The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - S3 #9 The Relationship Fire Drill

Episode Date: November 15, 2017

Ben and Ashley welcome former bachelor Andrew Firestone to the podcast for the latest in the world of an heir.  Then they turn their attention to a listener named Sarah who is in major need of relationship breakup assistance. Can Ben and Ashley give her the advice she needs?! Find out! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast with IHartRadio. Let's make podcast history today. I'm Ben. I'm Ashley. Hey, welcome to the almost famous podcast on IHeart Radio. Yeah. We have one of my favorite people ever in the Bachelor franchise. We're going to make podcast history right now with this interview.

Andrew Firestone. Welcome. Hi. Oh, my goodness. It is going to be making podcast history The first time that anyone's ever dialed in On a rotary phone That's what I am

Have you ever been on a... Okay We just talked over each other Totally right there It's all right, Andrew Because Bob used that same joke already So you two grandpas can have time together Oh God, well he's older than I am even so this

And I give him swirlies all the time So wait, Andrew Tell us a little bit here You, how do fans know you? Catch us up to who Andrew Firestone is? So I was on The Bachelor back in 2003. Oh, my God. And so I, I know you guys weren't even born yet.

And I was, I was, the third iteration of The Bachelor, so it was, the first was Aaron and, oh, sorry, Alex. Alex was first, Aaron was second, and then I was, I was after, I was after that. Memory starts to go when you get old. Andrew, it's okay. It does. I mean, yeah, I was just waking up for my afternoon nap. I was on the show a long, long time ago, and yeah, that was that was sort of, that was sort of it. But I think at that point, the show had kind of started to really kind of hit its mark in terms of people following it and watching it. And it was, it was pretty wild, you know, being a 26-year-old kid, you know, get a chance to run around with 25 girls. It was pretty insane because.

And nobody quite knew what was going to happen. It's your season on, like... It's on iTunes. I think they're all on iTunes. You were 26. That's pretty young for a bachelor. Ben was 26. Is that right?

Yeah, I might have been 27. I'm just trying to do the math backwards. But, you know, that's funny. I didn't know that any of my season actually still existed because I have never really seen it anywhere. I have, like, literally old DVD copies of it that my mom, you know, recorded. But that was about it. So I'm mortified to know that it still exists and it still lives. Oh, I'm sure we could find a lot out there.

I would do anything to watch Tina Fabulous again. Just talk about being fabulous. You guys got it. Everybody's got to dig back and watch these old episodes. They're like nothing you can imagine. Yeah, it was, I was convinced my kids and my wife that I haven't destroyed every single copy in existence. So I need to pay more money to Apple to get that, you know, burned. Before we catch up on your life now, Ashlyn and I have a few questions for you still about your life as The Bachelor.

So can we tap back about 20 years ago? Thanks for that. Andrew, so on your time of the Bachelor, did you get engaged? I did. I did. You know, I was, you know, when I was on it, there was a young lady named Jen Schaft, and we got engaged at the end of the show. And I'm just like this hopeless romantic. And, you know, I still am to this day. And, you know, when we got to, you know, went through that whole, you know, for me, you know, it was about two and a half months or so, you know, for the, in the sun we started until the time we finished.

And, you know, it was going through that with her, you know, not only had I fallen in love with her, but, you know, we had this really unique and different experience that you probably could never quite explain to anybody else. And so it was, you know, it was very, very, you know, it was very, you know, it was very, you know, it was very, you know, it was. romantic and it was exciting. And it was, and I thought it was perfect. You know, then fast forward about nine or ten months later, she had been living out in Chicago, and we moved her out across country and out to San Francisco where I was living. And, you know, real life got in the way nine months later, ten months later, whatever it was. And we decided that it wasn't meant to be, but, God, I don't regret even one second of it. It was such an amazing and crazy and weird experience, not just the show, but all, you know, the relationship

afterwards that, you know, I look back really fondly on that experience. Did she become The Bachelorette? She did. She did. A couple seasons later, or maybe the night, it was a bit afterwards. She did go back, and then she was the Bachelorette, yeah. Did you watch her season? You know what, ironies of all ironies. So I went... And I was on the Men Tell All show, you know, when they go back and kind of in retrospect on the show,

I went out there to be on the show and kind of give my perspective. And the funniest thing happened. After that show, I was on my way back to the airport. A friend of mine asked me to go and meet her at a restaurant. I did. And that was the day that I met my wife. No way. It was so funny.

yeah, it was February 13th of 2005, and that was the day that I met my future wife and mother my kids. So, I mean, in some weird way, the Bachelor has infiltrated every part of my romantic life. Andrew, do you think, oh, sorry, I mean to cut you off, do you think that doing the Bachelor made you a better husband in your marriage now? And I think Ben might find that this answer interesting. Very much. Yeah, I don't know if it made me a better husband, but I will say that it did is it made me really focus so much on the things that I was looking for in a partner, you know, in a, in a wife. And, you know, as a 26, 27, whatever I was when I did the show, there wasn't a lot of time that you really do kind of introspective thinking about what is it that you want, you know, for the rest of your life. You're really living in the moment.

I mean, you know, at that age, you're kind of bulletproof, you know, single. and, you know, to go through that whole, you know, shooting and filming, but more, it was all the kind of quiet downtime. And, you know, when you're getting asked these questions, and, you know, and the, and the women on the other side are peppering you with questions, you really start to focus on what it is that you find important. And so I think that, you know, I thought that it had made me ready for, you know, for Jen and for, you know, what was to come there. But, you know, what it ultimately did was, was make me really aware of the exact person that I was looking for. And when I met my wife of Vana, it was like everything that I had talked about, all those hours that I had spent

thinking about what it was that I was looking for, all kind of came, and I was aware and ready for it. And I think if I hadn't gone through that process with the bachelor, perhaps I could have missed it. And that would have been a tragedy. I mean, that would have been, that would have been, you know, really, really sad. But maybe because of all that time I spent, you know, talking about what it was that was important to me, what it was that was important to me for a spouse and all those sorts of things, I think that it made me really, really ready for that moment when it happened, when, you know, kind of true love, you know, finally, finally happened for me. That's such a cool story. Thank you for telling us that.

You know, but it's, you know, I'm sure Ben can sympathize. You know, you have all those hours where, you know, not on these exciting dates, but then you're back, you know, in the middle the night when you're kind of staring at the ceiling, you're thinking about, gosh, what am I doing? what am I looking for? And I think that having gone through that just really made me ready. It's interesting that you say that. It just kind of sparked something that came up this last, about a week and a half ago for me. I found my journal from The Bachelor.

And in this journal, I wrote down my thoughts every night on my dates that I had and the women that are part of those dates and what I thought about each of them and the things that I was kind of struggling with and dealing with, even with Lauren, towards the end, it was like, hey, these are the things that are concerning to me are these things I'm really excited about, and Caitlin Jojo were part of that, too. Is this the first time you read it back?

It is the first time I've read it back. No way. Because I was cleaning out my house, and I had never thought of it. But you're right, Andrew. I mean, I processed during the Bachelor at a deeper level, especially when it came to my relationships than I ever have in my life. And I think today I know myself better,

and I know what I'm looking for more based on that experience. Oh, yeah. Yep, I agree. And it's kind of, it's a weird exercise. to go through, and it's not one that people usually, you know, do it at a, you know, at that age, but I think it's incredibly valuable. And, you know, but at the end of the day, I think that one of the things that makes, you know, the bats are so compelling, not for having been on it, but, you know, watching it now or whatever,

is that I think that everybody that watches that appreciates the show is a little bit of a hopeless romantic and just has, has that belief that whether it happens, you know, at a coffee shop or on television or wherever it is that that possibility for love is always out there and you but the the most important ingredient which i came to find where you have to be ready to accept it you're looking for it certainly but you also have to be ready to accept that in your life and and make the you know the certain sacrifices and you know the energy and effort it takes to make all those things work and um and i think that's one of the things that's the most compelling about The Bachelor and No Other Show is that it's just, it's the curiosity, you know,

are those people in that episode and in this series? Are there two people that are like-minded? Are they both looking for the same thing? And if it happens, it's magic. Yeah. I mean, so on this podcast, we do like to kind of pick out some relationship advice because a lot of people email us and call on about relationship advice. And that is one right there, a nice little nugget from Andrew Firestone. If you can learn everything you want, you can process as much as you want, but unless you're willing to accept it,

then nothing will ever happen. Yep, absolutely. And on the show, we can see that. You know, we have a season coming up here soon with Ari. Have you met Ari? You know, I have. So I've met him years ago through car racing and through Firestone.

I'd met Ari Giva years ago. And, you know, then obviously he was on the show after I was. And it would be really a cool perspective to see somebody that's, you know, a little bit older and has gone through it to be able to go and go back. And I'm just so intrigued to see kind of what his experience is and how it turns out for him. Andrew, you are of Firestone Tires. Back in the day in 2003, they used to pick out The Bachelor based on not. who the fan favorite was from the season before. How did they approach you? And what were you thinking when they did? So back then it was, you know, people would submit videos or, you know,

some sort of submittal process for it. And I hadn't, I didn't do any of that. I actually hadn't had any awareness of the show. It, you know, it really wasn't all that popular up until kind of Aaron Bergey's season. And then, you know, with the first season, it kind of gained momentum and then kind of exploded a little bit later on. And so I didn't really wasn't aware of it. So I had gotten a call at my desk literally, you know, out of the blue from somebody from, you know, production. And, you know, I thought it was a prank. Couldn't figure out what they were talking about.

You know, they were saying, you know, what, you know, 25 girls and, you know, hot tubs and champagne and all the like. And I said, this has got to be some kind of joke. And it would literally, you know, I kind of put them off and had them, you know, they ended up calling back. and explained it to me and sent me, you know, copies of the show. And that was kind of how the whole thing started. It was totally out of the blue. And, you know, I think that at that point, you know, they were looking for probably somebody that had kind of an interesting background.

And, you know, again, there wasn't enough shows to have people from, you know, previous seasons to be on there. So it was a little bit, I think they were just trying to create some sort of, you know, interest in, you know, somebody with a, you know, different background. And that was kind of how it came to be. But when I went on the show, literally nobody, you know, I didn't know, obviously any of the girls, and none of the girls know who I was either. So that, you know, and both of you guys understand the moment when you walk out of the limos, that was totally, totally, you know, weird and awkward, even more so because nobody knew who they were meeting. And, and so it wasn't

actually until, you know, laid into the first night that anyone kind of figured out who, was who was who and um and so i was just petrified that one of the girls was going to walk out of the limo kind of take a look at me and get right back in and decide to drive off that was my that was my biggest fear and uh because there wasn't there wasn't that you know oh i'm going on the show because i know i'd love to meet this certain person or type of person yeah that's so so weird i've told the story multiple times but i never sent in my contract until they told me who the bachelor was because I wasn't about to, like, uproot my life for somebody who I didn't think was quality. Mm-hmm.

No, I totally get it. You know, so then it was – and actually, there was one girl on the show that ended up just leaving on her own volition. I think it was, like, in the second rose ceremony, she was like, this isn't what I want to do, or, you know, I think she put it nicer than that. But – Happened to me, too, Andrew. Happened to me to. What do you mean? Did some girl leave you to?

Yeah, Lauren Barr. She came up to me at the – I tried to give her a rose, and she came up to me at the rose, and she came up to me at the rose ceremony and said, yeah, I'm going to go home. she blamed it on stress and I was like girl you ain't stressed you actually had two Lauren B's he had four Lawrence in the entire season don't worry is it was easy to keep me straight Andrew did you have any like Sally Fs like where you had to use their like

sorry it's ever well back then Sally was a popular name has Ben Higgins for the longest time was Ben H yeah yeah there was there may have been I mean all the names back there it was he was totally confusing to try and keep everybody, you know, straight. So I had, you know, I had a little cheat notes in the first couple of rose ceremony, so I made sure I, you know, picked the

right person and, you know, got their names correct. Well, you know what, Andrew? I think it was, what's that? Ben didn't have to do that because Ben remembered everybody's name, night one. I was just too nervous. I did. I really did. I, I, and Andrew, you and I can talk about it. On night one, I feel like the show would love for you to mess up a name, so they don't really give you a ton of help. Um, and And so on night one, I was doing, like, memory games when I would take a little break to go get a drink of water. I'd be like, all right, you know, Sarah likes alligators. Her last name's Audrey.

Like, I would be connecting all these dots and, like, trying to remember their names. Because I was so nervous I was going to sit down with one of them and they were going to ask me for their name. And I'd be like, yeah, I don't know, but we're going to date. Like, or we already are dating. Like, let's just make out. Really. And so I actually remember. moment. It was one of the Lawrence. We sat down on a couch and she goes, what's my name? And I

literally blanked. But I remember meeting so many Lauren's at the first of the night that I was just like, I got like a 25% chance. Yeah. Lauren. Of course your name's Lauren. She goes, that's so sweet that remember. And I was like, I'm good at this. This is easy. Let's just keep going. That's awesome. Andrew, the women that came on your season were obviously very lucky. But your wife is even luckier, and you are a lucky man as well. I've met her. I've met your kids. You have just an awesome, awesome family. Can you catch us up with what you're doing today? Like, where is your family at? So it's funny, all the things that I had talked about back once upon a time when I was on The Bachelor kind of all somehow came to fruition. You know, I talked about, you know,

being able to move back to Santa Barbara where I grew up someday, you know, and, you know, start my family there and and all those things, you know, kind of came to fruition. It took a circuitous route, but, you know, I met my wife, like I said, you know, after the taping of the show for Jen, and we got married about two years later and eventually moved back to Santa Barbara. And now we have three young children. I have a son who's eight, the daughter who's six, and then another son who's three. And, you know, we're back living in Santa Barbara where I grew up. And, you know, we're back living in Santa Barbara where I grew up. And so, you know, couldn't be more, you know, just thrilled and lucky and blessed to have, you know, all these things in my life. You know, Ivana, you know, as my wife

and these three healthy, happy kids that drive me crazy and, you know, run me ragged. But it's, you know, that's kind of where, you know, the things that I had thought about and things that I'd pictured when I was, you know, 26, 27 on the show, all kind of came to be. And so there's something something to be said about, you know, kind of hoping for something, wishing for something, but then, you know, visualizing and making it happen, you know, whether it's in business or education, but in relationships as well. I think that, you know, that you kind of keep, kind of focused on things that are important to you and, you know, with some luck, they all kind of came to pass. So, yeah, raising kids. Oh, he is. I'm telling you. He is, he really is, like,

one of the best people ever met. I've had a blast with him. And I've been around Andrew, we did. We played golf at Jaden Tanner's wedding together, and then we did Good Morning America together just a few months ago as Nick got prepared for his season. We kind of sat on there and surprised him. Andrew, you really are one of the best people I've ever met. Before we send you off, I want to give you a chance here. You're in the brewery world, correct? You're brewing. My brother, my brother, so my brother is as a brewing company called Fireson Walker Brewing Company.

But I'm in the hotel business. So I have hotels up and down the coast. We've got one here in Santa Barbara. We're just about finished on a hotel in San Luis Obispo. We have a property up in Morgan Hill, which is just south of San Jose, California. And then we're under construction up in Santa Rosa, which is obviously got hit really hard with the fires recently. And, you know, thoughts and prayers to all the people up there rebuilding. And we're part of that effort to get Santa Rosa back up.

on its feet and moving again. So my business is, you know, we grew up in the wine business, feel very involved. We, you know, we grow grapes, make wine up in the St. Ines Valley. But I kind of flexed a little of my own entrepreneurial spirit and started my business a number of years ago. Which hotel and Santa Barbara? It's on State Street, at Laquinta Hotel and Suites, right up on, if you know, Santa Barbara State Street is kind of the main drag right downtown.

So we're right here in Santa Barbara. Awesome. Andrew, we appreciate you, man. Hey, thanks for coming on the Almost Famous podcast. You are truly one heck of a good person. We appreciate you. You know why you say that just because I let you cheat in golf. That was why I'm always, you know, eternally in your good graces is because I let you win, I should say.

Yeah, we should play again. And, Andrew, before you go, is that the same hotel of the Kardashians stay in the recent episode? No, the Kardashians were staying, I think, at the Biltmore four seasons. That was not in my hotel. I don't, we have never had the Kardashians, as far as I know, at any of our hotels. Oops. Close. Close.

We're really close there. But he can dream. He can dream. Exactly. Bye. All right. Cheers, guys. Thanks.

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One of the former producers from the Bachelor franchise made claims against some of the producers on the show for sexual harassment. And during that, you and I both, both did not know a lot about it. Our episode was kind of taped on the day it came out. And so to get the most info we could, we reached out to Ashley from the Hollywood Reporter, which also was with us during the Corinne and DeMario situation. And we have her back today to kind of catch us up on everything current with these claims.

Ashley, you're out there. Hi. How are you doing? Welcome back to the Almost Famous Podcast. Thanks so much for having me. So kind of like we did last time, can you just catch us up on everything. that's happened with this producer and the show since the last time we talked?

Okay. So the latest claim comes from Becky Stinghoek, who worked on the franchise on a couple of different shows, and she says that she was harassed at work by some of the producers on the series who were asking her very graphic questions about her personal life, specifically about her sex life that she was uncomfortable with. And when she complained about it, she was not hired back for another season. So she's suing for wrongful termination and a bunch of other claims, basically saying that, you know, she was retaliated against for bringing up her complaints. And so since that has been public, what has happened?

I know I saw, as I was kind of preparing for this, she has done a couple interviews. I started with the L.A. Times and also Megan Kelly. What has been said during those interviews? Basically, she's echoing a lot of the stories from her complaints. It's in her own words instead of in her attorneys. So she basically says she knew sex as a part of this show, but she didn't expect that to extend to personal questions about her life behind the scenes. I want to ask because I was listening to actually a radio show a few weeks back.

And so what she says is that some of the producers on the show were very personal and asking her questions about her sex life, about her personal life, and she felt uncomfortable. And at the moment, and I just need to, I want to get a little clarity, when it comes to your workplace environment, when you start to feel uncomfortable, is that terms for sexual harassment? Or what exactly, how do you define that? It depends. It's actually a pretty complicated issue. Warner Brothers has been here before. about a decade ago, an assistant on Friends filed a kind of similar lawsuit where she said she was uncomfortable with a lot of the very sexual conversations that were happening in the

Friends' writer room. And that case actually made it up to the California Supreme Court. And there they said that, you know, state law doesn't necessarily outlaw vulgar language or conduct that offends someone. But the major difference between that situation and this situation is the woman who sued over friends, none of the comments were directed at her. She was just witnessing them. Whereas in this case, these comments were directed at Becky, and it seems like once they realized she was embarrassed by them and uncomfortable by them, it sort of became kind of a game. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it rises to the level of sexual harassment either.

version of the story. Just to be clear, that's her version, whereas the other version is totally different. Hey, and Ashley, I'm assuming things are going to get even murkier on a show like The Bachelor where it's a kind of a family environment. You get to be really close friends with the cast. You're traveling with them. You're living with them for like two months in different hotel rooms on a whole bunch of planes. So like it's a weird place where work and friendship in life kind of all merge into one. I'm also curious about on the clock off the clock. Does that impact anything? That's interesting because I don't know if they're ever off the clock if they're like in a hotel room because we're kind of a 24-7 production. Ashley, what do you think? So we have a few

questions I know we're thrown at you there. Is the environment of the family kind of style of we're living together? Does that change things? Is there an issue? with when you're working, when you're not working, can you kind of dissect that? Well, you could make the argument that if you're dealing with a supervisor, you're never off the clock in terms of employment-based claims when you're with that person, just because of the power dynamic there. So I'm sure someone would argue that even if this was made, you know, at a restaurant when everybody was on a dinner break or whatever, that she could potentially make an argument

that, yeah, but these people were still my bosses, and it was still inappropriate. But at the same time, Warner Brothers said that they investigated her clients. They took it seriously, and they found nothing wrong. So it's interesting. This is going to be a really fun one to watch. Unfortunately, we're not going to get to watch any of it, because they've already filed a motion to move this into arbitration, or they've made a request with an arbitrator to handle the case, rather.

I think Megan Kelly addressed that on her show. that when you're an employee, a lot of cases, you agree to arbitration in incidents like this? Yeah, in almost every case. What does that mean? It means that any fights have to be made behind closed doors in front of an arbitrator who's usually a retired judge. That keeps everything out of the public eye, including the result. Those results are generally confidential also. and these provisions are inserted into just about every entertainment employment contract and people agree to them because they have to because if you don't want to do your job there are a hundred people staying behind you who want to do it and will agree to sign this I have a question about sexual assault and sexual harassment lawsuits

Warner Brothers of course said that there's no proof one is there ever proof in this particular case when we're dealing with harassment it wasn't two people alone in a room. So this isn't a he said, she said. There were plenty of witnesses. So obviously, unless one of these things was caught on video, there's not, like, definitive outside proof, but I'm guessing that the other people in the room, the balance is going to tip to one side or the other. Okay.

So not to backtrack too much, but you said Warner Brothers investigated the situation. They claimed there was no wrongdoing. what is that I mean I guess without going like what does that mean what are they saying happen then that these questions were asking it was okay these questions were never asked there was no uncomfortability like you know she was let let go in fairness like what what exactly if you break that down what are they claiming happen my guess would be and this is just a guess based on how past claims like these have gone is that they determined that any of these conversations that happened were part of the job. You're dealing with a show that

deals with sex, and it makes sense for the creative people who work on that show to talk about sex. Obviously, we're talking about reality TV and not a scripted series here, so it's a little bit different, but I think that is probably what they discovered. Okay, we're dealing with a show about sexual relationships. It's not far afield for our producers to talk about sexual relationships It's while working on the show. Okay. It's, again, you know, we kind of go back. I remember when we talk about the Karen and DeMara situation

and everything that's kind of surrounding this franchise right now, like you said, we might not hear anything else about this for months. We might never hear anything about this again. So the public really will just know the claims that were made, see these interviews, and now everything is going to be settled outside of the public eye, and we'll just be moving forward. The franchise wants to move forward? I would assume so, but because the people who run shows like these aren't new at this, they're very experienced, I would bet that there are some protocol changes to keep something from like this from happening again.

Even if they say there was no wrongdoing, they will probably make some sort of an effort to clearly spell out, you know, what kind of sexual conversations are okay within the workplace or are all of them and make sure that people fully understand that before taking a job on the show. I mean, we can only hope that when it comes to the workplace or it comes to life in general, that we can all be respectful of each other's feelings and beliefs and values and morals in whatever capacity that is. And so, obviously, sexual harassment has been a very hot topic. It's been out there now for the last few weeks, and there's been a lot of things kind of come up, and there's been some light shut on situations. The one thing that we can try to shed light on is, like, let's just respect each other. Let's love on each other. Let's work together in a comfortable environment.

So, hey, Ashley, we appreciate you coming on again. If anything crazy happens, if there's any big updates, if you don't mind, we'd love to call you back. Sure. Thanks so much. Ashley from the Hollywood Reporter, we appreciate you for your support. Not to change the subject. Talking about support. Ashley, I know I feel supported by this.

You feel supported as well. I just don't think that underwear supports women. Why not? I mean, it's very... Let's not fight about support, Ashley. I want to support you. You want to support me. Me Undies wants to support us both.

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This first email, it really, really touched me. I cared about this email so much that I want to get her on this podcast. We're in the process of calling her right now, but before we do, I want to read this to everybody out there, to all of our listeners. It says, hi, Ben and Ashley. I was in a relationship for about a year and a half with who I saw. thought was the absolute love of my life. The only fights we ever had or about this one girl he was really good friends with, but I always had bad feelings about. He always denied over and over again

that anything was going on, but sure enough, about a week ago, she confessed her feelings for him and they kissed. We broke up because I can't forgive cheating, but he also was not trying to fight for me at all, saying the kiss made him confused about his feelings. I can't eat, I can't sleep and I find myself crying at random times throughout today. We were long distance while he finished school and I had just spent a lot of money to visit him on a trip that we were really looking forward to. Do you think I should try to get him to reimburse me for this or do I need to let it go? Also, any coping suggestions you have to get through this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Sarah.

want to talk to Sarah. I want to process this with her. I know this is just a really hard story to read because her heart's in it you can tell. Sarah, are you out there? Hi, yes, I'm here. Hey, Sarah, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast. Hi, thanks for talking to me. It's so nice to talk to you guys. How are you feeling today? No, I'm doing okay. I'm a little angry. I bet. We just read your email that you sent us on air. We read it through its entirety. So our listeners now are updated on your story in your life. Sarah, really, I know Ashley just asked you. Just elaborate a little bit.

How are you doing? Yeah, no, it's a great question. Definitely been trying to keep a bit busy. I think the most surprising part is just the most difficult part, just how surprising the whole thing was, like where I was a week ago compared to where I am today. It's like you picture your life a certain way, and then a week later it's totally different.

and just a lot of different things going into it. So, you know, today, doing that is yesterday, but some days are harder than other days. Where's your mind at? I mean, I know in these situations, doubts arise, not only probably about yourself, but about the relationship and kind of how much it meant. Where is your mind at today?

I think it's in a place now where it's a little concerned, in the sense of, you know, you have this relationship that you think you're spending the right. for your life with somebody for over a year, and then it should kind of have that taken away. It's kind of like walls kind of go back up, and you're not really sure how trust is going to be and how future things are going to be. And so I think just my mind is kind of a convoluted, like, confusion and hurt and mad all at the same time. I don't doubt it, and that's fair.

You asked for our advice, and I want to give you mine. So first off, your story is not right. And the cheap answer here, the cheap statement I could make was you're better off without him now than you were with him. But that doesn't mean anything. And I know how that feels. And I know how it feels to hear that. It's just kind of like, well, thanks for saying it, but it doesn't fix anything. Yeah.

But your story is all too real with too many people out there. We actually tweeted, Ashley tweeted during this podcast for some advice for people like you. And our phone lines are just absolutely. blowing up right now. There's so many people that can relate with this story. And what I want to tell you is this. And I'm not an expert, Sarah. I'm going to try my best here because this email did really hit my heart and I feel for you.

Oh, I appreciate that. This sounds like a decision he made in a weak moment of his life. So my thought is always when you enter into relationship, you are committing. You're choosing to stay committed. that person. You're choosing to stay with that person. That is the value you're making when you put a title on, when you define your relationship. And if you are together, then that's what that means. And in no case, in no case is cheating acceptable. You're sharing your heart with somebody. You've given your heart to somebody. You've given that trust to somebody,

which doesn't happen a lot in life. And we can keep walls up and we can tear down walls. And that's what relationships kind of do to us and in these moments this is where heartbreak occurs um so you move on to say you can't sleep you can't eat and you find yourself crying through at random times throughout the day i just want to tell you're not alone um you're not different you you're handling this similar to i think how a lot of people would handle this sure um have you ever been through a bad breakup before This was the work in the sense. I think this would be the most serious relationship that I've had. Some of the situations, which I know you guys have dealt with.

I had, like, relations before, but they weren't super serious. They weren't good relationships, whereas this one was actually a good relationship that I pictured the rest of my life with this person. And so this was definitely just kind of a punch in the gut in all sorts of ways and just so confusing and so surprising and just so. hard to deal with. I mean, she was just so unexpected, especially when you don't have, you know,

other relationships necessarily compared to. It's kind of like, well, here's what it is. Yeah. And here's how it's going to be, you know what I mean? If you don't mind, before Ashton, I kind of sum up what we believe is the advice for you to move forward and the advice for you as a person, we have a lot of callers that are looking to give you some practical advice out there.

If you don't mind, we'd like to tag them into this podcast so that you can hear personally from them what their advice is. First, we have Victoria from Kansas City. Hey, Victoria, you out there? Yes. Hey, Victoria, we have Sarah on the line. Sarah has just recently gone through a really tough breakup, one that's affecting her deeply. And we know that you have some practical advice for anybody that's gotten out of a breakup.

Can you share that with us? Yes. So I recent, or it wasn't by recent, like two years went through a breakup with the love of my life. Like he's the only person that I've ever been in love with. and he was my first real relationship and honestly I think it was probably the best experience to learn about myself and time really does play a big part in it but if I could have done like some things differently to get over him faster definitely just hanging out your girlfriend like being surrounded by your friends um being around people kind of letting them know also

about what happened and like you know what you're going through because they're going to be to help you like they love you and I'm going to make sure you know they stop you from texting him or like keep you distracted from thinking about him stuff like that um and I don't know it's just really really hard because you have to be strong and stay off social media like I remember for like two weeks straight I just checked his Twitter like every yeah two seconds I was just like refreshing it and it was just so unhealthy and just really trying to stay distracted like I work at a company that has a gym with like classes every day like after work and I started doing those and just going home later so that

I went to sleep earlier and just kind of like filling my days with stuff and yeah so how long ago did you guys break up oh about a week ago so in that week oh yeah yeah this is going to be the hardest time for sure. Totally. Everything's really fresh. Together. About a year and a half. That's how long me and my ex

are together. Oh my gosh. Yeah. It's just everything's really fresh right now. And it's tough. And I know that, you know, for you, Victoria, you're coming from two years. Sarah, you're just a week out.

But Victoria, thank you for coming on. We have somebody else that has some advice for just random ways to heal. And Madison has a drastic way, but a therapeutic way to heal. Madison, can you please share your advice for Sarah on how to get over a breakup? Hey. First off, I'm super excited that I'm talking to you all.

Well, normally after I have a really bad breakup, I'll throw kind of a bonfire party with all of my friends where they can bring stuff of their exes. I bring, like, pictures and different things. We kind of just burn it. So that helps me, like, kind of get closure of the situation as well as, like, be with my friends. friends for support during that time that's cute I like that idea really that sounds crazy to me I've done that before with a friend it was more of like her the guy that she likes started dating a new girl and she printed out pictures of the new girl and burned it in my fireplace oh that sounds like a terrible sitcom that sounds

like something I would watch I'm like oh actually funny you get a good laugh out of it yeah all right I mean sorry guys how many times that have you thrown these parties? Only twice. Well, one was for myself and then one was for a friend of mine that was going to hear a breakup. I think it's cute.

I'm like, I'm into it. Amy, you had a crazy one, but I think I understand where you're coming from. I read this book, like, years and years ago. I don't remember what it was called, but it said to stick your feet in a bucket of ice

and think nothing but thoughts about the ex-boyfriend and then just think about it. Oh, wow. And you like train. your mind to dislike the person because it's

with the freezing ice. Oh my gosh, you guys. I never did it, but the book said. I hate cold feet. That might work for me. Wow. Oh, that's like a scary tactic. That's pretty much.

Madison, thank you so much for coming on and sharing your advice for Sarah. We appreciate you. Have a great day. We're going to move on to Danielle in Long Island. She has a good idea. Danielle, what's your plan when you break up with somebody?

So I think it's important to have something to look forward to. So, like, when I broke out one of my boyfriends, I bought VIP tickets to a concert I really wanted to go to. And then I booked a spontaneous trip to Miami because it's, like, important to do things that you enjoy with, like, people that you enjoy being with and to distract yourself. I agree. And I think that's a lot less dangerous than a fire. So getting together with your friends is a lot less dangerous since starting a fire. Daniel, we just had a caller, call in Madison, who actually gave pretty good advice from everybody else's perspectives in here that you should burn all of your ex's stuff in a big party format.

So, hey, Daniel, thanks for coming on the podcast. Yeah, of course. Hey, I think that Ellie in Minneapolis has a really good idea. Ellie, are you out there? I am. How are you? What great. We have Sarah on the line, and Ashley thinks you have some great advice.

Really? I've never heard that before. Well, no, I said that you need a little time to be miserable and, like, wallow in tears and just, like, cry and get postmates. Ashley, I know you have postmates. And, like, just not get out of bed. But I totally think you need to set a time limit for yourself. Like, if you're going to be like, okay, I'm going to cry, but I'm only going to cry for two months. and then I have to get out of bed, start hanging out with friends, and get back to my life.

I mean, I don't know if any of you listen to the podcast regularly, but Ashley, we talked to Julia Kinney a few weeks ago. And her advice to us on how to get over a breakup or how to get over a tragic incident in your life is to choose to move forward, choose to be happy. And so you're saying, Ellie, to choose to put a date on the calendar, choose a moment, to mourn why you need to mourn but choose to move forward at a certain day. well not exactly because like i love julia and i respect what she's saying she's amazing but i also think that choosing to be happy isn't always that simple like there are people who struggle with depression i'm definitely one of them and i can't always choose to be happy but i can choose to act the way that happy people ask and eventually I can convince myself

that I'm happy. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. That makes sense. Ellie, thank you so much

for coming on the podcast with your awesome advice for Sarah. All right. I love you guys so much. Oh, well, we appreciate you. You're my favorites. Hey, thank you so much for listening to All Most Famous Podcast, Ellie.

Yeah, thanks for having me. Hey, Sarah, I'm going to let Ashley start and I want to finish this conversation and just kind of send you off and try to figure out exactly how you're going to move forward so let's take a couple minutes here

Ashley, what kind of advice do you have for Sarah? All right, so I just came up with this while listening to everyone and I'm like, you know what, hanging out with your friends, that sounds like a good idea, but actually I find sometimes

that it perpetuates the heartbreak because I don't know about you, but when I get with my best friends, I feel like they're the people who I can continue to talk about this guy with and I can continue to wallow with. And then they're like, yeah, it was like the time then this happened to me. And then all of a sudden you're like in some man-hating sad conversation.

Yeah, I completely agree. Yeah. Because I have been doing exactly the same thing that, you know, going to hang out with my girlfriend, doing it every single night of the week. But then, you know, it's kind of happening. I'm like, all I'm doing is talking about it. Yeah. I'm getting upset.

And then if they don't like agree and that they're just like, oh, no, he's, you know, the worst, he's the worst. And it's like, well, but then you're like, he wasn't. and always the worst, and it's like, this would be helpful. Right. I mean, I understand having to talk it out. Like, I am somebody who really needs to talk out my problems. But then at some point, it becomes more of a problem because you're kind of, like, addicted to talking about him.

So what I would suggest is, do you have any good guy friends? Yeah. I always feel like my guy friends actually make me feel better in these circumstances, because they have a totally different perspective on guys, and they can tell you, and I don't want to say like you're more convinced that the guy wasn't right for you if your guy friends say it but sometimes if you open up to the guys who don't always you don't always talk about guy issues with they they make you see the light and you wouldn't always see that with your girl pals yeah no i totally agree with that that's good advice no i agree i mean here's my advice

and here's what's gotten me through tough breakup okay and i still and i don't want to be as vulnerable with you as possible. I still struggle at times. I'm not, I sit here and I'm not going to claim that I am completely healed that there isn't times that I'm still sad or there isn't times that my mind still goes back or whatever. You know, I can't promise that that will ever go away. Here's a few things that I've done. I have surrounded myself with really good friends. Those really good friends are people that when I'm just mad or sad or confused, before I react, I can confide. And by confiding and taking time, I can help, they help me process through this. Now, I've chosen two really good friends in my life to process through any really hard

relationship stuff, especially during this time I life with. So they know the whole story. They know everything. They know the things that I've really messed up on, the things that's really broken me, the things that my partner's really messed up on. So they can help me from a kind of a non-biased perspective, say, Ben, you're in the right. Ben, you should be sad. Ben, Ben, shouldn't been you need to move on or hey like you need to apologize so they've held me accountable so that's one thing i if i was you i'd choose two really close friends two or three that will walk with you in this because they'll be able to emotionally support you as well you won't have to talk about this situation all the time because they

know that's not what's best for you but when it is best for you to talk to you about the next is i'd find i'd find a counselor and i'd find a counselor soon um i did i would go to therapy and i would talk this through with with a trained professional i think it is incredibly important with anything in our life. I think is not only with tragic situations, even when we're in seasons of life that we're celebrating, I think going to a professional to release any type of feelings, any type of emotions is incredibly important. Life consumes us. Life tires us out. Life makes us sad. And any of our listeners out there, I would recommend go into therapy, going to counseling, talking to people that are trained. It is incredibly important, especially in this day and age.

to have people surrounding you that you can lean on. Because the worst thing you can feel. And Sarah, I never want you to feel this way. Listen to me, okay? This is what I'll tell you. I never want you to let your mind go here because it start. It will. Okay?

And anybody out there, listen to me, you aren't alone. The worst feeling can feel is loneliness and you aren't ever alone. There's others out there that are dealing with this that are processing this. This is life. Life has ups up and downs. But I can promise you, Sarah. From the email that you read and the actions that he took, you are in a better place. Yeah.

From hearing the way you've listened to all these callers and you've processed with them, I know that your life, I can't promise a lot of things, but I can promise you this. There is joy to come. So, Sarah, thank you for your email. Thank you for listening to the Almost Famous Podcast. Thanks for hanging out with this a little bit today. Yeah, thank you so much for talking to me. This was so much better than I expected.

I really appreciate it. And going off what Ben was saying, don't ever feel like. a loser for talking about it um i think a lot of people feel like he was saying people think that they're alone but they're totally not and then they feel like ashamed to talk their feelings out and it's just like no we all've been like we've been through it or we've been through something similar everybody can relate so just talk it out it makes you feel so much better yeah definitely well thank you guys so much hey thanks sir i appreciate it hey um you know it's interesting as we're as i have the caller list kind of up here in front of me from all the people that did try to call in to give advice.

Everybody up on the screen right now is saying cut them off, you know, get them off, delete them from social media, don't look at his Facebook profiles, you know, lay in bed and cry for a little bit, then wake up and say you're no longer thinking about it. I'm like, the cut it off advice seems to be the popular one, so I would imagine it would work. I mean, it is hard to cut people off. I still, to this day, struggle with that. Like I'll get on my Instagram and I'll go, you know, there's that search or you can search other people and, you know, somebody pops up in my, in my search bar and it's so tempting to me to click and I've done it a few times and it just, it's, it's, it's your heart sinks. Yeah.

It automatically your heart sinks and it brings you back so far emotionally from where you came. It's like poison. It's like poison. It really is. And it happens to me over and over again. And it's like a bad addiction. It's a bad drug. It is like poison.

But once you stop, you stop. You stop. Do you? Once you're off the junk, you're off the junk. I remember my relationship in college and with a good friend of mine now. When we broke up, it was really hard on me. And I remember kept checking my Facebook and also, this gets sounds crazy. But my text to see if she would text me.

I was obsessed with it. I was obsessed with checking to see what she was doing, where she was at, who she was dating. Is she with anybody yet? Is she happy? You know, whatever. Or every time your phone goes off and you're like, is that her? Yes. Is that him?

And it really happened on The Bachelorette. This is where The Bachelorette really means a lot to me. is where I tend to take three months away from my phone. It might have been the first time I'd ever gone that far without checking her, and I got off the show. And now we're friends, and I can see her, and I'm happy for her when she's dating somebody or whatever that is. But when I got off the show,

it was the first time I didn't have that angst in my heart to. What's she doing? Did I get a text from her? I had the same, same experience. So our advice to you is go somewhere where you're not going to have any technology for two months and then try to get somebody else. Go to a movie theater or somewhere where you really can't look at your phone all the time.

The phones are like the dead. devil now. I mean, I'm even looking at my phone, like, reading text right now going, what does he mean? What does he mean by that? What does that mean? And you just make yourself. The devil is in the screen. So here's another piece of advice, Sarah. Just dress up, look good. Yeah, I know. And you know what a way to look good? Yeah, with bio clarity. With bio clarity. The holidays are upon us. And for a lot of us, our number one wish is skin, you can be proud of. Sarah, we want you to be proud of your skin. I bet you are proud of your skin. Sarah, you just sound like a beautiful person. I but you're a beautiful person, but I want to tell you, that is where bioclarity comes in,

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about age for a second because we've mentioned how spoilers online seem to indicate that Ari's girls are a young crowd like early 20s. People did not like that I called Ari old. Oh, sorry. Amy called Ari old, but

just letting you know Amy's a bit older than Ari. Way. And let's be clear. Ari is old in comparison to the Bachelor franchise. But not really because Nick is 37. Nick is old for the bachelor franchise in comparison for somebody that's active on the show andrew firestone said he was 26 yeah i mean

if you think about it so if andrew fireson was 26 when he was the bachelor in 2003 that's 14 years he's only 40 he's only four years older than are he three years older than nick yeah that's weird that's so weird so like i mean in comparison they both are old but what about like those other celebrity couples with huge age differences. There is Scott Dissick who's 34 and Sophia Ritchie who's 19. I don't know why that's wonk in me out. Okay, wait. See, this age of 15 years is probably something we wouldn't really blink at when the guy is older than the girl, but she's 19. And that is so creepy. I've been a little intrigued by Catherine McPhee and David Foster. I don't know if they are or aren't. They're very coy about it. They make sense to me because she's so Broadway.

she's got the voice and he's all pianist and like composer or you know and and he's attractive he's like 70 yeah he's 68 he looks great for his age I see the two of them together despite the I don't want to do the math but uh over our 30 year age difference you guys I was watching scandal this week and as I always do you know as I always do but President Fitzgerald Tony Goldwyn, he's really had an effect on me lately. And he is 57 or 58 in real life, which is only four years younger than my father. But that is the one guy I would go for if I was going to. So you would date him if he wasn't married and you had the chance. Yeah. I think so.

But he's hot with his shirt off. I think that makes a big difference too. Well, I think it's also hot that he's the president, you know, that authority. Would you date someone older? Like, how about me? Yes, he would. You said Courtney Cox and Jennifer Wait, I'm 43 and you're what? I'm 28. What do you think if we? Shaded, you've tried. Amy is a cougar, but it also seems like Ben is willing to go older.

Ben, how much older? Honestly, I don't know how to say this other than probably making half our listeners mad. I want kids. Yeah. So that has to come into play. Like at some point, that's no longer medically healthy for, for, for, the woman. Yeah.

And so I would have to take that in consideration. So at this point in my life, that would be my big decided. So that's the only reason you and I aren't. Yes, Amy, that's the only reason. Also, to the men out there, I want kids. And so people who are like, you know, concentrating your career, you have your whole life. I don't.

I have a bit of a window. I mean, I think, I don't know if age is, I think true love can exist in all places at any time. with anybody. I think true love is a magical thing. Andrew Firestone earlier on this podcast called Love Magic. He said in The Bachelor World, when two people can come together on a show, it's magic.

And I believe in that. I felt that. I've seen that. So love is magic. I can't put a number on it. I don't want to. I don't know when that will happen for me. So I can't say I would or I wouldn't.

I'm not just picking people out of the air and saying, hey, yeah, you're older and I would date you. What I'm saying is this. I think there is an appropriate age range. And that being said, would you date a 19-year-old? No, I would not. I don't think. You would mentally connect with them.

Well, for my experience, and this is a stereotype, this is a generalization. I could completely be wrong. I've said this before. I'm very careful about when I say I would never do something anymore. It's life experience for me. So somebody at 19 has a lot less life experience than somebody at 24. Somebody at 24 has a lot less life experience I've seen than somebody at 27, 28. somebody at 40 has a lot more life experience than I do at 28 so it's not exactly maturity I've met 19 year olds that are incredibly mature that are in fantastic people that are doing great things for this world what what they lack is the life experience so how old is Dissick and how old is Richie she's 19 and he's 34 we know he has a lot of life experience but what do they talk about what do you think they're talking about while they're tanning out there I don't think they're talking much I don't think they're talking much just from the pictures I

I've seen. It doesn't look like they're talking. Hey, Amy, can you figure out what Lionel Richie thinks of this? I don't, somebody did ask him, and I don't think he was like, super thrilled. That was the vibe I got like, oh. Really, a dad's not jacked about this? The dad's not just like, yeah, I'm cool with this. This sounds awesome. Come on, come on, Dot. What is he seems like a great guy. He's proven it over and over again on TV. He has three kids, too. Three kids. Uh-huh. I mean, So that's my advice is find somebody that has similar life experience, similar values, similar morals with you. And so I can't say, hey, I would or I wouldn't fall in love with somebody younger

to me or older. But it would be in my mind right now, this conversation makes me very uncomfortable. Okay, and I'll just go on a limb here. And if you disagree or agree with me, please email us at ben and Ashley at iHeartMedia.com. When I see a third-year age difference in a relationship, it makes me uncomfortable. It does. I don't know why, but it does. Yeah.

Sometimes you can't tell so much. Does John Stamos and his Caitlin McHugh? Does that make you uncomfortable? Have you seen pictures of them? Yes, they seem fine. That doesn't make me uncomfortable. I think it's because Stamos is so studly. It doesn't matter.

Yeah. He can do whatever he wants. And he does want kids. You know he wants kids and he doesn't have any. Yeah. I don't know. I honestly, I just, I'm very uncomfortable right now. And with that, hey, everybody,

thank you so much for listening in. We want to thank our special, special guests, Andrew Firestone and Ashley from the Hollywood Reporter. Next week, it's Thanksgiving week, but we'll be here. We ain't stopping. We work. That was news to me. I know. Originally, I was going to give you guys vacation and then I had to change it.

I was going to say, I'm just finding out on this podcast right now that I'm working next week. Sounds good to me, Amy. You might get Christmas if you're lucky. Yeah, thanks. Celebrate, celebrate, be happy. Hey, we appreciate you listeners. it's good to be back I just got back from Honduras

I'm happy to be here Ashley's happy to be here we're going to keep rolling with this we're six weeks out from The Bachelor again this is our off season and we're still chugging we have I mean I think we estimated this last week

that if we add up all of our episodes and all of the listeners we're way over 5 million listeners I mean that's nuts that's 5 million listens to almost famous podcast it's not listeners that's been listens

that's that's Apple Yeah, Apple. Just got to tell it how it is. Hey, again, keep in touch with us. We appreciate you. We'll talk to you soon. Until next time, I've been Ben.

I've been Ashley. See you soon. Peace out. Ow! Follow the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcasts on IHartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.