The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - MediTayshia

Episode Date: December 22, 2020

Tayshia’s season is almost over, so Ben and Ashley have to make their final predictions! Who do we think Tayshia will pick??There’s no After the Final Rose on this season, what does that mean?? Find out why Ben thinks that doesn’t bode well for Tayshia and her final guy.And Ben and Ashley reveal who they think is the lead contender for the next Bachelor! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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podcast. It's crazy. to think, actually, that, like, Tasha's season will be coming to an end very soon. Like, this was, this has been a monumental season for this podcast, for Bachelor Nation, and now we're, like, almost done with it. And I'm sad. I'm sad, too. I don't know if it could ever get better.

This was such a great season. I mean, I've gotten so invested into these relationships, especially with Zach. We'll talk about that later. yeah isn't it crazy though now that we kind of look back because this is the episode every year you know fantasy suites things start getting real like you know not start getting real they've already been real but they start getting more intimate i think is the word i was hoping for there um we know that they've had some type of physical connection to whatever extent they want to have a physical connection but at least they've had their you know time to have it and it i was sitting there watching this week and it hit me how

long ago it feels like Claire's season was now. It's bizarre. It's so weird. To look back, it was only like two months ago. Two months ago. Wait, it's like the longest season ever. Yeah, it feels. It's what I'm saying. The first week of October or something. Well, there are more episodes than most seasons. Understandably so. But it does feel like a lifetime away that Claire and Dale got engaged. It's absolutely wild. Well, hey, anyway. We got a big episode to break down. Today we're going to break down this latest episode. It was Fantasy Suites this week.

And then we have some Bachelor headlines to cover. So, Ashley, my first comment is, hey, one of our favorite people in Bachelor Nation, never can see enough of her, fantastic human. Jojo is back this week. Has she just lived at Lakinta for the last like six months? I'm so mind-boggled. They had to have kept her at least another four days just for this conversation. right

easily four days wacky like hey jojo's great no harm no foul would love to see her on our TV she's a good personality however for her what'd she do it

is she just is she just kicking it by the pool like hanging out in her suite like there can't be that much going on at Lakinta it's a closed down resort I know I mean she had free Rome obviously at that point

but like free Rome really doesn't give you a lot while being there it like gives you pool access it's not like the spa is open it's not like she could i don't even know she i don't even know what else there would me to do just wandering around in a 115 degree weather but uh well hey so that starts to show off and then we have a date with ivan actually what's your take on the relationship with ivan at this point it's one that started out strong we've had some big moments in their relationship up in this point some really good conversations a good

great connection. He's been one of the fan favorites since the beginning. And this is really the week for me. I mean, last week was a big week, but this is the week for me, we're going to really, I think, start to understand where their relationship is. And I think their relationship is at the bottom of the toldom pole. Really? Yeah. This relationship is obviously lacking compared to the others. And I'm including Ben in there. I love Ivan. He's so sweet. He has such a a nice family I think he's great on paper I think they get along well but I still feel more friendship vibes than anything else like for long-term friendship vibes they're like the couple that dates for a bit and then they become friends well last week on the episode um or maybe this was

the stereo app episode that we did people started writing some questions to us and I think it's one question we didn't get around to but it's you know who do we think the next bachelor will be well if Ivan is not picked with Tasha, I believe he is a tremendous bachelor choice. And I can definitely see that. I would agree with you, I guess, in comparison to, you know, these other relationships, now knowing what we know about Brendan being gone. I would say it's like a Zach or Ben race at this point, which is interesting considering Ben, you know, had left and is coming back.

But the cool part about this final three, and we don't always have this in a season, this final three now is all people that we can root for i think you and i both are kind of on the side of zach and ivan you know after kind of ben's mess up with with tasha uh and and knowing where they stand like we're definitely the ivan and zach kind of cheering squad right now but we know that ben could still be there at the end we're not against it either obviously bachelination has a huge affinity for ben smith i'm not against it but you i was pretty open about my feelings last week. I don't think it's going to be the best long term choice for

but it's not but like obviously there's something very strong there but yes your initial point all these guys are very rootable. I love Ivan it just as this their date was great right but then you watch the rest of the episode and I'm like oh okay well Ivan's the one going like there's just no doubt about it no question yeah I mean there we'll get We'll talk more about it during the next day, but, you know, first we, we see that they do the, the cold bath.

There's a world record thing, and it seems awful. It really does. Ashley, it gives me anxiety. Yeah, me too. That cold. Well, I was like, thank goodness the top half of their body is in, like, 115 degree Palm Springs heat, and then the lower half of their body is going through that. So there's, like, a little bit of a balance. because you imagine doing that in any other climate?

No. Anyway, horrible. Isn't it medical? You've got to ask your dad at some point and let me know. But is it medically, if you go from like super hot to really cold, your body like, like your body doesn't react well to it? Like it's not healthy for you. I don't yes and no. Like I think growing up, we were always told that.

But now like all those therapies, like cryotherapy and like, like, we. these water experiences that you get at spas where you're supposed to go from cold to hot and like there's some sort of spark that goes off in your body i don't know we should also ask claire about it because claire does it all the time she takes like a cold bath like this every other day i'm very sensitive to cold i would be like this is the worst date ever i can't believe we're doing this um my buddy my buddy gets in a cold bath every day and he loves it he says he's like smarter afterwards my problem is this actually there's moments during this show that I watch I try to put myself in their shoes I would have been the biggest baby like you would have seen me squealing like they handled it better than I would like I would have been like squealing getting into that cold bath and having to sit there for that long that would be me too like I'd probably just scream the entire five minutes but I know they had to kiss whatever so how many times have I said whatever in the past two minutes yeah whatever it's like horrible or whatever whatever it's like horrible or whatever whatever

okay so then another horrible thing like poor Ivan he gets from this this ice cold bath to having to have his fantasy suite in the smallest Winnebago like that wasn't cute that was so weird it's like everybody else has this beautiful the only other fantasy suite we saw was Zach but every other fantasy suit we've seen on this series it's like a nice big room like you're getting the bigger room than you've ever had this whole experience and this this time they like cram them into the small room and then like everybody's talking about like oh well they have sex that thing's gonna be rocking yeah so awkward oh i hate those things but ashley you know i'm not one to blame production for everything uh i've never been that way i think we have to hold the contestants have to hold themselves accountable i don't think production plays like I'm the present god in all things during the show however this did make me think I want you to and this is not a bash on the show but remind me of past seasons is there things that they do during this crucial week that I know personally how important it is and how

much you really just want to get time with these humans away from the cameras to like solidify anything you're feeling thinking wondering is there any way that they set this up when there is somebody that maybe they want to be the next bachelor to not be with tasha uh i don't think what they did on the date is going to make or break okay him becoming the next bachelor no no no but like i mean make or break their relationship okay make or break their relationship and therefore leading him to the bachelor rather than leading him to tasha no i just want to bring it up is it determines that but i do think that they purposely put um the whole wedding band meet with niel lane sesh with brenden so it would freak him out even further and drive him

to being like okay no doubt i got to leave yeah i'm out okay fair enough i i just wonder because i watch it this week and that was a very clear i think everybody in bachelor nation is going to go hey cute date right some people like that more than others um but definitely not like the luxurious big expansive room with space that other people have like i think i just wondered hey is this on purpose and if so what would be the angle uh but maybe not i don't know okay no good good thoughts but but no because because of what we see in the next date with zach and it's just like night and day sorry i forget really giddy with these two. I don't know what it is. I like truly have not felt this type of passion for a budding bachelor couple in a very, very, very long time. I can't not like get into

that upper octave when I speak of them. So does he give you, does he give you, uh, Sean Booth vibes? Um, yeah, in the swag sense. Okay. The fact that he has like that presence. Yeah. But I mean, I think he looks most like Nick. And this is, really weird. He also looks like a young Robert De Niro. What? I thought that was the weirdest thing. So Jared goes for, you know, Jared doesn't watch every week. So he's like, who's Zach? The one that looks like Robert De Niro? And I was like, what in the F? And then he was like, I was like this one. And he goes, yeah, he looks like Robert De Niro. I was like, how are you seeing that? He goes, there's memes everywhere about this.

And then I really looked at his face and I was like, oh, damn, I see it. I'm going to this up as you're breaking down this week this date was Zach I'm going to look up a young robert de Niro because i've never thought about this but that would be an incredible incredible comparison okay so it's true so we we know that they like do the whole painting thing it's very much like what carly and evan did in paradise during like the date that they fell in love with fell in love on uh it's very sexual it's like weird they're like rolling around mixing making all these colors together this kiss the way that she holds him the way that he holds her like everything about their physical chemistry is so much different than what we see on the dates with brendon and

ivan like there's just steamyness so much steaminess and then fast forward to them sitting down at the table and he's like i have something to tell you like i'm going to rip the bandite off it was kind of cute the way that he approached the conversation and he was like I'm in love with you and then she was like oh my god I'm in love with you and I'm like see they are they that's it that is it why would we ever think she was going to end up with somebody other than Zach like she has to end up with Zach after that immediately I'm jumping to also tell you that I love you moment well here's my question that eliminated Ivan right there to me. It did, but it doesn't eliminate Ben, which we'll talk about later. But here's

something for everybody to sit on until we get into the Ben conversation. Ben comes to Tasha, and if Tasha reciprocates, can she pull the old daunting, very not good for anybody to I love you moment during this season still? That's the only thing that is going to create any sort of tension or any sort of like any sort of feeling that we haven't figured it out yet and it's all going to happen tomorrow night like all these twists and turns that could be coming our way comes tomorrow night it's this is all crammed in one episode so we'll break down Zach then you're right we don't have to wait you said a few things that really stood out to me one this was a very passionate date and it was a very passionate experience between

Zach and Tasha. Tasha is like giddy. You know, she has this like, now I've obviously in a very committed, very happy relationship, you are as well. Many people listening are as well. Like those, that season of life is amazing, right? When you're just so giddy and you're so excited. So excited. I'm so excited for them.

In fact, Jessica just moved to Denver this week. And so we've been able to see each other for like multiple days in a row. And I like get to wake up in the morning and be like, what are you doing the day? I get to see you. That's exciting for me, right? That's a big deal.

It's still, I'm still in that giddy phase. Now, I'm not oblivious to think that like, hey, that's going to always be there at some level, but it might pass. But they have, I'm saying all of this to say that they do have something that cannot be dismissed. And that is a giddiness, an excitement, an attraction. But I don't think, the one thing Tasia has done really well this season and shown us, shown us. Now, Zach's a good looking fellow. And he does look like a young Robert De Niro, obviously. I looked it up. It's true. But this isn't just a physical, attractive connection. Like, there is a depth of this where the giddiness comes from a, like, I want to say,

a comfortability between the two of them that like just wants the cameras to leave almost. So I don't see this. I'll sit here right now, knowing we only have a few minutes before, or a few hours before we'll know and say like I will be absolutely shocked if it's not Zach it can't be beat at this point that's what it'll be the most it'll be here I'm going to say it big statement it'll be the most shocking finale to me if he's not the winner yes I would agree with you and I'm going to say that right now so that everybody out there listening actually you're going to claim that as well and say that I and typically we don't I don't think we are this confident in a winner yes this week

They could be throwing us the craziest twist ever, though, by her not picking him. The, I'll say there has been more dramatic endings as far as like, Brian Romack, not choosing anyone or like, whatever happened with Peter and his mom. And that finale was insane. But as far as like who is picked in the end, it'll be the most shocking to me if it's not Zach. I would 100% agree with you. I'm putting all my eggs in the Zach basket. That's the one way this thing can turn on us. And, you know, you're right.

You just reference it. Like, Peter, we had no clue he was going to choose. Like, we're like, don't choose anybody because it doesn't feel like. We thought it was going to be Maddie. We thought it was obviously going to be Maddie. I guess that was actually pretty, that was pretty wild. That, I mean, they've all been wild. They've been wild.

Well, hey, so then we get into, uh, we were all wondering who the, the final three was going to be. Uh, or the final two, really, I guess, going into this week. Brendan we really started to see Brendan at a level we haven't seen him yet this season right like this is starting to get serious he's starting to get anxious and nervous we know that that's kind of looming this week it really comes ahead like the whole remember we had the whole lie detector test like that was coming through then he wasn't really sure if he was ready for the families to meet understandable like he's the one that's been married he definitely doesn't want to do you know so exact but he doesn't want to get divorced ever again of course

like rushing anything everything makes sense but yes his anxiety has been present now his anxiety like it was so written all over his face during the beginning of this date during the sit down with neil lane picking out rings i mean it's so funny it's like there's an ice bath date and there's a body painting date and then there's like let's pick out rings date it's just like so obvious that he was you know that he was given this one for a reason his face like he's like The guy is struggling and she sees it. Now, what is just unbelievably mind-boggling to me and is when they sit down,

he goes through his entire spiel that, you know, like he can't do this. It's just too fast. It's not just too fast, but like he has discovered through this process that he himself is not ready and whole enough to be in a relationship. He still has to work on himself. So he's going to drop out, right?

But then she says, this is where the mindbuggle comes in, I thought it was going to be Brendan. I thought I was choosing Brendan. What? Literally yesterday you so excitedly told Zach that you were in love with him. So where does this Brendan thing come out of the blue? You're right. You're right. Yeah, that's a huge moment about the interesting side of this though, Ashley.

is like maybe she is in love with two people. Maybe she's in love with three of these guys. And like, if you go back and we, I think we had an interview with, I forget what interviewed was in, but you and I were talking about it, that was going to be the danger, but also the benefit of Tasha's season, because she allowed these guys to be fully themselves.

She asked really hard questions. They connected on a level that we haven't seen often within the Bachelor world. like this ending isn't surprising to me where there's multiple people she's like into and that are into her because of the level and the depth of the relationship that that's happened throughout the season totally get it totally agree however watching the dates just i just don't think there's any comparison between the brendan chemistry and the zack chemistry was it cut like did she say earlier in the season i thought it was going to be brandon and then we just took out the earlier in the season part. Like, that is the only possible explanation to me. Or, Ashley, I mean, I've been in this. You've been in this. Like, it matters what she's looking for in a partner.

Maybe Brendan, like, Zach is obviously somebody she's in love with. She's into, she's so infatuated by. But when she sits down and she has to ask herself in that moment, who is it that I can see myself marrying? Who is it that I can see myself spending a lifetime with? Who is it that I can see myself being a partner far beyond this show? maybe Brendan had characteristics and qualities that she really admired and wanted and she couldn't get those out of her head now I've been there right like you're you're confused you're twisted and and maybe like the connection with Zach is something she's like I've never felt this way I've never had like I am so giddy with you however the giddiness falls below what I feel for Brendan which we don't know the details of that but it sums up with Brendan has to go home and this is a big moment for him and one that like just shows i mean i'm a big fan of brend i haven't held

that a secret you love him but like the fact that he can now say hey i'm not ready for this i'm not there like tasha you're great you can tell he thinks she's great but like i'm just not personally at a place where i can make this commitment to you and he says it like especially in this environment we cannot overlook how hard it is to admit that when everything around you is pressuring love. Love is in the air. There's an engagement looming. You've gone through this for weeks. You've been through it with this person. Like an admirable moment for Brendan to admit that at this point in time. And I found it something that even made me like him more, even though he wasn't going to be with Tasha in the end. Yeah, I know. Me too. It's good for Tasia. I mean,

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Well, it's not a good idea. We've seen two seasons in a row. Like, it's a bad idea. It's a bad idea for the guys. but I guess for the audience it's like really fun to see how awkward I don't love it it's not fun for me at this point in time like I watch this show to be entertained to laugh to laugh with the contestants to some level make fun of the contestants and then to like really start to like care about these relationships I don't love this move because it does get awkward and it's just so unhealthy

like there's nothing healthy about it I know it's so awkward it's kind of good TV but it is unhealthy it doesn't it doesn't feel it just doesn't feel pure no I mean it's sad because like you have guys that are really laying their hearts in the line they just had an amazing evening with Tatia they did whatever they did in the fantasy suite like I'm really against even wondering like what physical level they went to but they no matter what had a good evening with her they've invested even more of their hearts into this girls and guys We saw it with Peter's season, as you said.

And then they have to watch other guys come back in with a smile on their face or like, you know, whatever. And it's just crushing. Like, can you imagine? Like, that hurts. Yeah, it's bad. Yeah, it's really bad. Okay. Well, with that aside, let's go to the part where Ben knocks on our door.

Did you know it was going to be Ben? Like, I thought, I thought, this is Ben. Here it comes. Here it comes. And Ben, right as she's walking. the door. I came up with like a whole bunch of other scenarios. I was like, they're going to totally fake us out and it's going to be like Jojo again. Yeah. Or, um, it's going to be her ex-husband because there was those TikTok rumors. Yes. Yes. It's not Ben going back. It's her ex-husband.

Because she says, uh, like I couldn't be more surprised. That was who was there, right? Like, she was just stunned. I'm like, Ben doesn't stun me. Ben seems very obvious. But I guess Ben hung around the resort, continued to, you know, stay in the quarantine. bubble and it came to tasha and finally said the words that he couldn't say last week i love you i'm falling in love with you or i'm falling in love with you or something like that and now she's very confused at what to do it's see this is this is this is to me it's obvious what she's going to do and it's probably what i would have done too but first then what do you think she's going to do because i feel like i'm going to be so right in this that it's just like a spoiler

Yeah, you know, you're right. You said it, you broke it down well. Just to reiterate, I thought it was going to be her ex-husband. I thought for sure that was going to be a twist here at the end. We've been rumored to it all season. I thought it was going to be incredibly inappropriate, really awkward for everybody that was, I was not thrilled with it. Well, Ben shows up, which Ben showing up now to me, looking back at it, is probably one of the least surprising things with this season. It's even less surprising to me than Bennett showing up.

Like, been left in this weird way where it felt like there was so much left unsaid. It felt like it was a very anticlimactic exit where it's like, hey, if you really had this song of feelings for him and if you had that song or feelings for her, this exit feels like it's falling short. Like there's still so much yet to be done here. And so he shows up, I'm not shocked. Now, unlike you, Ashley, I have no clue what happens next. Obviously, I can assume that he comes.

assume. I can assume he comes back in. It adds a little drama to the season, but he's ultimately like still let go. That's my assumption and that she still was Zach in the end. That's my thought. Oh, okay. So we're different. I think that with Brendan gone, she thinks, okay, I got to limit it down to two. I know Zach's a shoeing, but I don't think I have it with Ivan. because I thought it was going to come down to Brendan and Zach and now that Brendan's on here to fill in that spot

I'm going to let Ivan go because it's wrong of me to keep him around when I just know it's not him and I'm going to bring in Ben because maybe he's not number two in my heart or maybe there's not a comparison to Zach

or maybe there is a comparison to Zach but at least I can like explore this a little bit more before making my final decision and that way I know at the end of this I've exhausted all possible options and I do think that next, well tomorrow I think tomorrow or today

whenever you're listening to this the guy that Tasha's dad is going to be worried about is going to be Ben because he already left and she already had so many issues with him that's a good point yeah that's the one that Tasha's dad sits down

and says hey you're making a really bad decision like this is not okay this guy isn't right that's a good point i'd ever i mean i knew that's a possibility but you just laid it out there and probably how it's going to play out right it just seems like that at this point um well luckily we don't have a lot of days to wait which i'm glad because i don't want to wait any longer we only have about 24 hours uh to wait for this next episode the dramatic finale we see ben zach and ivan this will be aired on tuesday right Right. So I don't know when you're listening to this, either really late at night or whatever, but the finale will happen. Now, Ashley, to kind of close out this episode, talk about what's up for the future.

At this point, it hasn't been announced, but we're assuming there is no after the final rose, right? Like, this finale will be in. Yeah. How weird is that? So we have a little inside knowledge here. Talk to some of our people, okay? And I was like, okay, well, we're definitely having to see an interview with. her and whoever she picks, right? Like, even if it's a Zoom thing. Like, I don't care if we're

zooming from Chris Harrison's house and we're zooming from Natasha's house. Like, I got to see her with this guy. We've got to see them so many months later together on a couch. Well, apparently we're not getting that. And that makes me have all sorts of questions. Is she single now? That's where I'm wondering is what does this mean? If they're not highlighting this couple, which they do every year in dramatic ways, right? Like this year, there's obviously not going to be the big press and media tour like there usually is where it's like four days of interviews back to back to back in New York and LA like if we don't have that and if that's not even being planned what does that mean for where they're at now that's what's weird to me not a good sign I don't

think it's a good sign and and maybe we're reading too far into it maybe isn't that big a deal but I want to see this couple like I watch this to celebrate this couple but then I guess like you'd think that they would totally do some sort of Zoom after the final Rose thing if they were broken up because that's even more dramatic. Yeah, put them on the same Zoom call. Oh, nothing could be. I mean, Zoom gives me anxiety the way it is,

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Drum roll, Ben, read it. Bachelor's Ari Linedike Jr. and Lauren Burnham reveals they're pregnant with baby number two. Now, here's the thing. Not just baby number two, baby number two and three. Ooh, girl, yeah, I was going to say this headline has now changed. It's hot off the press. I mean, this is crazy. They are having twins.

Now, if you remember right, just a few short months ago, Ari and Lauren were public and discussed that they had a miscarriage. And so this is not only something that they're celebrating, but there's something that there's like this added gratefulness for because they're now being blessed with two children. Yep, they, we don't know the sex yet, but Lauren has said that she's been crying on and off for the past three months. she's so grateful

there was in the picture that they posted on on Instagram today of the twins and the sonogram showing the baby number one the baby number two so we're really really happy for them

I'm going to just make a wager I think they're twin girls I think that they're going to have a family with three girls Ari is just seems like a girl dad to me a girl dad well hey we're pumped for them celebrating them

I still remember our very first in depth was with Ari and And it was at that point in time, but afterwards, they didn't get to say on the podcast, even though we did a later episode or later recording, but that they were pregnant with their very first. So I feel like you and I are just like super involved in their relationship, but been along since the beginning. I'm really happy for this couple. And congratulations to two of them on being pregnant with twins. Now, Ashley, this next headline is one that I need your insight into. Oh, my God.

Everybody's been buzzing. buzzing and you know she meant to do this and hey good for her like this is a very like good way to get some buzz and I think it's fair and it's funny and it's it's keeping me intrigued but I don't know where this rumor came from and I need you to tell me so Andy Dorfman denies Bachelorette Bennett Jordan is her mystery man while vacationing in Cabo this according to us weekly what is this all about okay so last week Andy posted a picture of herself bikini-clad and in between the legs of a man. Okay, so it was from the angle of the guy taking the picture and his legs were in there. I'm sure you guys have seen it. Then she

deletes the picture and zooms more into herself so the legs are cropped out. But like, of course there were screenshots and I don't know if Andy thought she was going to get away with it or it's just like a really good way to, you know, create a buzz to use the word again. So when she, when she posted the picture again, she acknowledges that she deleted the other one and that she cropped this because she goes, now I look topless, L.O.L. hashtag out of the office, hashtag cropped. All right, all right.

So immediately fans start speculating who the mystery man is. All the message boards, which I totally creeped on, were comparing legs and feet to possible lovers, okay? Bennett was one of the guys that was up there. People were comparing the feet. Nick was up there. Michael Garifola was a big, a big suspect here. But I think all those guys are rolled out in the, it seems like the most confirmed suspect. It seems to be an ex-boyfriend of hers. Not a, I don't know if he's a famous one. He may be an athlete. but it's not a bachelor alum.

But we have to assume, I mean, Andy Dorfman is typically, I want to say private about her relationships. Obviously, she wrote some books on this, but she doesn't come out very often about dating or who she's dating and that kind of thing. She is a little bit close to the chest when it comes to dating. And so for her to post this picture,

knowing that stuff was going to start swirling, I would assume she's in a place where she feels this relationship is in a pretty good place. This isn't like a new fling. I would assume so because I don't think she's done this since she broke up with Josh. Man, has she been public with anyone since then? I don't, I can't picture. I mean, I don't think so.

I don't think not on her own Instagram. So this is a big deal. Well, we're going to continue to watch this story, update you as we go. Who knows? Who knows who it is. The next story is one, Ashley. I think you're going to be able to talk about pretty easily because it's about you. The headline reads Bachelor in Paradise is Ashley.

Ashley Kennedy and Jared Heyman, re-watch their cringy first kiss. This is according to People magazine. Stop now. This is a headline, you guys. That's ridiculous. I can't believe people wrote an article about that. I had no idea until I'm looking at it right now. Wow.

What's this about, Ashley? That's what we did. We watched our first kiss. We videotaped it. Thought I'd be some funny Instagram content. And, man, that scene gets cringier and cringier at time. I'm telling you, when I first watched it back, I was like, oh, my God. Why did I bring up Caitlin?

Oh my gosh, why did I say, oh, okay, as he leaned in. But now it's like, ah, I can't believe myself. I can't believe how awkward I am. At least the kiss. Like the physical kiss itself isn't awkward, and that's what I was proud of. That's one of my favorite things about you. I love many things about you, and I obviously love Jared. But one of my favorite things about you is that you fully admit your awkwardness.

I mean, you've gotten less awkward, I feel like, over the last like four years or so. but like when you're in the like trying to figure out what in the world your dating life was going to look like there are a lot of awkward stories moments interactions especially when we got to watch you on these shows and like that's what just makes people love you even more because you you did bring up an ex-girlfriend like during this first kiss like that's brutal Ashley like you can't do that. I don't know what I was thinking like absolutely no filter oh I don't know and like I didn't I thought I was being funny at the time like yeah well no now watching it back i can tell how affected jared was by it because you know those those feelings were still lingering what was i thinking well and like if you know

jared at all jared is a very loyal man uh and he is i mean you can you can't phrase this better than i can but he is a little bit jealous like he's jealous for you like he doesn't love he doesn't love the conversations about his exes he doesn't love you talking about you know your exes like so now you know if this man is sitting there going hey i really like this girl and like i want to pursue it and then you bring up the one thing that he's still sensitive up today like i'm sure that affected him pretty deeply well you know what's funny is jared also loves like really like sexy romantic moments oh yeah during those those moments of intimacy yeah he does not like um like jokes or awkwardness because like he gets into like real like movie star mode

and you can tell like he just wants to be like really romantic in the moment he doesn't really crave any like awkward giggles that can be endearing but no no like he's not about those moments being endearing like they should just be sexy and I totally wiped out that that sexy vibe by saying basically everything that I said in that moment afterward so good well hey it's fun to watch back i'm glad you guys just did uh next headline is one actually that uh i want you to break down for us rachel lindsay this is the headline it reads rachel lindsay doesn't want ben smith to be the next bachelor and the reason is and it's according to refinery 29 okay so i sort of kind of agree with her okay why is that i don't know okay i'm going to read her

quotes and then i may just say ditto she goes ben did just enough to stay by he reminds me of Peter Krauss. He reminds me of him in the way that he gives you just enough. But if you really break it down to what he's saying, it doesn't match up. So it's like, I don't believe you. Like, I'm into you. I like you. I feel it, but there's something that I can't explain that's not adding up here. Okay, yeah. So I do. I agree with her. That's, I just felt like something was missing with Ben. There was always something lingering where I was like, I need to find the last piece of the puzzle, but I can't find the last piece of the puzzle. Where is it? Is it under the table? Is it in the couch?

I don't know. I can't find it. She also continues to say, Ben, 1,000% wants to be The Bachelor. I beg producers, please don't do it. We've been here before with the person who is so desperate to be the lead. It never works out.

I don't know. Who is she referring to there? Is she referring to Peter? I still think Peter would be a fantastic Bachelor. Okay. Moving on, continuing to quote. She says, when they want it so badly, when they've been planning it, calculating,

making certain moves to get that point, then you give it to them and it always messes up. There are so many great men from Clarenetia's season. Don't pick him. I don't want to see it. Okay, so that sounds like she's referring to Colton. Yeah, I was going to say, because I don't think she's made it a secret that she thought that, you know,

Colton planning, trying, doing what he could to become the Bachelor was wrong. And I don't think you and I would disagree at that. I don't think anybody going on this show to pursue being the bachelor is ever a good decision for anybody involved. She obviously, though, is getting these same vibes about Ben, which has been Bachelors' biggest critique of him. You know, they've invested themselves into his story. He's been vulnerable about his story, what he's been through, what he's overcome. However, there's also these moments, like we saw when he left, where he wants to say the right thing. and he only wants to say the right thing and then when he can't say it because it's not

exactly like where he's at for example when he couldn't say I love you then we see a different side where things don't add up because he can sit there the whole season and talk about how into this he is how perfect this whole thing is and then when the when he actually has to start being real and this actually has long-term consequences that are really good I think like being in a relationship then he kind of froze and so I don't disagree with Rachel um however i do i will say that my uh opinion of this moment and probably hers as well could completely change after the finale like if he comes back to say hey i if he comes back to say you know what i'm in this for you i love you i want to be here for you well then like the whole

hey he's doing this to be the bachelor thing i think would probably be defeated i think we'd have to look past it yeah yeah yeah because i think we actually have to actually have to look past it right now. Okay. You know I? Because it's too close to the finale. It seems like he wants to be with Tasha more than he wants to be The Bachelor at this point. Yeah. And I mean, here's I agree with, when I say that I agree with her, like, with her senses about Ben. I don't necessarily agree that he's like 100%. He's trying to be The Bachelor. I don't, you know, with those quotes, I'm like, a little there, a little there. Well, and we also have to understand this, actually, something we haven't brought up, which is a dynamic that it really

hasn't ever been done before like these guys aren't going to be the next bachelor matt james is the next bachelor so like if they're doing this to be the next bachelor they went into this knowing that matt james has already been chosen like yes they could go back and pull from a past season that's happened it's not incredibly common but it's happened it's not like the typical way that this goes but we're going to have a whole new group of men in just you know a year on a bachelorette season and if one of those dudes really stands out to us he'll be the next bachelor because right now Matt James' season is already done.

Yeah. I think they're great guys from this season, but they'll probably choose somebody fresher from whoever the next Bachelorette is. And it's weird that that Bachelorette season is going to start filming in March. It is wild. So, well, final headline is one that I think Bachelor Nation is just pumped for.

And if you don't know this man, he was just before the social media craze. So he didn't get the following that a lot of people thought he'd reserve. But Bachelor Nations, Markell Martin is engaged to Carrie Kisner. This is the biggest blessing in my life that, according to Markelle, like, Markell was a fan favorite. People loved him. He was on Andy Dorfman's season. Super happy moment. The pictures are incredible if you haven't seen him. He was the cookie man. If you guys remember, he, like, loved cookies and he

ate cookies with Andy a lot. Yeah. It was a big deal. So here's the thing that we can do, right? because he was before the Bachelor Nation really had a huge following on social media. If you're out there listening, go to Markell Martin's page and give him some love. Like, show him that he's still a part of this. He's a great dude. People love him. They love him after the show. So, hey, he's engaged.

We're celebrating it here at the Almost Famous Podcast. Well, Ashley, as we said, we'll be back in just a few short hours talking again about the finale of this season. It's going to be a finale that I'm super pumped for. I really am excited. I'll be tuning in with my popcorn, probably a glass of bourbon. I do have to hit the road, though. Here, listen to this. I have a charity event tonight.

I'm going to call it a charity event because that just makes me feel a little bit better about myself. But here's the truth of it. I'm going to play golf in a COVID-friendly golf simulator. So it's like a socially distant charity event against Jake Owen, Darius Rucker, and Shea Mooney right now. So I've got to hit the road. So cool. So fun. All right.

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