The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Not Your Average BARBeque

Episode Date: March 11, 2020

Part one of Peter’s finale and we’ve got two of his girls with us to break it all down. Savannah and Sydney are hanging out with Ben & Ashley to discuss EVERYTHING about the woman who stole the show… Peter’s mom Barb! Was she too emotional???Ben gives us his honest reaction to Barb’s discussion about faith with Madison. And Ashley shares her theory about Hannah Ann.Plus we hear their predictions for part 2! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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But that's not all. this is going to be a wild episode we're going to dig into everything that is peter and peter's season ashley how you doing i am mind boggled how are you why are you mind boggled i'm like i've never reacted to an episode like i did last night twist in turns just how so total shocks i can't believe that after this entire season of saying that peter's mom Barbara was crying over Madison. I find out that she was crying over Hannah-Anne. The last person I feel like she'd cry over. It is a little weird. So let's, before we bring on our guests for today's podcast, Ashley, let's start at the beginning. First off, I'm currently on tour

right now. I'm in Minneapolis tonight. And I want to tell you this, Ashley, I always love sharing this with you because it's true. I was just in, we did our Washington stint last week. And you have so many friends and so many fans in Washington. People love you in the Pacific Northwest. That's so nice. Thank you. Thank you to all you guys out there. That's so sweet. Big almost famous fans. It's actually wild how we do these shows and afterwards how many people come up and say, I listen to your podcast. I love your podcast. My mom and I listen to your podcast. We love your podcast. We listen to it together. So I just want to give you that actually. You don't get to be around it right now like I do. And I just want you to know that you have a lot of people that love you out there so here's what i think

your people that love you expect let's break down why this was so emotionally taxing on you because all season we expect i thought you were going to say on barbara i have a couple theories for barbara and so let's sit here before we bring on our guest and talk a little bit about barbara and her interaction with peter was her emotions i guess i want to say stop here actually it felt a little bit heavy for me because it felt a little bit unwise for her to be so confident in her opinion of madison without actually getting to be around her very long at all no actually what i thought was weird is that she did have more time with madison than she's had with hannah ann because she got that whole date the first date of the season with madison and

she seemed so in love with madison during that date that that's the reason that i assume this entire season that she was crying over Madison because I was like that woman has probably thought about Madison the entire season she's expected him to end up with her and that's the only reason that I couldn't imagine like such an emotional outburst is because she's been tied to this idea for so long so then to see that she was reacting to Hannah Ann being quote a perfect angel sent from heaven for Peter after an afternoon with her, I was just befumbled. You're easily swayed during this process. And I get it. My mom had a really hard time because you love your son. You want to see what's best for your son. All of a sudden, your son,

who you care for in love, shows up to a house with two women and saying, hey, mom, in a week or two days or whatever it is, I could be getting down on one knee and proposing to one of these women it's a lot to take in so before we just jump on barb's case and we're like oh and and ashley and i are not doing that what we're saying is it was odd it was hard to watch but i get it because i know how hard those moments are the issue here i think and barb i'd tell you this to your face is it felt a little manipulative and i think when peter's sitting there going mom please stop mom please stop mom please stop saying this he really just wants to like be like you wouldn't your privacy of your home and just yell and be like mom you are making a fool of yourself you're

making a fool of me i know how this is going to look this is awful you're not right but i can't yell at you because that looks terrible so i'm just going to beg you mom please stop crying please stop being so confident in your choice because you have no clue what you're doing yeah so many so many things i'm overwhelmed overwhelming is not i don't think an unpopular opinion right now speaking of overwhelming. We have two really special guys I talked about earlier. Savannah and Sydney, I'm sure they've watched the episode. And if they haven't, well, I don't know what they're doing with their lives. They're on Peter's season of The Bachelor. They were released a few weeks ago, fan favorites, and they're nice enough to come in and talk to us today.

Ashley, you're in studio with them right now. And so I'm going to let you take it away and kind to guide them through this conversation. I think we should need to talk all things Hannah and all things, Madison, all things, Barb. And then let's get a feel for how, I guess they expect Peter to handle these last couple moments. But before we do, let's take a break and talk about one of our sponsors. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit.

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Please just remind fans out there as they're listening to the podcast how they would know you. Maybe your most memorable moment during Peter's season. And then what week you were asked to go back to your family. Okay. That's a nice way of putting it. Go see your family now. So you might not remember me very much because I was. hasn't shown too, too much. I was the buttery flaky girl. On night one, I was, you know,

I had a lot of, you know, just my moments, the quirky side of me. I didn't really have too much time on the show. I left. So it was week four that I got eliminated. And then Sydney. Wow, where do I even begin? I think, what are my most memorable moments? Um, probably the moment in Costa Rica with me in Tam Tam. That was pretty memorable. That was a good one. Yeah. Um, I guess, you know, me and Peters one-on-one to me, that was my most memorable moment. I'm not sure for viewers, but yeah, I left, what, two weeks before hometowns. So, yeah. Um, can I address something like a weird rumor that has floated around about you and Peters? Yes, of course. Why are some people convinced that you guys had sex in that lake?

I think because one of the it was actually funny one of the teasers before this show even started was like kind of just like a voiceover of some of the girls being like the night I got home from my one-on-one I was in a bathing suit so of course I walk in all the girls

were just like what the hell like why are you in a bathing suit blah blah blah it was because of obviously me and Peter had like our night portion in the hot spring but anyways Victoria F and some girls were just like oh my gosh she had sex with Peter which was completely false

false but I think that they were just using that and like the scene with me and Peter was just steamy yeah it would be one of the most wild things I think any contestant would ever choose to do would be to have any type of physical intimacy during the season because the truth is there's about 25 people watching you so this just is never an intimate moment yeah I that was wild to even hear that um but no definitely that was a false well sydney and savanna i want to hear from you guys ashene and i've been chatting a bunch uh behind the scenes here you obviously have left this season uh your experience on the show is one uh that for most of the fans they will remember but now that you've been gone and you've watched it back have your emotions and your feelings towards

peter changed or towards the season what's kind of your take on this season so far um so watching it it was it's kind of hard because I felt like for me I let you know being in front of the camera just like really get the best of me like I I had a hard time with the cameras and so you know seeing his relationship with other people and feeling like you know I could have easily had that with him it was really tough to watch back just because I you know I didn't want to say I self sabotage but you know I kind of just got in my head too much but yeah I mean watching it back I still feel the same about him. I think he was incredibly kind and just a very compassionate person.

And, yeah, if anything, I just have more love and respect for him as a person watching it back. So watching it now, I think I have a lot more, I don't know, I feel for Peter a lot more than I did when I was in this show. Because, you know, I was so focused on him and just him and I. And I wasn't really thinking of all the stuff, every single thing that he had to go through. So I think looking back now, I can see, like, he's going. through so much and I have like just more compassion for him than I did when we were you know I was dating him but it has been a crazy season it's definitely been one that I don't think a lot of people expected I think they expected this season to be kind of like more relaxed and chill because

Peter is just like such a good guy but the group of girls we are very opinionated and all very different so I think it's been it's been an interesting for everyone you know to watch Um, okay. So this whole season, I felt very disconnected towards Hannah Ann. I just, I don't get her. I don't know her. I don't see there. I don't see this connection between them. I think in part it's because his connection with Maddie has been so strong that like I discredit whatever he has with other people because I know what feels the most strong. Like I know Peter in love and that is when he's with Maddie. So I, like, I discredit. I don't know Peter in love. And that is when he's with Maddie. So I, kind of just like okay everybody else is far second place so me feeling like that the entire season i wonder why barbara felt so attached to her with just such a little amount of time i want to know from you guys who spent time with hannah ann in the in the house is this something it's like is barbara the norm here or am i the norm here like how easy or hard is it to connect with hannah ann yeah um you know I never really got too close to Hannah.

I think none of us really got super, super close to her. She was always super focused. And, you know, you have so much time in the house with the girls. So, like, a lot of us got really close, you know. But Hannah-Anne never really got that close to anyone, you know, which is fine because her goal was Peter and that's fine. But, no, I totally get where you're coming from because I never, like, had any kind of connection.

Not really many of the girls did. So for Peter's mom to, like, instantly have that with her, was like I was I was also just like wait what like that was fast you know especially because she had met Madison you know on their first one-on-one they had like such a great time yeah and they were like like she was like a love like loved her so I was like oh when Madison sees them again like it's going to be like oh like great we can't wait to see you again like and I thought also the whole time Barb was talking about Maddie when she was like bring her home to us and that shook so like you being on the season being part of the season thought that Barb was referring to Maddie

thousand percent absolutely yeah yeah I thought so as well I mean with Hannah Ann you kind of have to like force that friendship almost like she's very standoffish and at the beginning you know it was maybe like a week into it I finally was like Hannah Ann like who are you as a person I need to know because you know she obviously had all that time on night one she got the first impression rose I was like you know Peter must really have an attachment to her and I want to know who she is as a person so finally I just was like hey like I want to know who you are just was like blunt and she finally started opening up to me and I got to see these sides of her where you know he kind of expressed it last night like where she's just like so innocent but has this confidence and it's just like very admirable

and yeah I just I really liked her as a person and she's just very kind-hearted so I mean I can see why Barb would be attached to her because like once you get like once she opens up even a little bit you're like wow like you're just like the sweetest person ever yeah very sweet yeah very sweet girl ben how would your mom be if um there was one girl that was just so expressive about her feelings and then another one that was showing doubt would she would that doubt in her head would that doubt that was being expressed just um just like discredit that girl well i mean actually that's a good question i think it's difficult and we all have to understand that as i said at the beginning of the podcast, it's hard for a mom to be in this situation. And I do think

you have high expectations walking in to meet these women because you know the weight of what's about to happen. So if you have one girl who isn't showing the love and the confidence in your son, and you know that they're potentially a few days away from being engaged, I think an alert goes up in your head and goes, they're not ready for this. And I think that's fair. Like, I think that's okay. If you have somebody show up to your house and be like, I'm not sold out that this is my husband. I love your son. I appreciate your son. I respect your son. But I have a lot of questions about our relationship. That's all good things. Nobody was in the wrong here. And I think as a mom, you go, wait, but yet you're here to talk me about marrying my son. I don't think that's how

this works. I don't think you walk into a marriage with the big questions that Madison has. Like, hey, I don't drink. I don't go out. I'm a virgin. And the mom's going, oh, my son goes out. He comes home from a trip and he goes out and parties, oh, he's definitely not a virgin. The brother says, Peter, I know you're super physically intimate with a lot of people. Like, there's no shame or judgment there. But it's, hey, our lives don't look anything alike. Like, no part of our lives look alike. And so as a result, we have concerns. I think a mom would freak out and go, Peter, stop. This isn't smart. This isn't wise. I think there could have been better ways to handle it. I think the crying and I think

Peter, this is what you have to do. Peter, you have to choose somebody. You have an angel. I think that's really hard language. That was not wise for Barb to use at all on a son. But I don't think her response was incredibly out there. Like, I think it was fair. And I think it was

hard. And I think my mom would have a hard time with it. And I think she did have a hard time with it because it's a lot to process all at once. It seemed to me like she didn't like um the ultimatum that madison gave like they seemed very turned off by the fact that she had that conversation with peter beforehand and she was like you told my my son what he should and should not do and mattie stood up for herself beautifully she was like no no no i told him

how i was going to feel if he did that it was about my emotions and i left the choice up to him Yeah. I think Maddie, I really commend her, I really commend Maddie for just sticking to her guns on that, especially because, you know, you want to please their mom and you want to be liked by their mom. And she just really stuck to her guns. And, you know, I think maybe that turned Barb off from her. But I think typically a conversation like that would have gone over with the mom and be like, oh my God. I love how, like, pure. you are it's so sweet i think barb's mind was made up though like when she met hannah ann it was just like and i think she was like mattie was just like when she saw her she was like ah yeah i just don't know and also like with the ultimatum happening it was just like yeah uh i think her mind was kind of made up and she was very vocal about that i definitely think that's the case we've never seen a more contentious moment between the one of the final two and the parents of the leap never this is the most contentious conversation and just even between the lead and the parents that we i think we've ever

seen this was really hard to watch because the truth is like this is a son talking to his parents and in a really emotional moment like this is this will cause like relational like maybe not damage but this will like this is a real moment for this family it's really really difficult to sit through for me because you know i've sat in that moment before and i know what it looks like to look across the table at your parents in these moments and go you just have to trust me that this is going to be all right like you have to trust me that i came into this with the good intentions and that i have a clear head and that what you're feeling and what you're thinking might not be the whole picture and the whole story and i can't tell you why because you'll just never understand

but just trust me and it hurts and it sucks and it would be so hard to see your mom crying it's not fair for peter i don't think barb thought that through but i get that it's hard for the whole entire family i found it interesting that that peter went into the meetings with the with the family being like i like them but i love them both and like i'm really torn and then by men and then when they were like oh it's hannah ann all the way then he was like no it's not it's madison oh my gosh we always talk about it was ash i want to hear from you you you have You weren't able to make it to the final two, but you have a parents that care about you a lot.

And then I met, how do you think they would have handled this moment? I don't know. We always talk about when it comes to the final two how important the family's opinion on the person matters. And usually I say it matters very much, but this episode made me feel like, no,

you go with your own heart and your family's going to have to learn to love that person. Yeah, because they don't see that side, that, you know, that relationship that he built with her they don't see any of that they only see you know what's right in front of them so yeah i feel like they should definitely trust him in that situation i just it didn't they're so close his family so it was i don't think any of us expected it to go like this you know for it to be like a kind of like a push and pull with peter versus his parents and like his

mindset on things and then them feeling a certain like a different way i feel like no we all expected the things that just like happen you know unanimously and so it's it's different it does it is kind of nuts the way that they kept and i don't know how much editing it was involved but they kept saying stuff like hannah ann is perfect yeah she literally called her an angel it's like you have been with her for a like three hours at best how are you doing that especially with mattie who like yeah they're having like a conflict in their relationship but technically Maddie's the angel you know she's the virgin like she's saving herself for marriage so like if we're in technical yes it would be Madison that would be the angel right then um you know what

I felt an interesting and I want to because religion plays such a big role in this conversation I want to kick it over to you for a second I found it interesting that his mom was like we're spiritual people and like your like strict religion might be getting in the way or like not in the way but like it may never be compatible with my son and my spiritual views right and then flash forward 10 minutes and she's like god told me this i spoke with god and he puts you on this and all of a sudden it's all about god oh man yeah it got weird fast um here's my take on that i was watching with a few buddies last night and uh all of them um are are christians as well and they love the show

and so we're watching it together in Minneapolis last night and we all looked at each other and I was like, you know what this reminds me of? It reminds me of middle school. I don't know how many of you kind of grew up in a Christian community but one of the popular things in middle school was to break up with your girlfriend and boyfriend and say, I just don't think this is what God wants

and God told me to. Which is a really terrible thing to say to a middle schooler because all of a sudden you're like, wait, God doesn't like me? He's telling you to break up with me and it's a brutal thing but it was used all the time and it's not right. it's not fair it's manipulative and it's in a sense like it causes deep damage and so when that was getting thrown around last night I was like I feel like I'm in that conversation like how confident

you have to be very confident when you start throwing God around that that is what like that that that is the truth like when you start using that on somebody when you start talking about something greater than yourself a higher a higher power somebody some a creator when you do that you need to make sure you're doing it in wisdom and you're doing it with a lot of thought and I think to think to throw it out there to say, I said a prayer last night, and this is my answer. I think, what was Peter supposed to respond with? Like, he's not, he's not able to say, mom, no, you didn't, because that makes him look like a jerk. He's not able to say, mom, are you sure? Because then she's going to get upset. He's not able to say, well, you know, you're being ridiculous because that just makes

him look insensitive. I thought that part for Barb was a part that was just not thought through. I thought it was very unfair for Peter. And I think it carried a lot more. weight than what it seemed like on TV. I know if my mom were to say those words to me, knowing what her faith is, and knowing how she just tried always to pray about my wife for her whole entire life. If she sat me down and said, God told me this, all of a sudden my attention rises and my heart starts to get more focused and I go, I need to listen to this. But I know that my mom also would walk really slowly into that conversation because she knows how much weight it would carry. I felt like God's name was thrown around last night very loosely, and I don't appreciate that.

It really is not a good positive communication tactic for anybody, and it reminded me at middle school all over again. And that was my biggest problem, because I do take those moments seriously. I think Madison was expressing what she desired and who she was and what her concerns were, and so for that to be used against her then, just felt wrong. Jack also Jack his brother said I hated this said that Maddie was raising red flags and like I was like oh okay so her wanting to stay a virgin until she's married is a red flag for you Jack really weird okay and I get it so like yeah let's not let's and and even going back to Barb like I know Peter and I know he loves his mom and I know his mom is a loves him well like I think she's a great mom. I think this was a really hard situation. Again, I go back to the difficulty of the environment and not as much the difficulty and the, just kind of the, the lack of attention that was spent communicating in this moment. I even think it happened with his brother. I think his brother there was trying to do his best to keep up with the conversation, to try to fit in where he could

and to try to fill in some gaps when it comes to how his family is feeling. And I think as a result, he was getting a very small picture of Maddie. Yeah. In the same conversation, Jack also questions Peter on you know not having sex until he's married if that's like something he'd be okay with it seems like Jack really thinks that Peter's not going to make it that far he was like until you're like really married until like you make it like he's like really married like not engagement married and then he also says that Madison is big on ministry and you know she probably goes to the church

multiple times a week and Peter likes to go line dancing into the club. It was, I mean, I think for anybody watching, this was a really difficult experience. Family matters, it really matters to Peter. We've seen it all season, and I felt like we were all very, like, we're anticipatory for this moment, and I felt like we walked into it last night, and it was just brutal to watch the whole time, and we all felt for Peter, and we all felt for his family. And I don't think anything last night, anything felt good.

Now, hey, Ashley, before we come back and talk to Sydney and Savannah, and we talk more of Peter's first part of the finale, finale, let's take a break and talk about one of our sponsors. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging. out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other,

but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them.

I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips.

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But when Madison was talking about herself, she was talking about, you know, her expectations and a relationship. So I don't think that like that was anything. I think that's something totally fine to be bringing up. But then Hannah Ann says something. like she goes it was love at first sight and and nobody and people who haven't experienced love at first sight like often thinks it's hogwash and I think between all of that that's what made the parents just swoon over Hannah yeah I think so too I think that um I don't know with Hannah

and you know it's just like she had this like very optimistic outlook on the whole thing and I think I mean, Maddie, or Maddie did as well, but I don't know. When it came to Maddie, I just felt like she, I think maybe Barbara might have thought that she was like making it about herself and not so much about like Peter because it's like, you know, her ultimatum that she's giving him. Sure. I think in this moment, they were kind of like, this is all about Peter. This whole show is about Peter and Peter finding his happy ending.

Yeah. Not two people finding their happy ending. Right. You're supposed to be going after my son. so why aren't you 100% in on my son absolutely and i think hannah ann is the type of woman and it's uh she's always been very just like willing whatever peter said she's like i'm here for you no matter what like you know every single thing that she's ever really said was just like i no matter what you do i'm here like i'm not leaving i'm not going anywhere and madison on the other end is like look like

these are my standards and if you you know hurt me in these ways i don't know how i'm going to be able to do this so you know obviously that's two huge different sides of the spectrum so if a mother a mother bear is like sitting there seeing this they're like well you know Madison's going to be there no matter what and like he's like they see i mean i'm sorry Hannah-Anne and then they see Madison like wavering with him like telling him hey like i don't live this way and like i don't see my husband being this way so i don't know like i'm not a mother but like i would imagine just like protect my son protect my son and, you know, Hannah Ann's always been there and always will be, so I don't know. I think she probably felt like she fell short as, like, protecting him, like, as far as, like,

Hanna B and, you know, how she brought that up. It just made it seem like she was afraid that Maddie was going to leave him, like Hanna B did. And so I think that's why she was more, you know, into Hannah Ann. Yes. There were comparisons drawn between Hannah B and Madison last night. Yeah, they're very strong personalities. They loved Hannah B, right? I mean, I'm sure they did, but I think that they just fear that they're, you know, they're going to leave.

You know, I think she felt like Maddie was going to leave him. And I don't know. That's just kind of what I perceived from last night's episode. Well, we do see Maddie leave him. Oh, yeah. Just after that conversation, before we get into that, you guys told me a little bit how about how Hannah Ann is in the house, how you got to know her. So tell me more about Matt. Madison and what she's like when we're not watching her on TV.

Maddie is, I feel like watching her, she kind of seemed a little cold in moments like, you know, she wasn't emotional. She's just very, I mean, she's very level-headed and rational. I kind of felt like she was that person that I would go to when, you know, this environment just kind of you get caught up and she just kind of would slow it down for me and just like really talk me through it. and she's just like very kind and compassionate in that way and um you know she's but she's also this like very strong woman and confident and so i think peter really liked that about her and um we had

a lot of moments uh we shared a closet together and so like what do you mean oh you okay i was like i know the bedrooms are small exactly but you shared a closet okay yeah like the closet you know you have like your own little like world in there i guess but like she would always like be doing Bible study and stuff, and she would just kind of keep to herself, but also was there when you needed her. So she was just a really good friend, and I really liked her. Yeah. I think, you know, Madison are both from Alabama, and just having that similarity and, like, being able to, like, once this was all over, like, see each other and just, like, connect on that level was huge. And us also understanding the community that we, you know, are from and all the expectation. And

Madison, you know, doing this being who she is, I just commend her so much. And, you know, like you said, she is very sweet, very kind, like soft woman, but also she's very headstrong. So, you know, when it came up to like this point with the fantasy suites, like you saw that in her. And I just, I don't know, I, she's, I love her. And she's such a good girl. Like, yeah, I love Maddie, for sure. Yeah, one thing, oh, sorry. One thing about Maddie that, I really appreciated it. It was, you know, I mean, we've seen it on the show, but, you know, in those private moments, like, her and I would both really, you know, just question things. We weren't just like, oh, yeah, like just along for the ride type of thing.

Like, she would be like, okay, like questioning certain aspects of it. And I don't know, I just feel like that meant like she was really taking this seriously and really considering the fact that, yeah, you are going to be engaged to this person at the end. So you have to consider everything. Did you feel the strength of their relationship? Like, we, do watching it oh it was it was undeniable i mean i'm just to be honest here like when you're in the house and you you know you you know the girl that he is like super connected i don't know if you felt the same way oh my gosh but i like the first three because i was like like when was she walks in the room and it literally is like nobody exists except for maddie no one else is in the

room no one else is in the room and i was just like okay this sucks because i am dating this I was like just don't get in your head Sydney just like stay focused don't get in your head but that I always knew like I'm just like something like hey I'm like I was hoping I could get to that level they were at but you know I didn't but just it was undeniable the moment the first week the first I mean the first one-on-one like it was just undeniable their connection undeniable yeah when she came home I was actually still awake when she came home from their one-on-one because I was getting ready for our group date and I saw that she had like a bouquet of flowers and she was just like beaming and I knew I think that that's kind of why I just like held back so like I knew that

connection was so strong right after their one-on-one and I was like how am I going to discouraged me as well I was just like hey I don't I don't pack your bags like everyone leave let's go yeah it's Maddie so then did you guys just feel both when you were eliminated you're like okay well I'm going to go home and people are going to ask me who's going to win the season and then you thought in your head mattie absolutely 100% so then what about hannah and where do you think she'd place i mean i knew she was gonna be that far second it was a leader is very like he there's you just know i mean i think all of the girls in the house would have this or have a similar you know response to this like it was just them too always and you know yeah we had connections

and things and it was you know but it was never what they had ever like it was just so much higher than all of us that we are just kind of like, well, you know, it wasn't not surprising at all. All right, all right. I mean, I kind of thought that Fuller may end up with him. Okay, but still, you guys predicted the top

three pretty well. I could have protected the top three, literally week three. Yeah. Oh, wow. Okay. That's amazing. Sydney, you were talking about how you guys had that connection about being from Alabama. Right. And it sounds as if you guys have hung out since the filming has ended.

I don't want you to tell me. what the ending is. I'm closing my eyes. Do you know the ending? Or is what Chris Harrison saying by like Peter is going to like it's really, really ending live tonight? Yes. Yes and yes. I'll say yes to both of those. Yes. What Chris Harrison is saying, I totally believe that. As well as like just things that me and Maddie have shared since, you know, filming, I yes and yes. Okay. So basically you know what the status was. throughout the quote off season and you know that like a final decision might be made tonight on the live show yeah for sure i don't think that i'm saying anything that wasn't given in that

teaser and what chris harrison said when he wrapped that episode he was like we're all going to find out what happens tomorrow night live on this so should we should we speculate right now i mean should maybe maybe sidney should stay out of it i'll say out of it okay i want to hear you has his thoughts. I mean, yeah, I haven't really asked Maddie a lot. Like, we've texted and everything, but I just, I didn't want to ask her because I don't want her to feel pressure to, like, tell me anything. Um, but, I mean, I really hope they end up together just because, like, that love is so strong clearly. And I just love Maddie as a person. So I hope they're together. So quick recap, you guys. I mean, you all saw it. But Maddie goes on her one on one with him

after the family visit. And she says, like, you know, we're just. not compatible. Like I want this to work so much. She has so many great lines. Hold on. Let me read these. She says, can love conquer all? Being a warrior in a good fighter means knowing one to surrender. And she said it's time to surrender. She goes, I still feel like love does conquer all because me leaving helps you, Peter, find what you came here for. So she says that everything changed that night. They have different faith, different marriage ideals, different lifestyle and she just started thinking ever since that one night where you know he came to her saying that he had been intimate with the other two that everything kind of changed and all this she got

all this clarity so she leaves but we see that she comes back Savannah do you think that she comes back during like the proper season so before that final rose ceremony or do you think she comes back to him after the show has wrapped. I feel like it's probably after the show is wrapped just because Maddie, I don't know. I don't see her. She seems very selfless in those moments, you know, trying to let him, you know, do what's best for him. And so hopefully it's after the season and she can really, because I know that like when you,

when everything is wrapped, you just kind of get this clarity. And maybe she got that. And I do think that Peter sees in her, you know, I think he wants to be better for her. And I think that, like, she wants somebody that will grow with her in her faith. And, you know, I think he wants to grow in his faith, too, and everything. I have a question, though. Yeah. Let's say, let's say that it is Maddie in the end.

What is going to happen when he has to, like, bring her home to Barb? Like, Maddie's seeing this now. You know what I mean? Like, how do you sit there, like, we see. this scene in the teaser where it looks like they're sitting at home or they're sitting in a suite that isn't there the suite that they were in for the past couple scenes and then they're all waiting for Peter to walk in the door with someone and then it looks like Barb has another breakdown and it freaks me out that it's because like he walks in with Maddie imagine this

conversation that's about saying I know she's gonna be pissed okay but here's the thing guys Chris Harrison has to sit down with with Peter and says you, are you going to be able to continue with this? Like, are you too hardbroken to continue? I think, like, Harrison's like, I mean, you were going to pick Maddie. So are you going to pick Hannah Ann by default now? Yeah. So now, I mean, I wrote here in my notes that, sorry, Peter, that he would be an ultimate

dumbass if he goes and proposes to Hannah Ann. This episode clearly portrays that Madison was his number one pick and that that Hannah Ann would be his second pick. and you cannot propose to a woman who's going to eventually see this. I know. I imagine like what she's feeling watching this back and seeing. Oh my gosh. The conversation that Maddie and Peter had right before they walked in to meet Peter's parents

where he was just like, let's fix this, whatever we have to do. And I'm like, wait, oh, yeah. But you're saying this and there's another whole other human on the other side of this. And then Maddie leaves and he has his date with Hannah Ann. And it's like, does he even like, are we just going to hang out? And I, you know, I don't get it. It seemed a little forced. Last ditch effort.

Yeah. You guys, do you think that he should have told Hannah Ann that Maddie had left? I think it was a great decision that he did not tell her because I think by him telling her, she'd be like, oh, okay. So now, like, I'm your only option. So am I your default girl? Like, is this confirmation that, like, I'll always ponder if I'm your fallback? It was at Hannah Ann's best entrance that he did not tell her for sure because she was already

be so emotional, so in her head in that moment at the, you know, at nighttime. So yeah, I think that would have been just a spiral if he would have done that. But also it's like, omission is lying. I consider that line. You know, I feel like if I were to watch it back and I was in Hannah Ann's shoes, I would have, and if she does end up engage with him in there together now, I would be so angry. I would be mortified. If I was like in that moment, I was like, I look so like, I just looks, you know, it looks bad like she's sitting there like pouring her heart out to him and he's literally you know Madison's gone and he's like he doesn't even she still doesn't know what to do and it's just like she's so you know here for him and it's it's it's tough she's yeah it's just the way that he was like making it

very clear that he was in love with mattie oh absolutely I wouldn't be able to if I had an engagement with him I would not be able to move forward with that if I was Hannah Ann so he does tell Hannah Ann during the nighttime portion of the date well actually she said don't do anything besides choosing me for me and who I am I feel in this moment she knows that it's not her I think this is like almost her partial goodbye she goes it's not it's not what I want to hear because he says I'm in love with I I'm very torn he says I'm very torn my heart's in two places and she goes that's not what I want to hear it seems like she's saying I'm all in but I know you're half in and I don't think that I can do this and I have a I have a theory

you guys. This one's a little bit more far-fetched. What if Madison, well, what if Hannah Ann feels like she's so second place that she just drops out of the race before it all? And then he's left with no one to get that final rose to. Yes. I hope she does that. That could happen. I literally I feel like I thought that's what happened. So because, yeah, we have to think about what Harrison comes up to him and says. Because if he's coming up to him at that podium, which I still, I can't believe that Peter would even say Hannah Ann have my final rose at this point like that's that's so wrong in general but let's just pretend that that's what he's

planning yeah then Harrison comes up and goes so we we all just found this out Hannah Ann is also gone and that would be absolutely revolutionary because I don't think that that's ever happened on this show and they keep saying the finale of this is something that's ever

happened if he ends up like flip flopping like he ends up getting back with Madison we've seen that before twice but we haven't necessarily seen it in the way that the girl comes back after the guy instead of the guy breaking up with a fiancé and then going after the girl so that would be unique so it could still be that but holy damn man if if he's left with no one at that altar how could it be anything else though like the because like it could have been if we didn't see

last night it could have been chris telling peter that mattie had left that's already happened so what could be that big it's got to be that she leaves because she felt you know the way she was expressing to him the night before like i yes and you could tell she just like felt so defeated so i i honestly do think she leaves even the way she like closes door and said goodbye she's like bye now i mean yeah like i mean we all feel for peter because like clearly he's going through a lot but like i also feel for hannah ann and i would be like everyone involved like this is just a wild situation wild i should also add that i think mattie's hair looks different in that super tease. And I think that that is a symbol that when she comes back for him, it's after

the fact. You know, she's not coming back to Australia. I think it's been a while. Because every girl comes back to the show looking a little bit different on women tell us. There. Um, any other things. Yeah. Okay. So I think we covered all my big notes. But, um, I have one thing I want to backtrack on that conversation that Maddie and Peter have before they go into her. have family time, I feel like he insinuates that he slept with the other two girls because she didn't say, I love you before fantasy sweets. And I was like, that's yucky boy. That is yucky. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. That honestly, when I was watching that moment, I got really emotional because you could feel the love between both of them. And yeah, I just. Their forehead thing,

when they put their foreheads together. He did that to me together. It's like a connect. oh he did that moment i'm not kidding but but no i they really i mean like you could just like feel how much he loved her and but i do agree that's not okay though hey you didn't tell me you loved me so i decided to go and get physical with two other women what are you talking about peter i'm like sir are you crazy literally like you risk your relationship with her like she asked you something and it would have been an equal playing field totally still fine equal playing field you could have waited to stick your dick in someone 10 days later, okay? Exactly.

If you had slept with no one. And then you basically said like, well, because like I wasn't feeling that you loved me. I just started to go be physical. Peter, you are a grown man, okay? You were like, let's not do that. Let's not say, oh, because, you know, Maddie, you're broken and you're at this level. Like, and you didn't tell me you loved me. That gives me a reason to go sleep with two other women.

Like, no, sir. That is not it. I didn't know your feelings for me. I was like just confused. Oh, you knew exactly how I felt. You know that she's traditional enough that she probably just didn't want to say, I love you until it was just the two of you. That's what she said.

She was like, you know, you can't tell me that you were not torn at this point when you're on the other side of this. He was like, no, I totally get. I totally get it. Well, Peter, like, what do you mean? I do feel like he just, I felt like he was kind of justifying it. Like he, to fully explore those relationships he had to sleep. Peter just wanted to get down.

Let's be real, Peter. Like, come on. Okay, well, do you feel like having sex with somebody before marriage is going to tell you something that you need to know before marriage? Or do you think that you can physically tell your chemistry before that? Like, you can tell your physical chemistry and how it's going to be in bed based on everything else. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I don't, you don't have to test the waters.

Like, it's not, you know what I mean? No, I don't think so at all. like I don't think that that really defines a relationship I think that you how you feel about each other is defining is defines a relationship and it just makes it so much pure when it is you know I'm not saying that you have to wait until marriage but I'm saying like it this because the fantasy sweets come does not mean that that has to happen and also like doesn't make it any more pure or not pure if you choose to do so or not you know it's just like I know yeah so he didn't need to used that week as testing the water is yeah he literally could like you end up together you get

engaged take it from there i think he's just take it from there that's just my opinion because i feel like every time somebody i think i i told said this a couple weeks ago but like nick viall was it's been very open about the fact that he only slept with Vanessa in the fantasy suite because he knew that if he slept with the other two girls that it would become a conflict outside the show with the person that he chose. And I really think that that's the way you got to do it. No, I agree. I think you should have had a little more guidance.

I think Nick should have came and talked to him at the beginning. Not even Nick, just like any of the guys. Like, you know, I mean, I'm sure he had that guidance. But, you know, we didn't see that every season. I feel like some of the old bachelors, like we'll come back and talk. And I don't know. I think that he made a mistake, obviously. I think we have to say, isn't it funny?

that Ben got so much controversy saying I love you to two girls and now here's Peter being like I love you I love you I love you and then also yeah all the things all the things all right before we go let's go down the line

and say our final predictions beforehand I said it was far-fetched for Hannah-Anne to be leaving but you know what now I'm convinced I believe that Hannah-Anne leaves before the final row ceremony that's why Chris Harrison comes up to the podium, that's why Peter seems like he's having a mental breakdown in his hotel room. And then I think Maddie comes back to Peter at some point

after he leaves the season alone. All right. That's my prediction. Go ahead, Savannah. I think the exact same thing. I think that Hannah Ann finally realizes that he's in love with Maddie and leaves and yeah I do think that Maddie I think that they're probably together I think Maddie comes back and I do think that they're probably together now it's probably going to be a rocky ride you know especially Maddie like seeing everything back and just like reliving all of it but hopefully they're together Maddie probably comes back because she knows he's not with Hannah-Anne I don't think Maddie is the kind of girl that's going to try to get in the middle of another relationship she's not going to ruin that for him especially after that whole surrender warrior i want

you to come and find what you came here to find no i agree with both of you guys i think in that moment when we see you know the peter's breakdown is when hana ann leaves and then i think that other teaser when he's having to say i'm so so sorry to someone like i'm from the bottom of my heart i'm so sorry it's him apologizing to hana ann for like not being able to like you know go through and then after Maddie finds out that they're not together. Maddie's going to get her man. Oh, Maddie. Go get him, girl.

I hope she did. That's all, yeah. All right, well, you guys, you've been in delight, and you've given us a lot of insight into Hannah Ann and Maddie. Thank you so much for being here. I love it.

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