The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - S2. #1 "Bachelors in Paradise"

Episode Date: August 16, 2017

Ben and Ashley break down the beginning of B.I.P. Dean joins them to dish on the shutdown scandal...plus all signs are pointing to himas the next bachelor! What can he tell us? Ben gives him Bachelor tips just in case! All that plus inside dirt...the lowdown on Robby's hair...and who is the mysterious Ben Z? Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcast with IHartRadio. Hey, everybody. Ashley I's voice is going to sound a little different for a while because I have a very special co-host, the Deaner, the Deity, baby. Hey, how are you, Ben? Man, you did so good last time we had to have you back. I'm flattered. Thank you so much for having me back. But I feel very special because I get to be your co-host this time. at least for a while. I hear a rumor that Ashley jumped on a plane to fly back

because she had to be in studio with you. She could not be away from you for too much longer. It's pretty lonely in here without her, so, yeah. Well, Dean, thanks for joining us, man. We had a crazy Bachelor in Paradise premiere last night, and it's good that you're around because I feel like if anybody would know what went down, it could be somebody that was there.

Dean, I just want to jump into it and hear your kind of recap of last night, or I guess, I just want to hear your recap, I guess, of the premiere episode of Bachelor in Paradise. I liked it. I thought that it encompassed the early relationships pretty well, and obviously there's a lot of drama around the whole Corinne DeMario thing, and they showed a lot of footage from that. So, you know, I thought overall it was a good episode. So that, I mean, I guess that's been the hot topic, right? I mean, everybody's talking about it, everybody has been talking about it, made national news. You know, outside of the actual event that took place, from your perspective, while you were there in paradise, and the cameras kind of went down, what were you thinking? Did you know what was going on?

They didn't really give us much information about what was going on. They just said that there was an incident, and then they would be delaying filming for the time being. And we pretty much went about our lives living on the island there in paradise for, you know, the next three days. Doing what? Were you allowed to talk to each other? Yeah, I mean, of course. We were basically, we were hanging out normally just without cameras while they were figuring out what they wanted to do about everything. So, I mean, so you were in the same place that we're seeing on TV there.

I haven't been down there. So you're on that little, in that little, I don't know, hut area thing. And no cameras around. So you were literally living in paradise with no pressure. Yeah, no pressure. And it was interesting, too, because what we won't be able to see is a lot of those relationships continue to grow while the cameras were gone, right? So, you know, there's going to be probably about a 10-day period that we won't see when we all come back for, I don't know if it's episode two or episode three or which one it is, but a lot of the relationships and the friendships, romantic ones, what have it, are going to be much closer than they were before we left. I mean, that's a great thing to bring up to all the listeners then. So the fans of Bachelor in Paradise are going to see the resuming of Paradise, right? where the cameras come back in and all of you kind of gather together again.

And what the viewer needs to understand is that for three days, there were no stresses, no cameras. And so people were just building relationships and starting to talk to each other, maybe more than they would if cameras were around. Well, three days there. And then I think it was maybe like seven days when we were all basically flown back to our homes and then eventually flown back to Mexico. So, you know, there was basically a week, 10 days where we're all essentially in a group chat

talking pretty much every single day. obviously relying on each other for support and updating with each other if we hear anything. So it was a lot of back and forth that pretty much all of the cast members had with each other. So that's sort of interesting. So you could really develop a relationship with somebody you just met or a friendship during that off time. Yeah. And it's so much more of a real life scenario too. I mean, you know, obviously when you're on Paradise or The Bachelor, Bachelorette, you don't really have the opportunity to see how someone, I guess, acts when you're not immediately in front of them.

It's always just face-to-face interaction. but this is more of like a real world setting of this is how I act with them, you know, when we're halfway across the country, whatever it is. I mean, I guess so how many of these relationships that we're going to see coming up throughout the season really started to block them in this little period of time? There are quite a few of them. I mean, I can't put a specific number on it, but I would say almost majority of them were influenced by it.

Wow. I mean, that's, what a unique situation? I mean, I always kind of feel, as I'm thinking about this, that's not a bad format for the show in general, right? Like, bring in the cameras, introduce everybody, you know, get everybody kind of comfortable, then everybody leave and give these people two or three days just to kind of invest into each other without any cameras around. And then we'll come back in and kind of catch back up with their stories. Do you think that's a good format to maybe keep in the in the future? It's definitely interesting. It's definitely like the most unique, I guess, in a situation in the Bachelor franchise, at least in Paradise up until this point.

So, I mean, it's going to be interesting to see how it plays out. I guess it's kind of still early to make that judgment. But it definitely influenced things quite a bit. Dean, did you have a relationship continue throughout these couple days? Yes, I did. Okay, because, I mean, I saw a little meme of you sitting on the beach all alone playing with sand. And as somebody, I think you're great. And from everything I hear, which is a lot from Ashley, and I guess our producer, Amy, there, you seem like an awesome dude.

And I was looking at these memes and I was sad for a second. I was thinking, poor Dean is just chilling on the beach all alone now. No, I think the point that I was hanging out by myself, I was like the only guy on the island or on the beach and there was like four girls and they were having their girl time. And I was just going to go play in the sand for a little bit by myself and like let them have their girl time. I love that. You know, one thing I want to ask you about because people kind of forget, but when I was on The Bachelorette, I was 25. And everybody criticized me for being young, right?

he's too young to do this, he's not really ready, he's not interested, he's just doing this for kicks and giggles. And I knew, you know, that wasn't the case. I was ready. So you and I can relate in that level. Now I'm 28, so you can see how much of my life has been consumed with The Bachelor, and you better be careful, because this could be you soon. But I want to hear your thoughts. So at 25, you're sitting on the beach, were you ready to kind of find a relationship in Paradise? Yeah, I wanted to be able to jump in head first. And I mean, funny enough, that is kind of what happened. So I think that everyone that was there was ready and willing for that. It just obviously happened for some people and not so much for others. Yeah. I think you're right. I mean, I think that's always good to kind of protect yourself there and make sure people know, like, you're not doing this just for fun. Because a lot of this isn't just fun, right? I mean, a lot of it is hard work. And it's a lot of this downtime. It's a lot of plenty.

in the sand and it's good to know that you went there for the right reasons yeah i mean as much as it kind of stinks to say some of the most stressful moments of my life have happened over the past four or five months when i've been filming the show so there are obviously a lot of fun moments that have have taken place both during and after but um it's it's definitely a give and take i want to ask quickly about the shutdown so what we saw on the first episode was very dramatic like they the girls were like what happening and like all that so what really happened like Like, if you could just describe for a minute, was there a buzz? Did you know Corinne and DeMario had been pulled away?

I mean, what I know is pretty much what everyone knows. I wasn't there for any of the interactions between them, so I can't really speculate too much. But, I mean, when the shutdown happened, when they turned the cameras off, Corinne and DeMario were removed. So it was basically all of the original cast members minus those two. And, you know, of course, we could circulate rumors amongst the group, but none of us really knew exactly what happened. And that's another thing, too.

You know, during the shutdown, some of us spoke with Mario, some of us spoke with Corinne, and we've got both sides of that story. And obviously, there's a lot of press about it. So it's nice to be able to see, I guess, it all played back because this is my first time seeing it with my own eyes. Yeah. Do you think the way you viewed it last night, because this is a lot of questions that I'm getting sent in through email from listeners, do you feel like the way it was shown last

night was appropriate and kind of done similar to how it really happened in real life? Or were there things edited out? Were there things over-dramatized? I mean, as... Was it, I correct portrayal last night? Yeah, as far as I observed, I think that they displayed it pretty well. Again, I'm not sure if they're leaving anything out or added anything extra, but from what I saw, it seemed to be pretty harmless.

And, yeah, I mean, again, I'm kind of in the same boat as you guys in terms of what I know just from what I saw. Well, that's it. I mean, that's totally fine. That's an interesting perspective, that you were there. You were a part of everything. that you didn't, and that still you didn't know. I mean, that wasn't affecting every moment every day until really the shutdown, right?

No, not at all. And I think the night of the shutdown, I was removed from the group as well. I think I pulled Christina aside and I guess noted how stressful it must be for her. And so I gave her like an hour-long massage in the privacy of like one of the cabanas. Oh, my God. Dean, why do you get it? Dean. Dean.

Man. Well, here's a problem, Dean. You're kind of in a place right now. Not a problem. I'm jealous, honestly. You can do no wrong. So you announcing to the public that you just gave Christine an hour-long massage because it must have been stressful. It's about as charming. And every woman out there listen to this podcast is just melting right now because an idea of an hour-long dean massage is a dream. I was doing it for selfish reasons. I just wanted to get one back eventually. And did that happen? Unfortunately, no. When everybody came down the stairs, did she sort of, was she the one that you liked right away? I was definitely the most struck by her beauty the first time she came down the stairs. I think that she has a really fun personality too, and that as time wore on that first

day, I began to get to see that. It's funny, too, because I was drinking quite, I mean, not quite a bit, but I was definitely like having fun with my friends. And then I realized that she wasn't drinking very much. And when I began to realize that her and I had a spark, I was like, all right, I need to tone it back, keep drinking water, and kind of like focusing on this. So you're, I mean, you're ready to sacrifice your funds to kind of get to get the know-Kristina a little better. Absolutely. Oh, man.

This is going to be a fun storyline to see played out through the whole season. I'm not going to really pressure you to answer because I want to watch as a fan and as a friend and kind of see where this goes. and I honestly don't know. But I could tell after last night's episode, there was something there that was special. Not just with you, but with a couple of the couples there. And just on a scale of one to ten,

how much love was there in paradise this year? Compared to previous seasons, I guess, is the only way we can really do it. I would say maybe like a seven. I will say, there was a lot of love last season. And that's the only season I watched. So it's basically the only one.

I'm comparing it too. But I think the last season had a little bit more love than this one. Well, yeah, and this is kind of something I want to start talking about at the beginning of this podcast, considering this is season one of Bachelor in Paradise, almost famous, episode one. So the shutdown happened, the filming schedule or the amount of time that you're on the island is shortened, did that negatively affect anything or did it affect the relationships at all or do you feel like people just kind of got right back up and going?

Wait, the shutdown, you mean? Yeah, after the shutdown, filming was kind of condensed, right? I mean, you were pretty rushed. You're only there a few more weeks. Do you think that affected the situation? Yeah, I see what you're saying. So maybe the shutdown kind of eliminated a few rows. Ceremonies obviously eliminated a few days that we could spend with each other,

and people were probably trying to expedite their relationships a little bit more than they would be otherwise. It definitely changed things. And again, I don't have anything to compare it to, but you could definitely feel the tension in the air, maybe among the people that were less solidified in their relationships that they felt like the time was dwindling down and they had to, you know, make some moves. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so I guess I'm watching the preview, Dean, and I'm a little bit of a pessimist because

I live in, I've lived in this world for a while, and I get asked the question all the time, how can somebody fall in love in such a short period of time? And I can say, well, and I know from experience, it can happen. I don't know the psychology around it. I don't know the science around it, but it can happen, right? and I'm watching the preview for Paradise this year and there are a lot of tears and I was honestly surprised

because I expected this to be just more of a all fun in games, everybody goes, has a good time, you know, spends time on the beach and they get back and they come back to the real world and if they want to pursue relations they do but it seems emotional. I mean, this season is going to be emotional, isn't it?

Well, I mean, I was expecting that too. I was expecting to go to the beach and have fun with my friends, maybe, you know, obviously meet a cool girl but I'm not sure if you noticed in that preview, I was sobbing kind of a lot. I have been there, man. Don't worry about it.

Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, as you're well aware, you know, you develop feelings much quicker sometimes than you ever expect to. And when things don't necessarily go the way that you want them to, it can be pretty upsetting. Yeah, I mean, what, I guess what is it? What is it about, in your opinion, Bachelor or Bachelor in Paradise, that kind of allows feelings to be wide open like this? It allows feelings to happen quicker than the real world.

Well, what do you think? I mean, because obviously all you're really doing is, you know, you're interviewing with people talking about these people constantly. There's no distractions that the real world typically has for you. So, I mean, what do you think? I think those are probably the main ones for me. You just kind of immerse yourself in this environment and you allow yourself to be, you know, obviously fully open and susceptible to the feelings that you have. But normally you have these other distractions that kind of allow you to focus on something else. Yeah.

No, I think you hit it spot on. I've always, when I think about it, I've always said it's the elimination of distractions. And so maybe it's a good lesson for the real life is as you pursue somebody or as you are trying to meet that person that you could spend the rest of your life with, it's important to try to eliminate as many distractions as possible so that you can really focus on the relationship. I think that's it. I mean, when you're the bachelor or bachelor or when you're in Bachelor in Paradise, you really only have one responsibility.

And that's not to fall in love. It's to pursue people at the best of your ability and to see if there's a connection. And I think that's a really, I mean, that's what I've always said. It's a really good opportunity for anybody to participate in as long as it's done well and with the right intention. Vee, I don't know, do you know about Fad Fit Fund? Tell me about it. So Fad Fit Fun is this box, okay? It's a box full of a ton of goodies.

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Well, here's a deal. What in the world? I know. I'm sorry. We're going to solve it. But here's the thing, Ashley, is I replace myself with Dean, which I know is an upgrade for you. So you have Dean fitting next to you now. And I'm just going to continue to be far, far away and allow this relationship to blossom between the two of you. Oh, my gosh. Well, we see each other enough that I don't need him taking your spot here at I heart. Last night, I want to tell all the listeners out there, last night we were Dean, Amy, Ashley, and myself run a text thread during Perry. paradise. And, uh, and it kind of hit me that, you know, I still, I've talked about this before. I closed my eyes during most makeup, makeout scenes because I get really, really just feeling awkward. And then this is a joke, right? And then the only person that I watch was Dean's makeout scene because I needed to get some pointers because Ashley talked so highly at Dean that I

figure he's just a good kisser, um, which, which brings me to a listener email that we're going to fill in real quick. We have to talk about it. We have a listener email that we'll do listener emails later as well. But this listener email says, ask just pretty directly, Dean, if Ashley I confessed her love for you, would you be interested?

Like, does that mean that I have confessed love for Dean in other places? No, no, this is an email, Ashley. We can shut this down right now with an answer here. But then it follows up with,

have you and Ashley I kissed before, which I know the answer to this. But I think we should. clear this up before we get started for the rest of the podcast. What do you mean, you know the answer? Well, you haven't kissed, I don't think. I don't know. Revealing stuff like that would be a huge spoiler, so we're not going to talk about it.

Oh, my gosh. Now things are getting crazy. Let's move on this. We're not going to get an answer from these two. So we're going to talk about last next episode. I have a couple bullet points from our text thread last night that I would like to talk about. Okay. I'm going to start out there and throw one out there at you.

Your hobby pair. Let's talk about it. It's perfectly manicured at all times. I didn't think it was that bad at first when you guys were texting, and then I started seeing it from different angles, and I was like, oh, okay, there's a piece of his hair that is significantly longer than the rest of his hair, and he brushes it back on that one side. Do you think he's receding more on one side? I can't really say much about it because I think my hair looks really weird. Your hair looks beautiful.

I buzzed all of it off the other day, partly because I thought it looked very weird. mad at that so i i mean i can understand robbie's uh decision with what he's doing well i need your advice uh from a woman's perspective how does he never cut your hair that's my advice what's the process of getting your hair to look like that you think is it is it natural is there like i mean is there a straight iron is it a lot of gel how does how does that happen i don't think he uses anything like that i'm sure he uses a lot of gel to keep it in place but i definitely don't think he needs a flat iron. I mean, I don't know.

Let's talk to Dean. I have no clue. Because Dean was in the bathroom with him. You guys all share a bathroom. Did he have any special tools? So there were two separate rooms. I did not room with Robbie. I cannot speak objectively about his hair products or hair grooming routine.

I did laugh out loud at Daniel Malpsey's comment about the flat iron last night because I started looking at it. I was like, yeah, I can see him using a flat iron. But I will say that I didn't see any of those products or, you know, utensils in the bathrooms whenever I was around. Would you have used them if you could have? Dean, I mean, you could learn a thing or two. I could learn a lot.

I mean, out of interest, I'll try anything once if it could drastically improve my hair. I don't see why not. Yeah, I mean, Joe Jonas used to use a hair straightener all at time, and that was the peak of my obsession with him. Oh, well, if we could all be Joe Jonas. So, continue with the Robbie conversation. Dean, what do you think of Robbie's app? They're fantastic.

They're pretty, they're something. You put us all to shame the second he walked onto that beach. I'm not like somebody who's like really into abs or anything. Like that's not going to make or break a guy for me for sure. But the thing about Robbie's abs are they're fascinating to look at because they're actually a doll's abs. Like they don't look real. Like you know how Emma Stone says that about Ryan Gosling and crazy stupid love? She's like, you look Photoshop.

Like when I look at Robbie, I'm like, no, that's actually Photoshop. Ben, do you have abs? Yeah. No. Come on. Do you have abs? I don't have abs either. So, hey, we're in the same boat.

Do girls love abs? I don't really give a flying F. What do you, you know, you know? I don't know. I mean, that's good for us, Ben. Why not? Yeah. I don't really care.

I mean, as long as you don't have a beer belly, as long as you don't look fat, then you're good. I'm more into arms. I think arms are sexy. Yeah. What is it? The triceps or the biceps? Both of them?

To be honest, I think there's something very sexy about a guy's forearms. I think it's an understated part of them. Hands are a big thing. But, yeah, your tricep is important because it shows how easy it's going to be to pick us up. Oh, my gosh. That's true. Dean, we've got to keep taking notes here. I mean, that's one of the things I've been using Ashley, I for it, on this podcast,

is to get some good advice for me personally. And so if it's about the biceps, the triceps, and the forearm, You better believe I'm hitting the gym this afternoon. Noted. Noted. I'm definitely taking notes right now. Yeah, no. His arm looks really good, just for all you ladies out there wondering.

Dean, I have a question that I think a lot of guys probably struggle with on the show. And I know I did. And it brings up a topic. So you're on the beach, right? And, dude, you're in shape. You look good. You're fine. But I'm not the most ripped man out there either.

Do you get self-conscious being on this beach with a bunch of people that are just absolutely jacked out of their mind? Kind of, but not really. So there's no real, like, gym you could work out at. a lot of the guys like worked out every morning on the beach like lifting rocks and stuff and I was just like you know what I'm just going to I'm just going to live my life those guys are literally insane I used to look at them Nick used to do it a lot of the other guys used to do it and I used to look at all because part of it was their bodies look great the other part of it was like their dedication to working out in the I don't know it probably feels like 110 it's very hot and humid yeah it's like guys just get back into shape when you get home I don't think your muscles are going to disintegrate within 16 days that that was my take on it I was like this is a is my flabby body. You can take it for what it is. If you love it, you love it. If you hate it, you hate it. But here, I'm just like, I'm sitting here and I'm like, kind of in shock. I just don't understand why bodies are that important to you guys as long as you're healthy and like you, you don't work out every day. You look great. I don't, any girl doesn't need more

than this. Considering what I eat on a daily basis, I'm incredibly lucky to not be overweight. Me too. I mean, so that's a good point. So being fit is important on all of these years. I think it's obvious. And our listeners love hearing the behind the scenes of the show. And I think one thing that is not shown often is how much like workouts are done with very little weight or very little tools in the downtime. So yeah, there's rock workouts. There's a bunch of squats going on. There's running up and down the beach so that everybody can look their best for each other. And also because this will be, you know, viewed on national television. Do you know what I find, oh, wait, can I just say this? You know what I find way more attractive

a guy who's going to sit there and eat with me there, that's it. I'd much rather you eat with me than like work out. Ashley, you're the best. One guy that is you know, one guy that is absolutely Jack, because he was on my season

or I guess Caitlin's season, The Bachelor and the season I was a part of, is Ben Zorn. And Ben Zorn last night has this obsession with his dog, right? We're watching this show and all he wants to talk about is his dog. Dean, is this How it was going down in real life? Like, is Zorn only talking about his pup?

He didn't only talk about Zeus, but his dog is incredibly adorable. I don't know if you follow him on social media or anything like that, but every time he posts a picture of it, I'm all over it. So, I mean, he has every right to be obsessed with his dog. He's a handsome little fellow. But, no, I mean, there were definitely obviously a lot more conversations had that weren't necessarily about just the dog. Ben's a great guy. I was actually just with him this past weekend up in San Francisco.

So we'll be seeing a lot of him. I was on I'm on another text He said hey I just want to give you full warning like You're going to get made fun of on the podcast Because the only thing you talked about was your dog And I got to talk about that because I mean Ben is a great guy I love Ben he's been a good friend since since the season of bachelor But was he on

How do we know Ben's season? He was on Caitlin season he came in what 6th 7th and you guys If you didn't know how high edited his conversation with Raven was when he first walked into paradise like you're an idiot I'm sorry it was like they showed her face responding and then they would clip right over to him cut right over to him and then he'd be talking about his dog and they cut and cut you have to look for for scenes where you see going from one face to another without a two shot so explain to us

who don't know what are you saying that they weren't really talking to each other no I'm saying they totally were talking to each other but her facial expression isn't matching what he's saying And if some guy was talking to me about his dog, I'd be like all in. And that would be a red flag if the girl wasn't. I will say that 99% of mine and Ben's conversations at Paradise were concerning dogs. And I mean, most of it was because of me. A lot of it was because of him. But I wouldn't have it any other way.

Yeah, I mean, I talk about my dog like a good, you know, 10% of the day. So they can make that into an entire storyline. Well, I think we all know Ben Zorn is a great guy. and I think it was just something funny to bring up because edited or not, it's still funny and it's still entertaining to watch. And I was watching it last night laughing because he is a friend. And I could just imagine that he was going to take a lot of heat for speaking about his dog more than anything else. So we have a guy last night, and we kind of had to explain who Ben Zorn was,

because it's been a few years since we've been on The Bachelorette. We have a guy last night that I had no clue who he was. And I guess he's nicknamed Santa Claus for whatever reason. but he's hammered last night I mean he's drunk he can't function who is Santa Claus actually Santa Claus was what I don't know somebody on

Jojo season he may have eliminated 1112 somewhere in there Dean do you know him what's that guy's story well I met him for the first time at Paradise I mean you're not wrong Ben he definitely drank quite a bit that first night but I think he realized that he needs to tone it back a little

bit in the coming episodes you'll see a little bit more sober version of him he seemed like he was actually really into jasmine i mean yeah he he very much was i think that he she was his focus and priority the entire time he was in paradise which you really have to respect you know someone coming down and and focusing solely on one person beforehand oh well yeah i mean yeah i mean to have the fortitude to go through with something like that um i think that a lot of people went in with an open mindset and nick was one of the few that uh really was really wanted to dial in on someone. So where does that, like, is that a common, or where does, I guess, what does the connection come from then? So Nick comes in knowing that he wants to talk to

Jasmine. Does that happen way before Bachelor in Paradise? Do you think he just saw her on Nick's season of the Bachelor and thought from that moment on, I want to get to know this woman? That's a great question, Ben, because when I was watching this with my sister Lauren, she said it seems like these two have talked prior. What do you think, Dean? I could see that. Part of what I really wanted to do before going in as well, and I feel like I keep talking about myself. No, you're supposed to supposed to. We want you to. I made a concerted effort to not talk to any of the women before I went on the show because I wanted to go in with a very blank canvas, I guess, an open mindset to meet every single one of them. Is that why you talked to me for advice? Because you knew I was safe.

Well, I knew you weren't going this year. Yeah. And it was basically just advice stuff. But yeah, I mean, it seems like they might have talked beforehand. I didn't hear anything of that, but I definitely wouldn't be surprised if they had. You're such a good boy. You just followed all the rules and that's how you don't get in trouble i follow the rules probably no actually i don't want to say that but in regard to the bachelor stuff i want to have as pure and as real of an experience as i can so i definitely don't want to uh i don't know break form speaking of pure form um i know ben z hasn't done at the past two years because honestly he's just been kind of uh he's been very chatty with the girls coming off the past two seasons so i think this season he was like oh i'm not going to talk to

these girls and I'm going to go into paradise and meet them for real the first time there. Did he tell you anything about that? No, this is my first time hearing about it. Oh, it's juicy. Coming off of Ben's season, Ben, were you aware of this? I might have been. I'm spilling a lot of tea right here, I know, but you know, that's what we do. We're a podcast. We're supposed to entertain people with gossip. No, you know what? No, I was

aware of it, actually, and because I am friends with Ben and the techster that I'm on with a bunch of bachelor people, you know, obviously make fun of each other for everything we choose to do in life. And so, So one of the things was making fun of Ben Zorn for, you know, kind of talking to the girls that would come off past season. And I don't, I mean, knowing Ben, his intentions with that were probably really good. He just wanted to get to know these women. I don't know if he ever went on date or if anything was ever, if there was any ever action taken place from him talking to these women.

But I was very familiar and very aware with the fact that Ben was talking to women that came off past seasons. I'm curious to know who it was. Oh, I can run down. I actually don't know that. I don't know that. Ashley, you have any insight into that? From your season, I know that he was, like, talking to Lauren Himmel, Leah Block, basically anyone from your 10 to 4? Well, I mean, that's an interesting thing for us to talk to listeners about.

Vaccination is very closely connected. So it's a very risky move, too, I think, on anybody's part to start talking to people from past seasons or multiple people from past seasons. Because just like the three of us know, everybody's going to find out about it, like, very quickly. Ben, there were some crazy rumors going on at Shabby's wedding about you and I. What were the rumors, actually? I don't even know if I can say it for our PG podcast. They said she was doing dirty stuff to you. Ashley, is that true?

Well, that's the rumor. It's true that there's a rumor and we obviously can clear up here that, no, there is nothing going on. I have never been kissed, Ben. How come you answer that question like that, and you answer the question about me and you so much more... Because Ben and I are professional partners. We would never cross that line. Okay, okay.

And the intrigue, Dean. I just, I can't wait for the headline tomorrow to be Ashley. I won't answer the question about Dean. This is going to be great. This is so entertaining. No, everybody. We've said it many times. We'll keep saying again, I absolutely love Ashley.

She is one of the best. people I know, but there is nothing romantic going on. We are really good partners in this podcast and friends, and that's why working together with her has been so much fun. It's because she really is a friend of me outside of this podcast. I also confide in her about small things, little things. She knows a lot about me. And so, no, there's nothing romantic going on. So let's the rumors keep spreading. I guess any publicity is good publicity. That's what I think. That's why I'm not answering any other questions. Let's give him something to talk about.

Yeah, but as far as you and Dean, we're just going to leave it out there and leave it ambiguous because who knows what happened there. Speaking of being ambiguous, this has nothing to do with that. Okay, Dean and Ashley,

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would, of course, be flattered to be presented an opportunity like that. I know I said I'm publicly supporting Peter for Bachelor if he so chooses to have that position. But again, I would never say no to an opportunity, especially of that magnitude for right away. I would definitely have to consider it quite a bit. People really want you to do it. And I mean that. I think that's got to be a good feeling. I know that the process of kind of prepping to be the bachelor or before even they ask you to be the bachelor,

one of the things I was most worried about was the scrutiny that entails. But people are huge fans of you, D. And they really want to see you find somebody. but they also just want to see more of you as a person, which has got to be a great compliment to you, and hopefully that makes you feel good. One of my, I guess one of my concerns going into this when I was going to be the baxter was, you know,

what does it look like at the end? Would I propose or not if I was in love? And my question to you is, if you find yourself in love at the end of this, would you propose to somebody? So what was your, I guess, thought going into it? My thought was, honestly, when I went into being a bachelor, I was very confident with the idea that I could walk out of it just dating somebody or being in a relationship. I was actually feeling very confident about that idea because it's kind of, I would say, I don't know, I'm not going to choose my words very carefully here, but it scared me that I could be engaged at the end of the bachelor with somebody that I didn't really know. And that ended up not being the case for me, right?

I feel like I knew Lauren well. And so all those fears kind of subsided after more and more time together. But it was a huge concern and one that I feel like every bachelor should consider. I told Nick the same thing. I said, don't feel like you're going to be the bachelor and that you have to propose at the end. But sometimes it is an expectation. And I guess, Dean, my question to you is, could you handle that expectation? I guess I definitely could see myself proposing to someone after eight or nine weeks.

I don't think I would have gone on The Bachelor, had I not been able to see that within myself. I would kind of go in it with the same mentality as you where it would be a different season of sorts. You know, it would be obviously, in my opinion, maybe a little bit more high energy, a little bit more fun, just focus more on fun and the romance side of things instead of focusing so heavily on the engagement itself. But as you just mentioned, I think you put yourself through that process and by the end of it, you're in a complete different position than you kind of thought you were going to be in. I think it's kind of lame that in this age of The Bachelor, you're so shamed if you don't propose at the end. Like the last person that didn't propose was Juan Pablo. And then, of course, at the beginning of the franchise, it wasn't so much a must. Why does the audience just force the proposal? Well, I think you guys mentioned that Juan Pablo was under a bit of scrutiny

for not proposing. But I think Ben mentioned once before that there were other reasons for that. of other people who haven't proposed though when the show's past and somehow we've gotten to this age where you just have to propose or people hate you. I think it took a turn this season because it switched because people think she should have stayed with Peter despite his not

wanting to propose and they're ripping on Rachel and Brian because that proposal was like the lamest proposal in the history of forever so I think it's making a turn could be. Well the challenging thing is it's like regardless of what the lead does there will be people thinking it was right and people thinking it was wrong.

So there's basically no winning everyone. I think with Dean as Bachelor, people do just want to watch you and look at your cute smiley face and your eyes and just see your interaction, like your cute self. I don't really know if they'd super care. I think people would get annoyed by me in a week. No way. That's just my opinion. Well, I do.

Ben, do you have another question for Dean? go ahead okay well Dean you also are just like well like I just said the sweetest so my question for you is how could you possibly deal with 25 girls in breaking up with 24 of them possibly

that sounds miserable yeah you just don't like breaking up with people in general you sometimes ghost them you have a hard time with like but it's like out of the sweetness of your heart that you have a hard time with it because you don't want to hurt anyone so you try to avoid

hurting people as best as you can, but in this scenario, you're going to have to hurt 24 girls. Ben, is there any easy way to do that? No, no, there's not. I mean, that was my next question, Dean, was, you know, are you, I mean, it sounds like you've got a great head on your shoulders, and you understand that you're never going to make everybody happy. You're going to try really hard to treat these women fairly, and from out and I know about you, you would do that.

There's no easy way to go through this experience and not be emotionally connected to the women that are involved. And, Dean, your biggest asset, and maybe the one thing that will be, you know, make the Bachelor being the hardest for you, if that happens for you, will be your heart. It's going to get torn up in a thousand different directions. You know, one thing that I would like to tell you is, you know, the crazy part about The Bachelor is you're literally breaking up with everyone. You have very little things to celebrate until the very last day is when you can get down on one knee or, Or if you walk out of it happy with somebody else, you can say, hey, we did it. And I love you.

But for most of the experience, it's a lot of a lot of heartache. And are you ready for that? Could anyone ever be ready to that? Yeah, that's a great point. Could anyone ever really be ready for that? Like you said, it's basically nine weeks of heartache and hardships for one, obviously, grandiose celebration at the end. But I don't think anyone's really ready for it.

It's just a situation of, if you want to be put in that situation, right? That is the question. I don't know. Just something you'd have to think about. What concerns you? As you sit here now and say, say, I'm the bachelor. And I say, Dean, I want to ask you to consider this.

What's the thought process in summary that you would have to go through? Like, what are some of the things that concern you or the things that would make you excited? Well, I guess to answer you, well, can we flip it back on? you, what were some of your biggest concerns going into it? Because again, I have to be perfectly honest with you, I haven't really given it serious consideration. I've never really considered myself to be... Think about it right now. I mean, if the bachelor would come to you and say, Dean, we want you to consider this because this is how it will happen if it does go down, right? They called me. They said, Ben, we want you to consider this. You have X amount of days to process through these

and right away. I know as soon as they asked me, my mind started twirling. And I can tell you that some of the stuff I thought within those first two minutes after they asked me were the things that were the biggest issues to me later on. So as I asked you that, and you'd have to start thinking about it, what would be some of the stuff that comes to your mind? I guess, did they, was there like a contractual obligation for you to walk away from that with a proposal? I would assume not, but...

No, no, no, not at all. I mean... I don't know, my mind's just working like a million minds a second right now. Can I ask a question that may easily bring him to this? You've got to have him answer this. Okay. He's got to answer it. I think it boils back down to, as you alluded to initially as well, you're under a lot of scrutiny.

And regardless of what you do, whether you think it's right or wrong, people are going to find the wrong in it. And I think that I handle scrutiny well, but I still let it affect me way more than I want it to. And I think at the end of the day, that would be maybe the biggest hurdle for me to overcome. All right. As a girl, I need to ask you this. Being your age is not that huge of a deal because you're 26 and Ben was 26 when he was the bachelor, but I want you to really think about this. If you were the bachelor and you're supposed to be on the search for your forever one, are you sure you're ready to not be with anybody else for the rest of your life, especially given the temptation that comes along with the bachelor? Like, you're going to be such a sex symbol.

Like, why would you want to settle down at that point? I think that's, I think that's kind of ridiculous to even think about. I don't really have an interest in pursuing 20 different women outside of the show. I mean, not even on the show, really, but like I would like to go on a show. I would like to find a relationship that can allow me to be with that person for the rest of my life. I'm not interested in going out and playing a bunch of women and hooking up with as many people as possible. So to be able to go on and find someone that I can spend the rest of my life with, I think, is obviously the purest joy that you come from that. That's not really an interest of mine, honestly.

to play this. Let's make this easy on you now. We've just hounded you. I honestly, I just wanted to hear your thoughts because I wouldn't be surprised of at some point in your life. You're going to be asked a similar question to why I just ask you.

Dude, you're a good dude. If I can do it, you can do it. You're going to be fine. There is scrutiny. You know it going into it. At the end of it, it can be one of the most beautiful moments of your life. The experience itself is not easy.

It's hard. And it is. I will never claim that. It can be fun at times, but it's really hard. but it is worth it because you learn a lot about yourself and you learn a lot about a bunch of other people. And if you're as lucky as I was, you have a lot of great women that invest a lot of their time and take a lot of their time out of their life to come try to meet you.

So, man, if they ask you, I just encourage you to think through it, but know that you can do it and you can do it really well. You can do it a lot better than I did. And honestly, I think there's a great couple guys that they're considering and I'm excited to see who they choose. in my opinion I feel like us here collectively we just may have crowned Dean the next bachelor so Dean do you wear contacts

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Here's the deal. We're going to take some callers. Do you have any callers in the line? Yes, we have Emily in Indiana. Hi, oh my gosh. Hi, how are you? What up? I'm so good.

I'm actually a boiler maker. I know. I shouldn't have said that. You're going to hang up on me. Emily, do you have a question about Bachelor in Paradise? I do. I have a question for Dean. I've heard Ashley on her podcast talk a lot about the behind the scenes for the girls. And I kind of wondered how it was comparably with the guys like sleeping arrangements, showering, or like obviously you don't have a bunch of makeup sitting around. So was it as uncomfortable and everything? I didn't mind it. So as Ashley mentioned earlier in the podcast, I actually reached out to her for some advice before heading into Paradise.

And she had mentioned how rough the living conditions down there are. The guy's rooms, there's two rooms. There's probably like six beds in each, maybe eight, one bathroom for each. And I mean, I honestly didn't mind it. It gets kind of messy. I mean, myself particularly, I just kind of had my clothes wherever they fell. but it wasn't an issue ever like everyone was able to shower on time no one was ever like really waiting for a bathroom it was basically just like you're living in a bunk bed with you know five other guys for it's like summer camp i've never been to summer camp i imagine what it is like and the thing is it's a lot easier for guys and it is for girls the girls actually have their own dressing room um for all our clothes and all our makeup they have vanities and lights and all that i mean i enjoy it too like i wake up like say like 7.30 a.m. and I look over and I see like Diggy is still sleeping in

his bed so I'm like, all right, I can still sleep for a little bit longer. So it's nice to be able to have your friends around and we really didn't have any issues with it. At least I didn't personally. Yeah, very cool. Thank you so much. Thank you, Emily. Great question. Now we have Vanessa on the phone in Ontario, Canada. Hey, Vanessa. Oh my God. Hi, Ashley. Hi. How you doing? Is Dean there? She's here. Oh, my God. I love you. How are you? Hi.

Good. How are you? I'm good. Thank you for asking. And hi, Ben. I love you, too. Don't worry about you. I let you guys talk. Do you have a question about Paradise? I do. I do. So I was just wondering, obviously this question's freaking, but when Corinne made her welcome speech

and you kind of gave a little bit of a look in the episode, I was wondering if that was the editing or if you actually had a little bit of an issue with her welcoming. Um, that was the editing, wasn't it? That was the idea. No, I don't know. I don't want to say, I wouldn't ever say I have an issue with Corinne. I think that her speech was a little bit, I want to use the word narcissistic. Welcome me to paradise.

And that's just not really my style. So I rolled my eyes a little bit. And it was just purely reactionary. I didn't realize it until watching it back. I thought I was hysterical. Also, amen. But no, the limited time I spent with Corinch, she seems like. a sweet girl. It was just that

moment. I was like, okay, here we go. Just that first moment. I'm afraid talking. That was a great question. Oh, thank you. I love you guys so much. I actually watch all your, or listen, I should say to all your podcasts. I don't even know when I'm saying, and I'm so nervous. Oh, well, thank you.

Thank you for calling, Vanessa. And you guys... Oh, be sobering. Shameless plug. That is the I don't get a podcast he's referring to, and I actually had Jared Wells and Cupcake on this week. were talking about things that they don't get about dating. She should go check that out.

But now we have Megan in Boston calling. Hi. Hi, Megan. It's Ashley. How are you doing? Hi, Ashley. I'm good. How are you? Good.

What's your question for Dean? Oh, my question was actually for Ben. There it is. Of course, the one time I thought it was for Dean. Everybody forget about me and I'm sitting back here just waiting. Oh, I would never forget about you, Ben. What's going on? Well, my question was, I was,

wondering if you would ever consider going to Bachelor in Paradise? Yeah, Bed and Paradise. You know, I don't think so. I'm not against it, and I do enjoy watching it. It just doesn't, when I watch it, it kind of gives me anxiety. I think for a couple reasons, right? You know, it's a lot of fun, and it's very kind of free-spirited, and I'm just, I really am not that kind, I'm not good at dating in that way. I'm much more. just kind of one-on-one traditionalist, even though I did The Bachelor. But I don't think so. However, you know, kind of like my answer last week for being the Bachelor again,

was you can never close a door to a possibility or to an opportunity. And so if there was somebody from a past season that I had my eye on or that I was really interested in meeting and I didn't know any other way to meet them outside of Paradise, then I think the risk would be worth it. You could see me going there, but it would have to take the right person. and I don't think I would go unless I knew that there was somebody that was going to be there that I really wanted to meet. Got it.

Oh, my gosh. That's a good question, though. That was a good question. Well, thank you for the question. It really was a good one. We joke about it a lot, but it is one now that I probably, I guess, again, could consider. But right now, I just don't think it's an possibility. Yeah.

It would be awesome if we could see you again. Well, we'll see. I guess I have Dean for Constellation for now. I'll take a consolation prize. What about, hey, Ben, what about Winter Games? Good question, Dean. I have no clue what Winter Games even is. So I don't know if they do.

But if Winter Games is a cool concept and it seems fun and then, yeah, I definitely think I would do it. But we'll have to wait and see. I would have to kind of hear what it is first. Yeah, I agree. I think Winter Games would be fun. it sounds like it's going to be more of like a competition aspect than a actually i'm not i've never realized yeah but being a colorado guy i'm sure you could be interested in doing something

like that so that'd be cool yeah man well i hope maybe i could see you there um finally we could meet in person yeah that'd be great one of these days we're in honduras so all right you guys we got to go on to caroline in pennsylvania hello hi welcome to the almost famous podcast hey guys what's up how are you? We're great. What is your question? My question is how you guys feel about the rule that Wells is not going to be dating anybody and is solely going to be bartending? Well, when I first heard that Wells was going to be the bartender, I definitely thought that was just their way to make his entrance into Paradise and then people would start dating the bartender.

I don't think that's actually going to happen. He was pretty firm on that yesterday. I know Amanda was a little disappointed and if I hadn't dated him previously and I was part of this cast then I also would have been very disappointed. Uh-huh. I bet. Dean, can you give us any little scoop?

What about you, Ben? What do you think? Dean, you're going to ask me quite. I like this. Thank you. I don't know. I mean, Wells is a very thought after man. I mean, I think Wells is such a good dude. He's funny. He's good looking. I can see him being something that the women really like to get to enjoy or get to know there.

But it's also, I think, a cool element to have him as a bartender because it does kind of separate and give him a perspective now where he can speak to each person or each couple individually with a little bit of better perspective than maybe the former bartender could. I want to know that was he a good bartender? I will say that I definitely confided in Wells quite a bit in regard to relationship issues. So it was great to have a familiar perspective there

I guess we just have to wait and find out If he goes on any dates or not He's got a smile on like maybe he does I always have a smile on You do So there has to be like somebody left river for the rest I'm telling you that's what I tweeted yesterday I was like I don't know how any of these girls are looking at anyone

Other than Dean What do you guys think about Wells for Bachelor? No Wells for Bachelor I think he'd be a good one Would you do it? I don't know you guys obviously know him you think you would be up for that? I mean, I don't see why not. Yeah, I think he'd be great when he's not talking about it.

Like, didn't he definitely wouldn't be... Wasn't he dating like four or five girls at the same time in Paradise last year? He was a Bachelor in Paradise. He was the Bachelor in Paradise. He went on three dates. Um, yeah. Yeah. We'll stick with Peter for now.

I think we stick with Dean or Peter. Um... I'm all aboard either of the... Every time I see you, Dean, I like you more and more. I think you and Ben, like, such great guys. That's incredibly sweet of you to say. Thank you so much. I'm surrounded by wonderful men at all times.

Yeah, I'm so jealous of you. You are living your best life right now. It really makes guys that are outside the Bachelor family, like, crap. I'm sorry. It's like, it's hurting me, too, and I'm not even in, like, the Bachelor world. I feel like, like, Dean or Ben, like, no. not good enough. No, honestly, like, every time I go on a date, I'm like, I think I'm just going to continue

to date inside the franchise. They're screen for me. They're beautiful and they have wonderful souls. I mean, yeah, how can you go wrong with that? I agree. All right. We've got to move on now. All right.

Well, thanks, guys. It was great talking to you. Good talking to you. Hey, Dean, do you remember last time you were here, we were talking about how you were going to get some blue apron sent to your door and you were going to cook? And Amy was a little afraid because she was like, I'm. I'm not going to let a guy who doesn't wash his hands cook. I said, I trust it.

So tell us how did it go. Yeah, so I got three meals delivered to my house. And for Amy's sake, I did wash my hands when I was preparing the meals. They were great. I mean, there was fish, there was chicken. They were all delicious. So I have two roommates, and I sent three meals. So I cooked three meals.

All tasted delicious. Yeah, so Blue Apron has established. partnerships with over 150 local farms, fisheries, and ranchers across the U.S., leading to more seafood sourced sustainably through standards developed in partnership with the Monterey Bay Aquarium Seafood Watch, beef, chicken, and pork coming from responsibly raised animals, which I love. Produce is sourced from farms that practice regenerative farming because Blue Apron ships, the exact amount of each ingredient required for a recipe. They are reducing food waste.

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There are a couple rooms that have like a curtain and I don't know, Dean. I've never been in that room. Well, Kayla. I did share a boom boom room, but there was no boom booming Because it is the one there's I think there's two of them And sometimes I I personally am a very big fan of cuddling And they were There were several occasions where we would go in and snuggle

I mean of course I can't speak to the show itself I'm sure Ben Ken I would imagine there's more in paradise than there is on the Bachelor Bachelorette just because there's more couples I can clarify this there is more sex that's going on in Paradise they're just doing it all the time. I can say that I had as much sex on Paradise as I did on the

Bachelorette. So I was just I had like two questions like are you guys allowed to stay the night together like from first night on or is it just like the boom boom room? So in Paradise you can sleep wherever you want whenever you want with whomever you want there was a rule post

break that you had to both consent on camera before going in and that was just for the show's purposes they wanted to ensure that you know no one was doing anything against their will on a sad note usually at the end of every paradise season I'm the only girl sleeping in

the girls room by myself and everybody else is coupled up in other beds throughout the resort that's awesome that's sad but okay thanks thank you thank you I'm great love you guys

Dean I mean you're gonna have to get used to these kind of questions I have a feeling that questions more intense than that are going to be in your future very soon. You're going to have to know how to answer them. Which also is a good reason to keep your morals and values in check throughout all these experiences because if you don't want to have to lie and you don't want to have to skirt around issues, then you might as well hold yourself to a standard that's above approach. So I thought it was a great question.

If you never lie, you never have to remember anything, right? That's the quote. Although whenever Ashley is sitting next to me, she'll be sure to put me on blast at any given moment. So that's right. Hey, that's the journalist in me. I think Dean is actually pissed at me for the first time in his life. No, that's okay. Hey, relationships have that.

And it actually brings us into our last segment, which is listeners emails. And if Dean is mad at you or not, this is a great question for that. This is from Karen. Karen is from Canada. And she says, I'm 23. And I've been dating my boyfriend for almost four years. Throughout our whole relationship, we have never fought at all, which is a good sign for the two of you as you sit in studio together.

I've always been pretty proud of this, and so my girlfriend started saying this is a red flag, and fighting is essential to keep a relationship strong. They want to know your thoughts. So, Dean, because you may be a little frustrated with Ashley right now, is this a good thing or a bad thing for your relationship? I think that the fact that Karen has been dating her boyfriend for four years and had zero fights with him, I think that's a great sign.

I think that's amazing. I think that your friends wanting to say those are red flags, maybe because they've been in relationships that have out our arguments and I don't know. I think that any relationship that you can be constantly happy in is a good thing. I agree. Are those friends jealous or something? Could be jealousy. That's weird.

It's not a red flag. I mean, a little argument here or there. That's healthy. But no fights? That's not necessary. Hey, guys, just the closes up here, Dean. I have one final question for me from Kinsey from Utah. If Rachel and Brian break up, Dean, would you try to date Rachel again?

I don't even want to consider that as a hypothetical. I wish nothing but the best for them and I don't even want to consider answering that question. Perfect. Well, you know what? So does the Almost Famous Podcast. We hope the best for Rachel and Brian. They seem to be doing really well. Dean, we hope the best for you. Thank you

for joining us today on the Almost Famous Podcast. Dean, we're going to teach you something real quick, okay? I'm going to close us out how we do. I say this is the Almost Famous Podcast. I've been Ben. Dean, who have you been? I've been Dean. And I've been Ashley. Hey, thanks

to join us today. We'll talk to you very, very soon for more Bachelor in Paradise Insight. Talk you later. Bye. Bye. Follow the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcast on IHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.