The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Second Chances with Jess Girod

Episode Date: December 15, 2023

Ben and Ashley finally get to hang with one of their favorite contestants from Paradise this season, Jess Girod! We break the news to her that she have had a missed opportunity with Tanner, but Jess sets the record straight! Plus, find out what’s REALLY going on between Jess and Blake!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Well, because she's one of our favorites. We, in a free agency draft, Ashley and myself would have drafted her first to be in Paradise. Oh, wow. Thanks, guys. And then she'd be. Yeah. She became very sought after in paradise, even if she knew it or not. Jess, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast.

Hi, guys. Thanks for having me. Hi, of course. We love having you. And I'd have to say that you probably were the most sought after woman. I don't think there was one guy there that wasn't like, yeah, I'd like to get to know Jess better. Thanks. Yeah, I don't know.

It was definitely an interesting new environment. But I'm glad that I went and everyone was very nice. they were very nice to you let's be honest like you had to walk out of there with no matter what at least your confidence being built a little bit right yeah i mean yes and no i mean i think just like as i get older you know that's something i'm working on but i'm glad in general i walked out of there no like burnt bridges or anything um and just you know stay out of the drama kept to myself I'll just continue to work on myself. It's the best thing that you can really like learn from that and take from that.

Based on what she just said, we just got to start this thing out with what we committed to doing yesterday. Okay. But I was going to make it more subtle. Oh, no. I don't think there's any subtleness. Oh, okay. Yesterday, we had an interview with Tanner.

It was a great interview. And he just mentioned kind of, Ashley, kind of clarify the adjectives I'm going to use here. He just mentioned he was saddened, disappointed, that he didn't get a better first impression with you, that he would really have liked the second chance with you, that he is still open to a chance with you. And then we ask, can we tell just this and try to make this happen or at least bring it to her attention?

And he said, yes, you can. She looks genuinely happy, I think. I mean, that's really, I think that's really sweet. He's a really nice guy. I'm like, you know, although like, I think my time at Paradise was it maybe the most fun I've ever had in my life. It was, he was a good person to end the experience with. He was so nice to me and so understanding. I think it would have been horrible if, like, the situation was different.

I could give someone a rose and they, like, hated me for changing my mind the next day. Like, he was so kind to me about that. So I'm glad that. Yeah, he was like, let's get out of here then, you know. Okay. Well, let's go back in time and change what he wishes he could have. And that is ask you out on a date, you know, pair up with you that first week instead of cat. Do you see your experience in paradise going any differently?

I mean, I think regardless, that would make the experience different just because it's something that didn't have. happened. But I mean, I did at that point. It was so early on. I think it was like day three or, you know, it was really early. So I would have gone on that day. He was someone that I was interested in meeting. But I don't, I can't really get on like in terms of who I would have ended. I think no matter what I, I would mentally leave there alone, to be honest. So I don't, I don't think it would have changed a lot. The conversation with Tanner yesterday really just showed us just what I think everybody on that beach was feeling is that you were somebody who a lot of people wanted to get to know because you carried yourself well. But you would just

mention a few minutes ago that this wasn't the most fun experience for you. And I think the show did that, did your storyline a little bit of an injustice if that's true because it looked like you were having a great time outside of obviously some just disconnection between you and Blake but after that you know there was literally a line of dudes standing there being like hey well you're single now let me talk doesn't mean that she's having fun because that's why my question is I not just look actually relatively missed the most of the time you just feel like you're always in your head yeah well that's my question for you is what was not fun about being in paradise for you okay yeah so you know I think for me I did not go into paradise prepared at all I didn't think

about what it would be like if the guy like took my best friend on a date or if I wasn't sure if the guy was with was my most like compatible person like I just didn't prepare it at all and I handled it exactly how I would outside of the show like cameras off like I am someone that takes time and I'm very logical and I'm very reasonable in a relationship. I think my number one thing on paradise that I wish I did differently was just have more fun. I'm like for me it was like I don't want to leave here and figure it out if we're going to work or not. Like, I want to figure out then and there. And so I think my biggest thing that I, if I were to change anything, even though I was being

myself, so I don't really know if I would change it, but maybe just have more fun and not need yes to know black and white answers and just enjoy the time and figure it out as I went instead I figured out right then there. I feel like we're very similar in this way. I feel like there's probably no chance that you were going to have fun in that environment. I took it too seriously I mean like you can't help not taking it seriously is what I mean like you can definitely have fun in the environment

I definitely did but you can't not take it seriously yeah do you know what I mean it's just like there's some people out there that just like loves too important yeah but Jess this is one thing that I was so confused about looking at your journey and almost like every week

you would say something like why me why is this going wrong everything's going wrong around me and i was like why did she think everything's going wrong the only thing that's going wrong is she doesn't know whether or not she likes blake enough yeah was i right yeah no i mean it's definitely was frustrating even watching myself back you know and i'm sure you guys both understand like you learn a lot watching yourself back you learn not even the second that you leave and reflecting um in that moment you know it was just a course of events like the guy was really interested in it took my best friend a date there was never really a time for me to explore that i also didn't really want to make that a big deal either they didn't make it seem like

you were really into him well there was like a blip yeah i mean cat and i handled that our conversations about it very maturely like it wasn't i can't be upset that like that was his choice like you know there's only so much i could actually be frustrated about um and then you know i thought blake and i were always on the same page like every answer that i every question that i was asked every answer i gave i thought he would say the same thing and so when things started switching and i was caught off guard it was just i was so overwhelmed because i was like i just feel like this like what is going on um and so yeah no i think i played a victim mindset a bit but it was more so just like i thought i was going to be in love a lot quicker like i thought first day second day i'd be like oh this i'm leaving with him

sure. And there was never a time where I genuinely thought that without a, like, a but or a what if in the back of my mind. So there was, like, was there ever a moment where you thought that Blake could be the person that you would leave the beach with? Or was that always a little doubt? I think, well, you know, I'm a firm belief. I mean, I hope I'm holding on to the day that I meet my husband, like there won't be a doubt. So I feel like, you know, I knew that there was a lot of things that Blake and I had to figure out outside of there. And that made me really anxious. Like, the fact that he lives in Canada, the fact that he's always traveling and I'm just starting my career. I can't take that much PTO. Like, that's where my brain goes. I'm like, how do I, like,

is there, like, do I take my laptop to Africa? Like, it doesn't, like, I just was thinking all these things. And I was like, I don't want to leave here in a relationship or not to work out. And I have to deal with that. And I get my hopes up. And so I wasn't romanticizing it because I wanted I wanted to be real with myself, but to a fault, though, because I feel like if I was a little bit more loose, maybe it could have been different. But I think I was just protecting myself. I'm still trying to figure that. I don't know. My advice recently for any new bachelor or bachelor at when I talked to them, because it used to be different. It's changed for me over the last few years as I look back on that experience. And it really is like, hey, try to enjoy it. Like, if you can find those moments,

to enjoy, loosen up. Like, you're going to feel like everything is out to get you. You're going to hold so tight to your words and your actions. And just, like, nobody's trying to ruin you. You can only kind of do that yourself. And just try to have fun with it because I didn't. I have fun with it now looking back. I was not having fun when I was in it.

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Can you tell us about your first few moments with Blake, you know, your first day or two, initially like discovering each other's personalities? Because I don't think we got to see enough of that. Yeah. Because I think like on paper, Ben and I didn't put the two of you together, just knowing what we knew from previous seasons. yeah no definitely um so i remember day one i was the last girl to get there so it was pretty late in the day um blake and i had a conversation at night he was the last conversation i had um

i think i talked to maybe sean talked to me one time and then it was blake the key they were i only talked to two we know sean wanted to talk to yeah i think this is the only two guys i'd talk to that night if my memory serves me correctly but um so blake and i it was just i was so overwhelmed i got there lee everyone was like already spent the whole day talking everybody i felt very behind like i was like oh i really was like i'm going home i guess like i don't everyone's kind of locked in and so um i saw blake i never thought that he'd be interested to i got a hint that he might be so i was like okay so i like pulled him aside and um i shake when i get nervous i get a little like shaky it my little thing even if like an interview like for a job I shake so um he it was the first

time in my whole bachelor experience I shaked every time with Zach um it was the first time that I didn't shake with someone with a guy not a call that's just the most adorable thing I've ever heard so I I take signs very seriously so I was like I think I told him to um or no I maybe I didn't but I remember running back to the girls and I was like I didn't shake and they were like freaking out because they knew about that and um so i think from then on like there was just a comfort with blake we were very just like goofy and it was very just chill nothing i didn't feel pressure to like lead a conversation i felt okay sitting in silence with him it just was comfortable i think even knowing Blake like there is there's a maturity there um that does make this

relationship make more sense um i do agree there was some like obvious things that this, it would have been really hard to make this thing work. But for a while during the season, it did feel like you two might be that one couple that surprises us and ends up together at the end. How big of a factor did Katie showing up to the beach play in kind of the split or the disconnecting your relationship? So to be honest, that played out very differently than my experience on the show. Wait, wait. Oh, tell us everything.

So when she came down, prior to her coming down, we had a conversation about past relationships. Of course, I had an idea of who Blake was, but I never watched that season. I didn't know the extent of it. And so he walked me through that. And it like jogged in memory. Of course, I've heard about it, but I just didn't really know. And so we kind of walked through that relationship. And I was under the impression that with what he was telling me, that they was just like, there would be

no connection again. They're no like it wouldn't rekindle. They have things that they had to like talk about. There was no closure, but there was no re like they wouldn't rekindle. So, um, when she came down for my emotions, um, of course it didn't really air this way, but my emotions were just, of course I was like, you know, a little bit freaking out. No one wants to see the guy that you're with ex-fiancee come down. But it was more of like I felt for both of them. That's like, it's so hard to see your ex. They have a lot to talk about and you know I was like okay without happening there was no point where I was thinking that he was going to end things and go after her from what I from the perception of the conversation that we had um so that roast ceremony night just wasn't a good night for me

they didn't air every roast but the roast were pretty pretty brutal for everyone and so we just had a really off night that night and the next day at the rose ceremony when he ended it. I thought it was more so just like, I don't know. I just, I think my perception is a little bit different. I didn't really realize it was like the KV factor into it. Well, our perception is not that he wanted to go after her though. Well, yeah.

No, no, yeah. Okay. No, I didn't mean it like that. But like, I think for me, like a lot of, like, because he talked about how, what I mean is like he talked about like he knew what love was and that wasn't it. and like I didn't really like I don't know I guess because I was so much the moment like I didn't really process that that's what it was and so when he left it was like I was kind of overwhelmed because I was like we had time to figure it out and I didn't understand and then watching it back

I'm like oh that's because yeah okay gotcha I meant yeah the yeah I mean I think that whole roast. I mean, the roast has been something that we were very confused by because you already have typically in life, we can assume that most people have insecurities. They probably most people have felt lonely and most people that are on that beach or on this show because they're human doesn't like to be put down. That roast just seemed very odd to us and it didn't feel like it was going to go anywhere good. It could only cause chaos and something bad to happen. So yeah, I can understand why you said that was a tough night for everybody because that's just a weird thing to put people into.

A lot of feelings were hurt. Wasn't a fun night. You might be able to clarify something for us, Jess. This is a question that fans have asked, that no other contestant has been able to answer yet. And I feel like you're going to be our best shot at this. As Blake left after ending a relationship, Kylie was the one that ran after him.

Surprised all of us. We had never seen him talk during the whole season. And yet this feels like all of a sudden they're going to make out going into the van. But obviously they didn't. But we never really understood what was going on there. Were they really good friends? Were they talking a lot? Like what could you give us a context for why she ran after him?

Blake and I would always hang out with the girls together. He was very close to, he was just very close to a lot of people. Him and Kylie would go to him a lot for advice about her and Aven's relationship. And there was never a time on that. where I was uncomfortable by it or felt off by it. I think watching that, definitely I could see how people were confused by it, but they did have a good friendship. And I knew about that.

I knew about their conversation from both ends. So for me, I didn't really see anything that I just, I think if everyone got to see their friendship more, it wouldn't have been as confusing. So I think it's just because it's like all of a sudden it's Kylie and Blanche. like, where do that come from? Like, you don't really see a lot of friendships. So I think that's where it gets weird.

But in terms of I never thought or I don't, and I still don't think that there's anything going on there. Oh, okay. That was my follow-up. So now they're both single. Still nothing. No. Okay.

Now, if Katie weren't to have come down those stairs, do you guys think you would have made it another week? You just said that you thought you needed another figure-it-out conversation. Just from what we saw, I feel like you guys are probably having to figure it out too often. What do you think? I remember going into that night wanting to do something fun with him and like romantic with him.

We hadn't done anything really that romantic yet. So I was trying to, you know, step up a little bit. And I knew that I was probably the reason that there was some dent. So let me like come step up. And so when he pulled me, you saw me. I was like very confused. I was like, you're scaring me. Like I just didn't see that coming at all.

But I think regardless of Katie. coming down, you know, we did that switch. And I think he probably would have still pulled back at some point. I'm assuming. But I just think we were never on the same page. Yeah. This, I mean, and I understand that. And that's fair.

The season didn't tell or finish some storylines. And I think one of the ways that we saw you doing the switch or you staying open is obviously Blake going on a day and then you kissing Tyler. That never really got resolved. It was just kind of a scene and then it kind of sat out there like what was this and doesn't mean anything. Did it mean anything? Was it a surprise to you? Can you elaborate a little bit on that situation? When Jen came down and took Blake on a date, I didn't expect that happening at all. I didn't think he would say yes, not that he couldn't and not that he, I would never tell him not to. I just,

the night before we had a conversation where he pretty much said he was all in. So I just didn't think that he would go on a date. And so when that happened, to be honest, I think it's just how to switch in my head of like, what am I doing? And when we had a private conversation, he was like, I'm going on this date and I want you to figure your shit out here and like, you know, figure it out. So I took that time to as much as I was like felt guilty and didn't really want to do it because I was like, not that I didn't want to do it. I was just like, I felt guilty.

Like I just was like, this feels weird. But I was like, well, Blinks on a date making out of Jen. So I should probably take this time to talk. to the connections that I've been wanting to talk to. And when Tyler and I talked, even though it was a great conversation, we both just, it's just we had a lot going on with the, but he had a lot of Mercedes and I had a lot with Blake. So we just kind of agreed on going separate ways. Everyone knew about it.

It wasn't this like hidden thing. I talked to Blake. I talked to Mercedes. I think because it was handled very well, I mean, I'm assuming it was handled pretty decently that there was no drama to air. but yeah i think it was one of those things where it was like i finally saw like Blake left for a day he wasn't there i felt like what it was like for him not to be there and i kissed another guy and it just wasn't really a good feeling i felt like like like begrudgingly like i don't think he

would have gone on the date if you had shown no like hesitation about him what do you think about that um i think so too i think he um yeah i think you almost did you a favor because he He was like, I'm just going to get out of your hair for a day. Yeah, I think in his perspective, he was doing that to, like, leave and give me space. At the time, I wasn't understanding that because I was like, that's taking away from Jen being able to make a connection. So I think at the time on Paradise, I was like, oh, well, he's actually wanting to explore Jen. Because he did say to me when he pulled me, it was nice to feel wanted. So he left the page telling me that he was pretty much trying it out.

So, like, yes, he was doing me a favor, but he also was doing. to be not for him too. Have you talked to him since? Yes. We're good friends. Like we're on good terms. Nothing. No issues or anything.

Like you text sometimes or you DM sometimes or like you FaceTime sometimes. Just, you know, communicate however you communicate with the friend. Have you seen him in person since? No. A liar. Not laughing. No, we're very good friends. I signed up for her questions, not these questions.

I know. You know, it is fun. I wouldn't be surprised if you saw each other. You could have said yes because it feels like Blake has done a great job at kind of rallying a lot of people from Paradise together to do the stuff he loves and the other people love doing. You know, we see snapshots in social media often with other contestants. In fact, yesterday had to ask if Rachel and Blake were dating.

And somebody said, no, they're just friends. So maybe he's just really good at being friends with all these really pretty girls from Paradise. I don't know. Jess, when you went down to the beach, was Blake the person that was top on your list or who was top? No, I did not think I would be on Blake's list. so I didn't even think about that. My, I hate to say list, but I was just mainly interested in getting to know Tanner and Tyler.

But ultimately, you can say that, but it's a matter of who wants to explore you too. So I went into it not being too hard on a list because it's just about a matter of like the, you know, it's mutual and compatibility and all that. We talk about your friendship with Kat. Like, we love Kat as a reality star. She's amazing.

You guys seem like an incompatible. compatible friend couple though like you are so just sweet and wholesome and she is loud and in your face and intense so like tell us about how you guys click yeah so um we became close on bachelor because we had a conversation we're both from florida and we actually had some mutual friends she went to a college near my hometown and so it was just like a very like a familiar face almost like it felt like home a little bit and so um we just got close through then and um we're very very different but also she has a good heart and i think it's yeah it's unfortunate that you know she does bring such good

tv and i think that that was very leaned into because she i mean she was one of the people that carried the season with with how good of tv she is but he has more to offer to her than what we're just seeing um and she's someone what i love about her is she is very willing to grow and listen into different perspectives, and she helps me grow to in different ways that I didn't know that I needed help in. So it's a lot of learning and growing from each other. It always gets a little too much at times, but it was a tough season for Kat. I mean, she had a couple weeks there where it felt like the stuff we were seeing was,

yes, going to be criticized. And she was going to get, you know, the, the, the, negative comments made about her. But as a friend who lived through this with her, what was that like watching that play out? Do you mean like watching it back or like being there? Watching it back and then knowing how, you know, she was obviously very hurt just by the public statement she made.

I think no matter what is warranted or not, I think the hate that this franchise receives is just, it's just insane and so blown out of. proportion. I felt very bad for her because as a friend it was very hard to see even just like her her own comment section on her social media pages like that is it just was really heartbreaking because I don't think anyone deserves the level of hate that they get on an edited TV show. Um, so I think the heart, the most hardest thing was to just see how hard it was for her, for what people didn't really understand was that she's human and she's watching this

back with and reliving these hard moments. And on top of that, receiving so much hate from it that it's really bad at her mental health. And I just, I was like my, my biggest concern with her all season was making sure she was okay. And it was tough. And how is she doing now with the John Henry split? I'm excited for her to be able to, you know, share more about that. But I think all she can do right now is just focus on herself and heal. But she's a lot stronger than, than anyone could imagine. So I think she'll be okay. Well, to close out here,

Jess, it really was fantastic. You know, you came on the podcast a while back and you left the podcast, and Ashley and I are like, that girl, she's special. You know, she's a great person to have on this show. And obviously, people were seeing this on the beach as well. I feel like, if anything,

you should walk away from this experience, knowing that there was a lot of guys that still want to talk to you and that wanted to talk to you once Blake left the scene. Final question from me here, is there anything different that you wish you would have done in Paradise other than having more fun? Mostly I'm talking about in decisions that you made. I think for me, I know I've seen and heard before

that my lack of experience comes off as immaturity, but for me like that is something that I take a lot of pride in that I I I don't just date around I don't I don't um date a lot of people and that's because when I meet my person I'm excited to be like well I saved all of this about myself for you and so I think for me the only thing that I would do differently is maybe just I would have waited um I think there's ways to learn about what you're looking for and what you're wanting outside of just dating a bunch of people um so that was the first time that was the most dating that I have ever done on Paradise. And I didn't really do that.

So I think the one thing I would have done differently is to just go into it more confident in other ways than just having more experience. I get that totally. Take it from somebody who's married to somebody who self-admittedly did not have a lot of experience. She had a lot of one days, like first dates. But yeah, not a lot of second dates or third dates. And, you know, there is, there's a, there's a, there's a,

a beauty in that and there is an admiration i think too where now that i've you know gotten to know more about my wife um there's just uh it wasn't always easy but she she's a tough girl and she did um she cares deeply about the decision she's making and so um be proud of that and uh one day who knows somebody may slide into your DMs and you could get you getting married three years later i guess i do have a little crescent has anybody from the bachelor franchise slid into your DM since this show? Um, no one that any celebrities. Let's get better. Don't lie to me.

I know. I don't know. I don't know. Because there has. Yes. Goodness gracious. I do not. I don't think I come off as someone that would probably openly respond to. So I feel like, I feel like that's the reason why it may not happen very frequently because I don't normally like. Yeah. I don't really. Yeah. I don't really. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not much of like a, I don't know, I like to keep to myself. And if I'm single, I like to really lean into that. And I like things to happen organically. So I think in terms of Bachelor World, I am taking a break from from Bachelor Boys. I'm just learning to love myself right now,

focus on my job, my career, moving, all that before I answer any DMs. But if there's like a really hot guy out there that's listening, they'll try, give me the option to open it or not. open it. I was going to say, I met my wife through a DM. So, like, don't say no to everybody, because there could be somebody that all of a sudden you go on your first day and you're like, yeah, this is it. We're over. I'm not against it. I like the option of it being there, but I may not take it. So we'll see. Ben's also not the kind of guy that you would think is going to go and slide into DMs. So, like, that's who you should be looking out for, right? Yeah. I agree. I agree. Okay. The weirdos who never go on social media, but when they do,

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friends with everyone and see that that didn't come into fruition. So I can't imagine being in their position. So it's just sad. Oh, wait, right. I'm sorry. We just keep thinking about things. Jess is kind of like, she's really good. This is like a congressional hearing where like we asked the tough question. She's like, huh, yeah, what's the thing I can say here that makes sense? Well, I've had a lot of do interview, interview prep for jobs. So I have, I'm very good at she's very good we said the top of the show you know we're going to have hard questions

and she goes I like hard questions well now we know because she could beat around the bush around them yeah she's like I feel like we should just be like is it a yes or no oh gosh I'm not good at yes or no questions

okay okay but like I saw you on FaceTime with Kylie there was like that FaceTime with you and Kylie and was it Kat or was a Mercedes I don't know I forget who was with them the like new like thing or it was fireworks and stuff

Yeah, you guys, like, posted that you guys were on a FaceTime, excited that you didn't have to go on reality TV again. That was pre-breakup. Oh, so it was screenshot from weeks, days earlier. Pre-breakup, I think we were just, we were excited, regardless about the breakup, it was just us being excited for the point of it was no more trolls. We were like, no more trolls. Like, we're done. Like, we can live in sunshine and rainbows and no more mean people. That was like what we were doing.

I can't believe there's still mean people talking to you guys. Yeah, I just block. I don't even, I'm like, bye. Yeah, but then they get a little vindicated from the block that it's like, oh, I got to her. Yeah, I guess. But my mental health is more important than like when you. Yeah.

Smart statement. Yeah. Yeah. She's taking the wise route. She's taking the wise route by just saying you don't need to be a part of my life. And Jess, it's great to have you on here. You showed, well, we hope to see you back on. television, but I also hope that maybe you meet somebody before that opportunity comes about

again for you. So, but it was a pleasure watching you this season as our first pick in the Bachelor in Paradise fantasy draft that never existed. Thank you, I appreciate it. You did well for us. Bye, Jess. You're so sweet. Please give me media training.

Bye. Oh, my gosh. That's funny. This has been another episode of the Almost Famous Podcast. Of course, we had what I would say. And I think social media responded to it as well, probably the star, maybe not the most watched person this season, but definitely the one that gathered the biggest following and had a lot of support coming off of the season of Bachelor in Paradise, Jess, with us today. Another great week for the Almost Famous Podcast. So until next time, I've been Ben.

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