The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Shanna Moakler Is In Love, But Regrets Doing THIS For Her Ex-Husband

Episode Date: September 10, 2026

Jana Kramer sits down with Shanna Moakler to talk about the hardships of her divorce from ex-husband Travis Barker, her regrets, and when it’s appropriate to share more with your kids. Shanna has a new women’s wellness brand, Hello Foxi, teases about her upcoming memoir, and tells us how her real love story was 30 years in the making!  Plus, how does she REALLY feel now about appearing in her ex’s documentary?  Email us at: [e-mail] or call us at 844-4-I Do Pod (844-443-6763)Follow I Do, Part 2 on Instagram and TikTokSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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She's an actress, a mother, and the founder of Hello, Foxy. Please welcome Shana Mokler to the pod. You know, I am so excited to chat with you for many reasons. But one being, I am so in the start of perimenopause. Like I can't even, honestly, I have another podcast called Wind Down and I was talking with my girlfriends. I'm like, I don't know what's happening. Like I'm, everyone's saying my blood works fine or this is, you know, but I wasn't doing it at the right time. Yeah. It's been, I was like, I feel, I felt, I have felt so out of body and like something is wrong. And I've been, you know,

chat GPTing like, what is wrong with me? Am I crazy? Like, what's happening? And then everyone you know, it's just my age. I'm 42. And a lot of women are like, that's when it happened for me. And I'm like, what happened for you? Like, what do you mean? Like, and then I'm just, and now, you know, as I was going through my notes and you've started Hello Foxy, I'm so excited because it's like you're helping everything from menopause symptoms to skin wellness. Is there anything for perimenopause, though? Girl, you don't even understand. I am so proud. So just a little background, just so you know, I like really always looked up to Suzanne Summers. Oh, I mean, who hasn't?

I mean, it was like our mom, like, my mom was watching her like from like the workouts to everything. Yeah, you know, but she was really like the first woman who really like sort of like pioneered like menopause and anti-aging for women, you know, and really wrote those books and really open the dialogue because my mom was just like raw dogging it, you know? Like she like was just roughing it, you know? And I look back now and I mean, and she was having all those hoplashes and I was like, get over it woman and now I'm like oh my god I was so mean to my mom well she she has it but to answer

your question not only do I have Perry but I have Perry I have pre Perry and post so I'm actually going to be offering three separate systems for women so someone like yourself you're actually really young but women can go into menopause as early as like 28 years old you know my mom was 33 which is why I yeah I had freaked out you know because I you know wanted to have kids and like oh my God my mom's going to I'm going to have the same thing happen now that it didn't, but I mean, yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. And one of the first signs, you know, women don't even understand. A lot of the times women, when they already, when they're going into like paramedopause, you know, they have maybe like hot flashes at night, you know, or, you know, they're gaining a little weight or their hair is getting a little thinner. And they just think it's stress or they think it's anxiety or, you know, they just have no idea that it's actually their hormones that are changing. And, you know, one of the pharmacists who work. within my company in Hello Foxy. Her name's Jessica Petron.

She's an absolute genius pharmacist. And she created an entire collection called Roots that I'm going to be implementing, which is the three systems of pre-Pary and post menopause. And she was telling me, she goes, you know, when I was talking to her about haflosh? She's like, well, when do you get them? And I was like, well, at first I was just getting them at night. You know, I was like dying in the middle of the night,

waking up like drenched. And she's like, well, that's your progesterum. That means your progesterine's low. And that's where it starts. And so women need to take that progester in at night. But when you start having hot flashes in the day, she was like, now that's a whole other, that's a whole other, you know, a demon there.

You know, now that's estrogen. You know, now your estrogen's gone. So now you have to take an estrogen patch. And estrogen's really the one that kind of like sets us all off. Once that estrogen drops, that's when, you know, you get the weight gain, you get the hair loss, you get the anxiety, you get the frozen shoulder. I mean, there's an array. I mean, women are afraid to drop.

drive. You know, the craziest things start happening, you know, to us when our, when we start losing our estrogen. But, you know, and not every woman can go on estrogen replacement, which is a whole other thing, you know. So this is why I'm so proud of Hello Foxy, because it's all made in the USA, you know, we're a 503A company. We're all based in United States in Tennessee and Dallas. All our pharmacies are here. There's nothing synthetic coming from overseas. And we have women, women pharmacists and women doctors who are going to help you get your blood work and help you figure out exactly where your hormone levels are and, you know, kind of cater to your particular needs. And we're not going to go, we're not going to leave you.

We're not going to be like, okay, here's your drugs. And then, you know, you know, because a lot of women stop. A lot of women get on estrogen and then they don't, you know, they don't know what to do. And then, you know, so we're not going to leave you. We're going to guide you through it all. that is I mean that's amazing like I'm I'm so excited to look into that and I'm I'm curious to because so you've been dating your new guy for how long oh okay well I met Greg oh my god a lot well you met him on a movie right like years and years and years we were first models in Miami I was 18 I just graduated high school I was a model in Miami he was 20 and we just met Miami and then we were dating we were so young and then um He went to L.A. and I went to New York. That's when I became Miss New York, USA. And one Miss USA. That's why I moved to L.A. Then I ran into him again. We actually did Poison Ivy 3 with Jamie Presley. We did like a whole movie. And we kind of dated a little bit again. And then you know, life just kind of took us on our separate way. So I've known Greg for well over 30 years. Oh my God. That's crazy to say. But we've been together. We reconnected about three years ago. How do you reconnect? What was the what was the reconnection? Was it like a. A young slide or? So Jason Mamoa, you might know him, you know, Aquam.

He was a very, he's a good friend of both of ours. So when we all moved to L.A., we were all starting, you know, young actors, models. We were all like doing our thing many, many moons ago. And he was doing a vodka launch and invited us all, you know, to kind of go celebrate. And so I ran into him at Jason's vodka launch. And I just saw him. I hugged him. and I was like, it's you.

You're the what. I'm going to grow old with you. I just knew it, you know. And shortly after, he moved me to Texas and we've been together ever since. Oh, so you're living in Texas now. I do. Yeah, yeah. I'm in L.A. right now visiting my kiddos, but I'm based on to Dallas now.

And then the kiddos ages are what? Oh, my gosh. Okay, so Bamba's going to be turning 21 in December, which is so crazy. I'm just going to have a big old party in Vegas, I think. Lennon will be 23 in October. And my youngest is 27, which really freaks me out because it's very close to 30. And I'm not sure I'm ready to have a 30-year-old daughter yet, but yeah, 27. Well, first of all, I think it's beautiful that you're on your next chapter.

And, you know, you're, I'm curious to you because I feel like it takes a specific man to handle the hormonal imbalances that we're going through. Poor thing. And I genuinely like I'm like man you know it does it just it takes it takes a it takes a really good man but also like what is something that he does for you that you're just like because I have a hard time expressing like hey it's the week before I'm about to go really crazy because right now yeah I might have PMDD so it's like bright before my period it just and I've never felt that. That's the thing with Perry right is like you know you have a period you don't have a period.

You have a period for two weeks, then you have a period for like three months, you know, and then like you might have hot flashes one week. And so, you know, it's just you never know, and it's, and a lot of women just rough through it. They don't even realize that there's, you know, there's things out there that can kind of ease all of that. You know, there's no reason to suffer. We have HRT. We have hormone replacement therapy, you know. But I'm, you know, the big thing for me was hot flashes.

Like, I mean, I was getting them like every 30 minutes. And I'm not talking just like the hardest thing was at night, just sleeping because I would just wake up like drenched to the point where I would like have to go like change you know you're like you're sweating and then you're freezing and then you're sweating and then you're not sleeping you know my sleep was so interrupted and I just was like babe I just I just need a good night's sleep you know that was the hardest thing and he just saw me suffering through that yeah and I and I think that's the piece that I'm curious about because I have a hard time communicating that like because I'm it feels so out of body and then I'm almost not that I'm embarrassed by it

but it's it's like I'm trying to hold it together because I don't want it to seem like, you know, but I also know that it's a lot. So like how do you communicate that to your partner? And then how has he shown up for you in that? You know, I always tell like women and I tell men, you know, there's three phases in a woman's life where we have absolutely no control of our bodies. And that's puberty, pregnancy and metapause. And it's just, we just have no control of our hormones, you know? And it's like, you know, I just, it's like, hey, I don't, I don't. I don't. don't want to feel like this, you know. But I think just educating your partner as well, just being like, hey, babe, like read this article or here's a little fun meme, you know, or just kind of sending him stuff,

you know, where it shows other women kind of make in light of it. So, you know, but it's a conversation you have to have. Like, hey, I'm not in control of my body sometimes. Like, I'm going to go see a physician. I'm going to get it under control. But I need you to be a little patient with me. Because the thing about metapause is like, especially with hormone replacement therapies and, really with any sort of like any real physical issue, any physician guided issue you have, you know, even if it's mental health, you know, it's going to take a little, a little work to figure out what works with your body, even going on a GLP. You know, OZempic may work for some people.

Manjaro may work for another person. You know, you need to figure out the level that works for you. Is it five milligrams? Is it seven? Do you want a microdose? You know, and people really need to be, I think, a little kinder to themselves as they sort of navigate what works for them and what doesn't work for them. Because it can be like a six to a year-month process figuring it out.

Right. Yeah, no, for sure. Can we travel back in time a bit? Yeah, sure. Yeah, sure. I love to go back in time. I know, right? Don't I as well.

Like, I love to go back in time. I have, you know, I have a very, I have a public ex-relationship that was really hard and that was in, you know, the papers and all the things. and, you know, I sometimes think back on that relationship and I'm like, what could I have done differently? Because, you know, obviously people reach out and be like, hey, I need help with, you know, moving on or this. Like, what would you have done differently? And I'm, you know, I have, I have my responses for that. But I'm curious, like, when you look back or when you've looked back, like, is there something where you're like, I could have done this differently? Oh, God. I mean, I don't even, I mean, of

course. I mean, there's, I mean, my life and all the things that I've gone through. Yeah, there's probably a gazillion things, you know, that I think I would have done differently. And more so even in the self-care of myself. Yeah. You know, I was running around trying to save everybody probably but myself, not to sound selfish or whatnot, but I think if women don't take care of themselves, you're not going to be a good mother. You're not going to be a good friend, you're not going to be a good daughter, you know? So I think that's very important. But at the same time, you know, I know everyone says this is very cliche. But if I didn't make those mistakes, I wouldn't be who I am today. And, you know, I wouldn't, you know, have the strength in the different attributes. And, you know,

if I hadn't made those mistakes. Yeah. No, for sure. I hear that. And I think one of the things that I've, when I've, like, sat with it is I wish I would have, like, I always say, oh, I'm so glad that I stayed all those years and that I gave it everything. And I am. like, because I know that I tried everything I possibly could. Yeah. But I, but the piece that I haven't been truthful and that is that I wish I would have, because I had, if I really would have discerned with myself, I knew it was never going to get better. Right. You know what I mean? Like, and, and like I wish I would have actually left sooner, knowing that it wouldn't have changed.

So I should have listened to that whisper and that discernment inside of me. Yeah. Because you know, you know, you know, and I wanted to ignore it. I kept just shoving it down and trying to pour water over it, you know? Well, I think, you know, that's a big thing. I think a lot of women stay too long, you know, for different reasons. Maybe it's their kids. Maybe it's, you know, a lot of women have fixers.

You know, I'm going to fix it. I'm going to heal it. That was kind of like my personality. I don't want to have another failed relationship. So, you know, and then I think the hardest challenge for me has been trying to forgive myself for staying in places that I should have left, you know, for not reading those red flags or saying, you know, I know it's hard, but I, you know, I should have left. That is one of the hardest things is grieving your choices. And that is like one of the things

that I have, it's taken the longest in therapy to get over grieving the things that I wish I would have done differently. Yeah, very mad at myself, you know. And why did I do? Why would I do that? Yeah, why did I allow that or like what in my, you know, and, you know, my major relationships that people know me for Oscar and Travis. Those ones I don't really have the biggest regrets about. It's a relationship that I had before Greg that I was in for

almost five years. That was a very abusive relationship. And that's the relationship that I really, I go back on often and really like, why? What was it about me at that point in time that was so broken that thought that I was deserving of that?

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When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and held captive for nine months. I survived, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are the Survivor Files. I just remember this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up, don't say anything. Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming. They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced.

But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. There's stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to the Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What is your best? And I just posted something on my Instagram about all the things I've learned with co-parenting because it can be very challenging. So I just put like, you know, my tips and tricks out there.

But what has been, what is your, what are your best tips for co-parenting? Because especially when people get into new relationships as it's hard if you're not meshing well with the other person or, you know, whatever it is, what is something that like, if you had a friend that's like, hey, girl, I need your help. Like, what are the main things for you that are, A, either non-negotiables, but also that has worked well for you? Well, you know, co-parenting, who, it can be so difficult for so many people. You know, the one thing my ex and I agree on, it's the only thing my ex and I agree on, because we don't agree on anything else, was our children.

And that was putting our children first. And so, you know, the first thing I think when it comes to couples and divorce is you can't weaponize your children. You know, you can't use your children to get back at your spouse, you know, for whatever. Whatever. I don't care how much you hate them. I don't care, you know, you cannot use your children as a weapon against it. Like, you really need to sit down with yourself and say, my priority is giving my children the healthiest and best future possible.

And that's making, and at the end of the day, whether you like it or not, your child deserves to know their father. Your child deserves to know their mother. You know, whether you respect them or not, it's their parent. And whether they grow up and say, you know what, my father's a piece of shit. I don't like them. that's their road to travel and learn. So you have to allow your children to know,

know their other parent, and you have to put them first. And sometimes that's, you know, taking your ego out of it. You know, one thing that Travis and I did that worked really great for us is that we had a nesting arrangement. So our kids actually stayed in one house, and he and I went in and out.

So our kids never went back and forth. And I know that's not an option for a lot of people, you know, but that's something that we did that was really kind of helpful. My kids just stayed in one place. And then he went in on his custodial days. And then I went in on my custodial days. And, you know, we were the ones going back and forth. So it didn't really interrupt the children.

But I just think, you know, my biggest tip is don't repanize your children. Yeah. It can be so hard to when you're so angry at the other person. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, like, you know, like, look, they, there's days, you know, the courts set times and dates for reasons, you know.

And it's like, abide by them, you know, follow them, you know. The kids, you know, especially like, you know, there's some parents, you know, they only get their kids every other weekend, you know, they're not, like, let your kids go be with their, you know, with their parent, the other, the one weekend, the two weekends of the month. You know, we don't need to have to go to the cops to have a child exchange, you know, think how traumatic that is for kids. So, I mean, co-parenting is, it's so, so difficult.

I think parents who can come together and really do that well, I really applaud them because it's, it's not easy. And sometimes it takes people years. You know, and if it takes you two to three years to kind of find that rhythm and flow, all right, as long as you find that rhythm and flow. I got to ask this because, you know, obviously your kids are, you know, out of the house. They're a bit older. I'm an empty nestor. I know. So this is like that. And, you know, this is, because I'm still, you know, I pay child support to my, to my ex. And our kids are still. young, how is it when they're older, like, and to not have to have that communication with, because I still have to text my ex and have community, like, we're, we're in communication.

We're at the baseball games. We're doing this. It doesn't go away when they're 18, just so you know. That's my answer. That's my question. So it doesn't, like, it's not, like, you don't have to talk. It's probably less. It definitely lessens.

It definitely lessens. But, like, let's say Alabama, for instance, you know, she deals with a lot of health anxiety, my youngest daughter. and she's very vocal about it and she talks about it. But, you know, she likes to go to the ER every other day. You know, she thinks she's going to have a brain tumor. She goes to the ER. She thinks she's got a sepsis.

She's got to go to the ER. You know, and at this point, we're like, go to the ER. So, you know, if that's going to make you feel better. But, you know, that's something Travis and I have to text each other, you know, did she, are you going to the ER with her this time? Am I going to the ER with it? You know, are we going to, you know, like what are, you know, how is she doing? Is she resting? Is she feeling better?

You know, you know, and she's going to be 21, but we still will talk to each other. You know, the kids are in New York. Do you have security with the kids in New York? Yes, the kids have, you know, so we still will text and communicate, even though they're young adults, you know, they're young adults. You know, people think, oh, they're 18, but they're still, I mean, I'm 51, they're kids to me. 20, you know, 30's a kid to me. So it's, you know, it's like they're still like babies. It doesn't really go away.

I have this, in my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my. now has been he, not that he laughs at me for it, but I have this dream that, you know, whoever my ex marries, like, we're going to be best friends and we're going to, you know, go on vacations together and like, that could happen. That could happen. Yeah, but like realistically, like, and that's not, my, my husband wouldn't be comfortable with, with that. And I, you know, obviously I want to honor like, who knows? Like now, right now that he wouldn't be the most comfy with that. But if it's something important to me, of course, he'd probably hear me out on it. But I don't know.

Like is that like is, is that something you ever thought of or wanted or like how do you when it comes to like being able to co-parent with another woman? Like how is how is that dynamic? And like what is your biggest tip for when that happens for for me? I'm the wrong person. Well, I know like girl, you've been in the press a little bit with, you know, maybe commenting comments going away. We're laughing. I'm just not the. No, that's, that's, I'm just the wrong person.

But that's okay, though, because I'm like, I think it's, that can be, you know, probably 90% of situations. I have friends that do that, you know, my best friend in Rhode Island, his name's Tama. He has a daughter, and he and his ex-wife are best friends and their priority was their daughter. And they, I mean, every year, I mean, he on their, on her birthday and Mother's Day, I mean, it's a beautiful thing to see. People do do it. for me it's just the the sadly the opportunity i guess with my exes and their in their particular

new partners just wasn't um you know didn't end well with me with those people and so it just it's never been an option and it's nothing i've ever ever wanted to do but i i i applaud you for that dream i will support you i think it's just because my kids are little and i it would be I always think like it'd be something great for them, right? Absolutely. Yeah, to see their parents, like get along even as friends. Yeah. I think, you know, I think that's a, it's important, you know.

I try. I try, but I don't always succeed, you know. But I think the East Coast comes out sometimes. Listen, I get it. You know what I mean? I totally get it. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, that is my Michigan, Detroit can come out too at times. Yeah. I'm, I'm, I totally. get it. And I always think there's two sides and then the truth to anything. You know what I mean? So that is what I always, you know, kind of hang my hat on. But the doc that just came out, I know it was been like a seven year process. Did you have any, how are, how do you feel about how it turned out? Because I know I was watching the other doc that Chloe was in that she agreed to. And then she's like, I don't like how it turned out. So I'm curious like where you're, I didn't get to

finish it. So I don't. I didn't watch it. I don't want to watch it. Do you regret kind of signing up for it then? I regret a lot. Yeah, I wish I didn't do it. You know, he asked me to be a part of his book, you know, many, many, I don't even know, 15, almost maybe 20 years ago. And I regretted being a part of that book. And I didn't like how I was edited or portrayed in that book.

And it was really, really hurtful, honestly. And I always told myself, I wouldn't do it. I don't know how. He got me to go and do this document. I think it was before he was with his wife, I'm pretty sure. And I just wish I hadn't done it. And I, because I knew in my heart, I wasn't going to be portrayed the way that I felt I deserved. And I, and just the bits and pieces that people have shared with me or told me about, I just was like, yeah, that's kind of what I thought was going to happen. So I'm a little disappointed with myself for participating.

Well, no, I mean, it's, I think the fact that you showed up to participate shows your heart in that. Yeah. Thank you. The results can be disappointing that you put in that. And then that's how it gets twisted. And that's, yeah, that's not fair, you know? Yeah. I could totally understand the disappointment and not for sure. Absolutely. But you have your chance. You just announced your upcoming memoir is coming out. Yeah. What are you most excited to say and for people to know? Gosh, you know, I just, you know, I just, just think that there's been a narrative about me for just so long from meet the barkers where, you know, people take asleep all the time. You know, I mean, just craziness. Well, listen,

how old were you? It was probably hormones and like coming out of motherhead. Girl, I had, I had three kids under five. I had a five, like two and birds. We're tired, people. We're tired. I was pregnant. Like, leave me alone, you know. And then we were filming all day and everything. But they act like I was like, but it was also supposed to be like sort of like a storyline that was supposed to be funny, but people just, you know, turned it that I'm just like a terrible neglecting mother. But I was just like, oh, wow, I didn't see that coming. But, you know, it is what it is. But my book, I think I'm just most excited about to show all the different sides in me that people don't know about living in Miami, modeling, the celebrities, New York,

moving to L.A., early Hollywood, all the celebrities from Jack Nicholson to Sean Penn to Gerard Butler. I mean, I talk about them all. And, you know, just what that, like, early Hollywood in the 90s was like. And, you know, the Playboy Mansion, Miss USA. You know, Oscar de La Jolla, I have a whole, you know, world with him. You know, it's not just about Travis. Travis, you know, has a couple chapters, but it's not just about chapters. I want this book to be one that inspires women to,

to learn about trauma, trauma bonding, how to get over living through embarrassing things in the public eye, but more than anything, kind of finding that journey back to yourself. And it's more about inspiring women, because my fan base is divorced women. It's single moms, you know, how did you get through it? How do you, how hard, you know,

how did you get through seeing him move on with another woman so publicly? So, you know, that's the women that write me, you know. So this book is for them. It's hard, you know? Like, it's not easy going through any of that and then finding your way back to yourself. I have a question. Did you tell any of the people like, hey, heads up, I'm writing this story about you

or like the ones that you just mentioned? No. And I have to definitely make sure legal goes through my book because I talk about a lot of people. I mean, I don't talk about, it's not about trying to disparage anybody. I'm not trying to make anyone look bad at all. I'm really just trying to share where I was, who I was, why I acted the way I acted, what my thought process was, and to share some truths that have been withheld for a long time. And it's, and they're true.

They're, they're real, you know, like you said, there's, you know, there's, you know, there's two sides of every story. Well, there's a lot of my side that has never been shared. And I'm eager to share that. But it's been hard. People don't want to touch my book, you know. And I just I just think there's people that don't want my book to be read. So, you know, there's powerful people more powerful than me. But my book will be, will be if I have to self-publish it or not, I'll have my book out. Well, you should, again, it's your story. And I think that's the thing. Like when I wrote my book, I changed someone's name, but I also. I told my acts. I'm like this, it started, and I'm curious how you're writing process too, because my book started with me sharing a lot of things that now I'm glad I didn't share for my kids' sake. Yeah. But it was a lot of like about him and then the book turned into about me where I was like, and at the end of it too, I was like, listen, I took out these stories and this and that and the other. And I said, this is, you're in it, but it's not about you, like, at all. So like, here's the manuscript and I would like for you to read it if you'd

like to read it, but I did protect like what we have and, you know, all the things. Because at the end of the day, it was never, it's not about you. It's about how I move through everything that happened that you also did, that I contribute, like all the things. Yeah. So it's like, you know, my kids and, you know, one of the things that I do talk about is parental alienation, which is a big thing. And that's a, oh yeah, a big thing with my fan base as well. Because, you know, when my kids were little and I was going through some difficulties with their dads, I hit it. You know, when you're a mom and you, you know, you, you hide things from your children. You protect your children from certain things that you don't want them to see or know, and you kind of suffer in silence, you know? And I definitely am taking my

children's feelings into consideration, but at the same time, you are young adults now. And I think you kind of need to understand why your mom's the crazy mom that she is, you know, why she, why I did some of the things I did because I don't think you understood what was being done or what I was going through during a lot of those years that you were young. And that was me protecting them. But, you know, they're young adults. There's nothing there that I don't think I can't share with them. But I think a lot of women and parents will relate.

Yeah, no, especially because a lot of those times, and I can think back on conversations and just like how I was, it makes me. sad, but it's also knowing that, like, we are, even when something was so wrongly done to us, we're still protecting our kids to make sure they don't know certain things. Absolutely. Yeah. You know, like I, yeah, a very vivid, vivid memory of something where I had to course correct it so that she wouldn't remember how she saw it in a way. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Because I needed to protect her. And it's like, but it's like, but it's like, but it's like, the biggest acting job. I ever did was when I had to smile with my kids as a mother when inside I was like crying.

You know, it's like terrible version of the club. When you walk out of the bathroom from just sobbing and then being like, hey kiddos. Yeah, there is great. He wants some dinner. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. You know, it's like just saw daddy making out with Paris Hilton on DMZ, but I'm so good. Yeah. Yeah. Just discovered the 15th affair. Here we go. Yeah. Oh, yes. You know, everything's great. Yes. You know, stuff. It's. It's. Oh, gosh. And then to have it, you know, play out in public, you know, and having your kids, like my kids were in the public eye.

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Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that that was something. someone at the end of my bed and I just started screaming. They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. There's stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to the Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you regret doing the reality show now looking back? Oh, no. No, I love it. It's so crazy. though, I look back on it now. Sometimes people will send me YouTube clips. I don't even know those people.

It's like watching like two strangers. No, I don't even know like, I'm like, wow, that girl looks fun. Like, who's that? Like, I don't even know who like those people are, you know? So it's so, it's like a time capsule. It's kind of like a cool time capsule, but I just, I don't even, it's like a different, I feel like I've been through 10 lifetimes since then.

I get that. Would you get married again? Oh, my God, yes. I want to marry Greg so bad. That's so cute. I love this. You know that too? Obviously, yes. He's, oh, my gosh. He's my southern, he's my, my good old boy, my southern gentleman. He's everything. I love that. So that's the thing where it's, it's, I, I'm like the biggest believer in love and, you know, I've had a couple marriages, but like, I do believe that it's, you know, you do the work on yourself. And I just, I'm always the

biggest advocate for love and final love and next chapters. I just never wanted to let anybody make me afraid to fall in love again, you know. And Greg has definitely had to eat some other men's sins for breakfast. But the most beautiful thing about him is, you know, the way he communicates and the way he reassures me. And he's like, you know, look, I understand why that's triggering, but I'm not that person. Yeah. My therapist always says, don't, don't give him the punishment of a crime that he didn't commit. Exactly. And not something that I like think about often because I'm like, you're right. Like I'm, I'm giving the energy and the attitude towards my husband when he didn't commit that crime. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It sneaks in there once in a while, you know.

Again, I believe a lot of that is hormonal too. I really do. I'm not trying to place blame on certain things. But I think it's, I think it's a combination of all of it. I agree. I'm with you. Yeah. What would be your biggest advice for someone moving into their next chapter? Like, what is the thing that you're like? I think, you know, just like, you know, when I was younger, I just rushed. I rushed. I was like, I want to, I got to get this job. I got to get this relationship.

I got to get this marriage. I got to, you know, I rush, rush, rush, rush. And I think the biggest thing is starting to just, I guess, allow myself the grace to heal and to take that time to do the work on myself and to know that it's not going to happen overnight and there are going to be setbacks and I'm not I'm not you know like I am going to mess up but I'm going to you know give myself grace and you know just you know it's like it's like drinking you know if you know it's like you know it's like you want to I was trying to do this like two week cleanse you know and I'm and I didn't do it and so it's like all right well then we're

going to start over it's okay to start over again you know I think that's a big thing people you know they beat themselves up too much yeah and I also think too it's you know, and being on, you know, older and we've all had marriages before, you're going to have things you're going to have to work on with your new partner too. Everyone's just like, oh, you've got, I'm like, I'm like, yes, like he's amazing. And we still have things we have to work on. Right. As our coupleship and also independently too. And, you know, knowing very well that, like, we're doing that for us and then for, again, our coupleship, I think it's. I think one of the hardest things for me, too, with Greg, was that it was a healthy love. Yeah. I didn't know how to process

like healthy love. Like I was so used to just drama and trauma and you know we're not fighting so what are you not love me you know? Why are you like why are you finding fault with me or you know and I had to like there were times

I had to really sit back and go you can trust this you can trust this love you can trust this man allow yourself to enjoy this you are deserving of this you know and that was like a talk I had like the first year I had to like be like remind myself you're deserving of that because I like having

healthy love was so foreign. Oh yeah. Because your system just knows some, you know, again, that trauma, the PTSD. That fighter flight. You're going to drop in. Fighter flight. Yeah. And just always have to protect yourself.

But, you know, now you've got blink of an eye coming out. By the way, nice title. Thank you. I'm a fan. Wow. Thanks. I just got that. That took me a second.

You're smart. You're very smart. Life goes by in a blink of an eye. I'll tell you that, though. You know, life can change just like that. So it's a lot. My life in that book is not just him or his bam, but it's a lot of different things you'll see in my book that how your life can just change so quickly. You know, it's by fast.

People don't realize life really does go by fast. It does. And then you've got the Hello Foxy. So where can everyone is, what's the website? Because I was trying to find it. Sure, it's Hello Foxy. It's Foxy with an I, so just hellofoxi.com. Hello Foxy.

And it's hello. Dot Foxy at Instagram and Hello Foxy Wellness on TikTok. Oh, I'm so excited. Yeah. So you can go on there and you can take a quiz and you can kind of share what your concerns are. We'll put you with a physician and we'll get you like an amazing program. And we don't leave you. We follow up with you.

We have, you know, at home blood kits. you know, so you don't even have to go to the labs. You can do it in the privacy of your own home. It's really, really beautiful. And we have everything. So we're going to have peptides. We have peptides, GLPs. We have hormone replacement therapy.

We have sexual wellness. So it's not just for men. We have everything from creams, trokeys. We have, you know, nasal sprays, you know, and enhance her pleasure because it's about time. Our pleasure was enhanced. Have you tried the oxytocin for nasal spray? I have. I have. Yes, I have. It's fun. Okay. I just got it. What do you mean fun? What does it do? Because I haven't tried it yet. And I'm so afraid of trying anything. It's like it heightens the sensations. You know, it's just like really good. It's going to give you that oh, that extra oh that you're looking for. Oh, okay. Here we go. Yeah. Yeah. I was, yeah, because my doctor prescribed it for like anxiety. Yeah. You can have it for anxiety, but also like for women's like, you know, obviously women in metapause. Like there's lots of changes. Um, you. You know, you know, with like vaginal dryness.

It can be uncomfortable. It can be painful. You know, there's just all different kinds of things going on down there. And we want to keep women happy and healthy because we should be enjoying sex well until our 80s is just like men. So, you know, Robert Deereo has a three-year-old. You know, so we should be enjoying, you know, sexual wellness as well. So in and I also sell ED products for men on there as well, you know, because we want our partners to be, you know, because so many men too, you know, when their testosterone drops, you know, they start having problems. And then that can affect our

relationships because they're embarrassed to talk to you because they can't get it up or, you know, whatever. And we want them to be feeling confident and sexy as well. So there's a whole little wine on there for men and women. Yes. I mean, there's some amazing, amazing products in here. I'm looking at all of them. This is awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate you sharing all the things. Oh my God. You are so sweet. It's so refreshing just to have a really nice conversation and not have to get all in the gossip of life. So I appreciate you. No, yeah. This is like the last thing. It's just fun to relate to someone that we've, you know, we might not have been through the exact same things, but we're on the journey of it also.

Thanks for being open. I appreciate it. Well, thank you so much. I had so much fun. Okay. Bye, girl. Are you trying to navigate your life in chapter two but need some advice? Well, we're here to help you. Send us an email or leave us a voicemail. All the info is in the show notes, follow us on socials. I do part two and IHeartRadio podcast where falling in love is the main objective. I survived nine months in captivity and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart and these are the survivor files. Every week I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable, abducted, stalked, controlled and nearly silenced. These are stories about what it takes to

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