The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Passive Aggressive Smiles and Crazy Eyes (Real Housewives of Rhode Island S1 E10)

Episode Date: June 1, 2026

Things take a turn this episode when Liz and Alicia go from arguing to Liz and Jo-Ellen almost getting physical! Ben and Lauren break down the argument from both sides' perspectives. Is Liz reall...y the Queen Bee everyone is scared of??Plus, Lauren clears up some confusion on the Audrey’s storyline and lets us know where the true source of the business stress is! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:30 And there's so much emotional introspection that I want to walk through. But before we get into it, let's talk about what happened, watch what happens live. It's such a coveted show. And like, it's so cool to see Ashley on there. Like, everyone thinks that that is cooler than just being a real housewife. What made it that cool? Is it Andy specific? or like why is it so such a big deal?
Starting point is 00:03:00 I don't know. I think like favorites go on there, I guess. And it's cool because Andy's such a cool guy. And if he likes you, then like you're kind of in. And it's just like a cool like late night place so you can like say your piece before the reunion. Like not everyone gets that opportunity. This is my first really watch what happens that I watched. Yeah, same here. It's interesting, Lord.
Starting point is 00:03:24 I've been, as we just kind of talk about Bravo in general, I have been surprised, pleasantly surprised, and intrigued with how they've built this like loyalty and excitement around it. When I grew up, Bravo was not at all what it is today. Yeah, I remember Bravo was like just queer eye, queer eye for the straight guy. Sure. And that got the ball rolling. Was that Andy?
Starting point is 00:03:55 I will give him credit for it. I don't know if he deserves it, but I'll give him credit for it. It's pretty exciting. Well, Ashley and Jared did make an appearance. Jared was mixing the cocktails and Ashley got to speak her piece. Lauren, what stood out to you? I like that Ashley has had many platforms this week to debunk all the shit that Kelsey was saying against Ashley. So she had that platform on like two different podcasts and then she had on Watch What
Starting point is 00:04:24 happens and they were like so kelsey said that you know she reaches out and you don't respond and she was like here are the texts here are the receipts and so i think that there's no rebuttal for kelsey at this point because there are the receipts um i also thought it was great when they played the like defend your friend um where they brought up everything rosy is done and actually had a fantastic response each time they uh they're like defend rosy on the fight, defend Rosie on the square footage, affair Rosie, blah, la, la, la. And she, like, had something valid every time.
Starting point is 00:05:01 Oh, in this week, I don't know if you saw that Dave Portnoy came out and said, I guess because it's a crossover between Bravo and sports. And obviously he's the sports man that Rosie was allegedly sleeping with a head coach of a basketball team, I think. And so Rosie had to be a. come out and say, not true, never, ever met him. So she went on many platforms and said she never ever met him and Ashley got to defend her on that stance too. Did the name of the coach get put out there? Yes, the name of the coach got put out there. But like genuinely, she's like, I've actually never met him.
Starting point is 00:05:41 So I don't know how I can say this over and over again. You guys believe me. Yeah, because Dave Portnoy said that it got to like so many different people that would not normally watch the show. like guys are talking about it because like oh yeah my team started losing when he started sleeping with this woman so she really had to come out and be like guys everyone over the internet none of that happened oh i know this coach wow that's okay but but rosy's saying hey never met the guy not a thing yeah uh then if this isn't real goodness gracious how how much do we feel for that coach that's gotten dragged into a mass that he wasn't he may have done it with someone else but not a housewife.
Starting point is 00:06:24 Yeah. Well, I'm sure at some point in his life he has. Yeah. You know, had that kind of interaction with another person. But I don't know if Rosie's the one. It is good for Ashley to clear the air. It's funny, I think for Ashley, it's a big deal. But really Ashley has stayed unscathed through this whole thing. Crossing our fingers.
Starting point is 00:06:49 Lauren, what's your thoughts on Jared? How's he looking at of all this? through all this. He's looking great. I don't see, I think he's a fan favorite, honestly. People love him.
Starting point is 00:06:59 People love him. He's an unproblematic, handsome king, so they all love him. I know that, like, he doesn't like to hear about the extra drama that goes on behind the scenes.
Starting point is 00:07:10 And, like, once filming's over, he's kind of like, okay, we did it. We didn't cause any drama. So let's just, like, you know, be happy about that. So he, he, like, closes his ears and go, la, la, la, la.
Starting point is 00:07:21 Every time Ashes on the film, me giving me extra juice. Is it hard for you to sit down and do what we're doing here with as much as you know and how much you've been influenced by your sister? No, I think it's more fun because like you can look at it in a different way and kind of understand things a little bit better because I can see beyond the fourth wall and kind of understand the fights a little bit better. But we'll get into that when we get to lose his fight this week.
Starting point is 00:07:49 Now, I think the question so many people have been asking us. as we've started the breakdown. You would know, and I think you can answer it. Is this show scripted? Some of this stuff, especially this episode, is so outrageous that you're like, they've had to tell these people just to have this argument and let it explode to whatever point and then we'll be friends after. Is this scripted or not?
Starting point is 00:08:10 No. It's just not scripted. I, like, have nothing else to elaborate on. Like, there's just, this is just how they feel. Very organic. They just found the right people to battle. it out, see episode after episode. Again, if you haven't watched, watch what happens live. Ashley was a part of that. Jared was there. It's fantastic. Caitlin. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:34 Caitlin was there. Yeah, because everyone is allowed to bring like a friend of and put them in the audience. I've learned that this week. So Caitlin was a great choice, obviously. Everyone's dated her. She lives in New York now. So it was great. It's true. I dated Caitlin, I guess. Yes, you did. Jared's dated Caitlin. Yeah, that's good. At the same time, actually. At the same time. See, we are more problematic than we think.
Starting point is 00:08:58 We definitely are. Okay, let's break this episode down. There's a few points that really stand out. The episode opens up where the previous one left off. The women are going to Boston to see Rosie's husband Rich perform as Frank Sinatra. A little side note here is somehow Rich got the daytime gig because it is so bright outside when the door opens up. It's not even night. I didn't even clock that.
Starting point is 00:09:24 That's awful. Yeah, he's like the daytime prank Sinatra. Is Rich a good singer? He seems like he can pull off Sinatra, but like there's not a lot of range there. I think he's an entertainer, not a singer. Okay. I was listening to the, I mean, his songs got better as the night went on. I think that probably some lubrication.
Starting point is 00:09:45 His first song when they really highlighted him, I was like, ooh, that's. Ooh, no pitchy. Yeah, a little pitchy, a little tough to hear. I wanted him to be great. And I do think he got better as the night continued. However, he wasn't to focus, Lauren, by any means. We pick up with the car ride again, as we talked about last week. Alicia Liz and Jo Ellen are in a car driving to Boston for this show.
Starting point is 00:10:11 And all hell breaks loose. They can't, like there's no conversation except for yelling and screaming. We then kind of pick it up again. while the show is going on. Lauren, this argument, I think, gets confusing to me on why it existing, which typically is how arguments happen in my life. When I'm in an argument, oftentimes I look back, I'm like, how did that actually start? There's a lot of things said.
Starting point is 00:10:39 Yeah. But what was exactly the root cause? Am I wrong in thinking the root cause was the kind of Liz checking Alicia still on, hey, you weren't actually without a home? Yeah. I think that it was Liz being like, again, just you're never homeless. And then what escalated it, which wouldn't escalate it for me, but I guess it does for Liz is Joe Allen trying to play mediator.
Starting point is 00:11:08 That really pissed Liz off. And then Liz just kept going and going and going and not helping the situation. And I think Alicia just got like emotional. Like sometimes when you start crying, you just can't stop crying. And then that made it awkward for everyone. Are you a crier? I think I've asked you this. No, I'm not a crier.
Starting point is 00:11:24 Oh, no. Well, Joellen's playing both sides. And I think to break this down properly, because there's a lot of things being said, none of it really is, I think, worth sticking on because it's just kind of the same thing over and over again. I agree. Yeah. So I think to break this down, Lauren, if you're okay with it, we need to talk about each side's perspectives. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:48 Let's start with Joellen. she's in the middle of this. I don't think it would be wrong to say Joellen definitely does like to engage in whatever thing is happening at the time. However, to her credit, and I won't give her credit through this whole thing, she was kind of stuck in this to have to get engaged.
Starting point is 00:12:13 Like she was, it's a car ride with the three of them. Like she had to say something. Yeah, she had to say something. But then if you put anyone else in that scenario, I think they would have just sat back maybe and like let them have it. But I think that Joellen saw that Alicia was super upset. And she's such like a, I wouldn't say a sensitive person,
Starting point is 00:12:32 but like a sympathetic character that you kind of want to stick up for her, especially when like scary Liz is there. So I feel like she had to defend her. But Liz is looking at this like Joellen, the night before. you were saying the same thing as me. We were at dinner with all of our husbands. And you literally said,
Starting point is 00:12:55 homeless is not the same as whatever. She's like, so why can't you just say that? Say exactly that. So that I don't look like an idiot here. But then she wasn't saying that. And she's tried to play the comm mediator. And that's what set off Liz. And then it looks like Alicia is just like demoralized.
Starting point is 00:13:16 She's like, I said this one tiny thing. that I felt really emotional about and everyone just like yelling at me for and then we go later on we see her mom say that she feels offended and disrespected by Liz just like we thought she would be because she's telling her how her life was
Starting point is 00:13:32 so it's like really messy I think that if I were in that situation I would try to be a mediator like Joe Ellen but then once I realized nothing was working like okay guys let's just be quiet like simmer down now are we getting a taste during this of the frustration with Joellen already.
Starting point is 00:13:52 I mean, I think if it was anybody else, if there was Ashley sitting in Joel in seat, and Ashley handles it the same way, I do think the voice of Ashley carries a little more weight because it feels like Liz has had it with Joellen up to this point, and this was a breaking point. This wasn't exactly, like, Liz was not upset with Joel necessarily over this incident.
Starting point is 00:14:15 it was more, hey, there's been a lot of things leading up to this. I don't think you're authentic is what Liz tells Joellen. So I throw it back to you, Lauren, as a watcher. Is Joellen authentic? Okay. That's such a loaded question. For some reason, I feel like a kindred spirit with Joe Ellen, just because, honestly, like, I'm a shh-talker.
Starting point is 00:14:38 Like, I really enjoy it. And I think, and she obviously is, too. And she wants to like kind of have her hand in everything just so she can like have something to talk about, have something that's dramatic and like talk with her friends and play both sides. I don't think she's a bad person. I think she just like takes a lot of joy in the drama. You know, I don't think she's necessarily doing anything malicious to everyone. But people don't like that she doesn't have loyalty to sides.
Starting point is 00:15:09 Lorna, I absolutely love you. I do. I think you're the best. I like that you just admit that I'm a shattaker. So as a shattaker, is there ever a point, Lauren, where it backfires on you, though? Do you ever find yourself going, oh, no, I got too deep in this one? I mean, yeah, when you get two people in the same car that you were signing, you both were signing clip. That will get you in trouble.
Starting point is 00:15:32 But then you do see, you see both sides in the situation. Like you can say this, I said this because I think this and this because of this. But you can't contradict yourself. I don't necessarily think she was contradicting yourself. But the crux of this is that Joellen, I guess she says, like, really mean things behind people's back. And Liz knows that side of Joellen. So seeing Joellen be this kind, soft mediator is like, shut up, you know, be yourself. And that's really what it is.
Starting point is 00:16:00 She's getting pissed because she's like, the Joelan I know is an asshole, but like my friend, an asshole. And she just doesn't recognize this other Joe Allen. And she's like, just be authentically yourself, which is an asshole. Okay, I think that's a great point. When it comes to scenarios like this, you have to pick your side, but there is still authenticity in the pursuit. Yes. So what Liz was saying, I guess we'll pause here and say, were you on Liz's side in this then?
Starting point is 00:16:29 No, because it went too far. I think it just went a little too far. I was kind of on Liz's side because, as I said, the previous episode, like she was just trying to, like, save Alicia from looking stupid. but then it got too far and she should have been like, you know what, like you can look stupid,
Starting point is 00:16:45 you can say that. I just, I wouldn't bring up the homeless thing again. I really wouldn't have. I just felt bad for Alicia because her tears are really sad. I feel sad for Jo Ellen
Starting point is 00:16:54 because Liz went off the rails as we see at, when they get actually inside, she literally does pull her hair and pushes her away and says some scary stuff and her passive aggressive smiles are terrifying. I have this as a note.
Starting point is 00:17:11 Like there's a look that Liz gives that makes me go like you. There's something wrong in there. Yeah. She has the crazy eyes. Yeah. Like the woman's smiling over your bed before she stabs you. Like it is a weird, weird smile that is like a very, very frustrating because like you don't have to smile if you're mad at me. And honestly, it just kind of freaks me out when you do.
Starting point is 00:17:36 It's really scary. It's very scary. Like it really throws me. off. And it also, I think it would honestly like make me upset because if I'm feeling a certain way, Sam Alicia, or even Joellen, let's give Joellen the benefit of the down say, hey, she actually really thought Liz was one of her best friends. She's realizing Liz doesn't really like her at all. It's hurting her inside. She's panicking. And then you have somebody looking across from me just giving that like smile like I really don't care. Like that hurts deeply. Yeah. It's worse.
Starting point is 00:18:11 than words. You can say a lot of things to me. It's the apathetic smile of I'm looking right through you that freaks me out because I don't see empathy in that smile. Yeah, you said it very well. I can't express how frustrated I would be internally seeing someone that I'm like, I really care about. I'm in a fight with. And they're laughing and they're smiling and it's like, it's psychotic. And I feel bad because I know Liz is very affected by this, the rest of this season because she kind of looks kind of crazy for the rest of the season. Yeah. She's not feeling great about it, but it is an odd way to fight with someone.
Starting point is 00:18:50 And I wonder how she fights with her husband. I mean, yeah, because that's actually a great point. If my wife and I were in an argument and she looks at me with that smile, I'm like, you don't care. I know. Like you could care less of what we're talking about right now. You could care less of what I'm trying to tell you, what you're trying to tell me. You just want to be right here, which is a very,
Starting point is 00:19:11 bad place to get in a relationship. But we learn through this, really, the third character is Alicia, obviously, who kind of is the one that brings us up. We see Alicia later on the episode with her family after her daughter's kind of dance recital and where she wins. What did you learn during this sit down
Starting point is 00:19:35 that brings light to the conversation with Liz and Joellen? Um, it, it seems like Liz may have gotten it wrong with the homelessness conversation. Cause she, Alicia, Alicia says, like, mom, I said that like, she's word in a different mind. She was like that we were left homeless. She said that to her mom left homeless is different than we were homeless. You know what I'm saying? Like, we were left without a home first, we were homeless. But her mom was like, I take great offense to that.
Starting point is 00:20:08 I am offended that Liz, someone who's been in our life for so long, would even put like those words out there that like we were never homeless and it wasn't a hard time for us. And then they start saying, what did she say, that Liz was abusive to Alicia? And I guess that would be a form of abuse just like telling you how like your life was and kind of manipulating your reality. I wonder if Liz, if like Alicia and her mom, maybe like an aunt, we're sitting there and they said, no, Liz, like we really were without a home. Yeah. I wonder if Liz would respond with, hey, I was wrong.
Starting point is 00:20:56 I think she would. You do. I think she would say like, look, I didn't know that. I'm sorry. I was just trying to look out for Alicia. I wasn't aware of the situation. It seems like she can be, even though she is scary and laughs and smiles and she's an argument, I do feel like she's someone who can admit when she's wrong.
Starting point is 00:21:16 But I would love to see Liz and the aunts and the mom get together because those ants are strong. Alicia seems like someone that, you know, you can kind of push over, but those ladies you cannot push over. No, 100%. I mean, I think they're like, they're the security guards that need to come in and protect Alicia. Alicia's very soft. Not in, like, I don't mean that name. She just like feels very easily hurt. And she also does not speak highly of herself.
Starting point is 00:21:47 Like they said, you have the perfect life. And she said, no. I'm not married. I'm like, doesn't matter. A lot of people aren't married and they have a great life. Also, the aunts were insinuating that Liz is off her rocker because she's like smoking the weed that she creates. And you could tell Alicia was like, I need to defend this right now because I am also scared of Liz and I need to say,
Starting point is 00:22:11 she doesn't do it. She doesn't do it. She says it's a holy something. I don't remember she says. Sacred plant so she won't do it. So that was just another demonstration of her trying not to get on Liz's bad side, even though she's pissed at Liz. Were the ladies like hammered during this argument, you think?
Starting point is 00:22:28 I think everyone's hammered during all these arguments. Yeah. Yeah, they had a couple. Yeah, some of the like facial expressions coming out, especially with Liz, it's like you're not there right now. Oh, gone, gone. And Joellen words were slurring. The cigarette break also a very drunk thing to do.
Starting point is 00:22:52 Yeah, 100%. Like I don't think, I mean, I don't know they're smoking habits, but I know my buddies, if we're out like watching a game at the bar, like it's more common for them to go on a smoke break than it would be any their day of their life. 100%. Yeah. And John's like,
Starting point is 00:23:08 oh, where's mine? And she's like, I'll just share with you. I'm like, that's the drunkest statement I've ever heard in my life. Yeah.
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Starting point is 00:26:01 I do think it is kind of bringing to a lot of the ways things that Liz has felt about Joellen. Not necessarily Alicia. I still think this got a little out of control. I do think Liz came at it initially as a form of protection for Alicia. and then it's continued on and now evolved into what we see today. But Bravo, in all their glory, does one of the flashbacks of Joellen when Liz brings up that she always is taking both sides, but she loves to kind of poke the bear, loves to make things happen and be around them. So they do this flashback.
Starting point is 00:26:43 And it did bring some things out that I wasn't piecing together. that yes, Joellen has historically, at least during this show, love to kind of poke and prod at things. Yeah. But I can't blame her for it because
Starting point is 00:26:59 we, you know, my co-host here is admitting like that, you know, there's an enjoyment in that. Yeah. You know? And I don't think Joellen's doing it to make everybody hate each other, right?
Starting point is 00:27:13 Yeah. I think it's just fun conversation topics. I think it's just being a woman. Like anyone, in any friend group around the world does the exact same thing but I don't think it ends in explosive fights like that it may end in like maybe a passive aggressive text
Starting point is 00:27:28 sure but nothing like explosive we all do the same thing I think more people like Joe Allen than they'd like to admit but it's not all caught on camera and then played back to us yeah that's a good point yeah there was one thing I oh yeah I wanted to just mention that I don't know why I haven't asked Ashley yet I meant to call her before this but they flashed the table I think right after Joelle and like leaves and Ashley's crying with Liz.
Starting point is 00:27:51 Mm. Why is she crying? We never know. We never know. Ashley's just like, let me just jump on in the crying train. I mean, this whole time, we just see Ashley's facial expressions. Yeah. Kind of her like shock and awe.
Starting point is 00:28:11 It's so awkward. We see one of my favorite lines from the show is Rosie going, hey, I'm just glad That's not me. Exactly. And I think she's right. In fact, Kelsey and Rosie come out of this episode looking very great. This is a good episode for the two of them. They really didn't see each other, which I think was helpful.
Starting point is 00:28:30 It was great. And then flash forward to Kelsey and Joelle and painting, Kelsey played it right, I guess, for someone who doesn't want to get in trouble. And she was like, I would probably like just be there and listen and not take sides. Yeah. Like, yeah. It's kind of, maybe the two of them have enough going. on that they're like, I really don't want to fight with everybody here.
Starting point is 00:28:51 Yeah. Kelsey's still owning the slam pig narrative. Mm-hmm. She has now fully adopted that. And she continues to express it, not only with, what do you call the things that go across your chest? A sash. A sash.
Starting point is 00:29:08 And also her painting. Yeah. Throughout this episode, then we do see the breakdown of this argument happening. Outside of each other, we see Liz. is with Dolores and Kelsey explaining what's happening. They're obviously just a friend group kind of chattering back and forth.
Starting point is 00:29:26 And in that moment, I think Kelsey has asked what she would do if she was in the car. And she said, I think I would probably and somewhat do what Joellen did. I would try to calm the storm. I want to know, Lauren, what do you think the driver of this car was doing?
Starting point is 00:29:47 Oh, my gosh. having a time of their life. I don't know. I would think it's fun. But I'm sure a lot of people would just be like, I cannot focus. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:29:57 But I just really think outside the car with all the other girls at the capo, I think is what it's called. It just got so crazy physical and so like I'm going to beat the shit out of you.
Starting point is 00:30:09 Like all this crazy stuff. I can't believe it escalated that that much. And that's when the mediator there was no media. the media, it was just a mediator and Liz. Like, it wasn't even about Alicia. It's, I don't know. I'm not just amazed how it went from an Alicia Liz argument to a Joellen Liz argument.
Starting point is 00:30:27 And, um, Dolores kind of was like throwing shade when they were all talking together about Joellen. I don't know. She's, she couldn't take it. She just like does, she just doesn't want Joelle to be to be fake. That's basically the crux of this all is like, she just wants her to be the bitch that she is. even if it wasn't on Liz's side, I think she'd be fine as long as she was being authentically mean.
Starting point is 00:30:52 Yeah, I think that's the word that stands out through this episode, is they're not upset with Joellen for figuring out the stuff with Rula. They're not upset with Joellen really for the things she said. They just want her to be authentic. And if she's going to be involved in these arguments and she's going to bring up these topics, they want her to kind of own it because you can't have both in this world. You can't be both a prodder and the one that says,
Starting point is 00:31:24 I'm just want to bring peace to these scenarios. Yes, Ashley said that the reason that this was such a huge blowout was because Liz has so much dirt on Joellen being such a bad person that she thought it, like she was laughing because it was. such a ridiculous thing to see someone being this understanding of both sides because she's seen the like like the darkest side of this woman. Ah, that would make sense on why you would be laughing then being like, you don't want me to go there. Like you. That's what it is. She's like laughing to keep in this like huge secret that she has. Interesting. Will that come out? Do you think in any part
Starting point is 00:32:12 of the season? I don't think in this season, maybe next season. Yeah. I mean, this seems to be a battle that that's not going to be healed. Obviously, to close this argument on this episode, we do see Liz and Joellen sit down and we see them have a conversation. I think with the pretext is this is to amends the argument or to bring clarity to the argument before. But it's quickly proven that this was not why they were sitting down. They were sitting down to still hash this thing out. And at this point, is when Joelle and I think really realizes that Liz doesn't like her. Yeah. I think that Joel is very used to getting into arguments with people and then being extremely charming and then winning them back over very quickly.
Starting point is 00:32:58 So she thought they were going to sit down, have a drink, hash it out, and then she was shocked when it didn't go her way because she was trying to make like cutesy, like comments. Like, it's cold and like my nipples are hard. And like, and then it didn't, Liz was not taking the bait. And it was like, oh,
Starting point is 00:33:15 this woman hates me. This is crazy. This doesn't usually go my way. Where does this go, Lauren? I mean, we now have two main characters in this show. And it always has felt, and I could be wrong, but it's always felt like Liz is the leader of this pack in some way or another. She's the, she might not be the character that's shown the most,
Starting point is 00:33:35 but it does feel like she is the leader of the pack. So how Liz goes, the rest go, I think she has that power over the group. Do you agree or disagree with that? I do agree. I think she's like the matriarch. She's probably like the most like successful, like most OG Rhode Island. Um, obviously speaks her mind. She doesn't really pick sides.
Starting point is 00:33:55 Um, so I think everyone wants to be liked by Liz. Ashley really wants to be liked by Liz too. Is that out of fear? Um, I think it could be fear. And also just like, again, this word is the theme of the episode is that Liz seems to be pretty authentic. So it's nice to be liked by an authentic person because you know, genuinely they like you rather than like a fake person liking you like you like you don't know that's a good
Starting point is 00:34:20 point that's maybe why like i don't love arguing i don't get in arguments very often but it also i think is why maybe in my own life people wonder like do i does he like me or not that's so valid yes it makes sense yeah because liz does have that i watch this and i said hey liz was wrong i think through all of this episode. How she handled it, how she didn't quickly resolve the conflict, how she felt like she allowed it to continue to erupt. However, talking to you has brought some background to why maybe it continued to become a big deal in her mind and why there was things left unsaid that she could have said that she didn't feel like it was
Starting point is 00:35:08 appropriate to say. Yeah, because if we go back to the meeting with Rula, where they had lunch, Liz and Rula, Rula alludes that Jo Ellen isn't loyal to her husband. And maybe that's what Liz has over her. That would be a big deal. That'd be irony in its best, right? I know, I know. I don't know if it's true or not. I really don't. It's alleged. Yeah. From Rula's mouth. We watch it on TV. So it's not us saying it's Rula saying it. Yeah. Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked, though. This whole season has felt like a big web of intermingling amongst spouses and others. The one couple that it doesn't seem to be existing with is Ashley and Jared.
Starting point is 00:35:49 And we get to see them at Audrey's for a sneak peek into the evolution of Audrey's coffee shop. There is a storyline that has floated throughout this season where Audrey's is not bringing in enough money in Ashley's mind to make it worth the pursuit of Jared. and the time that Jared spins on it. I don't know from watching these episodes if Jared would agree. I think he would love to see it become more successful and bring in more money for the family. But I don't know if he agrees that it's not worth the pursuit. However, that is the storyline that's being communicated here. Lauren, it would probably be best for you to give it clarity on what exactly is happening behind the scenes
Starting point is 00:36:31 and what exactly they're trying to do. I don't think it's necessarily like about the money. It's more about how much time it takes to run Audrey's and how much it takes away from like them being able to do anything else. But it's also like a classic tale of owning a restaurant. You need a good manager to be able to do anything on your own and have, and rely on them and have them think of their business, think of it as their own business just as much as yours. So I think if he had like better management and people he could rely on to run it,
Starting point is 00:37:07 then it would be worthwhile because it's it's a dream of Jared's. It's doing well. It's not like, you know, it's not a dumpster fire. It's fun. Everyone loves it. It's doing even better now. I think it's more about like having someone help run it, you know? Yeah, more time.
Starting point is 00:37:26 I mean, Jared grinds on this thing. And that is true. It's also part of Jared's personality. So somewhat of it is to his own making, right? He loves working with his hands and, like, running around and having his body hurt the end of the day. He thinks if your body hurts in the end of the end of day, then you did the work. Yeah, he's a good old soul. I like that.
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Starting point is 00:40:33 workout. It felt like, hey, we haven't got enough of these people during this episode. let's find a way to bring them in. Rosie and Rich's Beach Day is really only a thing because the family is asking when kids could be a part of the equation. I mean, it's not much to dissect there, really. We love you, Rosie. If you want to have kids, have kids.
Starting point is 00:40:53 I did not realize Rich was so much older, though. That's what I learned about this. 43, right? 43 and when she's 34, 35. Yeah. That doesn't feel, I mean, my wife and I are, what, seven years apart? and it doesn't feel weird. Is that weird?
Starting point is 00:41:07 I don't think it's weird. I just think like, oh, he's 43. He should probably have kids now. Yeah, that was a topic that we had. Yeah. You know, I'm 37 now. She's 30 and it was like, hey. That's a gorgeous separation of age, though, I think.
Starting point is 00:41:22 I love that. I think it's wonderful. Yeah. She's going to look good for so long. She's always going to look good. The bonestrap is incredible. She's always going to look good. Yeah, sure her skin's nice.
Starting point is 00:41:32 She smells good. Yeah, she smells good. Let's keep going. Yeah. Final thing is Kelsey and Bill. They get a workout together. We get a nice close-up of Kelsey's butt during this. And Bill's saying it looks good from behind.
Starting point is 00:41:48 Good for her. She's keeping it together. This is an interesting conversation, though. Because there's a lot of honeies, right? Was honey getting thrown around? Was that the word Bill was using? I think so. Yeah, lots of sweet nothings, except for when he was like,
Starting point is 00:42:04 he had put his foot down with uh get rid of your freaking car i'm not dealing with this anymore and i was watching with hunter and he was like you tell him yeah like he loves when a man like sticks up for himself well do you think she's going to go through with it yeah she'll lose bill i think if she doesn't i think bill is locked in yeah because he didn't have sex for a year yeah he still waited yeah And Bill was around still, it seems like, when she was living with another dude and would just, like, show up on call when she asked. Oh, poor Bill. Yeah, maybe. I mean, she's going to get rid of the car.
Starting point is 00:42:46 Yeah, I guess so. I guess so. But they weren't having sex. No. He just loves her so much. He just loves her so much. It was, she's fun to look at. So fun to look at.
Starting point is 00:42:57 We'll give her that. Kelsey says that she had a brain tumor. What do you think about that? I'm surprised we didn't lead with this. Yes. I knew about it before, but then I forgot about it. And then I remembered after this, and I was like, this is crazy. At the round table with the masks at dinner, and they're all talking about their trauma,
Starting point is 00:43:18 I would think that you got in a car accident and found out you had a brain tumor would be number one, not that you had an older man paying for your things for 10 years, right? 100%. You would think. Yeah, it gets a big deal. Yeah. It's a huge deal. But the good side of this is she increased her health insurance, it seems like.
Starting point is 00:43:36 It's all making more sense. We need really good health insurance. Well, you need more health insurance and you need somebody helping pay for that because it's not inexpensive. Like, you have to have a job. Yeah, or you pay like literally $1,000 a month at least if you have this tumor situation. Yeah. I think we get rid of the car and then we just keep the health insurance from Sugar Daddy. that seems like a fair trade
Starting point is 00:44:03 it does to me I think you're logically thinking through this is hey Bill let's keep let's you know sell the car but let's not pay for the health insurance let's keep that going that's one more less bill
Starting point is 00:44:15 that we have to consider and pay for you know to Bill's credit I definitely think he's batting above his average here with Kelsey yeah great physique great he's a strong man. He obviously works out. I can see where he got wrapped into this. The question now is, is this a good
Starting point is 00:44:38 relationship for Bill? She was testing to see if he was loyal. I would be interested for Bill to test if Kelsey is loyal. I am so interested to see next season. I am going to feel bad for Bill if it doesn't work out because I'm sure she has some crazy guys in her DMs right now. Yeah. It's not like she's not going to be a popular person for others to pursue. Actually, that's a great storyline to follow. We have a lot of good storyline to follow. I'm sure it's going to be interesting. I don't know anything right now,
Starting point is 00:45:12 but I couldn't imagine this type of girl getting a DM from like Tom Brady and saying, no, thank you, Tom Brady. I have Bill. Yeah. Yeah. I like strong Bill. He's a nice guy.
Starting point is 00:45:26 Yeah. All right. So we get the preview for the rest of the season. Has Ashley always, I mean, I feel like she always narrates that coming up on. Coming up. I know. I think she's just really good at it. And she's like more seasoned than the others.
Starting point is 00:45:40 So they're like, let's just have her do it. She does talk on the almost famous podcast for a living rate and review wherever you listen to the podcast. Joellen feels like she is owed an apology. Don't think she's going to get it. Kelsey asks Liz if Liz feels like she's ever been wrong on something. and Liz says no. Never mind. And then there's an Arabian night party
Starting point is 00:46:04 that Ashley decides to wear a leather jacket to and Rosie asked Rula if she knows about the video and if she wants to know what's in the video. Rosie. What are you doing? Why are you stepping in on this? Rosie has got to have that liquid courage going on. Yeah, I mean there's just,
Starting point is 00:46:25 Rosie has skayed through it look like this, episode without controversy. I don't know if she would be the one I would choose or if I was Rosie, if I would say yes to being the one to bring it up to Rula. Well, again, I think Rula and Rosie, I think have gotten much closer over the season. So maybe now she feels like it's okay to bring up to her as a good friend. Okay. That makes sense.
Starting point is 00:46:49 Well, I did get a chuckle as this conversation's happening. They do do a little blip of Brian dancing with the. the dancer. It was perfect timing. It was so good. It was well done. I got a good laugh out of that. It's like, oh, he found the woman just wearing a broad belly dancing with like fire
Starting point is 00:47:10 around her neck. Yeah, of course. That's where he's at. Yeah. Yeah, he's into it. Hey, this is another crazy episode of the Real Housewives of Rhode Island. The success that continues to be a success for all that watch. Everything and everybody I talk to that listens to the almost famous podcast.
Starting point is 00:47:27 and knows that Ashley is a part of it, continues to come up to me and say, hey, they've watched season after season after season, and Rhode Island is the best one they've ever seen. I'm obsessed with that. I'm so glad. Yeah, it's good. I'm glad this is the one that we entered into, Lauren.
Starting point is 00:47:45 If not, have been really awkward to just stay here and talk about how boring the episodes are. But there's been nothing boring yet, and there'll be nothing boring to come. We'll be back next week. breaking down another episode of the real housewives of Rhode Island, Lauren, anything we didn't cover that you think we should have? I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:48:06 I think I'm just still shocked by like the physical fight that Liz and Joellen got in. I know it wasn't that physical, but it was kind of weird for two-grown women. And that's all I have to say. Have you ever been in a fight? Once. A girl punched me, but I deserved it. Oh, it's so good. Hey, we'll be back next week.
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