The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Question Everything When Finding Love

Episode Date: September 7, 2025

Before Ben can play matchmaker, he has to get to know our Famously Available women inside and out!Through an extensive series of questions, we're getting all the need-to-know answers! Would DeAnn...a be the breadwinner in a relationship? Does she want to get married again? ...What shoe size is she?Post-divorce, DeAnna has grown and is ready to share her experience finding love again. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an I-Heart podcast. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? Answer, a new podcast called Wisecrack, where a comedian finds himself at the center of a chilling true crime story. Does anyone know what show they've come to see? It's a story. It's about the scariest night of my life. This is Wisecrack, available now.
Starting point is 00:00:27 Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. December 29th, 1975, LaGuardia Airport. The holiday rush, parents hauling luggage, kids gripping their new Christmas toys. Then everything changed. There's been a bombing at the TWA terminal, just a chaotic, chaotic scene. In its wake, a new kind of enemy emerged. terrorism. Listen to the new season of Law and Order Criminal Justice System on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:01:10 My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:01:43 It's important that we just reassure people that they're not alone and there is help out there. The Good Stuff Podcast Season 2 takes a deep look into One Tribe Foundation, a nonprofit fighting suicide in the veteran community. September is National Suicide Prevention Month, so join host Jacob and Ashley Schick as they bring you to the front lines of One Tribe's mission. One Tribe, save my life twice. Welcome to Season 2 of the Good Stuff. Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. IHeart Podcasts bring you the ultimate Summer of Love Tree. This is famously available.
Starting point is 00:02:20 It's been here with an episode of our new favorite show, and it is absolutely encouraging. incredible famously available the best job in the world is the job i have right now where i get to chat with incredible single women uh today we have one of my favorites former bachelorette diana stagliano favorites am i living up to that ben oh every time yeah this has been like a blast i'm really glad you got a full dose of me over the last 48 hours oh it's it'll be changed forever i will never be same no um it's going to be a better version of myself it as soon as i walked into the verbo summer lake house and lake tahoe and i saw you there you have like this ability to gather a group and entertain like you like people kind of gravitate to be around you i don't know if
Starting point is 00:03:17 you ever notice that in your life but like you you bring a crowd and it's pretty incredible to witness It's really kind. Thank you. I don't notice that about myself. I don't. Start watching. You're very, very rarely alone in social gatherings because I think people just like to be around you. I think I'm an extrovert at heart. Like I like through and through. I'm an extrovert. I also just thank you for saying that. I'm very flattered. I don't know how much they're paying you for this, Ben. I don't know. I actually don't know either at this point. So yeah. Well, I don't know. thank you for saying that i think i just try to lead with like just being true to myself you know what i mean i i tend to think i'm pretty genuine and i don't want anyone to read between the lines i like to be myself but also be the good version of myself every day i'm waking up like like i want to be a better person i want to be a better mother i want to be a better woman i'd like to be a better partner someday to someone but i just want to be good like that's it. At the end of the day, I just want to be a good person. And I cherish genuine friendships
Starting point is 00:04:28 and relationships. I really value that. I don't do surface level well. So the people that I do spend my time with, I don't know. Like, I genuinely want to get to know you. I want to get to know that wall. I can sit here for the next hour and genuinely know that window behind you. Like, I just don't do surface level very well. I cherish that. I, you know what? And I see that. A prayer of my heart this year to my wife was I told her personally, I'm 36 years old. In the last 10 years of my life, I've had very few people ask me questions to actually get to know me. And my wife sees it. She's like, I get that. I've seen you around social gatherings. I've seen you around friends. Like nobody really like spends time to try to understand like what makes Ben tick. And I said
Starting point is 00:05:21 it's a prayer of my heart to get that this year. You do a great job at it, which I think is one of the many reasons why this is going to be a lot of fun for me to sit in a seat of being able to walk alongside of you, but also just witness, like, you putting yourself out there to the world, having hilarious stories from dates, having really great stories from dates, and men getting to sit with you and for you, no matter what, take the time to get to know them, I think it's going to do great things for them and for you. you and for me, and it's a journey that I can't wait for the listener to follow on. I did mention we're at the Verbo summer house in Lake Tahoe right now.
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Starting point is 00:06:41 And as I said, we're here at the Verbo summer house in Lake Tahoe right now. It is beautiful. It is incredible. And going back to what we were just talking about, we are surrounded by some really, special people. It's one of my favorite parts about getting together in a group setting with people that I don't know personally, usually coming into them. And just getting to know people better. It's been funny over the years of doing things like this. I don't always like see eye to eye with everybody, but seeing everybody's different personalities and
Starting point is 00:07:15 kind of understanding how they tick has been just like fascinating and fun and allowed me to feel still so connected to the people of the past and then the people that have just, you know, walked off the show recently. I was saying this to a friend of mine this morning is like, you can see where some of the people coming in, the lights are still on. You know what I mean? And there must be, I can't imagine anything more fun than putting a bunch of washed up reality stars in one house and who gets more attention. My, my story is more important. I'm more famous. I make more money. My story is way more cool. I think it is also really incredible to see it when you walk into a room, right?
Starting point is 00:07:57 This is a very fun situation, all of us here, and here everybody share their stories, their experience. And it is different, but also the same on so many levels. But what I appreciate about you, and I think that I am the same, is I didn't have this expectation when I came off the show that I was going to be this big star. You know what I mean? I, and I shared with you last night. how much money I actually made.
Starting point is 00:08:23 Like, I genuinely went on the show for the right reasons. I'm also a little stupid, but... I fall in that same category of not a lot of money and right reasons and very stupid and saying yes to something that was making $250 million. But think about it. There are a few things in my life that have changed the trajectory of my life. And I have a long story of resilience. I just do.
Starting point is 00:08:50 I just have to overcome some relationships. hard things in my life. But going on the bachelor and then becoming the bachelorette changed the trajectory of my life. That was one of the first. The second was getting married and then divorced. It's not how you see your life. But I think that when you look back on those moments, there are places where I personally, and I want to surround myself with people of the same, there is growth to be to be found to be had in those moments. Right? And you were saying the conversation thing. you can't teach that to people. What your wife told you,
Starting point is 00:09:24 I think that many times when I walk away, I think I just had dinner with someone and they never asked me one question about myself. They didn't, and I don't know if people just don't learn that or if it's us as humans, we have this egotistical piece in us that we just can't help. You just can't help it, right?
Starting point is 00:09:41 It's human nature. But that they just can't see past themselves. Do you understand what I'm saying? 100%. I 100% see that. And that's why, I mean, I said, I think when it comes to this experience, you are, I don't know if you see yourself in this. I see you right now as a great dater, meaning you're going to go on some fantastic dates because you are going to invest into the other side. And I hope that
Starting point is 00:10:07 they reciprocate and invest into you. But that'll be a hard pass for me. Say we go on this really great date. Not that I haven't been on really great dates before in my entire life. But I have a hard time walking away and thinking, oh, that person didn't choose to get to know me at all. Yeah. And again, I can talk to a wall. I have no problem with that. I can sit through a two hour long date and no, I'm not going to have a second date, but still genuinely get to know someone and hear about their life or their experience. I can absolutely do that. I can find appreciation in that. But I will not choose to invest in someone or go on a second date for when it's not reciprocated. Like, reciprocation is so important to me. Yeah. And, and,
Starting point is 00:10:48 And a few years in the marriage now, one of the most incredible pieces of being married is the fact that I have somebody in my life who wants to get to know me. Like her cry of her heart is to get to know me. And I don't always allow it because I'm not used to it. I spent an hour and a half with producer Easton last night and he asked me questions about myself
Starting point is 00:11:07 that nobody's ever asked me. It was amazing. It's therapeutic. I loved it. I went to bed and slay my head against a pillow. I was like, goodness, you talked about yourself a lot last night. But it's just because I'm uncomfortable with it.
Starting point is 00:11:17 And it's the same thing happens with my wife. It's one of the coolest parts about marriage is you have a teammate that says, I want to know you inside and out, your fears, your insecurities, your joys, your successes. And I want to do that for the rest of my life because those are going to change.
Starting point is 00:11:36 I'm going to tell you at the end of the night, I don't know if you do a gratitude list or not, but I don't always write it down, but I have some things that I just run through my head. You know what I mean? Quickly as I'm laying my head down on the pillow. And that's something to be really grateful for because I believe that relationships, I don't care if you get married or two men, two women, a man and wife. I don't, you know, partnership.
Starting point is 00:11:58 That's how it should be. That's really beautiful to have a partner, a spouse, someone who genuinely wants to know you and love you and support you. Like that's really beautiful. And imagine how many people don't have that. Like at the end of the day, Ben, I would be laying my sweet little head down and going, thank you, God. Thank you. That she wants to deeply know me. yeah it's uh thank you god that easton wants to deeply know you i know there's some there's some like some really special moments and it's it's been incredible but it's also been the prayer of the year for me as somebody would ask me a question about myself which gets me into asking you a bunch of questions about yourself i'm so good at this yeah super shy these are some
Starting point is 00:12:36 wild questions um let's start all right your age i am 43 43 years old describe your physical If somebody's listening and they're like, I don't really know what Deanna looks like. How would you describe yourself? I'm five foot four, which is average. Is it? It is. I think it is.
Starting point is 00:12:57 I think for a woman, five foot four is average. Now, listen, I'm not always right. A lot of times I am, Ben, but. I might question the five foot four thing. We need to get a measurement out here.
Starting point is 00:13:09 Did you see me against all the women in pickleball? I was the tallest of the group and I'm never the tallest of the group. Yeah. But it's good because I like to be sure. shorter. I'm like a really tall man. You're a great partner. Fierce. I'm an excellent pickleball player. I think you're an athlete. That's one way I'd describe yourself, athlete. True. Yeah. True. I will not argue with you. Amazing grunt. You can really. She does have a potty mouth as well. Yeah. Yeah. You can get into it. Can you, as you describe your physical appearance, can you just,
Starting point is 00:13:40 if you're hitting a pickleball, we played in a pickleball tournament out here in Lake Tahoe. If you're hitting a ball. Can you just give us an example of what your grunt sounds like. I won't do it in here. This is embarrassing. Something like, uh, and I'm so thankful as the day went on yesterday. I did have this mental moment where I was like, oh, thank God, no one is filming this. Like, thank you, Lord for allowing me to be my free, my free self right now. And poor Ben, right? We have had a luxury of like knowing of each other over the years, but this is the most time we've actually spent together. Yeah. How great am I? You're amazing. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Brown eyes. brown eyes. I have nice big eyes.
Starting point is 00:14:18 Yeah. Shoes eyes. When I was little, I was a baby. If you start talking about my toes, I'm getting up and walking out. My dad called me E.T. I was born in 81, which is the year E.T. came out. But I was this little tiny baby and you have a baby and you know how tiny they are. But I had these really big eyes, like really, really big eyes. Yeah. I have an excellent smile.
Starting point is 00:14:41 Yeah. In high school, I was voted best smile. I see it. And you let that. Smile, shame, bright. If I'm not smiling, something is wrong and you should ask me. Okay. I am genuinely a happy human being. My name is Ed.
Starting point is 00:14:59 Everyone say hello, Ed. From a very rural background myself, my dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin, so like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. Well, 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family.
Starting point is 00:15:34 And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. December 29th, 1975, LaGuardia Airport.
Starting point is 00:16:06 The holiday rush. Parents hauling luggage, kids gripping their new Christmas toys. Then, at 6.33 p.m. Everything changed. There's been a bombing at the TWA terminal. Apparently, the explosion actually impelled metal, glass. The injured were being loaded into ambulances. Just a chaotic, chaotic scene.
Starting point is 00:16:31 In its wake, a new kind of enemy emerged, and it was here to stay. Terrorism. Law and order, criminal justice system is back. In season two, we're turning our focus to us. a threat that hides in plain sight. That's harder to predict and even harder to stop. Listen to the new season of Law and Order Criminal Justice System on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:17:03 My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up.
Starting point is 00:17:25 Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend,
Starting point is 00:17:44 really cheated with his professor or not. To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I had this, like, overwhelming sensation that I had to call her right then. And I just hit call. I said, you know, hey, I'm Jacob Schick. I'm the CEO of One Tribe Foundation, and I just wanted to call on and let her know there's a lot of people battling some of the very same things you're battling.
Starting point is 00:18:08 And there is help out there. The Good Stuff Podcast Season 2 takes a deep look into One Tribe Foundation, a non-profit fighting suicide in the veteran community. September is National Suicide Prevention Month, so join host Jacob and Ashley Schick as they bring you to the front lines of One Tribe's mission. I was married to a combat army veteran, and he actually took his own life to suicide.
Starting point is 00:18:29 One Tribe saved my life twice. There's a lot of love that flows through this place, and it's sincere. Now it's a personal mission. I don't have to go to any more funerals, you know. I got blown up on a React mission. I ended up having amputation below the knee of my right leg and a traumatic brain injury. because I landed on my head.
Starting point is 00:18:45 Welcome to Season 2 of the Good Stuff. Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You talked about your time on the show and the good things that came from it. We talked about how pivotal it was in our growth as humans. But outside of those friendships, tell us about the relationships that came from the show.
Starting point is 00:19:13 Like, what are some of the things? stand out things that have happened to you personally from this experience on the Bachelor and Bachelorette that have like made you the person you are today. I don't think you could put a weight on that. You know what I mean? I cherish the women from the show. I really do. I, I tend to think that I'm everyone's biggest cheerleader. All the Bachelorettes. We have like one group text and I'm the first person. If they're like, hey, I've got a book where you promote it? Absolutely. Let me, let me cheer you on. You. have something, you have a song, you have a podcast, you need a guest. Let me. Let me do that for you.
Starting point is 00:19:49 It just sounds like you're talking about Caitlin Bristow. I love Caitlin Bristow. I know all of the women, all of the women, Andy, Desiree, Trista. Yeah. Please, I'm your biggest cheerleader. I would love to do anything to support, to support these women. I love them. Um, I think you just naturally gravitate to certain people over others. Like, that's just who I am. But I love every one of them. And, you know, the last few years have not just been difficult for me. Several women have gone through breakups and divorce. And I made a point to reach out to those women because I know how isolating it felt for me in that time. And I just thought, if it's just a, hey, I'm thinking about you, you are loved.
Starting point is 00:20:31 You are more. If there's anything I can do, let me know. I just want to genuinely lift people up. and I just feel like that's a good place to be in life. Trista, I adore from the second I was on the show until now. Like, she's just great. She's intentional. And I love that when it comes to friendships, relationships, whatever you want to call them.
Starting point is 00:20:58 Intentionality is important to me. And there have been many times over the last few months that Trista has either called me or texted me just to check on me. And I needed that. I needed that in a time of my life where I have. I felt so isolated and I felt so very alone. And then I've had the pleasure of doing some really awesome things since the show. I don't know if you know this, but I've been to Iraq twice and Afghanistan twice.
Starting point is 00:21:20 No. Yeah, I did. With the show? No. So after I was The Bachelorette and after I broke up with the guy that I chose, which says, we'll put that one to bed. What was his name? I don't, can't say it out loud. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:21:37 I can't. Voldemore. Voldemore. Yeah. I got to do four goodwill tours to visit the troops when the Iraqi war was going on. And like I come from a family of military people. Like my dad was in the Navy. Both of my grandfathers were in World War II.
Starting point is 00:21:55 Like I just have like a serious respect for anyone who supports our country in that way. Like I literally walk free because there are people who are willing to sacrifice for this, right? I went to Iraq twice and to Afghanistan twice as a goodwill tour to visit the troops during the war. And it was hands down the coolest things I've ever done in my life. Coolest thing I've shot a 50 cow. I'm like really cool. That's sweet. I'm like really cool. Yeah, you're cool. I mean, any guy listening right now is going, all right, I can see myself with this. Outside of the marriage, what's the most serious relationship that you've had? I actually dated a guy. all throughout high school
Starting point is 00:22:37 into my 20s for five years before I ever went on The Bachelor or The Bachelorette. I was in a five-year relationship and he was like my first love. Yeah. He was my first love.
Starting point is 00:22:47 And I thought I was going to marry this guy. I thought we were going to be high school sweethearts and live happily ever after. And it was that that was that like young love that you get the butterflies. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:23:01 Like that almost like sick love to where it's almost like an obsession, you know? Yeah. His family was really good to me in a time when I needed it. My mom died when I was 12, and I moved to Georgia and didn't know anyone. And I had a really terrible stepmother. And my just at home life was really awful. And he and his family were wonderful to me in a time when I really needed it.
Starting point is 00:23:20 And I spent five wonderful years with him, you know, the cheating aside and some of the other stuff. But it was really great. It was young love. It was really great. But that would be, yeah, outside of my ex-husband, that would be my longest relationship. And maybe the most influential. I would say that one was for sure. He was the first guy,
Starting point is 00:23:40 and because I was still dealing with grief and loss from my mother, like, that's a great loss to lose a mother. You have a daughter. You have a daughter. That is one of the most important relationships that a child can have as a mother. And I am grateful for 12 years. I had a really incredible mother.
Starting point is 00:23:59 And not that I dated a lot when I was younger, it was never very important to me, but he was one of the very few people in my life, and we've all know I've dated a lot. I did it on television, so he genuinely wanted to know me and he genuinely wanted to know my family, my mother. He wasn't scared to ask about her. And I think there's something with like death and divorce. That's a form of death to me where people are scared to ask, right? They don't want to make you sad. They don't want you to have to talk about really difficult things, breakups. They don't want you to have to talk about those things.
Starting point is 00:24:33 For me, it was like, don't you care. enough to ask. This woman made me who I am. This woman made me feel I was a chubby child. I really liked McDonald's. Really? My mother made me feel beautiful. I'm really grateful I never grew up with like body image issues. Yeah. Because my mother made me feel beautiful. She never made me look around a room and see that there were different sizes or different colors or different shapes. We were taught to love. Like that's how it was. And so for me, I was so proud and so happy to discuss this woman who made me who I am. I am strong because of her. I am resilient because of her.
Starting point is 00:25:12 I know my worth because of her. And so for me, I love talking about her. And he was one of the very few people in my life in like partnership-wise that was ever brave enough to talk about her, to ask about her, to ask about my mother who she was, who she is, how she impacted me in my life. You know, because people are scared. They don't want you to be sad. They don't want you to have to grieve. Yeah. I mean, I think, I mean, I also think there's like some investment that goes into dating
Starting point is 00:25:42 before you feel comfortable asking those questions. But you do have a great story to tell and a crazy story to tell and one that has a lot of twists and turns. And a lot of it in the last few years has become very public. And I'm sure you've learned a lot about what now, as you sit here, what a partner could look like for you. And so if, if you were to kind of describe some like three significant characteristics of now what you're looking for in a partner, a companion, a dating, you know, a date even, what would those be? I actually have a really hard time with this question. I don't know
Starting point is 00:26:22 that I, I know exactly what I'm looking for and what would stand out, but I just in my heart feel at peace that like something great is coming for me and I feel really secure about that and I feel really okay with just like sitting in a place and waiting for it. Is there an excitement?
Starting point is 00:26:44 Yeah, I'm so excited. I am. I am in a very transformational place in my life and you're right. It has been a really difficult time in my life. I have experienced things in the last few months that I don't ever want to go through ever again that like if that's like the low point of my life and that's where I had to go to go up then let that be that. I don't ever want to do that again. It's just not a good look, Ben. But I do just feel
Starting point is 00:27:12 like there is something great and I don't know what it is. There is a great job out there for me. There's a great man and I don't know that I can tell you what that looks like. I'm hoping that when it happens I'm like blown away by it. I'm like, oh yeah, this is it. This is it. This is for me. I do feel like in my gut and in my heart of hearts that like there's something there's something great coming for me and I think it's coming soon and I just feel really excited about that. I know emotionally how I want to feel in my next relationship and my next partnership and I like really, really want to feel very safe in a relationship. And I say that for me in a partnership with a man, but I think that's really important in all aspects of a relationship.
Starting point is 00:27:58 in your life. I think it's really important in friendship. I think it's very important in family. I think it's very important between a mother and their children, right? I have two children. I want them to feel safe coming to me. That is like top on my list is I want to feel safe because I think if I'm looking back at times in my life, I don't have a lot of moments been where I felt really safe in relationships. I have a deep, deep fear of abandonment. How are you like handling that? You, you can speak. I pay thousands of dollars. for therapy. That was going to ask.
Starting point is 00:28:30 It's funny, but it's not funny. Been there done that. Yeah, I mean, because you can communicate it and you can say it, which is obviously a big step. But those things kind of hanging over you, I mean, it sounds like to me right now and getting to talk to you a few times here, in a lot of aspects of your life,
Starting point is 00:28:50 it's kind of a reset and a blank slate. Like, and I think that's actually, like, for me, listening to you, I get excited about that because a lot of times in life, as we get older and the more things get built up, it's hard to reset. It takes a lot of things either being forced to reset or some really hard intentional choices to reset. You, I think, if it's fair, you kind of were forced into a reset in a lot of ways. It's a cleansing. It's a cleansing. It's a cleansing. It's a cleansing. I don't, when relationships come to an end, I am not a person who goes back. I am not one of those women that gives someone 10 chances to come back.
Starting point is 00:29:29 Now, I will tell you that I clung desperately to my marriage, but that was different. I really valued my marriage. I valued my vows that I took. I am a Christian, like to me that was super important. I clung to my marriage. On hands and knees, sometimes I begged, please don't do this. Please don't leave me. I'll never do it again.
Starting point is 00:29:48 I will never do it again. Why not? Because I shouldn't have to. I shouldn't have to beg someone to love me, choose me. I shouldn't have to. That's not real love. I think I clung to a person and to a marriage that was never really mine. I was never going to be number one.
Starting point is 00:30:09 And frankly, I would like to be. That's our third characteristic of what you're looking for in a significant other. Yeah, you want to be number one. I mean, I think it's, that's not a crazy ask. that is a, it is a commitment my wife and I made to each other. As many kids as we have, we will always be each other's number one. Don't confuse that. I'm not looking for a pedestal.
Starting point is 00:30:28 No. I'm not a princess. I don't need to be treated like a queen. I just want to be chosen. You just want to be chosen. I just want to be chosen. I think it's very fair. You know, this is your scenario is when I do.
Starting point is 00:30:40 And when I say this, it is exciting for me because of this kind of like blank slate. Because of your excitement towards whatever is happening in your fear. future. Because you look at your future and there's a smile on your face about it, like something good is coming and you feel it and you know it and you believe it. That's exciting for me just to even be able to witness it. But you have to send me on a date first, Ben. Yeah, we're going to get there. I have some rapid fire questions about dating for you. and I'm going to choose with you to ask even the most intimate ones. You have all abilities to say, I'm not answering that.
Starting point is 00:31:29 But I'd love for you to try. Are you willing to be the primary breadwinner? No. Do you, if you could look at your life, you have a partner in it, you're not the primary breadwinner, what does your days look like? Ah, it's such a loaded question. Oh, that's a good question. I think it was a fantastic question.
Starting point is 00:31:53 It's a great question, but it's loaded. Yeah. Oh, goodness. I see, I don't see like a day to day in great detail what I want to share with you, but I see like equal. I see joy. I see peace. I see fulfillment.
Starting point is 00:32:11 I see a place where I belong and where I want to belong. And yeah, I see safety. Like I see, I see that. I see that in myself and in my future partnership. I do. Such a big word for you. You've used it a few times. Safety.
Starting point is 00:32:26 Can you elaborate on what that actually means? I want to be safe to be truly who I am. I'm not dismissing the fact of like you spend time. You are married. You know this. I was married for a very long time. You can't help it. We're all human.
Starting point is 00:32:41 Certain things start to get on your nerves. It just happens. But in a place, to be safely yourself, good and bad. Right? We all have good days. We all have bad days. Ben, I love myself, but I'm not telling you I'm easy. I know that is not the case. I need someone who can take me and hold me. Do you know what I mean? Almost like a baby. Like when I'm talking about this cleansing, I have just put a 15 year relationship to bed. I have grieved that every wave of that. I've grieved that. I've been angry. I've been sad. I've been happy. I've been
Starting point is 00:33:15 excited. I've been sorely depressed about it. I've grieved every wave of that. I just think that there is room for like when you do that, when there is this cleansing, you become new. Right. And right now, I need to be held. I need to be coddled. And in order to feel safe, you need someone who is willing to put in the time and effort because I can be reactive. And I'm trying to learn how not to be that. And I think in some of your deepest, safest relationships, you can be your worst self. you should be safe to be able to do so, but also accepted in those moments. I hear that. I understand that. My name is Ed. Everyone say, hello, Ed.
Starting point is 00:34:00 From a very rural background myself, my dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality. nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian
Starting point is 00:34:22 with a story that no one expected to hear. On 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecraft.
Starting point is 00:34:45 where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. December 29th, 1975, LaGuardia Airport. The holiday rush. Parents hauling luggage, kids gripping their new Christmas toys. Then, at 6.33 p.m.
Starting point is 00:35:15 Everything changed. There's been a bombing at the TWA terminal. Apparently, the explosion actually impelled metal glass. The injured were being loaded into ambulances. Just a chaotic, chaotic scene. In its wake, a new kind of enemy emerged, and it was here to stay. Terrorism. Law and order, criminal justice system is back.
Starting point is 00:35:42 In season two, we're turning our focus. to a threat that hides in plain sight. That's harder to predict and even harder to stop. Listen to the new season of Law and Order Criminal Justice System on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.
Starting point is 00:36:14 This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating.
Starting point is 00:36:35 He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend, really cheated with his professor or not. To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I had this overwhelming sensation that I had to call it right then.
Starting point is 00:36:57 And I just hit call. I said, you know, hey, I'm Jacob Schick. I'm the CEO of One Tribe Foundation. And I just wanted to call on and let her know there's a lot of people battling some of the very same things you're battling. And there is help out there. The Good Stuff Podcast Season 2 takes a deep look into One Tribe Foundation, a non-tribe Foundation, a non-profit fighting suicide in the veteran community.
Starting point is 00:37:17 September is National Suicide Prevention Month, so join host Jacob and Ashley Schick as they bring you to the front lines of One Tribe's mission. I was married to a combat army veteran, and he actually took his own mark to suicide. One Tribe saved my life twice. There's a lot of love that flows through this place, and it's sincere. Now it's a personal mission.
Starting point is 00:37:36 Don't have to go to any more funerals, you know. I got blown up on a React mission. I ended up having amputation below the knee of my right leg and the traumatic brain injury because I landed on my head. Welcome to Season 2 of the Good Stuff. Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. You need like a big hug. I'm a good huger too.
Starting point is 00:38:02 Yeah. You need a big hug because I think you're great. Thank you. But I hear what you're saying. And it's just like at my worst and my stomach. am I still going to be loved, I think, is what, like, I'm hearing. Yeah. Like, when I don't have it all together, is that going to make somebody run?
Starting point is 00:38:22 And the cool part is, and I think what you're asking for is, no, they just run closer to you. Yes. Yes. Don't run further away. Yeah. This is an interesting question, I think, and I want to hear kind of, I mean, I'm trying to be sensitive to, obviously, you're 15 years of marriage. and to move on past that because you have and you're excited about what's in front of you.
Starting point is 00:38:47 But this question, I think, really will help me understand your situation better and the listeners better. Would you date someone that your family doesn't like? Like, how much input are you going to allow them to have? And when I say family, I even mean like close friends because I know as we get older sometimes. No, I think those are red flags, Ben. I think there's a red flags.
Starting point is 00:39:09 And everyone goes into relationships. With, what is it, rose-colored glasses, you just do. You don't always see the bad things, right? And so we are going to depend on the people around us who know us the best. I have friends who have literally put on boots and truck through the mud with me over the last few years. Those people know me through and through, and they love me. And I feel very safe with those people and those friendships.
Starting point is 00:39:31 In those times where I'm newly with someone and all I see is their greatness, I'm going to trust those people to say, hey, Deanna, make sure you're seeing. these or that's a red flag because I don't want to miss those again. I don't want to wake up 15 years from now and be like, oops. Do you give them space to speak that into you? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I have a couple of friends in LA that like I value their wise counsel, advice, their prayers, every bit of it. Like I cling to their words. They know me sometimes better than I know myself. Yeah. It's my like number one piece of advice for 20s. I was just at a conference last week and spoke to a bunch of 20 year olds 20 to 28 and I said my number one piece of advice at this point
Starting point is 00:40:14 in my life is find one two three four if you have 10 awesome but like a few friends that you give the space to speak into you on your successes and the things that are concerning them and listen to them not everybody don't listen to the masses but listen to the few that know you and love you and allow those are the people that can do that those are the people that can do that in a very loving, healthy way. When it is presented to you and done in a very loving and healthy way, hopefully you can be receptive to that. Yeah. Well, I think, yeah, I think that's the starting point is I'm willing to listen and then I want to listen and I'm allowing you to speak into me. So I will listen. You have to be receptive. Absolutely. You don't want to open that door up
Starting point is 00:41:01 if it's just going to cause controversy and confrontation, you want to open that door up to listen. And it sounds like you are willing and able and you have the people to do that. But they're also going to play a huge voice in this next chapter for you. Well, do you know what I'll add? My children have to like someone.
Starting point is 00:41:22 Like, I have two kids. That's not anything that I'm hiding. That I don't know. I actually was chatting with Kelly yesterday on a separate podcast and asking her advice. Her children are older than mine, so when do you introduce someone to your kids?
Starting point is 00:41:37 I have not met anyone that I think is good enough for my children. And I don't mean that as an insult to someone else. I mean that is like, my children are my world. They are my pride. I do not want a revolving door around my children. A revolving door of men, I don't want that for them. It would have to be someone really great
Starting point is 00:41:55 that I think is worthy of being in my children's life because I value them that. much. It would also be concerning to me because I have the greatest kids in the entire world. If they came to me and said, hey, Joe Schmo is really terrible. I don't like him. That's a red flag to me. Yeah. It's a red flag. Yeah. Okay. But there's not like a timetable. It's not like, hey, six months. It's for you, it's more of like, uh, we'll feel it out. Well, I'll know. I have this like in my head. I don't want to introduce anyone to the kids before a year. I just like have that in my head because I think the same thing.
Starting point is 00:42:31 in relationships, I don't think you fully get to know someone. There is a, there is a place of where it's just like, you know, lust for quite some time. That's not real love. You don't, you don't really truly love someone. I don't feel like until like seven or eight months. You just don't fully know someone yet. You haven't done enough real life. So I can't imagine like before a year putting someone in my kid's life. But then again, like I have faith. If someone comes along and I'm like, this is it. Like I just feel it in my heart of hearts. Like this is in my gut. Then maybe I'll feel differently. But no one has, no one has. has made me feel differently yet. Yeah. Let's change that. Let's bring somebody in here that's
Starting point is 00:43:06 going to rock your world in all the best ways. If at this point in your life, we've talked previously about kind of what you're interested in and keeping things. It sounds like to me you want to be serious, but you also want to keep things casual. You do have your kids and there's days with your kids that you're dedicating and then you can date, you know, when the kids aren't around or, you know, strategically. If you went on a date and somebody said, this is awesome, I want to go on another date with you. I want to get to know you better. But I'm going to be honest, I'm also dating three other people right now. Is that okay with you? Yeah, it's all right. It's totally okay. Can I date three other people at the same time? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I am not a serial
Starting point is 00:43:50 dater. I'm more of a monogamous person. I have a really hard time concentrating on more than one person at a time like that. So, so I don't know that I would do it. But I think that it's absolutely appropriate for someone to be dating multiple people at a time until they figure out what's important. And like, listen, I think I'm pretty great. If I'm not in for them, please move on. But it'd be so much cooler if somebody sat down on one day and they're like, hey, I was dating these other people, but I don't want to date. You have blown me away. I'm not dating. You're it. Yeah. I got to call them tomorrow because I'm done. I'm cutting off all the other sisters. You're it. That'd be awesome. Not that I would even be considered.
Starting point is 00:44:24 but I'm going to take my name out of the pool here to keep things less awkward. The, we do, we're going to kind of switch into the more of the physical elements of dating. Sex, looks, and also kind of what you're into. You're just making it weird. I'm making it very weird right now. It's not my fault. Of all the bachelors since the beginning, who is the most handsome in your opinion? My bachelor, Brad, was pretty good looking.
Starting point is 00:44:54 He is a handsome. He's a handsome stud muffin. Yeah. Like, he's really hot. Yeah. Like I, he's kind of only gotten hotter too. He is.
Starting point is 00:45:02 He is. I tend to think that I have had the hottest bachelor of all time. I really do. No, I mean, I just interviewed him and I was like, goodness, gracious buddy.
Starting point is 00:45:09 Did you really? Yeah. He's alive. Yeah. That's great to hear. He's doing well. That's so great. Got big muscles.
Starting point is 00:45:16 He's very big, beefy man. Yeah. I'm actually not into the beef. I don't mind some, some armage. Yeah. But I'm just not into the beef.
Starting point is 00:45:24 Like I get my protein, but I'm not like counting grams all day. He'd keep you safe. He would keep me safe for sure. I think he keeps someone safe. He does. Yeah. He's a happy guy. She's also very attractive, I think.
Starting point is 00:45:37 Yeah. It makes sense. It makes, absolutely. Who had the greatest personality of all the bachelors? Bob, listen, you aside, I think you're really great. I think you're really great. I can't even be talked about in this. Remember, I'm out.
Starting point is 00:45:50 Like, you can't even consider me. I'm so glad. But let me say, I told someone today, I was very pleased. that I, very few people come on to this show and leave still being true to themselves. It just happens that some people change, right? They become more famous. They become less famous. They sell teeth whitener.
Starting point is 00:46:06 I don't know. You know, their job changes. I really value and appreciate people who can come on to the show and remain true to themselves and be just who they are. And you've done that. And I really appreciate that about you. Well, I appreciate that. Thanks.
Starting point is 00:46:18 Thank you for saying that. Bob has a great personality. I would never date Bob. And thankfully, he's married too. But I like funny guys. and Bob's funny. Yeah, Bob is one of like, Bob and Andrew Firestone are two people
Starting point is 00:46:31 that when you're in a room with them, you just know it's going to be better. Absolutely. And it's not like a forced funny. It's just like a joy that they're just great. Like, yeah, they just good people. Good people. They're great.
Starting point is 00:46:42 And neither one of them, neither one of them has it gone to their heads. No. I mean, Bob floats a little. Well, no, Bob wants it to go to his head. Like Bob is looking for the like reason why he can get a little, little bit. He wants it. It just never happens. And so he just lives in this lane of like, but I'm pretty great, right? Guys, look around the room. Everybody goes, yes, Bob. I'm the shiny
Starting point is 00:47:04 star. Yeah. He wants it. I mean, you're cool, but like, I'm also really cool. I'm really great. Really great. Bob is, Bob is an incredible human. Bob is. One of a kind. What is your ultimate fantasy date? A baseball game. What, what team? I'm from Atlanta, so I'm a Braves fan. Okay. But like, I'll suffer through a Dodgers game. If I have. to. I just like baseball. It actually is on my list. I would like to hit a stadium in every state. Oh, it's a great deal. I have quite a few. Yeah. I have friends who have kids who have done that with like their kids. They've hit every stadium like once. And I think it's so awesome. Um, I'm a big Cubs fan. So, oh, you're a Cubby. Big Cubs fan. Go to many games. Look at you. I know.
Starting point is 00:47:47 Speaking of fantasy, uh, would you sleep with somebody on the first date? No. Would you kiss him on the first date. Yes. Okay. I'm sorry. Maybe I'm a prude. Maybe I'm a bit of a prude. Your standards are your standards. They are. So let me say two things. If I thought that the first date was going to go somewhere and it was longevity, no, I would not sleep with them on the first date. If I was just trying to get down and I found them super hot and it was a means to an end, I would. I would not have done that in my 20s, but like, listen, we know I've had sex at least twice. Yeah. Nine and 11. But like so there's so you're not saying no i am in a place in my life where i would like a relationship to turn into something really great therefore i would not sleep on the first date i would not sleep
Starting point is 00:48:33 with someone on the first date that makes sense okay can you be in love with two people at once i don't think i personally can okay so we when we're doing this like it has to be like singular focused like we're sending you on dates it's not like i mean you did the bachelorette though i had a really hard time with the bachelorette okay i don't know if it was easy for you, I had a really hard time deciphering feelings between several people. Now, given the scenario, you've done it. I didn't have deep feelings for five or six people. I say this all the time and I've probably said it to you before. It is like walking into a bar, looking around and seeing the 30 men that are there. I could probably pick out two that I would
Starting point is 00:49:15 like to speak to. Yeah. That's how the Bachelorette was for me. Okay. I saw 25 great looking guys come out of the limo some more than others and I picked out literally two people that I knew were going to be my final two in the end and they were. My final four was the final four from day one till the end. It was the same guys. Did you force that though? Like did you want to prove that you knew? No. I just knew. Jesse, I knew I wanted to go snowboarding. I thought it sounded fun. He was fun. He was fun. Graham Bunn was smoking hot. He was it for me. Like he was it. Like I was sold on day one. All I wanted to do was see him naked. Yeah. It's terrible. It's terrible. Jason Mesnick, we had really... Smoking hot. Great chemistry. He's a very nice guy. I love to dance. He loved
Starting point is 00:50:06 to dance. I just thought he was great. Yeah. And then there was Jeremy Anderson, who was the smoking hot lawyer, but he was just too pretty for me. I remember sitting in a hot tub and he was more concerned with flexing his abs for the camera than he was with me. And I was like, this is never going work. Yeah. This is never going to work. You had some good guys, though. I did. I had some really great guys. Who'd you choose? Baltimore. Who was it? What was the name? Jesse. Jesse. Jesse. That's who I chose Jesse. That's who I chose. It was, it happened. Yeah. Meznik. You win some and you lose some. Another one of my favorite Bachelor of all time, Jason Meznik. He's great. Just an absolute, just gym of a human. Do you know who I love more? Who? Molly. Yeah. Well, I mean, she's really the
Starting point is 00:50:46 shining star. Yeah. They're just two good people. They are. They're another two good people that when they get in the room with you. You're like, I just like you both. And it hasn't gone to their heads. No, it hasn't. Ever. Nope. They're great. They're great. As we sit here today, we're going to ready kick this thing off. What is your goal from famously available? I'd like to find someone really great. That is genuinely my goal. It's genuinely my goal. I really like to do this. I think I told you I could talk to a wall. This is a lot of fun for me. But I really, I really would. And I think I've said this to you before. I did The Bachelorette because I think outside of the box
Starting point is 00:51:22 when it comes to dating. Please don't take me to dinner and drinks. We could do that anytime. Like, let's just do some... I want to go to pickleball. I'm going to find me a pickleball court in L.A., and I'm just going to, like, sit on the sidelines and just, like, wait for someone to ask me out.
Starting point is 00:51:37 But somebody could take you to the Dodgers game. I would love that. I would love that. I took a guy to a Dodgers game one time. Yeah. We didn't go out again. Would you kiss after a hot dog? I really like him.
Starting point is 00:51:47 cameras and hot dogs, but like on Memorial Day. Yeah. I don't know. Depends on if they had a beer or something to wash it down. Yeah. Yeah. It's a rough go. There is a difference though in the smell of a hot dog and just like straight up halitosis. Like I would take a hot dog smell over her like horrible breath. Yeah. Floss, brush your teeth. This is going to be a blast. I cannot wait to get this thing kicked off with you. The stories. I just, you're excited for your future. So am I. I am excited for the future because I love good. stories. And I think you're somebody who just, like, by God's gift to this world, creates a good story all the time. And they're going to be funny. They're going to be sweet. They're
Starting point is 00:52:29 going to be romantic. And I cannot wait to be a part of it. It's great to chat with you again. Thanks. to a comedy club. Answer, a new podcast called Wisecrack, where a comedian finds himself at the center of a chilling true crime story. Does anyone know what show they've come to see? It's a story.
Starting point is 00:53:00 It's about the scariest night of my life. This is Wisecrack, available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. December 29th, 1975. airport. The holiday rush, parents hauling luggage, kids gripping their new Christmas toys. Then, everything changed.
Starting point is 00:53:27 There's been a bombing at the TWA terminal, just a chaotic, chaotic scene. In its wake, a new kind of enemy emerged, terrorism. Listen to the new season of Law and Order Criminal Justice System on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her.
Starting point is 00:54:05 Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Super Secret Bestie Club podcast season four is here. And we're locked in. That means more juicy chisement. Terrible love advice.
Starting point is 00:54:29 Evil spells to cast on your ex. No, no, no, we're not doing that this season. Oh. Well, this season, we're leveling up. Each episode will feature a special bestie, and you're not going to want to miss it. My name is Curley. And I'm Maya. Get in here.
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