The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - S3 #13 While the Hosts are Away

Episode Date: December 13, 2017

While Ben and Ashley are dispatched to a secret Bachelor location...guest host Vanessa Grimaldi takes over the studio.  She opens up about her breakup with Nick Viall and what it’s like to be dating again.  She is also joined by by best friend Danielle M. and Becca Tilley to discuss the world as she knows it.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast with IHartRadio. Hey guys, I'm Vanessa Grimaldi. I'm filling in for Ben and Ashley this week. Oh, wait, hold on. That is your cue, Amy. So sorry. I know, I took my candy out of my mouth for that. So, hey, guys, this is Amy, and Ben and Ashley are at a secret location that I can't reveal.

So Vanessa, I begged her and begged her. I really did beggar and beggar to guest host this week. And then we grabbed Becca Tilly, who's here to. Was I that hard to beg? I was going to say, wow, aren't? No, but you were, Vanessa has a busy schedule, and so I had to sort of say, okay, how about this day at this time? This week worked out for me. I told you, I, you know, I made it work.

So for people that don't know, Vanessa, tell everybody a little bit about yourself. Oh, I'm Canadian and I'm no longer engaged. Oh, so she was on Nick's season. Oh, yes, I was on Nick's season. She was the winner. Do you call yourselves winners? No. I don't know.

I like to say, you know, I fell in love with the lead. I don't like using the word winner because then that would mean I'm a loser now. Well, it seems so weird, too, to be, I won him. I was a loser. I was a loser twice. No. I mean, I lost. We didn't lose.

You just didn't end up with. Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, I know you mean. I lost the guy. How's that? Yeah. Yeah. Well, you were on Chris's season and Ben's season.

Yeah. But it's like, I think people don't. And you can speak way more about this because you got engaged and now you're single. But the pressure of being in a relationship in public. It's tough. First of all, being in a relationship period is hard. But imagine just like, first of all, you're on, as you know, like you're filming for two months or however long you're on it for. And you're stripped away from like everything.

How painful is that? It's tough. I mean, like when I first went on, I think I spoke about this on my first date with him. literally the two weeks before I went on the show I found out my my grandfather had like a heart attack and so he was fine he was sent home and then two weeks before we started filming um he passed away and that was really tough because it was my first grandparent that passed away at that point i still had all four and we're such a close family like when we grew up my parents are divorced now but before they got divorced my entire family lived on the same street and they didn't show this

but i brought nick on my on my street where we grew up so we had like a house on one was my grandmother's house. The house attached it was her daughter. Then the other house was her aunt. My other cousin, my first cousin, two families from Italy. My other grandmother, my first cousin, and then my house. Wow. Did you think about not going on the show? Yeah. So once, you know, I remember I was at the funeral and I was like in a black stretch limo when we all had roses and I was like, oh my God, this feels so weird. Like I don't know if I feel ready to go on the show and leave my family behind and there was just so much going on. And then my grandmother was placed in a nursing home too.

So it was a lot of big change. And then my family's like, you know what? You never do anything for yourself. Why don't you just see, go on it. You know, if you're having that much of a hard time, come back home. So at least I knew I had the support of my family going on. And then literally the minute I landed, they came to pick me up. They put you up in a hotel at that point.

You don't get to see anyone who, any of the girls that are on the show. You get to me like a few producers. So you're up in your hotel room. Alone. And they, alone. And they're like, all right, they pull out like this Ziploc bag and like, well, put all your electronics in here. And I was like, and the goody two shoes that I am, I put like my iPod, my iPod shuffle, my earphones. I put everything. I'm like, I don't want to get in trouble. So I literally put everything inside.

And at that point, my sister wasn't feeling well. So there was like, there was so much going on. Do you have TV at that point still? Yeah, we did. Yeah, we had TV. But it's tough. I mean, like, every decision I make, I call my sister. I'm like, oh, should I get? this black jacket or this purple jacket you know like I and now I'm like oh do I get engaged to this guy I wouldn't like that one bit having no contact Becca how did you deal with that I I mean it was hard not talking to my family because we're really close but I kind of loved being like separated from my phone yes it felt very therapeutic to just be present and be in the moment I remember

that was the first time I started journaling and I was looking over my journal the other day and like the first journal entry was the walls have wallpaper I'm like wow I don't know how to journal I'm terrible. I was just to say, mine was so bad. I did it like two days, and I'm like, this is terrible.

Yeah, yeah. I won't name names, but I have heard about people sneaking phones into the Bachelor. Ooh.

That they, I won't name names, but they bring a dunny phone, and then they bury in their luggage, another phone, and then they can,

super smart. I did that on Vincy. You did? Oh my God, you badass. But I had music on there and so I listened I literally would just I would just put my I was even so scared I knew like my old I was dumb and gave them my phone that had service on it instead of giving

them my old I don't know why I thought I thought if I'm going to be suspicious I have to give them the newer version smart right well I would have almost got out and bought a phone and given them that so it seems so real I'm surprised you know more people don't do that they do everyone gets caught I I mean I don't think anyone did on our season to tell you the truth. I was so scared to the point where I knew Danielle was in another room. I knew her room number

and I was so scared to even call her on like the phone. Danielle M? Yeah. Okay. How old you know? Well, I mean, not like night one, but like every once in a, like,

so I knew like Taylor was in another room and I'm like, oh my God, I want to go knock on her door, but I'm scared to get, I'm scared one of the handlers because they're really, like, they're on the ball with like, always.

They know where you're at. Yeah. So who are your good friends on the show? My hands are washed. My closest friend is Danielle Melpy. We're going to call her soon. Yes, we're going to call her soon. I like her too. I love her. And Taylor as well. So Taylor of Taylor and Derek. Yes, Taylor of Taylor and Derek. That's cool. So are you so cute together. Do you like Taylor and Derek? I love. I spend, so when I was

still with Nick, Taylor and Derek were, had just finished filming Paradise. Um, no one knew that they were a couple, but they came out and hung out with me and I just, he's such a great guy. He's so good to her. They seem, I mean, all I know about them is via social media. Yeah. But they do seem like they, like, really get excited to see each other. Well, that's a fun thing. I mean, I'm all for long distance. I'm not, you know, when people are like, oh, I never want to do a lot.

I am a huge fan. I think it helps a relationship. If you're, like, where you like it and you can handle it, I think it is the best thing for a relationship. For me, it really works. Because I get to do your own thing and then you get to see each other. you never really get to argue because you really want to absorb every minute you have. And every text and every phone call and you like, you like that. Yeah. I know. I like it too. I like it too.

I'm torn on it because I kind of like I was saying, I was said in my podcast go listening to scrubbing in with Beckett Tilley. No. Promote. But I was saying I was talking to Brooke Burke and I was saying I kind of like that, that those arguments where even if they're silly, it like brings this element of. Yeah. I will say long distance in the same time zone is. ideal. I find it harder to be in a different time zone. If you're in the same time zone, I am 100% in. Yeah, it was tough for Nick and I at the beginning when I was in Montreal, he was out in L.A., three-hour time difference. I was up and East Coast. I don't know the Canada map very well. So kind of like Florida and New York. Okay. Yeah, that would be hard. The time difference, that's a wonky time difference. Yeah. Yeah. I, so when you, when did you,

are you in L.A. now? What's your right now? Physically, yes. You know what? I am here. Wait, I wanted to ask, does Ben come in to do the podcast? Or do you guys do? A lot. So he's here about half the time, and then he does it from Denver about half the time. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Yeah, so I'm in between Montreal and L.A. Right now I'm working for E-News, so I have a beauty segment, which is hilarious, because I don't know anything about makeup. And I'm trying to learn. My roommate actually put these eyelashes on me for a red carpet at when I saw you. We're at Jingle Ball. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, I saw.

The ship started coming off, like, really right before. And I'm like, well, clearly I still need to do a little bit more segments on E because I'm not learning that much. But so I'm doing that. And it's great. They're such a great network to work with. I really love working with them. So I'm doing that. And I still have my charity back home in Montreal, which is hard because my, you know, like, the committee, everyone is back home in Montreal.

So every time, like, there's a problem, like, they try to call me. but it's like 5 o'clock my time when they call me. And I'm like, no, I'm not a morning person. Call me at 11 o'clock when I'm like, my brain is half awake. And I'm really excited. So I'm heading back to Montreal for the holidays on the 17th. And then we have a ribbon-cutting event for one of the schools that were helping out. So we did our fundraiser in the summer.

We raised enough money to help out four schools, which is so funny. Do you hear my accent every once in a while? Yeah. Every once in a while. Certain words. Oh, okay. Can you say S-O-R-R-R-Y? S-O, oh, sorry?

Oh, you don't say that. Canadian. What about A-B-O-U-T? About. I don't say... Oh, you don't do either of them. No. It's not... It's not that strong, but I had... I did an interview, and I said, we're helping out four schools, and I guess they heard poor. So I was reading an article, I was like, no, I'm not helping out poor. I'm helping a four schools. Like, I guess, the Canadian, or the French accent that's coming out every once in a while. That's what I hear. It's not the Canadian. It's the French, is what I hear. It's like French, Italian. I don't know. It's just a whole mix of things. Yeah, I definitely hear. I

like it though um have you have you have you do i don't know if you talk about this or have you have you started dating since you've been single or no i mean i don't like who well would you date would you date a bachelor well let me tell you you guys talk for a second and then i'm going to tell the story because he wanted to go like out with you wait i want to hear this after but have would you date someone from the bachelor uh no you don't think no never like you're like never say never or you're just like, eh, not ideally. Never say never, but I think my days on The Bachelor are... I have two weird Vanessa stories.

Which one? Okay. Because there's also my friend... Oh, that one was crazy. This is a weird story. Okay. The world is so small. I can't decide if we should say his name or not.

No. Wait, which one? It's J, the one that starts with the J. Oh, not. Okay, so... No, I wouldn't say his name. I'll tell you. Well, I never met him.

He's super cute. He's great. So this is how random is this? I went out with Vanessa. No, but that would be good. What? I went out with our friend J.T. That's this haughty.

I don't know if he has a girlfriend, but everybody should date him if they're down. J.T. Holmes. Everybody Google him. He is smoking hot. Wait, is that his name? Yeah, and he's like a skier, extreme athlete. So he jumps out of, like, airplanes. He's so hot.

But anyway, so listen to the story. So I'm out with Vanessa. We were at a concert. What concert were we at? We were at Maroon 5. Maroon 5. And I get a text from my friend, we'll call him Jay, that says, hey, do you know Vanessa?

I can't remember if you said, do you know Vanessa Grimaldi or do you know Vanessa from The Bachelor, whatever. She's my neighbor and people want to set us up. And I go, well, she's right next to me. It was so, like we talk about on your show, is out in the universe. That was your helicopter, boat, whatever God sends you. I never met him. She hasn't met him.

He's really cute. I never spoke to him. He's been on your podcast, Becca, for Ask a Guy. He's been asked a guy. She's met him? Only on the phone. But I think you have. met him. So then, okay, another story that Vanessa should tell. I'll let you tell it. Okay, okay,

okay, fine. Start with when you went on Jimmy Kimmel. When I was on Jimmy Kimmel, you know, you do like that, um, that, uh, quiz to see like, which fiance, like, do you know your fiancee really well, blah, blah, blah, they ask you, Jimmy asks you questions. So one of the questions was, who is your celebrity crush? And I'm like, I don't know who Nick celebrity crushes, but he knew who mine was, because I literally just spoke about him, like, five minutes before we went on and we were talking about something and then like his name came up. So then Nick writes, writes the person down and he flips a card over and like Jimmy starts laughing because like who would have thought Rick Fox would be my celebrity crush? And everyone's

like, who's like, who's Rick Fox? I'm like, oh my God. Explain who he is because we got young listeners that are like. All right. So Rick Fox is Canadian. He's tall, dark and handsome. And he played for the Lakers. This is amazing. And he was married at one time. He was married at one time to Vanessa Williams, I believe. He has kids. Save the best for the last. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so he's like obviously into the name Vanessa. He also dated Eliza Dusku. Oh, yeah. She's very sexy. She's beautiful. Yeah. You kind of are a little like her. God, thank you. I'll take that. Anyway, so yeah, so celebrity crush, Rick Fox. And then I do an interview with Ryan Seekrest and he's like, oh my God, Rick Fox. We're trying to get him on the on the air with you. But he's on a flight right now. He wrote her the most lovely email that he sent to me that I read on the air with Ryan Seacrest.

Oh my God. I don't remember that. I forget exactly what it was now. Something about like he wished that he could have been there or whatever. Congratulations to you. And then I was like, oh my God. Oh my God. And then like fast forward two weeks later, Amy's like, we got to get you back on the air.

Ryan has a surprise for you. And I had just showered. I was in my bathroom. I was like, all right. I don't know what's going on here. And then boom, I hear. Hey, Vanessa. He had like the deepest voice.

And I'm like, I was looking at Nick. I'm like, his ring fall. I don't know what to do. And then Nick is just sitting on the couch, like, okay? So we got Rick Fox on the phone with the mess up. But wait for it. It gets better. So then fast forward two weeks later.

So basically like, I don't know, four months later. I'll just say side note. I'm not being a bragger, but I am friends with celebrities. But weirdly, I'm text friends. I'm friendly with Rick Fox. And that's where I can text him for all these. shenanigans. Amazing. So that's important to the story. Yes. Okay. So do I mention the restaurant I was at? Yeah, of course. Give me a shout out. So my friend Sarah was in town and she's like,

I was really, really sick that week. I had just, I went back, I went to Nashville, I went to see some of the girls. So I spent time with Danielle Malpe. Taylor came in. Christina was there. Kristen was there. We, I spent time with Wells. I met Jen Saviano. So a bunch of like bachelor people were hanging out. I was really sick. And then I flew back to L.A. And the day I flew back, like an hour later, my friend Sarah got into town. And she's like, she's a type of girl that's like, go, go, go. Let's do a bunch of stuff. So I'm like, all right.

So she's like, I really want to try Craigs. So I was like, sure, let's go to Craggs. So we go to Craigs. It was me, Sarah, and my friend Kelly. And then, you know, like there's always like celebrity sightings there. You turn around. Yeah, for people listening. Craigs is like one of those places where you will see a celebrity if you go there.

Yeah. Like I saw Selena Gomez and Demi Lovato eating dinner. Like you see humongous celebrities. Yeah. I was just there. I'm probably going to butcher her. Her name. Iggy Zalia? Oh, yeah.

You didn't ruin it at all. Oh, I did. Okay. So, actually, I bumped into her, like, last week when I was there. So anyway, so I was, um, I didn't bump into her. I saw her. I don't know her like that. I'm not cool like that.

So anyway, so I'm having dinner and like, Sarah was like, oh, my God, look at that person and that person, like so many people. And then I was having dinner and I turned around and I see this doll, dark, dark. I can't even speak. I'm getting so nervous. I can't even say it. doll no tall

oh my god what's wrong with me tall dark and handsome I'm like sorry I just have Rick Fox's face in my head right now and I'm getting so nervous he's so dark

he's not dull so then I'm like oh my god oh my God that's Rick Fox and I didn't know what to do because I don't what's it call when you see a celebrity

I don't like I don't I'm never starstruck but when I saw Rick Fox I was like I literally got paralyzed I'm like I don't know what to do with myself so my first person that popped into my head was

Amy. So I'm like, oh my God, Amy, Rick Fox is here. She's like, you have to go see him. You have to go see hi. I was like, Vanessa, go say hi. Like, he knows you enough that you can say, hey, like, I'm like, he is the nicest person too. This is what I was like, he's not one of those celebrities that you could be scared of. Like, he is so rad and friendly and amazing and like loves his kids and is just the nicest guy. She will not do it. No, I was so scared. She's just texting me back and giving me audio text. Like, I can't, I can't, I can't. And I'm just like, What is happening? First of all, I love giving voice notes.

I don't like texting. I like leaving a voice note. Do you ever do that? I did it for a while. That's the only way I texted and then I just stopped. Yeah, I love doing that. Because sometimes I can't like think and I'm like, oh, she's just voice texting me. I can't, I can't.

I can't. I can't. I can't. I should go see him, go see him. And I think at that point you had message him saying I was in restaurant. So now I'm not at the restaurant. I'm literally 20 minutes away. And I go, all right, fine.

I will text him that you are in the restaurant. So I'm like, hey, Rick. Literally two tables away from me. Hey, it's Amy. Remember, Vanessa? I tell him the whole thing. I'm like, so I don't want to be crazy, but she's at Craigs and she sees you and she's nervous to say hi. So I'm going to tell her to go say hi. He immediately writes me back and he goes, I'm in a dinner meeting, but I would love to say hello. I should be done in whatever. I mean, he couldn't, he's so well-mannered. He's like a gentleman. Canadian, that's why. Is that why? A Canadian blood. He's so gentlemanly. So I then say to

Vanessa. I have now done everything a human can do to help you. He is going to finish his dinner and wants to see you. He wants to see you. Okay, so now tell what happens. It gets even, she doesn't do it. I don't do it. So we're walking out the restaurant and I'm like, I just want him to like hear me scream his name. So I was like, so I was literally leaving the restaurant. I'm like, bye Rick Fox. And then my friend, so like he turns around and my friend Kelly was like, hey Rick, I think like Vanessa wants to say hi to you. And I was like, waving her. I'm like, no, no, don't do this. Don't do this.

And then he's like, oh, yeah, Vanessa. And then like I walk out, I walk back in and like, hi, like a little school girl. I'm like, this is so embarrassing. And his friends were there and had to explain to them like why I was acting so strange. The whole background of the story. Yeah. So I'm like, you know, I was on Jimmy Kimmel and he was my celebrity crush. So, yeah.

And, yeah, so I met my celebrity crush. And let me tell you, he is tall, dark, and handsome, and not doll. And so lovely. Like, I think he would be okay if I read this. So after they meet, he texts me and says, hold on, I'm pulling it up. Wow. He is so polite and gentlemanly and, like, amazing. And he goes, saw Vanessa for a second.

Please pass along my number. So when she returns, we can get a meal together. I mean, who? Right. something so lovely and so kind. Are you going to be Vanessa Fox? I know, and she's blowing it, just blowing it, blowing it, blowing it. Are you like not, you're like, are you not interested in dating right now?

Like, are you out of that mindset? I'm enjoying, so I was talking about this with my sisters the other day, and before going on the show, was in such a good, happy, single state of mind, just enjoying life on my own and not like caring about who's texting me or what attention I'm getting from a guy. or, you know, I was just happy. And I'm back at that place again where I'm just happy being single. And like, it's been a year for me.

It's, you know, it was a lot that's happened. So, I mean, I'm not opposed to dating. Right. If someone came along that, like, you were like, I'm more interested in dating him than being single. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I'm not, I've never, I don't know how to date someone,

um, not seriously. You know, if I'm going to go on a day with someone. because like I see a future and I want to be able to build on that. Yeah. I don't know how to just date to date. Which kind of sucks because I kind of do want to date to date before I get it. Oh, I hate that's a hard pass. I want to go from.

Well, I've never done it. So I want to be able to just like try it. Try it how much you hate it. I like you. You're my boyfriend. I go home. Yeah, Amy goes from like, hi, I'm Amy. And then she's like, when are we buying a house again?

Oh my God. Same. I do that too. Wait, so we got to go upstairs to a different room to call Danielle M. Okay. But before that, guess what, guys? It's the holidays, and everybody's allowed to cheat on their diets and enjoy. And I have the perfect gift for everyone in your family, Omaha Steaks.

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so everybody get ready. Thanks for having me. I love being on the Ben and Ashley podcast. You've been Becca. You've been Becca. I've been Becca, and I filled my nail polish off. Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. Danielle Melpsey's on the phone right now.

Say hi, hi, Dee. Hi, hi, guys. So Dee is my closest, one of my closest friends from Nick Season of The Bachelor. we were placed in the same room together, top bunk. We both had a top bunk. No. Yeah, we both did.

Yeah, which is so, well, I mean, like, yeah, yeah, you had a top bunk. Yeah, I had the top bunk. How many girls in the room? In our room, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven girls in our room. No, no, no. It felt like I never, actually, no, I went to camp. We had all, like, the, like, front runners in our room. Seven girls in a room for how long?

Well, that was just the first week of the show. Right, whenever we're in the mansion? Yeah. Yeah. That sounds really. Yeah. How many sharing a bathroom? Oh, it's only two bathrooms.

I don't, are you about saying this stuff? Yeah, I think so. No, there are three. There are three. There is one of the other than seven or eight girls. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah. I'm eating a pizza right now. I know we're eating pizza while we do the show. I'm hungry. I'm happy about it. Really want of that. So why did you guys immediately kind of get along and bond and I mean, who doesn't love Dee?

Anyone that meets her just falls in love with her. She's the sweetest person ever. And she has a sigh to her that, like, unfortunately, they didn't show on the show. She's so fun and lighthearted and, like, easy to get along with. I mean, they did show that part. But she's just like, she's an amazing all-around perfect human being and needs the perfect man in her life because she deserves nothing but the best. So for people listening, Danielle, did you become famous for the kids? Kiss with Wells.

She keeps getting asked about that. I feel like people finally, like, saw my, like, personality a little bit more and on Paradise. But, like, yeah, I think I got, like, the kiss that broke the Internet. Don't you have, like, an amazing job? You're a nurse or a doctor or something. Yeah, I'm like that. Yeah, I work at neonatal intensive care. So I work with all, like, the premature infant, so the infants that are born with any sort of heart defects.

Um, Amazon defects, like, I'm having some breathing, like, I, I see it all. And have we, we had you on with Ben and Ashley before? Uh, no. Oh, my gosh, we were going to, and then we had to change it because you were doing something with Wells. Oh. So this is Danielle M's debut on the Almost Famous podcast. Hey, it's my debut, too. Hey, Dave.

All right, so let's dig into Vanessa's fears about dating. Open up, talk to us. Oh, am I going to? straight for it. My fear is about dating. So I was talking to Amy about this earlier. Yeah. I mean, Dee, I guess you could. I think being ghosted. Right. D and I were just hanging out this week and we're talking about the concept of being ghosted. And we have like this whole thing that's weekend of like hashtag ghosted. It's so bad. It's terrible. It's like if you're not into someone, just let them know instead of just 10 years ago was ghosting even a thing. It's newer.

It's newer. Well, well, because of, you know, like your phone. So I mean, I feel like people would. on your phone. Right. Like, years ago, like, when I was in college or whatever, out of college, there was no such thing as ghosting, I don't think. I don't, I mean, maybe it was like just standing someone up. Like, you just, like, right. Have you ever, have, had either of you ever been stood up? Never. I have. I have. What? Tell us, tell us, tell us. It was this guy that I was actually, it was my friend and I were both interested in, but my other friend was, like, kind of seeing somebody.

At a time, I was like, well, why are you getting mad at me? Like, if I want to go out and, like, you know, have dinner with this guy. Oh, my God. Dee, this is so funny. Yeah, we were supposed to go to Maggianos because that's, like, a cool place to go in, like, Wisconsin, like, way back in the day. And I showed up, and he never did. No, no. So you're supposed to meet at the restaurant.

Yes. Did you ever speak to him? Like, he should have just, like, picked me up, you know? Like, that's why, yeah, no. So how long did you wait? How does that go down? I was there for like 20 minutes. I was like, this fucker's not coming.

So then did you ever speak to him again? No, I never talked to me again. So just. No, I talked to him and I was like, you're a fucking pussy. Like, way to be a coward. Whoa, I do have a story that is not, it's a little bit wonky. I was, I guess you could say I was dating someone. This is when I was 19 and we had gone on a trip to Tahoe together and I was much younger than him.

This is just like, explains why I am how I am. And he was much older than me. So one of the nights, he said, I'll go out with my friends. You go out with your friends and we'll meet up at the house later. And at the time, I was like, that sounds cool. Okay, cool. Like, fine. I never saw him again ever.

We were on vacation. On vacation, like I picked him up at the airport and he came to my house and like I thought I was taking him back to the airport. I basically never saw him again. I have awkwardly bumped into him. This is 20 years ago this went down. I have awkwardly bumped into him a few times. I mean that one of my girlfriends is like he invented ghosting. That OG of ghosting. That is the OG of ghosting. Like how gnarly is that? I mean, I've never been. I think I just didn't get it. Like, why, why not just be a man about it?

Like, be honest, don't be a coward. I think he was just done and I was too young and he met some girl and I think he married her and I think they got divorced. So guess what? Whatever. You know, that's the thing about dating that scares me, which I appreciate it about, it's going to be, it's going to sound so weird, which I appreciate it about the Bachelor because at least, you know, like, when you're first dating someone, you don't know if they're

dating other women and you're not in the position to be asking like, hey, are you seeing other people like I don't know how to date multiple people at the same time so I know I'm not doing that but you don't know if the guy's doing that I'm the same way but on the show it's like well it's in front of your face like you know like he's dating other women so you're like you have to be okay with it and I think that's what scary about dating is um because I don't know how to just casually date someone and I want to just find my husband and I want to I want that so badly and I want to manifest that destiny but I think that's what's scaring me so I'm I'm open so Dee we were talking about like if I'm open to dating now and all of that.

Yeah. We actually had like we had a pretty big heart to heart this week, Danielle and I. So tell me how you're feeling. Yeah, I'm, I mean, you know, I was thinking, like I started crying the other night. I was just thinking about like everything that I went through this year and how like, it's sad that, you know, Nick and I didn't work out. Like we really felt like, at least for me, I know I really fell in love with him. And we both tried so hard to make our relationship work.

and, you know, we message each other, like, a couple of days ago about something just randomly. Actually, I messaged him. I saw him on a clip of SpeechList, which I was so impressed by. Yeah, I was excited. He did that. And he did a good job. So everybody listening, I am good friends with Nick also. And I will just say, I like him very much, very, very much.

I love Vanessa, too. So I get why they're both amazing and I get why this is hard. But keep going. Yeah. So, yeah, I had message him and, like, you know, we just, we, like, exchanged a few words and stuff. And it's just, like, it sucks, you know, because, like, when you, I mean, I really thought this was it for me. I thought, you know, I was envisioning, like, the wedding and, like, having a family together. And then, like, when it gets shattered, it's like, oh, my God, like, how come this couldn't have worked out between us, you know?

I'm going to go on a limb, and I've told you this, so I'm not telling you something I haven't said to your face. Of all the bachelor couples, I have this weird. feeling you're going to get back together. I've said that to you a lot of times. I really do. I don't know. You don't have to say. I don't. I mean, see, I'm the type of person. Dee, I don't know if you can relate to this, but I've never been one. If a relationship ends, it ends for a reason. And I don't like backtracking and going back to something that didn't ultimately end up working out. Yeah. Regardless, you know, like, I'm, I think the world of him, like, he's still like, you know, like if he ever needs anything, like, I'll be there for him. Um, but romantic.

Right now, I don't, no, I don't, I don't see that just because there are reasons why, like, we're just not compatible or it's just very different. And they do say opposites attract. And you know us both. I mean, you can vouch for, you know, how different we are. Very different. Yeah. And in interesting ways. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's not simple differences. They're complex differences. That, you know, it's not like you're one religion, he's another. Some of these things that people can get through. You're a Republican. He's a Democrat. These are common. complicated at your core differences. Right. You're right. And then when people ask like... Love language differences. Right. Love language differences.

Exactly. Well said, Danielle. What is your love language, Vanessa? All right. Dee, can you name me all the love languages and then I can like point them out? Okay. There's like physical touch. Oh, yeah.

So physical touch is like, I'm a koala bear. I constantly need to be like next to someone and cuddling up next to someone. So yeah. Yeah. So it's physical touch, access service, gift, and, like, words of affirmation. Yeah. That's for, right? Yeah.

Yeah. I think there might even be one more. We have to look it up. I am physical touch. And you know what's interesting? I need a lot of connection. It doesn't have to be a long amount of connection, but I have to be connected to you every day. I can't go a week.

If I'm dating someone, I can't go for a bit without talking or texting. Yeah. It really has to be, and I think that's, some people are different than that. I need a lot of connection. Yeah, so do I. Dee, what about you? Yeah, me too. Like, I, I feel like I'm kind of like a mesh of all of them.

Like, I need, like, a little bit of everything. But, like, I say, like, gifts. Like, I'm not, like, that big on gifts. Like, I'm more, like, acts of service. Like, oh, like, you went and, like, you took my car and got the oil change and then, like, he had a big old hug coming home, you know, like, it's, like, stuff like that. Yeah. I, so.

Interesting. when I look back to my past relationships, I was in this one relationship back home in Montreal and he was like, we dated for a couple years and really great guy. And that's one thing I have to say, like I'm on good terms with all of my exes. Not that I have that many, but I'm on good terms with my exes, which I think is really important for you to realize that it's important to be able to move on from that relationship and not to hold any resentment. And that's something that I think I'm happy that I was able to do with all my past relationships. So he actually would like, we had what we call in Montreal de Pana, which is a 7-Eleven down

the street from our place. And every time he's like, oh, I'm going down to get like... Did you live together? We did. Wow. We'll get into that. But yeah, we live together. And so every time, like, he would go down to get like a magazine or something at the

dep, he'd come back up and like, oh, I saw this kid cat and I thought about you. And for me, little acts like that. it's it's not even like about the kid cat it's about he's thought of me in that moment and that moment is the most romantic thing ever i agree i totally get that so i want to dig into this because basically what i'm learning is you haven't had many relationships but the ones you've had have been quite serious yes yeah yeah um so that relationship was uh my second well my first real strong like the love of my life um and we all ultimately wanted different things in life.

So that's interesting. Okay, so different from maybe you and Nick where you were different. Right. In this situation, what you wanted in life was different. Right. We were so compatible. So compatible. Like we had insane chemistry for two years.

Like, it was just, it was like every girl's, well, like, if you're anything like me, like any girl's dream of, like, waking up. Like, he would wake up 10 minutes earlier before going to, like, he would set his alarm clock. 10 minutes before his actual clock so that he can like cuddle me for 10 minutes and like kiss me into the point where I would have to he would like suffocate me and then like drive to work and then call me 15 minutes later to wake me up so then I can go to work and then I'd be on the phone with him until like I would get to work.

It was just like he was like and we were talking about this on Becca's podcast too like he was my best friend I think Brooke was talking about like she still likes her husband and they still have that connection like we really had that but we just wanted different things. Yeah. Like kids. Kids, yeah. That's what I was going to. I knew it was going to be something you want them, he doesn't.

Yeah. And that becomes one of those things that cannot be. That was my non-negotiable. That's like a big non-negotiable for me. And did you think he would change his mind or no? I just feel like it's either you know or you don't know, you know. And I was at a point in my life where I, it was, we were dating for like two years. And it was really tough because he's like, well, what if I don't,

what if I want kids and then like you're not going to be the person that I'm going to end up with because like we break up and I want you to be the mother of my kids. Wow. So like it was hard because like he we were just had, I think it was timing too or at two different places in our lives. The kid thing is tough because I'm and this is very strange for me to say because I'm, you know, not passive. But I always was like if the guy I'm with wants kids, I'll figure out to make that work. Do you want kids? Not necessarily. Okay.

So for me to be like, that's really up to the guy. And now I'm so much older that I have it a lot easier because the guy has kids. Right. So I don't have to worry about it. I don't, I am not comfortable. I should talk to Danielle about this, birthing kids. That just sounds like a hard pass for me. So I always felt like we would adopt or we would have a surrogate.

Right. It would be his, but not biologically mine. And I was totally cool with all that if he wanted it. And now I don't really have to worry about it Because I'm old now Was that something that you always But I'm totally fine and happy and great If the guy has kids

I have five nieces, I love kids It was more the birthing And then I have this complicated thing And I would love to hear what you guys have to say I want to work I get that So I have this weird thing where it's like But I'm so obsessed with my nieces

That if I had kids I wouldn't want to leave So I have this whole conundrum of that I get that. I mean, it's, I see how my sister's doing it. And so it's very different. Like back home in Montreal, you get like, or I don't know if it's all over Canada, but you get a year off of Matt leave, which is great. Because you get like, I know. I heard that your medical care is amazing. Yeah. 12 weeks. I know, which I find it's so crazy. But I see like she's, you know, she's really dedicated to her work. She's a teacher as well. And she goes in, like, she was excited to go back to work. But it was. it's really hard for her to leave her kid. But she does, I think it's really important to find a partner, a life partner where they're going to be able to encourage you to pursue your dreams and still, like, have that family value.

And her husband is just gold. Like my sister has, my sister's an amazing woman. They have an amazing relationship. They have a healthy kid. And they just, like, they found what works for them. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Some of my mom friends.

on that part meaning you can balance things with. Exactly. Some of my mom friends say it's really hard because when they are with their kids, they're thinking about work. And when they're at work, they're thinking about their kids. So there's just this total conflict all the time. Yeah. Yeah.

These are things that we just can't solve in an hour podcast. Where's Ben when we get in? Can Ben Higgins solve this? Wow. I'm fascinated by your guy that you lived with. It sounds like he was pretty amazing. He was. And then there was this big old elephant in the room that just couldn't be solved.

Yeah. It's, I mean, I believe it's really cliche, but I really believe everything happens for a reason. And after that relationship, I thought I'm never going to find another love like that. And I did. And I did. I fell in love with Nick. And I thought, you know, like that was a really great experience. It was really eye-opening.

I learned a lot about myself this year, things that I know I need to improve on as an individual and in a relationship. So I think right now, like, I'm taking that time to just focus on me and growing as a person so I can become a better person when I invite someone else into my life. And I think the most important thing, and I feel like that gets looked over so frequently in relationships. And I feel like, I'm not getting off on a tangent, but that's, like, why the divorce rates and everything is so high. Because, like, people don't love themselves enough to make themselves better to be in a relationship with somebody. Right. And I think, like, the concept of, like, I didn't really understand.

love yourself. I knew what that meant, but until I actually understood and I, I actually took the time with myself and for myself and I actually understood what it meant to just like love every part of you. And I remember I did this interview with someone back home in Montreal. She was diagnosed with breast cancer at 22 years old or something crazy. And then she was diagnosed with lung cancer. And we're just talking about the concept of like loving yourself and at any stage in your life. So if you're five pounds heavier, five, five, pounds lighter if you love if you if you're at the job that you love or at the job that you absolutely hate or if you're going through a divorce whatever state you're in love yourself

because that's it's truly important to just be able to present in it I think there is something to uh you have to be happy in order to be with someone else yeah because you can't bring in your junk because they can't fix your junk and you can't fix their and um yeah yeah I think that was hard to realize. I also will say because you guys, Danielle, how old are you? I'm 32. Oh, you guys are like both in your 30s. So I literally remember Jennifer,

like my goddess, Jennifer Aniston, saying this. And she was like the 40s. She really is. She's like Oprah and Anniston. I'm like, I love them. I kind of love Kate Hudson too, but we can talk about that later. So Jennifer Aniston said something about the 40s being amazing. And I kind of remember rolling my eyes because I think I'm probably seven years younger than her.

and I was like, oh, whatever, Anniston, she could not have been more spot-on right. Like, everything changes. Yeah. I feel, I mean, I'm loving my just 20-30. I get that. At the 30s, you're coming out of all that junk from the 20s. Yes.

And, you know, my friend was saying this when I was turning 30. I was like, oh, my God, I'm turning 30. I thought, you know, when you're younger, you have all these timelines. Like, I'll be married by 28. I'll have my first kid by 30. I'm like, oh, my God, I just ended an engagement. I never thought that was ever going to happen to me. But I remember my friend saying, you know what, look at it as you're ending the 20s, your decade, you're starting a new decade now.

So you're starting fresh. And I'm like, oh, my God, that's so true. You know, like I'm starting fresh and inviting this goodness. I think when you're happy, and you don't have to be like unicorns and rainbows happy. If you're just sort of at peace happy, all of a sudden you just go, oh my God, that happened. Mm-hmm. Because that's like things like that happen to me now. And I'm just like, wow. And you can go to the dark place, but I try to be positive.

And I do think, like, think positive. We all have that, especially us girls, have that where we go. Is he going to like me? Does he like me? Is he going to call me? And if you kind of just stay in the yes, in the light, it works. It's hard to do, though. It is.

You have to be determined about it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Wait, let's not let Danielle off the hook. I was just going to say, D, you're dating life. Fill the beans. I mean, I know about it.

Really hard. Wait, tell me about it. So, it's like, I feel like Nashville's filled with, like, a bunch of Peter Pan. You know, like, everyone comes here and, like, you can't fall over without knocking down, like, 12 musicians. So Nashville's over saturated with musicians and, like, that's who, like, you end up dating. And it's, like, they're just, it's not a good. They'll date musician. Well, you know, here's what I will say, too, because you're not dating Tim McGraw, who's

made it. You're dating a musician who's struggling, and I think that can be real, uh-huh. Yeah, it's hard to date someone that isn't comfortable with where they are in their life or are struggling to get to that next point. Yes, right. And they're in, like, going back to, like, being happy, like, with yourself. It's hard to, like, if you're happy with yourself, it's hard to date. someone that isn't happy with themselves.

Right, or just working to accomplish a dream. And the thing about musicians is you can be an amazing musician and never make it because it's so much luck. And so you're dealing with that too. Yeah. Yeah. I feel that. Like, some of my friends are musicians.

I'm sorry if any of them are like I'm going to. No, I mean, musicians are great, but they're, that's tough. And then they're going to be on the road all the time. I know. Yeah. Do you, I feel like you're going to end up with, like, someone at work. There isn't a nice accountant. There's a nice account.

Oh, my God, that would make my dad so happy because that's all he ever says is, why can't you've been a nice doctor? There's no cute doctors at your hospital? We were actually, so we went for, we volunteered for the Ryan Seacrest Foundation in Nashville, and it was actually at the hospital that Danielle works at. No way. Yeah. Yeah.

So we, it was so cool. It was so much fun. And then we met this man, what was his name, D? From Best Buddies? Oh, it was Mike. Mike? Mike from Best Buddies. He's 40, I think he's like 47.

And so we actually got invited to their prom. So we're heading, I'm heading back to Nashville. And in February we're going to be prom dates for. There's not a cute doctor anywhere in the hospital. I know, Dee, there has to be. You know what, they're probably taken. I know, but there's lots of, like, yeah, that's the thing. Like, there's lots of, like, very handsome, like, kind, good side manner,

bedside man are like doc but they all got like snatched up in med school yeah I can see that but trust fate it all comes around yeah everything happens for a reason oh I know I have fully believe in that like me too and you got every person I've met and like dated or um like every experience has led me to this point of where I am in my life and it's like I feel like I personally have finally reached that just point of like peaceful like contentment like I I love my life. I love everybody in it. And, like, I, I know, I feel, I feel like, I feel a big love coming.

They just show up. They just show up. That's why I feel bad for y'all with these apps and stuff you guys have to do. I'm, like, so I'm terrified to, I'm not on any app. I've never been on any app, but I'm terrified. Like, because I'm like, well, I'm not meeting anyone. Sorry? They're overwhelming.

Yeah. too much all at once, like, in your face. Yeah. Art, Dee, I don't want to call you out, but are you on a dating app? No. No? No, but before the show, like, I tried out, like, bumble and stuff, and, like, that was the extent of it.

And I was like, no, there's too many guys. There's too many conversations. And then I felt like I was getting very, um... Serious? No, not serious, but I was like, superficial. Oh, right, right, right. You don't know the person. Oh, you've got a guitar.

Floyd. Oh, right. Right. But I mean, you hear so many of these, like, love stories of people that met through these dating apps. Like, I have a friend at work. One of my best friends just got married. Yeah. My friend just got married and she has a kid now. And she met him on Tinder.

No. Yeah. So she's like, you should. I'm like, I don't know. I mean, like, Bachelor didn't work out for me. I don't know if these dating apps are going to work for me. I think it depends who you are. I'm not sure for Vanessa that it's going to work for you.

You're complicated. I love it. How am I complicated? Amy? How am I complicated? This is what I think on you. Okay. There's a lot going on.

In my head? Yeah, like you're deep. And I'll analyze Danielle once I know her better. But for you, it's like you're not surface. You're deep. And you're driven and you're a baller chick. Do you know what I mean? I like that terminology.

So it's like for you, that's why I think it might not work as well because I don't know that you have the patience or the sort of, I don't know, that your dude's out on that. Right. Right. Because he's got to be smart. He's got to be quick. He's got to keep up. He's got a this. He's got that with you. Yeah. So, I mean. Right. You and I are not soft girls in the corner. No. Which is fine. We just have to, you know. We're not. They show up. Oh, yeah. I mean, you know what? I say this. There's someone for everyone. And I, you know, I don't believe in like there's only one love out there or there's one person that you're meant to be with. I think you're meant to be with multiple people depending on which path you end up taking in your life. So I think...

The best sign for you, Vanessa, and Danielle, I don't want to forget you, but we'll have to do another episode, is that you've had these very serious relationships. So Meredith Sechrest, Brian Sechrest's sister, she gave me some of the best advice, and I wish we had her on the phone. She was dating her now husband, and they were like maybe almost about to be engaged. And I was like, do you ever just like get insecure or worried or this or that? And she was like, he's so amazing and I love him so much and we get along so well that if he is not the one for me and there is conceivably someone better, that blows my mind. So I'm fully confident in it.

And I was like, oh, my God. What she was saying made so much sense and she wasn't just saying it. She believed it. And that's why she married him and they're happy as can be. That's amazing. Yeah. Actually, when she said that, I tried to. say it to myself all the time. Yeah.

Because it gives you that security. It does. And then it doesn't make you be in a relationship that ultimately you shouldn't be in. Because I think it's easy sometimes to just be... Right. And just to be comfortable and like, oh, okay, well, you know, like, dating sucks. So, you know, you don't want to, like, have to go around and see, like, oh, is this guy, like... And having to, like, interview. It's kind of like auditioning, right? Like, to see, like, who you're going to... And it's a crazy concept.

It's an audition. Yeah. And it's a crazy concept. crazy concept to think you're going to be with someone for the rest of your life. You want to make sure that they're not only a great husband, but a great father. You know, you have a great support system. I mean, like, my parents are divorced. So they got divorced when I was 18 years old and I did not see it coming. That's very common time for marriages. Marriages, really? When the kids are going right. Yeah. And I think it's, I mean, for me, it was really hard because I was, when you're younger, like you don't understand what's going on but as you when you're older you're more implicated in

the process of things so I was really affected by it and I remember telling myself like I don't ever want to end up in that position you know and I think that's why like when our engagement ended it was really tough for me because I'm like I felt like I failed but what about now now you're okay so my thing is for people out there like if you get divorced yeah that's okay it's okay it's definitely okay and I think like one thing I really appreciated about my relationship with Nick is we were not going to pretend as if like, oh, it's rainbows and butterflies and unicorns and popcorn and all that fun stuff. It was tough. It was hard. And I actually never looked back on our, um, after the final rose where people were like, it was so awkward. And I was like,

oh, was it? I don't know. Like I was just, we were just being real. Real. Right. Yeah. Right. Bunnies and rainbows. Yeah. And it was, it was tough. You know, it was, um, especially like having a relationship right outside of coming out of the show. Um, So that's one thing I really appreciated. Well, the show, that's a whole other episode, how much that adds to the challenges in the relationship and being in the public eye. Yeah.

Wait, Danielle, we have to go, but when are you going to come visit us? I mean, whenever I'm out in Atlanta. Soon. Right, you can call me any time. You got to come up to Canada. No, you got to come here or so Vanessa stays here. In January, we all need to do something fun.

I'll be back in January. I'll be back in January. I would like that. Good. Oh, we have a fun concert. I'll email you. so another one oh okay i know amy always sends me like these texts i'm like so much because it's a good excuse to come out yeah yeah it's really fun i'll text you guys and d you can stay with me exactly

okay perfect cuddles wait daniel you rock talk to you soon love you i can't wait to see you guys i'll call you later okay love you bye love you bye she's great so now we're going to call Michaela yeah so this is here's a little background Vanessa is from Canada yeah and Nadian Bachelor? Is it called that? What's it called? Yeah, it's called Bachelor Canada. Bachelor Canada. And this girl is in the final? She's in the final. She's down to the final two. Yes, so I think

right now they're down to the final two. She's hilarious. I love the last two ladies that are on. And I find it such a compelling show. There's a lot that happens. There's a lot of romance, which I love. I want to find out the differences between theirs and ours. I was messaging her. I'm like,

what do you guys want to talk about? So do you watch it when you're home? We can't get it here. Oh, that's such a bum. Yeah. So I watched, I was on Bachelor Canada after show. Caitlin was on. I was on with Evan and Carly.

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Michaela! Hello. Hi, my love. How are you? I'm good. How are you? You're on with Amy and I. This is so exciting.

So this is Ben Higgins and Ashley Eyes podcast that Vanessa and I have taken over because they are At a secret location, we can't feel. Yeah. Oh, my God. Wait, I love that we're going to learn about Bachelor Canada. Yes, I'm so excited. Now, can you watch our Bachelor in Canada? Oh, I've watched every season, 100%.

Starting with who? Starting with which one. Starting with Tristan, Ryan. No, you go back like me. Oh, my God. You know what's... How old are you? How can you be that old?

I'm old. No, you're younger than me. Wait. I'm just kidding. I'm not old. I'm a baby. 28. So how were you when you started?

27? But were you like 10 years old? Yeah, I was just a little chubby teen or like Steve Bopter. Wait, okay, so let's get the Canada opinion. Who do you think was the best bachelor of all time? The best bachelor? Like, there's so many different criteria that I could use to choose. But like Chris Sol is all the way for me.

See, I still say Andrew Firestone. Oh, he was good. He really was good, too. He was good, too. Guys, I only knew one bachelor, I was like a memory. So I don't always remember. Wait, so tell us what you find the differences are between the Canadian Bachelor and our Bachelor. Not the person, but the show in general.

The show in general, well, not to speak on anything negatory, but I think obviously the budget, there's a difference in budget. So I think, I mean, the location. If you got a bigger budget in the U.S., Canada, a little bit of lower budget, so I think that there's a lot more. travel that goes on in the U.S., which I think is awesome. But I just feel like the Canadian one also is focusing a lot more on the love story. Which I love. The drama. I love that.

But, Michaela, I will say this, although you travel, like, you know, we travel to Phimini and Finland and New Orleans, we didn't get to see that much because we weren't allowed to be out in public so people couldn't. You know what, that's true. Yeah, so people can't catch on that we're filming the show. Yeah. Like, you see the ocean from afar, but you can't get to be. can't get in it. And like an ocean is an ocean, you know? True, true. I mean, we went to beautiful places. I'm happy when we ended up in Finland

because, like, I would never travel. Wait, were you in the freezing one? It was, yes. Yes, it was, it was, I had to go in the cold plunge. And the like, uh, you went off in some sleigh and then it just kept going. Oh, guys. So what, what they did not show after Nick and I got engaged, I had my ring on my finger, first of all, I was like, oh my God, babe, I've always round, I've always wanted a cushion cut diamond and he's like, it's round cut. I'm like, I obviously don't know anything about diamonds. So then the sled takes off

and I'm so sad they don't have this on camera. Literally the sled completely tips over and like we fall on top of each other and the sled's on top of us. I'm like, oh my God, this is just... I think Chris Harrison told me the story that like, off y'all went and then they were like, uh, where'd they go?

Yeah. And we tipped over and fell over. Wait, we have a couple minutes left. Oh, that's it. Tell us some more. Tell us some more. Ask some more Canadian questions. Okay. So, Michaela. Yes. How many girls did you guys start with on Christmas season? So that's another huge difference. We only started with 20 women and five women were cut the first night.

So when we went to our first location, we were only 15 girls. Yeah, you guys were a small group. So I think that's why you really get to know a lot of the girls really quickly is because it's such a small group. Yeah. I think they started with 30 this year for the American school? We started with 30. Wait, I wanted to ask you, so we stayed in the mansion for like, I can't say how long, but did you guys, it seemed as if you guys went from like night one to directly to your first location.

Yeah, no, we did one night in Toronto and then the next day we were straight off to Costa Rica. So we only had one night in Canada before we started jet setting, which was cool. Okay, so give us a little bit of gossip because, you know, we can't watch the show out here. So what's been happening on the show? You guys are the final two. It's you and Lindsay.

Yeah, so we're down to two. Lindsay and I, I mean, Lindsay's a great girl. girl. I have nothing bad to say about her, but I think what you're going to see in the next couple weeks is something that you may not expect. Living together with everybody was a real trip, because especially in Costa Rica, there was 15 of us living in one big house, and that was, you know, the first time I've ever been in that sorority type of situation. It was a little bit intimidating, and I know that if you did watch the show, you would have pinpointed the psychos right away like shanty and brittany m um but that's actually another difference between

the two the two shows american and canadian they let the craziest girl go week two and i think everybody was really shocked by that because she would have made incredible television and she was just so now does the guy propose is that a big thing like getting engaged like it is here well i think i mean that's that's the premise of the show right so you would hope that the bachelor coming into the show would be ready to get engaged. But I think also coming into the show, especially if, you know, you're like Chris and you haven't watched the show ever, I think perhaps there's things that can be. And is your guy named Chris? Yes. Sorry, yes. Chris is the Canadian bachelor. And I find him and Nick kind of resemble each other. I was going to ask that. They're both very handsome. If you could compare him

to an American bachelor, who is it? Physically. Well, I mean, not physically, but. If I could compare Chris to an American bachelor, it would have to be Nick physically, But in terms of the personality, oh, man, that's a tough one. I would say, oh, because, oh, that's such a tough one. He has different characteristics of different people. Wait. I mean, he does have a really gentle heart, but he's also kind of unsure about a lot of things. Ben Higgins.

He's a flip-flopper. Oh. Yeah, I don't, no, I don't think. Higgins? No, I don't think, no, I don't think he's a Ben Higgins. Wait, who was it that said I love you to two people? Ben Higgins. That's why I said it. Ben. He's a Ben. He's a Ben. And he's one of America's favorite bachelors. Yeah. We have to. No, that was so sad. We have to go. But we're going to call you next week with Ben and Ashley so we can find out what happens. Oh, absolutely. I look

forward to telling you guys the full blown tail after it's all set and down. You know, we're a couple weeks off from the finale. I can't wait to share. We'll stay in touch. Oh, I hope so. Bye. Thanks so much. Bye, Michaela. Thank you, ladies. Have a beautiful day.

You too. Okay, bye. Bye. Bye. Oh, my God, I know. Thank you for having me, guys. We love you. I hope you'll come back on with Ben and Ashley because they will be back next week.

Oh, already? Yeah, so we'll probably call you next week. Okay. They will be back from their secret location with lots of juicy juice and juicy. Juicy juice. And we'll have some fabulous guests. I'm excited to hear all about it. So, filling in for Ben and Ashley,

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