The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Saving Yourself with Chris Harrison

Episode Date: February 25, 2020

Chris Harrison is here as head in to the final weeks of Pilot Pete’s season and we still have no idea how it will end!Chris answers some major questions.  We discuss what Madison’s admission to Peter means for their relationship going forward.Plus, Chris tells us if he’ll ever get married again.  Ben has a huge surprise for an American Idol contestant! And a new segment with an OG begins. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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at the end of the episode but right now I think it's just gonna be me and the best co-host I could possibly have to replace Ben and Ben you are not replaceable

okay let's make that clear you're not replaceable but like if I had to pick another co-hoves it would be this guy Chris Harrison is on the show today yay and then we'll be calling my Bachelor in Paradise

to castmate to Tenley Moles on. I want the update on her relationship, her marriage. And then we have Ben coming on and he's going to surprise a new girl on American Idol. Her name is Megan Fitten. And on the premiere episode of American Idol on Sunday, she talked about how she loved American Idol, how she grew up with it. But her heart and soul is with Ben Higgins. Like she's a huge, huge fan of The Bachelor, and she spent her American Idol audition package talking about Ben Higgins. So that's really cool. So she thinks that she's calling in to talk to, like, Ryan or something?

I think she knows she's going to talk to I-Hart Radio producers. Okay. So I'm going to be that. My name is Mark. And I am an I-Hart Radio producer. Yeah. So I'll pretend to be one of those. Yeah.

So she thinks she's calling in to talk to not Ben. And then we're going to surprise her and be like, you're actually on Ben's podcast. here he is. This is going to be really fun. We got to wait to the end of the episode, which shouldn't be hard because we have Chris Harrison on the line, and he's not just the host of The Bachelor. He also is the host of Volcano Live with Nick Wallanda and ESPN's Sage Steel. He's co-hosting this on March 4th. We're going to talk to him about this before we get into all the Bachelor drama from the season. Hey, Chris. That's how you doing? I'm great. How are you? Awesome. It was good to see you at the

Women Tell All the other night. You made the special little visit. I was honored. It was very fun to be up there. It was actually quite nervous before I got up there. I was like, I'm invading these women's space. I'm like, it's not my time. This is not my hour. And they're going to not like me because of it. I thought you would enjoy it because for the first time, like nothing had to do with you. You could just enjoy the moment. And You weren't going to cry. It wasn't going to be a disaster.

It was just like a happy come visit us. You would think. I loved having you in my office. Thank you. Yeah, you would think. I was like, oh, no. See, usually I'm here talking about myself and I can do that, but I feel bad being here talking about them.

Anyway, it was really fun and I enjoyed it. Let's talk about this volcano lie that you're doing. Yeah. Is this the guy that I was always walking around on the tightrope going like across Niagara Falls and stuff? Yeah. I mean, if you've grown up. You know, probably a little bit older than you.

The Willenda family are unbelievably famous. They're legendary, and it's not just Nick and his wife. It is generations. It goes back, you know, three, four generations of Walindas who are circus people and high wire acts and just feats of amazing stuff. And so Nick Walinda is kind of the latest of the Walindas that does crazy stuff. And you probably remember he did the Crossing the Grand. Canyon. He went across Niagara Falls. His latest big one was going across Times Square from a couple buildings. And so now his newest idea was I'm going to go the furthest and highest I've ever been

across a live active volcano in Nicaragua. And ABC called me, a good friend of mine from Dick Clark Productions, who was at ABC, and this is on ABC. And they called and said, hey, would you want to come to Nicaragua and cover a live event of Nick Willinda walking over a live volcano. And I said, who says no to that? I mean, absolutely. It's so it's like in there. It's in the Walinda blood to be able to walk a tightrope. Yeah. I mean, it really is amazing. If you go back through the family, it is generational. And I met Nick at this last ABC event, this, this Critics Association thing that you've probably been to in the past, but I met him, and, you know, if you've ever seen like the movie Free Solo, and you've realized that guy is a little bit on the spectrum, and he's

a little bit off, and he's a little bit different. I kind of expected Nick and his wife, who, by the way, his wife also just as amazing and does these crazy feats of Daredevil status, and I met him thinking, okay, this guy's probably going to be just a little bit off. And after talking to him, I stop. I said, look, I don't mean to be rude you're such a normal guy you're a real dude we're just talking sports and family and life and he goes yeah it's just it's in my blood Chris I've been doing this since I was in the womb my mom did it and my dad did it and my great-grandfather did it and but they just grew up like this and it really is in their blood and they've always done it and it really is stunning because I think they

we kind of take it for granted how easy they make it look and it sure as heck isn't that's I but I will definitely be watching this on March 4th. It's Wednesday on ABC. Does it start at 8 o'clock? I believe so, yeah. I mean, I'm going to be in Nicaragua, so I have no idea the timing of this. But it is live on ABC and my good friend, Sage Steel, who works at ESPN, and we've worked together before doing Miss America and stuff like that.

She was nice enough to jump on board and join me, and it's going to be wild. Standing on, because apparently where we're standing is going to be right on the edge of this volcano and there is a live lava pool that he'll be walking over with like yeah like literally there's a pool of lava below him with toxic fumes coming up and wind and I mean it's in when you look at the wire that he's on we're talking the width of a couple of wine corks or bottle caps that's what he's walking on that's wild I know the audience is going to be like okay I actually get to the bachelor stuff but one more But, like, one more question.

How hot is that type rope going to be? Well, that is a thing. I mean, you know, they are also phenomenal engineers, and he keeps this in the family. His uncle is one of the engineers and served to the military that puts these together. They're already down there in Nicaragua, putting this together. And that's part of it, too, is just the engineering that it takes to keep this thing stable so he can make it across. And, you know, not to be dramatic or, you know, kind of morose.

about this. His great-grandfather died in 1978, trying to walk across between these two hotels and Puerto Rico. And there is video of it. And I've watched and seen this. And he was, you know, a little bit older and couldn't hold on and went down. And, you know, we all watched it on live TV back in 1978. Oh, my goodness. And so it is a very real thing that this could go horribly wrong, and it's amazing that he will put himself out there to do this. And he doesn't have any sort of restraints? Well, we're not sure about that, actually. So when he did the Grand Canyon, he was not tethered.

When he walked in New York, he had to be tethered according to New York law and, you know, walking across Times Square. Things can obviously still go horribly wrong, even if you're tethered. This walk is still up in the air. He doesn't want to be tethered. He doesn't like it. It actually throws him off a little bit. He's been doing it his whole life untethered and just nothing but that pole that they carry across.

And so it's still up in the air as if ABC is going to allow this to happen. So we'll see. Still up in here. He's fighting for it. We're all fighting for it because that's what he wants to do. All right. Well, you guys, you'll have to watch it. It's going to be insane.

And what's also going to be insane is the rest of this Bachelor. season. Chris, I'm going to kind of go through the episode with you a little bit briefly. I'm not going to really break down the episode with you, but I'm going to go and down the line and talk to talk to you about stuff that I feel like only you could answer. Why are the girls all rooming together this top three? Well, as you know, that is something very different. And I was trying to think historically if we've ever done it in 18 years, and I don't think we have, although the show has changed and evolved in different ways.

I don't know if we've ever done that. But you know, you know as well as anybody, we have to force certain situations at times to force people into an uncomfortable position or to face something that they need to face and that they're not really standing up to. And this was one of those situations where it really centered around Madison. She is saving herself for marriage, which is fantastic, wonderful, if that's your choice. You may know something about that. and but it was this ultimatum although she still doesn't know it's an ultimatum because she says

it's not and Peter even says it's not but when you do you know when you have when you say if you do something this will be the repercussions of that that is an ultimatum pretty much so however you want to define it it was an ultimatum so at any rate she gives Peter this ultimatum and she really hasn't come clean as to all of the details of saving herself for marriage and the whole thing. And this was a situation where I felt like we needed as producers to force a conversation and force a situation that would bring about a resolution because we're getting way too far into this to still have something so huge hanging over them that they're really not dealing with. Normally you guys don't use the word producer. You would very rarely say that's

something that we produced. So, you know what? We do. And, you know, Rachel and I, because she was around the other day, too, we had this conversation because she was a little skeptical, but she also understood. And she was another one, a particular Bachelorette, where I had to really, we had to force some situations. And the show and situations are produced, but not heavy-handed in a way where a lot of

times you think, oh, they're just doing this for drama. They're just doing this for TV. A lot of times it really is to force, you know, a Nick Vial to really start. step up the game and start making some decisions to make Rachel really face some fears to make Madison and Peter really come to terms with what they're really grappling with and maybe they're kind of denying facing this situation and so when push comes to shove we're going to shove and we're going to force this situation and so yeah it was awkward and you know maybe we'll never do it again but in this situation it kind of had to be done okay I can respect that it was a slow

coming out process about it all like I would have thought thought that when she pulls Peter aside after the Rose ceremony and says, hey, like, I would have a hard time if you sleep with other people or if you, you know, other people, if you sleep with anyone. And you'd think. Despite the fact that clearly this entire season was somewhat sexualized and sex positive. I mean, the guy had, you know, very much been announced as a guy who was in a windmill with Hannah for, you know, all night.

But you would have thought that she would have told him she was a verse. at that moment. It would seem so weird that she left that out. It would have been more meaningful. It would have made more sense why she was giving that ultimatum. And that was a reason, one of the reasons we really allowed her to have that time with him after a rose ceremony. Again, that was pretty different as well. After that rose summary to allow just one girl to go talk to him and have that moment. But we thought, hey, she's going to come clean. She's going to tell him she's a virgin. And by the way, she doesn't even, she's not even comfortable with that word, which is, up to you, I guess.

She likes to say she's saving herself for marriage as opposed to being a virgin, but it's, again, semantics. But the point is she didn't come clean. She only gave him really enough information to fail. She never set him up to succeed. And that's kind of what bothered us was he's not getting the whole story and he's being set up to fail here. And we got to kind of step in and help him because we're getting down to crunch time.

Okay. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. And honestly, maybe it could have come out even earlier. I mean, she knew that they had really strong feelings and had a great connection. And she's such a wonderful woman. I really, and I want to make it clear, I don't have any problem, as you very well know. The fact that she was saving herself for marriage, that's fine. I don't even mind the ultimatum. I really don't. If you want to make your stance clear and these are the morals you're standing on, that's your prerogative. I have no problem with that. But if you're not going to share that information, with someone you care about in a timely fashion to where they can use that information to help or succeed, then I don't know. That's where it got a little murky and muddy for me. Of course, I also totally respect the ultimatum. I've been very open about being conservative about sex. How do you feel this is any different from Luke P. telling Hannah that he didn't

want her sleeping with the other guys last season? Well, this, and you got to be really careful. this particular part of the equation, being a virgin, saving yourself, wanting your significant other to kind of follow along in this belief, I have no problem with. And I think that it is identical to Luke P. In that regard. Now, there were other things that happened earlier in the season where I think Luke P was manipulative and maybe misogynistic. And that clouded everything that happen later. But I always said from the beginning, I have no problem with Luke P and his stance on his religion, his faith, and he is wanting, you know, the woman he's going to fall in love with to follow certain guidelines. I think there is a double standard. I think that Madison will be

treated completely differently, but maybe deservedly so to a certain degree because, again, Luke P did cloud things early on with things he was saying and doing, and he really drove everybody crazy. Madison's very beloved. She was liked in the house. But, again, I have no problem with either one of them having these ultimatums or having these strict guidelines that they live by. That is your faith and that's your life. It's totally up to you. You can argue, what are you doing on The Bachelor? What are you doing chasing a guy like Peter who's clearly not that type of person?

You know, there's a lot of those questions that maybe we could raise. But the actual act of standing by your morals, you know, know, it really is a very similar situation to Luke. It really was. And I know people will maybe get a little upset with that, but I think there's going to be a little bit of a double standard. I agree. Completely going to be a double standard. I will say that Luke made it seem like he was slut-shaming Hannah, like he was making her seem less of a person for it. And Madison's more like, these are my morals. Like I would appreciate it if you were to like respect it. It's always about, it's always about optics, isn't it? Yeah. Her work.

was so much better. 100%. And, well, yes, it wasn't. It wasn't. I mean, Luke P was a little misogynistic. And like you said, there was the kind of slut-shaming element that it didn't look good. I'm just saying the bottom line was, I have no problem with his faith. Madison was much more eloquent and articulate.

But then again, she wasn't because her failure was she really never came clean. And she really never gave herself to Peter in that way that, emotionally where he needed to know the truth and to hear all this. And that may have changed the entire direction of Peter's life and the show. Of course, Madison's date this week was the last overnight date. And you guys, you brought producing before, this is obviously a produced move. How do you feel about people saying that this season they feel the producing more than others? Oh, I mean, I guess it's always in the eye.

the beholder and it's up to bats or nation and whatever you feel there isn't anything more this season than we've ever done in the last 18 years is really not um i'm obviously have intimate knowledge of all the decisions we make and what we do there's nothing more this season than prior seasons do you feel it you feel it do you think that the audience is just trying to like they're just so invested and because it's like such a pop culture thing right now to like over analyze the episode like we have all these podcasts this one included dedicated to analyzing the episode for almost as long as the length of the episode do you think that it's that kind of culture that's making people see like okay like this show is not at all scripted but they do put these

people in certain positions oh actually i'm always amazed at the level of i guess passion and and the detail and the things that people, you know, they dive into this show and really break it down. I see and hear things on social media sometimes, and I'll have to go back and actually watch and go, wow, did that really happen? You know, did we miss that edit or did something get, you know, there's things that people will stop and go frame by frame. And, you know, there are times when an editor will put in a shot from God knows when and it won't match up to whatever we were doing.

And, I mean, these people notice everything. Yeah. And I love the fact that it is such a pop culture phenomenon. It's a part of our everyday life now. And it is easily, by far, the most socially relevant and socially impactful show, probably in the history of television, definitely right now. But if you go back, I mean, now it's been on for two decades. And so you could argue in the history of TV, I don't know if anything's ever socially impacted our lives the way The Bachelor has.

because it deals with such a topic that we all relate to it, because it's relationships, it's love, it's sex, it's all these social issues. No other show taps into that. You know, Dancing with the Stars, no, not really at all. You know, American Idol. Well, it's, yeah, I was going to say American Idol was the only one that I could think was like as much of a pop culture phenomenon, but you're right, doesn't deal with social issues. It was a phenomenon and it set records and it changed television in a television way.

but it didn't change our lives right um the bachelor has bled into the way we date the way we talk the way we give roses i mean the way we get married there are it has bled into our real lives and there are shows we appreciate and love and have fun with but nothing has affected our lives the way the bachelor has and that is i find fascinating chris you're making me feel so cool that i was part of it thank you and thank you for of course leading the whole whole thing for about 18 years. How amazing. I know we got a little off topic. I just want to run through the episode real quick. Hannah Ann, I can't connect with her. Can you explain why? Yeah, you know, I've heard people say that one of the problems that they've had with this season is

it's hard to root for anybody and it's hard to really feel a connection with people. And, you know, I think that Hannah Ann has not had that, you know, maybe that was editing and we didn't do a good enough job of letting you connect with these women because she is fantastic. She's a lovely, lovely woman. And, you know, I think that while we can take some of the credit or blame for that, I also think that you have to watch what's about to happen over the next few weeks because, as I said today in an Instagram post, this show really starts now. There's been a lot of ups and downs, but I really feel of all seasons, things really begin

tonight and over the next couple of weeks as it unfolds you will see and I think you'll understand what I mean like this show will do a 180 and I think you're really going to get a lot more vested in these women and I get maybe it's a little late but if you are still willing to dive in and watch

which I know Batchel Nation will I think you'll get it. All right well then let's move on to Victoria F's date she has another moment where she feels like she's at a loss for words talking about her past relationships. What is it up with this girl when she, when she like gets to the, she has like this roadblock. It's like whenever something is about to get to emotional,

she just cuts herself off. Do you think that her past relationships are truly what, what makes this happen? If I could relate anybody to you, it would be Victoria on some levels in that, you know, I remember you vividly having a hard time really expressing your emotions, articulately and really putting those feelings and tears and all that stuff into words. And I think she has a little bit of that problem as well of truly expressing herself. And it was maddening to watch at times, you know, as Peter is trying to pull this out of her because they do have a connection. But, yeah, it was maddening at times to watch them because you just want to say, say words,

please put them in a sentence and make them meaningful. like just please give us something but she just couldn't do it and she was her own worst enemy and I think yeah maybe his prior relationships maybe it's her family who knows what it was in her past but man it sure got the best of her I feel like I'm still that way um even when I get when Jared and I have an argument like I'll just cry and then I'll be like I'm feeling like I know what I'm feeling but it's hard to take like what I'm feeling in my body and like put it into words. So I do relate to her and I do feel like I was a more of a mix of Kelsey and Victoria throughout the season. Well, I am a father of a 16 year old girl, as you know, my tailor. So I too

understand maybe and probably when people say what makes you, you know, a good host and therapist and all that. I said, well, I think, you know, being a dad to a teenage girl definitely helps and, you know, being around this show for 18 years. So I do see that. I see the emotions in my own daughter at times. And I'm like, okay, there's really no true explanation for some of it It's just emotion. And, you know, there's no, hey, what are you trying to say right now? Or tell me how, why. There is no why.

It's just emotion. And it overtakes you sometimes. Exactly. How is your girlfriend, Lauren, when she is upset? Is she very vocal? I feel like she's very good at articulating her feelings. She's pretty good at articulating. She's actually maybe the best communicator I've ever been with.

And she's really good at that. Yeah. And we are both, I think because we're both hosts and we're both so analytical in that way that, yeah, maybe we're too good at expressing ourselves sometimes. Maybe some more mystery needs to be involved. You guys have been together for a year and a half. I know, isn't that crazy? That is crazy. It's really flown by.

It's really flown by. But I guess when you're happy and things are good, it flies by. Last question about your personal life. Would you get married again? Sure. Yeah, I'm definitely not against it. You know, I did it, you know, for a long time. I was married the first time around for, what, 17 or 18 years and had kids and it was more of the traditional route. You know, my life as I'm older now is a lot less traditional. As far as the need for marriage, you know, it's kind of like what you and Jared are going through. It's you get married and you want to have babies. It's kind of that traditional route. Well, I've done that. I've already been there. So I don't have that desire to like, oh, my, God, I've got to get married so I can have babies and create this family. Now I just want to be happy. I want people in my life, including, you know, LZ and people that surround me that just

make me happy and that I love dearly. And so if that leads to marriage someday, great. It's just, you know, it's not the goal and it's not the end all, be all. It used to be what I was, you know, 20, 21 years old. All right. Can you tell everybody about your tropical rosé? It's got passion fruit, dragon fruit, and rosé flavors. And it sounds like it's going to.

to be the new drink of paradise and the official drink of everybody's bachelor watch parties on Monday. And also included are the tears of Ashley I. Thank you. That's really the secret ingredient. I couldn't announce it until now, but it's, it is touch of rosé, passion fruit, dragon fruit, and tears of Ashley I. Oh my goodness. Is there a Kelsey variety? That would be amazing. No, this is actually something I've been working on for about a year with Seagram's Escapes. and this amazing collaboration. I went to Chicago, created the taste myself, and went through it, created the packaging and the look and the color,

and it is awesome. And it's finally hitting the store shelves now, and it'll continue to roll out kind of over the next month where it'll hit all of the big stores across the country. But I am so fired up. It is so good. And the best part about it, everyone I'm giving it to that have tasted it, that's the first thing.

I'm like, wow, I really love this. And it's only 100 calories. I know. It's such a low calorie drink. That's amazing. And I would be so surprised if roses in rosé, you know, Lauren Zima's ET recap, doesn't become roses and tropical rosé. I don't want to have a spoiler alert, but you may or may not see this on this week's roses and rosé. Okay, amazing.

So we'll be looking out. We'll be looking out for your face, which is on the box. at the grocery store or the liquor store to get our tropical rosé Yeah, I know these drinks are so popular right now But I'm telling you, I've tried them all And the one we created is unbelievable I think people are going to love it

I know you said tastes like my tears But does it also taste like Paradise? It does taste a little bit like Paradise I think it goes perfect with your favorite Monday Night show For sure. Okay, I'm not done asking you questions about your relationship. How did you go from her interviewing you because she's just like the Bachelor Beat reporter there at ET to dating.

Like where did that cross over? Did you ask her out? We did. Well, kind of yes and no, everything. You know, there was a little, you know, I was, when I do interviews and maybe just like you do, you just kind of go blank and you just put a wall up and you're just doing their job. And so I'd never really actually noticed her for the couple of years she'd been interviewing me. But there was one time when we had this great conversation, it was actually

during the tell-all. I think it was Becca season. And we just ran into each other in the parking lot. I was sitting outside drinking my tea, as I usually do. And she came up, and we had a pretty in-depth conversation, but it was more personal. And it was, you know, we didn't have microphones or cameras, and we were just talking. And it was really the first time I noticed her and thought, wow, this girl is, she's bright, she's smart, she's quick, she's funny, and she's really cute. And so that led to, she slid into my DMs and just said, whatever, about our conversation. I asked her out. That's so cute. You guys on paper are so compatible. That wit that you both have. I feel like you can go back and forth with words. Okay. She's, it is pretty amazing. And, you know, we both were a little reluctant because of her job and covering the show. But I mean, it's not like she's covering the White House that, you know, she's an amazing journalist and she does a phenomenal job and still does. But she also does a million other things, you know, on top of The Bachelor. That's just a small part of what she does.

And I love that she is a part of The Bachelor, and I love hearing her take on things. You know, I don't share a lot about the show with her. And so I like, I get to hear from not only a fan, but a really good journalist of things we are doing right. Maybe things we're doing wrong. She has a great perspective of, and it's been interesting to have that part of her as well. How do you not share with her the ending? Like, she's truly unspoiled the entire time. Yeah.

I know some people think, oh, well, she knows everything. I don't tell anybody. Conflict of interest. My kids don't know. I just, I've, I've been doing this for 18 years, and it's very simple. I just don't tell anybody. And I've always had that rule of, if you just clearly have this rule of nobody knows anything, then you don't have to worry.

And you're never going to get tripped up, and you're never going to screw up. And so, and honestly, she tells me I don't want to know. She likes to approach it by watching the episodes and covering it from a journalistic standpoint. And she tells me that it. it would kind of ruin it if I told her everything, she would approach her job differently and she wouldn't have these great analytical insights and perspective of someone who's watching it along

with the rest of the world. And so for those reasons, we just, you know, that's just something we don't talk about. I mean, you know, I'll share things about the show about my life personally working, but when it comes to spoilers, she didn't want to know. That's awesome. I do feel like you do a better job reporting on the show

when you don't know anything. That's why this season has been so much fun because it is apparently spoiler-free. And now that we are here, you know, two weeks to go, I can, I'm surprised it's still spoiler-free. I'm surprised as well. So that means that there is a conclusion. Is there a conclusion?

Is it that way? Great. You know, oh, either way, there's going to be a conclusion, good, bad, or ugly. But, you know, we'll see. I mean, obviously, there's been spoilers before. There hasn't. And, you know, look, I never get mad if people talk about the show, and a lot of the show is public now, you know, and even you have 300 people at the tell-all the other night, and you can go online and read who talks at the tell-all and all that. Now, I wish people wouldn't do that.

It's disappointing that people wake up in the morning or people live their life to try and spoil other people's work. I mean, there are thousands of people that work on this show, and it is their livelihood. And the fact that someone would actually live their life to ruin that, to try and put them out of business or screw up what they're doing is, it's, I don't know, I guess it just never ceases to amaze me that there's people in this world that are like that. But there are, you know, in any walk of life, there's just shitty people who they live to crap on what other people are doing. And, you know, whether you create a new show or you create some art and someone will be the first to say, oh, you suck or the show's terrible or I hate, you know, they just want to crap on. ungood and they want to crap on people's work and their creativity but that's that's where we live in do you know that of all the seasons that we've been doing this podcast which we're almost up to three years every season that i have been spoiled by has been from a fan commenting under my

instagram or tweeting at me the ending and never me trying to seek out the ending because there's people there's people that just i guess information makes people feel powerful and it makes it feel like they have worth. And by the way, if that's how you get yourself worth, I would urge you to find something better. But, you know, whatever gets you through the day, at the end of the day, it doesn't ruin our franchise, it clearly, and it doesn't ruin our ratings. I think you need to watch. And I also know that anything on social media, any spoilers, it is such a minority. So very few people actually hear or read any of that garbage. So at the end of the day, most people are just watching the show

for entertainment and escapism and so hopefully it remains that for those people gotcha what about all the flack that you guys have been getting about age do you think that you're going to try to get an older bachelor at next season to bring the age up because I feel like a lot of Bachelor Nation is blaming some of the catty drama

and the lack of emphasis on a love story on age yeah I think that you know look we always The show will always ebb and flow and the pendulum will swing in a lot of ways, but we always sit back and reflect on, okay, what worked, what didn't, what needs to change. And I think the age definitely will be something we look at. And it's something that I think you have to pay attention to,

where are these people in their life. And a lot of that's casting as well. You know, our casting department does a great job. And sometimes it's just a matter of who was in the pool at the time that we felt was good. and then all of a sudden, you know, maybe we didn't look at, oh, wait, all of them are a lot younger than we normally have. We don't have that great diversity as far as age because we worry about so many other things as well now. So it's not as easy as, hey, let's just make them older because we also want really good people that are, you know, in line with what we're trying to do. So, but yeah, I, you know, the short answer is, yeah, we'll definitely pay more attention to it.

I think you'll see probably an older skewing group of men and women as we head forward. It has been an honor. Thank you so much for talking with us. You spilled a lot of tea. You really did. Did I really? I think so. I think there's a couple of headlines in there.

Oh, boy. That's great. I think it's mostly about you and Lauren. That's the problem is now I'm going to wake up tomorrow and I see these headlines. I'm like, damn it, why did I ever talk to Ashley? I love you. Thank you so much. We'll see you soon.

Sounds good. I'll talk you later. Bye. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot.

He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other. But I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating.

He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Eumanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.

If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psycho babble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now.

Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this. Attention passengers. The pilot is having an emergency and we need someone, anyone, to land this plane. Think you could do it? It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that they could land the plane with the help of air traffic control. And they're saying like, okay, pull this, do this, pull that, turn this. It's just, I can do my eyes close. I'm Manny.

I'm Noah. This is Devon. And on our new show, No Such Thing, we get to the bottom of questions like these. Join us as we talk to the leading expert on overconfidence. Those who lack expertise lack the expertise they need to recognize that they lack expertise. And then, as we try the whole thing out for real. Wait, what? Oh, that's the run right.

I'm looking at this thing. Listen to No Such Thing on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth? Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced. He said, you are a number, a New York State number, and we own you. Shock incarceration, also known as boot camps, are short-term, highly regimented correctional programs that mimic military basic training.

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or wherever you get your podcast. The Super Secret Bestie Club podcast season four is here. And we're locked in. That means more juicy cheesement. Terrible love advice. Evil spells to cast on your ex. No, no, no, no. We're not doing that this season.

Oh. Well, this season, we're leveling up. Each episode will feature a special bestie, and you're not going to want to miss it. Get in here. Today we have a very special guest with us. Our new Super Secret Bestie is the deep. of the people.

The div of the people. I'm just like text your ex. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot, go and touch it. Go and figure it out for yourself. Okay. That's us. That's us. My name is Curley.

And I'm Maya. In each episode, we'll talk about love, friendship, heart breaks, men, and of course, our favorite secrets. Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club as a part of the Michael Thura podcast network available on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Before we get telling me on the line, I have three Bachelor headlines this week. Bachelor in Paradise is Demi Burnett is kissing a new guy.

His name is Slater. You know, she broke up with Christian Haggerty in October. And now she is kissing a new guy on our Instagram, celebrating her birthday with him. I guess they've been dating for a while. And I guess this means that Demi will not be our next Bachelorette. Bachelor Nations Hannah Godwin and Dylan Barber reveal their secrets to love after Paradise. The couple says, I think we just effortlessly kind of care for one another, Hannah says. I feel like we don't really have arguments and we're like, okay, if you're struggling right now, let's talk through it.

Or I don't agree with this, but this is where my head's at. We're both not argumentative people in general, so it works nicely. for a relationship because they're both very open-minded when it comes to different perspectives. Dylan also says, we're comfortable with what we do and the need to be in front of everything all the time isn't there. We don't really care. I think he's talking about press, media, the spotlight right there. All right. Well, they just had their engagement party two nights ago. And I don't know if that means that the wedding is starting to be planned or they're just celebrating their engagement from June. But we are very happy that Hannah and Dylan are going strong.

And then we have another, oh, I should have talked to Chris about this. He apparently just trolled everyone with a pick of Peter Weber and his producer, Julie Polaka, who is the woman that all those crazy internet rumors and a rumor that Ben and I believed at one point are about. Julie was his producer, his main producer throughout the entire season. And Harrison posted this picture. You can go to his Instagram to see it. It's them in an airport. And Julie is right behind Peter. And he says, no and nothing in life but to be legit.

New album cover came out great. So basically they're pretending to be like a rap fan. I don't know how that's trolling everybody with the pick of Julie. It's a picture of the production team. How is this trolling? You guys, stop looking into everything so crazy, okay? You guys are looking into everything. He's not trolling.

He's just taking, she's showing a picture. Julie, he doesn't end up with Julie, okay? It's not going to happen. All right, let's get Tenley on the line. Deep Thoughts from a Bachelor OG. Tenly Moles on. Hello. Hi, it's so good to hear you.

Have you changed your name yet? Yes, I have. So I'm Tenley Leopold, but Instagram won't let me change it. Really? Yes, isn't that crazy? That is. You and Taylor have been married for almost two years now. Correct.

Are you? So good, Ash. Is it still so good? It's awesome. We're having a great time to, but I don't know where two years is gone. That's the craziest. We've just celebrated living in our house that we bought last year, one year in here. And so everything is so good.

That's awesome. Can you tell everybody about what you told me of what a whimsical attachment is in paradise because i brought up that to the girls at women tell all this week i was like maybe peter was your whimsical attachment which means that you have to go on and find somebody else who taught like he taught you what you need to go find in another man you explain it better i love that you still remember it no i think that it stuck with you in like the really really good way but i was so wrong you were wrong telling you that about darren that i so badly i i I just have to go back before I explain it because I was so wrong and I'm so glad I was wrong.

But I think in the moment, like, he was what your heart was supposed to be fixated on. But you were, you were meant to both of you go grow and do your own thing so that you could be what you are today. So congratulations on all of that and everything. But now the whimsical attachment. Yeah. So I myself had been fixated on, you know, signs or like little things. they're like, this is it, this is everything, and had a really hard time getting over a guy because I just thought, but he was everything.

He was everything I had been praying for. He's everything I thought that I should have. But, I mean, he really wasn't now in hindsight, but I just couldn't let go. But I was learning so much from this person. And then it happened again, like another really great guy came along. And I was like, okay, you're everything and more than that guy and thought I got to let go or I couldn't let go. But then when I realized this is just a whimsical attachment, like I'm just like whimsically fat or like I'm in love with the idea of this person versus like really like he's not my person, but I'm in love with the idea of it. but it's just always going to get greater from there.

Like I said about you and Jared, I was wrong. But it got greater from there because you both were meant to have like that growth time and really come together and learn like that you were meant for each other. So. Yeah. So basically you find qualities in somebody that you never thought you wanted. And then you learn from that person to go find that quality in somebody else. Anyway, you guys, I thought that.

I would just, you know, bring that up with Tenley because it meant a lot to me at the time. And I feel like it could mean a lot to you girls out there who are single or with a guy that you think like you want to be with, but he's not showing signs and he wants to be with you or whatnot, what, whatnot, you know what I mean. Yeah, just go ahead and put your heart into those qualities as for sure, like setting your standards and then not backing down once you've met some because I really do believe there's always something greater than you can imagine. So if it's not in the moment, it could very well be later on or just somebody very different that is even better for you. So hang on to that hope. So you guys, Tenley was on Jake Pelvacca season. What year? Was that 2009?

Ten? Well, that's when we filmed, but 2010. So it's been like a decade. Wow. And the original pilot season. Yes. The pilot season, but the original of the pilot. between Peter and Jake.

Yeah. You were runner up. You also did Bachelor Pad, and then my season, Bachelor in Paradise, too. How do you feel like the show has evolved since your time on it? Well, obviously, I don't know. I always hear you guys talking about how, like, Crystal season, the season you were on was like the year you all came out and, like, had really great luck and response from social media.

And I agree with that. But it's weird because I think it kind of like subtly was beginning back in 2010. Like I feel like I've been so grateful to be working kind of on the side with through Twitter and stuff and growing into Instagram. But it's different. And I do think that that has become a greater, a greater difference for sure over the last 10 years of what somebody can get out of the show, the recognition, the job. the jobs that insta-famous or whatever you want to call it. So that is absolutely different. And I think it's hard to totally, like it's hard for us as viewers to even see that genuine

pull because we're all very aware of what can happen. And then the storytelling is just different. I think we always forget that we do get a lot of the drama up front and then you start to get to know the couple or the potential of the couple and some of the girls a little bit closer. But I feel like this year especially has been really hard to see any bit of investment between Peter and the girls. And I, and then some of me, some of that is I wonder if it has to do with the genuine like approach to these people being a part of the show. Does that make sense? Yeah. Oh, it makes total sense. I feel like all of us are pretty attached and

and see what he has with Madison. I actually even think that we see what he has with Victoria, which is like a frenzy. I don't understand. I mean, we see it, though. We see that there's something. There's a connection. There's like an intense pull towards each other to work it out, you know?

But I, he's almost attracted to drama, right? Yeah. Or he loves the conflict. He almost likes conflict in a relationship because it keeps it interesting. He even admits to. that. But I really, and I'm not, this is nothing against Hannah and herself. I truly am not even, I'm not feeling their connection at all. Are you feeling it? No, no, no, no. Yeah, no, not at all.

I feel like she's, she's, she's kind of, she's definitely, she's so beautiful. She's so sweet, but I just feel like it's stale. I feel like even their, um, their, they're, before the fantasy suite, dinner portion, by the way, just pointing out, you probably noticed it. Madison had this big old, beautiful dinner set up. And both Victoria and Hannah-Han, it was like, no plates on the table, no drinks, and like, let's get to the bedroom or like, let's cut the budget here. I don't know. But anyway, Hannah-Anne just looked so there was like this anxiousness. There was this, like, it just wasn't, it wasn't easy. I know that you are a very faithful woman. How do you feel that Madison is handling

the no sex before marriage ultimatum, was there calling it? Okay, I have so much to say about this, so please cut me off or jump in or whatever, and I'll try to be quick. No, no, no, no, no, roll with it. Okay, we'll see where it goes. I've been thinking about it a lot, but one, I feel like she kind of lost her confidence

with Peter because she wasn't necessarily straight up with telling him that she like she wasn't straight up she didn't come out and say hey I'm waiting for marriage yo girl we had Harrison on before you came on and he said the same thing he was like we were like okay yeah this is your time go talk to him after the row ceremony tell him everything and she didn't tell him that and that was so critical to be honest so critical I mean I don't want to I don't want to say that Peter messed up here he should never have to assume anything but if I were him, I would have been like, okay, she's 23. She's expressed her faith. She's talking about me

about this. I would put the things together and be like, she's probably a virgin. And I would probably ask. Right. But maybe he, I mean, because Hannah, like, was a woman of faith, but had no problem. And, you know, like, so I feel like it's really, so yeah, so first of all, she lost her confidence and just didn't tell him. And I think that would have been so much easier for him to understand her heart. And really, as I was watching, because I don't think it's an ultimatum that she's offering, which, so they can keep calling at that. But I think more of what she was thinking is, dude, if you, if I'm your girl, then you're not going to have a problem not having sex with these other women because that's how her mind

thinks. That's how my mind would think. Yes. Well, so with the whole like Luke and Hannah, we do not need to talk about that. Yeah. But as I was watching that back last year, I was like, I never asked Jake, like, if he was having sex with other people in the Tennessee suite. Because with the conversations we had alone, I was led to believe that we were completely in sync with the way that we thought, the way that our faith was.

And that was just what Jake had shared with me. And so I assumed that we were going to be on the same page. And I never even brought it up. I never said, sorry, having sex with the energy or whatever. And never even thought to think about it. And then later when I watched the show, I'm like, I'm glad I didn't end up with this guy because it was different. but like I think Luke and Hannah that the conversation didn't go well but I get why he asked and I feel like Madison was just trying to say hey like so these are my personal standards I would love it if you if I'm your girl you don't need anybody else you don't need to test the waters if that's what you're doing you don't need a fun romp like with these other girls because I'm your girl based on the conversation that he has during the dinner point. of their fantasy sweet date, which we don't know what it leads to because it gets cut off at dinner in this episode.

Yeah. But during that conversation, he makes it seem like he really wasn't sure who he was going to pick. And that's why he decided to go with it. So. Wait, you think that? Yeah. You think that he just thought it was going to be a fun, a fun time? Like his last hurrah.

I don't know. I watched it with my husband and who has the same values as me. like and going into marriage and everything and he was like oh he just he missed it he did he wasn't he wasn't thinking about Madison he but it wasn't that he was thinking this is just what we thought like that it wasn't that he was confused about who he was choosing it seems like he adores Madison you can kind of tell in that like with the whole setup like her dinner was candle lit and they did everything for the table they made it it looks so special and the other girls really didn't have that and so you just kind of

feel led to believe that he's pretty into Madison she's the one and that he he just kind of was going for it because that's what you do in the fantasy suites and the other girls didn't have those boundaries so why not like I feel like you just kind of got lost in the moment as I think it's really easy to do if you if that's just not if that's how you will no you're right Okay. When Jared and I were watching it, he was like, oh, dude, why could you not just keep it in your pants the other two dates? Right.

But then how could he not? Like, how, I'm just, I'm thinking that the only way he, he did that and didn't keep it in his pants is because he really was confused and didn't know who he's going to pick. But if he really just totally disregarded what she asked him, then I'm mind boggled. Mind boggled. Yeah. But, but I don't feel like she really, I don't think she gave him. that's the other thing. I feel like it falls into Madison and her losing her confidence in front of him in what not saying, hey, I'm waiting. I'm saving myself for marriage in that moment at the hangar after the rose ceremony when she had that open door to say, hey, these are my standards. This is where I'm at. I haven't, I am a virgin and I don't necessarily have these expectations of you, but I think that if we were, but this is what you should know. And he would have had a completely different perspective going into the fantasy suite date with,

the other girls. I think he, I really think he would have been thinking more of Madison in that way versus, uh, she just doesn't want me to do it with these other girls, which totally makes sense. No girl wants that. No girl wants to be back to back like in any way. And so I do feel like she kind of missed that door. Fatal flaw, not telling him she was a virgin up front. All right, Tenley, thank you so much for all your thoughts and for coming on the podcast. We really appreciate appreciate you. Talk to you soon. I'll talk to you soon. Thank you. Bye. All right, guys. Let's take a break. And then we're going to surprise the American Idol contestant. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious.

Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other But I just want her gone Now hold up, isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate

Well according to this person This is her boyfriend's former professor And they're the same age And it's even more likely that they're cheating He insists there's nothing between them I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him Because he now wants them both to meet

So do we find out if this person's boyfriend Really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale Listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Emanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips.

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This is Devon. And on our new show, No Such Thing, we get to the bottom of questions like these. Join us as we talk to the leading expert on overconfidence. Those who lack expertise lack the expertise they need to recognize that they lack expertise. And then, as we try the whole thing out for real. Wait, what? Oh, that's the run right. I'm looking at this thing.

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Before we surprised as Idol contestant, I want you guys to get some context. So Mark is going to play the clip of Ryan Seacrest talking to Megan and her expressing her love for Ben Higgins. Did you like Peter the Pilot? Who did you like? I love Peter the Pilot. I'm excited for him, but Ben Higgins is my favorite. For sure. Ben Higgins is dreamy.

Born to be The Bachelor. Oh, the cross promotion. ABC loves it. All right, should we get her on the phone? And Mark, are you ready? I'm ready, and she's on hold, but we have to have been on hold. So we've got to wait and get all of our ducks in a row. So I'm going to say, how do you like this, Ashley?

I'll say hi. I'm with I Heart Radio. It's nice to meet you. Congratulations on going to Hollywood. That's great. Oh, you know what? Before I ask you any questions, there is somebody on the line who wants to talk to you. Okay.

Okay, that'll be good, right? Yeah. Okay, here we go. Hi, Megan. Hi, Megan. It's Mark with I Heart Radio. How are you? Good, how are you?

Good, thank you. I'm so sorry to keep you on hold there for a few minutes. Do you have a second here? Yeah, of course. Okay, great. We have a few questions for you. But you know what? Actually, before I ask you any questions,

there's somebody else here who wants to say hi to you. Okay. Hey, Megan, it's Ben here. How you doing? Wait. No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, my God, what? How you doing, Megan?

Congratulations on everything. I'm super pumped to be talking to you. You don't understand my heart rate just elevated so much. This is a joke, right? Oh, my God. This is definitely not a joke. I would recognize her voice anywhere. Megan, you are on the Ben and Ashley, almost famous podcast.

No one. Oh, my God. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. You are joking. Oh, my God. Oh, Ben. We are a huge fan. of you. You have blown up the airways.

Oh, my God. Oh, of course. I have gotten so many videos sent to me. Ashley and I were so excited to talk to you today. Congratulations on everything so far. We had to get you on the podcast, Megan, because I'm not kidding. I've gotten more text and more emails and more messages in the last 24 hours than any other time in my life. Oh, my, I'm, guys, I'm speechless, and that does not happen to me. Oh my God. Well, I'm so glad that you saw the cliff. Clearly, I'm a big fan of both of you.

Aw, thank you. Yeah, I'm sorry, Ashley, that you didn't get a little montage within my... It's okay. I loved watching the Ben stuff. Oh, my God. This is crazy. So what do you think about this season? You want to give us a little bit of your thoughts?

Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. I'm waiting for some girl to come through for me because I'm not crazy about anyone right now. If I'm going to pull for anyone, it's going to be Madison. But I'm honestly up for some Hannah B drama. You want her to enter now? I want her to enter. I wanted her to enter from the star. I wanted her to go back in the house. Hannah B is my favorite Bachelorette. And I love her. And I thought Peter was going to win last season. And then when he didn't, I was really surprised. I think she regrets it. I think he does, too.

I think she does. Megan, we got to ask you, though. I mean, so you have your own podcast. Give it a little shout out here on the Almost Famous Podcast. But then also, if you really believe that Hannah B could step up and be the Bats right again, can you give her a sales pitch? Because at this point, I believe that. the beginning of the season, I'm not believing it anymore that she is the best choice

for Bachelorette. Who do you think is the best choice? I mean, if Maddie doesn't get chosen, I think it has to be Maddie. If Maddie does get chosen, then I think we're reaching back into like the Tatia's, Tia's, that world. Oh, I would love Pia. Oh, I was such a big fan of hers. But yeah, that's definitely a good, good choices, good choices. I don't know. I think Hannaby, she's just, like, been through it. And I want her to, I want her to rise up. I want, like, a love story for her. So you do want her to be the Bachelorette again?

Well, that would be, like, my sales pitch. Okay, except for I don't think she's going to be. You know why? Because she added more dates to her dancing with the Starz Tour. Oh. And it would happen during the filming. Yeah, I don't think so either. I mean, here's the thing, though, and I think we're touching on something that most people we talk to are feeling,

including Ashley and I, we had high hopes for Peter. I still like Peter. Ashley still likes Peter as a person, but this season is just kind of missed it for us. Like there's been very little attachment to it. Are you feeling that way? Yes, definitely feeling that way. I still, I had really high hopes for Peter. To be honest, Ben, I saw a lot of qualities that you possess in Peter.

So I was excited for him. I was like, all right, he's going to step up to the plate. But it's been a little different. He's made some questionable choices, which I know you guys have talked about on the podcast. So it's been a little different. I'm not attached to any girls like I usually am in the season. So I'm really interested to find out, especially tonight.

Chris Harrison made an interesting post that tonight's when like the real story starts. So he just told us on the podcast. yeah so i'm very interested to see what goes down in this top three um and yeah and what unfolds there's just like colton season there's going to be a bomb dropped at the very end and i have no idea what's going to happen well megan uh i know you live in brooklyn new york uh do me a favor if if you have the chance please come say hi to me when we come through town for the bachelor live on After this call, I'll have somebody from my heart reach out and get you some tickets. And then please come say hi and hang out with me before the show.

Is that okay? That would make all of my dreams come true. I would be that. I would absolutely love it. It would be a blast. Megan, before we go, please promote anything you're a part of right now, including American Idol and also your podcast. Tell our listeners where they can find you. Yeah, sure.

So my podcast, that's a very generous word to call it. I just call them a little recap. They're on my SoundCloud under, I watch The Bachelor and you don't care. That is the name of it. See little recap by Megan. And then I'm currently, yes, in Brooklyn. And just gigging around, I'm actually releasing an EP a month from today, March 24th. It's called All Over the Place.

So check that out. It'll be on Spotify and all of the streaming services. But just keep up with me through my Instagram, which is Megan Fitton, M-E-G-H-N, Megan, and F-N-F-N-I-T-T-O-N. Awesome. Thanks, Megan. Well, hey, Ashley and I love American Idol. We're a big fan of you, Megan. Oh, my gosh, Megan.

I should tell you before you leave. I used to have Heart Idol on my license. plate. Oh, my God. Oh, no. I was obsessed. I used to paint my car every finale with who I voted for. And I would say vote.

Like, for example, I can see in my head. I was like, vote Blake, even though I love Jordan Sparks, too. It was vote Blake, and then I had the number to dial to vote. And now I record in Ryan's Secret Studio. It's very cool. Ashley, this is the most Ashley thing I've ever heard. I was just going to say it sounds pretty on brand. And I don't know you personally, but it sounds pretty Ashley I'd meet.

Thank you. It is very true to me. Oh, this is fantastic. Hey, Megan, thank you for being a guest in the almost famous podcast. We appreciate you. We're rooting for you. And please, please, please come see The Bachelor Live on stage when we come through New York. I will be there.

And thank you for literally the best surprise of my life. I don't know what's going to top this, to be honest. You're very sweet. Thanks, Megan. Hey, Ben. All right, bye. Ben, while we still have you on the line, I just want to ask you how the past week has been for you. Wild, Ashley.

We've had a big week. We've gone through. Just listen to this. So in the last eight days, we've been in Mesa, Reno, Santa Rosa, San Jose, Salt Lake City, Modesto, Chian, and Denver. And now I find myself in Tucson, Arizona. Oh, my gosh. I don't know if you heard this or not. I'll send you a video here in a second, but in Salt Lake City, I was on stage, and during

one of the dancing numbers, I went and stepped in my knee completely dislocated from a socket in two different places on stage, and I had to hobble off, pop it back in. I'll show you the video. No. It is nasty. You popped it back in yourself, your knee? That sounds like something that a doctor would need to handle. It was pretty gross, but hey, the show must go on.

are having a good time here on the road but we are definitely on the road I did not expect I mean yeah we've been up and down this country already but we're having a great a great time bachelor nation has responded really well but it's a lot of work hey but I'm happy to be talking to you

Ashley continue just to carry this podcast because I appreciate it you know you sound just fine now it could have had you on the entire episode I know I know we could but yeah what a fun time talking to Megan I got the notes on the rundown with Chris what an interview that's some that's some juicy stuff and and Ashley yeah I'm just really proud of you oh thank you I'm proud of you I mean I just don't know how you're doing

what you're doing I'm just going to be mind-boggled buy it forever you're the best ash well hey is this the end of the podcast now yeah it is so we can sign off the way we normally would. This feels nice. I needed this this week, Ashley. I needed to hear your voice. I have another co-host on stage, but Ashley,

you were my first co-host, and I missed your voice. So with that, I've been Ben. I've been Ashley. Bye, guys. Been too much. Follow the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcasts on IHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.

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