The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Mini In Depth: Hannah Brown

Episode Date: November 24, 2021

Wells Adams is here to talk to Hannah Brown about all the wild stories from her new book! Find out everything that went down with Pilot Pete, how she really felt about Tyler Cameron after the show ended, and more drama that you never saw on The Bachelorette!Hannah opens up in way that only Wells can inspire as she shares all with the best bartender in Paradise! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I know what you're thinking. This isn't Ben's voice. And you're also thinking, this isn't Ashley's voice. Or if it is, man, pregnancy has really taken a hard left turn for her vocal course. Nope. This is your favorite friendly bartender slash master of ceremonies. Wells Adams. I'm filling in because guess what? You know, Ben's in the islands with his brand new bride, Jess, and they are doing sexy stuff down there, which means he can't host his own podcast. And Ashley is, I assume about ready to pop. I don't know how these things work.

know that she is carrying a baby, which means I don't think she can do the podcast today. So, yeah, you get me. Sorry? But that's how it goes. Anyways, I'm excited to do this show, not because I don't love coming on the almost famous podcast and chit-chatting with all of you, but because of the guest that we are going to have today, Hannah B, Hannah Brown. She's got a new book out called God Bless This Mess. And, well, she has dropped a lot of Hannah bombs, to be fair, lots of them. We found out just a couple days ago, vis-a-vis every tabloid magazine, that apparently she was

hooking up with Peter after his season while he was still with, I don't know, whoever he picked at the end of that thing, not sure, we're going to get to the bottom of that. We also learned more about her relationship with Tyler Cameron. What really went down during that quarantine crew situation down in Florida. were they going to pound town during that time? Were they not? I don't know, but we're going to get the answers. So yeah, excited to talk to Hannah B about her new book. God bless this mess. So just try to do a mental tally in my head. Hannah B's got a book out. Ben's got a book out called Alone in Plain Sight. I believe Ashley and Jared have a children's book out. I believe Peter has a book out.

I believe Mike Johnson has a book out, which begs the question, were you ever really on The Bachelor of the Bachelorette if you haven't published a book? Also begs the question, who's reading this stuff? Well, I guess you guys are. But we're going to give you guys the Cliff Notes today. In other Bachelor news, I saw that Katie is no longer with Blake, shockingly enough. But she's now with that guy John, which she kicked off the show. I guess way to go. Also saw that Tasha is no longer with Zach. Claire, of course, no longer with Dale. Colton, I guess he's got a Netflix show coming out. Matt and Rachel are still together, which that one's actually a shocker. I would just like to say that the BIP relationships, the show that I work on, the show that, let's be fair, that I host, doing well. Dean and Kaelin, Strong. Hannah and Dylan, Strong. Joe and Serena, Strong. Ashley and Jared, strong having a kid. Tanner and Jade?

strong. Marissa and Riley, strong. I think Noah and Abigail are back together. Mari and Kenny, strong. Becca and Thomas, they broke up. They're going strong. Listen, I'm not saying that I'm the reason why it's successful. I'm just saying that the show that I work on is killing it. Also, my dogs are barking in the background because they agree with me that BIP is the place to go to find love. All right. Off the soapbox. Down to the interview. Let's get Hannah-B on the line. Hi, my name is Enya Humanzor.

And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness. this, psycho babble, then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app, search Emergency Intercom, and listen now.

Imagine that you're on an airplane, and all of a sudden you hear this. Attention passengers, the pilot is having an emergency, and we need someone, anyone, to land this plane. Think you could do it? It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that they could land the plane with the help of air traffic control. And they're saying like, okay, pull this, pull that, turn this. It's just, I can do it my eyes close.

I'm Mani. I'm Noah. This is Devon. And on our new show, no such thing. We get to the bottom of questions like these. Join us as we talk to the leading expert on overconfidence. Those who lack expertise lack the expertise they need to recognize that they lack expertise.

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Honestly, these are going to come out so freaking amazing. Be a part of my new chapter and listen to the new season of the Overcomper podcast as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IEGULTUra podcast network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth? Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced. He said, you are a number, a New York State number, and we own you. Shock incarceration, also known as boot camps, are short-term, highly regiment

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Oh, yeah. We've got some of the biggest actors. actors, musicians, content creators, and culture shifters sharing their real stories of failure and success. You were destined to be a start. We talk all about what's viral and trending with a little bit of chisement, a lot of laughs, and those amazing vibras you've come to expect.

And of course, we'll explore deeper topics dealing with identity, struggles, and all the issues affecting our Latin community. You feel like you get a little whitewash because you have to do the code switching? I won't say whitewash because at the end of the day, you know, I'm me. Yeah. But the whole pretending and, you know, it takes a toll on you.

Listen to the new season of Grasas Has Come Again as part of My Cultura Podcast Network on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hannah B. Hannah Brown, what's up, dude? Hey, nothing much. Just promoting a book. I've had a book coming out. I know. Should I write a book? I feel like I'm the only person from The Bachelor World that has written a book. I mean, why not? What would mine be about, you think?

I thought you have a lot of stories to tell, being a bartender on Bachelor in Paradise. Yes, but I am still under contract. There is an NDA hanging over my head, which I assume you are free and clear of, hence why this beautiful publication has reached the bookshelves. Well, I don't know if I'm even free. I think that it lasts forever, parts of it. So, you know, had to make sure everything was okay. But, yeah, I think we're always under one. I'm pretty sure.

Yeah. You never get away from it. I got to say, you drop some freaking bombs in this book. I haven't read it because I believe it's out like today. Today. Mm-hmm. But I'm excited to talk to you and go through kind of all the stuff that you, that you revealed in it. I will say, I think the last time I saw you, it was back when we were able to go to parties and experience the world.

And was it the, was it the Emmys? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Oh, no, not the Emmys. It was, was it the Golden Globes? Yeah, one of those. one of those shows um yeah i feel like you know i had a really weird like i was a bachelor at a really weird time because i went straight from being on the bachelorette to like being on dancing stars

and then like i just started to be able to hang out with people and then like a pandemic happened yeah um and then you know had like my own mental breakdowns and stuff so uh yeah uh yeah I haven't really seen many people from the franchise since then. Okay, well, I got to ask because you unleash a lot of, I don't know if it's dirt, but information in this book, have you talked to, like, so I know that like Peter's in the crosshairs, Tyler gets a lot of love. By the way, am I in this fucking book? Am I, do I have a chapter or something that I don't know about?

You did not make the final edits. Okay, great. Good news for me. I'm just waiting for like the daily mail to let me know that I had done something wrong. So my first question is this. Do you give those people that are in your book the heads up that you're having a book that's coming out that has information about their lives? Yes. And I mean like Tyler knew because we were kind of writing books at the same time. but no I didn't like give them a heads up because I really tried to make sure yes there was things about our personal lives in there but we also have shared our personal lives on camera

and I felt like it was really important for me to share my honest true story and everything that I put in there I wouldn't say it was dirt because I wasn't trying to be like mean-spirited or put blame on anybody for any experience because I really tried to have awareness for how I played a part and everything too. So even though yes, there were things that I revealed that people didn't know, it wasn't in a malicious way or to like put people under attack. It was just like it was things that affected me and had last lasting impacts and I think a lot of people can connect with. And so, yeah, I didn't, like, let everyone know what was going to be in the book

because I didn't really let people read the book before, not even my parents. So everybody's just having all these surprises. Have your folks read it now? Have my parents read it now? No. I mean, they get their books today. My dad was so sweet. He bought a few books for me to sign.

when I get back home but they do know what's in there like they haven't read it but like I was very honest that I was going to be honest about the things that affected me from my childhood and forward and they're aware that our family has gone through a lot of challenges but also we've grown through that and my parents were like look like write your story we support you we love you and kind of just gave me free range. The book's called God Bless This Mess, learning to live and love through life's bests, and then in parentheses, worst moments.

I hate to do this, but I got to ask the questions about the specifics of the book. I think the one that this audience cares about, which is your relationship with Peter, and so I guess I'm fuzzy on this. I've read the headlines, but your relationship with Peter, I guess after he finished filming Bachelor,

you guys had a hookup session, but he was still kind of with Madison or Hannah. I don't know who he was with. Yeah. So what happened? So the last time I saw Peter was him, you know, I was on dating with stars. He was The Bachelor.

I went on the show. Last time I saw him, he said he would lead the show. to be with me. And that was really hard because I felt like I had just gone through like two pretty major blows to my heart, my ego, everything with thinking that two guys who told me

that they loved me wanted to be with me, it didn't work out. And I think at that point, I'm like, oh my gosh, the only guy who actually loved me, cared about me is now at The Bachelor. And now I'm being, now I have to go on the show again and I'm like a mess and I think a lot of emotion just came from me just not like just being like was this even real like how have I let this affect me so much and now I do not want to be back in this setting and so the last time everybody sees me together with Peter but also just for myself before everything that happened after the show I was left with I told him

like, you know, I'm not going to be dating anybody. If it doesn't work out for you, like, I'd love to go on a date. Well, of course, like, we know he ends up getting engaged on the show. And I was happy for him and like, but I think there was still like this weird, like, that's the last time I talked to him was you wanted me to say I could be with him. So I was really confused. So we had, I think there was talks of us having a conversation. on camera after the fact because it was left so unsettled and I'm like I'm not doing that like I don't think either I'm not doing that so I think I messaged him was like I think we were both getting contacted about should we somehow have some type of resolve so we just got on the phone

and talk to each other and um it was really good to catch up and I think it allowed us like there's only a few people that can understand what it's like to be a lead of that show. It's really hard and I mean

being a part of the show I think it's just hard in general but that one really connected us and I think he looked at me as somebody that he could talk to when it was filming. So we kind of like stayed in touch a little but nothing like crossing the line at all

was just like supporting him talking through especially like the first two episodes I was in and knowing he was with somebody like it was all just kind of it was weird and I didn't really wasn't like really happy about being a part of all that because I knew I was really emotional so anyway how all that uh Hannah Godwin and Dylan's party or engagement party is um where we saw each other for the first time and it was weird because like jed was there with his girl like his new girlfriend peter was there at one point they like prepare me that tyler was going to be there and i'm like oh gosh this is going to be interesting because i haven't seen anybody and then all the rest of my ex-boyfriends

were there too so it was like i was really nervous going in there um but peter was like i have so much to tell you like when i said hello and i was like what does that mean like he's like oh I just have so much tell you. And I was like, well, let's talk. Well, the producers were there at the show, I mean, at the party and, like, kept keeping us away from each other. And so I was like, I want to know, like, what are you talking about? So you, like, texted me afterwards and was like, come outside.

And so we sat, we actually, like, sat in a driveway for a little bit and, like, around the corner and just talked and it got late. And he, like, drove me home. We kept talking. And it was all just about the. experience and then yeah I he was like well I have a flight in the morning like you want to keep talking and we'll go to Woodland Hills and I was like sure he's like and I'll drive you back like let's just and I'm like okay like sure like truly not thinking anything more than we're just

like catching up and that's what it felt like that's what it felt like and then um yeah I get there like he texts me I mean he like tells me in the car his mom texted him he's like my mom's still up. She would love to talk to you. Weird. Okay. I end up like being in their living room with Barb for like two and a half hours. Peter goes upstairs and leaves me down there.

And I'm like, what do I do at this point? Like now I'm like here. Like what do I do? Like I don't have a ride home. Like it's like some ungodly hour. And yeah, like then. And I, she was like, well, you want to just stay here? I can like make you a bed.

And I'm like, he's like, Peter's already in bed as sleep. By the way, by the way, Barb is the best wingman I've ever heard of in my entire life. Right. She is always trying to get her son, whatever, continue on. I know. So I'm like, okay, whatever. And like, she's always been kind to me, but she was not having Matt. Madison, Hannah Ann and Peter had already been broken up.

Like, he had already entered the engagement. So that's what he was telling me all about, like, how all that happened, blah, blah, blah, everything. And then the whole, like, Madison thing was going on. And at that point, he was like, I think it's just, like, over. Like, I'm just going to focus on, like, and I'm like, okay, whatever. They weren't talking. Well, I am not in the best emotional place myself. like I will be completely honest it was you know I've worked a lot this past year and a half to like

really on like heal from all that and so uh I went to his brother's room and then Peter texted me and was like come cuddle and I was I remember like sitting there like yeah I don't know like there's there was still like some like chemistry and I'm like you know at this point I'm like none of these guys love me and I want I wanted that so bad and I think because of that I made really poor decisions for myself and I went in there I can remember knowing like this is such a bad idea like this is just not I don't need to be here and when you know we ended up hooking up and it was just kind of like, I remember being like, what did I just do? Like, this was not good for anybody but also being like so confused. And then, like, was he into it though? Like was it, you know,

waking up the next morning, like gazing into your eyes? No, no, it was really, I felt really, it was like he had to go into work. And I'm like, he's like, all right, well, like, I'm going to, I got to get ready um if you want to come downstairs my my dad's downstairs would love to see you and i'm like you've got like you've got to be kidding me like i'm dying i'm like what am i going to do and he's like it's gotten really late like i overslept like i'm going to have to go and i'm like wait what and he hands me money to get an uber oh wow and that just like that was when I was like this is I was just kind of done after that which I knew immediately like I didn't feel like the chemistry but then it was like what is this and then like I went home and I'm like I just had coffee with Peter's dad in a robe I just spent the night of his house and I'm like the show still on like I'm like what did what just happened to me and I get home and then like he texts me and it was like so good to see you bud it was so great catching like something like really like glad we have each other

i'm like wait what and i was like why are you being so nonchalant about this like i don't know if that was such a good idea like it was and at that point and then he like calls me and like starts wanting to talk about madison with me literally the next day talking about how he still like cares about Madison and I'm like wait I don't know I'm in this position but I don't like it and um it was just so messy and then like I'm watching like knowing all this has happened and I was kind of over after that like after the next like the few texts and things between us I was like very turned off like I already was turned off like very turned off about how it was all handle because I'm like, this guy, sweet guy, he's not okay right now, not making great

decisions. And I'm obviously not making great decisions either. And I think at that point I was like, there's not anything here anymore. Like, it's already dead. I mean, he's making a lot of F-boy maneuvers. Like the text message, like that's basically like sup you up and then like the here's 20 bucks for your Uber home and then like the next day texting you and being like love seeing you bud that's not what you say to someone you slept with the night or hooked up with the night before and then wanting advice about another girl yeah yeah i was just like what and it's so like i think peter has a kind heart i really do like i'm not trying to like talk shit about him at all

but I'm just telling the obvious this is what the experience that I had and then like to see how he then was with Kelly at some point and then like how everything played out

and then he starts doing press and like sends me a text message basically to make sure that I'm on the same page of what he says for press and that was when I was just like I wasn't going to say anything anyway, but I was just really over it. And that thing, that's when I really wanted to distance myself from everything.

And, but he did apologize. Like, he sent me a few messages apologizing even before the book came out. But at that point, I was just, especially after all that and like that kind of being where I'm like, I want to separate myself from this for a while, just for, for, for, for, contacting myself and in my heart and needing to heal from everything. So, yeah. Have you talked to him since the book has come out? He sent me a text about it and was really kind.

Did it say, hey, come snuggle? No, it didn't. It didn't say that. But he took it really well. I haven't really messaged him back yet. But because I think he wanted to talk about it more publicly. and I don't think there's really much more to say. Yeah.

So, but I wish him well. I really do. Like I said, like all the guys that I talked about, I am not trying to be malicious at all. And I all, like, I've seen parts of their heart that are really great. And I wholeheartedly say that. But in this experiences, I learned that maybe my old patterns and, like, the way that I was feeling and the emotions,

I had just didn't allow me to have a safe, healthy relationship with anybody at the time. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble.

Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this. Attention passengers. The pilot is having an emergency and we need someone, anyone to land this plane. Think you could do it?

It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that they could land the plane with the help of air traffic control. And they're saying like, okay, pull this, until this. Pull that. Turn this. It's just. I can do my eyes close. I'm Manny. I'm Noah. This is Devin.

And on our new show, no such thing. We get to the bottom of questions like these. Join us as we talk to the leading expert on overconfidence. Those who lack expertise lack the expertise they need to recognize that they lack expertise. And then, as we try the whole thing out for real, wait, what? Oh, that's the run right. I'm looking at this thing. Listen to no such thing on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Hi, I'm Jennifer Lopez. And in the new season of the Overcomfit podcast, I'm taking you on an exciting journey of self-reflection. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself? my time. I wanted to be successful on my own, not just because of who my mom is. Like, I felt like I needed to be better or work twice as hard as she did. Join me for conversations about

healing and growth. Life is freaking hard. And growth doesn't happen in comfort. It happens in motion, even when you're hurting. All from one of my favorite spaces, The Kitchen. Honestly, these are going to come out so freaking amazing. Be a part of my new chapter and listen to the new season of the Overcumper podcast as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hola, it's Honey German, and my podcast, Grasias Come Again, is back. This season, we're going even deeper into the world of music and entertainment, with raw and honest conversations with some of your favorite Latin artists and celebrities.

You didn't have to audition? No, I didn't audition. I haven't auditioned in, like, over 25 years. Oh, wow. That's a real G-Tol. We've got some of the biggest actors, musicians, content creators, and culture shifters sharing their real stories of failure and success. You were destined to be a start.

We talk all about what's viral and trending with a little bit of chisement, a lot of laughs, and those amazing Vibras you've come to expect. And of course, we'll explore deeper topics dealing with identity, struggles, and all the issues affecting our Latin community. You feel like you get a little whitewash? because you have to do the code switching? I won't say whitewash because at the end of the day, you know, I'm me. Yeah.

But the whole pretending and cold, you know, it takes a toll on you. Listen to the new season of Grasas Has Come Again as part of My Cultura Podcast Network on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Listen, I'm running out of time with you. We only got through the peter of it all. I do need to know like I need to know the Tyler Cameron

Gigi thing into quarantine because it seems like it seems even more awkward than having coffee with Barb and Peter's dad after the hookup session. The whole Gigi and yeah

that was that was really hard and I think that's where like I taught I immediately after I got engaged to Jed was still like very open about like I don't know if I'm okay like I still have feelings for other people like I'm trying to make the best decision I'm making the safest decision but I can remember like my parents love Tyler and they're like you can change your mind like I know it's close but you can change your mind and I just felt like I couldn't so I think I always had even from the beginning like was like that what if and like, did I make the right decision? And then when all the Jed stuff came out, I was like, oh my gosh, I have the worst picker in the entire world. And yeah, I was really upset with that, but I think mostly upset because there were already some signs with Jed that it was like just not going to work out. And it was even before that, like really like the next day, I was like, what did I just do? and then I was just so hurt by like oh my gosh

like I had at that time Lily but two amazing guys that I really did care for and I didn't have the opportunity to like have that happy ending with them like that that love story that I maybe could have had and then um but Tyler I think was the one that I was like I don't think I gave it a chance enough or like I wish I would have given him a chance sooner. Why don't you think you gave him a chance? Was he just like

oh he's a pretty boy? I can't see a future with him? Because that's the perception that I got from watching the show. Yeah, for sure. I think I had a lot of, and I talked about this in the book a lot, like I kept being reminded how I was the dark horse of being

the Bachelorette and like you know, didn't it always feel worthy myself and then I'm like I just was always suspect of him I think of like what are his intentions why is he on here it's funny you were doing that with the wrong guy you chose the guy that you were worried about that exact thing happened when Tyler for sure and like I own up to that but I think there was a part of me that knew he could really hurt me Tyler could and like he eventually did because of you know everything um and I think I was scared of that but like you said like ended up that happened with a different guy um and i just i don't know

i just wasn't sure of his intentions and i'm like why does he like me i don't know and then i like i truly did fall in the sword with him i was very like this is how i feel about you i called him like i feel like i made a mistake i know that like you probably moved on but like i just felt like i need the tough of that and i was like i would just love like i don't like real life is so different than being on a show like we really haven't spent that much time together but I'd love to get to know you more and he was like well I actually so I called him after everything but in the show was on he was like well I actually like thought we could maybe hang out when I was in California like doing the after the final rows and I was like I'd love that like I'd really

love that well then like the producers like find out that we have talked and they're like well, would you ask him that on the finale? And so I called to him. I was like, are you okay with that? Like, I just want to make sure. I think everyone wanted me to have like this something to look forward to and something happy with like an engagement not ending. And so I like call him like, are you okay with this?

Like I know we're not like trying to like date, but like we just want to get to know each other again. And he was like, yeah. So when I asked him, out like it was it was already like talked about and so I was hopeful and then we did hang out like when I because I had to go to New York and I came back and it was great like we just spent the whole night talking like we ended up kissing like he was like I haven't felt like he's like I have like talked to different girls I've been on dates like I haven't felt this much

even just like a hug with you than I have with anybody else and like you know I it was very intimate and like vulnerable and talking about how we still have feelings for each other and talking about you know maybe like we kept getting offered trips and things and like going on these trips and our mom's meeting and like I was hopeful like I was like wow like this and and and at first like I was timid like I didn't expect him to like just be okay like I knew I had hurt him but then I was I was really hopeful we talked all the next day and then the next day I didn't this might have been when I last saw you I can't remember I did no last but maybe I saw you this day I had to do the um whatever with the ABC press day for I don't know what's called

and we had been talking that night and then he called me and he was like hey um you know I've been having so much fun talking with you and like I really do want to see where this goes. I just want to make sure like we're dating other like that it's okay if we're dating other people. And I just this was a really quick conversation. I was like, um, yeah, like I know we're not dating like exclusively or anything. But like for me in my heart, I just dated 30 guys and that didn't work out well. So I just kind of want to see where this, if this, if there's any potential in this for me. And he was like, uh, well, yeah yeah i get that can we can we just talk about it later like i'll call you later because it was like a quick call and i was like yeah sure i remember i went to go eat at like boss anova and then i started

getting these pictures showing up on my phone like a few hours after we talked of him and gigi together and i had even even talked to him about gg following him and was like oh man like that's really cool like you know talking about it like and that that really that hurt me truly truly so bad. I just felt like what's going on. I didn't know what was going on and he didn't call me. And then the next morning I had to get ready and I was going in to the fire of press because everything came out. And I was so confused because like a few hours before we were talking about, you know, going on trips together, like my mom coming to Florida to meet his mom, like all these things. And yeah, so we had a conversation.

on phone, it did not end well. I was really upset. He didn't, I don't think, understand what that felt like for me at that time to have to go in and now talk about this again. I just felt really embarrassed and her. And then we didn't talk for a while. Like we were over it. Do you think that subconsciously he did that to you almost as revenge? Because you did it to him effectively. You chose some other person and kind of like ripped his heart out. Do you think that subconscious he did that? Yeah, we kind of talked about that before. I think a little, but also, like, if I had the opportunity to Gigi Hadid,

I'd probably date or two. But, yeah, I think he wanted his opportunity to date. But I think just the way that it was handled felt really disrespectful. and um yeah i think i think yeah i definitely understood but i i think i needed some communication of like what is going on because i mean i will ask every question i obviously can talk to brick walling i can talk and so like i i wish you would have told me prepared me a little bit because it's not like he was just stating some random girls jiji hadd like of course that's going to come out. Well, yeah, and there's a little bit of, hey, we got papped last night

walking out of beauty in Essex or whatever it is. And I know this is going to be coming out, so I better hit up Hannah before she sees it. Like, yeah, there's a little bit of, okay, I got to go fix this real quick because I know it's going to be a thing, which makes it a little shadier. Yeah. And then after that, I was like so, like, my, I was so heartbroken. And I, but I dried my tears and I like had to put on the space of being like this strong independent woman because that was just what I felt like I was positioned to be at that point. And then I was like I'm winning this dang mirror ball. Like I just really focused on that because I was like I need a win. And I think he like messaged me once for my birthday and I was just like

thanks. And then we saw each other once at the people's choice awards and he like came up to me and I'll be honest I was not very nice like he tried to talk to me and I was like we are not cool I'm like we are not cool like I do not want to talk like talk to you but then when I saw his mom and I talked all the time like she would she really was like a team Tana fan and would like send me like have you are you guys talking yet like send nice things he said about me and we just kept a relationship and she I loved her so much. And when I saw, because I got tagged in literally everything he ever did,

that he posted something about his mom. And I had just talked to her two days before. I was like, what's going on? And at that point, I was like, I just want to reach out. And this is a time that I want to just be like, hey, like, crying for you. And then, like, he messaged me. was like I was literally just holding my mom's hand like she loved you and I was like why is he using past tense and he was like I was thinking about you like she loved you so much and I'm like

what and after that like it was like everything else just like took a seat and like took a back seat and I was able to like we talked he was like I would really love to get on the phone and just like put everything behind us and we did we really he apologized we were able to talk to each other like a day later my brother had an overdose and um i had somebody to talk to with that and he was he was there for me and i i don't think this is a good thing but i think we formed a trauma bond where we were both going through something really traumatic and hard at the same time and so we could be there for each other and i went down to florida and during the funeral and everything like I was there with him.

Like he made sure I had somewhere to stay. He stayed with me. We, you know, I met all his friends. I was at everything. He, like, really wanted me to be there. And I was so thankful. And I remember being like, wow, like, I really care about this dude, like this guy.

And telling him and him still saying he cared about me, but I also knowing he was in this like really, um like terrible situation with like losing his mom and like having to be there for his family so i was not pushing anything but it was obvious there was still like something there and then he invited me back down this is before i knew what quarantine was and i wanted to get away from my trauma which was my brother was a drug abuser and uh had three times the more fentanyl like kill a person and it was a long time he'd been struggling for a while and it was kind of like a little secret our family had and I was the person that was able to pay for him to go to a rehab center

and I like came back for that and like wished him well and then I just wanted to be away because my family was like just so upset because I mean he died and it came back to life like it was it was it was traumatizing and so I left mine my trauma to go to his and that was a really like I'll just say like that was a hard time to have any type of relationship but I don't think it was really helpful for us because I'm I'm in a place like I'm not in my home territory I only know people that are his friends I'm like staying with his family members you know like I'm staying in his bed with him like there's feelings there but some days like he just didn't want to deal with it but I'm like there like what do I do?

Did he want you there? Like I know that you got stuck because of COVID, but did he want you to stay? Were you like almost like a like a comfort for him like some sort of pacifier? I think so at some points. Yeah. I think there was sometimes like he wanted like we were over. each other like you know we would literally not talk for like a day to each other it was in a in a small house but um yeah i think i was i like i said i think there was a trauma bond there that like

i was like literally a big or typically like his comforter his blanket like just somebody to be there but for somebody who has emotions and like feelings for somebody it was it would really toy with my head and of course i did want to be like what am i doing here and he did not want to talk about it and that was really hard and it caused a lot of friction and then it like really messed with my head because then I'm like why this guy who said he loved me and you know we haven't been intimate like he he hasn't even like tried to make a move on me and then I'm like oh my gosh what's wrong with me you know and then I go into what every girl goes into and not that I don't think he meant that at all but like it just caused some insecurities to

come up um but like in all that like I think like I don't I'm not trying to say anything bad about him I think you could have handled a lot of things differently and then like even after the fact of like him being like we're still like I just let's just figure it out I'm like what does figure it out mean you know what does what does that mean because figuring out gives me hope and I don't want to have like hope if like you don't want to be with me and like a do you just want to be friends and he's like I want to be friends and like see where it goes and I'm like you can't say that don't say where it goes because I don't know how to hand like I don't know what to do with that so we just had a lot of like yeah there was just a lot that

happened and ultimately I just don't think that timing ever worked out for us and if we are really what each other wants but we have such we you know we just had a connection because of everything we've been through. Well, listen, I feel like I could do like three more hours with you on this, but I guess that's a good cliffhanger for everyone out there listening. If you want to hear the rest of the story, go by Hannah's new book. God bless this mess, learning to live and love through life's best and worst moments. It's out now. Do you do the audio book? Are you on Audible? I did do the audiobook. Nice. Yes. If you like a sound of an act, Well, hey, listen, it's good to see you. Congratulations on releasing this book. I know it's not easy to write a book, let alone write a book about your life, let alone write a book about your life, which, you know, has a lot of ups and downs, which I'm sure was difficult. So I applaud you for your bravery in doing that. I imagine this is going to help a lot of girls out there who are going through not the same thing, but similar things with boys and stuff.

So you rock and it's always wonderful to talk to you. You're the best interview ever. You can literally, I can ask you one question. You'll go for 45 minutes. I know. It's bad. I'm definitely long-winded, but I'll give you all the information. Is there anything else you want to promote while you're here?

Yeah, I'm going to be doing some. If you're in the Los Angeles area on December 4th, I'm going to have a live show. Tony Rad's going to be my moderator. and talk about the book and it'll be a good time. It's December 4th at the Hollywood Improv. You can get tickets on my link tree in my bio at Hannah Brown on Instagram. And if you're in Alabama, I'll be doing some book signings at local Barnes & Nobles and Books of Millions. So check that out. But it'll all be on my Instagram for any information. Well, thanks again, Hannah.

And also, we didn't even get to talk about it and I feel bad. But shout out to your current boyfriend Adam, who's, I'm sure, having to wade through a lot of crap right now. So shout out to him for being a good man and having to kind of deal with this right now. Hannah, thank you so much. It's wonderful talking with you. And I hope to see you again soon. Maybe at the next Golden Glob. Yes. Maybe. Thank you. Bye. All right. See ya. Follow the Ben and Ashley I, Almost Famous Podcasts on iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips.

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