The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - S4 #5 Heroes & Villains

Episode Date: January 30, 2018

Ben is a little under the weather this week, but it doesn’t stop him from breaking down this week’s episode of The Bachelor with Ashley I! First, they discuss a CRAZY theory about what could happen later this season. Then, “No Chill” Bibiana calls in to dish on Krystal, and her experience on Winter Games. And they’re joined in-studio by Chad Johnson, a certified villain, for his analysis on this season of The Bachelor, and a round of rapid fire questions, where we find out which girl could convince Ben to go back on the show! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast with IHart Radio. Hey, everybody. This is the Ben and Ashley I almost there's podcast. But you've got half of me today. I am so sick. I've got the flu. So if I sound stuffy, if I'm coughing over the mic, forgive me. But we, you know, Ari doesn't stop dating. So we're not going to keep stop talking. Aw. This is so sad. Like there's like a flu epidemic. It's actually insane. I don't want it. I got a shot and you didn't get a shot and I want to know why so many people out there don't get shots. I mean, I know it doesn't fully prevent it, but it means it increases your odds of being safe, right? Do you have any side effects?

Do you really want to know? Yeah. So I am not a conspiracy theorist at all. I really am not. I have one theory that I have always had since I was a little kid. I mean, since I was in elementary school. I fought this. I believe that if there's going to be a mass sickness spread across the world, it's going

to be through the flu shot. And I would rather build up my immune system by not getting the flu shot than getting it. So I'll take getting sick every year for four or five days as long as internally I am as healthy as I can be. So it's like zombie apocalypse. Like you think the walking dead is going to happen from flu shots. Yeah. And just wait until that happens.

And I'm laughing at everybody because I've never gotten a flu shot. But hey, Ben, what about, like, other vaccines? Are you very, like, Jenny McCarthy about it? Are you just not down with vaccines? Not really. I mean, I go to Central America all the time, and I'd never take any of the, like, malaria medication. I never, I don't take a lot of medication.

That's probably your responsible of me, and I really don't know why I don't. I just feel like if something's going to happen, it's going to happen. Interesting. Anyway, okay. Is that cool? Yeah, I think that's totally well. Anyway, moving on. So what did you think about, yeah, go ahead.

I got to tell everybody about what's going on. So Ashley is so nervous about this. And I want to tell you that it's really endearing because my co-host cares so much about everybody listens to this show that we have a really big segment that we're going to talk about. And the only thing she's worried about through text, emails, and also we're prepared for this podcast was, hey, we got to warn everybody that we're going to be slightly spoiling the ending of this year's Batchel. Not fully spoiling it, but we're going to talk about what happens because this became public. And so now, because of Ashley, I want to warn everybody for the next five minutes, we're going to be slightly spoiling the ending. So if you don't want to listen, pause it and

tune back in after this small segment. But it's not really a spoiler. It's not really a spoiler. Now, hold on. I think it's a spoiler because a lot of fans were tweeting, tweeting, yeah, tweeting, this theory towards me this spoiler, whatever you want to call it and I even got annoyed I was like you guys I'm trying to keep this season's secret because I don't know Ari whatsoever and I don't even know well other than Bibby

and Lauren G didn't know anyone on his season so I was like this is going to be the perfect season for me to not have to know what goes down the last episode but here's the theory guys so here's the spoiler okay ready you have five seconds one We're not going to name names.

Make it clear. We're not naming names. I still don't know names. This is how I'm going to keep this secret to myself. Or this is, it's not going to be spoiled because I am not going to know these two girls' names. Apparently, and I don't know our source on this. Who's our source on this, Amy? Well, you don't reveal your source.

That's the whole point of having a source. Okay. Well, not always. So our secret source is revealing that... Ari pulls a Jason Meznik and he picks one girl in the finale and now is currently with another girl. Ben, what do you think about this? I mean, I heard he pulled a Jason Mesnick and I also heard he pulled a jerk move like that Ben Higgins fella. Oh, so he said, I love you to two people.

We know that that is a fact. Ari has admitted he says I love you to two people or he fell in love with two people. Okay, so this is very confusing. having seen the flack that you got for that, it's shocking that he did it. Yeah, I'm pretty shocked, too. Poor guy. So here's what happens.

Let me run everybody through this. During the season, it was revealed early on. Ari actually revealed it himself that he fell in love with more than one woman. I'm going to speak on that for a second. I get it. I obviously did the same thing. I would say that it wasn't something that I I felt was beneficial long term to my relationship.

I actually kind of wish that I would have just communicated those feelings a little differently. I wouldn't have told both women, even though I was feeling a certain way towards both women. But let's focus on Ari, because the last thing I want to do is focus on myself. So Ari falls in love with more than one woman. He tells both women, yes, he's going to get slack for it. I am surprised that that came out because you would think he would learn from his mistakes. But from what I hear, Ari didn't really watch my season, so I don't even know

if he knew the repercussions of what could happen. I get the honesty that he was trying to communicate. And there's one thing, Ashley, that you and I have always said about Ari since the beginning of the season, is he's been very authentic and genuine, even for his fault on maybe not being as charismatic as he like or as funny or as engaging. He's always been authentic and genuine. And I think that's what he was doing in communicating his love. Yeah. I actually don't see a problem with telling two people you love them. It seems almost logical with the way this show goes.

The problem with it is, and Ben, you can maybe attest to this, is the girl is like forever more upset about it. Right. I think that it's totally normal to fall in love with two people. I think it's the saying it out loud that they get in trouble for.

Like, why did you have to say it out loud? You know, just feel it and feel it and eventually you'll be able to let it go. Jojo's not upset. You told her you love. loved her. It was only the other girl. I think she probably was. What do you think? I don't think Jojo cares very much at all. Not anymore. Not anymore. I think she's pretty happy. But, yeah, I think saying it out loud is rough. But here's the situation. And I explained it a couple of times, and I don't know if I've ever been able to explain it well, is you've gone through this whole

experience. You've fought off feelings. You've developed feelings. You've fought off emotions the whole time. And at the end of it, you see the light at the end of the tunnel and the light looks good. The light looks exciting. The light looks fun. For the first time in three months, you're not going to have to break up with anybody. And so you sit here. At the very end of this whole experience, and you're so thankful that there's two women who you care a lot about, who has fought with you, who has sat beside you, who has watched you kiss other women. And the whole time you're sitting here thinking, I am so incredibly lucky. And yes, I might have a stronger feeling towards one of these women, I might know that one of these women are probably going to be

my wife, or at least I hope they're going to be my wife. But I feel a little bit, I feel like I should communicate fully what I feel for the other one, just so they know. I felt like I was giving, and when I said that to Jojo, I almost felt like I was giving her validation, and I don't know if it's true or not, or if it was even my job to do this. I just felt like I was giving her validation and trying to tell her, Jojo, what we've done together. What you've done for me through this is very real and very special. And I need you to know that because I don't know if I'll ever get the opportunity to tell you this again.

That's sweet. But it is sweet. But yeah, way to fake her out. Like you should definitely think so way. Hey, I didn't mean to fake her out. I didn't tell her, hey, I'm going to propose you. Hey, I'm going to marry you. What I was telling her is, hey, like in any other given world when there's not somebody else here, like I need you to know how much I care about you. I don't think it was smart of me. I don't think communicating it was the right decision. I'm not. saying that I I don't regret it because I feel like at least afterwards Jojo knew how I felt and that she said okay I have a little bit of respect for Ben but I don't think I would communicate it just like I thought I don't communicate your feelings buddy hold it in don't be an idiot

like that other loser that did this hey Ben I don't I think we're concentrating a little bit too much on the I love you and not the huge twist that is the Meznik so here's something for everybody to think about when I heard about this I rewatched Jason Mezniks after I've never seen Jasek Meznik's season. So maybe I should go hit up iTunes and watch this. Yes. You all have, everybody listening should go just YouTube or iTunes or whatever you have to do to watch his after the final rose because he actually told Melissa they were basically done. I think she kind of knew. But he told Molly live.

Like she had no idea. Molly Meznik is the one he ends up marrying. So she didn't know on the after the final rose that she was now going to be asked. if he could date her instead? Correct. She comes out. I was like a gas. No way.

Because I just rewatched it because I remember it. But then now I was like, oh my God. She comes out to sit down to think she's just going to talk to him about like breaking up. No way.

Wait, Ben, did you watch it? I have so much to say about this. I'm going to let you two kind of bicker back and forth because I can tell Ashley is so excited about this that like I'm not going to get a word in for a second. So whenever you guys are done, so Molly comes out and Mez tells her, like, I ended things with Melissa

because I have feelings for you. And she, like, can't talk. Like, she just sort of sits there, like, huh? Smiling. She's obviously not, like, devastated. She's sort of smiling shocked. Really? And then at one point, she says, I dreamed of this.

But, like... Like an actual dream or just, like, a hope dream? Probably, like, a day dream. A hope dream. Okay. I like that, a hope dream. I have lots of hope dreams. so she's like and then she's like

I never stopped having feelings for you and they have this awkward conversation and it's so much silence and Chris Harrison just lets the silence just linger This is amazing Oh this is so crazy So Melissa is off stage

At this point? She's gone Like she has been dumped and she gone Did he break up with her on the show Yes but I think she on the show But I think she knew there was like trouble. I don't know. I didn't rewatch that.

How in the world did he go along with this? Like, I'm judging him as a human for being okay about one, dumping a girl on live TV and then two asking for another girl back on live TV. Maybe he thought he had no other option. He hadn't spoken to Molly

because I don't... They were like, we're never giving you her number. You will never be able to contact her. So this is like probably he thinks in his head, I don't know, I'm just guessing. I'm making this up. But he probably thought instead, like, this is my moment.

I have to tell her. her, maybe like Ben is saying with us all as I love you's, I don't know. And now they've been married for like eight years. How insane. So the one thing I will say is it did work out. Okay, Ben, share with us. I'm glad I predicted the fact that I wouldn't get a word

in because for the last three minutes I timed this. It was three minutes. No way. Going back and forth and excited. Yeah. PSA, guys, our spoiler alert is going a little bit overtime. So if you still don't want to know spoilers, fast forward a little bit more. Just keep listening. It's not a spoiler. It's fine.

Not a spoil at all. Actually, I have a feeling that this is going to be a huge storyline in the show. Yeah. You think they're going to make it known in the edit. I will say my source said, and it's a deep inside. Oh, I know. It is the most dramatic ending in a decade. So the reason I wanted to talk about it is I think people should watch so they see it so that when it happens, we can all talk about like, well, there was a sign. No, that's true. My sister, who, you know, she's, like, always going to like get the show. But she's like, now I'm going to be even more invested in the show because I'm going to look for clues. And it's just going to be so juicy. It's horrible for the two girls involved and maybe are, but it's such good TV for us.

Oh, I can't wait. Now I'm happy. Hey, guys. Ben needs to tell us about him. Yeah. Yeah. It's Ben's time. We're not going to talk.

Okay. Thank you, guys. Listening to you, I really could just listen to YouTube the whole time. It's like me listening to your podcast. It's really great. Hey, so I talked to Jason Mednick this week, actually. Oh, my God. So, Jason, this is so crazy because Jason is one of the most respectable people, I think, to ever do the franchise.

I really like Jason. He's been so good to me. I've done a lot of things with him since my time as The Bachelor. So I called Jason, and I talked to him just because I didn't really know what's going on. He hasn't, you know, fully been aware of what's happening. And all the tone I got from him We didn't talk about this forever was Gosh dang it

Like now I have to get thrown back into this whole world I know, that's so true He's out of it He's done And I think actually you made a great point Like how in the world do they get Jason to do this I asked the same question Because Jason really is somebody

That lives above reproach of the show Like he did the show To meet somebody to find a wife To find a partner for life And he did that I mean take everything else out of the consideration He found his partner, which we have to celebrate, and it's one of the most celebrated couples in the franchise. However, he did do this on TV.

And I think for that, he will always, always have to be called back in, and we'll always have to get his opinion in situations similar to this. It's so hilarious. It's really great. It's really great TV. And I just need to say one more thing before we move on. It does seem like this situation will be different than the Messing situation. in the way that I do believe that Ari probably switcherued them off camera.

Like, we're not going to see the... No, no? From what I'm hearing, we're going to see a lot of it. We're going to see a lot of it on the actual series or on the after the final rose. I don't know. I can't, I don't know. I can't answer that. There's some things I can't answer. Okay. All right, man, Amy... But I do love what Ben's saying, that Meznik was, like,

clean from this, and he is so sucked back in. Not only sucked back in, it's called pulling a mesnick. Yeah, it's called pulling a mesnick. Yeah, it's actually has a name. It's so bad for him. I really, I feel bad for Jason because he is married with kids. And I'm sure his wife is not thrilled about the idea of him coming back on the show and her reliving this. I remember at the beginning of this season, even, Emily Maynard had a tweet that said,

I cannot wait to you no longer pick anybody from my season because I know she's married with kids. She doesn't want to see herself kissing again on TV. You can never escape it. You know about Molly that she does a radio show for IHeart Radio too. That's right. She's like our colleague. If I were Molly So to sum this up

Yeah, sorry Go ahead Okay If Molly Molly is such a strong Like self-confident woman To just be a married to a guy Who proposed to somebody else

Because he thought he liked The other one more in that moment Like how tough do you have to be Emotionally to like accept that your husband One time wanted another woman over you I know that is kind of a great topic Yeah, you should ask her But maybe she liked him so much, she was just so happy, like, whatever, I got him in the end.

I guess who cares? If you get him in the end, that's all that matters. Yeah. Okay. And she got him for real. Yeah. Well, to sum this up, okay, so here's the thing before we move on the next is this is going to be one of the most dramatic endings of any bachelor season ever. And I think all of our listeners out there, if you're a bachelor fan, which I don't know why you've listened to this podcast here or not, you're in for a really exciting season.

But I also want to remind everybody, and I always seem to do this in defense of Ari, in defense of the show, in defense of the women involved, that this is real emotions being felt here. There's real things happening, no matter what his feelings were, we have to give Ari credit that he followed his heart. But we also have to feel for the women involved because somebody's heart has been broken. And somebody's heart is now confused because they're saying, Ari, how in the world did you choose somebody else originally over me? So with that said, I want to remind all the listeners that this might be fun to watch. It might be dramatic to watch. We might, you know, cover our eyes and awkwardness at the finale of the show. But remember, these are real people.

This is a real story. This could be the start of somebody's life and it could define their life, just like it's defined Jason's. And so as I talked to Jason this week, we got a feel for the guy. He's married with kids and he's going to have to come back on and relive one of the most awkward. moment of his life. All right, guys, we have a very exciting guest. She was definitely a fan favorite in the first three episodes that she was on Ari season. And now Ben and I got to experience The Bachelor Winter Games with her.

Her name is Viviana. She's spicy and she's emotional and she's a kick-ass girl. And I'm so excited for you guys to get to know her more through this podcast. But first, there's this company called Thread Up and it's basically like the coolest thrift store online. You can get really expensive brands. Like, I was looking at Manolo Bologna and, like, Louis Vuitton, on this website called ThreadUp. It's the largest thrift store that carries all of my favorite brands, including free people, top shop, all the good stuff. Yeah, it has high end all the way down to Gat.

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Lindsay, producer Lindsay. Oh, see, you could go out on thread up and got their maternity gift. It definitely could have, but a good idea. We have been able to spend quite a bit of time with this spicy, awesome, incredibly fun person.

Bibiana, welcome to the almost famous podcast. Baby! Hey, thank you for inviting me, guys. Oh, I was so excited. I'm excited to have you here. Everybody was so upset that you left week three because we did not get enough Bibiana. So, of course, the smart Bachelor producers

were like, this girl is getting on winter games. Yeah, I'm so grateful for that. Babyanna, as Ashley said, Ashley's been so excited to have you on this podcast. Because believe me, she loves you so much. I love you as well. I think you were great. I watch you on The Bachelor, actually,

after I got to know you on Winter Games. And I've always been a huge fan of you. actually even a bigger fan after watching you on The Bachelor, because I felt like you spoke truth. Now, yeah, I got to be honest. You spoke truth sometimes very direct and very harshly, but you spoke truth the whole time. So I needed to learn a little bit of truth right now about what you think so far of this season of The Bachelor after you've left. She's speechless. Yeah. So, okay, I mean, for me, it was just like obvious that I struggled and you know I just didn't really get a chance to get to know Ari so it's really good to see now that you know there's much more than just kissing and you're getting to see that like especially with this episode um I'm just what's really taking me back is just like well back of age right I didn't in my time there I didn't even know how old she was no way yeah I mean I knew she was young but I never

I never sat down to me like, yeah, how old are you? You know, like, that wasn't a thing for me. Do you have a problem with the age? Are you saying that you think she's too young? No, I don't. I don't. I mean, you can tell that she just surprises me so much in every episode. And I never even knew.

You would have, you would have never known that she had such a strong connection with this guy. She's really smart. She has, like, a little bit of this old soul. She knows she just does so well. It's really uncomfortable when you're just like with all the cameras. It's not that easy. And like from night one, she was just really comfortable with him. I don't think that her age is an issue at all.

She's, go ahead. I think she makes up for her age with her confidence. Honestly, I think as Ashley and I have talked in the podcast, take her age out of consideration here. You know, it doesn't really matter. She just has, she exudes a confidence that I haven't seen on this show in a long time. I agree. I don't think that her age is an issue at all and I think that she kind of,

even when he is concerned, she knows how to just put him in his place, you know, just to kind of reassure him that, you know, age is really nothing but a number and that confidence is just, she surprises me. Every episode, I'm just like, wow,

Becca's just... So I take it that you, you thought Becca was cool even when you were in her presence. Yeah, yeah. Is there anyone on this show that is coming across differently on TV than you experience in the house? No.

No. Interesting. Well, that leads us into something that I mean, you know, one thing Ashley's always said about you, to be honest, on the podcast and also in private is, you know, she respects you so much because of your confidence and in your ability to communicate your feelings well. One situation, kind of the way we best got to know you on The Bachelor is through your relationship with Crystal. And so kind of follow up on Ashley's question there, after now watching a few weeks after you've left and seeing more of Crystal, is this a surprise to you, the person that she's coming off as?

Or is this who you knew during the show? It doesn't surprise me, but it's not the person that I saw. Like, I never had an issue with Crystal ever. It's not like I didn't like her or she was. was like that with me at all, I just felt the need to kind of just, I kind of became like this protector over the girls and everybody was really frustrated with her and I spoke a lot of truth. And she clearly, I mean, you would think that someone confronting her that early on would have been like a good kind of like a hint, like, hey, people are already feeling this way. Like maybe

you should fall back a little bit. But she's not. And I understand and I respect the fact that like she's there for Ari I do I totally see that but you know you aren't this really unique situation and environment with all these other women that are trying like all the women are really trying to be respectful so when you have that one person that's just like not cooperating it's just you know you're seeing that a lot now you know where it's just people are really starting to get frustrated I don't know if I would have been able to hang on that long I I was gonna say that Ashley, you have always been somebody that I think has kept their cool through this whole franchise.

You're kidding, right? No, you've honestly, no, listen. Yeah, no, you showed emotion and you've gotten upset, but you've also been able to logically kind of see everything for what it is. I want to hear, and I know Crystal kind of rubbed you at times the wrong way during the season, and not her personally. We're not, let's not attack Crystal personally, but her behavior and the things she's doing, I want to kind of live it up to you, too, as women who have done this show, What kind of causes that or what kind of rubbed you the wrong way about her behavior? Well, I definitely think it was condescending. I think she always thought that she was the top of the girl gang.

Like, she was the number one and, like, everybody else was kind of runner up to her. And then there are some weird things that make you a villain in the house. One of those is not telling the girls the status of your relationship. Like, coming home from a date and being like, you know, that's private between us. that's like number one role of becoming a villain. There's another thing. What about her pity party staying home from the date? That was where I was like, and when she interrupted the rose ceremony, those are my two things

where I'm like, I don't, I can't even like you. I'm trying. Yeah, I completely agree there. Like, I can respect someone not feeling comfortable sharing all the details of a date. Like, you don't have, like, that's just not a comfortable thing. Like, if that's what she felt she needed to do. Like, that didn't rub me the wrong way. No? No, it was, I think it's more just what you just said, like interrupting the rose ceremony. Like, that's not fair to everybody else, you know? It's not supposed to be, I get the whole idea, like she's just trying to talk to him, but that conversation didn't need to happen. Okay. Another way of becoming a villain is probably making sneaky ways to get alone time when you're not supposed to have one. So hence, you know, interrupting a rose ceremony in my season, Kelsey faked or something, a fainting spell.

Like, it's just trying to get the attention of The Bachelor in a way that is not conventional. That bugged me. It's like, I don't care if she grabs him first or grabs them eight times. In fact, a 10-year-old last night said to me, oh, yeah, Crystal, the one who takes all the time. Yeah, it's time stealer. Time stealer. That's a villain thing. I can handle that.

But when she interrupted the Rose ceremony, it's like, wouldn't everybody want to do that? Why are you so special? You got to, like, follow the rules kind of. What obviously was worse than interrupting the rose ceremony was her being a total diva when it came to skipping out on the group date because Ari was a liar. Well, do you guys, okay, so here's my question for all three of you. Should Ari have gone up to her room? I think not. No, absolutely not.

That was giving in to what she was hoping what's going to happen. That was- Yeah, but I think he was just doing a respectful thing. I don't know. I don't know if that was respectful to the other girls. I think that was giving her exactly. what she planned on getting from that move. Yeah.

I think it was a, yeah, go, sorry. No, no, no, go, Bibiana. I think you can start to see how she's beginning to manipulate. And I just, I don't think that it was wrong of him to go up and talk to her, you know, and check in. I mean, he was really honest with the women and was like, I don't want it to affect the night. so something that he needed to address. And I kind of, that to me was, I didn't get a chance to talk to Ari, so I didn't know, like, a lot about him. And to see him kind of handle that was really attractive to me.

He's just like, let me go up and talk to her. And even the way that he, like, their conversation and, you know, everything he said, I thought that that was good of him to kind of just let her know, like, this is not cool, you know. and then he's like, you need to stay in your room. Yeah, I'll see you in a couple days. Yeah, he was harsh. A couple days. So then I have a question. Did she go then down to the party but never saw Ari?

Yeah, so she did end up going down to the party. And then Becca, like, scared her away. And then she only showed up for a brief time until, yeah, I guess Becca was like, what are you doing here? You said you weren't going to come. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Can we talk about winter games now? Yeah. All right. Let's do it. Bibby, you left Ari season. You didn't really like Ari. Right? You just didn't. Yeah. I mean, it's just, I can't, I didn't get to know him, you know, so. You threw some mad shade on him on Instagram. What do you think of Nick Vile's name for you? No chill. No, I love it. My son, no chill. Yeah, that's like what's what Nick says to me. And I'm like, Nick, do you really want a girl with chill? Those are, they're boring.

I, I'm, he nailed it, though, when he's like, his girl has been no chill. Like, I knew that I was no chill, but I didn't really realize how intense, like, I'm just such an intense human being. And it kind of, when you finally see yourself and your person, I was like on TV, you're just like, oh, that's what my best friend says that, like, my eyes get crazy. And then I'm just like, you speak with this intensity. I'm just like, oh, gosh. That's what my dad. My dad was like how, my first season or like every season, my dad's like, why is she still there? How is she still there?

Meeting you. Yeah. Like, why is she so dramatic? Like, how is this guy giving her? I like what Bibiana is saying, though. She learned something about herself that other people had maybe pointed out to her that she didn't believe until she watched it. Yeah. I don't mind no chill.

I mean, no chill is fine, but it was a genius name. You've got to own it. You know, it's my personality. And I can sit here and be like. kind of just shut off about it but really it's just it shines and I'm like okay well I'm no chill and maybe I just need to meditate and pray a little bit more no chill just means you're passionate and you're vocal about it yeah yeah all right so baby we obviously got to spend some time you know Ashley and I got to spend some time with you at winter games

I really respected you and Ashley had a very uh let's just say this winter games is going to be lot of fun. There's some great relationships that form. And you and Ashley have a situation that comes up during winter games that could have completely destroyed your friendship. But the two of you handled it so well. And I think, and to be very vague here, this situation happens in the real world a lot. And it oftentimes destroys friendships. But the two of you, I think, built a relationship around this common interest during winter games. Bibi, how close do you feel to Ashley, based on that experience during one of games? I mean, we instantly connected and bonded.

I feel like we come from the same planet. We totally do. Yeah. You know, for me, it's so important to just be completely open with people. And I think a lot of the times when you're just not vocal about where your feelings are at, it leads others to just like, it leaves it to the imagination, right? So I wanted to make sure that we tackled this head on. and, you know, like, if she was feeling a certain way, that she was always honest with me,

and we continuously kept, like, checking in with each other and seeing what we were at. And I was really happy that she spoke up because, you know, obviously she's, like, friends with all the guys, and that's intimidating as well. And so the first few days, we didn't really get a chance to talk about it. And then as time went on, you know, I, it was just good to see, like, we, it's easier, really. Like, if you just, if women were to talk to each other more, they would probably just, like, get through so much. Yeah. You allowed me to be so open with it.

Yeah. I think it's just, and then you see, right? So, like, as we were talking, I don't know. I can, I don't, I don't know if I'm saying too much, but, like, we would talk about it and you could tell, like, her relationship was forming a lot more, and I wasn't feeling it either. You know, I think this is a question. No, it's perfect. It's fine. You just feel comfortable.

Well, everything is good here. I want to ask the two of you then to talk about it because man or woman, what you two did is a very difficult thing. So I want to leave it up to you two. Why were you two so open with each other? Why did you choose to communicate in the way that you did? Because I respected it and I felt like it because of the decisions you made and then I'll stop here because they don't want to speak for you. It allowed less conflict to enter in. So why did the two of you decide to communicate the way you did?

I just think that we hit it off so immediately, like on day one, that I knew that she was going to be one of my closest girlfriends in the house, and Baby is, like, not easily angered, actually. She's just, like, such an emotional person that you can just talk to her about anything, and you think that the normal person would be like, okay, wait, what? And then she doesn't react like that at all. baby that's that is that surprising to hear because you are fiery you are intense and actually sitting over there saying that you're not easily angered and i think for most most of the viewers out there and the listeners this podcast they would associate no chill with anger are you not easily angered she puts girlfriends first she really is like girl power really girl power um i don't you know and this is how i explain it to people like

you're not going to see every detail of, you know, what, of my night during that rose ceremony, right, where Crystal and I kind of just had our, like, thing. But because there's so much more going on that, you know, people need to see as well. So, like, me getting to that point came from somewhere, you know, it wasn't just, like, I snapped. It wasn't that. It was just a build-up and a series of things that had happened that I felt strongly, like, to just tell Crystal what was happening.

And, yeah, I was really angry, and I could have taken, I could have chilled a lot. But for me, like, when you're continuously talking to each other and being open and vulnerable, like, you just see that. You're, I don't know, I just, I connected with Ashley, and I always wanted her to feel comfortable around me. And by not talking, that's when you kind of shut people off. And I am someone who puts my girlfriends first.

You know, I think that it's extremely important to just, it's like a girl power thing. It's really, it's a girl power thing. It's you put, you very much respect women and their feelings. Yeah, I definitely do. And I think it's super nice that Ashley's the same, like I'm not this like angry person. I actually take my time. even my relationships I'm so open

I'm such an open person like communication to me is the most important thing because then how do you build a foundation and a friendship or anything you know so I'm so happy that I gained a friend yeah I mean that's bringing to my last question then

it's Ashley and Bibiana you two obviously had a very personal experience at winter games why are you excited for our listeners out there and for the fans of The Bachelor now to watch Winter Games? What about Winter Games met so much to you too? I'm most excited.

I think that I was a lot more of myself at Winter Games. It was comfortable. I was comfortable. We had such a good time. And I think that people will see that. I think people will see that I'm not this like just fiery

overly opinionated woman, I also know how to have fun and goof around and, you know, can just have a good time and be myself. So I'm really excited to see how it all weighs out. So I just wanted to say that I like the way that you can see two girls just really support each other before anyone else. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's it. And I think that's what I saw in the two of you, is you support each other.

You communicated with each other in a situation that is formed to cause conflict. And it is formed to cause jealousy. You two fought through that, and you rose above it. And for me, as a friend of both of you, I really respected that. And I learned a lot from the way you treated each other. So I'm excited for people to watch under games because they're going to see conflict. They're going to see the drama. They're going to see the relationships.

they're going to see the excitement and the intrigue of what a bachelor show brings, but they're also going to see two people rise above it all and say, okay, we want what's best for each other here, and that's what you two did. Yeah, thanks, Ben. You really put that well. Yeah. Thank you. Amy, Amy, I know that you have talked to, you know, the producers of the Winter Games.

I know you that you know a lot of what's going on there. What are you excited for people to watch about Winter Games? What are you excited to watch? All y'all? I just like watching. You know, I think one thing, the reason Paradise is so successful is we're watching people we already have gotten to know.

It is a lot more fun to watch when we know you guys somewhat. The hardest part about Bachelor is, I'm like, who is that? Who is that? Who is that? Who is that? So that's why those spin-off shows are so enjoyable because we're watching friends or people we already hate or people we already like, and it makes it way better. Yeah, totally agree. what's going to be 100% agree

I have to have a little preview the people that I work with over at ABC for the Bachelor Instagram they said that they got to watch the first episode a couple days ago and the girls were like running up and down at the cubicle hallways being like Bachelor winner games is the best Bachelor spinoff ever and they're like we promise

we weren't saying that because we're biased towards you like it's actually fantastic oh that's super good to hear yeah yeah you guys will kill it I mean You're a great representation during winter games of how this whole show can actually be real. It can actually be good. It can be beneficial. And it represents at some level what life could look like outside of the show.

So I think Amy speaks, she said something that really resonates with me. And what I loved about being on winter games is there's people from all over the world, people we don't quite know yet, that come in to Vermont. And they experience something that a lot of us has gotten experienced. for a Bachelor's spinoff show. However, for them, they're new to it. We get to meet them. For some of us, we get to build relationships with them. And I think it's going to be so exciting for the fans of The Bachelor here in the United States

to see how awesome some of the contestants from all of the world are as well. Yeah, it's truly a demonstration of unity and love, as they like to say. Yeah, I agree. All right, Bibby. Thank you so much for joining us today. That was quite an emotional talk. I really just feel like we haven't been a broad. casting this, but we love you so much, and we cannot wait for fans to see more of you soon.

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Damn. Sleep in it. What? Okay, well, I just got some Trey's Dr. Cupcake set me up with some Zoom. So, you know, that, you know, the in dental office. He's still actually a dentist? I thought he was, like, doing TV talking now. No, no, no.

He goes on the doctor sometimes, but he is an actual dentist. And your teeth, he said that my teeth couldn't get any whiter, and now I know that that's a lie. You like spray paint. This is nuts. All right, Chad, what do you think about Crystal? Is she a true villain? Is she too... Is she authentic in the way she's truly evil?

Or is it all an act? I was going to say, before we hop in, and I just want to say congrats to Ben, I see all the stuff you've been doing with the people in Honduras. That's really cool. Thanks so much, man. Yeah, for sure, man. And also, you know, congrats to you on the Winter Games, Ashley.

Thanks, both of us. but anyway yeah i uh you know i'll be i'll be the first to say that when i first saw crystal i called her out like we we were videoing i was with you know my manager here and we were videoing me doing a little like commentary about the show and before anybody else had seen it i was like she's fake everything she's doing is planned out and she's going through all the bachelor steps right like you know doing the miss america thing and then after a while then it became less fun after episode two or three because then everybody else saw it and i was like okay Well, now everybody's playing into it.

So then I immediately started, like, backing her up. Because you supported somebody who went with a plan. Exactly. I was like, you know, okay, so now everybody else is hating her. How can I be the devil's ad advocate for that? And so, you know, now I feel like, you know, she started off so fake. And she had this whole plan. And then once she realized that everyone was kind of attacking her, now she's kind of gotten real.

And everyone else, it's like, why are you still attacking her? She looks bad already. You know she looks bad And then like Becca That's interesting That's interesting Like Becca She just kept going at it

When she should just have let her ruin herself Exactly It was like she had already You know ruined herself pretty bad Just in the one episode alone And Becca was like You look horrible Like no one likes you anymore

And I was like God Becca And if you think about it too How can a 22 year old That came onto the show Relate to you know A 29 year old or something Whether she is being fake or real those two different people have two totally different aspects of life.

And at 30, you're kind of, you know, jumping at the grip to maybe find somebody, whereas you got Becca who's like, whatever, I got a lot of years of hotness left. Now, that is a really interesting take because I hadn't thought of that. And hearing you say that, it's like she was creating herself to be this villain or fool or whatever word you want to use. But when the girls ganged up on her and each person was pulling her aside to be like, you suck it's true you did feel a little bit like oh it's a pile on yeah yeah it was like why what's how is that necessary i still will never understand what the point is of people talking to

the lead about how terrible a person is or sitting down in someone's face and telling them hey you're you're pretty horrible like thank you like i'm not sure why you felt the need to tell me that the whole world just saw it okay so but you you were a planned villain right you went in knowing that you had fun, pushing buttons. No, it was the opposite on mine. On mine, I went in totally real. I'd never watched the show before. And I was actually trying to do it for real,

which like, you know, when they're calling like, all right, 15 of us are going on a date. And everyone's like, yay. I'm like, this doesn't make sense. Okay. I don't want to go on a date with 15 people. Like, I had never watched it. So I was really trying to do it the way someone in a real dating scenario would.

I mean, I always said things that you said were like, wow well you know what he's just saying it the way it is it really is and it took a turn after a while because what happened was when I saw these guys sitting around like you know oh my gosh if I can't see her day I don't know what I'm going to do and I was like we're a bunch of 30 year old good looking dudes like I'm pretty sure we've dated girls before and we don't freak out if like we don't get called the first day right so once I started seeing that happen I was like oh okay they're just playing the role and they're being fake and I realize it looked bad for me trying to be real, so I was like, all right, well, I'll out fake them then, you know, I'm already the

bad guy, I can't go back now. So you caught on and you were like, okay, well, now that I've been pigeonholed into the villain character, I'm going to continue with this. Exactly. And I tried to come back a few times and, you know, I was working with production. I was like, I can't come back, can I? And they were like, no, man. Wait, speaking of that, what do you think will happen to Crystal? Like, is she going to be, you know, on paradise? Or is she going to be so villainy that we're like, get lost? You know, I, I'm not sure. with Crystal. I can assume she's going to be on Paradise for sure, just because of

she is kind of a big presence. I think that she'll probably get some type of, you know, what's it called? Redemption story? You know, where maybe she is being real or she learns to take it a little more real versus the whole, just the voice thing in general. No matter what she says and how real

it is, the voice is going to ruin it. Right, that baby whispery, talky thing, yeah. You think that's exaggerated? You think that's her real voice? I don't know. Supposedly if you watch her Instagram stories, and I'm not being mean, it just isn't her voice. But I think she uses it with Ari in a flirty way,

and then she uses it with the girls to be like, see, I'm soft, I'm not, you don't need to yell at me. So what do you think is going through her head because I kind of can't wait to talk to her while she's watching? Oh, man, I think she at first thought, like, I killed it. Oh, man, everyone's going to love me. Look at all these good things I do. I've said everything's perfect.

And then I think as it went on, you know, she was probably getting calls like, oh, it's not going to look so good for you today. But, you know, I don't think she's a bad girl or anything. I think she just came into it a little too calculated. And maybe she even was real about actually looking for a relationship. But I think she came in trying to portray herself in such a way and so hard that it made everything about her seem fake. Ben, were you surprised Ari kept her last night? Did you think it was her time to go home?

No, I think it made a lot of sense, actually, for his behavior. And I actually, we talked about it in our last segment, Chad, and you're in studio. So you heard this with Bibiana, is why in the world would Ari go up and give Crystal attention after she's kind of thrown her fit. And it's obvious now because he kept her that he really cares about her. And he's probably super confused now because this might have been the first time that he's seen her, I don't know how to say it, crazy side. And that's the one thing that the viewers have to understand is, as The Bachelor, you're closed off to most things until it kind of blows up in your face. And so he is just getting his first education in what we know as Crystal. So for me, I think, and Chad, I know, you know, Jojo has asked about you a lot, and you're able to speak on this.

And I want to take a second here and pause because your commentary in every podcast that you've done with us has been incredible. It's been really spot on. and you speak to things that I know if you're in think about sometimes. And I want to give you a little shout at here. You have created a YouTube channel that you're going to be doing commentary on, your own commentary on The Bachelor each week. It's hilarious. It's lighthearted.

It's fun. And tell me if I have this wrong. It's at www. TheChat. Dot. Am I correct? Yep. That's right.

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I really don't know why we're doing this, but she's doing it because it just pleases her. Well, and the people want to know your thoughts on these things from the show. So first question. Long-haired Becca in the hotel room. So what do we think that Ari brought her to that hotel room and also their barfie, lovey conversation? Chad first.

I'm going to say, honestly, he looked like he just kind of wanted to tickle her or something. They didn't even really talk or convey anything. He literally was just like grabbing it every piece of her body And then they started making out like two minutes into it, right? Thanks, Chad. He's like, I really need a lone time to get to know you better.

And then it was just like, I want to get to know you better too. Everything's amazing. Let's make out. Let's just tickle and stuff. I wonder how much conversation was really taken out of that scene. But if it was a real, that's like the one caveat about The Bachelor. It's all like, we need to get to know each other better. And then it's like, I know we do.

This place is so amazing. It's the best place to get to know each other better. Okay, Ben, what do you think? Honestly, I mean, the hotel stuff's pretty nice for me. Honestly, it kind of separates everything and takes you away from the group. And so I'm a huge fan of any time you can get away. Fair enough. Okay.

Frog eating Raven Friend Tia. I want to know what everybody thinks. And I can't remember if they're from Kansas or where. She's from Arkansas. Arkansas. So what does everybody think about Tia? Because I feel like last night she kind of emerged or tonight, whatever, as a frontrunner.

I think she's been a frontrunner for a while. Chad first, you're not playing the game properly. Hold on, Ashley. I think, honestly, like, they were just like, hey, Raven, we kind of want you, but like, can you just clone yourself and send a friend? I know, Raven 2.0. Seriously, same voice, same hair, same everything. Like, literally, it was just like, all right.

And she even said, she was like, I actually live in the city? And he was like, oh, well, yeah, we're in a swamp eating frog legs. Okay, so. Okay, Ashley, go. Okay, so, yeah, I think Tia was actually a front-runner the entire time, and I think that they were like, you know what? We really liked the Raven caricature from last season, so let's just do it.

Let's ask Raven if she has any friends like her. And Ben, what do you think of Tia? I have a thousand things to say about this date. So I'm going to take my time here and talk about it. Tia has been a front-runner for me since the beginning. I think Tia is just herself. I think she's pretty, she's confident. So I always thought, okay, in this group of women, she stands above the rest.

I love this date. And let me tell you why for one second. I love alligators. It is my favorite things in the world. I absolutely love, I mean, I'm not kidding you. I'm obsessed with alligators. When I see an alligator, I get giddy. I get excited.

I don't get giddy and excited very often in life right now. And so this date to me might have been, and I have this in my notes in the episode, this date is one of my favorite dates ever done on The Bachelor because here's, and here's my theory. behind it and then we'll move on is this is a type of date it looked like to me that is an experience that you could do in your real life but it would be one that you would remember forever and I just felt like this was one that I could relate with because I would enjoy it so much I would eat frog legs I would go out I would eat frog legs yeah um this is a really cool date for me and so I thought from I really enjoyed watching tea on this date uh because she fit in

well so Ari obviously knew what he was doing and I got I got one thing to say on I don't know a whole lot about Tia. I've been kind of zoning out this season. But the one thing that I noticed on this last episode, and the one thing that I always noticed, it kind of gives you a clue to what the people are really thinking. When somebody says, I think I'm falling in love with you, and they're not looking at the person when they say that,

if you notice, they'll immediately, like, go hug their chest and put their head down. What's the first thing you do when you really are falling in love with someone? You look at that person's eyes, right, to see what they're thinking. Yeah. So I got a little bit of, you know, A fraud out of that So like she was saying it

But she really wasn't quite there Yeah like this is my move It's my time We didn't even talk about the fire She said I love you in week five Like that's gone crazy But is that not the one thing you do If you're falling in love with someone

You want to see the way they look at you Unless she was so nervous about it That she's like I can't look at you I don't think you're actually I don't know about that one Okay next question Okay so my last two questions I love everybody's thoughts quickly

I call her Yale I don't know her name But she's very smart Yale and then Chelsea the mom I want to know each of your thoughts on her I don't even know Sienna which won't see Cian yeah she's Yale she went Did you watch the episode where they went to Tahoe

She went parasailing in Tahoe? No I missed that part Okay well I like Cien and I actually like Chelsea Chelsea what a turnaround first couple episodes First two episodes we definitely thought she was going to be a villain Definitely not a villain And Cien is yeah she's great She seems almost too smart for him

I hate saying things like that. I don't like saying things like that. Well, that's good. I mean. But she's smart. She's got a pleasant personality. She's beautiful. I see nothing wrong with CN yet.

Oh, right. And hopefully, seems like everything's right. Yeah. Yeah. She just seems like a catch. Amy, you want a headline? Yeah.

If Cian is a Bachelorette, I would seriously consider going back on. Oh. No way. Tell us more. Tell us more. What do you like about it? I think, I mean, how,

what do you not? like about CNN. I mean, honestly, I think we can all agree that she is beautiful. She's so smart. She has kind of stayed under the radar when it comes to the drama of the season, but yet she's engaged herself enough into the commentary to know that she actually has an opinion. I think watching CN for me is somebody, I'm saying, that is a great partner for anybody in life. She is going to be a leader in the house. She's going to be able to support her partners. They're going to be able to work together. And she's going to be able to bounce, like the cool part about what that I think Ari isn't taking advantage of in this is I feel like she's full

with so much wisdom that she could really help him along this experience so I have always been a CNN fan I am just becoming even more of a CN fan over the last couple weeks Ben you know you wouldn't have to go on her season of The Bachelorette you could just date her and roll her yeah would you would you know I would not I'll slide in for you man I got this yeah you'd go on her episode her show she's the bachelor's but you don't you wouldn't ask her out no i mean i would i was just trying to help you out amy um so here's the thing yeah i i i guess i obviously would ask her out she she's great uh she has caught my interest since the beginning i think she's caught a lot of people's interest would i ask her yes that i i shouldn't say no of course i would but i'm

just saying that if she was a bachelorette as much i would never want to do the bachelorette or bachelors i would say, okay, that would make me temp. I would be tempted to think about it because she's that great. Wow. Wow. Thank you, Ben. Thank you so much. I love your love. She's going to know now. Yeah. I don't know who, you know, we don't know spoilers, but if she doesn't win, I would expect that you'll hear from her in your DMs. Yeah. I'll, hey, I'll fall on the stores for this podcast any day. Well, Ben, if you're going to date CN, you have to have your shiny. most beautiful skin, you know, because she has beautiful skin. And it's still kind of the new year, and it's time to start a healthy habit.

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BioClarity.com and our code Famous. Speaking of famous, before we say goodbye to you, Chad, you have literally been one of the most famous villains ever on the Bachelor franchise. And before you go, I have one last question to ask you. After watching this

season, you know, I know the likes of the Olivia Caredes of the world and Crystal have both spoken out against bullying, especially coming from this franchise. I want to hear one, your thoughts on that. And two, you know, the common phrase as we watch this and I know I've always said it and I want to know if I'm right or wrong

is that you know sometimes our behavior on the show can we can learn from it when we watch it back did you learn anything from being on the bachelorette and then we're going to say goodbye to you absolutely you know and the one good thing that I have had is I had the opportunity on both famously single on e and Celebrity Big Brother UK to give myself a redemption um unfortunately I don't think many people in America saw Celebrity Big Brother UK so I still hold my villain it but yeah I think it does teach you a few things about yourself obviously you know maybe don't lash out at people or even if you don't feel like lashing out maybe don't play the guy lashing out because people will assume that you are that person in

real life do you okay so you're hoping now if you were to give Crystal any advice because this is your moment she's going to listen to the podcast I promise what would your advice be for her now moving out of this on this show for the next couple weeks. Moving out of the show, I mean, you mean like on the show or dealing with like a hate off line? It's not going to get any better, I don't think, for her on the show. But when she leaves the show, what do you think? How would you deal with it?

You know, I think the number one thing to do is not read your comments. You know, everybody gets so wrapped up in Instagram and Twitter and everything that people are saying online. But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what people say that's not affecting your life. And the only thing that can affect your life is if you allow the things that they say to, change the way you think of yourself so don't read into it and just keep doing what you always do day to day that's right that's right well hey chad we appreciate you man and in the famous words of crystal uh let me read this quote directly as she said last night these girls these girls don't operate at my level i'm done that was glitter we'll talk to that was glitter

hey i wouldn't let you guys know i'll be doing an instagram live during the show at eight o'clock Pacific time on Monday night. So just going to give a little commentary live. So thanks for having me. I will be tuning in. Glad you plug that because now I have a new favorite thing for it too. We'll see how it goes. All right, guys.

Thank you so much for listening to the Almost Famous podcast. We love you so much. We love our sponsors and we love feedback. So continue to tweet at us, review us on iTunes. And we'll see you next week. We're going to talk more about the Bachelor Winter Games. That's right. Yeah, we're going to be here.

As you're excited. you're going to see a little bit of us on TV. I don't think either of us are that nervous about it. Maybe we should be. That might be a problem. I might be unaware of what's to come. That's a good point. We want to thank our producer, Amy, for all the time that she spends on this podcast.

I want to thank Easton, who's in studio today, helping the sound out with all of this, because I'm sick, and so he's probably moving the levels all around to make sure this works for us. Ashley, as always, you're great. Until next week, we'll miss you all. But hey, I'm excited to have a little break. To do with that. I've been Ben. I've been Ashley.

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