The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Real Life Dating Advice, Unsolicited D*** Pics, and Bio-Bating

Episode Date: October 4, 2025

Modern dating has become a land mine! Should we rely on AI to match AND set up our dates? Are you OVER receiving unsolicited nudes?! And what the heck is "bio-bating"???Kelly and Louise deep dive into it all, plus they answer some of YOUR tough questions!  Email us at: [e-mail] or call us at 844-4-I Do Pod (844-443-6763)Follow I Do, Part 2 on Instagram and TikTokSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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all in love again. Listen to Heavyweight on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. by one of your favorite single gals and mine you know her and love her on the pod it's louise hi louise how are hi kelly it's good to be back with you today we have so much to talk about we're talking about trends and dating and then we're going to talk about some relationship stuff and answer some questions are you ready i'm ready let's get into it first of all how's your relationship wow well i had to put it on pause because my own best baggage always comes into play.

So, yeah, so figuring it out. What kind of baggage? You don't have no baggage. You're too pretty for baggage. Well, maybe on the exterior. Thank you for saying that. No, just some of my avoidant attachment stuff comes into play and all that stuff. So I'm taking a pause on that right now and trying to do some cleanup on it.

But at least I'm recognizing it and I'm recognizing my pattern. And it's not for lack of the most amazing guy I'd probably ever been dating. So I have to figure this up. Can you just tell me a little bit about avoidant attachment and kind of what that means to you? People use that a lot and I'm just interested to hear what you have to say about it. Yeah. So I think when you grow up and you have some sort of like trauma wounds, you develop how you react to situations. And I think for me, when somebody wants too much of me, it feels like pressuring and suffocating.

So what happens is the more they kind of come at me wanting more, I end up going a little bit more backwards. And the more I go backwards, the more they want me. So I'm attracting more maybe anxious kind of attachment. So it's kind of like this dance. And I need to figure out that piece because what it's doing is it's almost having the opposite effect, I think, of what they're wanting. I guess I'm a lot more like the guy in it maybe at times. And that just comes from some baggage in my life. But I'm aware of it, and I'm really trying to improve on it.

So we'll see what happens. But a good one. What about you? I mean, come on. Let's be honest, like, you're so pretty and smart. I'm sure that a lot of guys are like, I want that. It's like the bright, shiny, you know, bright and shiny. You're bright and shiny.

So everyone's like, that's what they want. Thank you. Well, I appreciate that. It's just, I think this is a bummer because this was probably the unicorn. of all unicorns that I'd ever been involved in. So look, I believe in the universe and if something is meant to be, it circles back in the right way or it doesn't. And I feel like each kind of person in my life or all that is just getting better and

better and I'm making better and better choices and getting healthier. So it's going to work itself out. I love that. Let's talk about some new dating app launches. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. The world is crazy. So Louise, there's this app. It's called Hilly, H-I-L-Y, and it's a dating app with 39 million worldwide users, and they just launched a feature to stop unwanted, explicit messages, and cyber flashing. That sounds very provocative. Or sending non-consexual nude images. So they have a consent guard, which uses machine learning models and custom algorithm to scan for your specific words and messages and elements of photos. So if something actually

rate is coming through, Hillie will alert a user that their match wants to send an explicit message. What do you think of A, sending explicit messages and B, would you ever ask for one? Well, I mean, first of all, I think it's great that there's all these different kind of apps that like work for somebody's own individual kind of like appetite or kink or whatever, right? It's definitely not a one-size-fits-all kind of thing out there. So if there are apps that are more specific to something like this, then somebody is going to like that. I personally, if I were to get that, I wouldn't, like, I would, like, block right away. But I think for some people, they're going to be into this.

And they're going to think this is, I don't know, like, it's the feature of blocking it for some people, I think, is going to, going to work well while others still want the dick picks. So this is a feature. It's not an ADD app. It's actually a feature that goes that's on the dating app to alert people who want photos or who don't want photos. Because you know, there's that there's you can like go and like check different words like I don't want to see booms or whatever it is. I don't want to see nudes. I just don't. I that's just not my thing. I want to see people smiling with their friends, with their family, their hobbies. Like, I definitely, I'm not going to be like, wow, I really want to have a relationship with that person based on their man parts.

Like, no, that's not, that's. But there are people who are going to like that, right? Like, there are people that will respond and they're going to love that function. And that's going to go with the goods. So it's weeding out in a way the people that you don't want to be communicating with. versus the ones that you do want to be in dialogue with. I think that a lot of people do send nudes so that they can kind of like be like, oh my God, like look at me, look at me, like kind of like a clickbait.

But that still is not my vibe. Like that would make me very uncomfortable. And I would also think that the person wasn't serious because all they wanted to do is just show me their package. Right. And there's a lot of that. Yes. There is a lot of that.

So it's a good feature. I think that, look, I think if you read all the articles, the world of dating apps is changing, right? It just seems like the numbers are down. So I think that in an effort to kind of get them back and popular and more user-friendly, they're coming up with all of these different, you know, kind of things that you can do to make it more appetizing and to bring people back to it. I love the way you just said that. I'm like, I'm with her.

Whatever Louise says, I'm with her. No, but it's true. It's true that, you know, there has to be some kind of something that's new to make people be like, okay, it's not so bad to be on a dating app. But there's the stigma of dating apps is not what it used to be. I mean, everyone, everyone's on dating apps. So, you know, that's just not what it was, you know. Did you watch the documentary on Whitney, the person who started Bumble and started at Tinder that was on. I think it was on Hulu.

You know. It's really interesting. You should watch it. Kind of like the history of it and everything. Yeah. Well, I know a little bit of her background, like,

because she was like in a very male-dominated, you know, universe and she wanted the women to have control, which I thought was very, very cool. What, I mean, I just like the whole thing of like,

these new words like, cyber flashing. Like, what is going. But I love it. I mean, look up even going back to the word of ghosting. I mean,

all these words, bread crumbs or whatever they call them i mean it's like all these new words and we can't even you know oh there was a great one one of my friends um taught me the other day a gray rock or something i mean it's just i don't know it has something to do with um i don't know i'm gonna probably get this wrong and like almost like a friend zone no version of like somebody's doing something that i'm not liking so i'm going to gray rock them which is basically like put them on ice or something i don't know i i didn't retain it well but it was the phrase gray rock And I guess we'll have to Google that later.

So have you talked to your kids? Because both of us, you know, we have young adults. Have you talked to your kids about this cyber flashing and nudes? I actually haven't yet. I don't even, to be honest with you, I don't know if my guys are on dating apps or not. Because every time I ask questions, they get so annoyed with me. And so their new line is, we'll tell you when there's something to tell you. And I'm like, oh, okay.

So I like that. I don't know. I don't, I have no idea. And, you know, I know our Snapchat, I mean, I'm not even on. They used to do it. Like, I remember my kids saying they were getting a lot of, you know, pictures on Snapchat. I mean, I, my kids, they're just, they're not like that. They're, they aren't.

They're just not, they don't send nudes. I know they don't. Yeah. I mean, I've raised my kids differently. Like, I've never seen them getting a jam on any of that stuff. So I don't know, though. I mean, it's, I think it's good to have this kind of, like, ability, this, like, police concept to police that behavior. If somebody doesn't want it, and if somebody wants it, they can be like, hey, thumbs up, bring it.

Well, do you remember just, like, I remember one time I was an Ranger game, and all of a sudden there was a dick pink that just came on my phone. And I was with my oldest daughter at the time, and I opened my phone and someone, I think, I don't know if it's through WhatsApp or someone just, like, send me a picture. And I was like, whoa, this was not appropriate. And it put me in a, it was very uncomfortable, clearly. You know, I'm like at a game where people are there. And then my daughter was there. Well, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I do think the other app that we should go into is actually really interesting.

And so should we talk about that one? Wait, but hold on. Before we do, I just want to tell you that I actually got a, a dick pick from a guy where he used FaceTune. No. He made his penis so long. I was like, I'm sorry. Is that like a, is that like, you know, like for your lawn more, for your lawn, you know, to cut your grass?

Like, what is that? I'm in between your life. Oh, my God. I was telling. I was like, is this for real? No, seriously. No, Louise, it was just so long. I mean, the proportion of it was crazy.

Yeah, you're like, I want that. That's not, that's not even a fit. I mean, could you imagine? I mean, honestly, I will tell you one thing. There is one thing that we, a bunch of us discovered, which was super fun, which you could superimpose your face onto, this is, onto porn shots. So we're super fun, which I'm glad we didn't get caught, and I'm glad my kids never saw us. We would, like, we could superimpose, like, our face from guys' face. onto this like crazy like porn sex shot and we could send it to our friends and it was like it looked

really that was that was actually fun to do i'm glad i didn't get caught on that this guy was just like vying for the cover of the big penis book that's all it was but was it real no i was like whoa i was like if that's your penis we have a serious issue like that is disgusting so yeah let's um let's what What are your thoughts on this other new feature in dating apps? Okay, so are we talking about Amata? Yeah. Okay. I think it's really interesting.

Well, tell me what you think Amata is first. So Amata is a new dating app that just launched in the U.S. this week, which it's basically using AI, right, to kind of shake up the dating experience. Yeah. So instead of swiping through profiles, Amata has its users chat with a lot. an AI matchmaker called Amada. They ask very specific questions about dating preferences, goals, and then all of a sudden, they pitch you potential matches to go and to do it.

I have to tell you, I am the biggest AI. I'm obsessed with AI. So between quoting ChatGPT and TikTok, my friends want to hit me. But think about it, right? I mean, it is the world. I mean, I'm using ChatGPT for therapy now, and it is dead on. So you just go in there, you're like, what happens when X? Oh, I mean, literally, if you sign up for the monthly chat GPT,

that thing gets to know you. And I do therapy on chat GPT. So if you were to read, like even based on what we were talking about earlier with some of my attachment stuff, if you were to go into my AI and read it, it's dead on. It will tell me why I'm reacting this way, how to navigate it, what it's coming from in my childhood. So it knows me really, really, really well. So think about an AI matchmaker that's dialed into what I'm looking for and who I am and then is having the same conversations, question asking, and learning about somebody is matching us and then take it a step further. They're going

to set up the date for us. Right. I mean, I think I'm not on dating apps. I would go on that dating out. Well, it just takes so much fear out of it. But I mean, I'm on the fence about it because on the one hand, I'm thinking to myself, like, it would be nice for someone else. Like, obviously, you know, if you're not, if your friends aren't setting you up, for someone else to be like an AI who like knows you, like you were saying, is saying, here are the things, here are the things that define you. And here's a guy that would, that would compliment that. That you may not be, you may have overlooked if you were just looking on a regular, on a regular dating app. So, I like that.

I think that's good. But setting up a date, I mean, I understand it takes the fear and the pressure out of it. But isn't that the whole point of going on the date is to like, oh my God, am I wearing the right outfit? Do you think she's going to like the, you think she's going like where we're going? Like all the excitement. Are we taking all the excitement out of dating?

Well, I think, first of all, an app is only as good as the client. that are on it okay yeah so let's assume that this app has amazing options on it right that's the most important thing so they match you with x and you guys are super excited so when they're setting up the date how i write it was that they were actually kind of setting up the time and the meeting place and all of that so i don't think it eliminated the excitement because i do think i agree with you most of the exciting part about the date is the anticipation, the talking about it with your friends, and the outfit and the FaceTime appet.

The date itself, you know, eight times out of 10 is a hard pass, right? You and I know. We've been on a million dates. So I think that still exists. The only thing is I think they're just setting up saying, hey, Kelly, you're going to meet so-and-so, you know, at stake 48 at 8 o'clock. So is AI doing the matching and setting up? Is that okay?

Like, what do you, like, what about people who are, who are not? dating like on chatbots forget like the you know the voyeurism and the serenot diversion now it's like not like actually a chat tpt is like talking to the other person this is what you say you should say to the other person well okay so let's be real like i will tell you sometimes if i'm having an issue with somebody in my life or a friend i will ask chat gpt some of the bullet points i should bring up right and i sit with my computer in front of me when i'm having my and I will reference my notes on chat GPT. So I will tell you it's that's so smart.

It's actually, you should try it. I should definitely try that. Even if it's an issue, even if it's something, let's say you want to talk to your client about reducing the price of your listing that isn't selling, it will help you have that really challenging conversation in an incredibly eloquent way. Right. And a profession way.

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about with housewives. What am I supposed to do? Be like, hey, Luan. No, I really don't like it when you talk to me like that. No, but, but exactly. Okay, so think about it. Even on dating, right? So, supposing you're going to react always the same way. And it just comes out, what this does is it gives you an organized framework of the bullet points and the thoughts that you want to get across. So it kind keeps you on target it's right i think you're going to round a lot more on on a chat gpt because i think it it's pretty incredible so back to the dating thing think about it so you fill out kind of what you're looking for who you are what your core value system is what you like what you don't like the same time the guy hopefully is filling at all the same stuff boom boom boom boom computer swirl around

boom it's a match instead of swiping swiping swiping swiping so then they match you and you're chatting a little bit. And then you're like, okay, let's try this. Let's go out and see if it, wouldn't it be amazing if it was? And, you know, it's also interesting, just listening to you kind of talk through that, is that sometimes these guys on these apps, the way they present themselves, you're like, and then you meet them, and you're like, wait, not so much it's that it's catfishing. It's just that they just don't know how to present themselves.

And if it's like a professional headshot from like you're where you work, work. It just doesn't resonate. It doesn't resonate. Like, and it's just like, if I had pictures of me modeling on my, on mine, people would be like, I'm sorry, what's going on? Well, I think there's a lot of fabric. I think there's a lot of, yeah, but I also think there's a lot of fabrication. Like, we all know somebody who says they're 65, 60 is really 65. Somebody who says they're 510 is really 5.8, right? Or somebody, right? People lie about the agent. So I, I don't like that. Like, I think right out of the gate, you have to be, you know, kind of honest. That's my feeling. Wait, let's talk about that because that's called there

there's a word for it. It's called biobating. By the way, another great word. Another great word. It's like Uber, Ways, Tinder. I mean, it's part of our dictionary now. Biobating. Biobating. I know. Exactly. Ghosting, gray walling or whatever, stonewalling, whatever. Grey Rock. Gray Rock. I probably got it on, but yeah. I remember that because it reminds me of like bottle rock. Okay. I saw me like bottle on. Cool vibes. Gray rock. I'm going to give you an assignment. it. When we get off, go on to chaty BT and say, what's the definition of gray rocking? You got to do it. I'm going to. Of course, I'm going to.

Yeah. I love talking to. I mean, I just get along with you. It's easy. You are. But are you also very smart. So it's just like I'm super interested always in what you have to say. So, okay, the biobating. So would you, would you change your age? No, I don't. Let me tell you what I do. Okay. People know my age. I do with Google me. I'm 57. Like it's not some big, big, like, mystery. But it's, it's more than that. Like, what about if I'm like, I helloskey?

I mean, bullshit helloskey. Can you imagine we start dating this guy's like, I booked our first trip. We're helloski. Oh, I don't know how to helloski? What? Like, you can't, right? And people lie about big, oh, I love to hike. Well, I can't hike up hills.

I've a torn meniscus. How is that possible? Right. So what I do is right out of the gate, I am exactly who I am. So I say, I just want to manage your expectations right now. I don't cook. If you were looking for Susie Homemaker, who's going to whip up a gourmet meal, that's not me. Right.

Right. So I do the opposite of bio baiting. I just put all the unsavory things about me right out there and say, hey, love me for who I am. We can go out again or we don't, but what you see is what you get. I really love that. I love that. These guys are probably like, she's so hot. It's fine.

Reservations. We're fine. We're fine. So I wrote a book called The Dangerous Age. novel, which was about me as an editor and, you know, starting off in New York. And my, um, my editor was like, I really, at the time I was single and she was like, I really want you to go on dating apps. I had, this is like, I, it's like 10 years ago. I'm like, I don't even know what this is. And so I went on a dating app and it put my night, my, my, um, it put my age as 10 years

younger. It was on, uh, what was it called? Bumble. Bumble. I put my age is 10 years younger. Automatically? Like you put in your age and it already did that? I put in my age.

I was like, you know, in my 40s. And it changed it to my 30s. Which I wasn't, I wasn't mad at. No, I get it, but that's so interesting.

I know. And sometimes hinge does that too. Hinge'll just give you a different age too. Some people just put it in a different age. Well, how about this? This is really funny. So I don't do dating apps, but I have a lot of friends where I ghost date app for them.

So this is really interesting because I will, like some of my friends just don't want to do it. So I'm doing the dating for them on their dating app. But sometimes I'm answering questions as if it's me. So stupid thing like, oh yeah, I love coffee, you know, and then my friend, then once it looks like it's a match, then I will give her phone number to the guy and then they'll be on the phone and something random will be like, so you love coffee? Like, what's your favorite coffee shop in L.A.? And she's texting me saying, I don't drink coffee, ding-dong, you know what I'm saying?

She's like I've never had coffee in my life. Right. So I think that's a version of, I guess it's a version of bio baiting to the worst degree because they think they're going on a date with her, but really they're, I guess they're going on a date with me. We've got to come up with a word for that. Yeah. That's a bait and switch.

That's a bait and switch. That is a bait and switch. Yes. Well, we'll think about that. Well, you know, it's interesting because my ex-fiance, I met him on Hinge. And he and my assistant was the one that was like, I want you to meet someone that's Jewish. I want you to meet someone that's in, you know, that has a consistent job. And he was the one that put me on the dating app. And he put me in his 10 years younger too. And I was like, oh my. And so when I met my. ex-fiance he's like oh he's like you're so young and I'm like yeah I was actually like I was actually a year older than him look I think the age fudge is not as offensive as like other things right right I mean I think that's like kind of like a white lie it's not that big of a deal I mean for some people like if you're trying to come off as like 30 and you're in your mid 40s that's weird but like a couple of years like who cares Botox it kind of work yeah it opens up your range. It's like when you're pricing a house, are you pricing it at 10995 or 11, right? You want to get both sides of the buyer pool. But I think bigger things like saying you're divorced when you're

just separated, that's a big deal. That's, I know, that's unacceptable. That is like, but like fudging on your age a little bit, like it's also super hard to tell how old people are too. Well, you look 16. I mean, you look 16, but in your, you're in your, you're in your, 50s. But I agree with you. Some people look really good for their age. But I think putting up pictures from 20 years ago, that's not okay. And then you show up at the date and you're like, wait, where are you? Oh, is that your dad? Like, you know what I'm saying? 100%. I totally agree. I totally agree. I'm like, so I'm like, we're both on the same page. We both like are okay with the age, but like all the other nonsense. Like if you have to be truthful because like,

again, like someone's like, okay, I'm super excited about meeting someone. And then they're like, like you said, like someone's super athletic and the other person's like, I hate sports. I am, you know, that may work, but typically people want to be around like, like minded. I mean, I don't know. You have to have similar interests, right? So if you're right out of the gate saying you love certain things that you hate and then you're dating, they're like, oh, yeah, like, let's go to the, you know, championship this or the, you know, the national, whatever. And then you're like, oh, I hate football. What?

It doesn't work. you know look i will say overall it's it's it's such a bummer like gone are the days of people meeting out like normal or how rare is it now sitting at a table and you know just meeting people like we did back in the day i mean these phones have destroyed everything right you know also what i was just thinking about with the biobating is just like trust is such a big thing especially for me just because I've had, I've lived a life of like so much, you know, I did not trust any male that I've ever been with for obvious reasons. Infidelity, you know, X, Y, Z, whatever. And so that's just such a big deal. So I think that like, the age thing doesn't bother me,

but everything else. Like, if you're, it's like, it's like, if you're going to start lying about little things, what about the big things? Do you know what I mean? Like, all of a sudden, like, it's just like, you're just like, oh, it doesn't matter it's just a lie it matters matters it matters it's a gateway just to you know kind of it's a gateway it's a gateway to it's a gateway to continue lying and you know I'm always trying to teach my children like lying to get what you want is not strength it's weakness right you're a dishonest person and you put your head on your pillow at night and you're okay being left of center and not honest like that's just that's just who you are and if you start a relationship in a lie then you're

just going to continue to lie. It's like, who are you? Right. That's why I say I don't cook right out of the gate. I'm fun at a table and I'm fun with a cocktail and I love to go out and eat, but I will never, never, ever, ever be able to even, I can't even figure out how to cut an avocado. I bought the thing, like, you know, I still can't do it. Hi there, this is Josh Clark from the Stuff You Should Know podcast. If you've been thinking, Man alive, I could go for some good true crime podcast episodes, then have we got good news for you. Stuff You Should Know just released a playlist of 12 of our best true crime episodes of all time.

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Every day. Every day. And you know what, I don't know about you. My kids are so desensitized on it. Like when I say, oh, this friend is getting divorced, they look at me, they go, doesn't everybody get divorced? It's like, no. No.

I never wanted to get divorce. I mean, from my ex-husband, I stayed and stayed and stayed and stayed and stayed until I was like, I can't do this anymore. I know. It's so sad. It's just this world. It's just, and there was a lot of big ones this week.

I mean, I was surprised by the Nicole Kidman. So was I. I thought they looked really happy. So I guess don't judge a book by its cover. I'm a sucker for that. But then I do look at Instagram. But they've been together, they've been together for so long, and they've been together through so much.

Like, I just think, you know, these long marriages are being, you know, literally challenged. And, you know, are we supposed to be only, like, five, is, are the relationships, like, supposed to be five to ten, you know, five to seven years? Like, are long relationships over? Like, I don't want to have a short relationship. My next, my relationship, my relationship, I want to be in it forever. I'm tired of, like, meeting people and, like, going in and out of relationships. I don't want that.

So I think if you, if you look at the history of, like, a lot of these long marriages, right? No. They have covered a lot of things. Having children, raising children. There's been financial, you know, navigating careers, all that. that's a lot, right? That's a lot of texture to a relationship. And what we see a lot is, and I'm not sure of the exact ages of their kids,

as you see when the kids get old and go to college, there's no blue left. And people just go their way. Or you say yourself, we've made it this far. We should just keep on going. But I think, for me, it's funny. I think, I don't know, I have a lot of fear about a second marriage because they just, Statistics say that if you've been divorced once, it's pretty easy to throw the towel in a second time.

And here's the bigger issue. I don't know about you. But, and there's a whole, we should do a whole other conversation on. There's a new type of relationship. There's two new type of relationships. But one is, I think it's called LTA. It's like married but living apart, right? Which kind of interesting.

I mean, if you've been divorced many years and you've got used to kind of sleeping in your own bed and doing your own thing and putting on your own TV shows and all that. Like, I don't know. That's kind of hard to then get back into a 24-7 thing. So when you hear about the like part-time living together and part-time not, I think it's, I think it's interesting. I don't know. I think Judith Light, she does that.

But, you know, what's the point of being married to someone if you're going to be living apart? Not all the time. I think half the week. Right. But like my parents, I remember like when we all left, so we were three from Illinois. And when we all left, my mother just traveled with my dad everywhere. She just went on every single trip with him.

And that's how they maintain that stickiness. Or when you don't see somebody all the time, there's an excitement. Right. But not if you've been married 50. No, no, I understand. But I'm talking about in this new kind of world of so much, divorce. I mean, what is it, 80% or 70% of the people are divorced, right?

Right. Say yourself on your, you know, I don't know about you, but like I have a very big life in terms of friends, career, independence, kids, you know, a relationship is one slice of a cake, whereas back in the day, it was our whole world, right? So I don't know how easy it will be for me just to be like all in 24-7 when I, I haven't worked that muscle for so long like that. And I still enjoy my girls' dinners and my this and my that. So I don't know that if I'm the 24-7 person, what about you when you get back into a significant relationship? So because I've been, you know, on my own, raising my kids for so long and wearing, you know, being the provider and being the nurturer, I'm really looking for now that my kids are older.

Like, I feel so much better about myself. I am more curious and more interested in people. And, you know, before, I was just working. And I was, I never even asked people how they work. It just didn't. Or if I did, it was like a throwaway. I'm like, how are you? Not like, now I'm like, hey, how are you?

I'm just more interested in hearing about what's happening in my friend's lives and, you know, obviously very connected to my girls. And so I really, I know that my next marriage is going to be the one. I also never, I know this sounds really weird, but like I've never been in love. Ever?

I have like the worst. I have such serious trust issues that I'm always like, I'm constantly waiting for the other shoe to drop. Even in high school and college? well I mean when I was in high school I was modeling and going to going to and going to school like I was you know I started modeling when I was 15 so I had like guys that were fun and cute but I wasn't like in love with them I wasn't I mean I'd puppy love but I wasn't like oh my god I can't live without this person well when you fall in love cookie you are it's going to knock you off your you know it's the best feeling in the world it's like the greatest drug yeah well I'm I'm looking for it That's not true. I'm not looking for love, but I am definitely open to being in love with someone, yes. So do you think that Lori Lachlan and Massimo, I'm going to butcher his name, Giannuli?

I mean, it's been 28 years. Do you think that this is just going to be like a little pause? Or do you think, Louise, do you think that they're going to get back together? What are your thoughts? I hope they get back together. It makes me very, very sad. I think they've weathered some stuff. And I think that they were, you know, partners on some important things.

And so I was very sad when I read about that. I mean, just People magazine says that they've been married for 28 years. They're living apart, taking a break from their marriage. There's no legal proceedings at this time. The split comes after the full house alum and her estranged husband listed their 11,800 square foot match. I hope you're representing that property in Hidden Hills for $16.5 million. The couple purchased it for nine. Lori and her husband Massimo pleaded guilty to wire fraud and male fraud

and were accused of paying $500,000 for their daughters, Olivia, Jade, and Isabella Rose admission to USC. And they were falsely designated as recruits to the university crew team, even though they never participated in the sports. And so Lachlan was sentenced to two months in federal prison while her husband received a five-month sentence in August of the same year. Like how do you go from all of that drama, which is like that's not like made for TV movie. That's like real life, bad news, bears. Like how do you come back from that?

Well, I kind of look at it like they were partners. Like Bonnie and Clyde? No, it's not even that. like I think that is that is something that they as a family right and it's kind of like God forbid like a couple that experiences the death of a child like that is between the that's the two of them like it either makes you or breaks you they say right I think this is at that level I mean that's a that's a very significant pivotal life changing type of a situation and I think I would have looked at it like only the two of the two of the

them, you know, could understand that and experience that, all of it. Even, you know, going to, you know, into the jail time, like, I think that would have been like cement, like permanent glue cement to have kept them together. I was very surprised. And I was sad about that. I mean, they did their time. They did. So I don't know. I just, I was sad about them. I guess, like, my thought is, after you've been through all these different things that are so public and awful and I you know really ruin their family culture is going on pause is that something that is good for the dynamic I mean I feel like if you're in a situation like that going on pause it's just going to be like so now you you've you know you've you've done horrible things for your

children you've both have been in prison you've done wire fraud all these different things and now you're going to separate and you're going to be like he's going to be dating this person You're going to be dating that person. How do you get back? How do you, where do you go from there? You know, I think sometimes there's enough history and texture with two people that they might take a break and then ultimately we have seen people circle back to each other. Maybe they just need that pause to kind of get regrouped.

Yeah. And then kind of circle back now. I've seen marriages, people split up and then they get back together and they reconcile. I mean, look at, you know, Ben Stiller and his wife. Right. And it happens. I mean, it's interesting. Like, I think my kids would, like, flip their shit if all of a sudden we got back

together. I mean, I just think that they would think it was the worst thing in the world. But, you know, people have done it, right? I mean, first of all, it's not easy out there. Let's be real. I mean, it's just not easy out there. It is not easy. No, and it's slim pickings.

And there's, you know, bread crumbs stuff are terrible. So sometimes, you know, it's like the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know or having some devil. Some people just want somebody. Right. just give me a double. Yeah, you go back to the rear view and you're like, okay, it's good enough, right?

Yeah, I mean, there are so few unicorns out there and there's, I mean, is there any unicorn relationship? No, there's not. I mean, bad stuff happens. It's just not, the other shoe drops. It does. It always does. Now you can pick it up or you can put on a different shoe or you, right?

But at the end of the day, like, it's just what happens. I mean, like we went to, back to what I was talking before. I mean, I could just never do that in a relationship because trust is everything. I have to be able to trust that person 100%. Okay, so me too. So that's an issue. That's an issue for me, probably a lot of where my avoidant stuff comes, that I will very early on on a date or in dating say, did you cheat on your wife? Have you ever cheated before? And if they say yes, I will not go out with them again. Because I think once a cheater, always a cheater. I love dating on a guy. I'm dating a guy who's been cheated on because they know what it's like. And they, and so to me, when I hear that,

I'm like, yes, you're my guy, right? But I have seen cheating firsthand and it doesn't stop. And you take your cheating guy back once. It's a license to continue to do it. Period. Right. You just said, like, here's carte blanche. Go ahead. Keep doing it. I'm okay. Yeah. And so I'm with, I'm with you on, I'm with you on that. The cheating is my kind of hot button, huge, huge red flag. It's like a stop in the tracks. That's a stop sign. So what about Keith Urban?

Do you think those guys are going to get back, Keith? I don't know. I mean, I think that there's a better chance of Lori and Mossimo than I do with Keith and Nicole. I think that was probably in the works for a long time. and then they just kind of made the announcement. Like, didn't some of the articles say they were already living separate lives and people dating and all of that stuff? Yeah.

Right, then it's been settled. I know, but do you think they're going to get back together because they've been together for so long? I don't know, because for so, potentially they were living probably more of separate lives even when we thought they were in their heyday, right? Like they're on movie sets and music tours and, you know, a lot of that stuff, which creates kind of distance. I think that's a little different than the people that are more in the day-to-day weeds

and navigating, you know, life and kids and money and all that stuff, like, together. I think it would be so hard to be in a relationship like that where you're with someone. That's one reason why I'm, like, not interested in dating anyone that's famous because I don't want to be, like, left for three months, four months while they're, you know, filming movie. I just couldn't do that. Well, that's your trust issue, though. What about long, what about, because you'd be worried about the relationships of the co-star, which I get, I would too.

Right. What about a long distance relationship? Would you do that? Well, I'm kind of in that right now. Oh, do tell. Yeah. So, you know, he lives in a different state. How many hours away? Three and a half hours.

Is it airplane or are you able to do like, like, okay, it's not terrible. It's like going to the Hamptons. Oh, okay. So that's not as bad as like L.A. dating New York. I mean, remember you went out that guy who lived in L.A.? Yes, that I was just like, and I liked him so much. I just couldn't. I was like, this is, this is impossible. We will never be able to date. It's exactly, especially with your career, your kids, for your life. It's just too hard to have long distance. I agree. So am I allowed to ask how you met? Was this through an app? No, I met him through a friend. Can you believe that? I actually met him through a friend.

Setups are the best. Yeah. And don't you think it all drops in our lap as it should and when it should? I don't. always gave this to my friends. Like, why are we forcing the issue? It's going to, the universe is going to make it happen at the right time when we're ready. It's just funny because I was in such a bad place. And when he started texting me, I wasn't really paying attention to me. I was like, what does he want with me? I was like, I just in this awful place, this public, you know, I was humiliated publicly, I was cheated on. Like, I was like, what does he want to do? What does he want with me? And he's just been so nice. I've been, it's a nice, Trump's everything. Kelly, people that are devoted and they calm our nervous systems and they show up like this is

what we need. Good for you. Calm your nervous system. Yes, that. That's what I need. I need to be calmed down. I don't need to be calm. We don't want to be activated, right? And I tend to respond to people who are like dopamine hits, right? Like the activation is exciting to me. And, and, and, and, no. That's a piece I got it worked on. You know what I'm saying? But, I don't know. I'm really happy for you. I hope he has a cute friend for me. Yes. Right? I don't know. I mean, you got to come to New York. I know. I'm in LA. I'm definitely coming to see you. I'm definitely coming to see you. Okay. So now we have some listener questions. These are my favorite. I know. I love these.

I know. And everyone's like, but there's so, everyone on the pod has been so great. So here's number one. So it's Denise from Scottsdale. She's going, I'm going on my first date since my divorce next week. And it's been a blind date. I haven't gone on a date in 15. years what's a good icebreaker that could spark good conversation i'm going to take a play out of my best friend's book who is the most exactly like for lack of better word of vomits what's in her head and i think it's so refreshing so she would get there and she'd like oh my god it's my first day in 15 years like i'm excited i'm nervous right there that breaks the ice right instead of coming in and pretending that like she's like yeah i got this like i've been doing this all the time. Like she just kind of says it. And I think that is the way to immediately come in, be

open, refreshing, vulnerable. I mean, come on. A vulnerability piece is super, super important and authentic piece. So that's what I think she should do. I love that. I think that's great advice. That is, that's amazing. Okay, here is another one. Matt from Tampa, Florida. We're going all around, all over the map. I've been single for six years at having fun, months ago. I got laid off my job. Now money's become tight. I want to keep dating, but I can't wine and dine women right now. What are some cheaper options I can try for dates that will still be enjoyable? Oh, go to Trader Joe's, get a bottle of wine, get some cool glasses, go to the beach and have a cocktail like that. Easy. I want to do that. Right? Easy. I love that. And the truth is

is a girl a girl who only wants to be you know taken to like the fanciest place is not his girl anyways he needs a girl who wants to go do cool step it doesn't cost money like go pick apples right i love that yeah and then you're doing something together and like the apples fall and then there's like a funny you know now you have like a story like i like i like that farmer's market date apple picking pumpkin patch um i like the wine idea at the beach that's so good and by the way frugers has great wine too i mean it's so good it's so easy or you can go to beverages and more and get like like on sale buy one get too free or something right it's so easy i love that all right so mac good luck with that we were rooting for you okay here's jill from norco

california my husband of three years is getting remarried and so pissed off i haven't had a serious relationship since I were divorced. He found someone right away, being single sucks. What can I do for myself that will make me feel confident being in the dating scene? Oh, let me tell you. I love this question. Okay, she's got to get less angry. Okay. She has to

clean up how she's feeling on the inside. So the energy that she is giving off will be open and inviting and warm to people that she wants to go on date to it. Because right there, you're reading this. She actually needs to probably do a drug journey and do a

roto-rooter of how she's feeling on the inside. And the minute she, like, cleans all that up, she'll be fine. She's got to stop focusing on his backyard and worry about our own. Love that. We, she goes for it. I totally agree. And I also think that, like, one thing that happens with a lot of women is that when they do, when they do, when they're going to a breakup, they cut their hair. Do not cut your hair. Color your hair. Like, go blonde her, go brunette, like Carrie Bradshaw did. But do not cut your hair. She looks great. She never looks better.

Yeah. Game changer, her hair color. Yeah. Pam Anderson also looks great. Yeah. But yeah, do not cut your hair. That's like an absolute no. Okay, Shannon from Boise, Idaho.

I'm on my third marriage, and I finally found my person. I'm 63, and my husband and I have a healthy sex life. Okay. Get it. I know. I'm like, whoa. Okay, but it feels very routine and boring. Oh.

Okay. How can I make it more interesting and how can I talk about it with him? without hurting his feelings. First of all, it's all about presentation. She has to say, like, how amazing that at 63, we're still having sex, like, regularly. Then she should say, how fun would it be? I can wear a wig, sexy underwear.

You know, we can go, you know, somewhere, like, public. I mean, are you, the fact that she comes from the place of saying, like, we're winning. Like, at 63, we want to have sex still. The world is our oyster. Wait, public, like in the, like at a public bathroom? Why, go, you make a bucket list. That's hot.

Seriously. Go to a beat. I mean, we used to do it on trips in high school and Hawaii when it was dark on a beach to knock it out. Like, they can do it too. Dead. Right? Go to a park.

Like, it's so fun. Good for them. I mean, honestly, good for them. I know. I'm like, what is she complaining about? She's having a good time. She just used to spice it up. Does he even need Viagra?

I mean, come on. This is amazing. I think people get rested, though. when there aren't parps having sex, so I don't know if there should be doing it. I don't know. I mean, I think this world is so uptight.

So I think they just need to go have fun. You know, or do it in a car. Seriously, do it in a car. Go park on a street after dinner. I mean, there's so many fun things to do.

Everybody, we got a lighten up. Lift your leg, honey. We got to lighten up, right? Do something out of the box. If you want change, be changed. Oh.

Oh. Oh, mic drop, Louise. I love that. We've covered so much today, Louise. Thank you. We always do. We always have the best time together. I love seeing you.

I love hearing where you are in your life. And you're always bringing such a unique and cool perspective to these conversations. And thank you for sending in those questions. Do you have a question you want us to answer? Then the podcast is for you. So call us or email us all. All the information is in the show notes. Follow us on socials and make sure you rate and review the podcast.

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