The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - S2 #4 Dean’s Disaster

Episode Date: August 31, 2017

Dean’s lips get him in trouble again...Find out where Ben and Ashley side on him kissing Danielle in front of Kristina. Ben deconstructs the Ticklemonster in a round of “Who The Heck Are You?” Plus, does Jasmine’s behavior warrant the title of “bully”? We break it all down, including the question on everybody’s mind…”What’s the deal with Jack Stone?!” Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast with IHartRadio. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, everybody. I'm Ben. Woboom, I'm Ashley. Oh, no. Ashley, wait, Ashley, try again. We cannot start a podcast with Wabooom. That's retired and out and no longer everybody talked about. It sounded like that's what you were going with. No, no. I just say hi, Ashley, please. I just need to get that out of my memory.

Hi, I'm Ashley. Perfect. How about we start talking about last night's episode? I think we have to start off talking about Dean. Everybody knows them, friends with him, and I don't care, but I have to say that there's nothing about his behavior last night that I can defend or condone. Wow, really? What about it? I just think it was just sleazy and completely insensitive and thoughtless to be hooking up with a girl.

in public, in a pool, in front of the face of the girl who you slept with the night before. Yeah. I was watching this whole episode, Ashley, and I was jotting down my notes, which I usually do. And I actually wrote, and I don't know how this will come off, but I wrote this episode of Paradise was extra sexual, not just because of the scenes of people hooking up, but because of the connotations and the verbiage and the words. being used to kind of explain sex, right? I mean, through this, through this podcast, I think we're going to talk a lot today about virgin shaming, which is a topic that you tweeted out about, about the same thing.

You just talked about how Dean hooked up with a girl right after hooking up with Christina and how that fits in the paradise, and is that acceptable in paradise? Is it totally non-acceptable in paradise or not? I mean, there's a lot of themes going on in this episode that I thought really stood out to me, and Dean's was definitely one. one of the ones that was hardest for me to watch. Not only because they black boxed his crotch the whole episode. I mean, the guy was walking around with a tent.

I mean, it seemed like it. Every time I'd see the guy, it was black box. I didn't notice other than that one time where they woke up in the boom boom room. No, I mean, because then at the very end of the episode, remember, she like, truth or dared him? Oh, the one that she was trying to get up with his mind. Yeah, Monday night's an episode. She truth or dare him. And she said, I truth or dare you something.

And then they bleeped it out. And the next thing you know, he's closing his. his eyes thinking about dirty thoughts so he can, you know, arouse himself. Yeah. He failed or he lost it. Yeah, I mean, Ashley, you'll be able to answer this better than I can. Is it acceptable in paradise? Let's take maybe sex out of the equation for a second here to hook up with somebody.

So you're making out with somebody and then a couple hours later make out with somebody else in front of that person. Is that an acceptable act in paradise? I wouldn't think that's an acceptable act anywhere in life. I would agree, but Paradise is different, right? I mean, you are there to meet somebody, and there are multiple people to meet at once. I'm not claiming it's okay. I'm just asking you, paradise is a little bit of a different world, or does Paradise still hold of the same standards we should be held to in life?

I guess that I'd be hypocritical in saying that's not okay, considering on the Bachelor of the Bachelorette, the Bachelor of The Bachelorette is going around and kissing a zillion people at the cocktail party, you know, or during group dates. Like, that's just something that we've become accustomed to. And Paradise, if they were making out, and then

he made out with another girl at night, I guess that wouldn't have been the biggest deal, but I think it was totally different with the fact that she even admitted that they had sex the night before. Yeah. I mean, I think at that point, right? I mean, and let's make this

clear. Ashley and I both like Dean. We both know that Dean is young, but that's not an excuse for this behavior. It's not an excuse because a lot of guys have been 26 on the show and have not behaved so insensitably. Exactly. So for this topic, we are not condoning Dean's behavior at all. We actually, if he was on here, we'd say, we believe you made a mistake that you didn't handle the situation well, but we like Dean. But we do have to criticize the situation. And it isn't fair. at any time in your life to sleep with somebody and then move on even if you move on from that situation

you have to handle that maturely I believe personally as a man you need to confront the situation if you're going to end it and move forward is that true? Oh yeah totally I just think that okay so when he keeps asking Christina for patience my interpretation of this now is like

hey like you emotionally and mentally you're my girl for that but I kind of want to get my rocks off with Danielle and get her out of my system because as he admitted that's more of like an attraction a physical attraction thing. Yeah. I mean and unfortunately

and I think this is one of the other things that makes me very uncomfortable to watch during this last episode was he's in a pool 15 foot from Christina. I'm so confused. Was that an edit? No, that wasn't even an edit. It couldn't have been an edit because she was... No, because they had the camera facing both. You could see the pool and the seat. sitting on. I was going to say maybe they're on the other side of the pool, like, where she couldn't see it because there's like a little bridge. But no, you're right. I mean, I don't understand what mind, like, how drunk are you to like not realize how hurtful that is. I don't think that being drunk is an excuse either. No, I don't know if it's ever an excuse for behavior like that. No. I mean, so Christina's hurt, right? I mean, she's obviously hurt. She has strong feelings for Dean. I think Dean did say it best. He said, you know,

I think Danielle's feelings for me will never get to where Christina's feelings are for me. I mean, she cares a lot about him, and he knows that. So, Ashley, just for our listeners and from a girl's perspective, because I think it is good to hear, how should Dean have handled this if he finds himself, okay, say this is the situation that played out. He ends up sleeping with Christina. Okay, he makes that choice. And then he wakes up the next morning and he feels the guilt or the regret or just the, the non-interest in Christina anymore, okay? You know, that happens.

We hear stories about that happening. How should Dean have handled it to be in the most mature way for us to forgive him, move forward, and still consider him the guy that we all believe he is? Well, I think they probably slept together during that week, you know, where they were off camera. So I don't think that, like, everything would change with just them sleeping together that one night. Okay. But if you're asking me, how do you just, like, break up with somebody and then, you, you,

in an arena where they're going to be seen be seeing each other again is like that more of like the question I'm not even that I'm saying okay put this in the real world right so say you have somebody that you're interested in you guys you become physical you become romantic with this person in whatever way you know it doesn't have to just be sex yeah but then you find out hey I'm not that interest anymore how can a good breakup like how I have an answer to this I have an answer okay I'm asking so I want to hear that so But this is the best answer. When Wells was on my other podcast a couple of weeks ago, he said he kind of figured out

the best way to break up with somebody through a friend of his who breaks up with people by saying, I like you, but I know you're not my forever person. And right now I'm looking for my wife. And I just don't think you're that. But I think you are beautiful and such a smart, you know, great personality. So I think that is actually super less offensive because that way I can take it less personally. And then it kind of switches it on you where you're like, you know what, I like this guy too, but is this my husband? Probably not. Yeah, it's interesting, though, because I think about that. And it's fair. I mean, that's not lying. That's a very authentic way to explain where your feelings are going. But I'm just putting myself now back into Christina's shoes. And I'm thinking, so say he, Dean does that, right? He confronts situation, explains himself and says, you know, I'm just not seeing this as my forever something. And then the next moment he's making out with Danielle,

in the pool. Does that make the situation worse or better now? Well, it's always going to be worse to see the girl in him making out with another girl hours after breaking up with you. But when he says, I'm trying to find my forever something. Yeah, then I'd probably be like, that girl isn't your forever something either. That's your hookup girl. I don't know. I think then I'd be like, oh, well, Dean's probably just not here to find his forever wife anyway. You know, last week on our podcast, we had a great segment that I really enjoyed talking about on wait Ben you're right I'm understanding what your argument is here it's like well if he's telling Christina this and then goes and makes out with Danielle how does that make any

sense you know that's still just as hurtful because it doesn't fix anything doesn't fix anything in this situation I don't think he could have won I really don't think he could have won unless he told her hey you're looking for something more seriously than I am right now yeah well you know and you're right I mean I don't know if he can win in this situation and last week as I was saying we had a great segment and it was fun to talk to you about actually because you do have great perspective into this stuff and and I always learn a lot about kind of the girls perspective from when you're from what you're saying and we talked about how some people can get away with doing everything and some people can get away with doing nothing you know

you know for some people are so criticized like dean was last week we felt like you know diggy or diggity or whatever his name is doing the same thing that dean was doing and so we asked our listeners to email us in and we've been scamming through and scanning through emails all week reading these these responses and a lot of the responses were explaining the situation with dean and diggy differently by saying you know dean's acting like he is boyfriend and girlfriend with these girls and diggy is kind of keeping at a distance he's being very clear on the fact that he just wants to get to know these girls and so maybe dean's biggest issue is that he is falling hard way too fast do you agree uh i just think you

was that they met on the first day and then they were given more time off camera. So I don't know if it's him falling too fast. I think it just a matter of like he was given so much more time with Christina than he normally would have been. Actually, I'm going to have to disagree with you. I am because

there was a comment that was made this week as we were watching the episode from Dean to Danielle and told Danielle the day after or the day of, you know, him and Christina waking up next to each other and he said you were the type of girl I could fall in love Yeah, I know.

He's lying there. He does not mean that. I cannot believe those words came out of his mouth. How can we claim he's lying? No, how can we? Maybe he's falling too fast. Maybe we need to give him the benefit of the doubt and say, Dean,

your biggest issue is that you're not putting a boundary or a guardrail up on your feelings, that you're just jumping in head first, that you're infatuated with these women and you're speaking from a place of infatuation and not wisdom. Okay, there you go. He is speaking from a place of infatuation of lust. of lust Yeah

So moving forward Wait you know what I don't know if this is going to tie into this conversation But it kind of does because you mentioned how He admits that Danielle will never catch up to the feelings that Christina has for him It was interesting because we saw a similar storyline with Raven, Sarah and Adam Because Sarah's all in She's like, I like you, I know I'm not as much of a mystery I know as I'm not as much of a chase

But I am here for you and I am invested And she's like You seem to be more drawn to Raven Just because she's not so easy to get Right? So is it also a chase with Danielle And Dean And guys just love the chase

Like do you have to play hard to get And never be open with your feelings Right off the bat? You know, I think the mystery Is always something that's attractive To both sexes. I think mystery is always intriguing.

My answer would be because I have been in a very serious relationship. And I don't know if I learned this until that relationship is at some point, you have to make the choice to give up the chase. Good relationships are, I guess, lasting relationships aren't always easy. They're hard. And the chase and the mystery, it doesn't have to go completely out of it, but it does kind of get taken away because you become partners. And so the thing that, you know, you have to do as you enter into a committed relationship is choose to give up the chase.

And if you don't give up the chase, you're always going to be looking around to see what the next best option is, what the new shiny thing is. And that will always ruin you. It will always ruin the relationship. Your heart will never be content. But one of those beautiful things in a committed relationship, which I believe that Dean and Christina were acting as if they're in a committed relationship, is that you now have a partner that supports you and that you no longer have to worry. about being mysterious, that you can be confident in who you are because you know that person's always going to have your back. I don't think either of them completely gave themselves that. I think that I used to be way better at the chase, but also that being said, I'm really good

at playing hard to get when I don't like the guy. Like, there's this guy texting me, like, as we speak. And the first date was completely chemistry list, like, just lacking, just force and horrible but of course because i was like okay bye um he's been like texting me to like meet up again for like the past month i'm like dude like we couldn't even talk for an hour um okay anyway so back to the chase um i think that this show like makes it so hard to balance being mysterious plus like getting the rose because they're like be open be open like tell them how you're feeling and then you do it and then because you need the rose and you need to be like in some sort of

committed relationship but then how do you I don't know I don't know you're right no you're completely right this show makes it difficult to date but one thing that doesn't make it difficult to find clothes

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creeping me out. I'm going to give you a second here to explain yourself a little bit so that, because, I mean, I'm looking at your resume right now. You're a doctor, right? You're a real doctor. Correct. What kind of doctor? Family medicine. I work in a clinic. I see all. It's from newborn babies until elderly. Okay. Wow. I mean, so you got a great career.

But, but, but, but did you feel like the girls in Paradise were really interested in you because of your career? Because every girl wants to marry a doctor. I don't know. I mean, I kind of got mixed opinions from them. So I try not to, I try to be aware that that's a possibility, but try not to think that that's what everyone's after. Yeah. It's definitely not hurting you. I'm telling you that. I would love to be a doctor. I just don't got the brains for it. So I talk on a podcast now. I think you, um, uh, so Jonathan, you're known as a tickle monster. As I said before, I'm kind of kidding about you creep me out. But I hear great things. I hear you're a super nice dude, uh, that you're one of the most, one of the nicest guys that anybody's ever met. You're smart. Uh, the ladies last night on the, or the ladies this week on the episode were saying, you know, how good looking you were, how sweet you were. Please explain to me. We're in the heck to tickle. monster thing came from because I need something so I feel a little bit less

scared over the situation. A little weird out you feel a little bit better for my patience that they shouldn't be worried about me tickling while I'm trying to examine them. Yes, exactly. You know, it all started with just like an idea. I was trying to think, you know, how can I make a good impression for Rachel? And I knew she wanted to meet someone that would make her laugh. And I was like, what's the easiest way to make someone laugh?

You know, you tickle them. It's so simple that no one's ever even thought to do it. So I just kind of went out there and I was like, I'm going to kind of distract her a little bit and do something to tickle her. And, you know, luckily she laughed. I was thinking, my head, what am I going to do if she doesn't laugh? I probably was just going to get back in the limo and drive away. You told me something funny that you get random strangers asking you to tickle them. And when they're below the age of 18, you feel kind of creepy?

Yeah, that's a little weird. You know, I think, I don't know about weird, but it's just kind of awkward, you know, when people ask you to tickle them. I mean, it's one thing if I'm with my family and my nieces and nephews, you know, you're playing games, whatever, tickling. But the total strangers, I usually kind of, I kind of draw the line between, like, family and just total strangers tickling. And, and yeah, I do. I get people all the time, random DMs on Instagram asking, I'm ticklish, you can tickle me? Can you guess where? I mean, it's pretty insane.

But, yeah, then I got in the house, and people just started calling me, you know, oh, my gosh, you tickled her, and they started to call me tickle, and then one thing went to another, and next thing I know I'm a tickle monster from Florida. So, you know, I'm pretty goofy guy. I'm pretty laid back and pretty lighthearted, so I just fully embraced it. Why not? I mean, it just shows you that the decisions you make, even the smallest ones will affect the rest of your life. And tickle monster, I have a feeling that for the rest of your life,

your fingers will be in somebody's side, and that's something that makes me very uncomfortable. Let's talk about Christine. Hey, real quick. Are you ticklish? What? So here's half to say, are you ticklish? Yeah, I mean, so here's half my problem, Jonathan, is I am so ticklish that I have friends in college that used to sneak up behind me and tickle me because I give out this very high-pitched squealish scream.

I think that's why I'm watching you tickle people. It makes me so uncomfortable because I can imagine being in that same situation as Rachel and the ladies in paradise and screaming and kind of showing the world for the first time my laugh that has been kept quiet for a long, long time. Is it like a Chris Sol's dolphin laugh? No, it's more of like a. Oh, my God, I've never been so turned off by you. Oh, Ashley. make it like creepy and I've encountered a few people and I'll say that jokingly I'm like are you ticklish you know and and they're like actually one time someone held me down and like

tickled me until I pee my pants or I'm like okay we're gonna stop oh well this should be the time to tell you that if you did tickle me I would probably fart and then pee my pants I will I will always be and then like if I fart then I'm laughing in addition to it so because it's all a funny situation and then I'll pee because I'm laughing so hard Ashley. I just thought I'd be super honest because I know people are going to like to hear that because it's true honesty right there. I agree. I like your transparency, Ashley.

I just, I know you don't like the imagery. No, you're the best. All right. So, Tickle Monster, be honest with me, all right. Have you at any moment do you feel like landed somebody of the opposite sex because of your tickling habits? Like, post-show, have you ever been asked to tickle somebody and later that night ended up kissing them? Because of my, like, how good I am at tickling or just because of being the tickle monster? Both.

I think, yeah, definitely there's been a few people who based on being the tickle monster and being on the show definitely have, you know, just kind of like you say, people after you just because of the doctor thing. And obviously I've had people come up to me just because of being on. the show and being the tickle monster, but I haven't, like, converted anyone that's like, oh, I'm not really sure about this tickling thing, and then I tickle them, and they're like, oh, I don't know. Now I kind of like this. So you're saying, there's no one that I've converted to tickling yet. You're saying that there are tickle monster groupies out there.

Oh, for sure. I mean, I, where is this where I'm going to. 50-50. I get a lot of love, and I get a lot of hate. Are you taking advantage of the groupies? I wouldn't say taking it. advantage of it, I'm embracing it. I'm by no means

manipulating anyone or taking advantage of anyone or using it to my advantage. I don't think you would be. It doesn't really seem like you. Watching this week's episode, it was really clear that people really enjoy you from the franchise that have met you and been around you

in person to get to the show a little bit, because I could go on and on about this weird fetish with tickling, but we got to move on. Okay, it's It's a habit. So the habit of tickling, you show up to Paradise late. Is it weird to kind of enter into Paradise super late in the process?

Yeah, it's a little different. I mean, you're definitely coming up with the card stacked against you. You know, the uphill battle, you've got a lot of work to do. It's not like you just got an open table. I mean, I have a date car, but still, you know, with this point in the game, a lot of people are starting to have relationships and already kind of made connections. And so you either have to really find someone that was really wanting you or, you know, just kind of look for someone who hasn't found someone already.

I mean, and then we're going to do, we don't like the character bash on this episode or on this podcast. It's not our game. So I really don't want this to happen here. But what's your thoughts on Jack Stone? I was mad at him last night. I mean, you go on this great day. You seem like a great guy.

This girl's into you. You come back. And within five minutes, you know, Jack Stone is. pulling her aside and then kissing her in front of you. I'm not a fan of it. I was upset with him. I was on Team Tickle. Please explain your thoughts on Jack Stone right now.

Jack Stone and our best friend, which is what makes the whole thing so awkward. It's like, we're practically like roommates fighting over the same girl in paradise. And so, you know, I think we kind of had the same idea. You watch Jack and he sees me kiss her and he's like, hey, what's the crap, Jonathan doing kids of my girl and then turn around and come back and I'm like what's jack doing kiss to my girl so uh you know we definitely i you know create a little controversy there but but i do like jack stone we're pretty pretty close well i'm not a i'm not a jack stone fan right now i'm on your team until he handles this situation better i'm i'm not gonna not gonna support it um maybe

i think we can roll our last question for tickle monster into our next segment did the fact that Kristen, Kristen, right? It's spelled Christine, but we'll go with Kristen. She, it's Kristen, right? Kristen, correct. All right. She thinks that she's the virgin in paradise, like, L.O.L. You guys, that's my

title. Good try. But how did you feel about going on a date with a virgin? Is that a turnoff or turn on? I had no idea. I had no idea going into it, and then

I don't even remember how that came up. It was like later or whatever or something. And someone's like, do you want on a date with a person? And I was like, what? I mean, it by no means changed my impression of her, changed nothing. But I was just, I had no idea. So everything you saw me doing everything, the way I acted, was just totally non-judgmental at all. Okay.

That's lovely. Yeah. I mean, do you feel like, you know, Tickle, I want to hear your thoughts here? Do you feel like Jasmine was extra mean during these couple days that you're in paradise? She said no one wants to hang out with the Virgin Pina Colada. I was personally victimized. I think Jasmine is a very outspoken woman. And when she thinks something, she doesn't even think about it.

She just says it. She says what's on her mind, what's on her heart. And sometimes that's not what people want to hear. So I think Jasmine was Jasmine. I don't, and we'll roll this into the next segment here because I think it's a topic we need to talk about. But I don't really appreciate Jasmine's reaction to things where she quickly pushes people away.

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Thank you, Jonathan, for coming on the Almost Famous. today. We appreciate you. I'm not kidding. You're tickling. Did creep me out, but you're not a creepy man. I hope to meet you one day. Continue doing great things in the area of medicine. Thank you for talking to us. We appreciate you. See you guys. All right, guys. Let's get to the callers. We ask them about their thoughts on Jasmine, whether she was too mean to Kristen, too mean to Matt. Let's hear what they got to say. First, we're going to Caitlin in Pennsylvania. Hey, Caitlin. Hey, how are you?

Hey, good. How are you? I'm great. What do you think about Jasmine? Okay, I don't know. Honestly, I think she's a little harsh. Okay. The whole Kristen thing, I think she came on to Kristen way too strong.

Like, I feel like she already had a bad taste in her mouth. And it's like, honestly, it's not like her and Kristen were friends prior to the show. So the fact that Kristen wanted to take Matt on a date, I feel like she should have been more mad at Matt rather than like making Kristen feel like terrible about herself. That's a really good point. Did Jasmine mentioned to Kristen at all during that break that she was into Matt? I forget.

I feel like this rings a bell. Well, I mean, when Kristen came in, Jasmine was like, yeah, so Matt's off the hook. Like he's not available. but then Kristen took Matt aside and she asked him and he said oh she said I wasn't available like that's not true I'm still like looking to date yeah well that's all Matt then you know Jasmine really can't get annoyed at her for it yeah yeah there's also like she didn't really establish like they weren't actually in a relationship like Taylor and Derek are so this whole thing confusing me I mean I was I was called Ashley last night uh Caitlin because I'm not understanding this whole Bachelor in Paradise deal, right? I mean, you're dating so many people, and there's so many options.

There's new people coming in every day. Like, where, how do you define the relationship in paradise? Caitlin, I want to hear your thoughts first on how you define the relationship when you're in paradise. And then I guess Ashley can be our expert giving us this advice. I don't know. Honestly, I'm with you, Ben. Like, it all kind of confuses me. I actually, I was gone last night at a concert, so I just watched the DVR of last night.

So it's, like, fresh in my head. But, I don't know. I think the whole thing's weird because you go in and, like, you know everyone's going to be dating everyone. And it's not like, I mean, yeah, there are some serious relationships that come out of it. But I feel like you have to kind of go into it with an open mind, like, kind of expecting anything. I agree. Ashley, we got to hear your thoughts. You're the expert here.

Yeah, I want to hear you. I think when it comes to defining the relationship in paradise, it's very simple. similar to how it is in the real world, I think that you probably tell each other like, hey, I'm not going to be dating anyone else. And they're like, oh, great, because I'm not interested in that either. That's just how it goes. And if you don't have that conversation, I'm pretty sure everybody's free reign. Right. And I think that's where Jasmine and Matt kind of were at fault, because they didn't really have that discussion where it was like, I think Jasmine went into it thinking, okay, it's just Matt and me. But like Matt never said that he was only going to date Jasmine, you know? right. And I guess it's got to be mutual. I have, you know, yeah, as much as I would have like to, as I said on the show once, claim my steak, you can't do it unless the other person's all in, too. You know, Caitlin, before we move on, because we're going to have to take some other callers here. But I think you seem to have a pretty good perspective on this. And Ashley definitely does. I've got to hear talk about it for the last many weeks. One thing that really frustrates

me. And this whole thing around Jasmine, right, was she too mean or too nice? I think she was too mean. She cut people off too quickly, I think. She discounted people, which I don't appreciate. But then she did something that I don't know if most people kind of catch on to, but it really frustrates me. I want to hear if I'm just crazy or if I'm completely alone or if everybody agrees with me. And it's this idea that once Matt left, then she makes the comment, I'm just trying to get the rose, which kind of makes me cringe every time I hear it anyways, because it just doesn't have a lot. of significance in life. But it is almost this manipulation process where you're trying to attack the weakest person out there or the one person that's loneliest and make them like you at least for that moment so that they feel like they have a chance and they want to give you a rose. If that makes me mad, like in those moments, everybody should be getting mad at those people. Yeah, I agree with that. This season seems to be all about getting the rose when there's really no connections being

made. Yeah. And then I think when Matt's. woke in, like, he left, and then Jasmine was like, I'm not getting the rose now. And then he came back to give Jasmine that rose. I thought that was a super kind gesture. And Jasmine kind of was just, she was still upset with him. But like, he went that extra mile to come in and save her so that she had a chance with somebody else. But she just wouldn't give him the benefit. Yeah. That was lame the way she acted. I thought she was going to be, I thought she was

going to be very grateful and relieved at that moment, but she wasn't. Yeah, because everyone was like spooning and then she just wasn't having it. Um, you know what? So ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. It's been fired up. It makes me fired up. So with that, Caitlin, we're going to have to send you off to go punch a wall.

All right. I'll go. All right. Thanks for joining us. Thank you. We're going to move on to Tweedy in Florida who has the opposite opinion. She thinks Jasmine's being too nice. Hey, sweetie.

How you doing? I'm doing well. How are you? Good. Why do you think she's being? too nice? Because I feel like Kristen definitely did it on purpose. I don't, she kind of was acting like she was all right, all right, all right, no. I kind of agree with you there. I actually feel like Kristen just went in with a plan to make out and be with anybody who would bring her along in the

process. I don't think she really had any feelings for Matt. Yeah, I agree. She was just sabotaging. Possibly. I'm so interesting that you guys feel this way because I just didn't. I really watched the whole episode thinking, you know, maybe Jasmine, maybe mean isn't the word you want to say. She was too dramatic, extra? Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe too protective of Matt. I mean, I just felt like he did give her signs. He was very clear in his feelings. She could tell that he was kind of pulling away. and as she kept pursuing she just made it harder on him

to be with anybody else so he finally just had to choose to go out and date somebody that I don't even know if they were that into each other Yeah I don't think that Matt's really into anyone

Hence why he left Right That's a good point All right So you both watch last night's episode You're thinking Jasmine was Completely fine in her actions There was nothing wrong with it

And everybody else was overreacting Yeah I do Yeah I think she kept it classy Yeah, Tweedy, well, I have you on the line. I have a question. Were you extremely thrown off by when Derek said, F you to Taylor? This is being so overlooked. Did I hear that properly?

That showed a dark side. And I would not have accepted his apology in that moment because his apology didn't seem too genuine. Ben, did you pick up on this? Yeah, I do. I mean, go ahead. Oh, sorry. I personally thought maybe she should have just taken his roads and been like,

I'm done with you. Not a bad idea, Ben. Yeah, I mean, I think maybe last night was one of the first times that I just felt like a lot of things were going on that were not authentic and genuine. I mean, does that make sense? Like, I just felt like a lot of last night's episode I was watching just kind of not being sold on the fact that people were really out to pursue relationships. And they were more just out to either protect themselves or to keep their eyes open for whatever. ever walked down the stairs next. I honestly, I think this season of paradise has been entertaining, but I'm not getting

but loveless. You know, the one, here's a topic we should talk about before we let you go here. And I have this down on my notes, and I was just scanned through my notes to see what else I want to talk about on this podcast, but I'm getting a feeling that the Amanda and Robbie situation is similar to the Evan and Carly situation. Am I wrong in this feeling? No. I'm kind of feeling my heart towards these people. Okay. So what's interesting about Robbie and Amanda is that they've both come from prior

season. So they've been around this a little bit more. It may not be as like a sparkly, shiny new process for them. They've like had the fame of it all has sunk in a little bit. So now they're like just kind of confiding in each other because they're on a different level. Like they're not really in it. I don't really think they're in it just for the fame. I think that they actually want to find somebody. Yeah, I mean, Amanda hasn't talked more than a few words all season, which I actually find encouraging because I think she's keeping below the radar to possibly find somebody.

She's not out to make a name for herself anymore. Right. Right. I definitely agree. I think that she's really in it for love and she doesn't want to move. I believe what she says when she says she doesn't want to move too fast, and I think she's in it for the right reason. Yeah, Amanda and Robbie are seeming like to be the most genuine of this bunch.

But hey, Ben, you just kind of like breezed over that Derek thing. Well, honestly, I kind of have opinions on that that I don't think will be the most popular. Well, why not? I don't. Why? You think it was not a big deal? No, I think it's a huge. I felt like in a sense he was getting bullied into a situation. Does that make sense? Am I wrong in that? How so? I mean, I think I was seeing a side, it's Taylor, correct? Yes.

So I was seeing a side of Taylor that we saw on The Bachelor. Condescending, a little belittling. Yes, exactly. A little therapist, like, yeah. Yeah, and I mean, I think she's using that therapist card to kind of say, I know how to handle this and you don't. And as a result, you need to just follow my footsteps. And I don't think that's fair to him.

And so I watched it. And I'm not, I mean, I've, I've watched. I loved watching Taylor this season. It's been a completely different person than what we saw on The Bachelor. Until now, and I listened to this conversation, I felt bad for him because he couldn't process through his feelings. Like, it takes a while to come to the right answer. Reaction is never the right thing in situations of arguments or disagreements, so he didn't want to react. He was taking his time.

But he did react. And then I felt like he was belittled for it. And I don't appreciate that in a relationship. It's not a healthy habit, I guess. And so that's my notes from last night. I wasn't going to really talk about it. I don't, I guess I'm still trying to process how I felt about that conversation. But it was just the, it was just that one phrase, the way you said it.

Right. Yeah. I feel like when you're in a relationship, that's not the best go-to word. Yeah. Yeah. What exactly was the phrase? I'm sorry, I'm totally spacing on this. I don't have it in my notes.

You don't remember when he's, can you believe it? When he said, he was like, fuck you. No, I don't remember that. Oh. Maybe I missed that part. He definitely missed it then. because this is not a Ben Higgins approved line. No, no, that's not fair.

No, not fair at all. Not good. Wish we would have talked to him about it last week. He was on the podcast. You know, I was cooking dinner why this was going on, so I must have missed it. My bad. Were you cooking your blue apron? I was cooking my blue apron.

No, but I still, I guess, even with that being said, I kind of still stick to my opinion on their follow-up conversation was there was a little belittling. I felt he was a little bullied into it, but yes, he should definitely have apologized. and felt terrible about that comment to her. That's not the right way to talk to anybody, woman or man in any relationship. While I found myself to like Taylor more this season and I think she's beautiful, I still would not want her to be my therapist. I find her to be like the worst person to talk to about feelings. Yeah.

I mean, I don't know if we could, we could even remember one moment in her career on The Bachelor that we felt like she's handled a situation well, especially. warmly normally yeah just i said warmly warmly yeah yeah you're right i mean i wonder why that is but on i mean i want to see them i want to see them survive because when we talked to him last week actually he really did kind of have i felt like he had the feeling um in his voice when he talked about taylor that things were still going very well yeah yeah i think they probably are doing well but we'll see. Okay.

We got to move on, though. We have way more Jasmine to talk about. Yeah. Are you ready? Well, thank you, Tweety, for staying on the line with us for so long and giving us so many opinions. Right now, we have to move on to Marie and Emma. Marie and Emma. Hey, guys.

How are you? We're good. You're in Vancouver, home of Caitlin Bristow. Yeah. Yay. All right. What do you think about Jasmine? We thought she came out a little strong, but it made for good TV.

Like, I was waiting for her to put either Kristen or Matt in a Chokey, personally. I was super into that, but I don't know. Where did the word Chokey come from? Next season, did you watch that? Oh, of course we did. No, I was talking of Ben. Ben, to inform you, Jasmine was known for the Chokey on her season because she said, sometimes likes to give guys a little choke when she's frustrated with them.

Don't we all? Yeah, she really restrained herself. But she did jump on him. She straddled him and she made out with him right as he got home from that date with Kristen. What did you guys think about that? Yeah. We didn't really feel like Matt was that into her or else I don't think he would have said yes the other date. Like we understand that that's the premise of the show.

But I don't know. He just didn't seem that into it. And then he decided to go home. and then she kind of threw a tantrum. I think she needs to read that book. He's just not that into you. Yeah, it's also a movie. He'll watch it.

Yeah. I've seen it. Just because I've seen it doesn't mean I take its advice, but I'm aware. Never. Never, exactly. Can we backtrack a second? So who exactly were we talking to? Are you sisters, best friends?

Like, who are what's, I was going to say, you're giggling and laughing and, like, completing each other's sentences. This is one of the cutest things I've heard in a long time. We spend a lot of time together. We do. Yeah, we're best friends. You sound like Ashley and I. We did go and we complete these other sentences. It's really nice.

It's really special. Who would you guys want to date in this motley group of bachelors? Oh my God, none. They're all done. They're actually all does. And I don't know who they're going to pick for the next bachelor. But we think it should be Chris Harrison. Honestly, it should Chris Harrison for next bachelor.

Chris Harrison has a lot of following. He's a lot of backing on this. I know. And you should host the show. I think Ben and I would be the best host for a for a Chris Harrison bachelor season. Yeah, I think it's a great option. I'd tune in.

I would for sure tune in. One day, when the show really jumps its final shark, that'll be what happens. Yeah, well, I mean, maybe season 50. Yeah. Okay. You know the show is hitting its final legs when they ask Ashley and I to host a Chris Harrison special week.

there's no more going down that's rock bottom before you girls leave what were you saying i think that's hitting its peak the show is not hitting rock bottom when that happened they just need to switch it up yeah yeah we need a fresh start somehow anyway you guys before you leave i want to go back to that question so you guys wouldn't want to you wouldn't date any of these guys because you think they're total duds and i have to agree i think this would be like the first tearless Ashley eye season had i been on paradise i don't think any of these guys are worth my tears yeah i agree with that. No, honestly, we miss you on the show. Aw, that's very sweet. Thank you. I count my lucky

stars I'm not on this season. I would be Alexis. I'd be like piecing out, not faking any relationship to stay around. These guys are not worthy of me. Oh, for sure. The only good one is Wells. Oh, Wells is awesome, yeah. Well, he's off limits. Wells is a big following. He's a Yeah, he does. Maybe Wells would be the next one. Yeah. Well, thank you guys for your feedback. We really, thank you for listening.

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I mean, I feel like this week's episode of Bachelor in Paradise, not, didn't exactly bring us the content to talk for long lengths of time in this podcast, but the underlying tones of the episode and Corinne's interview gave us some big topics to talk about. So to close out the podcast today, we're going to run a little longer. I hope our listeners don't mind. We have some big topics here. We're going to talk Karim. And we're going to talk Corinne with a caller from Amanda and hear her perspective on the matter.

And then we're going to jump from our call. caller to the topic of virgin shaming. We've talked about virginity before on this podcast because my co-host has stayed true to her morals and values and decided to stay a virgin up until this point. And that's not exactly, we don't want to make this personal. What we want to talk about is why are people shaming others for their virginity? That is a topic I'm passionate about. I know Ashley's passionate about.

It's not okay with me. But before we do that, another really big kind of fiery conversation was the situation that happened in Paradise earlier this year between DeMario and Corinne. And both of them now have had a chance to talk. Demario last week, which we talked about in last week's podcast, go back, listen to it. We go into it. This week's Corinne. Right now we have Amanda on the line. Amanda, are you out there?

Hi. How are you guys? Good. How are you? We want to talk a little Corinne. Are you down? Um, yeah, I mean, I'm down for anything, but, uh, Corinne last night, I mean, I thought, sorry, I thought it was interesting hearing her talk, at least speak for the first time in public about what had happened. Um, up into that point, I had only seen, like, the legal statements and all that stuff, but, um, for the most part, I thought she was pretty genuine. I definitely felt for her in every aspect. Uh, like, when I compare it, though, to when DeMario was speaking, I thought, I don't know if, like, he, like, he, like, he, like, he, like, rehearsed it more if it was like more genuine i don't know i don't i've never been in that situation

so i can't like judge but he seems to me a little more genuine i don't know what do you guys think about that i think they both genuinely think that it's a horrible situation that they wish never happened i feel like corin was very genuine last night and um just being apologetic towards everybody it affected including demario i think she feels horrible about the kind of light that that controversy has put him in. She clarified that she was victim. She felt a victim to the media, not actually a sexual assault victim.

Yeah, I definitely got the vibe that she really wanted to clarify that that's what she meant by it. Yeah. Can I express, I'm going to express the thought here on that. I want you to kind of talk about it. I wish she would have, if that's how she feels, which I don't know. I mean, I'm not saying she does or does not.

I wish you would have clarified that then once that comment got released and she saw the kind of rabbit hole, it was taking everybody down. She should have came out and said, I'm not a victim to DeMario. You think she should have said it before yesterday. Yeah. I mean, we've waited months for this. And as a result, there's been a lot of accusations made and things have gone awry then. If that's how she felt, she should have clarified it earlier. I agree.

Yeah, I agree, Ben. I think that she's especially, with the court you had, a legal, oh, no, you're breaking up. Oh, sorry. I was just saying, sorry, my connection was bad.

I was just saying that considering the legal and, like, the social support that she had, whether it be from, like, the bachelor family or her own family or just fans in general,

I think that she, by all means, had, like, the power to come out again and clarify statement. But again, we, I guess we won't know unless we're in that position, but. I'm glad that both of them decided to talk. I think that was, that showed a lot of character on their part to come out, confront the situation, and speak openly about it because, you know, rumors spread, like I said earlier,

accusations are made. At least now we've heard from both parties. and I thought last night Corinne in my opinion the whole time I felt like she was genuine I felt like she was authentic

I think She was on the verge of tears the entire time Yeah got put into a situation Where they were They weren't expecting to get it to The one thing That I will say with both parties

Is you can just tell They're ready for it to be done Like they're talking about it And it's almost just like Yeah I'm emotional Yeah this has been terrible It's a terrible But I just want to be

done with it. And I think that's kind of the feeling I got from Corinne last night. Yeah, I agree. There's one thing that I don't really believe in what Corinne said. And that is, she's definitely warned of the side effects of her medication, especially about drinking on them. She can say that she forgot or was never told, but, you know, when you get the prescription, you're told. I'm on a prescription that I'm not allowed to drink on, you know, whatever. I'm not allowed to get sloppy on. and I was on it on the show, and I was worn many. I just like, but you have to clarify.

Like, I'm on one that you can't drink. I mean, you can't get sloppy on. Well, you can. Well, they tell, they would tell me, you know, you can't drink on it. And I'd be like, yeah, yeah, I mean, I won't, I won't go party hard on it. You're warned. You're warned. You know, you're discouraged against it.

Um, quick question. Did you guys have any inkling that she was? was on medication while also consuming alcohol in paradise or you guys that was the first time you guys have heard that uh i was i had an inkling oh okay we've you know we we we had uh when we were doing like um our conversations about the bachelor in paradise controversy uh you know we did have a lot of callers and people that were on the show within the show calling in and talking to us and that was always something that was kind of either brought up as more inquisitive like i wonder if or saying yeah, I know she's on medication.

I wonder if that's what she took and then started drinking. So we never knew for certain, but we had this idea of something else was going on here. Because she was correct when she said that the side effects of drinking on medication like that, it'll black you out, but you'll peer lucid or as Chris Harrison said, normal Corinne, which is probably like wild, but also like conscious. Yeah. So. Well, we're both safe now and everything as well.

Yeah. Again, I mean, how crazy is it that we're kind of wrapping up this huge controversy and a very large conversation that I hope has opened the doors for people to talk more openly about situations like this, right? We never want this to have to be hidden or for people to feel shameful for feeling certain ways. Or if Curran did feel like a victim, we want her to be able to express that so that people can come around her and love her well. But how crazy is it that Bachelor in Paradise that we're now watching started with a controversy that literally shook the United States? I mean, it was all over everything for so long, and now it's finally kind of coming to an end. The Bachelor in Paradise scandal can't come to the phone right now.

Oh, because it's dead. Yeah, a thousand percent. And it's just crazy also that, like, after all. Wait, what was that? Time out. Go back. What was that? It was a Taylor's for the friend, friends.

Oh, I didn't know. All right. I had to add a little pop culture reference to make this podcast as relevant as possible. Oh, my. Hey, well, thank you for calling in and talking Karen with us. No worries. I love you guys and I listen every week, so keep it up. Love you for listening.

Hey, make sure to listen to this podcast because this week's podcast, surprise, surprise, you're on it. Oh, nice, nice, nice. Well, take care of guys. Thanks, you too. Hey, thanks. All right, Ashley, let's transition here into a conversation that was kind of brought up last night as you and I were talking. And then as we watched Bachelor in Paradise, we've had some people right into us, right? Kind of asking the question of what's going on with the virgin shaming, right?

We don't seem to shame people for their actions, they're anti-virgin, which we shouldn't. Shame is never a pop, it should never be done. But last night, and it kind of feels like this weird element of throughout the Bachelor franchise is being a virgin is always such a surprise. And then it also is used as for the first time last night. And I'll talk more about this once I hear your thoughts. It was used as a manipulation tactic. Yeah, it definitely, it's, it was used last night to bring another girl down to make her seem less worthy of. love and attention from men we got an email from Laura and she says it seems like any

time there's a virgin on any Bachelor franchise show they're constantly publicly criticized for that personal choice recent examples when Ashley was on Bachelor in Paradise one of the girls scoffed the camera by saying what man would want to take somebody's virginity that's just bad sex yes I remember I remember watching that and feeling kind of crappy but I also knew that, well, never mind. And now Jasmine's comments about it being ridiculous that a man would choose Kristen because, quote, no one wants a virgin Pinacolada. And he's implying that if he was looking for a wife, he would never want that.

Why is it that slut shaming is considered wrong, but virgin shaming is fine? This is a great topic. That is, it's legit shaming. Like, a lot of people tell me, like, whether it's to my face or behind my back, that no guy is going to be interested in me these days because I'm 29-year-old virgin. Like, guys don't want to, quote, deal with that at that age. And there is some matchmaker out there who's always talking about how I just need to get it over with. And that nobody wants, nobody wants someone like me right now.

And I'm like, great. Thank you for making me feel super good about my moral choice. Yeah. You know, you've been nothing but great and honest and open through this podcast with kind of your situation. And I know, you know, Becca has joined us earlier and she kind of has a very similar story to yours. You share your story openly, which I appreciate. But for the sake of this conversation, Ashley, I think it would be interesting if you kind of took yourself out of that. You know, if you pictured yourself, if you just didn't have this personal opinion at it, and we looked at the situation in general and we said,

uh kind of like we talked about a few weeks ago how difficult is it do you think emotionally for somebody to kind of carry um to feel shameful for the action like to have to close that hide that in i mean jasmine made those comments and it's almost like if you aren't if you are a virgin you are less than i am and and what you can bring to a man and i and i just i cringe at that because it's so untrue and so false but it was how i felt after those comments were made last night Yeah, I mean, I don't know what else to say, but that's exactly how she intended for that to come across. Like, why would he want anything to do with you if you can't give him that? I want to then, there was an interesting moment with Kristen last night, though, as she was talking to, was it, was it Daniel?

No, who, was it Daniel? Oh, yeah, Daniel is like a horn dog. Yeah, and so I want to then kind of come into this conversation. and quickly wrap it up because I don't want to spend too much time on Daniel. I thought it was disgusting the stuff he was saying last night. Daniel's, Daniel's humor, it's not humorous right now. It's, he's crossed the line last season. He was funny and sarcastic, but I thought it seemed mean-spirited yesterday.

Yeah, and it felt like he was trying really hard to be funny with every comment he had. He came in very confident, very cocky. I didn't appreciate it. I thought it was disgusting. I don't think it's the way you speak to women. But I'm trying to remember what conversation it was exactly, but there was, Kristen was kind of talking and sharing her virginity like, you know, I have something now one up on everybody else here, which also I don't think is a fair way to speak. Right. So we have these two sides, right?

You have the slut shaming, you're the virgin shaming somewhere in between. We agree as a podcast and his host, none of that shaming is appropriate at any time. and it should never be used to leverage somebody's or to manipulate or leverage yourself on somebody else. That's just not somebody should like you for who you are as a person, not what you've done or have to offer physically, correct? Correct. And I think it's a little bit strange at this point that the franchise is trying to like exploit the Virgin like it's like it's a thing now. Like why do we even have to discuss sexual history? I mean, is it, I guess I grew up in small town, Indiana. Most of my friends and most of my family friends were a part of a great church in Warsaw, you know, very conservative community.

I know a lot of virgins that are in their, you know, late 20s, early 30s, is it that rare? I mean, I guess I've grown up in a world where it's not rare at all. Oh, I have grown up in an opposite world where before the show, if I was making you feel, friends or something and that topic came up, then I'd feel so weird to talk about it. I've never felt comfortable talking about it until the show had me talk about it so much. And, you know, it's nice that girls who are in my boat look up to me into a certain way and like I make them feel normal. Yeah. Ashley, you have done to kind of close off this conversation. I think it's weird. It makes me feel uncomfortable. The shaming of those kind of things. I don't get it. I can't quite wrap

my head around how anybody, first off, kind of with Daniel's comments, how anybody can speak kind of so vulgarly and so demeaning towards people. But Ashley, you've done nothing but lift yourself up, lift others up in the process of this conversation. I encourage you, I guess, to continue to share your story because it might be the only encouraging truth they have to this topic. And we need young women and men out there to feel confident in the choices and decisions they've made.

so please with that right into the almost famous podcast we have a great email set up to let Ashley share in a second but we'll ride in with your thoughts on the slut shaming virgin shaming kind of the shaming in general of your sexual choices and acts and then how maybe if you feel comfortable enough how that's affected you we would love to hear your thoughts and we'd love to hear your opinions and then if you get a chance and you've been encouraged by Ashley and her story write in and tell her it means a lot to read And it keeps us passionate about speaking openly about our lives. Because if not, there's really no choice or point to us being so transparent with you all.

Ashley, what's the email they can write into? They can write into Ben and Ashley at iHeartMedia.com. I get tweets all week long about this. So if you're listening right now, make sure to write it down, Ben and Ashley at iHeartMedia.com. And yeah, like Ben was saying, I think a lot of people say, like, thank you for making me feel normal. But when you email me and I read these emails, I'm like, well, thank you for making me feel like I have a little community of my own. That's right. Yeah, I mean, exactly. You don't feel alone here. So, hey, speaking of not

feeling alone, we've asked writers and listeners to write into that same email on last week's podcast. And we have some great emails out there to read and discuss. Ashley, you want to run through this real quick? Yeah, let's get a little more lighthearted now. So this girl, Melissa, has two questions for us. One, when you were on BIP, did you get to see your episode before it aired and did all the people on the show get to see how they were edited before it goes out for the world to see? Well, Melissa, we do not. So it makes for difficult Monday and Tuesdays because especially if you're on the West Coast, you're seeing people react to your behavior before you're even seeing it. And it's like, oh my gosh, what do they show? What's being aired?

You kind of feel defenseless in the moment because, you know, you just, you never know what they're show and you're not always able to like talk about the the full story because you know they have to crunch in the entire story into a certain number of hours every week so it's hard to watch your edit before being prepared to watch it you know what I mean yeah I mean and let's let's be clear here too I hear a lot of excuses from people on the show like I got a terrible editor that was a bad edit and I have yet to watch um an episode or a scenario that I've been a part of that the editing um was not how it went down yes yes it's cut short and yes there's things left out but the overall tone of the conversation or overall tone of the situation is always um I

would say fairly accurate you're getting a good depiction of of the events and the personality so um you know you can be nervous and I've been nervous before for for an episode. But for the most part, if you felt like you stayed true to yourself, you're fine. You have nothing to worry about. We have another, we have another email, don't you? Yeah. I'm going to make you feel awkward. That's my favorite. Let me, please. Okay. This is from Brianna. Hi, Ben and Ashley. I'm wondering about something that nobody ever talks about. Why is this never brought up? I'm talking about the fantasy suites and the women having that time of the month. Talk about killing the

vibe does this happen does this happen and what on earth do girls do if it does happen especially for the lead bachelorette I'm assuming that most girls run the pill or that they just pray for good timing what do you think love you guys Brianna what a good question that I don't know if I can answer

truly this has never even crossed my mind what a great question no I mean it's kind of a question that kind of transcends the Bachelor reality with the real world reality, right? So that can happen. It's real life. It's the real world. And I guess my answer would be if that was the situation that existed. First off, we've been very clear. The Fantasy Suite doesn't always include sex. That's not the purpose behind the Fantasy Suite. So the purpose on the Fantasy Suite is getting to know somebody better than you did before because there's no cameras around. I would hope, I guess in my situation as the Bachelor, that people felt confident enough to just be

honest about what their situation was um i mean it's it's it's life it's it's natural it's the real world like yeah it's unfortunate maybe they'd be maybe embarrassed or like she said just a big buzz killer but um you still have eight nine hours together to get to know each other to talk life and that's exciting and that's really what i was hoping the fantasy suite was not anything more than that yeah i mean if you're really intent on getting sexual i would say there's other things you can do and I guess some people are out there like wait I don't want to get engaged to someone that I haven't like experienced everything with but I don't think that's like really what's on your mind heading into the fantasy sleep I don't know I don't know no I mean you're right

I mean if you're that if if you're going to propose to him you should feel comfortable enough be be open and honest about your situation and then you you figure it out together I mean that's what partnerships for right you figure life out together the ups and downs lows and you know through sickness and in health, you know, thick and thin, that time of month and not. Well, that's another topic for another day. So, but you know what? I always have happened on my period.

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You know, Ashley and I do this podcast, not just to talk about The Bachelor at Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise, but to kind of relate the topics that are present in that show with the real world. So we need you. We need you to write in, call in, tell us your personal stories, send us encouragement from listening to the podcast, whatever it is, but we want to hear from you so we can help relate this back to the real world. We want to share our life with you.

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