The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - RHOC Jennifer Pedranti and fiancé Ryan Reveal if Divorce is Easier Than Real Housewives

Episode Date: December 13, 2025

RHOC Jennifer Pedranti and her fiancé Ryan, are opening up about marrying young, divorce, and how to blend families. This couple gives sound advice to how they navigated dating while having 7 kids between them!Email us at: [e-mail] or call us at 844-4-I Do Pod (844-443-6763)Follow I Do, Part 2 on Instagram and TikTokSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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the Real Housewives of Orange County. It is Jen pedantry and Ryan. Hi, guys. Hi. What's happening, Jen? How are you? So you guys, listeners should know that these are actually my friends. We have been out to dinner. My husband, Jeff, just adores Ryan. We all adore Jen. I'm happy to have you because I know it's been very hard to book you guys you have been busy well no listen i've been wanting to do this with you because one you are my girlfriend i love doing this stuff with you um and two we've not been able to make it work so i'm so happy to be here with you today jen agreed i know it's hard also when you're filming um all right my friend so i know you know already what this podcast is about but we're really talking we talk to people who are on their part two or three or four or five um you know i have

shared with you guys, I'm sort of on my part two. Jeff and I were separated for like a year and a half. And I consider this a part two. And I know that both of you are on your part two. Ryan, I believe you have been married before. I know you have two kids, right? Yes, I was married for 18 years. Okay. Wow. Okay. Yes. A long time. Jen, how long were you married? I was married like 21 years. 21. Yeah, a long time. You guys, before we sort of jump into the two of you, and I don't want to be too intrusive, but can you tell me a little bit about, well, Ryan, first you, because I don't think the viewers really got to know too much about your first marriage, a little bit about, I don't know,

how that was, and not too much, but... Before he says anything, can I tell you something? You can tell me anything. You're never too intrusive, and we would share anything. Yeah, ask all the question. Ask away. I love you guys. Thank you.

I'll be sorry you said that. Not really. My first wife, I believe I about Jen. Yes. I met her in high school. Going into freshman year of high school, we started dating. Ended up married at 20. That's not even high school.

Going into freshman year, almost like middle school. Yes. We met essentially in middle school started dating. We dated on and off all the way till I was 23 and we got married. At 23. 23. Yeah, I think married to 23, my first son, who's now 22. when I was 25, and then my daughter a year later, and she's a 20-year-old.

That's so crazy to me, only because I have a 23-year-old daughter. I just can't even imagine that. But listen, and I was married a little bit late. All right, so you were married a long time, which I don't know if that was part of it, getting married so young. I do hear that story sometimes. People change. Things change. tell me a little bit maybe about the marriage and when it stopped working you know

Heather who's my ex is an amazing woman and I'm so grateful for the mom that she is and the way I'm not just I'm sorry but what a lovely fabulous thing to say I just I mean truly for someone who has kids being a father the world kind of revolves around the kids and co-parenting so being on part two and being able to co-parent and a the most healthy possible way it hasn't always been easy but to sit where we sit now is a gift but i will say you mentioned a jen when you meet someone at i don't know 13 years old um a lot changes from you know 13 to then married at 23 and divorced at 40 yeah so a lot changes i do take um full responsibility for the decline of my marriage full responsibility i do is anyone fully is anyone fully responsible

that's generous i think no i don't think i don't think anyone is fully right because everything If you have two people involved, there's, you know, two personalities and two different people. But the reason my marriage failed ultimately was because of me. I agree. So I take full responsibility. Should I, could I say, Heather, my ex could have done this or that? At the end of the day, it's on me. I can't help but just that just I find that so, well, honest, of course, but admirable.

Well, thank you. I'm not saying it to be admirable. I'm just saying. I understand that. I understand that. And I would say this, looking back now in 49, so looking through a different lens, looking back nine years ago saying when the divorce failed, I don't know if I sat down at 40 with you, if I would say that.

But truly, it's how I feel now looking back through the lens I look through being a little bit more responsible and mature. It fell on my shoulders. And that's okay. And I'm super grateful, Jen knows this super. honest and transparent with my kids. So we have the real conversations as to why it failed because they're in, just like you said,

your daughter, they're getting to the ages where my son has been dating his girlfriend for six years and could be and might be in that position in next year or so. So I have these very open dialogue conversations with both of them. It's interesting because when I went on Jersey, my kids, so this is now, God,

five years ago or something, but, you know, we had a lot of family meetings about it. But also, you know, they at their age know that, you know, obviously they were there when their father and I separated, but also they knew that there was infidelity. And, I mean, we did, we got back together, but I don't remember ever really feeling with them that, like, ashamed of it in the sense that, like,

I know a lot of parents are, but I felt like, you know, I am at that point, I was an adult. It was my journey and my path, and it turned out well, and it wasn't really about them. A lot of people don't feel that way, right? Wow, you felt like that, Jen? You felt like I was opposite you. I was the one that felt the guilt.

Like, you know, I'm like Ryan, I'm very transparent with my kids as well. But there was almost like for me, like a scarlet letter kind of. Like, I felt like as a mom, I'm not supposed to do those types of things. And I've let all of these kids down by that behavior of mine. So that's interesting. Let me, maybe part of my attitude is because we both were unfaithful. Yeah, okay. So I don't know about Will.

And by the way, you guys, for all you listeners, my husband, Jeff, and knows actually Jen's ex-Will. They've done, I guess they've been in business, not in business together, but they got to know each other because of their... you know, respected businesses, which is so, which is so strange. Crazy. It is crazy. It is. He always says the nicest things about Will and Will has always said the nicest things as well. So. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm going to jump ahead of myself. I feel like even you Jen have said really nice things about Will. And I know that Ryan, you've had a relationship with him where it feels like you've been very respectful of him. I know there are issues. I watch the show. So I get that. but yeah with in terms of like the infidelity i guess because it was both of us i felt like it was

between us when they got older you know what i was i felt guilty about was the separation right yeah right just and i don't know if guilt is the word i mean i was both my parents combination of seven marriages between them and i kind of thought divorce came with the territory a little bit but then watching my kids when jeff moved out was really way harder than i expected but but But, and, you know, people have all kinds of feelings about it. It was a sad time. For sure. But, you know, we do what we need to do.

I mean, look at you guys now. And there's something to be said for that. There is something to be said for that. And we have some friends who are currently going, like, starting this whole process. And it's interesting because, like, Ryan and I always say it's not like we're some divorce advocates. Like, if you can do what you guys did and put it back together and find happiness and keep the family unit one, my gosh, that not an easier path because nobody's kidding themselves like the second time around it's not it's not easy now i will say for me jen like i know now the things that i let go for so many years in my marriage

that i never stood up for i never voiced or i didn't have an expectation on my husband he doesn't get away with any of that now and vice versa like it's kind of like this is my second go around at this so it's either you're going to work and and what doesn't work we're going to figure it out or this doesn't work. I just, I don't know. Yeah. I have to tell you, like, I know you, so, you know, not just as a viewer, but as a friend, but I don't know that that comes across on the show. You know, I don't know. What do you think, Ryan? I don't, I don't think it does. I think they, you know, not, I'm not talking about editing, but I think she's always kind of like the deer in headlights, if it's relationships. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I mean, I just, I feel like that

piece of it that you learn you live you learn you grow but that piece of your relationship where you're not taking shit you know is so important and different and you know but I think I'm sounding like I'm some baller not that you not that you give her any shit Ryan no he gives me shit and I give him shit too Jen like yeah and here's the other thing I want to say it's not that um I left this horrific marriage and now I found the most perfect person in the world listen every relationship comes with their quirks, their hangups. So it's like finding the person that their hangups are okay for you or he's willing to work through it with me.

Like my ex-husband, I had zero communication. I couldn't get Will to have a conversation with me to save my life. This guy, I'm like, but I'm not done talking, but I'm not done. Wait, hold on. I have one more question. And I drive him a little bananas with it, but he knows that's kind of a thing for me. And he is naturally a communicator. So it works so much better.

It's not that it's perfect. It's that I have the ability to communicate and inside this dynamic with Ryan. Yeah. And also I feel like Ryan, you are a communicator. Like at least that's again. Well, I know you are, but that's how I feel like viewers feel.

Like you do like to communicate, like to sort of work things through, have some kind of, you're in touch with your emotional side and I want to say you're a feminine side, but you're just, you seem like that guy to me. Like you are.

I appreciate you saying that. And I can say that probably wasn't, that probably wasn't true in my 30s until I got divorced. A lot changed after that. A lot of self-introspection changed who I wanted to be. Jen knows this. I think the former me, I would say,

and I know that sounds weird. I was wearing a mask. at all times, just trying to be a people pleaser, being kind of that yes, that yes guy. And it was at 40 with a divorce where I just said, I just want to be better, a better version of me. I want to be more authentic. I want to be honest in all aspects in my life. And I didn't know that was possible.

And then meeting Jen and having the ability to communicate. I know everyone says this. Everyone hears and everyone says relationships are work. I actually feel like, and this isn't lip service, my relationship or the one that I'm in with Jen is not work. Because work is something like you go punch a time card, and I never feel I'm doing that, even if it's the moments where Jen wants to over-communicate or, you know, sometimes I just beat something till there's nothing left to talk about. I still don't find it work. I'm so great. That's such an interesting point, because guess what?

As you're saying that, I'm thinking, I don't find it work. Oh, I love that. But, you know, we've all heard it. not we don't fight. I'm not saying we don't have hard moments. I'm not saying he doesn't frustrate the shit out of me and certainly I do him. But I don't know. I don't think of it like that either. Yeah, but we've all heard it, right? Relationships are work. Marriage is work. I am so grateful to sit here this second go around and say it's not work. I also didn't know, and this is something I learned about me along the way, not a knock on my first wife, Heather,

but just more about learning me. I didn't think it was possible to be in a relationship with your actual best friend. I used to do boys trips and do all the, you know, my first phone call was to my buddies. And probably the first three phone calls would be to my buddies versus my ex-wife. My first phone call now, good, bad, indifferent, in the middle. My first opportunity to spend time is with Jen. And I'm so grateful for that. and the fact that we're able to do it with our schedules, with seven kids,

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I like spending time with him. Like, I really respect him and I really like him. And of course, I love him as well. And I think that's like what you're describing, wanting to spend time with Jeff, with Jeff, I'm sorry, with Jen. But enjoying that time. You know, I am getting to the point in my life where I just, I can't stand most people. So, which, you know, I can't, I can barely have people come and spend the night in my house anymore. Like, I just, I have no, or stay in people's homes when I travel.

Right. I can do all of that with Jeff. And we are, you know, we're just symbiotic. I mean, we are a man and wife or husband and wife, excuse me. But also just I enjoy him. I enjoy his company, which is such a pleasure, you know. It's so funny for Ryan, because I'm sure through the show, people have seen or made the assumption like before me Ryan had this big past you know and his big past was chasing women and

sunshine and vacation and you know all his all his past girlfriends and whatever and it's so funny because it's so cute to me now because he tells me all the time like you're my best friend like you're you're the whole like you're everything like everything's in you and I'm like I know babe you're that for me too but he had like he said he had the ex-wife then he had his guy friends and then he had the girls he would chase but I know him. so well. He was just chasing and filling voids when really the boyd he was really chasing after was figuring out him. Like, who was he? Who's Ryan? Who's the whole Ryan? And he'll tell me all the time, like, you're home. Like, he always tells me, like, you're home for me. And, and I know

that. Yeah. And that's how it feels, right? I know that. Yes. Is how it feels. Do you guys ever go through, do either one of you have, do therapy at all? Oh my God, we love therapy. We love it. We love therapy. It's actually my therapist who would say you're chasing ghosts. Like what you're doing. Right. You come in here and you have the highs and the lows.

But at the end of the day, take a look in the mirror. It's you. And number two, what you're chasing is a ghost. Wow. Does she mean it when you were chasing women or just? Chasing everything. Chasing everything. A new car, you know, and whatever it is, sometimes as males and they call it, you know,

what do they call it when we go through a midlife crisis or what you know, You start like, it's just amazing when someone can sit down and you mentioned it earlier, Jen, and I'm grateful that I have a very spiritual side and a faith-based side that I can sit down with my therapist. So I respect in that way. Jen does too. We're the same one. And she can say, it's you, buddy. Look in the mirror.

You're the problem. And those. No. When you're in position to hear it and it actually moves the meter in your own like soul and you're like, I want to be different. It just changes a lot of things. I hope that next season you guys get to showcase some of this because it's so, I mean, maybe I, it's because I love you, but it's just, it's so endearing, you know, I love, I love just hearing about this and these parts of your relationship as opposed to, I don't know, whatever other mess. It's funny when you talk about the spark, I feel like people look at Ryan and I, like, it's like some sexual thing constantly. with Ryan and I. And don't kid yourself. I have that with with him. But, and it is different,

I think, for men and women. But like what you're saying, Jen, like my spark is to be five years in with this man and I'm safe. And what he tells me he does. Like, if Ryan tells me something's going to happen, I know that that's accurate. I'm safe. That's so important, Jen, what you just said. That is. I know. Be able to count on him like that. I know it is. Yes. I still appreciate that to this day that I know no matter what I can count on Jeff Vessler I listen I have a lot of friends who have been divorced and they speak to that right like how important that is that you know I remember when Jeff and I first got together so silly but we were engaged and I had moved to his place in Jersey and I just started a new job and he said to me like at the beginning of the day he's like

well you know I'll take you I'll show you where to catch the bus or whatever and I remember thinking in my head for some reason he's not going to remember to do that like most boyfriends I'd had really give a shit right and I just I always think like when I'm talking about this I remember at the end of day and it was late like we've been out all day it was like seven o'clock and he's like all right let's go by and I just silly things like that that always stick with me if Jeff says he's going to do something he just does it period and I appreciate that and I feel like for women that translates in my marriage to my husband at first like it was intimacy was used to like just get attention from him then i got so mad that like we would have intimacy but no time together um then i

would be like okay i don't even now because what you say doesn't happen we're never together i don't feel it being intimate with you and i would say to anybody that's on number two or number three or number 10 do what you say say what you mean and put the time in because now it's like i i've I can't believe I'm five years and I still have butterflies. But it's not just the sexual side of it. It's the man. It's who he is with me, with my kids.

I look at him and I'm like, oh my gosh, that's all mine. And I'm not talking about the man sitting poolside and his board short taught as hell to me. I'm talking about the man in my home. Yeah, and I feel like for women,

there's the spark, right? Like you want to light a spark, like do something and say what you do or do what you say. She is going to be like, I'm that, that is mine. Like, that's all.

that to my kids. I tell that specifically to my daughter. Like, yes, you're going to fall with your heart and with your body. Yeah. You've got to just try if you can at this young age to not be completely controlled by that, to think. Right. And my grandmother used to say to me all the time, he doesn't have to be rich. He has to be ambitious. He doesn't have to be, I don't know, a million things like that that I always took with me. I try to sort of, you know, give my kids those same values. Anyway, not about me. Moving on, since we're talking about 10 million kids between you, how did the mix go,

guys, like from the beginning? Well, go ahead. We were just talking about it yesterday to a friend who, the one Jen mentioned, who's going through divorce right now. I think it was so organic. We let it be organic. So there was no forcing it. It was kind of like the kids.

knew about Ryan. Ryan's kids knew about me. And then there was never like a we are going to dinner and you guys are going to meet. And I have five. Ryan has two. So it was a weird. One would be kind of ready and then that would be like a hang out with with that. And it took time though, Jen. And there's this one trip when my daughter was on board, ready to go, loved him. And it was our first travel trip together. And we went to Vegas with my daughter, her girlfriend. And And I remember Ryan when we were holding hands and walking down Vegas, my daughter shut down. Like, that was it. And so that trip took a turn.

We didn't anticipate. So it was a lot of me with Evie, a lot of talking with her. I think it was the realization of seeing mom, not with dad, but seeing mom like with Ryan. Like, I'm holding Ryan's hand. I'm walking with Ryan. And that was emotional for her. And I just think the best thing, my advice is you've got to let the kids feel what they feel. There's no way to make it right when it's wrong.

There's no way to make them, you just have to let it be. And they do come around. I mean, we were faced with early on Jen, Will set the kids down. He was like, this is who took your mom. This is, he's a bad man. And you told me, you said, it's hurt from, Will's just hurt. And this is what he's, that's okay. He's just hurt right now.

And we're going to keep showing up for these kids. They'll see it. And I'm telling you, it just took the time. And they do. I would say for me, it was more of like a three-pronged approach. My two kids at the time Jen entered my life, I'm now four years divorced. So my kids were ready and open for dad to meet somebody. Jen's kids met me at a time where total transparency.

It was chaos because Jen left her marriage and went right to me. So the kids didn't have this buffer time of, hey, mom and dad had been separated, divorce for a year or two and now mom met somebody there was not that so i think first prong would be my kids were open ready and it was so easy for my kids and jenn and i right and then jen's youngest two at the time geez dom's 11 now so it was five and eddie is uh 15 she was like nine they were much more easy and open and it was her older boys um i think boys in general but their ages made that a little bit more, that runway a little bit longer for them to who is this guy, what's he here for? And I can respect that. So I think in the three prong approach, we just let it

continue to unfold without having any, you know, expectation or timelines. And it's been, it worked in our favor. May 24th, 1990, a pipe bomb explodes in the front seat of environmental activist Judy Barry's car. I knew it was a bomb the second that it exploded. I felt it ripped through me with just a force more powerful and terrible than anything that I could describe. In season two of Rip Current, we ask, who tried to kill Judy Barry and why?

She received death threats before the bombing. She received more threats after the bombing. The man and woman who were heard had planned to lead a summer of militant protest against logging practices in Northern California. They were climbing trees and they were sabotaging logging equipment in the woods. The timber industry, I mean, it was the number one industry in the area, but more than it was the culture. It was the way of life.

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Listen to Hungry for History as part of the My Cultura Podcast Network, available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I said earlier that I don't feel guilty to my kids about the internet. infidalities. I feel guilty, though, about some of the ways in which I handled them when we were separated because I had a boyfriend and he became part of the household. And I definitely looking back, have guilt about that for allowing that, even though, and my kids were really young and, well, like seven and nine, so not quite as young as yours. But so they really didn't even have, I don't think like the wherewithal to say we don't like this, right? But I should have had the wherewithal to say, this needs more time to breathe.

And I got very wrapped up in this boyfriend and it wasn't not blaming him, but we moved very quickly into this thing. And so I don't have, like I said, guilt, I do have guilt, not, you know, not when it comes to maybe some of the infidelities and things that happen between me and Jeff. I feel like they're between me and Jeff. But the things that, I guess, affected my kids, I do. And I get that, Jen, you're not alone because I made mistakes in that area as well. I think mom guilt is like such a thing. I still do it. I just told him yesterday.

I used to be like the Christmas mom. I mean, freaking Miss Claws here. Now I can see that. Stress around money. Is it enough? Is it the Christmases they used to have? I mom guilt myself, like, where I just want the holidays done because I need to know it was enough that they're happy and they felt like it was Christmas.

damn it and I did enough but I don't know why we do that Jen like I can mom guilt myself over anything and I feel like I want to that is something I want to get better at because I know you and I know me we're damn good moms yeah and I don't know why we do that I don't feel like men do that as much as women do like dad guilt is not a thing no not not like that Jeff Fessler is as perfect a father as I could have ever hoped for and I am not a perfect mother so you know it's like I try, I think to myself, I can't imagine him. I try to guilt him sometimes, but he has nothing to do feel. No, he just has nothing to feel guilty about, but I make plenty of mistakes and have

had plenty of guilt as a mom, you know, over them. I know that that, you're right, that is, that is so, so common, Jen. I look at you and I think, you must be, and I see it on TV, but the most loving, devoted mother, just the whole way you have about you. and I see it in your relationships with your kids on TV. So interesting. And I had a mother who, listen, she had a lot to deal with. And it wasn't great in my house growing up.

And my therapist always says to me, it's not very easy to break the, it certainly is very difficult to break patterns. And I do know that I've been a very good mom. And I know that it was without really working hard on myself, I wouldn't have been the mom that I've been. But I've been in therapy for so many years. And it's helped me so much. And I think that specifically, I speak so much about my kids in therapy. And I get so much great feedback. And that has really helped me.

But with all of that, Jen, you're right. We all have mom guilt. And Ryan, I would think you have some dad guilt. I mean. Oh, definitely. Especially in the beginning, right? Because I was the doer. I'm the one that wanted the divorce.

I definitely had some guilt. I think fast forward now, and this is the great part about you can attest to this gym with your kids being the ages they are. They're now at ages where we're parents and we're friends. Yeah. And I enjoy my kids so much. They actually, I want to go to dinner with my kids. Where before it's like, we've got to take the kids to dinner and feed them.

Now it's like, you know, we want them when we get to bring them with us, the older ones, especially just because the dialogue and communication is different. My kids would sit here with us today and have told us, I can't even imagine you and mom being together. You're so different as people. Mom's great in her way and you're great in your way. but I can't even imagine, and they were old enough when we were obviously together, they just can't see it. So it's cool that they can mature through it.

And that erodes some of the guilt that we may put on ourselves when the kids can say, oh, mom's so happy. Mom's doing great. I couldn't even imagine you a mom together, that type of thing. Ah, I totally can imagine that that's such a relief. It's so interesting because even like in this Ryan, you're so honest, like when they were younger, it was like, I'd take kids out to dinner. Yeah, I mean, exactly, right?

That is the truth of it. And it is. I mean, I said to Rachel, my daughter yesterday, I'm like, I can't, we like opened a bottle of wine. I'm like, every time I feel like, like I'm drinking wine and front. And then I'm like, wait a second. It's fine. Yeah, it's incredible. We also smoked pot for the first time together.

So that was actually. Oh, my gosh. That's hilarious. Yeah, I shouldn't have admitted that on the pod. But anyway, anyway, anyway, I wish I really do that we had seen more of you with, Ryan, with your relationship with your kids on the show. I don't know if they are, maybe they're not interested in being on it. No, you know, so my son is a senior in college. So he's not, you know, we film or Jen typically films from, let's call it, February to May.

And he's in school, so he's not here. And then my daughter, 20 years old, has a full-time job. So it's tough, both of them would be interested if they were here. Yeah, just tough schedule-wise to get seven kids, hey, we're filming it this time with their lives in school and everything else. Like mine, see, this is the different. friends, Jen. With mine, I can tell Harrison who's at USC. They need to see you. Like, I need to film with you. So you have to pick a weekend and come home because they, you know, producers or whatever will say like, you know, see Harrison. What's that a person? But when it comes to his kids,

I do still feel like there's like a fine line and a boundary that I need to respect as stepmom that his kids have lives and my job is not their job. Right. And so we did have a couple times they didn't show it but um we had a great couple of like the whole all the kids oh my god it was like the best morning and everybody was here so it has happened a couple times it just didn't you know how things get cut yeah of course course so i mean heather and heather is okay with it you're excellent with it yeah i mean like i said we're just in different places and stages um so yeah she's in full support of the kids being a part of it if they want to be a part of it and she also knows the kids are strong enough to say, yeah, I don't really want to, I don't want to be a part of it or not today for whatever reason.

Yeah. A lot of respect that. Yeah. And Will, Jen is, he's been okay with it? Well, he doesn't have a choice, Jen. I mean, I don't think Will. I need to make the money, right. I need to make the money. And so I think Will understands, like, in the position he's in right now that he's not being able to support the way he anticipated. So I think he has no say to be like, I don't want you doing this, you know, because, you know, knows that's what provides for the kids and I. So he doesn't say anything. He, he, honestly, you know, it would be so cool and I've thought about this. I wish he, they would build. Like, I am so open. I would love to be like, you know, Will has this new dynamic in his life with, with his

new girlfriend, or not new, but they've been together. And we'll talk about it. Like, I see who I was married to and then I see this man with his girlfriend. I'm like, wow, no wonder we didn't work. You know, you can, that person in that new relationship. and the way their dynamics are and the way our dynamics work. It's so weird to think that Will and I tried for so long to make it work. And I wish we could all be way more friendlier and open than it's been.

To me, I hate this on my side. Jen, the co-parenting has sucked, like big time. And his wife or whatever she is, I've known her for years. Really? Yeah, this was a girl that I just loved to pieces and she's got four kids. Do I remember that? Did you talk about that on the show? Yeah, we talked about it.

It sounds familiar. Okay. So it's so sad and so weird. Like, why can't, like, they're so happy. We're so happy. My gosh, looks like I'll do this together. I'm making a prediction. Remember I said this. I am predicting that the four of you are going to be friends,

whatever that looks like. I can see it coming because of who the two of you are. And maybe even the six of you. Wait, does Heather have a boyfriend? He does. Uh-huh. She's sad for maybe four or five years. His name's Ryan, too.

Are you serious? And do you guys, you're all get along and, Jen, of course you do, right? On our side, we get around when I say my side. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's coming. I feel like you're, I know, but I feel like it's coming. How were you able to not discuss the issues about money with the kids or did it just? No, I tell them. They know. You did. Yeah. In the beginning, you shielded them.

No, no, no, in the beginning. But now it's very, we're just very open. Listen, I'm not trash talking their father. And when I talk to. I know you wouldn't. about it. I talk about dad's in a spot. Dad, dad's in a spot. Dad's not able to commit to what he needs to right now. So we're not doing Chick-fil-A five times this week. Or, you know, Grayson will be like, I need gas. And he'll say, do you want me to ask dad? And I always say, sure, try dad. But if it doesn't work, you know, come, you know, to come to us. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, you guys. So I have definitely been hitting you with a lot of questions. I'm sorry. I have a lot more. So we are going to have to come back with a part two.

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