The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - New Year, New Drama

Episode Date: January 3, 2024

We have some breaking news in Bachelor Nation to kick off 2024! Ben and Ashley break down all the facts about Rachel Lindsay and Bryan Abasolo’s divorce, the rumors of Kaitlyn Bristowe and Zac Clark, and who is officiating Gerry and Theresa’s Golden Bachelor wedding!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ashley, good New Year. I bet you went out. You partied hard. Oh, he's so funny. So sarcastic. Yeah. we we chilled hard we watched a whole movie I posted about Instagram we were quite proud of ourselves because we started a movie at 930 and we didn't fall asleep during it that's

that's solid we streamed New York ball dropping because 10 o'clock and Jessica had already fallen asleep once and so I said I'll stream it then we were not going to make it till midnight you mean you streamed it what is like I got on my phone and I found a stream for the live New York ball drop. Yeah. And so, because Denver wasn't going to be for another two hours. Oh, the New York version. Oh, yeah.

10 o'clock was our New Year's. We gave each other a kiss and then choose sound asleep. It was great. I loved it. It was the best night. Ashley, we're jumping on today. We have a big week in front of us with a lot of good content. A lot of exciting things to come that we'll speak about.

Probably you'll hear about it on Wednesday. Let's assume that. But we jumped on here today. because there are some big headlines coming across Bachelor Nation, some that I want to talk to you about, kind of get your insights into. And we're just going to start with the first one that is brand new. The headline is this.

The Bachelorette Brian files for divorce from Rachel Lindsay after four years of marriage. This is obviously a huge, huge headline. This is one of our married bachelor couples. It's really unfortunate. This is very sad. of course it's very sucky it's not the way to start the new year off the bachelor nation man i guess there's been a bit of smoke around this couple for a while uh we don't know whether there's been any legitimacy to the smoke though well i suppose now that they're getting divorced i

guess you can say there was but they've just always been super private they came out a couple years ago just saying that like it doesn't mean anything's wrong in our relationship we just don't share it on instagram we're just not going to and i think that's that was like met with mixed reviews just because people were like, okay, but we want to see that because that's why we follow you because we watch you on TV. We watch you meet. And this is what we, you know, we get excited to follow the story beyond the TV show. But like, we're getting used to that, right? And everything that I say now is just just like kind of general thoughts. We don't know anything. You know, you and I don't really have a relationship with Rachel or Brian. It's been, I want to say like years. since I've spoken to either of them. And it's just obviously just sad and sucky. The big news that we have that kind of tie some of the loose strings here. We can only speak on the things that have been released and things that we do know.

Yeah. Brian spoke so far. By the time this goes to air, who knows whether Rachel will have, tell them the facts, Ben. Well, I mentioned a few weeks ago. Something weird was happening. and now it's even we're even we're getting on Instagram I kept getting these comments on Instagram on every picture I shared or messages saying

hey why don't you start talking on the podcast about Brian filing for filing for divorce from Rachel and I was like because I didn't know that was a thing this person seems like a bot too this person like didn't have a picture but was commenting on both of our socials but now okay so here's my big question for you more in general. So now this actually is happening.

You know, Brian is filing for divorce. How do these people know? Like how does this information get out there where somebody obviously for the last few weeks were they just guessing and they got really lucky? Did they know something that nobody else knew? Like how do bots or sleuthers or whatever?

How do they know this information? I don't know. I want to say this person actually. just kind of like, got lucky. Okay. Because there hasn't been anything blaring to me. Rachel even was more open than often on a red carpet over the fall, saying that they've been trying to have children,

but it's just been harder than she anticipated. You know, the whole, you think when you're young that like you stop using contraception and all of a sudden you're going to get pregnant, and it just doesn't turn out like that. and then she also mentioned something on Nick's podcast a few weeks ago about the same thing. So they've apparently been trying for children and, you know. Well, it is interesting because she did just do Nick's podcast. She did mention something that out of everything else, you know what?

If they don't want to show themselves on social media, yes, I'm sure fans were like, hey, that's unfortunate. I don't personally really care. It's your deal. Make your marriage work how it is. But she did say something during Nick's podcast that stood out to me that did find, I found it alarming or interesting, unique. She said they lived two very separate lives.

Like there wasn't a lot of parallels in their lives. That in a marriage does feel weird, right? Like that just isn't how I've ever understood marriage work, but I learned something new about marriage every day. So I was like, that's interesting that they're making a marriage work by living two very different lives that they don't really see each other and there's not a lot of crossover. Did she say like we don't really see each other often? Well, she said that Brian works a lot. He works 12 hours a day in his clinic and she's kind of back and forth doing her stuff. And so I mean, maybe the assumption was made by me that they don't see each other very often. And so that was just a new tidbit that I was like, that's interesting. And then you have Brian today come out and he did release a statement. We don't see Brian share a lot on social media, but he did release a statement today. It says, if you've been following me for a while, you know, I don't like to put my personal affairs on social media and like to keep a safe space for our family.

family. Many of you know me as a chiropractor and also as a husband, my proudest role so far. After more than four years of marriage, Rachel and I have made the difficult decision to part ways and start anew. My parents have been married forever and I'm a family man, but sometimes loving yourself and your partner means you must let go. I wanted you to hear it from the source before the blog start making up their own reality. Please respect the spaces of our family and friends as we figure out. out our next steps. So that's straight from Brian. It was released today. He did share that once obviously people started to pick up on the news. He had filed a report. It's actually kind of interesting. This so far seems to be the first divorce filed in L.A. County in 2024.

Yeah, people have been commenting. It was like the first thing he did that he was the first moment he could file in the new year and he went for it and he said that the day of separation was new year's eve so like i don't know how that works like do you know more about like the day of separation yeah he did file i mean there's there's so much in the report right he did file for um spousal support spousal support uh and so you spousal support will work as uh he probably wanted spousal support to be dated as far as long as he could, right? So if separation was 1231, that means he is, he is claiming to be owed spousal support up until 1231. So he didn't do it weeks earlier because maybe there was a big end of the year check that Rachel was receiving

or maybe there was some money coming in that he thought he was maybe entitled to. So he just, they probably set this date as 1231. It would be shocking to me if they could file for divorce fill out of the paperwork, get attorneys rallied around. It's the weekend. It's holiday. If something weird happened or bad happened on actual New Jersey.

Yeah. So I think this is, I mean, my assumption, again, not going to go too far into it because Brian has asked for that space. But my assumption is that 1231 is not actually the day of separation. It is the legal claim

that Brian's attorneys have taken to say, hey, he is owed spousal support since he is asking for it. For the entire year. for the entire year. Yeah. Yeah. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious.

Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. then against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person,

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like, you may know me as a chiropractic. Why did he bring that into the conversation? I don't know. It's his career. He's proud of it. I don't have any idea how big of, like, how big his clinic is.

It, you know, kind of be like just saying, you may know me as an anesthetian, but I'm also a wife. It's like, well, yeah, you're, yeah, that makes sense. Um, it's big news though in Bachelor Nation. It is really, they are one of our couples that have been married. Um, I mean, for they've been married for four years. They seemed happy. We just didn't know a lot about them because they did keep their lives fairly private. Uh, it is, you know, Rachel did just go on Nick Viles podcast and, and give an interview. And there wasn't any hints coming from that. There was any, uh, trouble in paradise. Besides what you just said. Yeah. Besides like the stuff that we've just kind of been surprised. by in general. Like, hey, we're not going to show each other on social media. We may live

separate, you know, in separate places, all these things. But it's like, if it works, it works. We should also mention that she added him to her year in review post that she posted two days ago. And like, there are pictures and videos of him in it. And it says as the caption, definitely one of the hardest years of my life, but choosing to focus on grateful moments and carrying that energy into 2024. Based on that caption, Even if he's in the video, I feel like that means, like, she obviously knew that this was going to be declared in a few days. I have no. I mean, I, see, I personally, I would say I think this is maybe a surprise in some ways because I...

Really? Because I know people are saying that. You think that this is... You don't you think that he went to the courthouse without, like, days or weeks? I mean, this, you know, these things don't happen overnight, but I do think sometimes they come as a surprise, depending on how heightened the level of, frustration or emotion or whatever has gone into this becomes. I just, I don't know. I'm always surprised by stuff,

but I would find it surprising if you would post a year in review with somebody that's also you knew what you were getting separated from because you'd have these conversations like this where people would be like, what's going on here? Like you just posted, you're happy, you didn't interview, you're happy. Like, things are good. And now of a sudden they're not. Like, what happened?

I don't know. The kid thing, the trying for a kid thing is what's throwing me off. you're trying for a kid within like a month and now you guys you know i i mean i have people that you know try for kids in in the midst of turmoil when they think it might help bring them closer together but yes there is uh this is this is big news there's still a lot uh to come out i'm sure who knows how much details will will get we just got another one what's that it says he's requesting that she pay his attorney fees so i don't know if that's normal normal or not. It feels like he's upset. I think that's like maybe the most generic, the most

simple, the probably the least astute comment that we can make is he's upset. He is, you know, based on the filings, this is not going to just be an easy split. There will probably be a battle because there's money involved and there's time involved. And we'll keep everybody updated as best as we can, as best as we know. But that is big news. And it is sad news. We, we want those two people together. We wanted them together. This is not something even when those comments are coming through that I expected, nor did Ashley expect. And Bachelor Nation is getting off to a wild star. And this next, well, headline isn't any less wild. Caitlin Bristow reacts to romance rumors with Tasia Adams X, Zach Clark after New Year's Eve

footage. This footage was shot with Zach Clark and Caitlin together after months of, I guess a month of rumors that maybe they were talking. Yes. So Caitlin had a New Year's Eve party at her house, her new house. It was like a housewarming party slash New Year's Eve extravaganza. It was supposed to be Roaring 20s theme.

And I am surprised that she didn't, it seems like she didn't expect news to come out of it. but even if there's this video circulating online where she is basically like hanging on like she's like standing above on a stool or like an ottoman and she's kind of like putting her weight on Zach Clark who she has been rumored to have maybe a thing with of course this the controversial part of this is that Zach is Tasha's ex and Tasha and her co-hosted the show's multiple seasons of the shows together so

not only is he there at the party but also we have the Vanderpuk rule star Katie Maloney and we also have Blake moines there and Blake posted a picture

of he and Zach together but the video that came out with Caitlin and Zach during the countdown the ball drop countdown we don't know what happened once it hits

Happy New Year because it was the countdown that was shown on Instagram is like five, four, three, and then it stops rolling. So, okay, all this is out there. It certainly looks to just the viewer's eye to be that there's something romantic between Caitlin and Zach, especially following, you know, like all these rumors. And once all this dropped yesterday, Caitlin posted a lot on social media.

about people's reaction to this. It's not a launch. It's not a hard launch whatsoever. But just the- Seems like a soft launch. It does seem like a soft launch. And she was very upset about people's reaction to it. Would you like me to read her post?

Yeah. I think it's, I mean, I think the best way to cover these things is by reading exactly from the source. Again, I sit here shocked and confused that how a month that these rumors have been spreading and I've been like there's no way. That's not true.

And then all, son of a gun, the rumors are right. I'm going to be nervous when there's rumors about me that I even know are going to exist yet. They're going to be like, Ben's going to win the lottery. That's a rumor that you guys can start. Then in a month I win the lottery. Yeah. That's just, that's like

that's manifesting. We'll manifest that for you. So Caitlin posted this to her story along with lots of violins. Like, she was, you know, playing this. What is the expression like playing the small violin yeah like playing a tiny violin like yeah you well i don't know it yeah i know you're saying like a poor me or it's like a it's like oh the ties it's like oh you do you know it's kind of like ah you guys stop i don't know you know somebody

tell me better definition of that expression but she posted tiny violins and she also posted a picture of her wearing a sweater that said please be nice and now this is the statement. Everything else is kind of like just like allusions to her reactionally. She posted a text message between her and a friend. And now this is, sorry, blah, blah, blah, blah, this is the statement.

You would think by now I'd be used to the hate. I'm not. Your words hurt. Your shaming hurts. Part of me feels a little sad and honestly embarrassed for you guys because this shouldn't be how you spend day one of a new year. you should not be this invested in someone you don't even know or respect. It's actually scary. And I know looking inward might be even scarier for you. But the bullying is next level. You are allowed to have

opinions and feelings, but you don't even know the truth. Your hate should actually come with consequences. I truly worry about some of your mental health. It's not okay. It's not. Please. Please feel ashamed for yourselves for treating someone this way, who you don't know. I did not kill someone. I had a party with a few of my favorite people. Shame on you. Well, we weren't invited that party. I know.

I am not one-dimensional. What you see on people's social media does not mean you know them. And this part might sting, but I would never, ever want to switch places with you. Your life seems so sad, so I will not take the opinions of someone who I would not trade places with. It feels like she's like speaking to one person there. Like, this isn't like a universal statement. This feels like a very directed statement. I will say this.

The evil in me wants to be around next time Tate and Caitlin have to hang out. Is that bad? I mean, do I not? Is it not like, I want to see how they? somebody like resolve to their next meeting, right? Yeah, I want to see how they resolve

conflict. Well, okay, there's lots to unpack here. Tasia has moved on to a very happy-seeing relationship that she's been in for, I think, when I say close to a year,

yeah, maybe it's fine. Then she and Zach have been broken up for at least two four years. Yeah. Now, here's where I, you know,

all of this pretty much is Ben and I just talking, about what we see on the internet and like the rumors and all that but this is one thing I do know for sure and I will clearly state to everyone is that the rumors of which she was cheating on Jason with Zach are absolutely not true and I don't even know how people could come up with this fact because I mean guys they broke up in July they broke up in July it's like six months ago, why would you ever infer that she was cheating on him because she's moved on six months

later? I don't know. I didn't know this thing. I just know this. Okay. I just know that she's dating Zach then? I don't know anything. But I do know that. Ashley. All right. We're going to move on from this. We're getting too close to Ashley what Ashley knows. No, I don't really know anything. But I do know that. But I do know. that, like, she didn't cheat on Jason. I don't think she probably did. I didn't know there was a thing that was even being rumored. That is a thing. That is one of the reasons that she's so hyped up.

Oh, goodness gracious. Yeah, she's really angry because a lot of people are inferring that she could have cheated because people are thinking it's kind of like this quick overlap that she had between Sean and Jason. Okay. She is pretty good at getting the top threes, Sean, Jason, Zach. Jason was three. Yeah.

Cream of the crop. You have to think. She also, I would have thought that she would have been prepared for this if she decided to date Zach. I'm sure she, I mean, yeah, you would think. If they are dating, you would think that she would have gone in being like, this could get ugly for a bit. And then it's going to be great. But we don't know. It's just videos.

It doesn't, you know, doesn't mean anything. She probably wants to kill the person who posted that video. No, I'm sure she knows who it is. The person is never getting invited to a wedding again. Yeah. I mean, a New Year's Eve party. That person gets dropped out of her favorite friend group and we get added in, Ashley. I can't wait.

I would never take a video like that. I'd sworn to secrecy. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast. So we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor

a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now hold up, isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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Exactly. So to me, even though they're cozy, they certainly still look friendly. And Jared and I did our fair show. of stuff like this and yes I wanted people to say Jared's so dumb for not dating you

why aren't you guys dating so maybe Olivia is doing the same even though I think they posted them as a collaborative post so they probably just bowl who want people to talk I love it go for it we like talking about them

fine this is fun it's the only couple in Bachelor Paradise that's going to work yeah oh probably but can we just talk one more second about these friend

friend slash are they going to Are they not going to? I know I grilled Susie and Justin last month at the Bachelor Mansion. We have a whole episode about it. They are spending, no, they have to date now. This is getting actually ridiculous. Oh, they're dating. Let's be honest.

They went to Miami together for that art, Basil. And then she went to Baltimore for New Year's. She went to his home for New Year's. Oh, they're dating. And then went to a race in my mind. I'll start that. rumor. I damned her. I go, okay, this is enough already. It's time to date. And then she just sent me like the like I closed Mikey emoji or something. She's good. She's really good at this. Yeah,

who knows? I'll be shocked if they don't come out as dating or if we don't find out later on that they were dating. Ashley, those are the big headlines today. We have another final kind of thing to mention is this Thursday, live television. The Golden Bachelor wedding. Teresa and Gary will be tie in the knot. It's going to be a very exciting event for Bachelor Nation. It's the first live wedding in many, many years since Tanner and Jades. Well, I guess you've had some in paradise. But it's the first live wedding. They're not live though. They're not live. Jen Tanner's wasn't live either. This is going to be a huge production. Holy crap. That's going to be wild to watch. Absolutely wild to watch.

I don't know how they're going to do a live wedding. Who knows. I just cannot wait to witness this beautiful love story continue on national television make sure you tune into that oh you know who's officiating who Chris Jenner the fake Chris Jenner oh Susan

Susan yeah good should we get at this remember how she her occupation was officiant she should then there she goes very incestual this wedding seems to be

I mean I already saw some Instagram stories of people already going there some former ladies from this season it feels very fast to be like, yeah, hey, Gary Na didn't work out, but we're going to go to the wedding now. But good for them.

That's, guess how this whole Bachelor Nation works? Look at the headlines we just covered the day. Everybody dates each other at some point or ends up at each other's weddings. We're all good friends here. Very friendly people. All right. Well, hey, we'll be breaking down that wedding and so much more continuing this week. On the next week, we're getting closer and closer to Joey season of the Bachelor.

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