and Victoria is like oh god this is here here the here a fight goes and Aaron's like saying that he's frustrated because he's feeling like he's

done everything right and she's making it seem like he's doing something right. wrong. He's like, she's the only girl that gets mad at her guy for like having bro time. Ben, what else you have to say about this situation? I mean, I think it goes back to what we were talking about yesterday. Yeah, 1,000% is the exact same situation, but extended. Extended. I can't say who's right and wrong here.

I don't, I mean, I personally, it is not something I enjoy to be told kind of. of at a micro level like where I should be and what I should be doing, especially when I'm on a beach, right? I'm on vacation. I just got back from Mexico, for example. If I'm sitting on the beach with my wife reading a book and I just want to get up and go hang out my buddies at the pool bar, like all it takes is me telling my wife, hey, I'm going to go hang out with so and so at the pool bar. If she really wanted me there and she said, no, I'm really enjoying our time here. I would say, okay. I would only say okay, because that's not. not something that Jessica asks of me often. I know it would be something that she really

desires and it's very special to her that we're sitting on the beach together for whatever reason at that moment. I wouldn't like to be always nervous that my wife is going to be or my girlfriend or partner is going to be like micromanaging me and where I'm spending my time and who I'm spending my time with. Like that is it like we've built in that trust. We've built in that relationship where she knows that I'm going to try to be around and be the best partner possible for the love languages that she needs. And then also, I'm going to use my guy time to have guy time to like take a deep breath. So I watch this and I was like Genevieve a little bit much.

However, I don't think Aaron's reaction was great either. I don't think he responded in a way that was helpful and healthy to the relationship at hand. Again, sorry, guys, if you didn't listen to his episode, but so much of that content rolls over into this episode. yeah they do had that passion that kind of relationship where they fight often but the passion gets them back together which depending on the people i guess it can be healthy or not healthy it's probably not the healthy i don't know you know what i mean there's just they're like that couple right yeah and at the end of the episode Aaron says you're very special to me jennaby says i'm falling in love and he's falling in love with him she he's falling in love with her

two. And then she even says that she can see a ring on her finger at the end of this. My goodness. But yet, yet minutes earlier in the episode, she's packing her bags. Or she wants to go pack her bags. Well, Victoria had a good line there. She said, sometimes you just need to threaten to pack your to leave. And then, uh, and then everything comes back. I mean, I'm glad they're where they're at. I get kind of going off last episode also. I don't know if this is healthy or not. I don't know where this ends up. I, if this continues this way, where every other day Genevieve is threatening to leave and she wants

to leave. It's just going to take one of those moments for Aaron to say, go ahead and go then, and who knows where it ends up. It's not going to be in a good place. Let's be honest. If you have fights like this early on, it's not going to be easy long term. It's not going to be worth it long term.

It'd be exhausting. But, you know, yeah, it'd be tiring. So at least it is to me and my personal preferences for relationships. It would be exhausting. Yeah. But that's how the episode ends. They're back together. There's not a lot of conclusion on anything else. We see these relationships still in flux. We see those relationships that were strong, really not at all during this episode. And Aaron and Genevieve are still going to keep going. We'll wait and see what happens with

Justin and Joey. We don't really know. So next week has a lot to unpack in the four hours that we'll be able to watch it. And I'm excited to watch it because I do think there's relationships that are getting stronger that we need to pay attention to. And I'm just super curious to see what happens with the Eliza Rodney and Justin's storyline. Really, really excited. And pulling for Rodney, of course. Okay. Well, guys, until next week, we love you so much.

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