The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - S6 E8 Fantasy Sweets

Episode Date: July 24, 2018

Former Bachelorette Rachel Lindsay drops on to give some inside info on what goes on in the fantasy suites, and we hear her honest opinion on what’s happening in going on during Becca’s season.  Plus, she and Ben bond over makeup, and they trade stories of their appearance on Lip Sync Battle.  And, we get exclusive details on Rachel’s wedding, and Ben has exciting news about finding a new relationship.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast with IHartRadio. Hey, guys, it's Ashley. I was just waiting there for Ben to say, hey, what's up? And I was like, oh, that's on me right now. Ben will be joining us later on the show. But right now, I have Rachel Lindsay on to talk about this episode, Fantasy Sweets. Rachel, hello. Hello.

How are you doing? I'm good. I feel like I was just talking to you. I know. I feel like we've already analyzed these guys together. If you guys didn't know, Rachel and I were on Access the YouTube channel last week. And we really grilled the guys when it came to hometowns. So I'm glad you're always a good conversationalist when it comes to this stuff and basically everything in life. So I'm glad to have you here break down this episode with me as well. Okay, Blake was the first guy out there.

and they weren't allowed to kiss or touch. You didn't have one of those dates, did you? What? No, yeah. Yeah, I think there was a fantasy suite, and I don't want to say which episode it was. I think it may have been from Jojo season or Ben's season, and they couldn't kiss or touch,

because there was somewhere where it was forbidden. Oh, my gosh. Can we imagine if Brian and I had that? We probably wouldn't be here today. Do you think it would be almost good? because it would create sexual tension? I 100% would create sexual tension. I mean, it's actually kind of a really good idea

because it's going to make for a good fantasy fleet. I would assume. Actually, that could be really good. You don't touch until dinner time, and then at dinner time you get to, like, hold hands and peck a little bit. And then all of a sudden, you're going to the room, and it's like, boom, I haven't touched you in literally two and a half weeks because, you know, hometowns, there's a big gap in that.

Yeah, Rachel, only you, would know between the two of us how much time is between hometowns and fantasy suites so let everybody know it's about oh my gosh see mine was a little weird because remember we spent time in Dallas before we actually went to the fantasy suites because my sister couldn't travel because she's pregnant yeah it's about between the hometowns i'd say like a week and a half two weeks okay so about 10 days i think that's what blake was saying Yeah. Yeah. It's a long time. And then you see each other and you can't touch. Oh, my gosh. I would be frustrated. I was like, get it over with. The theme with Blake is that he is just worried that his feelings are deep, but he doesn't know if the other guy's feelings are the same. You know, he's just like, I can't imagine that they feel this way. There's no way that they feel this way. And I know that Blake is your favorite, right?

She is. Why is that? This is a betting to me, this behavior because it's like a downward spiral. Like you cannot focus on the other man. You have to focus on the lead. Otherwise, you've been out of control. But he's my favorite, like it's really because I feel like his chemistry just speaks through the TV with Becca. Like there's this instant bar.

You can tell they're really into each other and it seems so natural. It's a passion. Like they've known each other for such a long time. That's what it looks like. Totally. There's a passion between them and even a communication between them that I don't think she has with the other guys. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I just like it. Well, we're able to. He gives me a good vibe. I'm a vibes person and he gives me a good vibe. He does. But he also gives off like obsessive vibe sometimes.

Would that be a turnoff for you? Okay. See, maybe I'm, this is where the logical side is coming in. but I feel like, how can you not be that way in that environment? Like, it can't be all perfect because that was like a worry for me with Brian. It's like, how are you so positive? This is the craziest way to date someone. It's natural to me to see somebody crack a little bit, right?

Like, so I guess that's how I look at it, but I also see no wrong with Blake. So maybe I'm, maybe I'm a problem. No, I actually think you're opening my eyes to that because sometimes I watch Blake and I'm like, Blake, geez, can you calm down? You're so anxious. You're making me nervous watching you. But then again, I know that I am usually, Blake. Like, I'm just that nervous person.

So I'm the last person to say something like that. And then you're right. It's almost like a red flag if they're not freaking out just a bit. Yeah. I mean, he really likes her. And that's what I get from it. He doesn't want to lose her. And that's the only thing that I see when I see him break down.

Now, this episode is. bothering me a bit. I feel like it's a downhorse spiral. That's what I'm afraid of at this point. Okay. I'm afraid that if he isn't the last one standing, that he is going to lose his freaking mind. He says that he's never been in love like this before. Even the last relationship where his parents were honestly, like, concerned, like we should probably send this guy to get some help. Point. He says he loves Becky even more than he loved that girl. Wait, can I first say that I thought you were going to say, I'm afraid if Blake isn't the last one standing, Rachel, that you're going to have a breakdown. That's what I thought. No, I've changed my wordage.

It was going to be a little less PC. No, I promise I'll be okay. But you're right. Actually, you bring up a really good point. Oh, no. I totally forgot what his parents said. And the parents know you best. That could have been, like, telling.

Oh, yeah. is. I know. Think about that. I'm truly concerned about him if he doesn't get picked. I am too now. Well, we know that it's between Garrett and Blake, and it's just interesting. Garrett, to me, very sweet, nice guy. Doesn't seem to be as much depth there as Blake, but maybe it's just because he's just naturally more lighthearted and fluffy. Fluffy is the perfect word, and I'm going to start using it now. Oh, good. I'll give you all the credit. Because when it came out of my mouth, I was, like, fluffy to describe Garrett, Mr. Manly Man?

Nope, I get it because he's still light. It seems to be carefree. And nothing bothers them. So that's perfect. I'll give you the credit for that if I use it going on. Thanks. Okay, it's hard for me to watch at this point, right? Because I know how my season went and I know how the finale is.

And I know when it gets down to the last two, the last two, how hard it is. And I have come out and said, you didn't. not get to see the essence of Ryan. That's my biggest regret in this whole thing. You didn't get to see what? The essence of Brian. Oh, okay. Yeah.

So I think it's almost repeating itself because I'm like, of these two guys, we've seen way more depth with Blake. Like, I guess we saw more depth with Peter. And then you're like, why can't there be more focus on the other guy's depth? Yeah. No. And that's what I'm trying to watch it as a viewer and not. as somebody who's been through the experience.

So I get pulled both ways because as a viewer, it's Blake going through the experience, I'm sure there's more to get it. I know. I'm sure he's not all bluff. You know, I'm sure there's some depth there. But we don't see it.

Let us into more of your frustrations about that, how you didn't get to see the essence of Brian. Yeah, I mean, I feel like when you saw Brian and I, you saw a lot of making out. And we did do that. I'm not going to deny it, right? But you didn't see our meaningful conversations. I remember the first, one of the first conversations I had with Brian.

He told me how his parents had been together for 39 years. His dad had cancer very early on and how his mom stuck with him and how he had three children before. And I just learned how much family meant to him. That was one of our first conversations. He never saw that. I know. So we really were building something. And I understood why the audience saw Brian a certain.

way, but I hated that they couldn't trust that I had the whole story and you had two hours a week of these people. I almost said characters. Why do you think they do it like that? I just think that if it's obvious maybe who, like you're more in a one person than another, then that's not good TV. You know, I think that you need to, you need to have more of a dynamic relationship with multiple people. And especially if there's nothing, there's nothing going on. Like, Brian and I

had no drama, then that's not good TV. Nobody wants to watch that. You have to create something. So I guess that's, that's the thing. Like, Blake is giving her so much concern each week. And that's better TV than Blake, who's, who, Garrett, that's just like, oh, I'm good. I'm confident. Let's do this thing. Let's do the damn thing. Nothing. Yeah. I've heard that in a while. It's just, everything just rolls off Garrett's back, right? Like, oh, you know, there are other men here. Who cares? Whatever. You know, I'm like, there's like nothing.

I don't know. Has he frowned once? No. Has he had anything other than that big smiles. Oh, I guess there's two times where I'm thinking Garrett wasn't just like fluffy. And that was with Chris R when Chris R was all concerned about not getting time in Vegas on the group date. I love that, Garrett. Me too.

I want more of that Garrett. I was like, that's the Garrett we've been looking for. I wrote like a whole thing about it. No, I really liked him. Oh, what was the other time? The other time is actually when they were talking about Colton's virginity. He like actually was like, I'm not sure if that's something that she's going to be okay with going into an engagement. That's, oh, yeah, I guess I forgot about that part too.

See, okay, maybe that's the side of the Becca's thing that we don't really get to see. Yeah. I kind of like the man up side. Yeah, I do too. But I feel like whatever decision she makes at the end, you know, I definitely want people to be supportive about it and not, you know, like, for example, if she doesn't choose Blake, I'm not going to criticize Becca for her decision because she made the best decision for herself. So I hope that people give her that same respect because I didn't get it. And so I just like wish upon her that you trust the decision that. she made. I completely agree. What you went through was obnoxious.

Yeah, it was. Moving on. It made us stronger, so we're all good. That's good. You know, I think that Jared and I always say the same thing. It's like if we could go back in time and he acted on certain feelings at certain times where he didn't actually do that, we wonder if we would be as strong as we were today.

So we are happy we went through it all in the long run. completely agree let's see okay let's talk about jason for a second because we've no poor jason left and i think he's a fantastic bachelor candidate i think you know he's like swath he's like that guy who's gonna actually he's gonna make the girls go crazy i think i don't think blake or garrett would necessarily make the girls go insane but i think jason has that sexual aura that little like I'm not going to come at you. You need to come to me. I'm not so easy to get,

ORA. But if he's a bachelor, and I agree with you, that's the vibe I get from home, and the hair is really the key behind it. You know that, right? I know. If it was different,

we wouldn't describe him that way. There's something very smooth about that hair. I completely agree. If he just were to put some hair sprayer, some gel in there and, like, have some spikes, you know,

if he were to have the jerry, or Brian Hare. He wouldn't have that allure. Is that weird to say about our fiance? No, I totally see it. Okay. It's that slicked back Milo Ventimilia-Hare. Totally, totally see it. I was going to think about him being a good bachelor. I just, we just need, he's going to have to open up more.

To be a good lead, you have to let yourself go. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I agree. And he's too. put together because I feel like I was I was like more put together during next season and then I was a little bit more let go as the Basterette so I'll be more to them we've seen him opening up a lot more the past two weeks when he gave her the photo album of all their times with friends and the stuff that we didn't necessarily see on TV that was so cute and he wanted her to know just how deep his love was even if he didn't say it all the time it was really sweet

now she cut him off before fantasy suites she she you know let him go at dinner and I asked him this the other day at men tell all I go would you have rather gone into the fantasy suite and had that time and then be honestly dumbed the next day or would you have preferred the way it went where you didn't have that intimate private time and he said he would have rather had the fantasy suite and been broken up with afterward Of course. I'm glad he was honest about that. Me too. Anybody else who says otherwise would be lying. That makes me like Jason even more. It's so true. Yeah. So he can have more time with her because it really is different when you have that time off camera.

Did you have a fantasy suit with Eric? Yeah, you did. I did. I did. And I think it just feels the deal for you if it hasn't already because you'd ask all those good, juicy questions. You can stay up all night and talk, you know, and I just, like, after each one, I knew what was up.

Yeah. And so for him, I think it's kind of like seeing it through because he's probably like, man, I didn't even get that chance. I bet there were things he wanted to tell her that he hadn't told her yet because he thought he could do it in the fantasy suite. Mm-hmm. I think you definitely give him the time. I think it's almost more hurtful and more frustrating, and they leave with less

of a feeling of closure if you dump them before the fantasy suite now if you really don't think that you're going to end up with this person in the end then you know

don't sleep with them just talk in the fantasy suite right she didn't have to sleep with them I just feel like it was like I don't want to spend any alone time with you

that's how I read it because you don't have to sleep with them and maybe maybe she didn't want the impression to look like that because people always assume that That could be. You don't have to.

I know. Like, you absolutely don't. I didn't sleep with everybody in a fantasy sleep. You have to do that. You really can't just talk and get to know the other person. And I feel like, I don't know. If I'm being positive, yes, she wanted to send him home before fantasy sleep because she didn't want to get his hopes up. If I'm being negative, she didn't want to spend in me a long time with him.

Could be. I think she just has a guilty conscious coming off Ari where she really, really does. doesn't want to lead anyone on. That's good, even though it's inevitable, right? Because that's the whole game. It's the whole game. I knew before Fantasy Suite's what I was going to do. Yeah.

And I still, you still have to keep people along each week. So you're always leading someone on until the very end. I have two people that proposed to you. You're always leading someone on. How does that great on you? I could not. It's hard. I mean, that's why you see people break down in the end because even though you know this isn't the person for me, at this point, you've grown close to them in some way, whether you see them as a friend or as a boyfriend or for your future.

There's some type of connection there, and you don't want to hurt their feelings because this person's pouring their soul to you. And in your mind, they're like, you're not the one, but you have to keep it going for purpose of the show. It's hard. It's really hard. hard. So I understand her breakdown. Before we get Ben on the phone, let's talk about sleeping together in the fantasy suite. So I have this thing, I have this made up stat that I think like at least 35% of people don't sleep together in the fantasy suite. I would say it's higher than that. I probably, I usually say 50, but I'm really trying to be realistic now. So between 50 and 35?

Yeah, I'd say 50. Okay, great. Like, I mean, yeah, I might be even higher than that. I know. There is just this huge assumption. And I get it. If I'm doing, too, I'm watching, you haven't been with someone for weeks. You, you know, you're drinking, whatever.

There's obviously this physical attraction with the other person. So, of course, you assume that that's what happens. When you go behind the closed doors, my parents say. So, you know, I get it, but more likely than not, no. Sometimes you're just tired and happy to have a good night's sleep. I know. It's such a better night's sleep than usual, too, for some reason. It is.

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Hey It's been so weird without you I like keep pausing for you to like come in That makes me feel special at least We missed you Your girl Rachel Slash the girl you battled In lip sync battle on Thursday night

Is on the line She beat you dude She beat you Did you watch Ashley What's up Rachel? So before we get into this, I need to ask Ashley Her opinion. Yeah, I watched it, Ben. I was there.

Oh, that's a good point. Oh, yeah, that's a good point. You were there. I tell you what, as soon as Rachel stepped on stage, I knew even from the beginning that the odds were against me. And so, like I said, I knew I had two options. I wasn't going to dance better, but I could do the most outrageous things to try to get the crowd vote,

and I still didn't even do that. So I lost in all aspects. I actually have to disagree with you, Ben. When you didn't call me, maybe, I was here, okay? I'm not admitted to this public yet, but I thought that was the most genius song to do. And I feel like the show didn't capture how into it everyone was, because I remember sitting back watching like, oh, my gosh. I thought he was perfect, crawling on the floor, dropping it like it's hot,

I thought, oh, my gosh. You did really, really well. I was actually nervous. I will have to say this. Ben, probably won round one, and you, Rachel, won round two. And usually round two is what really gets you the win. You know one thing I learned from all of this?

What? Wearing makeup is a big pain because trying to get that stuff off of your face is for it. Yeah, it's really bad. Even makeup remover wipes don't usually do the job. I use baby oil when I wear as much eye makeup as you did that day. Maybe you'll appreciate our struggle and what we have to do to look beautiful from here on that. I get it. Now, I will tell you, Rachel, that was one of the most fun things I have done post-bachelorette is, let's sing, battle.

I had an absolute blast that day. I did too. No, that was like a dream for me. I mean, I do that at home, so it was nice to do better. I've been prepared for this my whole life. That is amazing. You guys did a great job. Just one more thing about makeup.

Rachel, are you with me in this? It's totally off topic. But I'm just thinking in a daydream right now about how much I hate removing my makeup. I delay going to bed a solid hour each day because I'm putting off, taking off my makeup and washing my face. Okay. I'm with you. but I just fall asleep with the makeup on. Oh, you do?

I don't want to do it. Yeah, no, it's bad. Oh. Like, a lot of times I fall asleep with my makeup on because I don't want to do that. It's the worst. It's girls' underrated biggest first world problem. Yeah. It's almost, oh, it's painful.

I give myself, like, three days a year to fall asleep with my makeup on. I'm like, I am this tired. I'm going to do it today. Hey, I've got respect for you both now. Thanks. Yeah, I've got total respect for you both. For any woman out there or male, I mean, I like the eyeliner. I thought I thought I could rock that every day.

I love giliner. It's a big pain. Yeah, it's a good thing. It kind of brought out, I felt like it brought out my eyelashes. Ben loves his eyelashes. He uses a curler now. He uses a, oh, no, you use a spoolie. Yeah, let's not say curler.

Let's not go overboard here. I use one of those. Is that what I call this? Mm-hmm. Well, you brush them out. Yeah, it feels good. Yeah, I mean, long eyelashes on a guy are very attractive. So, yes.

I wish because Jared's eyelashes. They're the most beautiful thing ever. I think about creating my own eyelash line and calling it the Jared, or at least one style called the Jared, because he's got the most beautiful eyelashes. You should do that. You're a little obsessed. You guys, we are really off topic and weird right now. Let's get back to Jason for a second, and I have a question for both of you.

Jason made a comment to Becca about the future together, and she knew that her future wasn't with him at that point, and it freaked him out. Did you guys experience similar things? Are you both just so astounded that you have no idea what to say? No, I was going to wait for Rachel to respond. I was waiting on business. You know, I think, yes, of course. You know, Ashley, here's the secret. And maybe Rachel, I don't know if you agree or disagree.

Coming from Becca's side, there's more times than not that I'm in that situation, where you're in this process. You're trying to discover these new relationships. You're working through, you know, getting to know the person. you're working through if this person's right for you or not, you might have really strong feelings for somebody else, but yet you know that there's a certain amount of people that you kind of have to keep around. And so you kind of have to tip though around these relationships all the time. I remember, like, sitting in bed at night thinking, okay, like, what's the necessary

evil? Do I get rid of this person? Because I maybe have a strong relationship with them, or I don't have a stronger as a relationship with them, or do I get rid of this person? But yet, there may be a good friend to me and they're easy to be around. Like, even though you might not see a future with them, especially at the beginning, you kind of just keep people around, at least I did, because they're easy to hang out with and they're fun to hang out with. 100%. I mean, I feel like that's what Nick kept me around because I was, we were cool with each other.

That's what I've come to realize as I did my own season. Yeah. They agree with that. But I don't think I told anybody that the same way that Bacca took. Jason. I don't know if I was like that outright with it. Yeah, I mean, I'm wondering Rachel even like hearing from you here, like, Becca was very direct. And I think for me and life, I was never, I had a struggle being very direct in relationships, especially when it comes to breakups with the positive and even when you're

in a relationship and you know it's not the, you know, the conversation is going to break you apart. I could, you know, talk honestly and ultimately. But when it comes to that like breakup moment, I always kind of skirted around it or I had, you know, in college I would do the typical ghosting thing where, you know, you just disappear because that hard conversation, when this show, they're in this process, I became really good at the direct breakup because you have to. You have to allow the person to respect to say, this is why this is no longer working for me. And I felt like that was a good practice to get into. And so I can see where Becca at this point in the process is really prepared. to be that honest and open with Jason? Did you feel that way?

Well, I'm pretty direct naturally, maybe a little too direct. So I found it easier to be that way in the beginning. But as it got towards the end, especially the top three, it was harder for me because I was really trying to be sensitive to their needs. And I feel like when you get to the top three, everybody feels like they could be the one. So I was direct, but I was a lot softer with it, a lot more gentle than I would normally be. How frustrating is it to know who you're going to pick and then still have to entertain other people?

That's hard. I mean, I don't know. When did you know, Rachel? She said that. I knew, I really knew in Geneva, which was week seven, but I didn't say any. thing when I was during hometowns I turned to Brian's producer and I said Brian's the one and I walked away and that's how I said it like I didn't say anything else and I think I just took her by surprise I don't think if she really believed me but I turned her and I said that right after

hometown and I also said I love you in Spanish and then I told the producers that it really means I like you oh my gosh it means I like you Gosh, that's so great, because I was going to ask you when you told the producers that, because that's when I feel like it's real. It's documented. I told my producer after Fantasy Suite. I told his producer at hometown. Hmm. Ben? After Fantasy Suite, you knew. Mm-hmm. I mean, yeah. It was interesting. Mine is different. You know, when I, I think I've heard this on the podcast, but it's

been a while. But, you know, week one, Lauren, like, I might jaw drop. But this show really helped me out because they're like, there's still a lot to get to know about Lauren. There's still a lot to get to know about these other women. And so I was like, you know, when you're on this show, you're always kind of waiting for that next big thing that's going to, like, shock you or surprise you or throw you off. And so I thought the whole time, like, uh-oh, something's going to happen that's going to totally throw my relationship off. I'm not going to like this woman anymore. She's too good to be true. That kind of thing. And the show definitely helped me feel that way to keep me going to the whole process. It was not until, I'm not kidding you, it was not until probably after the fantasy suites that I finally just took a deep breath. And I was like, okay, I've actually got something good here. I was kind of on guard through the whole process, just waiting for that next shocking revelation of, uh-oh, this isn't the person for me. And that never came with Lauren.

Never came. It never came. But it was the one thing that got me through because if not, if that wouldn't have been in the back of my head, there's no way I could have done the whole show. There's no way I could have like perpetuated relationships, continue to know people, continue to converse with people because I would have felt so guilty the whole time knowing that, oh, my future fiance is in this room and I'm dating somebody else. I could have never gotten through it. So it was that idea of something shocking is going to happen that's going to change my mind that kept. me going. Oh, interesting. That is interesting because I have a question for you, actually. So for me, the second date told me everything. That's why I say Geneva. And I'm curious if you thought that. I was actually back and forth until I gave those second dates in Geneva. And when I went on those three one-on-ones, I knew it was shocking for me because I knew everything I needed to know about those three people. And that's what made up my mind. Isn't it crazy two dates and you feel like you know everything? And I mean, I feel like almost do. I think it was the first, that first initial interaction that made me go,

uh-oh, this is something really good. My second date was something that made me feel I don't want to leave this person. But then at that point, too, my heart had started to open up to a couple other relationships. And they had started to form because I allowed it to happen. And so that's when my mind kind of got off balance was I thought I had something really great, but then it had been six weeks in between my first day and my second day with Lauren. And so in that time, I had built other relationships that had kind of maybe caught up to that first interaction with Warren. And so then from that point forward, it was, all right, let's get serious. Let's start really diving into this relationship. Is this real or is it not? But I'm

with you. Yeah, I really felt like after that second date, I knew even more that this was going to end in an engagement for me because that's how much I felt. You guys? Yeah. I don't know how you have strong feelings for multiple people at the same time. Explain this. No, explain this to me. Rachel.

Yeah. Did you? Yeah. I thought I wasn't going to like anyone. And then I found myself really struggling. with, I remember there were six people, and then there were four people, and then there were two people that, like, I had, like, strong feelings for, but I knew, I guess there's a thing, asked the answer to the question.

I had strong feelings for multiple people, but not the strongest. Maybe that's what you felt with more. Like, I knew that there was one that was separated from the other by the time I had finished my date to Geneva, but still strong feelings, but not necessarily a future. I remember thinking several of these people could have been my boyfriend, but that's as far as they went. Okay. I guess I can see that where you can have crushes on a couple people, but know that one person is yours for life. Yeah.

I definitely crush a lot. Okay. Yeah, that boyfriend idea. There's a lip-pink battle song. I, uh, you know, that's, you know, girl, yeah, that girlfriend idea for me. And he was like, yeah, I could definitely date these people, but this isn't my forever person. But the more and more people I talked to, you know, Becca came out publicly and said it. I know Nick had these feelings.

I've known, you know, obviously, obviously Ari had strong feelings from multiple people. The, it happens more and more when you put yourself in this experience. And I think it's because people are so beautifully complex. And this is one of the only environments that you get to explore that complexity while at the same time, knowing that you're on a path to spend a life with somebody possibly. And so you're very much in this, like, romantic, love-stricken mindset. And I can see where you open your heart up enough, magic can happen. I mean, real magic.

And so, yeah, in the real life, maybe, like, it's harder to fall for multiple people. But in this environment, you're opening yourself up. You're hoping you fall for somebody in general. And then all of a sudden you find yourself falling for multiple people. And for me, and I, it was almost a blessing that I felt for multiple people because I was so nervous I wasn't going to fall right in time. Same. Rachel, while you're still on, did Brian watch your season? Every minute.

And he was, and how many fights did that bring on? It really, okay, so I, it really didn't. Brian's ridiculously understanding, you know, he's a bit of a garret. Mm-hmm. So I, after the show was over with, I mean, the day after, I told him everything, everything that I could possibly think of, everything that I thought that would bother him or that he would have a problem with, I told him. Okay, that's the type of person he is. He wants to know absolutely everything, but I kind of was like Ben. I don't think I was going to fall for anybody.

and then when I did, I almost think that that's better because I can say that I paid to you. It's not like you were the only one there. I didn't like anybody, and then there was just you. I truly opened myself up to what could happen, and I still fell in love with you. And I think that that's more special. That's beautiful.

Thank you. I love that. It's true, though. That's a really nice way of looking at it that I think people need to hear. Thanks. Yeah. Ray, you always had, I mean, I think one of the things that you did best was you kept a very cool and collected, you know, mindset through this whole experience.

And even though, you know, you definitely had some great guys at the end, I really felt like Brian could walk off this show confident that you picked the person that you wanted and that you knew you were in love with. And so, as I watched this season, I think that Brian had every right to be, you know, obviously a little jealous at times. He could feel a little insecure. That makes sense. But I really did think you did a good job and something that I did fail at of perpetuating this confidence in him as your partner saying, no, you are the person I want. Well, thank you for that. And I think that you saw that come out in the finale, which is why people were so hard on me because I wasn't. empathetic or even sympathetic to what was going on with Peter because I had a relationship

to protect. And it wasn't bad. It was just kind of like that happened three months ago. In this last three months, I've been building this relationship with my fiance and I want to honor it. And so I'm trying to tell you guys my truth. But it came across a little bit more harsh than I wanted it to. But I was really just trying to protect what I have and be honest about some of the things people didn't see. Because to me, I'd rather, I'd rather you know, protect my fiancé, then keep the image that everybody wanted me to have. So that relationship was more important to me to protect than the one with everyone else. Lindsay, I was going to let you go, but then I thought I'd want to look like to talk about.

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when are you going to change that name? Oh, you know I used to think I'd never change. change my name. And now I'm like, I absolutely would. I'm a new woman here. But brand new woman, this show will change you. Let me tell you. So it'll be Rachel. Ablo? Abislo. Abisolo. Abysolo. Rachel? That's nice. Yes. Yes. Thank goodness. It's a nice last day. Are you so sick of people asking when you're going to do this? Because it's so unbelievable how Jared and I got engaged five weeks ago, and people are constantly asking us if we have a date yet. I'm like, what? We have a general time frame, but an actual date? No, we haven't got a venue shopping

in the past month. Yeah. Oh, no, wait, wait, a couple more weeks and I'll start asking you about babies. Just wait. Ben, did you get the same? Oh, my gosh. Yeah. I think it's just like, I don't think that's unique to the baxter or bachelor. I think that's his life. I hear my friends who get engaged, and as soon as they get engaged, as soon as you really start dating somebody, I think, before the two months, all of a sudden, you know, somebody will you sign and go, all right, when you're getting engaged, great.

So that step happens. You get engaged. And as soon as you get engaged, then the next question, as soon as it happens is, when's the date? You don't have time to breathe. And then, you know, here's the greatest part about it. Once you set your date and then wedding happens, then as Rachel said, then it's babies.

And so it's like there's just never this constant, like there's never a contentment or, and this is why, two years ago, I like to pick a word for every year and like say, like use that word in my life for the year because I feel like that's what God's telling me to do. And two years ago when I was still with Lauren, it was celebrate. My word was celebrate because I felt like it was such a constant grind and a constant what's next that there was never the moment for us to celebrate. And I think as people we need to start celebrating those huge accomplishments. Like, Ashley, you're in love. You found your person. Celebrate that. Like, stop looking for whatever's next. Love it. No, I wish people could just celebrate what we have. And maybe I'll start using that as well.

I'm going to say, as my good friend, Ben Higgins, says, why don't you just celebrate that we found each other and what we have? That's so nice. Hell yes. Because you want to save for the time in between all the logistical planning of a wedding. Yeah, let me enjoy this. I will get to that in another month. No, yeah. So to answer your question, I mean, it's the same thing, but I said, you know, when I went to here before, you know, we would, of course, we would love a televised wedding.

Don't know if that's going to happen or if it, it could be that to take you off because I don't want to wait, you know, another year to get married. So it could be that just a fit in our time frame, too, like you have one for yourself. I'm hoping by the spring, to be honest. I think if it's not on TV, it's going to be a destination wedding. Okay, so it'll be a small wedding that you get probably thrown together in nine months. Or less. Okay.

Or less. Okay. I also want to do it all for me. That's part of the beauty of the show. I don't want to plan it. No, I'm not planning my own. I mean, I doesn't need to be on TV for it to be not planned by me. Right.

Right. So I asked you that because I know what you said two months ago when you were on the show that you know would be open to a televised wedding. Jared and I don't want to rely on that. I don't even think it's very likely at this point. So I'm going to really start planning next month. That's basically my question for you was were you going to hold out for it or were you just going to like really start thinking about it on your own? No, I'm definitely not going to hold out for it. Like I don't want to wait another year to get married.

Right. But at the same time, like, things have just been so crazy. And I know you're going to run into this too, so I haven't even started. I never thought I was planned for a wedding. I thought I was going to a courthouse. I'm a couple degrees of degrees above a courthouse at this point. But I want somebody to do it for me at a destination. So, or at a destination.

That's cute. I like that for you guys. I have started looking at a dress, though. And I've switched over to a dress, a compromise, a nice compromise. I really have started planning that. and narrowing down what country we would want it in if its destination. Would you ever do it in Spain where you guys got engaged? No, I think we've done Spain.

Like, I really like the idea of Colombia because Brian is Colombian and still has family there. So I like that it would have a cultural meaning to it. That's important to me. And most people I know on my side have never been to Columbia, so I think it would be nice for them to go to. I, uh, hey, Rachel, can I, can I offer you something? Please. Generous, the coffee company that I operate, has some incredible coffee farms in Columbia that I would love for you to get married at. Oh my gosh, this is great.

See, put it out there. I can't wait to celebrate at one of these places. Amazing. That's good. I'm good friends also, Rachel, with the Rioja wine people. who did your final episode, and they've been trying to convince me that Spain, okay, so if you ever do go to Spain for your wedding, which I know that you just said, you probably wouldn't, I would love an invite to even be like your photographer so that I could just visit this winery. You have to go, though. Okay, maybe we will. It is actually gorgeous, not as easy to get to, but it is beautiful. You have to. And the people are great. this this wedding talk is really sweet from both of you i think i think this is what our listeners

really want to hear like and i know that we just talked about hey you're always moving forward there's never that contentment but i think our listeners just really want to hey here we go again celebrate with the both of you i get it all the time in my emails and on twitter i our listeners really just want to and i think that's why this show is continue to be successful even is they just really want to see a love story play out to the end. And Rachel, I don't want to put any pressure on you, but I really think that from the moment that you and Brian walked off the show and people saw you in public for the first time,

they thought this is it. This is the love story that's going to play out to the end. I don't want you to dispose too much and not to get too personal, but are people going to be able to see your love story play out at the end? Oh, yeah. Wait, you mean like on TV? No, no, not necessarily on TV just in life, like, and just in life. Yeah, like, I tell people, I'm like, we've been together for 15 months, and at 33 and 38, like, we know.

Yeah. We know at this point. And so you definitely till the end, it's really nice, it's really refreshing. And that's, I feel like we're like, we've been OGs in the game, because we've only been 15 months, and Caitlin and Sean definitely have a feat. But we're just, like, in that time, well, it was the right time. right place for us to mean and it was just it's something I never thought it could happen

so yeah we're definitely the real deal well I'm telling you Rachel we're all happy for you Rachel I know I came on late here I am at an event for generous in Denver and so I'm running around like crazy but I had to talk to you

congratulations on a big win with Lipsing Battle I had a blast you know I am competitive I hate to lose like really really hate to lose, but there was something about lifting battle that I walked away that night. And I said, I just had a really good time. And I'm glad that I got me to beat against you. Way to kill it. Way to make it fun. It was great to meet you there. Rachel, thank you for coming on listening to this podcast. We really appreciate you.

Thank you so much. All over the time, guys. Thanks for letting us ask wedding questions again. That's okay. For you, anything. Thanks. All right. Talk you soon. Bye, guys. I wonder how long Rachel's been sleeping in the same sheets as Brian. I mean, she said that Fantasy Suite was when she knew. So I wonder what led her to that belief. Maybe it was what they were sleeping on.

And if it was what they were sleeping on, I bet they were sleeping on Bull and Branch. Ashley, you're sleeping on Bull and Branch seats now, are you? Definitely. It's the only way I get Jared to sleep with me. Ha, ha, ha, ha, jokes. That's a funny joke. I know. A Bowlin brand makes the softest, most comfortable, 100% organic cotton sheets you will ever sleep on.

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and I know that it's the more and more travel, the harder and harder that will be. That's one thing that's been on my mind, and if I was all, like, as transparent as possible. The other part is friendship. When I'm out of Denver, you know, my friendships don't struggle because they understand, but they're out hiking, they're out camping, they're out doing their thing, and I'm, you know, seeing it on Instagram. That's tough. I've gotten this been some amazing time with my family, which has been really cool.

I do miss my friends, and I miss kind of getting in that routine. So being back in Denver is awesome, and especially this week because I'm able to be down at the Denver Outdoor Retailer, which is the largest outdoor retailer expo in the world, and Generous Coffee is actually one of the coffee vendors. So there's not a many of us. We got chosen as, and there's only a select few. So we're out here just hustling coffee, serving coffee, talking about generous, talking about the fact that you can drink the best coffee in the world while at the same time. making the world a better place. So that's my job this week. We're just running a vendor booth at the Expo, but I love it.

This is really, I think, Ashley, like, this is my passion. I love the podcast, and I hope we could do the podcast for the next 20 years together. Aw, thanks. But Generous really is kind of my passion project, and it's the one thing that keeps me feeling, you know, really, really purposeful in life. So people are out there buying fishing poles and kayaks. and the few girls that are hanging, the few single girls that are hanging around that are going up to the generous coffee stand

and trying to slip their numbers on the receipts? Sometimes, you get a couple numbers out there. You know, it's a good move, and sometimes, you know, get a little of receipts slip to you with a number or maybe a DM or something. Hey, there's potential here, but I'm just looking, you know,

I'm just looking to start to get in that routine where I've even had the ability to open up. to that aspect of my life. If not, I have no time to invest into it. And that's not fair to anybody, including myself. Yeah, that is sad. You really, you don't have enough time to, like, sit down. Jared and I feel the same way.

I know it sounds really weird, but we have very few nights where we can just, like, sit down with a bottle of wine and even binge watch a couple episodes of a show. We're just, we'll get home at 10, 30, 11 some nights from who knows what. And then we fall asleep watching house hunters. And then we'll wake up at one and we're like, okay. We should probably go wash our, you know, brush our teeth and wash our face and go to bed. And it's just, we're like a whole couple days to dedicate to wine and TV and my fiancé.

I get it. Ashley, actually, can I ask you some personal questions? Sure. How often do you and Jared still make out? As much, less, or more than when, you know, you first start dating again? It depends how, like, often we're home. If we're home for a night, then fine. But I guess it was definitely the first month or so. It was more making out than ever.

Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. And then do you feel like your hygiene has picked up now that you're with him? Or have you gotten even more comfortable and just like your own like nastiness? Has my hygiene picked up or, oh, I've gotten, I've gotten too comfortable with nastiness. We make fun of it all the time. It's like, it should be this is hashtag this is 30, but it like feels like hashtag this is 40. Because we were friends and know each other and we have been so comfortable with each other for three years that now we're at this point where it's almost too comfortable sometimes, and I should probably ramp up the romance.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's like a slippery slope. I do think it's important, right? I mean, it's important to continue to keep like some flavor, some mystery, some heat. But you also, you're living in your house. You don't want to have to be on guard all the time. Maybe that's a good, Ashley. I think that's a good question for our listeners.

Any listeners out there, please email Ash and I've been in Ashley at iHeartMedia.com. We want to hear what your thoughts are, you know, maybe what, six months to a year into relationship. What seems to go? What seems to stay? What needs to stay and what needs to go? And how comfortable can you actually get with your partner during that time? Like, what are your beliefs on this? We want to hear it.

We want to learn it. Ashley's going to take notes on it. Yeah, those are good. That's good advice we need. Um, speaking of getting gross together, this week, I tell everybody when I throw up, I'm not really sure why, because it's always so dramatic. It's never just like, oh, whoops, I was at home and then I threw up. We were on our way to a photo shoot. It was our engagement shoot. And I was like, I don't really feel good. And I didn't feel good for like 45 minutes. And then we stopped to get some tums and ginger ale. And as soon as I took a sip of ginger ale, everything started, bubbling even worse than it was and I was like you're going to have to pull over to the shell station because I can't make it I'm not going to make it and then I throw up in the parking lot at the shell station and Jared just sees this like lava coming out of my mouth poor guy has

watched me now throw up violently twice oh that's bad I mean that's too bad for you too it's just so not sexy it's like are you going to kiss me for the next 24 hours if you just saw what came out of my mouth. Did he? Yes. And I'm like, how are you so good? You were so sweet. And he took such good care of me.

He went on two CBS runs. I don't know how I would have done it without him. Actually, I'm going to be honest with you. I think, I don't know of sweetness. I hope that doesn't equal sweetness because it would be hard for me to kick anybody after I've watched them puke. Like at least for, not like right away, but like at least for like a couple days. A couple hours. I know.

A couple hours. Okay, a couple hours. But the fact that he did it right away is, like, it shows first off that he just loves you a lot. Oh, not right away, Ben. Like, no, like a couple hours. Like after I brush my teeth. Oh, fair enough. That works.

Oh, no. No, no. Have you ever thrown up in front of a significant other? Yeah, definitely. I mean, you know, when you live with somebody, I think you can't hide anything and you don't really want to. Like when you're sick, you need help, you know, so I've definitely thrown up in front of a significant other. It's hopefully at that point, it sucks for both parties. Like you feel bad for your partner that they don't feel good and that they're sick.

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Rachel about it. I need to talk to you about it. Ashley, what are you most excited for leading out to the last few weeks of the stats are at? Hmm, we didn't talk about this. I am, well, I'm most excited to see who's going to be the next bachelor but I know we won't get that until September. Celebrate what's happening now. Oh my goodness. I'm looking for what's next. Okay I'm excited

to see just the proposal. And really? Yeah. This sounds weird but I'm kind of excited to see their post interviews because I want to see how they're doing today. I am too. I'm very interested. I don't I still don't know

exactly who she ends up with. I do think her final guys are, seem pretty great. They seem pretty solid. I think the fans really enjoy them. But these last couple months could not have been easy. The one thing that Becca has seemed to do that we were just talking about earlier, she's kind of skirted around controversy when it comes to read the relationships

within the show. I don't see whoever she's with being super jealous watching this season back. What do you think? I don't think so either. Yeah. No. What would you grade Becca to this point on a scale? We did this last year.

We've actually done it for last two years. I think it's about the week we do it usually. What would be your grade for Becca as a bachelorette? Well, I'm going to give Becca a nine because while she's not the most dramatic, she's done a really, really great job picking good guys. once we've gotten down to the end I haven't been like why is he still around

like maybe that's because she has really great guys or maybe it's because she's got a really great picker and she's also been really really sensitive towards them and she's always thinking about their feelings

yeah what about you I mean I think she's done great I do I mean I think she has done about what we thought she'd do she's not super dramatic she's kind of stayed

as the leader the boss of the whole thing without coming down as like, hey, you know, kind of look like seeing like she's like there's a hierarchy or that she's talking down to these people, which happens sometimes on this franchise where the Bachelor or Bachelorette like will talk down to the contestants. And she hasn't done that. You know, the one thing I think that I, you know, as I judge, and I said it a couple weeks ago, I judge a Bachelor or Bachelorette on how they react at a tough situation.

You know, there's always going to be stuff that pops up. And what makes a good bachelor or bachelorette is not if they fall in love or not, because most people will fall for somebody in how do they react to really tough situations. And I think Becca has done a great job at it. In fact, he's maybe done too good of a job at it because there isn't a lot of really dramatic storylines, and there could have been. You know, we have the Colton situation. We had the Garrett situation.

We had early on some of her crazy guys that seemed to always be causing fights and arguments, and she stayed above it and not really made its main storyline of the show. Mm-hmm. So, so true. So she hasn't been, I wouldn't say it's been the most entertaining season of The Bachelorette, but it could be one of the most successful. I would agree. Yeah, it would be surprising to me that if Becca and her guy, whoever it is, don't work out. It would be a surprise to me, like a big shock. And so I think this was set up for her. The other part, and I know you and I have kind of felt this way for the last couple seasons, is I'm into the season. Like, I'm into the storylines. I'm into the people that are there. I'm into who these guys are and who they are to Becca. You know, for the last couple of seasons, I felt very disconnected.

I don't know if that was just because I was getting off a mind and I was too fresh, but I feel pretty connected to this season. I feel, I feel you, actually. I feel like I care about these guys a lot. I don't know. Yeah, I think we do. Hey, one thing that's interesting, I just got an email. Rumor has it.

Some of Becca's guys, though, cause major controversy. on Paradise, which is coming up very soon. One of our favorite times of the year is doing this show when Paradise is happening. And it sounds like this year, Paradise is going to be as crazy and dramatic as ever led by here's what the email saying. I don't know if it's true or not. Leo from Becca season causes some major stir during Paradise. Yeah, really.

I didn't know that he created a stir, but I may hear that Wills may be creating a stir. Who's Will? Wills. Oh, Will. Really? Yeah. That's a surprise to everybody out there because he was, he's one of still the top favorite to be the bachelor.

You think so? I mean, I see it all the time on my Twitter when, you know, Mr. Flights looks out who the next guy is going to be and my name's always tagged. I always see his tag with it. Hmm, interesting. He's a great guy. I met him this week. So you like it.

You would be surprised if he causes a stir. I'm kind of surprised that he causes a stir because he really stayed out of the drama in this season. You know, Wills was like the least dramatic guy this season. He was actually one of the people that Becca would go to when she needed to be drama-free. Yeah, that is a good point.

You know, for a second here, I want to take and kind of not go off topic. I think Wills is definitely a fan favorite. I definitely think it would be surprising if he does cause the drama in Paradise. but Paradise does weird things to a lot of people. You know firsthand. Yes, yes, I did, Ben.

One guy that has stayed above the frame and above approach on every single show he's done in Bachelor franchise is one of my favorite contestants, Michael G. You love Michael G., don't you? Yes, Michael G is, like, so funny. He never gets a lot of airtime, but I feel like he's still a fan favorite. He is a fan favorite.

It's wild that, you know, He doesn't get airtime, but yet people seem to know him. Yeah. Angela, we got an email from one of our listeners named Angela. She definitely knows Michael G. Ashley, listen to this email. I know she makes you happy. She goes, I am interested in a guy that kind of knows I exist, but I've had a bit of a

hard time getting his attention. I am super interested in Michael G. From Bachelor Nation. I know this sounds like a crazy fan, but I promise you, I'm not. I saw him on Winter Games and thought he was super cute and then followed him on social media where he seemed like he had a great personality and made me even more interested. He's also in my city, so I was hoping I could casually bump into him. Then something interesting happened.

I tweeted him once, his last episode of Winter Games aired, and he liked it. Since then, I've tried to follow up to make that a reality and haven't heard anything. If it's possible, I would absolutely love it if you guys could help a girl out. I always catch his tweets about how dating life sucks, and I'm just trying to make his dating life a bit better. Actually, since you always said you wanted your life to be a romantic comedy, I hope you can make mine one as well, Angela. Well, Angela, if you liked one of your tweets, why don't you just add them? Just go at it, Angela. Just make it happen. Yeah, you're not going to get anything from a liked tweet. I get why she loves Michael G. I love Michael G. Michael G is one

my favorite people I've ever met. It's surprising to me that he's still single. He's an attorney. He's incredibly intelligent. He's good-looking. He lives in New York. He's caring and compassionate. Angela, I get it. Go after Michael D. I would totally

support it. Hey, Angela. How about you send a couple pictures and your, like a slight bio to Ben and Ashley at iHeartMedia.com and we'll check it out. Maybe we'll forward it to him.

I'm going to be in New York this weekend. Maybe I can set something up. Also, it's worth mentioning that Michael G., when I had a charity event on Valentine's Day in 2016 in New York City, we did a man auction. And Nick, Nick Viall, went for the highest for a mini date. And somebody bid and spent $5,600 for $8,000 for a $1,600 for a $1,000. a 45-minute mini-date with Nick V. Well, Michael G., having as little airtime as he did, but as a New York City lawyer, a very handsome New York City lawyer,

he went for $5,300. Oh, wow. Isn't that nuts? 45 minutes with Michael. I bet it was worth every penny. So crazy. But yeah, Angela, send us a little email. Let's get your deets.

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