The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - S2 #6 Paradise Finale

Episode Date: September 13, 2017

Kristina joins Ben and Ashley to give her side of what went down in the Paradise finale...including Dean's love confession. We discuss the latest on Amanda and Robby's social media feud...which throws Ben into 'Twitter refresh frenzy' for the latest updates. Plus...another round of 'Who the Heck Are You: Iggy edition!' Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast with IHartRadio. Hey, everybody, this is the final episode for Bachelor in Paradise this season. I'm Ben. And I'm Ashley. And we are very excited to join the day, but we are also very excited about our first guest. We have a rock star on the line calling in who has made a huge name for herself, not only on the Bachelor with Nick, but in Bachelor in Paradise. She's part of the love triangle.

Christina is on the line today. I am very excited for Christina. I've texted her a little bit throughout this season. She actually said the sweetest things to me last week. She said, like, through this podcast, I've been able to describe a lot of the feelings that she has had throughout the season that she couldn't really verbalize herself. So that was a nice comment.

She's a listener? She's a listener, yeah. I mean, come on. That's really great. It's nice to know that people on the show are listening to our podcast. Yeah, it makes me feel good that I've been able to articulate some of the frustration she must have had, watching it back and being there and all that. Well, I mean, Ashley, you are, I don't know if you want to be called this. You kind of are an expert.

And you're not only expert in Paradise, but I continue to read the social media response to our podcast. And I feel like every woman out there continues to say, Ashley says the things that I either don't know how to say or verbalizes the feelings that I don't know how to verbalize. So I guess all those women out there and men as well who watch the show, you are kind of speaking for them. So nice job. Well, thanks. It's so nice to hear because sometimes I feel like maybe I'm not tough enough. You know how last week we were talking about tough love and I don't dish that at all.

I'm just always saying like, oh, I feel bad for her because of this and for that. And I never blame anybody's behavior. Maybe it's because I just know how girls really act in these situations and, you know, just show it. You know, don't try to hide it. And if, I don't know, because I never hit anything on Paradise. So finale. Let's talk about this, Ben. It was the most sped up finale of all time.

I think after watching last week's episode, I was like, wait a second. You're telling me they're going to wrap this whole thing up in two hours and they really just breeze through it. we had Kristen and Jack Stone break up in the beginning and it was funny because obviously Jack like planned he was talking about marrying her and then she was like wait a second I don't even want to call you my boyfriend which kind of like was if you know how last week she came on here and she said oh I'm not really even that attractive to any of those guys that basically came through well the Jackstone thing's weird to me that whole conversation did it make sense like I felt like in that situation Jack was in the right all he was saying was are you into me or not and she kept trying to push it to be something it wasn't I just think she should have been more honest and said Jack I'm not into you this isn't going to work in any circumstance like I don't even know if I'm willing to be a friend right now this whole situation is crazy yeah she called him an acquaintance they were communicating yeah but then again I guess you can question oh if you weren't really into him then why are you still there and I guess the answer to that question is always like

Well, I like to be on TV. Well, the thing is, we know it, and I brought it up a couple weeks ago. The weirdest thing about Paradise to me is this, like, pursuit of a rose. Everybody's like every week, people are shuffling around, and if they're single, they're trying to figure out who they're going to hit on that night to get the rose. And I think we saw it this week. There's this weird dynamic going on in Paradise. I get it.

People are responding to the finale and saying, this wasn't what I expected. This season wasn't as good as past seasons. but we do have to take a step back and say, okay, for a disrupted Bachelor in Paradise, right, that this wasn't the typical format, it was rushed. They were there for a lot less amount of time. We got something, right? We got love. We found some people found love.

We had some drama. We had storylines. We got tears. Like, when I watch Bachelor in Paradise, what I watch it for, we got in a very short season. So I think we should give the cast credit. for going out and really trying hard to pursue something and also the show credit for putting on a season that I would say was decent, but at least they got something out there. I love Lacey and the Canadian guy, Daniel, who I went on a date with once. And, yeah, that guy sucks.

I can't always talk to him later in the day because normally I don't think Daniel sucks. I usually just think he's a weirdo, but after last night's episode, I'm like, Daniel, you're kind of gross. Well, that's the thing is I brought this up And hopefully we'll be able to ask Daniel Some questions later on in the podcast That we do have Daniel online on air But Yeah, and I can't wait for him to respond

To Lacey's comments about The fact that they had like hung out all year long Or at least if they hung out once they hooked up And then they texted throughout the year Well, that's the thing is He almost, he just, he kind of powerplayed it when he came on the show this time. I think he walked in. He was so confident.

He made some crazy comments about women, about sex. And then he, you know, he meets up with Lacey and they have this kind of, I guess, explosion of love. No. There's an explosion of love. Remember? She thought that she was going on a date with him. And he goes, why are you assuming this?

You have to work for it. I still have other women here to talk. do. Okay, I get it. But she was told over. I mean, I remember an episode before that when she was saying her perfect man was Daniel. Oh, that's disgusting. I feel bad for her taste.

What do you mean? I feel bad for her taste in men if her ideal is Daniel. Yeah, she doesn't. That's a good point, actually. I mean, we got to ask about this because it really is. I think he means well, and I think he's trying to be funny. And I would love to just get to the bottom of. Daniel, like, why is sex jokes and comments about your penis the thing that you seem to want to

always communicate? Like, that gets old after a while, and it isn't witty or funny. I want to know why he feels like that's appropriate, because that's just not something that I would be okay with. All right, yeah. Well, I cannot wait to talk to Daniel after we talk to Christina, but first, a moment with our sponsor. Hey, we have an incredible sponsor today.

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You got to keep it tight. Sometimes I think about, like, I will wear sweatpants or yoga pants without underwear, but I do not understand how people can wear jeans without underwear, gross. Well, you know, we said Dean needs some underwear. We have somebody that might be able to tell them to. Is Christina out there? I am. Hi, beautiful girl.

Hi, guys. How are you? Christina, we are very, very happy to have you on today. You are a rock star in Bachelor Nation, and we've never been able to meet in person, but I've watched you from afar. I respect you for what you stand for, and thank you for coming on the Almost Famous podcast today. Thanks for having me. I have been Team Christina since before I even met you, and I met you only briefly at Jade's Baby Shower.

And I just got like the best, sweetest vibes from you. And I just remember telling Dean in Tahoe that weekend before. I was like, I don't know. I think I'm going to be Team Christina. She seems like she's kind of living an experience in paradise that I can strongly relate to. So it was interesting to watch your story unfold. Hey, what's for me, too? I didn't realize I cried that much, but I can relate to you on that.

You cry a lot prettier than I do, for sure. Oh, no. Oh, no. I remember when Alexis turned around back when we were on The Bachelor, and I was like, I need to do that. And I think I tried once, but I got my attention again, so. Ashley's taught me, Christina, that there is this trick for, females on the show that they need waterproof makeup so when you cry you don't look like a raccoon and I don't remember one moment in the show that you were crying that your makeup wasn't still intact so congratulations you succeeded in the admission that I've learned about here recently

yes well thank you very much waterproof mascara that's coming handy christina let's get to the serious stuff for a minute oh god it's totally sometimes sometimes it can be different when you're living it and then you watch it back. Sometimes you see things that you never saw. You especially see interviews and, like, confessionals of people's feelings that can change a lot of the way you view your own story. So how did you feel watching back the episodes this past summer? Well, you know, look, it was actually, like, I was seeing it for the first time as well. So, like, they've seen their interaction and, like, their chemistry, their romance. I was kind of like, oh,

Like, I was there, but I didn't see any of it. So whenever, I think after the pool incident, the next morning, and Robbie was telling Dean about what went down, and Dean was caught off guard. She was like, wait, she was there? She saw this. So, like, in my mind, I was like, wait, was he trying to hide it from me this whole time? So, I mean, I was believing that Dean and I had something,

but I was not seen that he also had something with Danielle until watching it back. well from my point of view maybe I'm a little biased but if I were you watching it back I would think I think he just had a physical attraction to Danielle I don't see this being emotionally deep is that how you felt and did that make you feel better or worse um whenever you have an emotional connection with someone that's always kind of like in a way I don't know if I'm misusing the word probably threatening because like that's how people tend to stay together because physical attraction comes, it goes, but I think intellectual, emotional is what space.

So if I were seeing that while I was in paradise, I would be a little bit more worried. But at the time, I thought it might be just physical attraction. I mean, I've known Danielle since, I guess, actually a limo right up to the Bachelor Mansion. She was in my limo. And spending that time with her in the Bachelor Mansion, I didn't really get to know her really well,

but obviously she's beautiful. So now I'm hearing Dean say that there was more than just physical attraction. I don't know. I'm going on the rant here now. No, no, no. Continue to rant. We love it. But so you're saying that you really were never friends with Danielle.

Even though you guys both got to like top 10, top seven really on next season, you just never were chummy. I mean, she wasn't the person I would text to on a daily like I would with other girls. But she and I were friendly with comment on social media posts. I know we spent a week in Vegas before that. So, I mean, I considered her a friend more than acquaintance, but now, like, best friend. You've had to hang out with her a lot since the whole Paradise thing wrapped, like, you know, throughout August. Even at Jade's baby shower, I had to, I was kind of like spying on your guys' interaction. Because, you know, you're sitting around the same table.

You weren't talking, but there also seemed to not be a totally hostile. situation going on. So how have you dealt with having to be so many places with her? I mean, at some point, it was Raven's birthday, I think, towards the end of July, and I spent like 45, 45, 24 hours with Danielle, and we just, we were having brunch together and all of that and shopping. And it's like we know the discomfort, the awkwardness is there, but neither of us saying anything. So I don't know if I wish now that I have said something or not, but it is what it is now. So you guys did Ellen again. You guys did Ellen as a threesome yesterday. Tell us about how awkward that was. The body language seemed a little off. Oh, yes, yes. So, like, I mean,

just sitting apart. It was, I mean, like, I get awkward, but at the same time, I'm like, I know it's awkward, so let's make the most of it. You know, Being on Ellen, lighthearted, it's fun. And that's the mind that I tried to have. And I know she wouldn't make it super awkward for us, at least I didn't think. But we had the reunion show before that, so that helped. If I was seeing all of them for the first time on the Ellen show, oh boy. That's really super awkward.

I mean, that's the thing, because, you know, like you show up to Ellen and what we don't get to see behind the scenes. is exactly where the relationship is at walking into it. So are you friends with Danielle currently? Are you friends with Dean? Like, where do those relationships stand today? I think that, I mean, the last time I've spoken to Danielle was on the Ellen show. I think I've talked to Dean St. So just I don't have anything against Danielle.

Yes, it's awkward. But I know we'll be a hangout in the same circles in the future. And we'll just have to get all the edge to be on. honest. Same thing, I guess, with being, I just think, I mean, we are young and we are learning. And I know both of them are getting a little backlash, not a little, a lot of backlash on social media. I mean, same for me here and there, but not as much. And, like, I'm not going to burn all my bridges and just be upset with them and be better like that. I just want to write a little bit above and continue talking to those. individuals that is Danielle and Dean how'd you feel yesterday when you heard Dean say that he loved you um well to be honest I think he may have said something like that prior to giving me a rose um when the guys would give it out the roses so I kind of knew where he stood and that's why partially like I stuck around to see like does he mean that

does he feel it and I know a lot of people are like hey why doesn't christine just leave it was for those reasons because I thought I knew how he felt about me so hearing it again it was it kind of melted my heart just a little bit I was but at the same time it's like why now now it's like so much that's happened since and it's always you got to realize it too late does that make you feel like, oh, I'm going to pick up my phone and call him and try to rekindle this. Well, not necessarily. I don't just jump right back in it.

I mean, Christine, I have to ask you, and I don't know if this will make sense, but, you know, I am friends with Dean. I like Dean. I have made that clear. I don't know Danielle at all. But as I'm watching, with all respect to all of you, but as I'm watching Batchamperity, it seems like an emotional rollercoaster for me watching it, I wonder. Just from your perspective, was it as, like, up and down, twisted and turning the whole time for you while you're in it? Or did, like, you know, Dean, I guess what I'm trying to say is Dean last night saying he loved you.

Again, to me, just kind of was like, what in the heck are you doing, man? Like, you're pulling people back into it when you've already let him go. Like, was this an emotional roller coaster for you? I would say not as emotional as watching it back. Whenever I was in the moment, it was just a relationship between my. myself and Dean, I wasn't focused on anyone around me, really, because I was trying to figure out for myself and what am I doing with this. So there were days where he, like, when he asked for his space, I would give it to him. But I would find that, like, you're asking for your space,

but you're just completely, like, taking it and just not talking to me. So I was confused, but whenever I would have conversations with Dean, it was, like, reassuring in the way. So I was, I wasn't as emotional, and I think the cast can back me up on this throughout these days. It's when it was getting to the end of Bachelor in Paradise, things started to kind of go a little crazy, and emotions were running high, and that's when I think I got emotional, and I just had to leave. That's when you had your argument with Raven, and she was kind of showing out some tough love to you, saying that, you know, he's not into it. He's not into it.

You need to give up. You've got to go, right? Yes. Actually, that conversation I was approaching, Raven, to just talk to her and how her and Adam were doing. And it just escalated quickly to you. So at that point, like, I heard what she was saying, and I already had those things in the back of my mind.

Like, I should not have to put up with someone who's not willing to give their all to me. Like, those things are already in the back of my mind. It's just harsh to hear from a friend who says they're my friend, but haven't been there for me. Christina, you knew Raven was right. You just were like, really, I'm already down. Do you have to, like, yell at me and keep saying what I already know? Like, you're not telling me something new. Just like, I don't need to hear it from my friend right now. I need somebody who's just going to listen to me and be sensitive. That's exactly how I felt, to be honest. Like, I knew what she was already saying, because she wasn't the first man to say that. It was just I was holding out, holding out some hope. But I think

I went in a friend because at that point, I was like, what did I even do? Because that pool scenario, like, I literally had no one. I had Robbie. Nothing against Robbie. He was very, he was fantastic around. But you also had Wells. Wells seemed really sweet to you at the bar. He was able to deliver the same advice, but with sensitivity. Yes. Yes, absolutely. And a woman I a lot of chats and I think at some point I even came up to him and I said hey well you've been in these issues before like how would you approach the whole situation he told me like he came on later on and how he's done things and what he regretted if he didn't like if he regretted anything so he was a very good person to talk to about it all can we talk about that Instagram that

dean posted last week with the caption you're out of my league he clarified this week we had this whole discussion last week about like the term out of my league right and what that really means especially coming from a guy who is basically dumped you but he said it's a little secret inside thing between you two can you explain um it's a song that i think we both like um what is it out of my league by fits in detention i think so i mean hey it's a cute photo we talk it during the break uh when shutdown happens but Do you want me to clarify what I think he meant by it? Yeah.

What was going to do? Oh. I don't know. Maybe he really feels like I was out of his league. Although, like, I don't want to be, like, on this pedestal where, like, no one is good enough for me, because that's not true, you know? I know. I mean, the whole situation, Christina, is pretty hard to watch. there's a lot of motion in play here, right?

You have Dean trying to figure himself out, and he has two wonderful people that he's kind of falling for. You're getting spit out of it, right? Like you just said, you felt alone most of the time. And my question to you is, what did you learn looking back on this whole process? I mean, even today, after seeing last night's episode and seeing the finale kind of play out, what have you learned about yourself? What have you learned about this process today? I think we always want to hear what we want to hear

but you'll have to listen for what people are actually saying and I think in those moments I was like hanging on on all the positive things Dean was saying I should have like seen it a little bit more clearly that he was truly like investing his time in someone else and I should have let that happen like in that case I definitely learned not to just hang around as long as I did But, I mean, I learned.

Christina, speaking of learning lessons and moving on, would you ever be the next bachelorette, if asked? If asked to be the next bachelorette, I would have to probably consider when the time comes to it. Because, again, I'm watching Bachelor in Paradise, it was a lot of emotion and just, it kind of, it's hard to see yourself that emotional. I don't know, I think one day opportunity presents itself, if it does, I'll consider it then. But from now on, I have to kind of learn from Bachelor in Paradise and move on from that. So, but Bachelor Red is not until, what, is it March? Yeah. You have some time.

You have some time. Yeah, no, there's a new couple of women are coming in. That's right. And speaking of that, to close to our, Christina, what are your thoughts on Aribeen the next bachelor? Um, no, common. Oh, do you know something we don't? Okay, so no, I don't know our personally, but from the stuff I've heard and, um, I mean, whatever is out there on social media, I know, don't believe everything social media says, but whenever you have pictures, conversations, and proof, it's hard not to. Almost seems like a last-minute decision, but maybe he is ready for,

love and for marriage and that commitment so I wish him the best you think it's just a fallback choice because honestly nobody even thought of him in the running so it's just where did all right come from it's hard not to just think about that but I hope he is a good choice and I think he'll probably I don't know I haven't thought she too much about it Are you attracted to him? I'm not attracted to Rari. My attraction comes from knowing people. Like, you can be pretty on the outside and all of that,

but my attraction really comes from knowing persons and what is saying for. That's a great answer. I mean, that is a great answer. And two people that really got to know each other, but obviously not well enough. Christina, I do have to hear your thought. What about the Robbie and Amanda situation? You're sitting in that room with them. You were there.

You had an up close and personal seat to this whole thing. I mean, this feud is getting wacky. What's your thoughts today on it? Okay, so Amanda and Robbie. I was there throughout the whole progression of their relationship in paradise. And Robbie and I had many conversations, and I do think he has a good heart, and eventually he does one that committed relationship. but he just hasn't found the right girl, I guess. And Amanda's sweet in her own way, and she wants that, too.

It's just, I don't think Robbie should have called Amanda his girlfriend and gone to Colorado and those pictures to be out. There's always room for interpretation when it comes to pictures, but whenever you're that close to another female and you have a girlfriend, that's just not acceptable. It doesn't matter whether you're making out or being that close to another female when you have a girlfriend. That's no. That's not for me. It's not good.

I guess it's kind of crazy because that's the real world, but yet you had the same thing kind of happened to you in paradise. And I just can't imagine how difficult that is. And then to come out and have to talk about it all the time people like Ashley and I, I'm sorry that you have to do that, but we like hearing from you. So thank you for coming on to almost famous podcast and talking to us about this crazy world that we all kind of live in. Well, thank you, guys, for having me. I know kind of trying to answer the question to the best of my ability, but it's just still so fresh, kind of both reunion and all. But, yeah. You're a special on Christina.

Thank you so much. Thank you, guys. I really appreciate it. Thank you, Tina. Bye. Okay, bye. She's so cute. She's so warm.

like we take it so serious but it's hard not to take take things serious when you talk to somebody like that because they have such a big heart and you can tell that she really invested herself into this and the whole time I'm sitting here listening to her and I'm just like my you just got to love that girl she cares so much you can tell you guys let's create a hashtag Ben and Christina that'll be Ben Dita oh my gosh but you guys I think Ben might like Christina let's couple them up

Oh, let's come him up. You know, I think, I mean, honestly, what isn't to like about it? Like, from any perspective, I sit here, and I watch her, and she's obviously beautiful, and I listen to her, and she cares. And so, yeah, you know what? I think she's amazing. I don't know where from, I don't, I've never met her in person, but we can start that hashtag, if you like. This is a step.

I'm just excited. For Ben kind. A giant step for Ben kind. you're ridiculous all right ashley you have something to talk about and it's not christina and i so move on oh my gosh he's so flustered that he can't even transition into the zola ad like he usually does flawlessly so i will let him have his blushing moments and i will tell you all about zola which is something that derrick and taylor should totally try being that they are now an engaged couple congrats to them. Zola is a wedding registry that will do anything for love.

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so if Zola offers an easier way to thank you notes I'm in let's do it that's so funny my mom still like it's Christmas time she'll write out a list of people I need to send thank you notes too when does that stop 30 it's terrible I can't you just text them um actually you got me all flustered and i didn't know how to react i i apologize for for being off my a game there but you you you just say things sometimes that make me giggle so um we got we got to keep moving forward here we have a really great episode uh for you with some really special guests today and one of them is one of the most controversial character in paradise one that I have a lot of tough questions for um I don't dislike this man

but I dislike some of the comments he makes Daniel M the Canadian you're out there we got some tough questions throughout you are you ready I am ready yeah how's it going oh my goodness Daniel Daniel it's been so long actually you were on my other podcast recently talking about your favorite topic sex um why you don't have sex so much um are you talking about on the show yeah um i think but you as you know we've both been on some tv shows um kind of like with ben and his dog that's kind of editing um i don't really talk about my at all really i mean maybe a minute a day you know sort of thing um but that being said uh you know sex is a big thing in life and uh i think a lot of people shy away from it um and sex is great why not talk about it

I'm pretty open about it. I'm a sexual person, but yeah, I know when I was watching this season and I saw something like the parts of me, I'm just like, oh, God, they should like bring, they should like using that part, you know, it's funny how like, out of all, you know, I talk about my dad once in a while and I've never, out of any of the shows I've been on, never have they ever brought up me talking about my dad, being in a wheelchair and, you know, what that's brought on for me and my family and how, you know, I've looked after, never ever have they aired that, you know, just goes back to editing. which I'm okay with. I don't care. I know how they, you know, do shows and whatnot, and I know how they want to portray me. That's why I kind of play it up. But, yeah, I know.

I don't really care about, you know, that sort of thing. Speaking of playing. Same with your crying. They kind of played out as well. Like, you know, it's not like you're crying 24 hours a day sort of thing. It's kind of, you know, the editing sort of thing, right? I don't know. You were there in Paradise last year.

I cried pretty much 24-7 last year. Yeah, I don't know. I've seen it once, maybe, but. was the awkwardness last night because of editing like on the couch yeah um yeah so when i want i i had a 50% chance i thought about 50% chance who's going to bring it up and i told her before and i'm like you like yeah you can you can bring it you can say that you know say what you know do what you do like you can do whatever you want i really don't care but you know it's gonna mean it depends on on how they added it you know it's really kind of up to them but i really don't care i you know we

talked long story short if you want the long story no no we want the long story okay yeah let's go because i got time okay yeah we did too tell us from the moment you met to the moment you started coupling up with her in paradise okay so we met last year at viny's birthday party so it was like last october we met for the day or the night and she said then it's funny she said that we hooked up the only thing we've ever done is kiss we've done nothing else but kiss um so that's one thing um so that's one thing So, yeah, we met last year. Yeah, we had a good time, and we stayed in contact a little bit at the beginning,

or a bunch of the beginning, but then, you know, how, like, anything, kind of things fade off because, you know, she lives in New York and I live in Vancouver, so, you know, it's kind of not she was dating people, I've dating people, but it wasn't like, like, we're anything, you know, we're just kind of friends, and we stayed in touch, and then as we came up, we're like, okay, well, you know, I figured let's get back in touch because of the possibility we might, you know, running to each other on Paradise. And so we talked more and we were going to know each other more. And we Skyped a couple times and everything was cool.

And, yeah, I liked her. And she's an awesome girl. She's a smart girl. She has a big heart. And so we got along. And then the second time I saw her was at Paradise. And so I went there hoping that she was going to be there. And she was.

And I had a good time with her. You know, I could have, when I got there, I had the rose. I could have given to anyone. I could have to give to any girl. But, you know, I liked the Lacing the most. And so I gave it to her. And then she gave me her rose. And again, it was funny, like, I remember when the girls had the rose power that the second time around.

I think Jasmine was, like, flirting with me. I'm like, what are you doing? I think I just got back from, like, the wrestling date. And I was just, like, does you know, I'm kind of like with Lacey? And, like, so what I'm saying is, like, I'm pretty sure because I got a rose from me with someone else. I'm not trying to be cocky, but, like, I don't think it would have been impossible. But so anyways, then, so I was there for five days, as you know, like, things are short. so I was only there for five days

and yeah my feelings were pretty good but I knew I had a feeling that yeah she liked me more you know everyone kind of knew that she liked me a lot she was waiting for me and whatnot and so yeah we went to the fanningstreet or Chris was like going to go to the finance suite I'm like yeah of course I mean who doesn't want to go to a nice

air conditioning $20,000 room you know to spend an extra a couple days in Paradise and also because I was only there for four I had only been there for four days so wanted to spend more time with Lacey and I get to hang out and whatnot. So, yeah, there's no sex.

So, I mean, that's, I don't know, there's some rumors that we had sex, but no sex. We hung on and talk and whatnot. And then as for, like, the whole, like, I said this. And then when the cameras were off, I said that. Well, first off, as you guys both know, when the cameras are on, it's like, sometimes it's hard, like, you know, you kind of in the moment and you're kind of getting caught up and stuff. And, you know, when I said I was falling for, like, yeah, I wasn't falling in love. I never ever said those words.

I was falling for, I didn't know, I started to like her a lot. And she's, but I didn't even know what she said, I love you. She never said that to my face. She said that off camera. So when I was watching this past, this season, she said that, I was like, oh, my God, I didn't know that. I knew she liked me a lot, but I never knew she loved me. So that was all new to me. And then we, um, the other way the cameras went away.

And, you know, the next morning, I'm like thinking about it more because we, then we spent, so that, that was like, was a Tuesday night. We, we hung out like a Spanish sweet. then we also spend all Wednesday together and Wednesday night, you know, so we're on like days basically six or seven now hanging out and we're getting to know each other more and whatnot and then and then things were more realistic

and, you know, maybe I should have been more realistic than before, but you know, I was getting all caught up in it and I was kind of said to her like, listen, you know, I live in Vancouver, you live in New York and let's be realistic. I still want to see you and you know, I still, you know, would be jealous and not be happy if, you know, you were hooking up some guy and I was like, I'm a girl, but

I was hesitant to label us as, you know, boyfriend and girlfriend. And then when I joke down, you know, change the Facebook status thing. That's kind of what it was like more of a joke because I know a lot of people joke about that sort of thing on, you know, social media or whatnot. Anyway, so then after that, we parted away and everything.

We were on good terms and she went to New York and I went to Vancouver. And I told her how I'm coming to New York to do media for a matchmaker and Paradise and stuff. So I was there for six nights. And I told her the very first. very first night that I was going to, me and Vinie had an appearance on a nightclub, and I said to her, like, yeah, come along. You could come. And, but as you know, these appearances, like, I can't be making out of Lacey and I can't be holding hands with her. I

got to be, like, chit-chatting with the girls. And, you know, it's kind of like a job in a sense. I got to be friendly and hang out with everyone to take pictures and why not. And so she didn't like that, obviously, because she thought I was just pushing her aside. But, again, I can't be doing that. You know, it's like I've done a lot of these appearances where you show up and, you know, you have pictures after pictures. And again, you can't have. have a girl hanging, your girlfriend hanging off you just doesn't work like that. It's, um, you know, I don't know what, I don't know if that's what's happy with what happened with Robbie the night, but anyways. Um, and then I was, again, I was, she's like, oh, I only

spent one, you only spent one hour with me. Um, again, that's a little bit of exaggeration. Maybe a couple hours, but, um, I mean, me and we never got to see, we never got to saw anyone else besides our, uh, each other because we were doing from basically the morning to night. we never had any time to any time to sight see any time to relax I used the gym a couple times in my condo but I had no time to see anyone else

and so she obviously wasn't too happy with that and that's kind of when we decided you know that we're best just being friends and you know as time went on over the last month or tune we kind of realized like I think she's an awesome girl I think she's super bright

she a good person good heart and deserves the best And, but I think I'm just, we're just different people, um, you know, I'm a little more liberal. Um, she's a little more traditional. She wants something, you know, the whole, you know, husband and wife right away. And she wants the kids and house moms or still like, you know, busy, you know, living my life. And we're just, uh, you know, just, I think we're just different. And so we kind of learned that. And I, you know, it was good to cut it off when we did instead of dragging it on for, um, TV sake. You know, I could have, you know, I could have. you know, said, oh, no, you know, I love you, you know, the last couple months and let's, you know, be together for TV's sake and for media sake. And then, you know, three, four months down the road ended like, you know, a lot of couples do-do, you know, from the national nation. But, you know, I didn't want to leader on for months and months, which I didn't.

And I also told her at one point, I think I said on the finale, which I did as well on a couple times in person. Like, you couldn't, you could have came to Vancouver. I told you to come. But at that point, she was. kind of over it, but I did ask her to come to Vancouver to hang out and spend some time with me, but so that's a long story short

there. That is the long story long story. Well, you are a long story, so that's the long story long story. I'm glad you, we really don't have any more questions for you. You basically answered everything in there. That's what it basically was. I mean, that's and they edit it however they want

and I don't care. I'm cool with that. I knew right away from, you know, being on the batch right, how they edit things and what they want to show and same with Paradise. And So I'm kind of cool with that, you know. It's like you have to be comfortable with that and you've got to be confident and not really care, which works all for me. As a girl who's fallen for a lot of guys who haven't exactly caught me, I feel like this is a classic story where like the girl has her own story and the guy has his own story and like both of them are pretty legit. It's just that the entire time they weren't seeing eye to eye.

You know what I mean? You're true. You know, that's the thing. I'm not saying she, I'm not saying she was wrong or. I'm right or whatever, we just, she was feeling like, I did not know she was in love with me. That was like, when I saw my jaw, I was like, oh, my God, I didn't know about it. Like when we were talking in the fantasy switch, I'm pretty sure if you just said, um, I'm falling for you and like sort of thing, you know, the camera's there.

You're just kind of, I was kind of nervous, you know. It's different when the cameras are there ready, waiting for you to like talk and when you're just like, when you're just like, you know, doing your thing like this when you're like playing around. But, yeah, you know, I got no hard feelings. Oh, I think she's an awesome girl. And that's why I went there. But as time went on, I just kind of learned that, you know, we're just not meant for each other. You know, I don't want to pretend to be someone I'm not.

And I'm not going to lead her on for months for our media sake. You know, yeah, like some people might think I did the wrong thing or I did later on or whatever. But, I mean, you could think whatever you want nearly, you know. And I get it. Like, the show is tough to live through, and it's obviously a sensitive situation at times. And we just heard a lot of the things that you felt like you did right in this process. My question is, what did you do wrong? We all make mistakes, you know, throughout life.

And one of the best things you can do is learn from those. So throughout this whole process during Bachelor in Paradise, what mistakes did you make and what have you learned more about yourself in what situation did you learn more about yourself? Um, I mean, as you, as both you are well, well aware, like, when you're on the show and the camera's on, you're kind of caught up in this, you know, putting it on for producers, putting it on for the audience, putting it on for everyone. Also, I don't want to be real to myself. And it's like, sometimes the, it's kind of gray area where it's like, I don't know what, you know, am I saying it for who am I saying it for myself? I try to be real for most of the time. And, you know, maybe I got caught up in, like, being there. but also the whole situation of being on Paradise, it's like utopia where there's no distraction in the sense of there's no other, like, Lacey didn't have another guy going after. I didn't have to compute for another guy.

We weren't having to worry about work in the next day or nothing like that. It was all like, when you're at Paradise, it's easy for everything to be perfect, you know? And at least for me and Lacey there, it was easy. So then once the cameras went away and once, you know, it was just me and her, and it was just like, oh, okay, well, you're leaving tomorrow, I'm leaving tomorrow, We're not kind of like, the whole, it was like a shock. And I was like, okay, well, you know, it was kind of like we had a whole day in a bit to think about it.

And then July, as we were talking, talking forth on Skype and Facebook, we're just like, it's just sometimes hard. So the mistake, sometimes it's hard. My mistake would probably be, you know, as you're well aware, I mean, most people are well aware that I play it up for camera sake to, you know, make people laugh or to get a reaction that maybe I got to like, like be careful on you know for girls emotions like but again i didn't i don't know i just didn't i wasn't trying to be malicious in any way um you know i think

i was you know i was doing fairly well until i guess the very last a little bit where you know she took it the wrong way but i you know i said anything i said on the couch she didn't say this but the initial this but i said oh sorry like i sorry you know i you felt this way i saw you that you know this happened i didn't mean it to be like that yeah i feel like um Just on my experiences on Paradise, Paradise, like on the show is when both storylines come together. And you're like, oh, that was her side of the story and that was his side of the story. Yeah. And then when you go on the reunion show, you kind of really talk that out in the differences between you two.

So after you talked it out on the reunion show, how was it backstage with Lacey? Well, yeah, going on that, like when Dean, just thinking about, I remember when Dean said, he didn't realize, like, what some of the things that could, like, how affects. that Christina was all the crying like he didn't realize he didn't see the interviews he didn't like I didn't realize again with the stuff that Lacey was saying about me either and so like I said when me and Lacey we had over the last like July we were talking about everything I've been saying rambling on for the last 20 minutes

I've been me and Lacey having conversation going back and forth and like she kept on saying like it wasn't only five days long like because she said that we've been talking like the last year but you know what it's like talking over text message where you like it's not intimate it's not personal it's just like you know it's just unless you're skyping every day that's a lot a different story but so she felt like a bigger bond over that last year while me it's just like i only had that five days like i was there for five days and it's just it was just hard for me to you know

even though i did feel a good connection it wasn't enough but so when i saw her on the coat and then the second time i saw her was in uh new york and then i saw and then i saw the reunion and so So, yeah, it was a little bit awkward, especially when I walked in. I felt like I was walking to a frickin' lines then, but I wasn't 100% surprised. So, you know, I was a little bit ready, but I'd been drinking for the last three hours. I was bored on my mind, as you guys know how it's a lot of downtime. But, so actually, I didn't even get to see her behind us afterwards because we had to talk to the psych and we had to grab her stuff.

And I didn't see, I only saw maybe 10 people. I didn't see her at all. So I haven't seen her since I haven't seen her since on the couch there. Oh, that's interesting. You've brought up a topic that I think would be great for us to talk about on the podcast. Do girls blow up certain things in relationships? Like we texted every day or like he told me this. Do we focus too much on it and make it too big of a deal?

Oh, yeah. Or do guys downplay little things like texting every day? and when he said this or that. I think it goes both ways. Like a lot of it, like, I think it gets blown in proportion, especially on TV, like, I mean, it gets blown in proportion and everyone has their opinion. You know, for example, you know, obviously I check my standoff on my DM, you know, we got to make sure that I keep it down to zero.

So I every day check on it. But, you know, 90% of people said, like, we're agreeing with me yesterday, but then you also have people riding underneath my pictures and somewhere in green. Everyone's going to have a different opinion. and it depends on how I'm edited. It depends on what age you are. It depends if you're a liberal or if you're a conservative. You know, it depends on, you know, what side do you want to believe, you know?

So I think it's a good question, though. I think a lot of guys I talk to kind of say, like, you know, some lot of girls should make them into a bigger deal and actually is. I don't know if it's true or not, but what do you think? I think it's just something that I would like to explore further. I mean, maybe it's just the person who's more invested in the relationship normally blows up, quote, quote, details. And then the person that's less invested, usually downplays little things like that. I think that's true as well.

And that was another issue with being on the show that. That was my bloody Bachelorette and then at Paradise, and then Mashmakers, Slavity, and then back on Paradise. So, like, at that point, I was kind of learning, like, how TV is and I know what it's all about. and I know what the producers like and I know it gets the reaction from the fans so it's kind of like while it was still new to Lacey so she took it maybe more serious than I did, you know? All right, well, it seems like you really were able

to describe your side of the story on this podcast. So I feel like you feel in a sense of relief to get that off your chest after all the hate you must have gotten from social media yesterday? Well, I didn't, I don't really look down much. Like I said, I just checking my Instagram mostly. And I was surprised A lot of people

Like, we're positive You know, you do get some negative as well But I am Yeah, I mean In a day, I really don't care Like, say, for example, I posted a clip about me talking with Blake about her d'Ix

Because it was quite funny, actually, I thought I mean, this goes to show you I don't really care that much That's, yeah I mean, at the day At the day, I like to have fun I like to make people laugh And that's why, you know, I keep going back in these shows

because I keep getting asked, and it's all about fun, it's all about TV. You can see how you edit, like, Paradise. They kind of edit it with the music and the background noise. It's kind of like a kind of slapstick satire. And so that's why, you know, it kind of works well for me because I can play into it. But you can't take it too serious. I mean, you know, there obviously are some real relationships that form from it,

and that's great. And, I mean, you've got to be super happy for the people. that, you know, do get these relationships out of them, but at the same time, you know, it's a true reality TV show. You get out fun out there, right? Well, I mean, and that's the point I tried to bring up earlier is it can be all fun in games, and it can be lighthearted, and it can be funny, and it can be comical at times, but there's real emotions at play.

And one of the things that you've learned or that you messed up on is from here and out on these shows I hope personally as a viewer and as a fan to watch you show some more personal care for emotions because I think that does that becomes a huge part of this experience for people and it sounds like as this gone as the seasons that you've been a part of have gone on you're starting to see that this can be real this can be important but around the but along the ride along with everything it can be fun and fun is something that Ashley and I really like to have. And we know all about fun from one of our sponsors, Fab Fit Fun.

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you're going to get $10 off your first box. I've noticed, I mean, I got to spend the week with you in Tahoe, and it is true. Ashley does ice her face to keep the swelling down. I never knew that was a thing. But somebody else that we know needs to have a little ice because they got burned last night on social media, and that's Robbie. Robbie got burned by Amanda. And Ashley, I need to hear your take on this whole situation. I don't know what's happening.

Do you think it's true? If it is true, what the heck is Robbie doing? And then if it's not true, why is Amanda calling him out on social media? I need to hear your thoughts because this is getting weird and we have, we get to watch it all kind of play out right now. Oh my gosh. I'm obsessed with Amanda. You should have seen our messages this morning. We didn't use words.

We just used gifts to communicate. she rocked her Taylor Swift today she was Taylor Swift he last day on Instagram posted on his story a little rant about how Amanda plays the victim he made it seem like

she puts herself out there she you know somebody not Amanda by name but somebody puts herself out there as this sweet completely innocent person but in real life she has to take She has to admit that she's part of the problems in this relationship.

And not just this one, but her past bachelor-esque relationships. Robbie was basically saying on his insta story that why was Amanda sitting there next to him listening to the twins preach false allegations of something that may have happened on a business trip in Colorado when Amanda supposedly knew that that that was false news, fake news. Okay? And now in retaliation this morning, Amanda posted for the world to see the Instagram message that she got from a random fan in Colorado of Robbie being snuggly with a strange female. This is getting heated. In either way, you know, we don't know the internet says it's inappropriate to post this stuff for the public to see. I mean, I get what

Robbie's trying to do, right? He feels like he needs to defend himself. He feels like he's getting attacked and that he needs his side of the story to be told, right? Well, he got his moment for that on the reunion. That was why that whole thing was set up. Tell the world about it then. But to post it on social media now is immature. Wait, which side? Which side do you think is immature? Both. I think both are immature. I think I don't think there's any place for this kind of action in our world, right? I mean, they've dated each other. There's obviously hard feelings. Breakups suck. They're terrible. No matter who you are, what your relationship

status is. When you leave a relationship, it is hard, and there's tough feelings that are involved. Don't spread it. You know, just handle it amongst your friends and your family and the people you can fight in. But here's the weirdest part to me, Ashley, and I got to ask you about this. So I'm reading Robbie's message, and I don't know Robbie. Honestly, he's probably a fine find human being but it's so weird to me it's so weird to me how these people and it's happened the last couple weeks with multiple people in vaccination they compliment themselves i am a good person i am a caring person i love people well i invest myself into relationships this kind these kind of things are just odd to me why you give yourself compliments let others give you compliments

if they're not giving you compliments there's a reason why they're not giving you compliments And something I didn't even think while reading that and thanks for bringing it to my attention because that is absolutely ridiculous. I guess I I guess their explanation to why they're making this so public is because their relationship started on TV and was a public thing. Hence why everybody releases a statement when they end up breaking up with a person that they ended up with on The Bachelor of The Bachelorette. Right? So maybe that's why they're they're feuding in public. Yeah, I mean, fine. Fuse, no.

Actually, this is just something that's happened over the last couple weeks with people that have been on Baxter in Paradise. They seem to defend themselves. Like, there's this obvious reaction to negative criticism. If it's blaming editing, which you and I've been able to discuss, they edit some things, they don't add to others. So they blame editing, or they blame the moment, or they blame being sucked up in the situation, or they blame having too big of a heart and they care too much. This kind of stuff needs to stop. Own up to your mistakes.

Well, that's the thing. And just like I asked Daniel there, be able to stay back. You heard how uncomfortable he got when I said, hey, what did you do wrong? He couldn't hardly answer. Like, we all make mistakes. We're not perfect. And the best thing we can do in these experiences learn from them. And if we're not learning from them, what's the point?

Because very few people walk out of this with a relationship. You've got to hand it to Dean for admitting yesterday that he has made a mistake. and for the girls not to blame each other regarding like all their anger and hostility in the situation but to blame him that's nice i want to know what you guys think of these feuds and social media it's so embarrassing it's literally to me an older person it makes me cringe why why are people making this so public well it really it started with robbie if robbie should have admitted that he if he didn't want this to happen he probably should admitted on the show last night that he did something wrong in Colorado because I actually think that he really did.

And now he's trying to hide it and he's trying to say that the twins are lying and I don't think the twins are lying. Well, what about Ben? Ben, what do you think about the twins jumping in? That was weird to me too. I love the twins. But like, wait a minute. Isn't it Amanda and Robbie? I would say it's not their battle.

And I get that they're good friends and I get that they love Amanda. But I would think that in that situation, it is. respectful for anybody else. And let's not just call up the twins here, right? It's not anybody's business really on social media either. This is Robbie and Amanda's relationship to work through, work on, and bring up tough situations. That they're adults, they can do that. And so I don't like that other people kind of called, made, brought up the situation because maybe Robbie and Amanda weren't ready to talk about it.

And, you know, that's kind of the part that I didn't love. But, yeah, again, I mean, what do we think about the feud? Like, I don't think this should be going on in the public. I don't think we should be watching. But what do I find myself doing? Updating my Twitter to check Amanda and Robbie's Twitter every five minutes to see if anything else got posted because darn it, this is good stuff. Okay, whether or not you guys are, you know, fans of it being in public,

can we please give Amanda props for the caption of her tweet today? There was a picture of him in Colorado with the girl. and then the caption said, look what you made me do. It was amazing. That part was funny, but she did some videos last night, that then she deleted that I thought were weird. It's just too much. And these people don't have a filter.

Like, it's almost like they need a mommy to say, oh, read it before you post it, you crazy people. Oh my gosh, but I just can't talk because I've been so guilty of this in the past. Like, I have been so guilty of not being able to shut up. No, but I know this. Like, I will admit that I, like, Like, I'm so guilty of feeding into the drama on social and being like, no, my side of the story needs to be heard. Like, I've said so many things.

And now, like, in recent past, I've just been quiet. And I'm like, I guess this is how you win by being quiet. Well, you know, I think there's a great Bible verse that talks about being kind to your enemies is the most beneficial practice to kind of win that. battle and I think it's true is if you take the higher road and you become if you're kind you forgive then then your enemies have no no ground to stand on against you and unfortunately now and I don't think this is ending soon and I told you both that earlier this feud is not ending soon because their their battle is it seems like it's just beginning right there has to be closure to it and I don't see either of them asking for closure anytime soon and I hope for their sake and for

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That's B-I-O-C-L-A-R-I-T-Y dot com. Make sure you answer our code famous. All right. Well, you guys have loved our segment. Who the heck are you during this Paradise Season? And while I really, really would love to do a Who the Heck Are You with Ari? because a lot of you don't know who our new Bachelor is. You never watched his season with Emily.

We're not going to be able to do that. So we have somebody who you also may not be very, you just may not really know this guy. But he seems sweet and he's definitely a favorite of the guys and girls that were in paradise this season. So Ben, take it away with your great enthusiasm. All right, everybody. Hey, Iggy, you're out there, but who the heck are you?

What's up? I mean, I think I'm pretty cool. I'm sure you do, man. A lot of people tell me you're the life of the party. I actually have a mutual friend that has worked for you in Chicago. That's dangerous that you have that much personal information on me now. I do, and so watch out for these questions. But, Iggy, we've got to know, we ask everybody that comes into this segment of who the heck are you.

Like, who are you, man? Explain yourself, what things are you on? How do people know you? And let's end it with my favorite question today. What is the biggest lesson, or what's the biggest mistake you've made in your time on the Bachelor franchise? Sure. So Iggy Rodriguez, born and raised in Southern California, Los Angeles, specifically living in Chicago, was on the Bachelorette season. The most recent one with Rachel and the most recent season of Bachelor in Paradise as well.

It's been a blast, man. You know, I think that the life of the party thing doesn't necessarily come through. It certainly didn't come through during Rachel's season. I think I was sort of type cast as the dude that talked about other dudes, which is a really unfortunate situation. But as you guys will know, I think there are a lot of stories that can be created out of the content that you produced during the course of your time on the show. And that was sort of the role that I played. I kind of played role with dad in the house. I'm 30, but I feel like I'm like 30 going on 40 a little bit in terms of some of the maturity stuff. I've run my own business. As you mentioned, I think you've had

a friend of yours work for me. And I've done a whole lot of stuff in 30 years. And I just kind of ended up taking on the, I guess, the moderator of the house role. And that sort of turned into this negative perception, which really sucked. But on the other side, I do think I'm pretty cool. And I made a lot of really good friends as a result of being on the show on both shows. And, you know, I think I'm trying to, especially going on Paradise. I was just trying to show that like that more authentic, loose and kind of funny side of myself. Okay, wait, I wanted, I need to know.

Like, were you annoyed at yourself while watching Rachel's season? Because you were like so annoying. Yeah, you know, they were, it was tough to watch. You know, I even, I contacted the producers and I was like, guys, like this. This is hard for me to see, you know? Like, I remember watching it and being, like, getting text messages from my friends that know me really well. And they were like, hey, man, that's a lot of great look. And I'm like, yeah, dude, I know.

Like, I'm watching it with you. I know it's not a great look. Yeah, it's tough. You know, it wasn't the most fun watching that playback. But you learn so much about yourself and the process and about, you know, kind of interacting with other people throughout the course of this thing. And I wouldn't take it back. You know, what I do things a little differently, yeah, for sure, but I wouldn't take the experience back. I mean, that's refreshing.

I got to tell you this because Ash and I just got done with a little bit of a conversation about how very few people, in general, in life, not just a franchise in life, can admit their mistakes and admit when they've messed up and admit they can learn something from it and walk away and say, yeah, I didn't do that perfectly, but I would do it again because I learned something. And it goes back to my first question with you, what is the biggest mistake or what is the biggest thing you've learned? learn along this journey that you've been a part of. Yeah, I mean, again, you know, kind of being typecast as the person that has conversations about other people. I think that was, that first and foremost, right, is sort of kind of staying in your lane, so to speak, and really focusing on you and the relationship with the person you're speaking with.

And candidly, that can be really difficult at times because there are moments during my conversations with Rachel where she would straight up, you know, she sat down and looked at me, looked at me in the eyes that I really trust you. you know, you're someone that is really liked in the house, I want your opinion about this person. The difficulty there is that most people don't see that interaction, right? You only see the communication where I say something, and it seems like, you know, I was doing it either for disingenuous reasons or to kind of put myself ahead or bring somebody down. So trying to clear that up has been really difficult because obviously people see what they see

and then that interpretation of that content stays with you forever and ever. But if I had to do that again, I mean, certainly would be much more steadfast and kind of staying in my own lane, so to speak, and really focusing on our own progression. And that certainly has kind of bled into, call it, quote, unquote, real life, right? Just the way that you approach people, the way that you have conversations about, you know, other individuals that might be friends with or not friends with, and really respecting everyone's space is something that was certainly the thing that came that really, really, you know, sort of. I was focusing on after that, the difficulty of watching it play back was just, you know, being, being conscious of the things that you say about the people that you, that you think, and the people you say them, too, is a really big deal. You are spot on, man. I will tell you this. I was not expecting to get an answer like that.

Not because I know you, and we've never met, but just because it's very rare to have somebody be that vulnerable and honest. So, you know, kudos to you for taking this experience and understanding that, yeah, you might not have won't. walked away with the relationship, but you walked away learning something by yourself and hopefully becoming a better person. That is something that Ashley and I talk about all the time, and we respect that. Biggie, man, we appreciate you coming on the podcast. Thank you so much for joining us. We have to go because we are running out of time, but, man, keep doing you,

and I look forward to probably watch you on a couple more Bachelor franchise shows here in the near future. Yeah, we'll see what happens. I appreciate the few minutes, guys. I've talked about you. Yeah, I like you so much more after just hearing you talk here. Look what a TV show can do to someone. That's right. That's right.

Thanks, guys. All right, have a good amendment. All right, cool. Later. Ashley, this is the end of our podcast, and it's also the end of our Bachelor in Paradise season. But just because Bachelor in Paradise is over doesn't mean we are, right, Ashley? Right. You guys, we're going to be back next week. And we're going to be talking more about love and relationships and, of course, our Bachelor family. And that'll be the start of season three of the Almost Famous Podcast. I'm really excited to start talking about stuff that maybe is not necessarily what happened yesterday, but what happens in our lives.

That's right. Yeah. So please all of you listeners out there, email us, tweet us, Instagram message us with iTunes. ideas and topics to talk about Ashley and I will be coming back to you next week to talk about everything out there in the world. But until then, this has been Ben. And this has been Ashley. On the Almost Famous Podcast, we appreciate you. Keep your powder dry. What? Follow the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcast on IHartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.