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Episode Date: January 10, 2026From divorce to possible reconciliation to flirty NYE festivities - Cheryl Burke and resident single gal Louise are giving you ALL the latest in celebrity news.What housewife was getting cozy with her... estranged husband and which A-lister just opened up about how hurtful her divorce was??See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Hey, Louise. Nice to meet you. Hi, nice to meet you. Still single, Cheryl. So happy to still have that title.
Single and happy. Hey, even though it's the beginning of the year, there is a lot happening, obviously. In the celebrity divorce space,
So let's dive into this. Tell me about yourself first, because I feel we are doing like
headlines without really knowing you. Well, I think the point here is, is nobody's immune
from divorce, right? So I too, am divorced. Me too. Nine years. It's kind of like a really
popular club. And, you know, even celebrities, you know, experience it. And I think that's one of the
things I always pay attention to is no matter how beautiful, how amazing their life is, whether it's the
trips, the this, the that, like they are normal people who go home and deal with things that don't
make them happy or people do bad things to them. And I just think it's a universal theme. Relationships are
challenging. Especially in the public eye, I think, because not only are you having to deal with the
person you're involved with, but then you're dealing with everything else, the noise around you. So it is,
it is challenging, though I'm not Nicole Kidman or anything like that, but I was kind of in a public
divorce and that was very, that was hard for me. It's hard for me. I'm sure I'm not going to speak for my
ex-husband, but I'm sure it wasn't easy for him either. And, you know, people are still talking
about it and it's been over three years. And it's like, it's so, it just, people like to focus,
I think more on drama than the actual good parts, you know. I think it's salacious stuff and I think
it's interesting for people and it's, you know, no different than somebody in your, you know,
group of friends that gets caught, you know, sleeping with the pickleball coach and all the
clubs and everyone talk about it. It's just people like to see people fall apart.
Ball apart. Yeah. And then when they finally come out of it, they just like tear them apart still.
Like it doesn't, it just, but that says more about the person tearing that person apart than it
does about. I always have taught my children that the person who talks badly about somebody looks bad,
not the one who's being talked about. Well, it's because they're triggered. And obviously,
whatever it is that's triggering them has nothing to do with you. And it's really none of our
business what these people say about us. You know, I mean, it's easier said than done. But it really
is obviously a trigger for that person, whatever it may be, whether they are wanting to be like you
or they don't understand how you were able to come out of such darkness, you know,
to where you are today and maybe that's where they still are.
You just never know.
People a lot of times don't root for people, sadly.
Especially women.
Speaking of divorce, let's talk about Amy Schumer files for divorce from her husband,
Chris Fisher, after over seven years of marriage.
Wow.
Did you hear about this?
I did.
And they have a little one, which is, you know, which is tough.
Yeah.
So that makes it harder when there's children.
I guess she just filed for divorce on Tuesday, January 6th.
And basically it was, I guess, a shock to some people, but within their inner circle, not so much.
But it seems like it's amicable for the most part.
She said that Chris and I have made the difficult decision to end our marriage after seven years.
We love each other very much and we'll continue to focus on raising our son.
We would appreciate people respecting our privacy at this time.
I feel like everyone just says the same line every time they announce a divorce.
But it is true.
And no one's going to respect your privacy, unfortunately.
Shocker.
But I guess the source says it's close.
It's a cohesive split.
And they've just been finalizing a few things.
Remember that phrase, the Gwyneth and the Chris, what is that?
The conscious uncoupling.
Yeah.
Of all the ones that we're going to talk about,
this one actually does feel tonally like the one that might be the most benign.
and friendly, maybe.
Well, what does that mean?
Like, does that mean that they just both lost interest?
Or, like, what does that mean?
I mean, I think sometimes people just, over time, they're just not aligned anymore, or they
become more like friends and maybe the passion goes away or one grows in a different direction
than the other, but it's not like something bad happened.
Like, there was infidelity or a massive drug addiction.
It's just like our time, our chapter is.
is done. We share this child. We're always going to be a part of each other's lives. But I feel like
this is the most vanilla of the ones that we're going to talk about. I hope so. I hope that's right.
I mean, you just never know, right? Like, something could trigger somebody. Like, what if someone
starts dating before that person? Like, it can get real ugly, really fast. When you say, when you say
that maybe the passion dies down, see, for me, it's kind of like, what is, like, what do you mean
by the passion? Because it's like, the honeymoon phase is the honeymoon phase. We all go through. We all
love that, right? Like, it's always the fun moment and we all don't want it to end and it does.
No, but it does. But it does. And it's then, then that's when the dirty work comes in. And it's like,
are you willing to put the dirty work in? Because if you're not, there is no, for sure your
passion is never going to come back because you have to like reintroduce yourself to each other.
Like you guys all, we all, as individuals, we evolve as humans and it just has to, it takes work.
I almost think it's more than that because I think it's so important that the two people and the couple are actually best friends, right?
Because at the end of the day, you know, the butterflies go away.
Things change in the relationship.
But if you're still friends and you still can laugh, then you have the, you could potentially go the long haul.
I think for me, my ex-husband and I were just not best friends.
Do you mean that there was no communication?
because like what is best friends?
Like what does that entail?
Right?
Entails honesty, transparency.
It's your vault.
I think it's the person that you're comfortable, you know, being next to on a park bench,
looking at the birds quietly.
But it's also the person that you're laughing hysterically with and excited to see when you come home.
But what when two people basically are living under the same roof and there's zero communication,
connectivity, interest, and you're just coexisting.
Like roommates.
like roommates and then it's done. But the interesting thing is when you just meet somebody and it's
kind of like the falling in love, which is the exciting. The lust. Yeah. Right. But then loving somebody
is totally different, right? Yeah. And, you know, I don't know about you. I'm in my mid-50s. And I find that
I'm trying really hard when I go on a date to basically stick it out to.
go out a few more times if I don't have the butterflies because the truth is, is I used to sit
on a date and be like at point A and be like, oh, is this my person? Could I see my life of them?
Now what I do is I sit there and say, is this person interesting enough to talk to? Does he have
a good moral compass that I opened going on a second time? And then a third time. Yeah. I think that's
smart. Yeah. So the whole butterfly thing. Yeah. I think that's very high.
school maybe in a way but it's almost like those those movies that we see are so toxic those love
stories those rom-coms freaking um what's it called the notebook like first of all there's nothing romantic
about a guy stalking you like is he straight up stocked ryan gosling is stalking her and we're like
oh we want someone to do that with us it's like what this is like the wrong messaging i know but
sometimes though you say to yourself like well am i just fitting a square peg into a round hole like
it's so confusing now.
Is it confusing?
I don't know.
I'm all confused on it.
I think socially, right?
There's so many societal expectations when it comes to, like for me, I'm 41 and, you know,
people are like, aren't you so lonely?
I'm like, no, I'm actually loving my life, living alone.
And I enjoy it almost too much.
I don't have drama.
You know, I have had an interesting past of relationships where it's just following.
the same toxic pattern that I was just not a great picker. I think that people expect me,
someone like any woman in their 40s, have already have had children that have been married.
And like, then if not, then oh my God, she's not well. There's something wrong with her.
You know, and I think that's why it's so confusing. Yeah, but at the same time also, it's kind of like,
I don't know about you, but I would say 80% of my closest friends are all divorced or never been married.
and we're in our mid-50s.
So I think that the difference now is...
Are you happy being single,
or do you feel like you need to have somebody in your life?
It's interesting.
So I don't need to have somebody in my life
because I have a lot of friends,
I have a big career.
I have a lot in my day that's fulfilling.
I'm also very happy to be home reading a book
or going on a walk.
So unless it speaks to me,
I don't need my bills pay.
you know what I'm saying?
So unless it like speaks to me, my heart.
Yeah.
So I don't need it.
Would I like somebody that?
A companion.
Yeah.
But that I really like, right?
Because I go out with a lot of people that's just not totally right.
And then you throw on a person's attachment wounds.
And then it comes.
And then there it's, you get it, right?
It's kind of like.
Anxious attachment.
Avoidant attachment.
Actually, if I was into girls, then I would totally be attracted to you.
Well, anxious people love me.
You know what I'm saying?
I mean, it's like, and here's what happens.
The more they come at me, the more I go like this.
And the more I go like this, the more they come at me.
And it's having it.
But you know, it's almost inevitable that anxious and anxious and what are you?
Avoid it.
Always marry each other.
Always.
It's just unless you're secure attachment, which is very rare, especially in that Los Angeles area, I would assume.
I don't know many people secure attachment because I think we all have stuff in our cuff,
in our cup as life goes on.
And I think ultimately people just trigger
each other differently. And it's
really about do our wounds line up.
And exactly. And also
you can still change your attachment if you want to,
just saying, we're not like stuck
to this one attachment to the rest of our lives.
Okay. Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban finalized
divorce settlement
details revealed. So three months
after Nicole filed for divorce from Keith,
the former couple of finalized the breakup
in documents obtained by ENews, January 6th.
Come what May, Nicole,
and Keith will always be there for each other
until the end of time. Three months after
the Mulan Rouge actress filed to legally
end her 19 year marriage to
the somebody like you singer. The former
couple has officially finalized their divorce
according to legal documents. So basically
all in all, I mean, I don't think this is
as amical as it may sound or
I don't think it is. Sounds at amicable.
First of all, he's definitely moved on
right? I mean, from what I saw
again, I don't believe everything
you read. I know, I am
I know that, but
it happened quickly for us. Not necessarily. We don't know what happened in their world. She seemed
very much in love with him. I don't think it was her decision. Put it that way. And her daughters,
weren't they mad too about something I had read? I don't know. They're also grown enough.
They're 17 and 14 Sunday Rose and Faith Margaret, right? They're old enough to know what the hell's
going on. And I come from a divorced family. My parents got divorced when I was two. I think it's
so much easier when you're not as, you know, you're not able to really put two and two together
at that moment than to be teenagers going through and seeing your parent. I would only assume, right?
I was 13. It was awful. I remember all of it. Oh. It's very, very tough. Yeah. I mean, my first memory I
remember was my dad with another woman at two years old. Like, but again, I don't know if it would
have affected me. I think it would have affected me more if I was older, maybe. I don't know. Either
way. And it's also hard.
you worry about a parent and not the other one.
And so what I read with this, and again, not everything is true,
but whether smoke, maybe there's fire in this case.
I don't know in this one because that girl in the band or the singer
and then you see this thing with the daughters, Matt, I don't know,
seems something there.
I don't think this is as calm and friendly as the first one.
As Amy Schumer.
Yeah.
This one's a little more chocolate than vanilla.
And I don't know if they're going to be like the next headline with Kyle and, you know,
Maricio spending Christmases to go.
together and holidays together. I'm not sure they're ever going to get there as far as I'm concerned.
But, you know, I think, I don't know. From what I saw outsider, big time, don't know them
personally, but like it seemed to me that Nicole was head over heels, even was willing to deal
with his alcoholism, you know. And I get, I'm an addict. And that, if you let it take over and
if you don't, you know, want to do the steps to be sober and get better, it will take
you there, unfortunately. It's dark, but...
Sounds like she was there supporting him and very devoted and it's hard. It's sad. It's really
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What do you think of this settlement, though, in particular, I guess?
Well, I feel like we all found out about it later.
I think it had probably been going on for a while because it just seems like it got that
stamp pretty quickly. I mean, I think mine took six months, right, before that stamp came. I don't know.
What's stamp? Wait, what do you mean stamp? Like the divorce settlement stamp. Oh,
like, yeah, mine took six months at least. Right. But this one I feel like was quicker for some reason.
So the document states each party indicates that he or she does not want to proceed with formal
discovery, including completing interrogations and requests for production of documents or discovery
depositions that are designed to discover assets and debts.
So they are going to split everything, I guess.
Is that what it is?
I think that they just don't want to go through the whole thing with having all their books
opened and all the kind of skeletons taken out of the closet.
They didn't have a pre-nap, obviously.
Or they settled quietly something just to have stuff not come out in the public.
I don't know, because when you have a pre-up, I mean, I had a pre-up.
Everything was quite simple.
there was really there was no I mean there was nothing it was written prior to our marriage right like
what you know whatever it was it's like it was quite there none of this was involved like I didn't even
I feel like maybe there was an understanding like what's hers is hers what's his is his and so therefore
it was easy to bifurcate or whatever the word is on that front but yeah they had to have some sort
of agreement because they were both uber successful when they met yeah yeah yeah and I don't think
yeah exactly and they're both going to be fine without each other they're both
can support their own lives and the children's lives, I would assume.
Comfortably.
We would think.
Now, you never know.
You never know.
We don't know.
That one was a surprise.
Yeah, it was big time.
Yeah, I was definitely surprised.
I didn't even know he was an alcoholic.
I had no idea.
That was kept quiet.
I never heard that either.
That's scary.
And I have to say, when I was drinking, no one knew either because I was functioning.
So it is scary.
And she probably kept it really quiet too.
And it was probably just like a family secret or just inner circle.
And imagine like just the feelings of shame and guilt and God, it's like dark.
It's dark.
I agree.
But sad for those girls because at 14 and 17, they're still in the house, but yet they want to live their life.
Meaning they're starting probably with, you know, all the teen girls stuff and also to worry
about their whole family foundation.
In magazines.
Worrying about their mom or dad.
maybe fall. I don't know. It's a lot for girl.
Having to deal with a stepmom?
Sounds like you had a few of those.
No, not mom. I mean, my dad was,
this is a long story. Long story short,
he followed his passion, pussy, and went to Thailand,
open strip clubs. He was a very successful lawyer in the Bay Area.
And so I had a bunch of set moms probably, but we won't go there.
Rest in pace, he died. Okay.
Got it.
You turned out. All good.
So thanks therapy though for the rest of my life and I'm proud of it.
Kyle Richards and estranged husband Maricio Umanski or Umanski stand after spending holidays together.
So basically they spent, it sounds like Christmas and New Year's together.
They seemed very lovey-dovey when they went to, um, what's her names?
Some party in Aspen.
Kate Hudson, the Hudson's party.
Yes.
In Aspen, they were all over each other supposedly, but supposedly the people in their inner
circle say there's no chance that they're going to reconcile. What are your thoughts with this?
Oh, no. Like, I always kind of liked them together. Like, yeah. I kind of, of all of losing the
passion. I'm pretty sure that's what happened with them. I don't know. Like, I kind of still feel an
energy sometimes when I look at them together and they, yeah, I kind of feel like if any of the couples we're
talking about could have a potential reconciliation, it would be them because I think they were happy
for a long time or so it looked and they were married a long time. I don't know. Like I do,
I have seen couples get divorced and then I have friends that literally got divorced and are dating
again. They're dating their ex-husband. Yes. How's, oh my God, that's so crazy. So I actually think
that's, I don't know.
Like, I don't know if that's a function of like, okay, we've been out there.
We've seen what else is out there.
Like the devil I know was better than the devil I didn't know.
And we still, the good things that were in our relationship still exist, right?
And we have this life together.
So then why not do it again?
Or maybe they've been alone for so long that like they do want a companion or somebody.
He has not been alone.
No, I know him.
I'm just saying in general, the people that I've seen, you know, that get back together.
I don't know.
No, Keith, I mean.
I think honestly, you're right, though, when it comes to you, when you, you know,
you never know what you have until you actually lose that person.
And sometimes you just need a little space to bring the heat back.
It's just the way it is, you know, some space, some grace.
And maybe dating again is what makes them, you know, have that spark.
But let's just commend them for this is talk about like an actual divorce in front of their kids where everything's amicable.
They never talk bad about each other, especially, you know, for him,
when he kind of rose to fame when he did.
Well, they're not officially divorced yet. I think they're just
separated. No, they're just separate. I think
they still live together, right, under the same roof.
I believe that's what I read, but I don't know if that's true.
There's no way that's true. Maybe they do
that nesting thing. I think
they're one or two kids at home.
I mean, I think there's a reason why they're not
divorced. I wonder if it's just ugly. It would
get kind of complicated.
I think some people at this point, they figure
over with the money situation and the
kind of unraveling of the estate.
Like, why not still legally stay married?
but, you know, need separate lives.
I have seen it before with tons of my friends that they just don't break up the estate.
They still have one shared account.
They file joint tax return.
And they just live separate lives.
But they're more.
It works.
My mother kept my father's last name still and she remarried, you know.
And it's like, I don't know why.
I think because she created a business.
But when it comes to Maricio and Kyle, they had no money when they started, when they were together.
And now they have a pre-naps because at that age.
No.
What are they protecting?
But you know what's really interesting what I'm hearing now is that a lot of parents are having their children now sign pre-naps, even when there's no money and no careers.
A lot of their parents, wait, say that again?
So the theme right now, so I have children that are in their mid-mid upper 20s.
And the theme now for all of these kids is when they're getting married,
they're signing prenaps even though there's no money yet it's in anticipation of it so god forbid
the marriage goes south they already have a deal in place isn't that smart so smart i thought that for sure
this next generation too they just didn't believe in marriage for the most part so i was like god you guys
yeah i'm a millennial so like i think you know we got kind of stuck in the trauma of our generational
trouble of our parents.
The marriage thing is interesting, though, for my gender, I don't know.
Am I, I, I think maybe am I a different generation than you?
No, I don't think so.
I mean, what, how old are you?
Mid-50s.
I think I'm a different generation.
Maybe.
And if you're not, then, yeah.
Oh, I'm Gen X.
Oh, you're a good.
But it's interesting because I get asked this question a lot is, would you ever get remarried
again?
And when I first got divorced, I was like, no, I don't, why would I?
I'm not going to share money in kids.
I'm just going to do my thing.
but we could date, have a companion, I could wear a ring.
But as I've gotten older and as I think I would get remarried now,
more for the concept of somebody being able to pull the plug on me, God forbid.
You know what I'm saying?
Can you have your parents do that or your kids?
Sorry, your kids.
That's a hard thing for a kid to do.
I don't know.
Totally.
No, who knows?
I hear you.
I'm just saying my black and white.
It's just a contract, right?
like it's a contract. I mean, you can also do your like estate plan as well and you can make those
decisions that way. But they, it's interesting because the second marriages and there's a higher
percentage chance of a second marriage entering in divorce than a first because. Oh, really? Yeah.
Once a person has gotten divorced once and survived it, they say, oh, it's not that hard. So it's just
easier to throw in the towel a second time if you've already thrown in the towel. So you see that a lot more.
I just, one of my very best friends whose second marriage was 17 years, she just got divorced.
Oh, wow.
So it's, I mean, you look at most first marriages are 50%.
I think second marriages are like 70%.
It's not sad.
Well, I thought it would be the other way around.
I mean, as far as I'm concerned, I don't care either way, really, but I'm not as itch.
Like before when I first got married, I was like, yes, I need to get married.
It was more, it was more about me getting married than kids ever.
Like my whole life, it was like that.
Like, I never really dreamed of having kids as much as.
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so jaded because they look around at like, I'm divorced, my brother's divorced, my parents are
divorced, my ex-husbands that's a divorce. I mean, it's just everywhere they turn. I know.
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chose. So moving on to another divorce. Moving on to another divorce, but I really like, I don't know
her, but she seems really genuine. Jennifer Garner makes rare comments about her hard divorce from
Ben Affleck. Am I seeing things? Maybe you can confirm or not, but did Jennifer Lopez and
Ben Affleck just like get seen out together, like canoodling or is his old footage? I read that also.
I was kind of hoping he and Jennifer Garner would get that together. I mean, they were, there's no way
Jennifer Gardner would never do that to herself.
She's like, she's very, I'd say as grounded as you can be.
Yeah.
As you can be in this business, right?
She seems to be.
She seems to be very genuine and authentic.
Don't know her, don't know.
But she does seem a little too good for him, just saying.
I don't know.
Well, good girls like bad boys.
Good girls like that.
I don't think, but I don't think she's like that.
I don't think she's attached.
She's not going to go back to it.
Now, if he and Jennifer go back to the rodeo for a third time.
They are.
They were just seen together.
It's crazy.
That's just toxic.
And they both have to know that going into it.
I don't think they do.
And that's why they keep going back to it.
It's like you guys, you're an ex for a reason.
Period.
I married an ex.
It's like once something already has had the seal broken, it's still kind of exists.
Right.
It's the same person.
Like we evolve, but we don't really change.
No.
People do not change.
Yeah, not true.
Not true.
only if you're aware, if you're very much aware and like present as much as possible and you take
accountability, you can change. I change. I'm not alcoholic. Okay. I think people can, but I think sometimes
that default behavior will rear its head again in the heat of a moment. Right. Yes.
But in a conscious moment where you can stop and pause and react differently, yeah, I've made
tons of changes. If you're evolved, if you are willing to like, like take the whole thing, it has to be the whole
thing. It's all package. You have to know that you're not perfect and you're not a narcissist.
If you can do that. And you're actively doing work on yourself all the time. And so you're,
it's really about pausing and not reacting and trying to look at somebody else's lens. And
looking at somebody else's lens and just, yeah. And always know that you're a work in progress.
Everybody is. I don't give a who you are. Nobody's perfect.
Jennifer Gardner. So she's giving a rare insight into her separation. She's
spoke to Mary Claire, UK about life now in the upcoming second season of her TV show on Apple TV.
She says, you have to be smart about what you can and can't handle. And I could not handle what was
out there. But what was out there, she said, was not what was hard. The fact of it is what was hard.
She says, is the actual breaking up of a family is what was hard. Losing a true partnership and
friendship is what was hard, she said. And she says, I make a big concern.
effort to see my people as much as I can. She was basically asked, you know, how she was able to
handle all of this and she saw community. And she thinks that that's where your resilience is.
It's in your relationships and in the people who carry you through. Can you relate to what Jen said
about divorce? 100%. So it's really easy to be there for people in the good times, right? When it's
parties and cocktails and trips and this, that. You learn who your people are when your chips are
down. And you really do. And as much as it's hard to whittle it down, quality, not quantity,
matter so much more when you get to that place. Right. And so when you go through a divorce,
you learn who your friends are. And I'm super grateful for my tribe. But getting divorce is hard.
my kids were young. Nothing salacious happened in our divorce. We just were not a good fit.
But our kids were young. How long were you married for? 14 years. Wow. And we are best friends.
Oh, now you are. That's great. No. We had, when we first got divorced, our child had some medical stuff.
So we had to stay united on that front. And what I learned in our divorce is the best things of him so,
exist and the best things of me still exist. And we really appreciate that. And as co-parents,
we were like locked and loaded on that. And it was just great. Right. And actually,
we enjoy each other. I mean, we talk all the time. Does there any like, no, I love his fiance.
I love her kids. Like, we are like one big modern happy family. And I'm very grateful that I married
him and that he's the father of my children. Oh, that's nice if you were to say. Genuinely.
That's so great.
And now how long, how long did that take to get there from your divorce?
Look, when you're first getting divorced and you're just kind of unraveling everything,
it's, it takes a minute to recalibrate.
Ours was pretty easy, like within like a year or two.
But I would say we really became friends.
Like in the last couple of years, like really friends.
Like I was going to get a mammogram.
I was like, do you need a ride?
I was like, oh, no, no, I'm good.
Like genuinely friends.
And he had had some surgery and his fiance wasn't in town.
And so I picked him up.
I mean, it's like it's more like we're brother and sister.
How's the fiance handling that?
Oh, we love each other because let me chase me.
That's great.
He hasn't, he doesn't change.
I mean, he makes change.
She could have him.
No, we just sit there.
I look at her and I'm like, like, it's so funny.
But she's so great.
She's rad.
But guess what?
Age appropriate has an amazing job,
which means she has her own money, has her own children.
She's like a best case scenario.
It's not like the guy who dates like underage.
Yeah.
Dates the young girl.
Or your daughter's best friend.
Right.
Or is like a total gold digger or whatever it is.
So it's kind of like winning, right?
Right.
You respect her ultimately.
Respect her.
I want to be her best friend.
Yeah, exactly.
And how are your kids handling it?
Oh, they love it.
They love it.
They think it's great.
Initially, when you guys divorced.
Oh, they were not.
I mean, they were, they were young.
I think for them it was, yeah, I mean, I think they were, you know, second and fourth grade.
So it's hard.
Yeah, it's hard.
Thanks for sharing.
Let's move on to Tom Brady, shall we?
Tom Brady shares cryptic posts.
I think people need to literally start looking into their lives and not Tom Brady's after spending time with Alex Earle on New Year's Eve.
Okay.
I want to be Alex Earl.
I mean, first of all, who cares?
They're both of age, one, two, they could do whatever the hell they want.
I think it's cool.
They're both single.
They're both single and they're hot and they want to have a one night stand or a 10 night stand.
So be it.
And we all, I want to read about.
I mean, I watched her on TikTok in college.
Like, he's obviously.
Did you watch her on Dancing with the Stars?
I actually did not watch it on her on Dancing with Stars.
But I, I like her.
Yeah, I do too.
she's,
she's relatable for me.
I don't know.
She's cool.
And I think the two of them together
is cute and fun and whether,
I don't think they'll go to the distance.
Maybe it will,
but it kind of works for now.
Yeah.
Even if she,
how old is she?
She's,
what?
24?
25.
She's 24 and,
and he is,
it doesn't matter.
But at the end of the day,
it's not like they are having a,
I had a fair.
Like, yes,
there was flirting happening,
but like, oh, well.
Now, the only weird thing,
though,
is that,
I can see why the other party, meaning her ex, who's also a football player,
they had just broken up.
It was a little close.
It was a little close.
It was a little close, but it was also like in the same field.
You know, I can see how that kind of irks people.
Right.
I mean, it's also because he also has an age and year old child.
So it's kind of like, how old is he?
How old is he?
He is like, he's got to be in his.
late 40s, right?
Yeah.
So, but I don't know.
Maybe his 18-year-old son thought it was like, do it, dad.
Go for it.
He's probably a fan of Alex.
Yeah.
He's 48.
But then, oh, okay, okay.
It's like a 23 year different.
What's big age difference?
Who's counting?
You know what?
Hey, I mean, she's dating one of the biggest, most important football players.
I mean, I don't think, I don't see it getting so serious.
I don't know.
I mean, like, but who care.
People are still talking about it.
They may not even be talking to each other.
anymore at this point. You know what I mean? And then there'll be a new headline that comes out, right?
But they're still talking, people are still talking about it. Well, there's some cryptic posts,
right? I mean, where it talks, so I don't know. I mean. I mean, like, okay, so what are the something
you want to read them? What are, what, what, what's one of them? Didn't his ex-wife just get remarried?
She's engaged. She's about to, I think. No, she got remarried, has a, and she's pregnant. Or she had a baby.
Giselle. Right. So one of the posts said people are not beautiful.
from, so this is from Tom Brady.
People are not beautiful.
This is on January 1st for how they look or speak.
They're beautiful for how they love, care, and treat others.
Okay, great.
I mean, that's not cryptic.
Okay, okay, thanks for your message.
Right, but he's reposting it, but where is it directed to?
Who's it directed at?
But what type of cryptic, what are they,
people are reading way too into this?
Sorry, guys, I got to jump in here.
I just don't want you getting flamed in the comments.
We're reposting this on January 1st, which is when they are going,
viral for being together on New Year's Eve.
They were not, they were, it was a fling.
It wouldn't mean together.
Totally.
But I'm saying she's rubbing his back.
They're holding hands.
Like barely.
Did you see the footage?
It's not, yeah, I did see it.
By way, she wants that attention.
I'd be rubbing his back too if I were her.
Oh, does he?
Look, ex got married a month ago.
All I'm saying is it's not like, why are people drawing attention?
It's because he's literally posting this the day after he's going
viral. Doesn't he always post stuff like this? I don't know. I don't follow the dude.
It sounds like he's probably trying to like be in a situation like this because he's
probably a little stung that his ex-wife is remarried with a baby.
You guys, this is, he's the motivational speaker now. Like this is what he, so Tom Brady is
very much well respected, right, as an athlete. And he still is to this day. And he is definitely
out there doing motivational speeches and he's trying to get into that whole world. This guy,
post stuff like this all the time.
There's like, there's no cryptic.
It's also January 1st.
You need to be, if you're going to get into this world of like, you know, being somebody
that people look up to, that is absolutely normal to repost.
Yeah.
Like Tony Robbins makes a comment like that that has some depth and texture and gets people
talking and thinking.
So you are right.
He's trying to reimagine a new career for himself and he's going to go this route.
So therefore start talking about like, you know, the different things.
Like, we all hear.
millions of people look up to him. Rejection is
Redirection or, you know, saying there's all these things like, you know,
butterflies.
Does he just come out of nowhere? Like, come on. Right.
You know what I mean? This is not like some random rapper all of a sudden, you know,
wanting to be about talking about mental health. Like, no, this guy is, it fits.
Put it that way. If the she fits. Well, because he's a leader and people will respect and
listen to him. So he is somebody who could take a platform like that and make an impact with people.
And then here's another one.
It says,
A winner is a loser.
Okay, wait, the quote was followed by another repost of a graphic featuring 99 X's followed by one checkmark
that proclaimed that a winner is a loser who tried one more time.
Again, it's the same thing.
It's just a motivational thing.
You can go into my Instagram folders.
I have so many quotations and meditation.
That I manifestation things that I save all the time.
Especially on threads.
I do it all the time.
Like, come on.
No, no, boo.
people need to like literally chill yeah they're bored anyway it was nice to meet you it was
really nice to chat with you and thanks for opening up happy oh no you too of course happy new year to
you and i hope i get to see you soon or talk to you soon come visit i would love it one thing's for sure
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