The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Live in the Vineyard with Cassie Randolph, Katie Morton and Joe & Kendall

Episode Date: November 4, 2019

We’re live from Napa for the Live in the Vineyard and Bachelor Nation is joining us!Cassie gives us an update on how things are going with Colton and we hear about what it was like making the music video for "Famous" by Adam Doleac together. Katie Morton opens up about her relationship with Chris B. and lets us in on some secrets that we’ve never heard before.And Grocery Store Joe and Kendall Long tell us about a brand new way to date, the Seen dating app.   Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcast with IHart Radio. Oh, we're going to miss Ashley so much on this podcast, but I promise you it's going to be a podcast that comes up with some dirt, some juice, and some really good experiences. We're sitting live. I mean, we're live at the vineyard in Napa Valley right now at the Carnaris Resort. We want to say thank you to the Carnaris Resort for hosting us. We're sitting up on top of the rooftop in a beautiful, I don't know what you call this thing. Tori, do you know what we call this thing? A gazebo.

It's a gazebo. I was going to say gazebo. Yeah, it's a gazebo. This gazebo is beautiful. It's magical. And we're talking to some of Bachelor nation's favorites right now. But this live in the Vineyard Music Festival, you've heard us talk about it before. It's one of my favorite things of the year.

And this year does not disappoint. We're going to have Aver Levine, Kelsey Ballerini, Marin Morris, Adam Lamber, and many more at this year's festival. So if you're ever in Napa, you're looking for a time of year to come, you're looking for a place to stay, say at the Carnaris Resort during the season of the Live and the Vineyard Music Festival is worth it. On this podcast, we're going to have Joe and Kendall. Yeah, Joe and Kendall, the ones. We're going to talk to them about their scene dating app, but right now we have a really, really special guest. Katie Moe is in the house. Hey. Katie, I'm going to start. I'm going to introduce you here. So I, you've had your time on Bachelor in Paradise and The Bachelor. And recently I had a friend that I was talking to. And they told me just how much they appreciate you and love you as a human. And I mentioned it before on the podcast when you're on the show. I was like, that girl, I know she's a solid person because of her eyes. Like you can with the eyes that you have, you can't hide.

anything like you can see right through them katie thanks for coming on the podcast thank you i'm so glad to be here and that's so kind um i mean i'd like to say they are honest eyes i think they are uh katie you've also spent some time in denver recently we're going to get into it you're still dating chris right yeah so engaged to chris still engaged yeah but we date we go on dates i mean i think we're all dating when we're engaged i mean honestly we're dating um engaged we just had to start with little update, but let's talk about you first. Katie, obviously your life has changed fairly quickly in the last two years. Can you just give a brief rundown of what are some of the positives and negatives to where your life has taken you? Well, oh my gosh, it's been one year

total. It's wild. Wild. Positives and negatives. Well, in a positive aspect, I've grown to know a lot about myself, a lot more. I always thought that I was I'm very self-aware, but you'll quickly learn that you have a lot more to learn about yourself. So I've learned that I'm a lot of the times a mediator between my friends and that I am an over-empathizer at times too. What does that mean? I empathize to a fault sometimes to where sometimes I, I don't know, I'm just generally an emotional person, but I will empathize. to where I try to, I'm a fixer. I try to fix everything for everybody and that will exhaust me in the end.

So just learning to prioritize myself over this past year has been super important because I always put everyone before me before in my life. And now I'm learning, I'm really learning to say no to things. That was my big thing in October. I did sober October and then I also tried to practice saying no because I used to get really sad about not being able to make it to. something someone asked me to go to or showing up for someone. And I realized if I just keep overexerting myself, I'm going to start showing up as someone who I'm not. And that's a frustrated

person. That's a person who is very reactionary. So in order to show up as my best self, I'm going to have to say no and let them down in that moment so that in other moments when they need me, I can show up better. This is one of the most interesting things about like coming on the bachelor. And I think you're pointing to it has all this kind of came about because of your time on the shows and the pressures that it's put on you? 100%. Um, yeah,

there also weren't this many opportunities to say no to this many things before. Um, and you know, some of the negatives have, there's negatives and positives in everything. And I like to say that with negatives come change and with change brings growth. And growth is always positive. Um,

but it's, still I guess some of the negatives would be I don't know I'm trying to think of negatives it's hard it's hard because I for the most part anything that seemed like and I'll tell you okay a negative I struggled with depression a lot coming off of the show so that's something that's very and that's a vulnerable piece of me that I don't typically share I don't even really share that on my social media so there you go but I've struggled with depression coming off of the show and that's something that struggled with before but when you have a larger audience it seems a little bit more daunting sometimes or like it's a heavier weight so um for me surrounding myself with the best family and like i have

the best family to as a support system and the best of friends so being open and honest with them when i am ever struggling helps me crawl out of things real fast um so those are some negatives just deep, whatever I've experienced, it seems, even happy moments are accelerated and sad moments are heightened as well. So the negatives would be that some of those sadder moments have been amplified. But other than that, the happy moments are so great. So it's hard to say. When you do feel down and out, a lot of our listeners ride in and they have, they struggle

with depression or they just, I think a lot of people right now are feeling like outsiders kind of looking in and especially to this world that you and I both operated and people watch and they go oh if I could only be like Katie if I could only be as elegant or whatever as Katie was or is and you would say to them what well it's hard to just say one thing but I would say to them and what I've said to a lot of my friends is the grass is not always greener and that's something that in this world especially now with social media is hard to get out of your mind sometimes you think if I only had this or if I could do that my life would be blank and sometimes just just not the case because with opportunities and with exposure comes great

responsibility and um a lot of things that you might not foresee when you're looking because you can't see big picture when you're outside of it um but i would just say the grass isn't always greener and also just appreciate and stay present to where you are now and appreciate all the things you have now um i guess that's as far as i can really go there's so many things i could say but grass is always greener is a really good one i want to talk about your relationship with chris and and how great the engaged life is or i don't know maybe how great it isn't but before we do do. Let's take a break and hear from one of our sponsors. Hi, my name is Enya Humanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called

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I don't know to point on them. Because I've been waiting for you to come on the podcast and listeners out there will be go, yeah, I knew Ben wanted to ask this. I forgot about that. So there's a scene

on Bachelor in Paradise where you're kind of talking, I forget with you if it was with Chris or was a guy. And everything you were saying was not making sense. Oh, you mean, Wills?

Wills. That was the scene. And I watched it and I was like, I know Katie, I've met Katie. I've never had this experience with Kay but I remember going on the podcast like that scene like was Wonkers walkers what was happening if you were if you were drinking too much I get it I've been there

If it was if it was just like you couldn't get your words out I get it I've been there I have to know Katie what was happening I am going to straight up tell you it was a mix of things Yeah of course we had had drinks for sure there was alcohol in my system but I wouldn't say I was wasted by any means yeah I'm also narcoleptics, so I get really tired, and we pull late nights there. So I'm just like a little kid who needs a nap. Even during the day, I'm like that. So by that time, I don't even know what was happening. And then I'm going to tell you the truth.

At that point, I had just gotten out of an interview about how I didn't want to be with Will's. Okay. And I thought Will's knew that. And so then right after that interview, he pulls me aside to do this little date card thing. And I'm like, oh, no. He doesn't get it. And in my head, I just was overthinking it. I was like, oh, no, they're going to make, they're going to make him look like I'm saying that I'm going to friend zone him.

And then I come here and, like, he's doing this for me. Like, oh, my gosh, this is horrible. And I guess I wasn't being clear, the part, I guess you didn't see. I wasn't being clear enough with him telling him I don't really want to do this and my producer was like, this isn't look clear. Yeah.

So then when they're like, this isn't clear, I'm like, I really got to just be cut throat here. And so that mix of tired, a couple glasses of wine, now I know I have to like maybe hurt someone's feelings

and I just talked about them. It was a mix of just like, I cannot handle this. Uh-huh. And I just started speaking in gibberish. I was like, I don't know. while we walk gotta get out of here panic mode my body went into malfunction and i needed to reboot yeah okay

so here's something uh it's relatable because the the one of the negatives i think about being on the show is you always have to be on and there's moments in life where like it is 11 o'clock at night you're tired you've had a big day and you do start to talk gibberish like you you have to go to bed but you haven't yet for whatever reason but this is your moment and it's on television vision oh my gosh it was confusing i was like i remember coming on the pocket i don't know what i just watched that was the wildest thing i've ever seen but now it makes sense and it's completely relatable yeah and it's funny because before that i had wills had done other date cards for me okay so it was it looks like it was the first time yeah that he was pulling me aside and people are like well katie it's not that deep but to me in my mind i was like oh we've already done a couple of little tiny baby dates. Yeah.

So I thought, and I always think it's a bigger deal, over empathetic. Uh-huh. I was like, I'm crushing him. But he wasn't that crush. You know what I mean? Like, it wasn't that deep, but I was like, oh, no, I'm going to break his heart. And it made me sad. That's funny.

Yeah. So, like, you're like, oh, my gosh, this poor man is going to be distraught. And he's like, all right, well, this just doesn't work. Yeah. And he's like, oh, it's cool. And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. Is it cool?

You know. Katie, we got to talk about Will's for a second. It's been one of the mysteries. Our listeners continue to write in, and they send these emails to us. Why is Will's still single? Why does he go on these shows, and he doesn't end up with somebody? I don't know Will's personally. Yeah.

What is some of the reasons, or what did you see in Will's that said, all right, this isn't going to work for me? I'm a little bit more of like a, the first few days of paradise. I was really bouncy and jumpy and happy, and I think going into it, Will's had an idea of a couple people he liked, and I know that my happiness was something that was attractive to him, but he got really down on himself in paradise, or at least it seemed to me that he looked defeated, and it didn't come off to me as inviting. so I don't know it just wasn't an instant thing for me yeah and he's a really great guy and he's actually really really funny and but there was just some things that were off for me so yeah well it has been a mystery I think it's going to always be a mystery in vaccination on how wills does it end up with somebody but once again you have ended up with somebody and I want to talk

about that but let's take a break Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psycho babble.

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Our new Super Secret Bestie is the divo of the people. The deep of the people. I'm just like text your ex. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot, go and touch it. Go and figure it out for yourself. Okay. That's us. That's us.

My name is Curley. And I'm Maya. In each episode, we'll talk about love, friendship, heart breaks, men, and of course, our favorite secrets. Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club as a part of the Michael Thura podcast network available on the IHeartRadio app, podcast or wherever you get your podcast. What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth? Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced.

He said, you are a number, a New York state number, and we own you. Shock incarceration, also known as boot camps, are short-term, highly regimented correctional programs that mimic military basic training. These programs aim to provide a shock of prison life, emphasizing strict discipline, physical training, hard labor, and rehabilitation programs. Mark had one chance to complete this program and had no idea of the hell awaiting him the next six months. The first night was so overwhelming and you don't know who's next to you.

And we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything. Listen to shock incarceration on the I-Hifference. Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Ed. Everyone say, hello, Ed. Hello, Ed. From a very rural background myself, my dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin.

So, like, it's not, like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian. with a story that no one expected to hear. Well, 22nd of July 2015,

a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Janica Lopez, and in the new season of the Overcover podcast, I'm taking you on an exciting journey of self-reflection.

Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time? I wanted to be successful on my own, not just because of who my mom is. Like, I felt like I needed to be better or work twice as hard as she did. Join me for conversations about healing and growth. Life is freaking hard. And growth doesn't happen in comfort.

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because I felt like you had really high moments some like really low moments like you know the Will's conversation I was like I know you feel like you're crushing him some confusing conversations I didn't know if you and Chris were going to work at the end and then you did walk our listeners through

this experience for you because we just watched it and kind of like I felt like every week I was up and down with you was it like that in real life it was one it was like that in real life um for me for Chris he said he felt more solid about us the whole time but you also have to understand that for me there was a point where Chris went on a date with Jen and then Chris doesn't come back until that rose ceremony because he was sick yeah um so I was like oh oh it's going to be a toss up guys like here we go we're waiting we're who's he going to pick um because I hadn't gotten a chance to talk to him that week yeah so and

then throughout that you know there were times where chris would open up and i felt that we took leaps and then there were times where he felt he was opening up so much he would kind of shut down from it all and he's been on this show for a long time and i think he would feel emotions starting to come back and he would start pulling back and retreat retreat and i was like where's this guy going oh no what's happening now um now our relationship's taking steps back so there was a huge roller coaster going on while in paradise um and also we were kind of chill and not moving at first we weren't moving fast enough for everyone i think um and it's not that i make relationships move fast for people or not it's just that's how for tv purposes they didn't show a lot of us because we were boring in the beginning

because we were just friends getting to know each other not making out just having like conversations about general family and friends by the pool. So it wasn't something they really wanted to show because they had a lot more juicy drama ready and available. But it did feel like a rollercoaster of emotions up until the very end when I started feeling very solid about us. And then right, it was right about the week before Fantasy Suite is when I was like, this is really happening.

Like, right, I think, I think it's going to be a thing. thing and then fantasy sweet night comes and it's not about what exactly goes down in the fantasy suite but all night you have no mics you have a lot of freedom and we stayed up all night ordered as much room service as possible and laughed and talked all night long and I sat there and thought wow this could be my husband this is crazy but I was smiling thinking this is crazy and it became very real but then Oh, before Fantasy Suite, we had that talk on the beach. And that was Chris having a little PTSD moment and struggling with a lot of anxiety,

which is something that a lot of people struggle with. This self-sabotaging behavior, which I did in the beginning. Then I felt really solid about him, fought for him. And then he had some self-sabotaging behavior in the end. It was like, what if it doesn't work tomorrow? He said something like that to me. I don't know if it played. I think it did.

He said something like, what if it doesn't work tomorrow? We might as well end it now if it's not going to work tomorrow. And I said, that's not how you do things in life. You don't just not try because it doesn't, because it may not work tomorrow. Do you want this to work today? Do you want to be with me tomorrow? How do you feel about me as a person? And he's like, I want it to work.

I want it to work for a long time. Like, I want to be with you. I'm like, well, that's the answer to your question. It's not what if it gets worse tomorrow. Because if we keep harping and worrying about the what ifs, we're going to to push everything away that's good for us in this life because we're worrying about it being possibly failing was it all coming from a place of how much he like now that you look back on it is was it all coming from a place of how much he cared about you I believe so at the time it looked

like he's not for sure like from the from a viewer standpoint is like I don't think he's full into this totally looking back do you think it was because he cared about you too much he was scared i think that looking back and looking back now i think after the show even a month after when i watched that i i lived it then i watched it and i'm like he wasn't sure and i thought that to myself forever and that's why even on the reunion i was like i felt desperate watching it back because i felt it a little bit while i was there because while i was there he was like i want someone who's going to be solid about me and fight for me and so what did i do i was solid about him and I fought for him but then he kept retreating and it was very confusing to me and to be

honest I'm still our relationship is not perfect I'm still navigating a lot of we're still navigating a lot of things together because that's what you do but it helped us to communicate what happened while we we had to rehash everything about while we were there after we watched it because I we both felt like we relived it a little bit, especially me. And that was a little bit of a mistake on my part, because I know how much of stuff is edited. And I can't just watch back everything and take that at face value and possibly blame him for some things that could be edited or whatever the case may be. But I think it also stemmed from true feelings that were inside me while I was there. I did feel a little bit of desperation while I was there because I was giving so much more than at that time I felt he was

And that's how it looked on to you from a viewer standpoint. Yeah. Then the last time I saw you in person was at the reunion show. I was getting ready to go on to be announced as the Bachelor Live tour host. And I was sitting out in my trailer and I set up out and I see you and I go, oh, I want to go say out of Katie. And then I realized that there's four cameras circling you and Chris is standing probably 15 foot from you with his back turned. Yep. I at the time didn't know what was happening because I hadn't seen.

I wasn't in the show. I hadn't been inside watching it yet. It was a moment for me where I thought maybe this was all over. Me too. I was going to ask, did you think so too? So, and this is interesting. I haven't talked about any of this yet, really. So it's hard for, so much has happened then and up until now that all of these pauses I'm taking are me thinking back.

But in that moment particularly, I felt defeated. I felt part of me felt sad that I, you know, aired some of our dirty laundry. But then part of me felt that we were on a reality TV show and this was me being 100% real. And it was just this battle within myself and with each other. I was frustrated in that moment too because I had talked to Chris about things that we had talked about on the stage that you didn't get to see. And I was overall very confused that day. I think it was a day full of confusion. It was full of hurt. I didn't want it to end the way it did. And I think that something in me, it obviously had gotten to a point that was, I wish I could have sat up there and said how happy I was. I really, really do.

Because I totally would have. I'm so typically I'm bouncing around everywhere and just hugging everybody. and I wanted to do that so badly. But when Chris Harrison started asking me those questions, I was like, shoot, I can't, I can't. I want to, I can't. That was a decision up on stage when you were sitting there. Chris starts asking you these questions. And at that point, you go, if I'm going to be true to myself and true to my relationship and true to the story that's been shown for months, I can't fake these answers. Well, Chris, my Chris, sorry, there's two Chris's.

my Chris B knew about my dissatisfaction disatisfaction in the relationship at that time um but I think he thought that I could kind of push through it and we were separated in trailers that day we didn't get to spend any time together and I know a lot of the couples do um and I had all day to think you know Katie, are you going to go up there and just be happy and, you know, just like let things try and make things better. And I had been trying to make things better and trying to communicate my feelings the entire time. And nothing was getting better. So I said, I mean, I owe it to myself and everybody else to just tell the truth. And it was nothing bad against Chris in my mind. I didn't want anyone to go against Chris. And boy, did people go against him. And that made me feel so

guilty. I housed so much guilt after that because that wasn't my intention. My intention was to say, hey, this is where we're at right now. It's not great. And I want it to be good, but this is what I'm getting. And I just want a little bit more. And I think you guys have seen a pretty true, true depiction of our story for the most part. And this is where we're at right now. And I wanted to be honest. And I thought Chris would agree, but he was a little bit more shocked than I expected. And um it it put a little fire under both of our asses to really put more effort into this relationship but it also was a a bit of a shock for a while so the system i you know i i think there is something to be said about those moments of clarity and intention i i think it's unique to have it done on

uh national television but i also think the world can't compare because not everybody has that opportunity and for a viewer i was i mean i guess glad it happened because it helped me understand you and chris a little better um i think as as a friend i think it was also something i was nervous about because i i walked out and i was like this is done like chris i saw chris turn around i hadn't seen chris in a while and he just kind of walked past me he said hey ben what's up and i was like that's not the normal reaction i would get from him if if this was all good and i saw you and you waved and you took off on a golf cart i think and katy so all of this is the last time I saw you. Wow. Where are you at now? Wow. All of this was the last time you saw me.

Oh, man. I feel like I just had to just dig so deep. We are so much better now. We're not perfect. We're never going to be perfect. I'm never going to be. I, my relationship with Chris is definitely different than any other relationship I've ever had. But different isn't bad. It something for me, I think that there was a part of me that was a little immature in a sense to expect it to be like something I've had in the past. That's not what love is. And I had to take a step back and say, you know what, Katie, like you fell in love with Chris for Chris. Chris isn't going to be all of a sudden lovey-dovey. Chris isn't going to be all of a sudden lovey-dovey. Chris being sick put a lot of wedges in our relationship at first. And I'll go back to that because

this is why it's sometimes very hard for me to explain where we're at and how we got here. When he came off the show, we were still navigating him being sick. And because he was sick, literally the day after our engagement, he was thrown up. And see, that's it. And I want to pause you there because Chris and I have talked about this on the podcast because I was sick through my whole time being the bachelor. That's when I lost like 35 pounds and I had the parasite and I couldn't like stay at the bathroom. Like I was so sick and it affected my whole experience as well. So Chris and I have related on this and I know this of how difficult it is when you don't feel good to then date well. So right. So you get that now too. So and he was trying to be this man about it and not

communicate with me how bad he was feeling. So he was just like, I don't feel that well and would shut off a little bit. And I'm like, we just got engaged. We're sitting in this beautiful resort in this penthouse suite to ourselves. And he's just chilling in the bathroom throwing up for two days and I'm staring at the ceiling. So I'm like, oh my God, does he regret everything he just did? Yeah. And it puts these little, and since he's not communicating it with me or how bad he feels or I I think I need help or I think I essentially the relationship was still so new. I'm like, oh my God, this guy is sick because he's probably anxious at the fact that he just proposed to me.

Of course. Yeah. Then that's what in my head I started thinking. And then even because even being sick affected the intimacy of the relationship. And so then the physical part of our relationship kind of was going out of the window. You know, it makes so much sense now. Like how could you be physical? When you want to throw up every second or when he feels.

feels like his heart is fluttering. And, but he wouldn't tell me he wanted to throw up every second. He wouldn't tell me he felt like his heart was doing this weird flutter. And because I didn't know that and because he would just stare off, he would get cold when he felt really ill. And he would say, don't touch me right now. And if someone says, don't touch me right now and you just got engaged in this is the honeymoon part or supposed to be, I was beside myself. I'm like, this guy doesn't even want to be near me. And so all of these things, he didn't realize that all, he had no idea that everything he was saying to protect himself or to not tell me how ill he was was making me feel like I wasn't enough and like I wasn't or he didn't like me. And I'm like he doesn't like me, but we're engaged now. I'm so lost. And I think a lot of it, part of my confusion is the vulnerability of him on the show. He felt so sick on the show that every time he was needed to be vulnerable, he was like, let's be vulnerable and let's, I got to get vulnerable.

And do it fast because I got to get out of here. I don't feel well. So when he had finally time with no cameras, he didn't want to talk at all because he didn't feel good. But him not feeling good lasted for months. And months, I hadn't even known this guy. But since I had only known him for six days before he got sick. So essentially, the whole time in paradise, I was saying, oh, he's going to get better.

He's going to get better. He doesn't feel well. he's going to be nicer he doesn't feel well he's going to like all this stuff he's once we get him off this beach he's not going to be as miserable i know it's going to be better because chris would he was really loving and he does he is loyal to a tea and he will go to war for his family and his friends and for me but um and he had his moments where we would have so much fun but they were few and far between and i couldn't tell um if i was going through something where it was more on the side of an emotional I don't want to

I couldn't tell if I was going through something with someone who was emotionally unavailable to me or if I was going through or if he was actually sick is what it was and I was like is he never going to show up because emotionally he's unavailable and this is never going to happen and I'm crazy to think that these glimpses that I'm getting are truly a depiction of what it could be or is he actually sick?

And then commit your life to partnering with this person who you're like not knowing if you're getting the full picture of. Right. And I thought to myself, did I just fall in love with potential that may never come to fruition? Yeah. And that to me, well, resonant. I mean, I was, I thought on that for weeks. But then we went through so much. And I told him, I'm like, listen, when you are sick, we have to make this fun somehow for you. We have, you're, you, even if you're sick, you have to live. your life to where you can enjoy some moments not every part of you you being sick can be miserable because i'm going through this with you i'm not going anywhere not for not for now i'm like not for now i'm not going anywhere so i'm going to be here until you get better and i want to enjoy my time and it doesn't mean we have to jump around and like hug each other all the time but like like let's let's be

pleasant because he was being one of those grumpy grouchy sick people and i was like let's be pleasant with each other let's be let's just just i'm telling you i was like chris i'm telling you i'm going to sleep in this hospital chair and it's not comfortable i could be grouchy too but i'm not going to be because i want you to feel good and i'm going to give that back so he got put in the hospital yeah this is such a a story see these are the moments too that helped define a relationship so katy with all these things then with the illness and the paradise now leading up to today are you happy? Yes, I'm happy.

And what me and Chris have, so here's some good things about Chris and I, because I feel like everyone always gets here the bad. So what me and Chris have done, that's really great and fun. What we love to do is try a lot of food. And I know people are like, food, that's so basic. But we, we love to try and get really ritzy spots in new cities. So when we were in New York, we went to this restaurant called Res Dora. And it's like booked out for four months, you know.

And we try and get, he knows people in the food industry. I think his brother-in-law owned a couple of restaurants, like really high in restaurants. So we try and get these spots that you just can't get anywhere and go and have this private meal and order like five different courses and try it like we are these food critics. And so we do really fun, cute things and I enjoy that with him. And we also are very much homebodies. And what's funny is I'm always so tired that we watch movies together. but we don't actually watch movies like he turns the movie on and I fall asleep before anyone can say one line but um so those are like some fun things we do we play board games

we play room me cube together and just like enjoy each other's company but it's been a lot of learning to communicate especially because I just now that he's been getting better and feeling better life has been getting better because boy was that daunting and I felt like we went through the in sickness and in health part like we went through the sickness part right off the bat it was like here you go you guys get sickness today and for the rest of the next few months and so i'm really excited to enjoy health and like navigate the health side of things because that's when i feel like i can truly be myself in this relationship with the sickness part i was i'm on edge i'm on guard i'm trying to protect i'm trying to make him better i'm getting frustrated when he's

not getting better for him and that's the over-empathetic part. I'm like my whole body feels for him. So I'm excited that we both can kind of relax now because it was also making him anxious not to know what was going on in his body and I get that too. How often you guys together? Um, not often actually, but I would say every two weeks. Yeah, that's about what Jessica and I are. Yeah, I mean, but when we see each other, I kind of, I like that, but also Chris doesn't like talking on the phone. I've gotten him to FaceTime more, so that's made it easier to be a part. I'm on a big phone talker either. I get that.

It's not ideal. Not much to say after a while. No, it's better to FaceTime or say it in person. So, Katie, you and Chris are doing well. You're happily engaged. You've been through some stuff since the show. Yeah, we've been through some illness. Now we're getting to the health side of things.

And I think there's only an up and up for you. So outside of your relationship with Chris and outside of the Bachelor World, what are you up to that you can tell us that you're excited about for all the listeners out there who are huge fans of yours? What can they be looking forward to? A lot of stuff. So I've been doing, I had an event. It was called Well Rested. I did it with a brand named Kendra Scott. It was all about sleep.

And the sleep initiative, I'm really into the sleep side of health. I believe in fitness and diet 100%. but if you don't have sleep, then it means nothing. I've struggled with narcolepsy for so, for how long has it been? Whoa, 15 years I was diagnosed with it. So it was really important to bring sleep to the forefront. And so that was exciting. But also, I actually just got booked on a movie.

Hey. And not to boast, but I'm really excited about it. Are you kidding me? That's not boasting. That's just awesome. We want to celebrate you here with this podcast. congratulations. Thanks. I'm not speaking that I know of yet, but I'm like one of the lead dancers for a movie that one of my favorite actresses is in, Meryl Streep. So we'll see.

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but there's a Bachelor tie-in here recently that I want to talk about. You chose to have Colton and Cassie in your most recent video, Famous. Why? I did, so I put a song called Famous out earlier this year and with it being, I was an independent artist at that time,

I'm now signed to Sony Music in Nashville, and Colton and Cassie were on the way to Aspen on a road trip, and they took a video with their phone, basically just kind of bobbing their head, listening to Famous and like, we don't know the words, but we love this song. And they just kind of put it on Instagram. And as you know, like a lot of my friends sent it to me and said, look who's posting about your song. And so I reached out to them and said, hey, thank you guys so much. And we've kind of kept in touch ever since then. I think that was March or April.

And so you don't always get to make a music video for the song. You know, has to be pretty successful, especially as an independent artist at that time, to go put the money into a music video and get to do that. So when it came time, we were talking, I said it would be cool to have some famous people with it being called famous in the video. And I remembered that they were the first person ever to post about the song and to shout it out to their fans and all that stuff. So they were my first choice to ask.

And I asked him and they wanted to do it. And the only person I had to ask, and it worked out great. That's awesome. Yeah. Obviously, this is a Bachelor-focused podcast. And so we're always a huge supporter when somebody seems to highlight Bachelor Nation in new genres. but for you famous is obviously the song that's hot right now and will continue to be hot for months hopefully years decades to come

but this isn't your first hit you've had a ton of songs in the past tell anybody out there listening who is maybe familiar with you or not come of you some of your history and some of the songs you've came out with for the last couple years yeah I put music out for the first time in 2017 and when you do that it can be a little bit scary you don't really know if people are going to like the songs or love the or hate the songs you just you know the fans are never wrong and most people have a boss a nine to five boss or something as an artist we just have fans if they love it then we're doing our job right you know um and the first thing i ever put out was a song called whiskey's fine and uh still one of my favorites

the scene to this day and a big reason i'm still i'm still doing this i think is that song it's sold like 40 000 copies opening week i remember specifically chipper jones retweeted it when it came out he was my favorite baseball player growing up um and we put out a bunch of songs uh the serious x-s some of the highway has been really good to us as long with Spotify and whiskey's fire was a single there's a song called Bigger Than Us that was a single and all that stuff still out now so it's just kind of been building and building building for the last two or three years and luckily famous is doing you know better than any of those songs have before and we're able to keep rolling with it you're from haddiesburg uh mississippi i said that right

hattisbury yeah hattisburg mississippi land of brett far from that i was going to say and you followed his footsteps to southern mississippi uh university where uh you played baseball yeah and i heard an interesting story about you you you're a good baseball player you got hurt and at that time you're your whole life kind of switched um i had a similar story i played football blew out my knee and my life switched and i know how that's affected me this day tell us a little bit about what that transition was from a baseball player to an artist well you know obviously playing baseball. And I've had a little bit of a random journey to get to where I'm at. I had a full ride to play golf in high school. So I actually quit all the sports, focused on golf all the way through

my junior year of high school, got a full ride to Delta State in North Mississippi. And my friends talked to me into playing baseball in high school the day of the first game, my senior year of high school. So I literally, I remember I left the basketball court, walked out, fielded a bucket of balls hit a bucket of balls and started in the game that night what just doing it for fun i was at a smaller school kind of just not thinking anything would come of it yeah and long story short i was six four i was left-handed had a good year southern miss uh was in hattisburg in the same town really the only school that even knew i played baseball and towards the end of the year they called me offered me a scholarship and i literally i said shut up i thought they were kidding i really was like no

you're not giving me a scholarship and they did and so i called this golf coach back he had given me a full ride for golf yeah calling back i say hey i'm gonna go play baseball i can play golf till i'm 90s wild and so that's how i ended up in baseball and you know landed there three years later we're playing in the college world series um i had never really watched the college world series growing up so i'm walking in there's 30 000 people just screaming at me it's just insane omaha was just such a good time and that's you know a feeling that i'm still kind of chasing in music really that that that that crowd that that energy you know but I didn't even you know at that time I didn't sing or play guitar either so I'm doing the baseball thing I've been a drummer my whole life always been a big music lover but never really stepped into the spotlight of it you know and so my roommates in college two of which are on the World Series the Nationals they just won the World Series which is pretty awesome they all had guitars they all play guitar so when they would leave I would pick up a guitar teach myself and they would just kind of hear me singing around the house and they actually booked my first shows for me they actually went around i was scared to sing in front of anybody who was

this um so brian dozer okay who was on the nationals yeah um and anthony randone he wasn't he's not a roommate but he played at rice yeah so we played against him every year no way um and george springer on the aster as i played in the cape cod with actually so i pretty much just root for the teams my buddies are on now yeah but yeah i just they i was scared to do it we booked shows i showed up a lot of other people showed up it went really great from from the early get-go of when i started even if i wasn't good at that time the the comment i got was hey you have a really cool or unique voice and it was something that i just kind of gravitated towards and tried to write my songs using that something different you know and so i just kind of kept at it and before i knew it i'm i'm moving to Nashville

and been there for seven years now and it's been a slow a slow build slow build but everything you know it's kind of working out how it should i think your stories um I'm so intrigued. Let's summarize this for a second. It doesn't make any sense. You're a golfer who gets a full-ride scholarship, who picks up a baseball, who gets a Division I scholarship to baseball, who picks up a guitar, who then becomes a, like, a full-on musician. I wish I had the skills you had. I just talk in a mic for a living.

Well, I do, too, kind of. Good point. But you do it a lot better than I do, man. I think that's incredible. So just a side note here, my girlfriend, just her boyfriend, her brother. brother just recently won the College World Series is Vanderbilt. So I've heard the stories of how crazy that is. So that was this year.

That was this year. So a full circle moment for me. I played in it back in 2009. This year Kyle Peterson, who used to be a professional player and now announces for the College World Series in ESPN, he had heard famous. They called me. They said, well, you write the theme song for the College World Series this year.

No way. So they called me like a month before, and I did. I wrote it. If you watched it this year, you heard it probably without even knowing. It's a song called Key to the City. I know exactly what you're talking about Yeah, I haven't actually released it yet But that's me singing And I wrote that song with a couple of my buddies

And I think it's gonna be the song for the next Like five or ten years That's amazing, yeah Pretty cool, yeah Yeah, because when I watch his videos now Like the flashbacks and everything Like that's what's playing in the background That's the song of the world series

How wild, man, this is crazy Adam, I am a huge fan of you I have to admit I want to know one thing We're going to give Cassie a call here in a second Bring her on, talk about this song and everything else. I think a lot of our listeners relate with your story where dreams have shifted, maybe things have changed in their life. What is it like now to be a guy from

Mississippi who's obviously had success and gone to high places and everything he's kind of gone after? What is it like sitting in Napa Valley after you've played at the brunch at Live in the Vineyard, knowing that you have fans all across the country, that your songs will undoubtedly be very successful. Do you ever just take a second look around and go, how in the world did I get here? I do that all the time, as a matter of fact. It's really amazing. I try to stop as often as I can just to kind of say, tell myself how lucky I am to get to do what I love for a living and to have, you know, like you say, fans, we're able to kind of go around the country now and sell tickets and play for these fans. We have some of the best fans in the world. And it's an amazing feeling.

It's a time in my life right now where I'm getting to do a lot of first. You know, all these places I wanted to play, just like Napa. You know, I've heard of this event for a long time. And all these things that I've always wanted to do are just kind of starting to happen. And it's just such a dream come true. And I'm just really lucky to get to do what I get to do, you know. I'm not over stepping. I live in Denver.

One day when you come to Red Rocks, I'm going to be out there on the front row screaming your name. That's my dream venue. One of the first CDs I ever had was Dave Matthews Band live at Red Rocks. I think it was 95. It was like, I remember my brother gave it to me for Christmas, and I just, I listened to it for years and years and years. So it's always been, I've been there, but never actually been to a show there or played a show there.

I will be front row when that happens, and I think it will be happening very soon. At least it should be. Your very first concert ever was in sync. Are you still an in sync fan? Yeah, everybody's an in sync fan. I'm a big Justin Timberlake fan. Yeah.

I've got a bit of a man crush on Justin Timberlake. A little envious of that guy, though. Yeah, he's a triple threat. He can do everything. Yeah, I get a little bit of a little bit of a little bit. angry when i see him yeah you know well i play in a couple golf tournaments every year i'm playing in uh the diamond resorts uh celebrity challenge this year in Orlando and timberlake's going to be there and the problem with timbrelake is he's good looking he can dance he can sing he entertain a crowd

and he's really good at golf and so all of those things are things i'd always want to be that he is and it makes me very angry well i've never met him i hope he doesn't make me angry when i meet him yeah but i would love to play golf with the guy that's for sure is he is he really good like scratch good or yeah he's pretty good he's like uh he's probably a two oh wow okay so uh one day we'll get out there and play uh golf adam uh once again before we bring cassie on adam's new song is famous it's now available the video is out there and on this video is one of our favorites cassie randoff cassie i watched the video it's awesome uh it's it's super well done tell us about i love it i think it's great tell us about your experience working with adam and in this guy

that you seem to know pretty well named Colton. Ah, this guy named Colton. No, we had such a great time filming it. It was honestly one of the more fun things that Colton I have ever done together, I think. And we honestly, it was just like hanging out all day with friends. I didn't feel like we were working one bit, but yeah, we had blast. The Adam, before you came on, Adam was talking about just how big supporters you've been to him and how, you know, you're one of the first people to really put this song out there.

Did you ever expect kind of putting it out on social media would then come full circle back to you being in the music video? Oh my gosh, no clue at all. I had no idea. We were just, Adam, did you already tell a story of how it happened kind of? A little bit, but you can go a little bit further. Okay. Well, we were just on our way to Aspen, and the song came on the radio, and we didn't even know the lyrics yet, but we were like, oh, wow, this sounds like it's going to be a really great song. So we listened to it over and over and over again. So, of course, we had to story it and tagged Adam. I'm so happy we tagged you. Oh, my gosh. But, yeah, and then it turned into this, and I had no idea it would turn into this, but I'm so glad it did. And I saw the actual. Instagram story video today actually someone posted it

I think one of Colton's fan accounts it was one of the fan accounts yeah I saw that yeah I was like how do you still have that they are on their game and if you if you were to post something for three seconds and delete it they have it they got it by the time oh I know it's a little scary yeah be careful so Adam I have to ask you why Cassie's online I watch the video and obviously Cassie and Colton are together and they're a great couple

and they're happy together but there was something about watching this video like when they gave each other the eyes it like took me back like it obviously you know it's a video but they did such a good job at really kind of showing how much they care and just how interested they were

I've been telling people this whole time I don't think they had to do much acting in this video they just seemed very much just really happy and very much in love and it's cool to watch I also say I've said this a few times but you don't want to be unhappy with your current relationship and be around Colton and Cass

Cassie. It's not a good place to be, you know. That is such a compliment. It is. It's a compliment to you, Cassie. I mean, tell us a little bit about what's going on with you and Colton right now. I mean, for Adam to say that and say that if you're having any troubles your relationship. I know. That's so sweet. Don't be around you guys because things seem so good. Are they good? No, yeah. Things are really great with us. We're just having fun and enjoying our time together and kind of enjoying how it's been a little bit slower recently, not traveling too much. Well, he's actually traveling right now. now so that's a lie it's still busy but it's been we're doing really good such an awesome thing well cassie i want to say thanks for coming on the podcast also uh thanks for being a supporter of a great artist um adam dulaak with the song famous uh cassie uh to send us off here i always like to do this i'm going to put you on the spot you got 30 seconds or less to sell somebody on why they should become a massive fan of Adam. Oh, boy. Oh, this will be easy because Adam is not only one of the most talented people that I've met,

but he also is such a great person. And I think knowing the person behind the music and it really makes a difference in the music itself. So Adam, I think you're a great person and you're going to go far. And I've already heard some of his music that's coming out soon. hopefully. So, and that's also really good. So definitely keep following him and keeping up with his music and his career. Awesome, Cassie. Well, Cassie, thank you for coming on. Love you, Cassie. Thank you for having it, or having me, not us. I'm supposed to being as Colton. It's all one in the same of these days, Cassie. So, hey, once again, listen to the single

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Joe and Kendall, with us in Napa Valley talking about their most recent project with the scene dating app. Welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Hello there. Thanks for having us. We were chatting a little bit before you came on the podcast about this app. And I think only you two can explain it. You explained it so well to me. And I think our listeners are going to be shook with how great it is and how scary it is. So Kendall, tell us, Kendall, tell us about the scene dating app. So the scene dating app is, um, Um, basically transparent dating. And what I mean by that is that all of your conversations that you have with the people that you match on the app and all of the video chats you have with the, um, the people that you have on the app are seen by everybody else who is on the app.

So it's very, um, so nothing is hidden pretty much. It's very out there for the world to see. You have to step out of your comfort zone. This is true. Which is very scary, but at the same time actually produces, quality. Yeah. You know?

Yeah, I agree with it. I mean, that's what we had to do. This is true. So the scene dating app is, uh, just launched this week on the app store. It's called scene. S-E-E-N. Uh, so let's start at the beginning. Dating apps have been around for a while.

Uh, you've been able to swipe right, swipe left for a long time. Uh, there's obviously some great things about that. Some, uh, some beautiful relationships that are formed. And there's also some negatives. And one of those main negatives is a couple of the, the keywords that we thrown out are like ghosting. There's some inappropriate pictures, messages getting thrown around, maybe too aggressive behavior.

What this app does from what I'm understanding from you is this app allows transparent dating to be at the forefront. So as we like to say in Batchar Nation, you have to be there for the right reasons. Yes, you definitely have to be there for the right reasons because there's no hiding. And I feel like with Joe's my relationship, because it was so public, we found strength and vulnerability, and I feel like the app does the same thing. You are able to build meaningful and honest relationships, and it's a scary thing. I mean, with Joe and I, it was extremely scary to have a public relationship and have everyone else's opinions. But at the end of the day,

I felt like it allowed us to live at the edge of our comfort zone, which made it so, you know, we have a really successful relationship with nothing to hide. Well, and there's so many apps out there, There are so many dating apps and you don't know who is serious and this is actually for people that really want to date and because you're able to be transparent on this app it allows other people oh wow this guy actually isn't a jerk he's not here to get more Instagram followers or just to hook up he actually wants to meet somebody and then with that knowledge you could say okay, now I can actually take this person seriously. So you could allow yourself to be vulnerable,

opposed to on the other apps, in my opinion, it feels like you have to be guarded because you don't know what's real and what's not. I can see somebody out there listening right now going, wait, this seems scary and it seems incredibly intrusive. What would your response be? It could be. It kind of is.

I mean, it is scary, and that's the exciting part. You know, I wouldn't, we, Kendall and I, I don't think we'd be involved if it wasn't a little scary. Yeah, and I think it's also we wouldn't be involved if it wasn't something that we've been through personally ourselves. And I think the scary part, it's not as scary as it appears. You kind of get used to the fact that, okay, my conversations are going to be public. And if you have nothing to hide and you have true intentions, then, you know, it's just allowing other people to see how you are with conversations,

how you are with, you know, in person in these video connections that you have with people. And also when you get further on in the app, it's, it's, it's, you get to have private messages and you can, you know, exchange phone numbers privately. So it's not like you're going to be taking, advancing your relationship like, you know, all publicly. Well, and you, but you're not, it's for people that aren't trying to hide anything. Yeah. You know, you're just, you're going out there, you're being yourself, you're showcasing yourself. And if somebody's into you, great. I love the idea of this.

I think this thing is so scary. I think it feels so uncomfortable, but I do think it eliminates some of the biggest issues with online dating and social media. I think what it does is allows us all to be our truest versions of ourselves, hopefully also our most polite and well-behaved versions of ourselves. But here's what I know could happen with me, right? We're in Napa Valley right now. So wine is flowing. I could see myself drinking a little too much and saying something that I regret or maybe that I would disprove of the next morning. Is it out there for everybody to see forever? Oh, no.

I mean, we have all been there. I have definitely had those moments with my stories where I wish I could, I've deleted them. But the same thing is with the C-NAP, so you can delete messages. The thing is you don't want to make a habit of deleting all of your messages because it does. It stays on your record.

It's like a permanent record. So if you delete multiple messages, people are like, okay, well, this person has deleted 10 messages, there's a reason for that. That brings up a red flag. Now, if, you know, you get drunk every thing, three months and you get a little wild. Yeah. You delete it. Big deal.

Yeah. Do you have to live in L.A. to do this? So for right now, you have to live in L.A. to be a participant in the dating world of the site. But anybody could watch. Anyone can watch. Anyone can kind of see what's going on. But scene is going to be spreading to different cities soon. So we're going to be expanding. We're going to be reaching more cities. And we're excited about that. We're excited for a lot more people to be able to have this experience. because I think it's, I think it's just like a new way of dating that it's almost a new traditional way of dating. Yeah.

I think it's great. So is it free then? If I'm going to just sit and watch, I have a note here that you can, you can follow the hashtag real connections on social media to see some of the connections being made and some of the people involved in themselves on the scene app. But I don't want to just watch and pay for the app. So is it free? It is free. It is free. Yes, it is free.

But there is an option to go to pay for the advanced version of the app, which has a lot of different perks that go along with that. I am a true fan of this. If I was single, I could see myself using this app. It seems like once again scary. It seems super vulnerable. It probably is both. But I think, as Kendall, you've said many times when I've been around you, it's when you're going to have to fix this for me. But it's when you step out of your comfort zone is when life truly begins.

Yes, life begins at the edge of your comfort zone. That is the tagline for this app. I feel like being a part of the Bachelor world, we are no strangers to living beyond our comfort zone, maybe sometimes far beyond our comfort zone, and sometimes that's the best place for growth. So I think that this is something that I love that is reaching to a lot more people

that are able to have the experience of pushing themselves and doing something that does feel a little bit scary. Who doesn't want to date and date people with nothing to hide? come on it's awesome before we let you go I know all of our listeners will be like the scene's great we should definitely use it

and they will be but then they'll also be like what is going on with Joe and Kendall right now how is life life is great life is great

we're going to be going to Japan in a few days in two days we're going to Japan which has been a dream of ours for such a long time ever since we met we've wanted to go

so we're just excited to travel and to I mean of course we're living together in West Hollywood so Campbell has our podcast podcast down to date that I've been doing as well so we're creating a fun little

life together so we went to adopt a dog in December this is something that I've been anticipating for quite a long time we're going to Chicago for Thanksgiving there's a lot of things you're adopting a dog this is a big deal we're adopting a dog when we get back from Japan and a dog that does not shed yeah okay well Joe and I have had experience have had experience fostering dogs and so I've had to like nurse puppies back to health and do all of that. So I know the hard part of owning a dog and potty training and all that. So I'm excited to actually have a dog that's a permanent part of our family. And that doesn't break my heart whenever they have to leave. So I, uh, this is always, this question is never

framed correctly. But your lives will never be fully what they were before. It's just not possible. Your life can has continued to move on. There's been new experiences and new successes and new things. I'm a dancer. You're a dancer now. So the question then is has life at this point started to feel like a new normal have you started to feel content and do you like are you understanding what your relationship looks like outside of the pressures of the fame yeah absolutely i think when we've got off the show you know obviously it's it's a little difficult at the beginning but for the most part i think we've done a pretty good job of really not paying attention to any of out's outside opinions and any of the noise and just really we have clicked kind of from the

beginning and it's honestly it's really just been easy yeah and our it's been surprising yeah and i'm not gonna complain like our lives are good like we live really like a really nice life and it's just yeah and i think it's been i think it has a huge part to do with having the strength in each other going through everything um but i think we're just taking the opportunity of what everything is and just kind of enjoying it together. Yeah. It's been, it's been Wundava. Yeah.

Kendall, are you happy? Yeah, yeah, very much happy. Joe, you happy? Couldn't be happier. That's awesome, guys. Hey, well, thanks for coming on. Thanks for talking about scene. Once again, scene is now available to download.

It's the scene dating app where transparency is key. Make sure you go download it if you're out there looking, you're single, ready to mingle, and you're looking for a good time. Hey, Joe and Kendall, thanks for coming on. Thank you for having us, Ben. Seen dating is the next generation dating app for online daters fed up with faked up profiles and time wasters. Seen is the first and only dating experience that offers complete transparency to men and women looking for the perfect match. Transparent dating means a new, innovative and honest approach to dating, which allows singles who are serious about dating an opportunity to match on human connections and chemistry.

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We've been on the rooftop of our house that is rented in this resort all night, podcasting, and it has been something really special. So once again, thanks to the Carnaris Resort in Napa Valley. Also, thanks to the new dating app, scene dating. We talked about it with Joe and Kendall, as you just heard. That is a dating app, I think, that will rock the world. Hey, we're in Napa Valley live in the Vineyard Music Festival with Aver Levine, Kelsey Ballerini, Marin Morris, Adam Lambert, and many more.

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