The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Lord of the Dance

Episode Date: April 11, 2025

Ben and Ashley are back to break down the latest Bachelor Nation headlines!   Clayton Echard called Gabby Windey a bully after what she said about his dance moves… whose side are you on??And we try to get to the bottom of Jason Tartick and Kaitlyn Bristowe’s feud over a dog/baby name!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This episode specifically, we're going to concentrate on. two headlines that feel like they're dominating the airways of Bachelor Nation. And we want to do a deep dive into both on what we know, what we think, and any details that might have been missed along the way as you've just been catching up scrolling through your social media. The first headline is this. It's actually what we're going to call it a topic. It's the Gabby v. Clayton situation going on right now.

now. Ashley, this is about a week going on. Catch us up on what's happened for anybody that has no idea what we're talking about. All right. So Gabby was on the Los Culturistas podcast, and she's just, you know, chatting about her life. And they brought up Clayton. And she said that Clayton's dance posts on Instagram and TikTok will make you run. It'll make you wish you didn't have eyes.

And then I could see there's some humor in that. But then she says he looked like a toe. And then it made and then she made a reference to like the Bachelor universe where like you're filming and you're like wrapped up in a situation. And then like all the sudden you're basically like attracted to somebody who like looks like a toe or you're like admitting feelings for somebody that you. you just don't think is that much to look at. Let me pause you here because this is the first big statement made by Gabby. I don't quite know if I know what she's talking about. So is she like saying he looks like a toe or is that some like new age, new verbiage that

like references something else? Or is she like literally comparing him to a toe? I think it might be kind of both. But I know that when people say you look like a toe. Like when people say that, it usually just means like you're just not cute. Okay. All right. So there you go. And then I totally understand why this would be offensive to Clayton. And like I don't know that I would personally respond because like sometimes I feel like there's like more power and not showing that it got to. But Clayton got on his own social media and he calls her out for being a bully because she's talking shit about his looks and his passions. Like he has talked about how dancing has. made him just like a happier person, and it's been an outlet for him when he was in a deep,

dark depression after the show. And lots of Bachelor Nation came to his support. Joan was very vocal in the comment section, Kelly Flanagan and Dotten also. He said, that's how you handle it my guy, mad respect. You keep doing you, Clayton. And this is not where the drama ends, but Ben, do you have anything to comment on here? Because, like, right now, at this point, I am definitely team Clayton like you know he stood up for himself and she was being I don't know if I like like bully like bully is like what I think about when you're like like harassing someone on the playground but like here I just think she's being mean you know it's just she's just saying unnice things that she could just keep to herself you know if she want to make fun of your ex

just say it to your friends you don't have to say it on a podcast yeah I mean I think Bullying is any time anybody of influence or power uses that influence and power over somebody else, right? That can be like physical strength, platform, whatever. Gabby obviously has a bigger platform than Clayton. Her following, especially coming off of traders, is so much greater than Clayton's. That, you know, what is she actually doing here by even speaking about Clayton? Because right now, she's off doing this totally different thing. I think what I, yeah, at this moment in the conversation, based on her podcast,

I do think it is, um, it is just simply mean. Uh, and I think I would imagine Gabby could admit that. Like, she wasn't saying this to uplift Clayton or be nice. Like this was a mean thing to say. His dancing, though, I would say, hey, if you're critical of it, I don't know if that's, uh, necessarily a problem. Like, you don't have to watch his videos. Like, I don't think it's a turn-on, like me watching him on Instagram dance, I'd be like,

that's not, that's not something that I want to see from my husband, but, you know, it's okay. But if it's, if he's doing it strictly because it makes him happy, great, but he also has to realize, I think at this moment in time, I'm just saying what, from what I know, he also has to realize that people are going to be critical of his dancing if he's going to post it on social media. Like we always say, if you share it with the public, you're opening the public up for opinion. Not everybody has to be like, oh, Clayton, look how great you are at doing these moves. They can be like, hey, man, like, this is weird for me to watch. That's okay. If it was really just for his mental health, he would keep it private, but maybe he is getting some satisfaction

out of the positive comments that do come along the way. Ben, totally, totally agree with you. Her saying, her, his dancing post will make you run. It'll wish you didn't have eyes. That's being funny, I think it crosses the line into being mean when she says, like, this show is going to make you, like, fall for somebody who looks like a towel. Yes, 100% agree. Okay, so that's where we start this thing out at. Uh, and also, uh, moving on then to Clayton's response to her saying these things about looking like a toe and his dance, dancing particularly, uh, and Ashley take it away with his response. Okay, well, his response was him being like,

you're bullying me over looks and passions. And that's where he got all, like, the responses from Bachelor Nation saying, you know, way to defend yourself. She's being a little bitchy. Which is totally good, too. I will say that's totally fine. You should defend yourself. Yeah, this back and forth, totally fine.

Totally fine. I mean, well, you know, she was being mean. But she was also, I could see her being a little funny in there too. I can, if she was going to defend herself by saying I was being a little funny. a little bit okay so then gabby fires back on tic-tok and this is where she loses me i mean she are i still was more team clayton but yes she definitely loses me here when she talks about how she humiliates she goes that's rich of you to say that i'm bullying because you came out and humiliated me and told everybody on national tv that we had sex and i'm like okay but this is like not

the same situation because he was you guys were all on a reality show and you both willingly all went into fantasy suites and you know that a lot of the times what happens in fantasy suites doesn't stay in fantasy suites and like you're on a TV show

like yeah lots of parts of that relationship that you have on a TV show is going to be exploited and this is like years ago so then he of he can't help himself and he gets on Instagram

and he's like this is unnecessary for you to keep bringing up we have talked about the fact that I'm sorry that I brought our fantasy suite intimacy up on TV also you know I was the lead

you know that like those are things that like as the lead is very difficult to keep secret we're on a TV show I have tried to apologize to you numbers of times and then he shared DMs between the two of them in 2003 where he apologized to Gabby. And by looking at the DMs, it looks as if like she was responding to him and they were like all cool too.

There was some of it where she didn't respond. But like in the midst of like all their DMs, she has like responded to him and they like seem cool. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just low. Looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot.

He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them.

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The back and forth has happened. She is, you know, I think she, again, I'll put words in her mouth, which isn't fair. My assumption is she knew she was not being nice when she made those original comments. Clayton came back with defending himself, which he had every right to do, and defending this thing that he says helps his mental health out a lot, which is dancing, which is great. And it feels like he's confident enough in dancing that even with the criticisms and the critiques, he continues to do it, which makes me go, good for you, man. Like, I love it.

If I'm not good at something, I'm never posting it on social media. but this is obviously something you care about and that is healthy for you and you enjoy showing off kind of your progress. So great. Keep running with that, honestly. The response by Gabby, I do agree, is where I got lost in the whole thing. This was a, it felt like pulling back something way back in the future that obviously hurt her, which again, they've talked about and they've seemed to be okay with. And that's where things get weirdest for me is if you've explained yourself both parties has talked about it um some conclusion has been granted you kind of hope forgiveness is given and then this isn't brought up years later and it's also weird

that and i i just think this is like always odd the the person that started this dialogue right gabby came on this podcast Clayton wasn't really talking about gabby at the time is also the one then like doubling down she's that's the best way to say she doubled down on this saying no I had every right to do this. I meant what I said. You called me out for having sex with you in the fantasy suite. And that is a woman's job to share publicly, which... Oh, yeah, that's right.

That she said that. I was like, wait a second. It goes both ways. It just, don't make this a sex-test thing. Yeah, I don't... Yeah, exactly. That feels like a stretch a little bit. But that's kind of where we're at now.

Okay, so my question for you, Ashley, is there any more follow-up from either of them on either side about this? is this just done now and it will kind of fade off into nowhere's land technically it would be gabby's time to respond as he did respond to her TikTok I don't think gabby is going to take it any further so I think that if anything people are trying to use this now as a as a method to get Clayton on dancing with the stars okay I mean cool I'm seeing in the comments on TikTok. I mean, all four. If he loves dancing and dance with the stars is open to having him, I'd say go for it, man. So I say that if this goes anywhere, it takes him to dancing with the stars.

That's good for him, then. He can't be Matt. He's going to be ecstatic. Yeah, I know. Exactly. What a win for Clayton. He'll have to say, thank you, Gabby, for bringing me up in public again during your traitors high. Oh, goodness gracious. Okay, so the next topic is this one, Ashley. And it feels like we've talked about this topic so often. And there's an element here, as we talked about kind of last week, that controversy seems to bring conversation and controversy seems to keep some type of relevance. It doesn't really feel like the healthiest path. It doesn't really feel like how most want to be, you know, what most want to be known for. But the Caitlin and Jason thing has lasted so much longer than Caitlin and Sean.

I thought that thing lasted forever. there is something about Caitlin Bristow's relationships that once they go public and once they end, I told Jess this the other day, it kind of reminds me the Taylor Swift effect where it's like they're always kind of there. Like they're always kind of like the ghost of the past. Such a good analogy.

It's like they never fully remove themselves from the situation. And it feels like that way with Caitlin. It does. And Jason and Caitlin's conversation or their relationship was brought back up again here recently, on a podcast that Caitlin did. It was her podcast, but she had a guest host kind of interviewing her about a situation that just happened. Now, Ashley, let's be clear. We've

covered Caitlin and Jason for a long time, though. There has been a lot of kind of subliminal and quiet messaging within both of their social medias and both of their public appearances about each other. There isn't, there's a lot of love lost, I would say. There's a lot of love lost in this relationship. There's a lot of moments of tension and the two of them being upset with each other and not feeling like this relationship was something that kind of was healthy. Well, recently, Caitlin spoke out on this podcast about kind of what it feels like is her tipping point.

The moment that she really is fired up. up over. Ashley, what is it? And then we'll talk about if it's a big deal or not. Oh, to me, it's a big deal. All right. So on the first day that they ever met, Caitlin and Jason talked about children names, talked about what she has planned to name her child for a long time. And she told him it was Teddy. And I'm assuming this is a conversation that was brought up multiple times leading up to their engagement as at some point they were planning on having children together but she has the receipts that on day one she told him theodore but it would never be named theodore um it would be named teddy it would always go by teddy and then he gets this dog asked instagram what he should

name the dog there were a couple suggestions as to teddy i think and then he announces a couple days later that he ends up naming the dog teddy this is to me huge deal total no-no this would cross this would get me over the edge in which i would just have to have a ven-sesh publicly about this because it was a public relationship and i personally could not let him get away with this and you and i are totally different when it comes to this stuff that's all you and i are totally different you're obviously a much stronger willed person i could just tell by your facial expression that you're like, no, this is something that you can just keep to yourself and be the bigger person. And I'm like, absolutely no.

That is not at all what I think. Really? No, I think this is really sad. I think it's really sad. I think it is, no, I don't, this, you are so far off basis. With absolutely no idea where you're going to go. All I know is that you normally think that Caitlin and I should be more private. it. Yeah, I still hold on to that. I don't back down on the fact that I think there's

like room for privacy here. Yeah, maybe the question of do I think this is a big deal? Yes. It is a public relationship. I do feel like at this point, Caitlin was at her breaking point. And I don't know, my only advice to Caitlin as a friend or in general would be, I don't know if you ever speak out publicly when you feel like you're at your breaking point. Because I think what it ends up doing is it it communicates a lot of drama and a lot of anger that maybe you're just feeling in the moment. Like I don't know how this played out, but I imagine it playing out like this. Caitlin sees that Jason names the dog, Teddy. She calls up her friend. She's like, you got to get over here and interview me because I am mad. And I'm not going to talk about

myself. And so to answer your question, I do though feel like it's a big deal. I do feel like it is it was a it showed a lack of respect it showed a lack of care for somebody that you're obviously not like fans of right now but you at one point in your life had a lot of love for and if this was an obvious conversation the two of them had about this baby name and how katelyn has always dreamed of naming her child this name and then you name your dog that name and i know that instagram was asked and i know people recommended teddy there are ways to set that up for people to send in messages like you should name it Teddy I don't I'm not like playing I'm not agreeing with that and saying oh this is just a random like

voted on name I think this was definitely shots fired do I think it needed to be handled from Caitlin in the way that it did I don't know it's up to her but I definitely can see where she would be upset and sad my word for this would be sad this if I was Caitlin I just be sad that this name has seemed to be taken away from me like that's so sad if somebody had named if my ex named their dog dawson after i had it planned for 15 years yeah i would bust i would be so angry and to me it would feel like to me okay i'm gonna be freaking honest right now i maybe call me like you know maybe people are just gonna see like my friendship with kately like obvious here but guess what i don't care this to me felt like it

an intentional move to him, like an intentional move to see like, let's see if I could annoy her so bad that, and she has to make this decision whether or not to explode at me publicly or keep it in.

In either way, I'm winning because I'm dominating space in her mind. And if she does explode publicly, then people are going to, there's going to be 50% of the people on my side. Yeah. That'd be really That'd be a really, I mean, I think I know how, like, how friends work.

And I think that's you being a great friend. So I, like, in a bit and a protector of your friendship, which is awesome. I can't say that I think that's how this went down other than, I will say, if it is what went down and Jason does see the headlines and he already listens to the podcast, like that is a place that you need to check yourself. Like, you need to figure out where your intentions lie and what you're trying to actually. actually do and how you're trying to create space on the airwaves and in somebody else's head because it is sad no matter what if this was intentional if it was a forgotten about thing by Jason and he forgot they had this conversation or what it is really sad that Caitlin told him this and now this has been taken from her outside of everything else I know that people had a

negative reaction to her interview she had to come out publicly we're going to talk about public apology in just a second. I get that they did, and I know that they feel like she's making a small situation, a big one, and really creating this drama. But we have to understand that it is sad. No matter what, if it was intentional or not, this name is no longer going to be able to be used by her. And like, that does, that just hurts a little bit, no matter who you are. It's way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit.

Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age.

And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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Listen to no such thing on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The most innocent way we could think about this is that he did somehow forget that this was going to be her name. And I just don't believe that because I don't believe that you can be engaged to someone and then not remember what you are planning on naming your kids. Yeah.

I mean, if this was intentional, I would just say that that's a really tough place to be in in life when you're making these type of decisions that will hurt others intentionally. And I just cannot put that on somebody without knowing that to be the case. So, like, I'm sorry. like this is my my apology to Jason if I am wrong but I just find it's hard to believe that you wouldn't remember what she was going to name the dog and now I understand that Caitlin went off further in this podcast episode about Jason and she said like a lot she should have ended

the relationship earlier because a lot of what they were doing together just felt like business felt like social media they were staying together for social media for way too long and she said that that felt gross, Nikki. I think that's kind of where people have the problem is that she's, like, continuing to air out issues about their relationship and that she wasn't just focused on this dog name thing. But I understand how feelings and emotions work,

especially when you're in a public relationship. And people aren't seeing your side because, like, sometimes it feels like the other person is playing the game better or people are more attracted to the way that they play the game. So I understand the frustration. and it boiled up. It boiled up.

It boiled up for sure. And as I've said publicly before, don't mess with Caitlin Bristow. No matter what here is happening. I don't mess with her because once you unleash her, she will make sure the public knows how she's feeling and what she's thinking. And that's why people love her too. It's why people follow her show.

However, this situation and this podcast interview did it feel like hit a nerve with Caitlin, because she did come out on her Off the Vine podcast kind of group and make an apology. I'll read this apology and Ashley will get your reaction. She says, I'm coming to my audience who means the most to me. I take accountability for wanting to hold

someone back from podcasting. I knew deep down this was a me problem. And I also knew it would start a crossover that would be hard in a relationship. What I thought would happen did. I clearly didn't leave when he did it anyways. I did more therapy around it

and was just a boundary I made clear that was crossed. And I tried to work through it, but there was so much more than just that. Again, I see how it can seem unfair. Yes, Teddy is a common dog name. Yes, he can name his dog whatever he wants. And it's effed up that he knew

it was my dream baby name. We talked about it for years. Talked about it for years. Yes, I have major things to work on in relationships, and I've already done so much work. I've seen tremendous growth in myself. I'm so proud of who I am today. My timeline of processing and being who I am doesn't have to look like anyone else's standard for a timeline. I see all the love, and I want to give it all back.

I see all the hate, and I want to give them love too. No one like that will ever understand. and that's okay. I don't understand them either. Navigating a world where sharing your story is risky, freeing, and extremely hard. But I encourage everyone to think about it, and yes, do not wish ill on anyone. I'm choosing now to let them, and I'm glad I gave some context. I don't like that I'm still talking about it, but it felt good to stand up for myself.

I, of course, have moved on, and it doesn't mean I can't speak my truth. Do I have anxiety around a calculated response? I do. Do I think that he subtly shades me a lot? Yes, but I'm choosing light and prayer moving forward. For everyone, I love this Off the Vine family so much. Thank you, upward and onward, high vibes, moi. Ashley, in closing here, this was her apology, kind of reinstating some.

things that she felt strongly about, but also admitting some things that maybe she overreacted to. What's your take? Okay. Well, I want to clarify the first paragraph of her apology. She says she wants to take accountability for holding somebody back from podcasting. So basically she said really early on, Jason, I don't want you doing podcasts because I, the podcasting is my thing. And she didn't want like them to be competing in podcasting. And again, it was just like kind of like a let's we're intermingling our romantic relationship with a business relationship too much so she's apologizing for that and i you know good i would see how people would have an issue with that the teddy thing i'm not going to i still stand by what i said earlier um and then

the rest of her apology i think like if her audience really had a problem with her talking about Jason in this way, I think they also need to think about what she's told us on this podcast before. And that is that like our is public. And sometimes when the stuff that relates back to us gets like brought up again in the mainstream, like, you know, Jason's dog name or like when we see it on social media, like we have to kind of comment about it because it'd be weird if we have this platform in which we like have our job is to speak and to speak about you know bachelor related things a lot of the times and then we just don't speak about that so you and I end up talking about exes on this podcast in a way that normal people wouldn't talk about their exes still like

it makes sense for us to talk about people who we dated because we dated on TV in front of our audience which is why she brings him up so much she wouldn't bring them up if it was just like this guy that she dated in her early 20s. I agree. No, I don't really have a problem with people talking about past relationships and clarifying, especially when it feels like you need to do it to protect yourself. And that goes both sides, right? That goes from, that goes on both sides.

I understand that. I think there's a respect level there. I think there is a level of trust still. You know, you shared life with me. You know a lot about me. so please don't air things that could hurt me. And I think in this situation particularly, Caitlin said a lot of things, podcasts, jobs, all those things. And I think the big key moment is she felt disrespected by the dog name because it felt like it was an intentional move.

I think she thinks it was an intentional move. I can't confidently say it because I don't know his intentions behind it. I know friends will say, hey, this was definitely an intentional move. move because they're protecting, you know, Caitlin here. But either way, I get how she's upset. I also am glad that she is coming out and saying, hey, I'm working on myself through all this, too, because I don't think she's completely in the wrong to voice her concerns. But I just don't know how beneficial it is to let this continue for too much longer because

it feels like it just keeps them in the public tied together and it makes it almost incapable of them moving forward with somebody else in a romantic, serious, committed relationship when your name is so closely tied to somebody else so often. I need to know whether Jason has said on Instagram yet, oh, whoops, I totally forgot. I didn't know that at all because I don't think he has said that. That's probably a conversation for next week. Well, hey, those are the two big topics this week. Ben's like, let's move on.

Let's like have them stop talking about each other. other. And I'm like, okay, but has he denied this? We'll keep breaking this stuff down next week. We're going to continue to get to the bottom of you here at the Almost Famous Podcast because that's what we do. We talk about other people just like they talk about themselves. Until next time, I've been Ben. I've been Ashley. See ya. Follow the Ben and Ashley I, Almost Famous Podcasts on IHartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly. And now I'm seriously

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