The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - S4 #10 Arie's Finale

Episode Date: March 6, 2018

Ben and Ashley recap the drama filled Bachelor Finale! They discuss where Arie went wrong, and if the break up should have been televised. And joining them straight from the cast, it's Seinne, Kendall, Tia, and Caroline, to break down everything from the season, behind the scenes and beyond. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Okay, let's go. This is the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcast with IHartRadio. I'm still feeling awkward. I feel really weird about this week. Not only because I haven't been here in a while, I don't know if I necessarily remember how to talk. Yeah, I was going to say. But we also just finished one of the most dramatic, definitely the most dramatic, but also I want to explain the most awkward bachelor show I've ever seen. And you're there.

So you just arrived to the IHeart studio from the actual live viewing of the finale. So tell us how it felt with an audience around you. It felt like this. Really? Just silence. Just like gasp. No gasping. No gasping.

A few booze, a little shock. Was Ari there? No, Ari wasn't there. The part that made it interesting to me was the women from Ari's season were there. there and and we're actually going to bring them into studio because we saw them at at live taping of tonight's episode and and we had to get them in studio to hear their um thoughts on this episode i guarantee we're going to get some fiery uh really upset friends of becca and here in just a few minutes and i'm i'm like can i say i'm excited for it yeah yeah i mean it's odd i was just

with kately bristow watching the finale and we were like kind of laughing during some parts but only because we knew that what was going to happen with the switcher because he was, I don't know. It was never funny, but maybe we were laughing out of awkwardness. I do that. I, I giggle. I mean, I think it's the best way to respond. I mean, when something's so awkward, something that we should not be a part of, we should not have been a part of that conversation.

So you just tweeted this and you're now trending on Twitter because what was the actual tweet? Yeah, I'm actually trending personally on Twitter. Some hate, some not, fine with it. It says, how did this, I tweeted, how did this? breakup end up on camera? I want to ask that question. I think if I had Ari sitting in studio today, my number one question to him is not that he made the switcheroo, not that he had to upset somebody, not that he even realized that he made a mistake. Why was this breakup on camera? He said that. He answers that in the show. When did he answer that in the show?

I mean, I think what we're referring to is Ari says, I did this now so we don't have to do it on the final rose. I don't know if there's a difference. Wait, why was he so obsessed with getting in on camera? Didn't I didn't watch Jason Mezick's season, but didn't he break up with Melissa before after the final rose? He didn't break up with her on camera? Oh, he broke up with her on camera.

So I think she had an inkling, which I got the vibe that Becca had an inkling. Yeah, it seemed like it. It seemed like it. But I think the real thing happened then. And then he told, what's her face? Jason Meznik told Molly live, I like you still.

So I think he was trying to avoid that too. He wanted to get with Lauren right away. Okay. So let's break down. I think this, Ashley, this leads to a further conversation before we continue to talk about this because I understand the whole podcast, and it should be. This topic, this scene, this episode is something that we could stretch out for a whole season of podcasts. I believe that.

Pretty much. And we're going to talk about it throughout the next hour here. I want to ask you, should this have been shown on camera? I mean, definitely not, but somehow... What would have been the better way? The better way would him to break up with her and then come on after the final rows and be like, we broke up during the time

between filming and now, and then I try to pursue something with Lauren. Better for who, guys? It would be better. Okay, well, here's this turnaround. So you'd think of most... You'd think, like, just for the sake of, like, a private relationship, you'd want to do it off camera. But Caitlin brought up a couple good points before.

one, it's almost as if Lauren sort of needs to see this for like this sake of their own relationship going forward but mostly for Becca to become the Bachelorette in such a quick turnaround this needed to happen they need to show the breakup they needed to show the break up why is it maybe I mean maybe Caitlin gave some of it by the way I want to hear how Caitlin's doing a little bit

but before I do why is it that is humans because I have to be yes I mean, you're all so excited about it. My tweet was, we shouldn't be a part of this conversation. Yeah. I shouldn't be watching this, but I can't turn away. And that last hour, it was very little momentum.

Honestly, all we did was like watch her cry for an hour and walk around the house. Yeah. And they could have shopped that up into 10 minutes. But yeah, we did still want to watch the whole hour. It's horrible. It's classic. Got to look at the car accident on the side of the road. So for all of you listening right now, Ashley and are kind of recapping the last

scene of the first after the final rose for this week's for the finale of r a season of the bachelor it was a train wreck and this whole season let's start at the beginning this has been a really interesting season for us we were excited to start the bachelor because i think that time in between shows is difficult for us we have a lot to talk about i love talking to you actually but the bachelor is is really our sweet spot i mean that's where we thrive and through this whole season, it felt disconnected. It felt like we never quite, even as fans of the show, you're bringing up lots of points. Am I? Yeah. Well, then write them down. I am writing down. It never felt like we could engage. And it wasn't because of the women. I think the women on our season

were terrific. And it necessarily wasn't because of Ari, because the only thing we asked at Ari was to be authentic and genuine. But at some point, at some point in this season, the fans of The Bachelor and you and I agreed, There had been a disconnect, and we didn't understand why. And I want to hear your opinion on why this season never sat. And honestly, and I want you to go off with this, tonight was the very first time I felt emotionally connected this season. Okay, so actually, tonight made me realize what we were missing the entire time. It was tears.

You guys, Arryn may be the first bachelor who hasn't shed a tear in this entire process. During the breakup with Lauren during that scene, And then during the breakup with Becca, he didn't shed a tear. And his lack of empathy is actually concerning me. What did you think about the way they edited or not for that matter? The way they showed the one camera on Ari and the one camera on Becca with no edit. It was, it was, I didn't necessarily know why we needed that until they started walking around the house. But it just, honestly, the whole last hour was just dragged out when it didn't have to be.

There's so much about what you were just saying, Ashley, that I think we need to tap into. I've talked to a couple people even tonight after the show that we're in the VIP room. And Ari had this lack of empathy or just lack of... I think he was super authentic and incredibly genuine. I think he really wanted to find somebody. But when you watch him have these conversations, and to Amy's point, tonight, As we watch an unedited. I mean, how many times we hear that?

Unedited. Never before seen. Undefeated. Clip on The Bachelor. For the very, I mean, I watched Ari, and I still just felt like he wasn't there. He wasn't. He was, like, walking around soulless. It was weird.

I don't get it. I think that's one of the things about The Bachelor that I always go back to is for weeks and weeks and weeks. This show, you're breaking people's hearts. Jason Mezzanick said it tonight on TV. He said, you know, you're breaking hearts day after day after day. And if that doesn't bring out emotion in you. I don't know what else will. And it really does.

It pulls at you. And as The Bachelorette or Bachelor, I would tell anybody that, you know, one of the big reasons, honestly, that I would have a hard time ever doing The Bachelor again would be because I don't think I could take the emotional toll that it pulls out of you. it puts you in a place that you have to heal and recover emotionally for months after and I don't know if I saw that in Ari and I can't speak to it because I haven't talked to him and that is a very personal conversation hey how did this show affect you

but tonight as I watch the breakup what I can say is it just didn't seem like he was there and I don't understand why because if there's one moment Ari there's one moment that you need to be there it's in that moment It was like he was just going step by step, like, with the biggest wall up being like, if you let yourself feel this, you are going to die.

So you can't feel anything? I think that's a good point. Or do you think, Ben, that he got so pummeled on TV by Emily that he couldn't do it again? Honestly, if he ever used the excuse of Emily, I know, right? I would say that I don't know how often I can look back on something that happened five years ago, even a breakup and say it truly affects me that deeply today. I would have a hard time feeling that way And she wasn't mean to him She broke up with him

Yeah I mean I you know The women from my season that I broke up with They're doing just fine Just ask Becca She's pretty happy Yeah Jojo's pretty happy too Jojo's doing just fine

The twins are you know Living the dream What I thought was really interesting Was that he said You know he loved Lauren And he loves Becca right And it's so so hard to break up with somebody that you don't even love or you know someone who's just driving you insane let

alone somebody that you are currently in love with and for him not to like be shedding tears yeah it's just bizarre it's bizarre so that brings up a good point uh one that i want to discuss with the women when they get here in studio why would ari propose and as fans of the bachelor i would like everybody to write in to uh ben and ashartmedia.com let us know if on a bachelor's see you you would be disappointed if a proposal did not exist at the end, or if you believe that a proposal should have happened on this season of The Bachelor. Did you see my tweet before walking in here? Ashley, I don't read everything.

Okay, so you may be a little Twitter famous today, too, but I did get 3,000 likes on this, and that's a lot for me. That's a lot for me. It says, I wonder why Ari didn't just say, I need to date you both longer in real life in order to make this right decision. I think that's a great point. It was my one advice to Nick before he started as a bachelor. It would be my one advice to anybody that starts this thing.

The beauty, the beauty, beautiful part about the Bachelor and Bachelor app is that it sets you up for one of the most romantic, most meaningful proposals that you could ever have in your life. It is an incredible opportunity to get down on one knee, have a beautiful ring in a beautiful location, and tell somebody that you've met on television that you love them. I think that could be a really great start to a really cool story for the rest of your life. but in that same token in that same voice I would tell anybody to not get down on one knee unless you truly meant it as a fan of the show

and as a fan of love and as a fan of authentic love I Ashley and tell me if you agree or disagree I do not want a proposal to end of the Bachelor or Bachelorette unless I know and I think this should be the standard that we set from here on out that I know that couple is truly going to work to make it last Oh 100% and like talk about a juicy

finale. It's still juicy for him to say, I need to date both of you in real life. That's still unprecedented. I would still tune in the after final rose. Yeah, and it's far, yeah, and then it's like, and I will be able to make my decision in three months from now on after the final rose or something like that. And it's been far more respectful

to both of the girls' feelings to just extend it. And you know, you've been dating 30 girls for the past two months. What's a couple more weeks dating two girls? They have to be okay with that, right? Can you guys talk about this after this spot? Because you guys need to do a commercial. I'm curious what you think

on this, and I can't take credit for this. Our friend Tanya came up with this theory, and she thinks Ari went with Becca because of his brain. But if he went with his heart, he would have gone with Lauren. I think that's. I'd love to hear what you guys think about that. All right, so you guys, Bowlin Branch

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leads us to the main question here. When did he know? And how did he know? I bet you he knew pretty much right away. I bet you once he proposed to Becca and then they were in their first set of happy couple weekend. You know, like you got three days alone,

right? Afterward, I bet you he started that debate in his head that weekend. You're kidding me. Well, I don't know. This is just a guess. Well, I'm just thinking about that.

Yeah, I know, right away. As in like right then and that hotel room that night. I'm sitting here and I'm just thinking about how, I mean, I don't, I don't,

maybe this won't be, this will be, not very popular, I don't necessarily find it bad of Ari to say, hey, I've made a mistake. As humans, we are entitled to make mistakes, but we also have the obligation when we make mistakes to recognize that we were wrong. Being wrong is a part of being human, but we have to learn and then move on. And also, within that mistake, understand that somebody's feelings are going to be hurt and how do we best approach the situation to not try to hurt the feelings more so if we're assuming that ari picked um becca um and very quickly understood that this isn't for me and that

i still love Lauren it's not bad for him to recognize that I just have a problem with the breakup and the breakup is where and the breakup being on TV but I mean I remember going back to the happy couple few days after the happy couple weekend. It's really interesting. I mean, they're a great thing and the show doesn't need to do this, but they do this for the betterment of the relationship. As soon as the proposal ends, you have a big celebratory dinner with everybody that really works in the show. It's really fun and there's a good drink and there's good food and everybody's happy and there's tears and I just remember that

evening so well. And then afterwards, you're alone. They drive you to a house and you're in a house on location wherever you spent for a few days and that's your time to be a couple it's so weird but it was really natural for me and my i think it's weird to wake up that next morning and realize there's no cameras i don't have a certain time i have to get up there's no other women involved in my life and my fiance is now with me i think that's weird yeah but it was very natural for us and it was a lot of fun but i remember that next day um i told loren hey this is how this thing went down this is where my feelings were at I mean, this is where my feelings are now.

And she was nothing but supportive at the time. I think as the show airs, it gets harder because now you have to watch it and hear it and see it and get asked about it. Yeah. But I could see where as soon as all the cameras leave and as soon as you are in charge of entertaining each other, that maybe you would realize, I made a mistake. I just cannot believe that our man Ari, that our man, Ari, that our. man Ari let this play out the way it did he had to put his foot down he had to say something and it brings me to a point Ashley I want to ask you about as well and then we'll get off from Ari's failures and hopefully talk about some successes if we can find some um there's a moment where Ari's parents

are speaking about the two women and I remember back to my time on the bachelor and how much of an impact my parents this or I guess opinion mattered on my decision do you think that Ari's parents swayed him in a certain way and put too much influence onto his decision where he no longer knew what he thought for himself

his parents That is such an amazingly good question because if you watch they said it was very close but they liked Becca they liked Becca well you know what Ben I don't want to like

bring up anything awkward or anything but didn't your parents say that they were a little bit swayed to the Jojo decision? I was going to say that they never said to me personally no they said it to me personally No. They said it on camera.

They said it on camera. Now, you know, that was one of the, it's famous now. One of the executive producers just did an interview about this with my only blow up with The Bachelor. Never been talked about before. My only blow up with The Bachelor was they had my parents to Jamaica. And this is now a public story that was released. And I have a really good relationship with the show. The show has been really good to me.

I want to make that very clear. But they have my parents out to Jamaica. There was an interview that they did with them about, you know, the two. two women that were left and the show made it look very one-sided. And I knew that wasn't the case because my parents had talked to me and they had said, you know, hey, we have a feeling. We don't necessarily want to share it because we just got to know these women, but we are leaning a certain way, but we understand that we just met these women. And so just know that, you know, whatever this works out, we think they're both really great. That was their advice to me. But there was some very

direct comments in the show that made it look like they were very one-sided. And it made my My parents look almost judgmental. And so I put my foot down. I called the show and I said, this is not going to fly that my parents didn't sign up for this. They shouldn't have to be involved in this. And the show responded in a very gracious, peaceful manner where I was fired up, right? You've messed with my family.

And they said, let's talk this through. Was this before or after it aired? Before. Wow. And we talked it through and we came to a conclusion that, hey, let's not a, totally destroy somebody's families through this and they didn't want to do that they were trying to accurately display the story but they took a little too far and i think that was the one moment that i look back on and i also remember the show being very gracious and forgiving and say let's work

let's work through this which i think was really great at them but i do see where families with all that being said i can see where families have a huge impact and the decision of the bachelor Because for the first time, you've got to think about this, for the very first time in the three months that this thing films, you are able to confide in somebody that you are trusted outside of the producers. And so for the first time, somebody comes in and they say, here's my opinion, you're going to listen. Yeah. You're going to listen. So, yeah, I think Ari's family did have a huge impact in who he chose. I wrote down some things while you were going off because I did not want to.

interrupt your very, very intuitive thoughts. Thanks, Ash. There was a lot of foreshadowing this season about Ari's kept, he kept saying throughout it. He was like, I'm worried I'm going to make a mistake or I'm going to pick the wrong girl in the end. And it's just like so banana is that it was like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Really? Do you think he was in his own head about this the whole time?

I don't know. Can we do that as people? Can we actually predict our decisions before him? Oh, my gosh. Yes. And I think I'd love to hear both of your opinions on this. and I'm going back to it again. Becca was the logical choice for him.

And he always sort of said that. She's the one that, you know, gives me a kick in my pants. She's confident. She's this, she's that. All these things that your brain says, Becca, Becca, Becca, but that's not what love is. So I think that was his ultimate downfall is that he went with his brain when he was in love with Lauren. But she was not the easy choice. She won't be the easy choice.

Well, what's interesting to me about Lauren And I know Why is there so many freaking parallels between R.E.C.? No, I know. It's so sorry. Gosh, dang it. It's so much. So sorry.

With Lauren, she didn't, it wasn't, everything was so on the same wavelength with her. Like she didn't even show like much emotion in her voice when she got broke up with. Nothing. There's no inflection there. Isn't that bananas? I also keep saying this is bananas

because the thing is you guys I have a lot of questions but I don't have any answers when it comes to this finale. It's just, it was so unbelievably unemotional in lacking in empathy. She, even when he proposed

to Becca, that was the least sensation I've ever had while watching a finale. Have you ever watched a finale and felt so little No. You said this. I think it was when we first started, Ashley. I found this. I'll never forget this. Because I've watched The Bachelor Show for a while, especially since my season. And I've watched it for entertainment. I've watched it for love because I think some of the coolest stories come out of it. And then my friends I get to see really happy. But you said something in one of our first episode. You said, when it comes to proposal, you've never not cried, correct? I have to admit, didn't cry during Rachel's either. But I still felt more than I felt today. You know what I did today? I was like scrolling on Twitter and texting while the proposal was happening. And normally, if anything is going to glue my eyes to that TV, it's a batch of proposal.

So there's two things that could happen there. Either Ashley is getting insensitive and hates love or this proposal just didn't pull on the heartstrings. Moving on, I think for me, the next topic I want to bring up and invite our listeners in to respond to is when you watch The Bachelor or in any relationship in life how do you know when it's the right person How do you know when it's the right person?

Actually I want to ask you what would be your advice to any listener out there and I think we're going to speak Let's speak just because we'll keep the theme We'll speak directly to Ari right now Ari if you're going to give Ari advice And this was four weeks ago when he's trying to make this decision How do you know when you found the right person Which person do you like more than food?

I know that sounds stupid, but I've recently... Well, you have a... You're not laughing. No, I've recently scored. This is a great test. Ashley, please... No, she's not laughing. She's very...

I'm sorry, Ashley. I'm laughing, but I... Okay, now you're laughing because you're awkward. Wait, please explain. I guess, like, I guess food might be, like, my other love of my life. Like, the other thing I get riled up with, and I look forward to all day long. to see you know yeah i like really look forward to having my dinner and i need to be able to look forward to seeing this person more than i look forward to you my dinner i've never i don't even

i can't this reminds me of a cat lady this isn't real like i got i got to find something i love more than my cats then why don't you tell us how you know when it's love yeah i mean i i just think it's better than pizza yeah well i mean i get what actually saying okay so let's let's let's say that i need you to live basically yeah i need you to be there so when you know it's right person i've i've talked about this a couple times uh you know i have an amazing family one that i'll always look back and love and cherish and they've given me great advice throughout the years but i remember one of the one times i really needed my dad i looked at him i said dad how'd you know mom was the one and i meant this uh it was coming off of a breakup uh i was pretty young at the time and i remember just going

dad you would have the answer is this how do you know when they're the one that's so cute And so, Ben, like, the story you told me about you putting flowers by your 13-year-old crushes locker. Yeah. See, I'm a hopeless romantic. And my dad looks at me. And I'm like, this is going to be great. And he's going to so appreciate the fact that I'm leading on him. It's just like the food thing.

And he goes, Ben, you just know. So I've taken that throughout the years, and I'll never forget it because he meant it. And if my dad says something to me, especially when it's something that he knows is important to me, I'd like to believe that there's a bigger reason and a bigger meaning behind it. So I'd like to break this down a little bit. What he, I think, means... Oh, wait. Okay. Go ahead. ...is when you see somebody, when you're around somebody,

when you feel that love for the first time, it's completely different than anything you felt before. I've felt that love. Yeah. My world has stopped around somebody else before. Yeah, yeah. My life has completely changed in an instant. because of my

interaction with another human and that's not happening very often but it happened a few times in my life and at that moment I just knew that something was different that something more existed in this relationship but you said that you felt it multiple times in your life but then how did you know that it was the one the one the one actually do you forget that I'm also the person that told two people I love them I know so you just like it was like it was

love not the one yeah i mean when you know it's love and and i mean that gets into a topic that we could discuss here is you know do you believe that there's one single person made for you i personally do not do not i personally believe um that you can have a healthy uh loving thriving relationship with multiple people um not at once uh but there there's multiple people out there or maybe yeah i mean this is a non-judgment podcast but i would say that my world has stopped for two people okay and at that moment i couldn't help but ask the question what does this mean and what does this look like for the future and so my my insight into this when we talk Bachelorette and Bachelor is I don't think you can be so conflicted and feel those feelings

that I felt. Okay, so that's what I just wrote down. I said the bottom line is Ari hasn't found the one. Neither of these girls are his wife. But Ashley, I want to tell this, and this isn't a judgment towards Ari at all, because what I'm saying is I didn't know those feelings existed until I felt him. And so if Ari had never, has never felt his world stopped for another person, if Ari's never felt that feeling of, I would give up my life for this moment, for this person, I would give up everything because they are that special to me. If he's never felt that, we can't expect him to make a decision based on that.

Okay. That's right. Very profound. I think love is making sacrifices for someone else and they aren't sacrifices. Does that make sense? you're so willing to do it that it's not a sacrifice you know you're and so that's where he didn't do that in this case yeah and so we'll go back to the beginning like is when my dad told me Ben you just know there's more to that than just then you then you just know you there is

something there that tells you I think it could tell all of us and I would I would ask all of our listeners out there if you felt this feeling before if your world has stopped for another person, please write us in with that story at Ben and Ashley at iHeartMedia.com. I will tell you that for everybody out there, for everybody listening, I hope your world stops for somebody else at some point in your life. I hope you feel that. I know you guys need to talk about bad fit fun, but we're getting flooded with emails. So can I read this to you guys really quick?

Because I'd love for you to sort of to share your thoughts. So this particular listener is upset because if you look on Ari's Instagram, it is ugliness right now so he's you know so this person says the world we live is such a sad place i can't believe that it's okay to write such horrible things um and she goes on to say i called off my engagement nine days before my wedding because i was still in love with my ex i assure you i was hard enough on myself as it was i couldn't imagine getting the hate that r is receiving on top of this i'm really counting on you guys to be the ray of hope during this difficult season finale and i think that's interesting that she can relate because she was in a situation like that and people

are. Oh, this isn't, this isn't an uncommon scenario. I mean, there's people sitting in this room that's, that's been in a very similar situation. And I don't blame anybody that feels like they have to get out of a relationship when it is in the engagement stage. I don't, I don't, I'm not upset about Ari breaking up with Becca. And we're going to talk to Becca's friends here in a second and see if they disagree. I think the only thing is that Ari did it on TV. That is questionable. And then the other questionable part is should he even propose to Becca in the first place?

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It's going to make it only $39.99.99. It's Fabfitfund.com, almost famous. And, you know, Ben, he does love it, but I love it way more because, you know, it's pretty much for girls. I might not know to say these products, but I believe in these products, like as she said, but she loves them a lot more. We've been asking for your emails. Amy, producer Amy, hook us up with one. This is from another Minnesota. Why oh why did the show have to tape that private moment for viewers? Sean Lowe's tweet about it. I don't like this one bit. Shouldn't have been filmed. I thought it was distasteful to blindside her like that. I'm irked

at the franchise for putting her through it for the sake of TV. So my question is, Ben's going to introduce everybody and we've got ladies from Ari Season, why don't you all talk about that right or wrong that we're watching this? I mean, I like watching it. I'm not going to lie. So I'd love for you guys to discuss that. The franchise had to know that they were going to get flack for this, but it's the only way that they could have made back at The Bachelorette. Sometimes flack isn't bad. So you get people talking. My argument in support of showing the breakup, and then we'll ask the beautiful women that just walked into the studio here, my support of this is I, would have been confused at Becca becoming potentially the Bachelorette

unless I saw this breakup. So by seeing the breakup, I am 100% in support behind Becca becoming the Bachelorette. I'm rooting for it. I hope it happens. If I didn't see the breakup, I wouldn't have followed this story more closely. Now, again, I'm on the side of they just shouldn't show it at all.

But I would say that's the one reason why maybe the show, or shoot, maybe even Ari thought, Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe we need to close us up with that. So we're going to start, as we said, we have four of Ari's top women in studio right now. We're going to start with Tia and Caroline. I was at the bottom, but that's okay.

No, you're at the top. You're a prominent, prominent character. Thanks, guys. Caroline, you said, I know what you did during Women's Tell All Weeks ago. That means to me that you're pretty close to Becca and you may have known exactly what she was going through in January.

She might have been at my house. of this happened. Whoa, tell us everything. This is a safe zone. Nobody's listening. No one's listening. This is, okay, gal pals behind those doors, right, Ben? Yeah, I am the only guy in the room. My galapal over here.

But yeah, so it was it was hard because obviously I fell in love with all these women. You spend so much time with them when you're in the house and through this whole experience. And then, you know, obviously I became very close with Becca. And she, her and Tia had come to

my house in Fort Lauderdale for kind of like a girl powwow. That's where this took place, this breakup? No, no, no. But I'm just saying prior to the women tell all, I had just seen the raw like emotion on her face and, you know, for anyone who's ever had a girlfriend crying

and, you know, upset and just kind of humiliated and hurt, I think anyone can relate to that and I think we've all had that like, you know why moment and, you know, you kind of want to junk punch them a little of it. It was like, I wasn't able to junk punch him, so I tried to do it with my word. It was so Charlotte in the Sex and the City movie. That's how I was like, I felt so

Charlotte in Sex and the City. And there were so many good gifts that everyone was sending to me. I was like, this is my spirit animal right now. This is so, I just could relate to that a lot. And it's actually funny because when I was looking to tweet one out, it was like, Charlotte was like, I was rooting for you the whole time. And the thing is, everyone kept telling me how bitter I was that I didn't pick me and I'm like no bitch you missed exactly what I was talking about I was like that's not what happened here it was um it was easy for me to leave when I left because I knew it was going to be Becca the whole time we were in the mansion still and I was like you know you're going to be the last one standing and I said that to her she was no you are

you're really sweet like thanks but I was like I'll put up a good fight I was like I want to get to know him but I was like I'd be shocked if you're not his wife at the end of all this Pia, do you feel the same way? Was it very obvious? Yeah, honestly. And we talked about it while we were in the mansion. And then after, too, like, I don't know if we got vibes from Becca, but there was just something there.

And we kind of knew that that's howling. They had this, like, undeniable connection. Yeah, I didn't stop me from falling for him, too. But, I mean, did you see the same thing with Lauren? No, not at all with Lauren. But the thing is, like, we weren't as close with Lauren, so I'm sure, you know, Kendall, you were closer with her, so I'm sure that you saw that connection developing.

You know, we were... I got close with Lauren at the end, and she was still, like a still trap about everything. Yeah, she had her walls up there. She has something to say. She's reaching for a mic. She looks good over there. She does. We had a crush on seeing the whole season.

My mom just went off for, like, a rant about her. So I actually noticed their connection, like, in Fort Lauderdale, and I could see that he really... Who? Becca or Lauren? No, Lauren. I told Lauren in Paris that she was going to be in the top two. And I think you guys can all see the way that you look at Lauren. So, I mean, I think there was a period of time where his connection with Becca kind of, it wasn't really there. It kind of had a little. Yeah. After you left, it wasn't really there. They kind of. And her confidence completely dropped. It's funny because, you know, you watch it back. And, you know, I love Becca. And, you know,

I was able to see that kind of firsthand. But then you go back and you watch it. And he was very, much in love with Lauren the whole time and I I'm not mad that he you know had to make decision it's like hey buddy follow your heart like I'm not here to tell you how to love like that's sometimes loves messy like that is what it is I just think like you've handled it like such a douchebag like towards the end is that what you mean towards the end like I mean the thing is he was conflicted very much so as we all saw and like that's fine you have two amazing women in front of you like that's hard but don't propose to somebody and take something that to me is so special and kind of just make a mockery of it and he only showed compassion for Lauren

like yeah it was love both of them he wasn't there when he broke up with Becca he could give her anything yeah no emotion yeah it was all about Lauren I I want to ask uh and we have Kendall Cien T and Caroline in studio whoever um feel most comfortable or confident answering this question we we spoke many times in the podcast we didn't get to see a lot of Lauren we understand he liked her until the very we understand there's a connection there but if one of you could explain exactly where that can where that connection was coming from what about Lauren really inspired or created that chemistry between Ari if you can explain it in words she is smiling like she's like still kind of unsure I feel like it's a

this may be an assumption for me to say but I feel like he had to work harder For her, and it was like a thrill of the chase. Yeah, the chase person. Is that a thing? I don't know. I don't know. It's how one has always dates. Kendall, what do you think?

I don't think it's a chase. I mean, I think Lauren is an amazing person. She's someone that reserves herself for people that she really cares about. You mean a lot to her. I don't think she was trying to play hard to get it all. I think she was just afraid to open up. And once she did it, it was that much more special. She wasn't playing hard to get, but he had to, he had to try a little bit harder for her.

And so I think that that's kind of what. makes him more invested yeah I think I think he appreciated that she wasn't just throwing herself out of I think that he liked that she wanted to make sure before I don't I wouldn't least see it as a chase I'd more so see it not on purpose it's not like it's not like it's a game to her but yeah it might well yes I mean love is always somewhat of a challenge right for challenging ourselves in so many different ways but I don't think the reason why he likes her more chose her at the end is because it was a challenge well no not that but that's like I feel like that was the initial to be kind of who knows what that guy is

thinking so Kendall we one person that we have not heard from during this whole kind of fiasco at the end is you and you uh you know you were you've only been let go for a week now you had true feelings for Ari um how are you dealing with everything uh after watching this back and also knowing that you did have feelings for this man and that you are friends with the woman that he ultimately he chooses. How are you doing? I feel, I don't know, I think watching it gave me a lot of closure. In the beginning, it was really difficult to watch the episodes and to see him have strong relationships with other people because when you're in it, you feel like you're the most special person to him. I mean, how can you not? Because there's so many other people, you just

don't see his connection with everyone else. But after watching it, I especially felt a lot of closure when I saw his date with Lauren in Paris. It just made so much. sense. And I think after that moment I kind of stushed back and I was like, okay, this makes sense. This makes sense to me. And I feel like I just kind of, I don't know, I just feel like I healed

so much watching him fall in a weird way. That's deep. Nice. It is. I mean. That's why you're such a good person. Guys, Becca M. said this week she's pretty outspoken. She was like, yeah, he's not going to end up with her Twitter right now.

Oh, no. She is. Oh, she's on, fire. Yeah, so she said that she doesn't expect him to stay with Lauren either. What do you guys think about that? What is the charity that we are, that Jeff Holm has running here? Who are we donating money to? Harrison's choice, though I don't think we know yet. What? Of Chris Harrison's choice. At the beginning of the season, Jeff made a joke on Twitter that if Ari's a joke about donating to charity, buddy, put your money where your mouth is. Yeah, what is the $10,000? I think it's five.

Oh, five, five to if Ari spent over a year with his winner, he will donate $5,000 to Chris Harrison's charity of choice. I think Ari should have to donate now. I agree. Well, anyway, you guys, I want to know what you have to think. Like, if you chose another girl before you ended up choosing the girl you apparently now want to spend the rest of your life with, do you think that there's any chance for them? Yeah.

I mean, look at that other guy. Yeah, Jason Mezzanick. I mean, what a success story. They've got a kid. That's not a fake kid. That's a real kid. Yeah, two kids, eight years of marriage. The thing is, is, honestly, I want them both to be happy.

Like, at the end of the day, like, I don't want to be, yeah, like, I hope your marriage burns. Like, I don't want that for anybody. Like, I want them to be happy. Well, honestly, too, after seeing that, that's the most, like, thoughts and emotions and feelings that he had about anyone this whole time, I mean, about Lauren. So, I think she really does mean something to him. I just, I'm kind of just mad that he put Lauren. through that as well and he like let her walk through okay that was a long walk down to that little proposal site not easy in heels on the grass rude you would never do that if

you really love somebody okay yeah i personally think that are you would have changed his mind if he chose Lauren first he would have gone to Becca i don't think he would have stayed Oh, let's time out here for a second. Hey, hold up. Let's sit on this. Anybody listening, if you agree with seeing right now, please write in to Ben and Ashley at iHeartMedia.com. If Ari was to choose Lauren initially, would he have switched to Becca?

Do you agree or disagree and why? Ari, don't be ashamed to write in either. Sorry, Ari, but that's what I feel. Who I never even considered that. So throughout the season, we were talking earlier in the podcast, he did seem to like foreshadow all of this. He was like, I'm just so afraid of making the wrong decision. But I've never heard a bachelor say stuff like that, like that before.

I think he just says what he thinks he's supposed to say. Oh. Well, after the way that he handled it with Becca, he wanted to get tears from her. And I think that that shows that he would have done the same thing. Well, I mean, you saw how his dad was and he was like, oh, this, maybe that. I don't know. This maybe that. I don't know.

What are we going to do today? I don't know. Now, don't go in on Ari's dad now. I'm not going in on him. I'm just saying the apple doesn't fall far. It's hard to make decisions in that family. Clearly, he couldn't. Ultimately, I don't think we're upset at the fact that he is with Lauren.

Yeah, no, not at all. I'm not mad that he opened his part up to that. I think we're mad of how he handled Becca. And I don't really want to stray from, I don't want to put down his and Lauren's relationship. That's not what it's about. It's about saying he should have handled himself better. Agree.

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Okay, so enough analysis of the actual show. I need to know what you guys know that everybody doesn't know, like the timeline. I need to know when. Yeah, so when was that breakup scene taped? Early January? mid-January that's so recently it's mind-boggling and confirm or deny this had Ari slid into Lauren's DMs before that breakup occurred no he slid into her DMs in a phone call that's a yes no he slid into her DM first and he liked a photo which we were like he liked multiple photos got in trouble like right after the proposal like within November December when Becca and him were still good he had liked a photo and she was like oh that just feels kind of weird but she was very weird he was he was

following her no which is the weird part so he was searching for her and like seeking it out ooh oh oh kendall totally has dirt but she's going to be a good friend right now she's such kendall's like i'm a better person when kendall's around because she is such a good person she's like the female uncle gary for me oh oh uncle gary so cute capital penny betty I'm also so bad It's like oh you want to talk about secrets Okay, I'll tell you guys I'm just so happy

It's all out and finally talk Okay yeah so tell me more about the timeline So then like when did Becca reveal to you guys That he had broken up with her? Well I had revealed to Becca before Becca knew We were We were asking Becca how she was doing

What was going on You were with Lauren Yeah When Ari called her on New Year's That's right. I heard about a New Year's phone call. So he couldn't stop thinking about Lauren. We had to call her on New Year's to see how she was.

Apparently. Yeah, like, night of the premiere, New Year's Eve. Night of the Premier. Like, New Year's Eve, Night of the Premier. We were in Dallas. Lauren and I were together, like, she was the first person I saw after filming. So we knew we were going to get to hang out and then watch the premiere together at Adams in Dallas with Raven and Adam and he reached out and on social media and he just kind of said hey like I still got some stuff going on like I can't shake this I can't shake you like I want us to talk and he he told Lauren that Becca knew about this oh but did she Caroline she so um

One of my good girlfriends, Audra, is dating Brad Smith, who was the original Bachelor in Canada. And so it's a weird little Bachelor World connection. And so I was staying at her house and she was like, oh my gosh, I was back to doing. And I was like, she's great. Like life's good, whatever, you know, thinking like all is well in their little world. And she was like, oh, Brad said that they broke up. And I was like, no, like she would have told me that. Like we're close.

She would have told me. So I like FaceTime her. she doesn't answer and so I'm like hey like are you okay just like just like just call me whenever you can so she faced and she's like why what's going on like what did you hear like and I was like are you guys still together and she was like yeah and then she like kind of got like a little teary and she's like what are you talking about and I was like oh I just like I had heard something and I didn't tell her like where I had heard it from was just like oh it's probably just like stupid so or he had talked to this Brad Smith guy I don't know who he talked that

I don't talk to too many people. He talked to too many people. He didn't talk to Brad before it heard through the grapevine is the worst thing. So all these other people knew. And then so I'm like, and she's like, no, and everything was fine. He didn't dump her what we watched tonight happened days later. So it's like you, everybody knew before her, like myself included. Like, how did I hear about that before she did?

Like, that's just wrong. I know. Just watching her, him talk to the camera in that interview, like, okay. this is what I'm going to go do now. I was like, you called the cameras and said, let's go do this. Also, I wonder if he would have made the same decision if Lauren didn't agree to take him back. Okay, so that was my next question with Tia.

How'd that conversation go? And did she affirm that she... I didn't listen. Okay, so she must have affirmed that she would get back together with him. I don't know if it was then, but obviously they continued to talk after that point. Right. And then mid-January. I don't think...

I would have ended things with Becca had Lauren not agreed to be in a relationship with him. I hope she at least put up a fight, Dan. I hope so. I mean, if, I mean, I hope at some point he would have ended things with Becca. I mean, did you see this coming?

Any of you, take Lauren out of the picture for a second. Would this have happened either way? Like, would the breakup of still existed? Or do you feel like he would have the only reason that this happened? Lauren is the reason that it happened. I feel like.

I don't know what that guy is got going on upstairs. I think it's because he had Lauren in his mind and he felt like maybe Lauren was his true love and he had missed that opportunity. That's probably the reason why they had broken things off. He broke things off with Becca. I hate to always

go back to Grey's Anatomy, but I am a big man. Oh no, go back to Grace. So there's this one episode where Lexi is helping some lady write her book and she is like dating Jackson and Jackson on paper is like the good guy and he's like logically it's like oh like that's the guy and the lady's like no she's supposed to end up with like this like panhandler

or something stupid like that and she's like no but that's the in the story i don't know watch the episode i'll find it but she in that moment realizes like mark sloan is the guy who she's supposed to be with it doesn't make any sense but like that connection is there and tonight when i was watching the episode i was like that's what happened with lauren um i think like loren you know maybe didn't make sense and his family saying oh beck is good for you and she's right for you in so many ways, but he was very clearly in love with Lauren, but it's just like what, just, I mean,

just don't do that to my friend. Like, I don't know. Did that Grace say make any sense? I'm sorry. Well, we talk about Grace all the time on this podcast. I've never seen an episode. And Ashley either goes back to Grey's Anatomy, sex in the city, or the Jonas brothers. Well, Lexi and Mark were meant to be.

Holy Trinity. Yeah, I know, right? Okay, so let's go. So then Lauren was on board, getting back together with Ari. Now let's fast forward to how they're doing now. How is Becca doing now? Do you think presumably her being the Bachelorette will take pain away from the situation? I'm going to make the announcement now and say that Becca has to be the Bachelorette.

There is no question. This is the Ben Higgins. Yeah, let's assume that if Becca isn't the Bachelorette tomorrow night, it will be the biggest letdown. Let's talk about two emotional nights. I'm emotionally spent. Yeah. No offense to any of you. But after seeing Becca come through a, we just said it earlier, that this season had, I think, 10 women who could easily be the bachelor.

I went home week four, so I don't know what you're talking about. I was never in the top 10. I'm not saying the top 10. I'm just saying I was never in the running for that one. But I think after watching the breakup, after watching Becca put her heart out there, think we all can agree that she's probably going to be the bachelor's right she is one of the best people she's quirky she's funny she's like so open to be like I'm a nerd like and but she she loves hard and she really puts her heart out there and um also the way that she handled

herself tonight with him like she obviously at some point she ended up crying but she didn't cry at first she was pretty matter of fact about interesting and she kind of handled him the way that she handled Ross when Ross showed up kind of like I'm not interested like Ross is a douchea. Yeah and a cheater. Tell us more Tia tell us more. People are like oh put Ross on paradise

Ross seems slimy. He's a cheater cheater, cheater, pumpkin eater. So that let's ask Cian and Kendall do you think, because I know Tia and Caroline probably have their feelings here, do you think Becca is emotionally

ready to be the Bachelorette? Because I mean, we start that starts filming next week so do you think she's ready to be the bachelorette and why to both of you um after watching it tonight i think that she is um and speaking to her and i've spoken to her and texted with her i think that she is i think that when someone does something that extreme i'm sure there were a lot of tears but i feel like she was able to kind of close the book on that and luckily their relationship wasn't that long it was three months total yeah plus they're not it's not like seeing each other every day every other weekend

because they get to have their happy couple weekend happy happy right she's ready I think so I think when I spoke with Becca last she what she had to say about Lauren and Ari was that she wishes them the best and that she wants them to be ultimately happy to find happiness with each other so she doesn't have any

hard feelings about it I know it was hard for her but she still wants them to be happy and I feel like her happiness just makes no sense she'll have 30 rebounds oh that's okay no one agree with me that When you say I wish you the best, you're really saying, please go F yourself. Yeah, anytime I've ever said anything to somebody like, I wish you the best, it means I'm going to punch you in the face.

I hate you. I could see that as the subtext a little. You got out. How is Becca feeling about being broken up in the happy couple suite like she was? That was. Tia has an answer. Come on now. I mean, she told us she was completely blindsided.

Like he showed up with no luggage and she knew something was. up how exploited did she feel um i mean i don't i don't think she was mad at like the show i know everyone's like oh you know the show shouldn't have done that um i mean i think we all kind of sign up for this very public that's true thing here you know what i mean is like we kind of and i think you know there would have been all these questions that you know everyone would want to know and all these things unanswered and people keep asking me like what did i already do i kind of needed this so people can get off my back no yeah my dms yeah um yeah um um um um um um um Did you all notice that she slips the ring off halfway through the breakup?

Oh, I wanted to throw it at him. Because the ring is like so gigantic in our face. And then she realizes it and she like slips it off like and she said, I'm so embarrassed. I was like, oh. But can we talk about how terribly Ari handled that? Like that was. Emotionless. Betta and I already did talk about this.

But his lack of empathy in that moment was alarming. For someone he loves. Like, I know. And where did that go? That it had been two months. You guys, he had never cried. He didn't shed a tear. He did not shut a barrier.

And he didn't say anything. No, no, he cried when Becca and went home. Becca M went home. Becca M. Other Becca and she went, he cried. Like a single tear. But then he dumps his fiance. And nothing.

Nothing. And Stone Cold Steve Austin, man. Okay, let's start with seeing, and we're going to go around the room in counterclockwise order. We're going to go seeing Caroline Tia Kendall. Oh. Like, how did, seeing, how poorly did Ari handle the breakup with Becca? And so what we talked about a little bit ago in the podcast, and for anybody listening, we'll catch up as well.

You know, we aren't that upset with Ari for figuring out that, hey, he loves somebody else. We get that that happens. As humans, we're allowed to make mistakes. What we think the biggest problem with this so far, and what really America is in an uproar about on Twitter, I mean, it's still trending at number one right now and we're a few hours after the finale aired is why did he do it on TV? How poorly did he handle this?

And why did he propose to somebody when his heart was torn for somebody else? So let's start with seeing in the final scene that we saw in tonight's episode. How poorly did our handle it? Or maybe feel free to say how amazing he handled the situation. I mean, I don't think he could have handled this any worse.

Like, that was one of the most painful. things I've ever watched. He didn't have any words. He should have left. He wanted to get tears from her. He wanted to get her to say that she loved him. It was really disgusting in my opinion. I'm glad he did on TV because I think it shows kind of a little, yeah, a little bit of who he is. And it's sad and it's sad for Becca, but also, you know, she handled herself really well. So I think it did her some favors. And now, I mean, he kind of showed. his ass. Sorry, Ari, but you did. And it's funny

that he was like, hey, like, can I stay and talk? And then the son of a bitch doesn't say a word and just stares at her while she cries. Like, he just wanted to... Is that common? Real quick. I want to Caroline, I want to interrupt you. I found that so weird is the lingering part. Like,

is that a common thing in breakups? I don't know if... Well, my ex and I lived together for two weeks after we broke up and we broke up on Valentine's Day and then still had Valentine's Day dinner and he bought me flower. and we slow danced in the kitchen. It was weird. Yeah.

So no wonder why this all seems so normal to me. And we'll call you next week for the next podcast. We'll a lot to break them talking about. Relationship questions. No, the thing was, it was a, you know, we knew it was over and we respected the relationship for what it was. And, you know, we had our closure. And I think that that was what, it was definitely complicated.

But there wasn't any, like, let me throw things at your head. It was like, hey, like, this is over. I was definitely heartbroken and we cried together and we talked about things and so watching granted we were together for two years and that's not how long this was but at the end of the day it's like you were engaged to this person so for me to watch him sit there and say hey like let's talk and he just literally wants to sit there and watch her suffer yeah it's like a kid on an ant hill with a magnifying glass it's like you didn't say anything you didn't give her any closure she said I loved you like you know I really loved you and he could have said I loved you too like

you know what I mean he didn't give her anything to kind of um I don't know I just feel like he was it felt very loveless it felt very cold and he's just an ass hat that's no other way to put it really what do you what do you think about are are the ass hat I love alliteration let's talk about it honestly i'm glad that becca kind of called him out a little bit and was like hey if you're having such a hard time with this the morning of why would you even propose at all um he i mean he deserved to be called out like that and i don't know i left this show um i mean obviously very emotional and i even got home and was like man he was such a great kind genuine person and didn't have a negative thing to say about him and after all of this it just made me kind of question who he really is we

were all fooled for a little bit yeah and like yeah understand it's hard to get to the end of this thing and have two people that you're in love with but he could have handled himself so much better so i want to ask you guys what we were talking about the top of the show do you think that we i know i'm gonna get to i'm not going to get to kendall but i think i want to like move this into kendall and get your feedback from this too do you think that he just should not have proposed in the end and said, hey, I want to date both of you for a little bit longer? You can date me? No, no, no.

I will say that... Time's up. Kendall? Going into this whole thing, he didn't really have Bachelor Nation on his side. I think that he was really pressured to have that happy ending that everyone really expects the Bachelor to have. I mean, if you don't get proposed or you don't propose from at the end of this, people kind of hate you.

And I don't think that's his fault. I think he felt like he had to try to win over some of Bachelor Nation because they wanted to have that fairy tale happy ending because he was not here and that's kind of what it was though it was i mean it's heartbreaking to know that he felt so insecure going into that um and i feel like he so badly wanted to please everybody that maybe he didn't think about anyone other people's feelings he wanted to do this um a choice that made the most sense at the time he's like well even though he didn't know if he should have proposed or not he felt like he had to have that happy ending to appease everyone that makes sense i think that's one of the things that i want to get away from in the bachelor and bachelor

app is I know how real and authentic this show can be and we talked about a little bit ago and my advice to any future bachelorette or bachelor and who knows some people in this room you still have a chance if it's not this year it could be next year if it is it could be tomorrow i don't know um i think we're all just like expecting it to be like a sean low you know what i mean yeah just like they were friends what happened with that um but i'd like to get away from the forced proposal because i want to see authentic love You know, one thing I noticed with Ari this season is he wore a lot of blue. I don't know if anybody else saw that.

Can we all agree we're a lot of blue? I didn't recognize him tonight when he came out in gray. I was like, who's this guy? He looks good in gray. He looks good in color. I think Ari needs to go shopping and I have some advice for him. How about Latotot is great value and is really easy to use? Okay, so I went to the mall and didn't find anything last week.

I went shopping. I never go shopping. I was looking for some clothes for tonight. I wasted two hours of my day and couldn't even find what I was looking for. Frustrating, we call that. So frustrating. I was just looking for my basic suit, a little light blue, nothing more. Does that even exist anymore?

My only options were a super dark gray suit or a black tuxedo. That's absolutely ridiculous. I need to find a suit. If only, I had letot. Yeah, Ben. because if you did, if there was a Latote for men and us girls were really lucky because we have Latot, you can rent up to $300 worth of clothing from designer brands like BCBG, Nike, Rebecca Minkoff for as low as $59 a month. You can get a box of fashion delivered right to your door and always have something new to wear.

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Ashley, how much fun. Yeah, oh, gosh, dang it that was. I love that. It's the theme of the night. It's okay. I like that. Ashley, how much fun has it been having these four women in studio? with us. I mean, I can see the glow on your face. You absolutely love talking about this.

I love talking about it. I love talking about with people that have been there. Are any of you not happy that you did The Bachelor? I wouldn't undo it for anything. Why? I mean, look around. Like, I have all these amazing friends here. And yeah, it's messy and it's weird. And we all chose to do this crazy little Bachelor world. And a lot of people don't get it. And they think it's like so anti-feminist. But these women are also. incredible and I'm so inspired by them daily and like you know what I mean just being around all of these women like I I'm a better person for it and I left with some bridesmaids so I have some lifelong friends here and you know what are you engaged are you getting married to who

you said you have bridesmaid my hypothetical wedding duh like you don't have a like you don't have a Pinterest board I was going to say it seems like paradise um yeah Caroline's gonna go for Caroline, if, I mean, I want to start. Actually, let's start back. I like this order. Cian, we're going to start with you counterclockwise. Who would have been, was Ari your ideal bachelor? Were you hoping for him?

And if not him, then who would you have rather had? Well, I did not know who Ari Lion-Dak Jr. was when they announced him. Same. So there was no way he was my ideal bachelor. I thought it was going to be Peter. So, you know, I was excited about that. But, you know, I still agreed to do it. I wouldn't have been excited if it was you as well.

Oh my God, here we go. Here it is. Everybody got angry at me for not talking about it last week. He told me today that he was like in the running and then I was like, damn it all, what would you do? You screwed us all over, Ben. Well, I had a podcast to do. We actually have a couple emails here that I wanted to read and seeing kind of led

into it well and then we're continuing with the Caroline situation. I don't think we just liked each other as much if we actually had like a good guy to fight over because we would have been like, No, it's true, yeah. Really? I don't know if the girl power would have been as strong. I want to ask, do you think because you didn't have the connection with Ari? I mean, Tia, you did have a good connection with Ari.

Kindle, you did as well. But would the two of you say if maybe you had a guy that you fell a little stronger for, you wouldn't have built the friendships you had? No, I would say to the reason why I liked Ari so much is because he was someone that I wouldn't have dated before. I mean, he was very, he was just, he was like a unique. relationship that I had an experience. And I think I found out so much more about love and more about myself and what I wanted in a man because of him. Yeah. I don't know if it's like a normal thing

for us to have a complete disconnect from our, from our relationship with Ari and our friendships. I don't know. I feel like we just all kind of clicked from the beginning and like supported each other somehow and built each other up. And I don't know if it would have changed if it would I think it would have been a lot more competitive had it been. You're right. Had it been Ben Higgins? Yeah, I agree. You guys, everybody in this room is hitting on Ben and I don't know whether to keep it going.

Do we have any roses or? No more competing with you. It's just. You know, I've wondered even after tonight because I do know Peter and I like Peter. I mean, Ashley and I've spent a lot of time with Peter. I know he's gotten some flack here over even this season. for some of the stuff that happened with his ex-girlfriend, do you all still feel like Peter would have been a better choice?

Yes. If he wasn't ready, though. I don't know what happened. Ari wasn't ready. Good point. Good point. You guys, you would have gotten crazy over Peter. I would have, I don't know.

I would have been intimidated, I think. I think so, too. I feel like Ari was just enough nerdy to make me feel comfortable stepping out of my comfort zone. I think I just always kind of get friend zone because I'm like, oh, I'm awkward about. Yeah, you are. not anymore

Ashley actually gets so nervous around Peter it's absolutely no I don't I didn't know I was cool around him he said he would date me remember Ashley I remember I wanted to make fun of her

but I'm going to defend her because she's my girl and that is true that is true thanks Kendall would you have preferred it to be Peter come on beyond his She's so nice. She can't do it. No, I think there's something that I liked about going into an experience where I didn't know who the guy was.

And I think everyone has all these expectations of who Peter is and he's this guy that everyone fell in love with. But I liked going into it without knowing who Ari was. And I hadn't seen his season. So I think in that way, I didn't have any expectations. and I was allowed to just love how I normally love as opposed to make up a whole love story in my mind before I actually met a guy. I didn't watch that season though

because they'd already called me and been like hey like you're kind of in the work for this so I wanted to be I wanted to go into it like without any expectations I didn't want to be like hey do you have any siblings and then I'm like I watch your hometown I know everything about you like you know what I mean I wanted to have them

my questions come from a genuine place and try and treat this crazy little process as natural as possible as one convulsed. I was definitely real. It was so weird. Going into it, I didn't expect to have any real feelings. And I feel like I was pleasantly surprised

with how much I was able to open up. That's what I answered. To anybody who asks, is The Bachelor real? I go, well, all the feelings are genuinely real. I want to end this podcast with a bang. So we're going to do one. Let's clarify, Ashley. There's a lot of people in the room.

Okay, I want to end it on a very juicy note. So I'm going to read this email from Allie. Hey, Ashley, I am so disappointed. Cien came on and you didn't even mention that Ben said he could sit her going on the Bachelorette if she was Cian. I need to know, we all need to know, would Ben do that or would they go on a date in real life? Well, I'm sorry, guys. The only reason I didn't address this on the podcast last week is because when I was doing women to all interviews for access, I asked the end, and I got the answer. And she said that she would go on a date with Ben in real life off camera.

So now we have both of them on the mic and I'm just going to let them hash it out from here. So you guys knew I'm going to grab a drink. This is kind of how I'm sure you guys feel kind of similar to how I felt watching the breakup tonight is like you don't belong in this conversation. but yet for some reason you're sitting here in this room um what a great great question i'm blushing here i'm pushing everybody feels awkward except for me um so what a great question one is actually i was a little frustrated that you didn't bring this up last week also yeah i was like you know what we've talked about it all season we've had crushes on this podcast with multiple people from from this season we think this season was full of amazing women i think so many girl crushes on you guys so

many girl crushes. But Cien stood out because I think the class and the intelligence and the beauty, especially throughout the whole season, was really like, this is something special. You know, this is somebody that could definitely lead this franchise and also some of that any guy would be lucky to be with. So we said it, I think, a few weeks ago, that if Cien at the time, we really thought this was going to happen. It's really making this expensive.

Ashley's so excited. We said a few weeks ago, if Cian was announced as the Bachelorette, would I go on the season? There would not be many people that I would go on to the Bachelorette before again. Actually, it would be really hard for me. But hypothetically, of course, I think, of course I would go on the Bachelorette. I think a lot of guys, from what I understand, from this franchise, would go on the Bachelorette. But you don't have to go on the Bachelorette. No, no, but that was the question.

um if she happened to be tied up he would fight for her yeah on the bachelorette we would fight for it i'm like i don't even know what to say thanks well no but you know and that goes to to everybody in this room we've yeah are you just saying this because you know she's not the bachelorette now this is an easy way out of it ben well there's no easy way out i i met every word i said i said that weeks ago before we knew that um and we still don't know that she could be thrown us for a loop here um you know for all that was said about Ari and all that we might feel a little disappointed in, I think. This season felt disconnected at times and it was nothing to do with anybody in this room. I don't even know if it was to do with Ari. I just think that this season of The Bachelor had a different element

to it, one that maybe nobody can understand completely. But all we can really hope for from this point forward is that whoever Ari ends up with that it is real and that it is true and that whoever the Bachelorette is steps into next week's start and find somebody that now can fulfill hopefully this void that she has now suffered. My assumption is suffered because of Ari. I guess either way, it's probably going to be because of Ari. But with that said, this season had some of the best women that we've ever seen in this franchise. So kudos to all of you. We get while you're friends and thank you for making this podcast

a little easier each week because of the way you handled yourselves. Thank you for carrying the show for us guys. It was very entertaining and you guys, I want to say that we will be back on Wednesday. Ben makes it seem like this is the last time we're going to be talking about you guys

but that's not the case. We will be back on Wednesday talking about after the final rose. So thank you to all our sponsors, Latope, BioClarity, bowling branch and fab fit fun we love you all and we love all the ladies in this room it has been so nice to be back in studio it's late at night it's 10 o'clock in los angeles it's been a big day um but we could not be happy to be at our i heart studios uh doing this podcast with that it's good to be back i've been ben i've been ashley i've been cn i've been caroline i've been tia and i've been kendall we'll talk to you soon

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