The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Newlyweds Take the Mansion with Dean and Caelynn Bell

Episode Date: December 18, 2023

Dean and Caelynn Bell are hanging with Ben at the Bachelor Mansion and sharing everything about their recent wedding, their big move to Colorado, and Dean’s potential hip replacement! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yeah. Dean and Caitlin. Great distinction. Yeah. Very important distinction. We stayed in the same room. Yeah. People I've slept with. In the same room. In the same room, separate beds. I think we were all surprised by that having, sharing a room. Yeah, it wasn't something I expected. But it worked out great. It was so much fun. So I'm going to start with our Hawaii trip. Okay. Because there is something we need to talk about. I've heard through Great Vines on your podcast. That's a really good podcast. that I'm being blamed for an injury that Dean currently has. I thought you were going to go somewhere else with that. Wait, what were you thinking? The thing that we were talking about on the way. Oh, no, no, he's already owned it.

I know. Yeah, yes, yes, Ben. You hurt me. Okay, so here's what happened during this trip. Dean, Kaelin, my wife and myself were in Hawaii. The reason that Dean and Kailen came because I love you, Jess loves you, we had a trip to Hawaii planned with Hilton Grand Vacations and were like, How fun would it be if Dean and Kailen can come?

And then you guys came. And it was great. But at night, here's the problem with traveling with Jess and I. And I understand this. Jessica and I are very early to bed people. Like we do not love like late night bar sessions. Which is why we knew we want to travel to you guys because we are the same. Yes, we're the same.

Kailen more so than me. But yes, we're definitely early sleepers as well. Especially on trips. Yeah. So like it's really fun during the day, early mornings, early nights. but we got back two different nights but one night in particular where we decided let's play a game like games are fun so dean and I made up this game where yeah no no you need all the credit for this you made up a game so that's where I think I have a differing opinion but um so I made

up this game where if you guessed the card incorrectly so it was red or black in a deck of cards then the then if you got it wrong the person that was the dude got to pick a workout that the other person had to do. Well, it started out with push-ups. So you would guess the color. If you got it wrong, you had to do 10 push-ups. And we, after about two or three cards, we were like, I can't do any more. I'm exhausted.

Yeah. It's a lot of push-ups. I've done 70 push-ups in 20 years. I couldn't use my arms for weeks. And so we started to go to jump squats, burpees. And then the girls came in. And we were like, guys, aren't. arms are noodles. What should we do? And then I think you looked at them, Jess looked back at you

and somehow it got up to the point where it's like, why don't you girls think of a workout for the guy that doesn't get the card right? Yeah. Yeah. And all of a sudden, a couple weeks after the vacation, Dean shows up on Instagram saying that he has a hurt hip. He can't walk. He can't move. He's absolutely in so much pain. And then there's a clip of it being blamed on me. And so I an attorney because I was worried for a lawsuit. You're being served. Proactive. I love the proactivity.

So the question that came from all of this is how are you feeling? Well, I just got an MRI on Monday. Gosh, thank you. I got an MRI, Ben. Okay. You know what that is? That's when they can't see anything wrong with an X-ray, so they have to send you the MRI machine.

What does an MRI stand for? Gosh, I'm not even quick enough to think of what that could possibly be. Do you know how, how, do you know how, do you know how, awkward it is to be in an MRI machine. You've tore in ACL. You've probably been in one before. I've been in MRIs. I've never felt awkward. I've felt very relaxed. There's no way to feel relaxed in an MRI machine. It's the so funny. I walked in there and they're like, do you want to listen to music? And I was like, could you put on Monday Night Football? And they said no. You can put on music. And I said,

okay, put on coffee shops tunes. And I was thinking like, that's all I was going to hear the entire time. They put on this coffee shop tunes volume at like a four. So it wasn't very loud. And I said, and then the machine the entire time is just making these insane noises non-stop insane noises and I'm like what's the point of music I can't even hear what's going on anyways all I just say I don't know

what's wrong with the hip it is the most agonizing pain of my entire life it hurts more now than it did when I broke it initially and the only person I can think to blame in this entire situation is you so thank you very much for that it hurts it hurts

I will say to your credit to your credit you're such a nice guy you're so loving you've texted me once a week and you've checked in with me how is the hip doing and uh i appreciate that you know just because you're the cause of it doesn't mean that you have to forget about me so i appreciate you at least being the culprit doesn't mean you'd have to i appreciate you karen yeah if i was in prison for this i'd still be texting you so the this hip comes from a past story obviously that people very know very well you broke your hip when you were skiing in Switzerland and Caitlin was so sweet to come out and obviously stay with you in your hospital room as you recovered because you were obviously this is a big deal and you just

think this is something that's happened based on that injury years ago so i was asking the doctor i was like worst case scenario what's like the absolute worst case scenario and he said necrosis is the worst case scenario okay and i was like okay yep that's what that means blood is not getting to the right places so the reason i got the surgery in switzerland and it's so it's messed up because I was hopped up on painkillers and they, which makes sense. Like you, they give you painkillers so you can get to the hospital and then you're at the hospital and they give you your diagnosis. But you're going to be hopped up on painkillers while they give you your diagnosis.

And I was the only person there, so I was the only person I could speak for myself. But why would you say no to the surgery? I wish I could have said no to the surgery. Why? What would you have done? Just let it heal? So what they said was you're at risk to suffer from necrosis, which is if there's, and I'm just going to butcher this.

I'm no doctor. If there's a fracture in a bone, the fracture could let blood into the bone, and then it, like, deteriorates the bone from the bone from the inside, or something like that. And what they wanted to do was drill into the bone to heal the fracture, essentially, to not let any outside organisms into the fracture. And I know there's, it's just not right, but that's what I remember it being, at least. It sounds right. And so, but in my head, I wish I would have just been like reset my hip, put it back in the socket,

it, let the bone figure itself out. So what they did was they put five screws in there and put a plate in there. Anyways, all this is to say. So I asked the doctor, what's the worst case scenario? You said necrosis. And I said, okay, what's the, what do I do if I have necrosis amputation? He goes, no, it's a hip replacement. And I was like, oh, can you just replace my hip now?

Like, that doesn't sound so bad. Hip replacements have come such a long way. You could be walking out of the hospital that same day. Dean is a big hip replacement fan. I'm so pro hip replacement. He wants one so bad. I'm so pro hip replacement. It's disgusting.

Um, so yeah, so that's, that's worst case scenario, which really isn't that bad of a scenario. But, um, yeah, there's agonizing pain. Every, every, every, so what I've done is I've kept a log of the food that I've eaten because what I think it is is a circulation issue. So if I eat red meat, particularly like deli meats, like slimy, pepperoni, every time I go to subway or go to Jimmy Johns or Jersey mics and I eat my Italian sandwich, which I love so much, my leg an hour later is just throbbing and intense pain. And I'm like, so, you know, so inconsolable. Kailen's like, what can I need to help?

And I'm like, just get away from me. I don't need anyone around me. Give me my ibuprofen. And so that's what I'm dealing with. But I think I've managed it a little bit better with my food intake. Like I'm only eating greens and chicken. We should find out tomorrow too about the MRI results. I should have found out like two days ago.

That's what I thought. Yeah. It's kind of frustrating that it's taken so long. You know if they give you a hip replacement, you can actually ask them to like give you an inch and height. Oh, I thought you're going to say an inch somewhere else. I was way more excited about it. Just get taller or shorter if you want.

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And then Dean texts. He's like, I don't know. I just turned it towards my head. And then Dean texted. He's like, getting an X-ray. And I was like, I would have been so embarrassed if I sent a text about the house. Wait, for the record, I might be embarrassed now for making it about me instead of making it about us. No, it's definitely about you because I've been texting you on the side too. Yeah.

So, okay. So you just mentioned the house. You guys have been kind of dabbling in the idea of. moving to Colorado. We'll be your neighbors. And so this is now semi-official, kind of getting closed. You're looking more in the Aspen region, which is like two and a half hours from Jessica and myself, and we've been so excited for you guys to find a place.

How's that going? It's good. We close in about two to three weeks. And so I'm not allowing myself. I was so excited, like just so giddy and so ready to get out there. I'm not allowing myself to be excited until like the people. papers are signed. It's our home. But we are very, very close. Closer than we've been. We've been under contract three times now. We have, I have fall in love with 10 homes at this

point. What it would take for us not to get the house at this point? Because that's what, whenever you put some, you put some little ideas into my head that kind of freaked me out. Well, because people ask this question, like Ben just asked. And I always say we're like literally in the like latter stages of ceiling. Like, we've done everything. Like we just have to wait until the date and it closes. And this is for me to understand, too, like, what is, what would it take for it not to close? I don't imagine. Maybe they not give us our loan. I think that's the only thing at this point. We've already pre-approved. We've been pre-approved. They're at the very end stages of the loan process. The owners can still pull out. What? That's what that, it's what he said. But in Colorado, even?

I don't know. Colorado is very buyer-friendly, according to our real estate agent. I know. You're still weeks away. I trust him. I think you guys are good. So Colorado is the new home. Are you excited about this? Oh, I'm so excited. Okay. So I mean, I'm, I know, I'm, I know, I'm, I'm, I know, Dean is excited because this is kind of where he grew up. It's obviously a place that he knows well. He has friends there. He has familiarity with it. Caitlin, this is not a place that you've ever lived.

It's not remote. I mean, it's right on a main highway and you have Aspen there and you have some other big cities. You know, Vail's not that far away. This is a big move. This is away from, you know, a lot of the things you've ever known. How are you feeling about it? I'm excited. I think it was a good move.

us moving to Vegas and figuring out if we can leave L.A., like leave our friends, leave our life in L.A. because Vegas and L.A., it's a 30-minute flight. It's a four-hour drive. So, like, gradually leaving L.A. has been really good. And now I'm, I'm so ready to be there. Also, we knew no one in Vegas aside from my grandparents. We had zero friends. And now that we're leaving, I've, like, started to be like, put myself out there a little bit more and make friends. So I'm excited to move to a new place and put myself out there kind of immediately and find that core group. But then we also have you guys. You're not like next door neighbors, but you are close enough where we can do weekend trips, ski trips. It's like, I mean, that's what Colorado does,

right? Like the weekends are in the mountains. And so it's not like crazy to think two and a half hours. Right. To spend time together. Colorado is a great place to live. You're going to love it. I knew nobody when I moved out there. And it is like the coolest spot if you let it be. Okay. Now we're going to transition wildly to a few things as we close this episode. I want to touch on two different subjects. The first one is marriage. You guys are now married. Your wedding was absolutely fantastic.

You've talked about it a bazillion times. There's pictures. It was amazing. So now that you're a married couple, what is your favorite thing about Dean, Caitlin? Oh. It's going to be hard for her to think of that thing. I love his blonde hair.

Okay. If that's the only thing that you can think of, it's bad. It's real bad in that case. My favorite thing about Dean since being married. Not a lot has changed since being married. I will say the first couple weeks after, like, seeing him go from saying, like, I'll never get married, I don't want to get married, I want nothing to do with it, to then right after the wedding, talking to you, talking to Josh, talking to, like, our friends who are married and just sharing with me and our other friends just, like, how much he loves marriage and how great it is to have a wife and the way that he says he loves me, whether it's to my face or through friends, and I hear it through their great friend, it's very nice to hear it. yeah and also he's so handy he can build anything this guy and this is great for you

sucking up to me now this is great for you because he can fix anything he's like he's sitting over there his eyes are glistening he's like oh my he can fix anything he can build anything he's so talented and it's uh i don't know if i told you this but my friend loren one of my best friends she lived she moved to virginia right when i moved out of virginia and i remember i went to visit her and her husband and she's like yeah matt's going to build me this Matt's going to build me this. And I remember, like, walking to her home, like, I'm kind of envious that you have this guy who can just, like, build anything for you?

And then she came to the wedding. She's like, do you remember saying that to me? And now you have exactly what you were once envious of me for? He was talented. When we were in Hawaii, he'd walk past tables and be like, I like that table. I could build it. Yeah. Well, I said that about everything.

Oh, that ringlight over there? Yeah, I could probably build that. Yeah. Dean, what's your favorite thing about Kaelan? As a married man versus an unmarried man? Just like over the last few months. I think marriage is great because I, there's so many things that are great about marriage. But it's nice to know that like, even if you're at your worst and you're not doing your best,

like I go through if it's a depression, so my frequently, and it's not like diagnosed and I'm not medicated for it or anything like that, but I just like know that I go through my ups and downs as a human being. It's nice to know that during my downs, I can not have to worry about like someone, leaving me, I guess. And so it's like a kind of a selfish way of describing that. But like, it's nice to know that during your deepest deeps, you can know that like eventually when you're back at your highs again, everything will be fine and stand to where they could be. And the only reason I like gravitate towards that is because I'm going through a fit of depression

in the moment, like over the past like a few days, I guess you could say. So that's like top of mind. But it's just nice to know that, you know, because typically when you're single and you're, even if you're dating or just fully single, if you're in a bad space, you can feel really like on an island and you're totally alone. You're scared to even verbally express

that you're depressed because you don't know how the other person is going to react. But when you're married, you can just say that and be like, listen, like I'm just going through something right now. And it's nice to know that if you're going through something, that person, like, is legally obligated to stand there.

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illness, psycho babble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free iHeartRadio app search emergency intercom and listen now well it's interesting because jess and i have been we've gone to couples therapy since the like really the week we got married like it's we've always said we want couples there to therapy to be a consistent and not be the thing that just saves our marriage or has to like fix us so it's just like now a rhythm for us and last week was the first time where i was sitting there and we were talking through stuff and i was like i'm a really hard person to be married to. Oh, sure. I'm really tough. Like, I, I, my mind swirls in a thousand different directions. My highs are really high. My lows are really low. Sometimes I don't

even know what I'm feeling or thinking at the time. And so I say all this to say, like, I think Caitlin and Jess share the same quality where like the cool part of that for me is when I'm going through it. I'm still wanting to be a good husband, I guess. But I don't worry that Jess is, like, going to bounce. Yeah. Like, or make it harder on me or be like, snap out of it. Yeah. Like, get better now.

Right. Like, she's like, no, I'm in it with you. And so, like, there is that comfort. And it obviously has made those, like, seasons of, like, really high highs and really low lows easier because I don't have to worry that I'm going to end up being alone and all that. Yeah. It's tough for me because up until now, and granted, like, I felt this amount of comfort

before our marriage. So, like, it's hard to say since being married because it's always... We felt like we've been lifelong partners for three years or a year and a half in our relationships starting from then. It's hard to say that since marriage, but it's like, I agree with you. You don't want to share those, like, negative aspects because you're worried about the repercussions of them. And, I mean, look, everything you just said about yourself and Jess is so true for us, too.

Like, I am so unlovable in so many ways. And I know you say that a lot, too. But, like, there are so many things that, like, Kailen's like, you're doing this wrong and you're doing that. wrong and I'm like you're absolutely right and that sucks of me to do and we even just had this argument yesterday where I was like instinctually like that's just who I am and I I could try to change it but I don't think that I can go through every day remembering to do that thing that you want me to do and so I can't promise you that I can do that all the time and so like I just I can't and it makes me

feel guilty because I'm like I need to be this person that she wants me to be but I don't think I can be, and I want to try to be because I love her so much. But it's just, yeah, it's a crazy challenge. But like you said, too, and like we have kind of already talked about is like, yes, it's great to be married because whether she likes it or not, she has to, she has to be part of this. And they're both a type of person that like, you know, they also oddly want to be a part of our lives. Yeah. Which is like super weird to me that like, just every morning is like, I'm so excited to be married to you. And Caitlin's like, I'm so excited to be married to Dean. And I'm like, I don't know why. Yeah. I have no idea why, but I'm so.

happy you're here. Yeah, no, it's nice. It's definitely, it's great. Marriage is awesome. I would recommend it. Also, I do think that just like being able to talk about couples therapy is huge because people are so willing to shy away from that. And people do think it's a fix. It's like you only go to couples therapy if it is, like you have to fix infidelity or whatever it is or like a big issue in a relationship. And I think it's great to talk about like there are such positives to come from it. And a friend of mine started it in right before they were getting married. They did marriage counseling, and it helped them so much communicate that they still do it to this day. And I think that's something that I wish couples would talk more about, where it's not a

shameful thing. Like, people talk about therapy all the time, but talking about couples therapy kind of has this, like, clouded shame behind it. And even this, like, it doesn't have to, like, it doesn't have to be a therapist. Like when Ben's around or when friends are around, I feel like there's like an intermediary. Like, I feel like I just told Ben things and you things about us that I have been able to express verbally to you individually. You know what I mean? So, like, just to have someone else to, to, like, placate the conversation to is so helpful. So I agree. Super pro-therapy and not making it weird.

So it's never weird. Like, if you do it so often so much and you talk about it, it's never weird. It's not like, just calls me next week. And she's like, hey, I think we need to go therapy next week. And I'm like, oh, okay, cool. Like, it's not like what's happening in our life. It's like, no, like, we haven't been in a bit. We need to talk through some stuff that we need another voice of wisdom there because you and I aren't, like, necessarily.

smart enough or like wise enough or like seasoned enough in marriage to know what is best next. The hardest part about therapy to me is just getting in the car and driving to therapy. Yeah, then it's fine. But I agree like from a psychological standpoint, amazing. And I agree too. Like it's it's tough to like stomach the idea that your relationship needs therapy, quote unquote, but it's not that it needs therapy. It's just like you can benefit. But every relationship does just like every person does. And yeah, I just want to shame behind it to go away. And I feel like shame behind therapy has gone away because people talk about it. But breaking that barrier between like relationship therapy, couples therapy hasn't, we haven't figured that one out yet.

It's tough for me too because I, I know we're tangenting here a little bit. It's tough for me because I've been, I've learned through life to withdraw. So like if something goes bad, I just withdraw and I stay silent and I just don't say anything. And a lot of people I feel like are in that kind of same boat. And so when we get an argument, Caitlin and I, all I want to do is take my time and be by myself and how she experiences it is like oh he's like shunning me out he's pushing me away but how i'm experiencing is like no i just like need this time for myself to recharge and like be alone and it's just perceived so differently from both perspectives and it's just it can be a challenge sometimes but like i don't know you and i spent a lot of time single too so that's always something

you remember is like you and i both even though we dated but like you and i got really used to being alone. And there's, I mean, listen, I love Kalyn to death. I would do anything for her, but there's no and, maybe this isn't the right thing to say, but there's no person in this world that I love more than myself. And I love you so much. Don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. I love you so much and I would do anything for you. And it's not that I, I'm not saying like I wouldn't, I literally would probably die for you. But like, I know myself so well and I'm so comfortable with myself because I've spent so much time with myself and just being alone and just like spending time with me that like sometimes when I just need to recharge and and get back to a level of like being comfortable

being around people is like I just need to be alone I think that's what it is it's like I don't that's just I don't know you and I both are similar we both uh I just got really used to being single and so like there's many days where I go watch TV alone or I like go for a walk alone yeah um there are so many times where I'm traveling or I'm just alone and all my my brain goes somewhere and it just like it feels so weird but at the same time it feels so right and you just can't get there by being with anybody else because they take your brain out of that mindset sometimes I'm not smart enough to do too many things at once and so I've got to be on like a one path mind okay as we close here I do want to give whoever you thinks the best salesperson for this talk about your

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