The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Shower Legs and Too Many Kisses

Episode Date: February 9, 2023

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There's a lot to talk about today, not necessarily in relationship. to this episode, but the show in general. Ashley, we're three weeks in. I want to talk about my thoughts so far on this season, your thoughts so far on this season. There's a lot of things going on on the show, but are we loving it or hating it? It's going to be a good episode for that. I have a little scratchy voice. I got home last night very, very late. I was gone for three straight weeks. I'm back in Denver, Colorado now, and it feels good. Congratulations. I'm so happy for you. I hope you take time to just breathe in that fresh mountain air. It's going to be important. You know, I was in California for a bit. I missed all the pictures and the fun times that you guys had. I was there

pretty much before everybody arrived, including yourself. I got to see you for a few minutes, which was amazing and awesome. Truly a few minutes. It was like an hour and 15, and that sucked. Yeah. It was not fun for me to see. you, who I don't get to see in person very often, and they'd be like, sorry, I'm out. I was in Honduras, which was an incredible trip. And in fact, Ashley, I only mentioned it on this podcast because I talk about Honduras quite often. And, you know, it is what it is. It's a huge part of my life. But we brought a generous, like, team down and a humanitarian hope team. So the nonprofit and the for-profit company down. There was some incredible people that went with us on

this trip. It was an awesome trip. But there was also some almost famous fans who came down. And that's always really fun for me because they take the time to listen to us weekly. So this almost famous community continues to show up, to show out. I enjoy it. I know you do too. But yes, I got home late last night. So my voice is not as clear as I'd usually like it to be. Is it more Zach like? It's more Zach like. Yeah. It is more Zach, like, I, I, uh, hopefully it would speak a little faster because that's what I, okay, Ben, share one story from Honduras that we'll all find interesting or enlightening. There was many this trip, honestly. So, um, I would say we've talked about it before on the show.

And this is an important thing. One of a, somebody who was an almost famous listener, somebody who's a generous supporter and ambassador and somebody who also donated to Humanity Hope United. Her name was Hannah, Hannah Turgeon. And Hannah was just an incredible human. And I could go on and on about who Hannah was. And Hannah was 27 years old. She was living in a suburb of Denver,

actually just in a city in Colorado. And Hannah is the young lady who passed away tragically in a hit-and-run accident when she was walking down the sidewalk after a Notre Dame football game. She was hit by a driver, a drunk driver, and that driver took off. And that was three years ago. Hannah was a huge part of my life because of her work behind the scenes. She did a couple really creative ways to raise money for Humanity Hope United

and also support generous. But this trip, her family and friends were able to come down with us on this trip and dedicate one of the homes that, Hannah helped raise money for that Humanian Hope United built to Hannah. That's amazing. And also tragic. Tragic. But an incredible kind of healing moment.

It was an awesome ceremony we did. And we went to a coffee farm, an incredible coffee farm. So we got to show them everything about coffee and how it's made. And then a lot of time playing with kids. And we opened up a medical center that's recently been built. So we helped dedicate that and start that up. And communities from all over. came in to get medical treatment.

So, but the most impactful part of the trip was definitely the ceremony for Hannah. That hit deep for many. Oh, Ben, that's so sad, but I'm so glad that, like, her legacy lives on in, like, such a beautiful way. Yeah, you know, honestly, I'm just really glad her family was able to come down and see what she was up to. That meant a lot. So, we're back.

We're ready. We're going to, I mean, we're going to talk about The Bachelor. I had some great insight from what I feel like are fans of the show. still and fans of this podcast on my trip, like asking me questions about what I thought about the current season, what I think about the future of the show. And so I feel like I have some inside knowledge now from a wider perspective on how people are feeling. And I can't wait to share it with you. Well, before we start to break down to the episode, I'll share. I think people are confused, I feel like. I feel like they, what I kept getting was it seems like they want to love the show.

People today always say they love to hate the show. It's kind of been the trend, right? Like you love to hate on the contestants, hate on the content of the show, hate on each date. It's kind of the fun thing, right? That's been the trend for a few seasons, is you love to hate. It used to not be that way, as we've talked about on the show before. It used to be that people were just really loved the show and supported the people on the show and loved the love stories that existed and rude for those love stories. And I felt, like after talking to this group, and it might have been the group I was around, they still want to love the show. They just are confused at what they're watching. They're confused on what

is happening. They're confused on what has gone missing from the thing that they love for so many years of their life. And they, every season consistently got excited to watch. And so from my perspective, especially in this season, they just feel disconnected. Like they don't feel involved as a fan and a viewer. They don't feel like they are rooting for anybody. They feel like they watch it to pass the time. And they don't pass. One at one point, somebody on the trip said, they haven't shared a tear, like an emotional tear over the show in many seasons. And he's like, every season I used to cry. Every season I used to cry. But we cried with Michael during Paradise. Sure. Sure. That's true. I don't know if all these people watch Paradise. We really talk about

Paradise. Paradise is kind of its own separate, you know, beast. But they're just like, hey, I don't feel involved anymore, which I think is an interesting thing to think is, as a viewer, I feel disconnected. I wonder if our viewers or our listeners feel that way to the show. Do they feel disconnected, you think? I guess the question is, like, can we pinpoint why? Is it, I think it's just, I think in this situation, it's just the lead. I think it might be the lead sometimes. I also think that the, what kept getting brought up was, did they feel, they kept asking me, do you feel like the social media influencer thing really kind of ruined the show? And I said, I did for a bit, but I don't feel like it's a thing anymore. Like people aren't becoming influencers

from the show. So now I don't feel like that's the excuse. So what actually is happening? Ashley, I'd love to hear your thoughts. Yeah, I thought about that last night too. There's nobody on the show. I think these girls that are signing up for the show now, they know that they're not going to get a ton of followers from it. So it's almost back to where we were like in the 2010 area where it's just like you like went on for your 15 minutes to say you were on TV and it's like you're part of Bachelors Nation, which is pretty cool. But you're not maybe going to make a whole much of a living off of it

unless you really channel it into a specific way. Yeah. I think it's the disconnect with the leads and I think the contestants. And I think I have a theory. Can I share this theory? I love your theories. So you had a generation of people watching this show back in the day. And yes, there was still a gap at some level between people who were in their 20s and people who were in their 50s.

But socially, the gap wasn't that why. Social media didn't exist. And so you didn't have. people in their 20s weren't socializing in terribly drastically different ways than people in their 50s. They were still going to a bar. They were still meeting up for dinner with friends. They would still call each other on the phone or write a note. Today, people in their 50s and 60s aren't as active on social media as a stereotype and as a most part than people in their 20s and teens in college. And so people in their 40s and 40s and

50s who the show really counts on to watch this show. It's a huge demographic when it comes to people who tune in to watch The Bachelor and watch these love stories play out. They aren't relating with the contestants any longer because their lives look so different in terms of what they're doing and what they're speaking about, what they're worried about, what they're pursuing and what they're talking about. And so back in the day, you had a bunch of people, no matter what age, kind of relating with the contestants going, I remember when I was 25, 26, 27 years old and hoping to find love. I remember myself in their position. I can see myself in them. Today, I don't know if viewers that are in the four, I mean, even for me, at 33 years old, I watch people in their

20s, and sometimes they're talking about things that I have no clue, anything about. You know, I'm not that much older than them. In fact, some people are my age still going on the show? And so I just think that the, like, the relatability is a tad disconnected and might be. gone. And so viewers no longer feel like they can dive in and really see themselves in these contestants or the lead. That's a theory that I'm going to poke a hole in now with. Okay. I think that we don't even really get a gauge about what people are talking about in the real world on the show because the show conversations are always just about like, what's your past relationship and like, how do you feel about finding love? You know, everything has just been the same conversation.

for years and years, which then goes into my theory. And I don't know if I really believe my theories, but now it's just food for thought. I like food for thought. This theory belongs in congruence with yours. The show is sort of, it's been on for so long, so it, like, kind of crosses over generations like you were talking about. And I was with a producer the other day, and we were talking about, like, just, like, the trajectory of the show over the past 20 years. And it was huge, you know, huge when it first started. And then, like, the Trista season and then the few afterward.

And then it kind of died off, not died off enough, like, where, like, the show would be canceled or anything like that. Actually, the ratings were awesome. Still great, you know, like I would say, I'm going to just throw out numbers here that I feel like might be accurate. But, like, they were probably in, like, the $10 million-ish versus when Trista was on, which was probably in the $20 million, just because, you know, yeah because ratings used to be so high back then so it did sort of die off for a bit after about what i would want to say is like eightish years then it kind of got a resurgence going to say around the area the era that i started watching somewhere around alley and emily you know alley brad emily like that area and then it brought on like a whole new generation of bachelor watchers

and now those Bachelor Watchers have been watching for 10 years. And maybe we're following the same pattern where they're going to die off a little bit. Not literally. Their interest is going to die off a little bit because we've been watching for 10 years and we know the formula too well. And now the formula is getting boring

before maybe another generation picks up on it. And of course, throughout that entire time, they're like the lifers that have been watching for 20 years. That's just a theory. I don't know that I believe in it. I'm just saying that it could be. So it's cyclical. So what we're saying is we're hoping that the show finds itself back on top.

I would love to see that happen. Obviously, it would be good for our show here. And then I have another theory. Okay. This could be a little dumb. Back when I started watching, there was no social media. I couldn't scroll on, well, I could scroll on Twitter when I started watching. But I wasn't really scrolling.

going on Instagram or TikTok. And now I have this shorter attention span and I find the content on Instagram and TikTok to be more entertaining than when I'm watching on TV. So maybe the competition, the competition is higher. And, well, the competition is certainly higher when it comes to reality TV. But then, like, our attention spans are just shorter.

It could be that too. I think it's a mixture of everything you're saying. I don't think anything you're saying is not true. So we hope to see a research. just again, something we'll be following now, though, the big question is, will the show be canceled before it can become cyclical again? And if so, what does that look like? Will it go away forever? Will somebody else buy it and take it over? Yeah. You have to be seen. My guess, and I know we're just like being doomsday here, but my guess would be that it would take a little hiatus and then be bought by

another company and rebooted. Like an American Idol. American Idol. We'll see. It's all, it's all interesting. Those conversations are going to start happening. They're going to start happening very soon. And we'll be following it, trying to give the most insight we can. I think there'll be more seasons at The Bachelor, quite frankly. I don't think it's going to be canceled yet. But I do think it needs a resurgence. So it's going to be interesting for me to watch what the show does, knowing it needs a resurgence. How will it change? How will it evolve? and how will it adapt to this growing need for it to do something to bring in new viewers. That's something yet to be seen.

I'm going to post on Instagram, like today. I'm going to say, what do you need from The Bachelor to continue watching it? Or what does it need to give it a boost? Will you tag me in it? Just everybody's, yeah, I want to see everybody's responses. Thank you. And then we'll read them on the show. It's the best way because email, you know, I know email takes a lot of effort from you guys.

a little drop in Ashley's inbox, nothing. Yeah. Email's a new snail mill. Okay, Ashley, we have episode three to recap. There's a lot to talk about in terms of how you felt about the show. I know that we both felt like the content of the show really didn't pick up until the end. The end of the show really was the climax of the show. And so it left us maybe, hopefully, if we're hoping for the best, excited for episode four to continue the storyline.

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Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Sean is back. So Sean Lowe seems to be the Wise Counsel this season two, Zach. A couple questions for you, Ashley, if you know them. Sean obviously is maybe and probably the most popular Bachelor of all time. He was a part of that resurgence effort. We've seen him on multiple seasons coming back to the show and being asked to be a part of the show. It's an honor, I think, when you're asked because it means the show believes that you are worth it.

I haven't been asked in years. So, um. Ben, stop that. now and plus I'm going to go like back and it'll be like last year yeah um anyways Zach is talking to Sean this season we've seen it now twice do they have a relate did I miss this is there a relationship with the two of them before the show do you think the show sees a lot of Sean and Zach is that who they're trying to make Zach be is it is the is the is the Sean um help me make sense of why this was such a is it has been such a consistent story

Ben, I was really concerned for the show in this moment. Like, really. Because the Wi-Fi was out? There couldn't be a good Wi-Fi. There was that. There was a little glitch. Ben, I know that we've been, I feel bad. You know, I really do feel bad.

We've been talking about just the slacking of the show. This entire episode, like 20 minutes so far. And now here you bring up this point. And this moment was just like a pinpoint of the issues. It was the most pointless thing I've ever seen in my life. He goes, doesn't he say something like, I'm going to like FaceTime Sean because he's like full of advice and he's like a good guide for me or something along those lines. And then all he does is he gets on FaceTime. And he's like, hey Sean.

And then they're like, hey, Zach, what's up? Here are the kids. Yay. No advice. There was nothing. There was 30 seconds of the two of them basically exchanging pleasantries on a screen. It was wacky. It wasn't cut out. Yeah. So I mean, I know the rumor was they cut out a date with Zach's uncle who is. Oh, really? Yeah, last episode. Yeah, last episode. Oh, yeah. Well, they definitely, you know, they cut out a part of the, they cut out a part of the date last episode. Definitely. I didn't know it was the uncle. So why was this not cut out? As a viewer, Ashley, and again, I want to try to come into this because we can get very cynical and very critical of this show.

As a viewer, what are you thinking that the show wanted us to get out of this moment? Just the fact that Zach and Sean are tight. And so it will give Zach more respect. I don't think they're actually tight. But they obviously want us to believe that. They want us to think we're going back to the golden era of Sean Lowe. And, like, everybody thinks that Sean Lowe is supposed to be the bachelor that was there for the right reasons. Yeah.

Even though he wrote a book that was, was it called here for the right reasons? Yeah. So everybody thinks, even though in the book, he says he really wasn't there for the right reasons. So everybody looks to Sean like that. So I think they're trying to, like, just slam in our brains that this guy, Zach, is also here for the right reasons. And we want this have to happen exactly to him with this wife and kids for the past. 10 years. And that's what Jared was like, he watched two seconds of this episode. But he was like, I feel like they're just trying, they're just like slapping us over the head with Zach's supposed

to be wonderful. Zach's supposed to be hot. Believe Zach's hot. And it's like, well, we don't think he is, but they're just trying to like pound it in our heads. Yeah. I mean, and to give Zach credit, because I've never met the guy. Like, I don't dislike the man. He seems like he would be a great dude to hang out with, right? I don't know if he's the best lead and the best person to have on camera every week. That's still yet to be seen. We're only three episodes into this. I think he could be really good at this. I think he's probably a very nice human. But at this point, I'm not convinced that he is the best lead they could have chosen. In fact, I would argue probably right now that there's some people out there with better personalities that would still be there

for similar reasons. Does anybody, does any viewer give Zach, is anybody criticizing Zach for not being there for the right reasons? Like, isn't that already been proven? Like, no, like, they don't need to prove that to me. We don't need to know this anymore, guys. Yeah, like, I'm sure Zach's there for the right reasons. I'm sure he's very excited about this opportunity to date so many wonderful, beautiful people in one place. Yeah, I don't think this guy is trying to be famous after the show because I don't think he wants to go into acting, modeling, influencing. I don't see this in this guy's life plan. And I don't think, like, he thinks that he's fit for those careers either. No. So, like, you can stop with the proving to me that Zach is

the perfect man. Nobody's perfect. Okay. So that's just... But you're the perfect Ben. Yeah, and I wasn't. That's why he got mad at me because they were like, well, he was supposed to be perfect. And he failed at that. And I'm like, well, no. Yeah, of course I did. Nobody's perfect. But he came for the right. He came for the right. right reasons. Like can we just now move on from the idea that Zach were like Zach is a is like fine dude I think and I think he's going to be very nice through this process. But is he going to be a good lead? That's still yet to be seen. But if that was the point of this FaceTime with Sean is to prove that Zach is there for the right reasons and he is taking wise counsel for somebody that was there for

the right reasons. Okay. Cool. Okay. We get thanks. Yeah. Also we don't need to see his legs in the shower. Ben, Ben, I know that we're used to shower scenes with Bachelors. For some reason, it also feels awkward with Zach. Because, you know, he's there for the right reasons. He's not a big model dude. And didn't they say that you, like, you never got shower scenes because he felt like you didn't, it wasn't appropriate for you. Yeah. I got like one shower scene. There is one shower scene. And it felt weird. It felt weird for everybody, I think, in the room. Because they're like, this isn't Ben. Like, this is not like, nobody here is trying to prove that Ben is the the hottest most yeah most muscular like ripped dude just rubbing his chest

with soap and that oh my gosh if we could only get a peek at what's underneath like nobody thought that about me and I'm really cool with that I'm really good with that this farmer body was so good at that he was just like that hunky Midwestern body who like you know he's he's harvesting corn it really worked for him definitely worked for Nick who has like that washboard bod yeah we don't it for Zach, and it was very odd for them to show his legs in the shower. Like super weird. I don't think we've ever done a close-up of anybody's legs. No. I mean, know who you are, right? Like, hey, I know why I was there. I know who I thought I could be to somebody in that house. I know that I was there hoping to find my forever person. I didn't, right? And my life is amazing today. I'm very

excited about where this all turned out for me. But I know I also wasn't there to be the hottest bachelor that's ever existed, that women all over America would be like, oh my gosh, if I just saw that shower scene with Ben, my life would be made. Nobody thought that. And that's okay with me. Like, I'm really good with that. And that's why you don't see it. And so know who you are as a lead. I think the show needs to know who Zach is as a lead. Just throw them in a suit. Like, you know, let him sit down and have those really intentional conversations and be there, you know, give it as all. It's all we need from Zach. We don't need much more. Yeah. All right. Well, let's get into the dates.

Okay. Let's see. So there's going to be one big group date, and then there's two one-on-ones. Katie goes on the first one-on-one, and they basically go to night at the museum, which is cool for her. It's sad because she says

that it's the most romantic moment she's ever had of her life. She said she's never really had a romantic moment and of all of her life. Yeah. But she seems to genuinely like Zach. So that's nice. It is nice.

it is good to see this. She looks beautiful. Yep. The women do support her well. It looks like when she comes down, like they fire her up, which is cool to see. You don't, I mean, there's, you know, that option or you just hate on every person that ever goes on a date. And that's going to make a miserable experience. So it's cool to see that. It's really exciting to see these women support each other.

I thought this would be a, I think this would be a fun date, right? You get night at the museum. You get a museum just to the two of you. I like museums. I like to read the plaques. I don't think the show probably would have given the time for them to just sit there and read the plaque. So that would have been frustrating. But it's a sweet date, and she does seem excited.

She seems very interested in Zach. And beyond all else, I am glad that we see somebody excited about the lead here. It feels good to watch. Very well put. Now, the twist in this is that he asked her to spend. the night together now it's not a whole fantasy sweet shebang he doesn't say that we're going shibbang that's made me giggle fun intended um they don't say anything along the lines of like we're going to have private time there's not going to be no cameras it's because you know each other

it's like not like alluding to anything sexy it's a tent and there's some satin or silk paj and there are two twin beds. So they're obviously trying to allude to the fact that like, it's a nice overnight, but it's not supposed to be a shared-the-bed type overnight. And we even see Zach be like, let's push this bed a little bit closer, but it's not like he completely conjoins the beds.

It's just like, okay, we can get a little bit cozier here. And I think everybody knows that it was innocent and they probably did just talk all night. Another thing worth mentioning is we just didn't need to see, Zach in satin pajamas, because the girls talk at the end of the episode as to what gives them an ick. And I got to say, not just Zach, but any man that you're going on a first overnight with wearing satin pajamas is probably certainly going to give you an ick.

Yeah. No, I held out on my satin onesie for Jess until we got married. I was like, you're already in it. Like, this is, I'm sorry, but this thing's coming on now. and I waited this long for it because, yes, it would be interesting. I, uh, people were critical of the fact that they're spending the night together on their first date. I'm with you. Yeah, this is an expedited experience. I don't think I necessarily had as big of an issue with them staying together because I do think that's a good opportunity

to get to know each other more. Um, it was two different twin beds. And so the, at least they're trying to tell us that nothing happened when the tent closed. Who knows? I mean, that's not my business. I am interested. What I thought of when I saw this was that I expected Zach to be more hesitant physically. I thought he would be kind of more of on the lines of the bachelor that took his time, you know, getting to know these women before any physicalness came out. What we're seeing so far with three episodes in the season is Zach might be the most physically forward, like asking for time and kisses and hugs and like romance than we've ever seen, right? Yeah, but Ben, it goes back to what you're saying the first episode. It's definitely

because he doesn't know what to say. Yeah. So he kisses. I hope not. I hope not. But that's that's one of my biggest frustrations when they pick a lead who doesn't know how to carry a conversation or to ask questions that are intriguing and interesting and that gets the heart of the people involved. But yes, that is a concern. Always is. And right now, the physical connections that he's trying to make seem to outweigh the connections, you know, emotionally and spiritually and intimately when it comes

to how he's getting to know these women. And not as if it's not obvious. We know that this was all planned because there was no date. time portion of the date. So obviously to extend the date, they were going to make it overnight. And the reason that they would make it overnight is to ruffle the feathers of all the ladies. Another just assumption of my part, I feel evil. But maybe these girls aren't necessarily as riled up and obsessed with The Bachelor as they normally are right off the bat. And what better way than to get them feeling a little possessive

than to have a girl have an overnight right away. I think there's a few. I think there's a few that we could point out that would say, hey, we feel like they're really into Zach and they really want to make this work. And is it a consensus? Like, is the whole room kind of feeling like, hey, this could be my man?

No, I don't think so. And I think I would say this with referencing the people that went home on week three. Does that make sense? rougher? Like, did any of them seem up that upset? Like, did any of them seem like, oh my gosh, their husband just got ripped from their hands?

Christina. Okay. A little bit. But I think Christina will definitely get on that airplane and be like, I can get someone else. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if right now, I mean, I think towards the end,

we're going to see the people hopefully stay that are really into Zach. But I don't know if right now that's a consensus in the house. I think they're having a lot of fun together. and they're interested in The Bachelor, I don't know if they're, like, running full force that this could be their man. So strange how many times, okay, there's only two references,

but still it's a lot. Of the girls in the house being, like, best friends after being together for seven days, it's like, okay, we're being a little dramatic right now. But, yeah. It happens every season, though, doesn't it? I mean, isn't that every season where, like, where everybody in the house is so close, there's been no...

That's our best friend. You know each other for seven days. Yeah, that will go away. There's going to be some episode where the whole, all the girls just like go, you know, it just happens in that house. Like there's going to be drama that exists. There has to be drama that exists amongst the contestants. Ashley, we're going to have no drama this season.

Also, your best friend at home is offended. You're saying this. Yeah. Okay. Let's go to the group date. Ben, it's a football date again. and I'm telling you how how I was stopped with my tracks

when I saw that we were doing another football day. Why do we make these people? And then I realized it was a trend. So they're trying to purposely do it. They love the football day and they're going to continue to do it. Apparently we've done it for like five straight seasons now. There are people in charge of the show

who are very big football fans. So I think that's one thing. I think the second is Zach did play college football. And so that's another thing that he can relate with. right here. I don't know. I don't like these dates.

I think getting people just to hit each other when they're not used to hitting each other and sprinting up and down when they've been drinking and sitting in a mansion for now seven days

feels very odd. And I don't know what kind of romance comes from this. But I think beyond anything else, I did think this show did a good job with the names. I mean, Balzac's and... Ballzac.

Shalc. Balzac is Jared's fantasy name. It's my ball, Zach hurts. My ballzac hurts, you know, like Zach hurts. Yeah, I think it's, I think that was good. I mean, that made me laugh. That got me involved. But then I just kind of tune out.

I mean, if you asked me what happened or, like, who won? Same. Same, same. I'm not there. I've lost myself. Well, I really, I try not to have my phone on me during this entire episode. I did crack once we got to the second one on one. Yeah.

But I was really trying to watch. just completely straight to finish. And I was just shocked at how long we watched these girls play football. It was a long time. Again, I was like, do we not have other content to be showing? Like, we could have made this maybe a 90-second montage. I just can't envision Ashley any fan or viewer of this show at any level sitting there going, oh my gosh, I can't wait to see who wins.

Like, I want to see these women play football. I mean. Yes. As a day and as like a fun experience for them to talk about, great. But we did not need it as long as we did. Because viewership at home had there might be in somebody, please tell me if you were at home really rooting for one team or the other. But I don't think that's happening. I cannot see it happening.

For me, I'm like, oh, football. I can be watching Joe Burrow thirst traps right now. Let's grab my phone. Okay. But we, um, we do have this. football game. It's very long. We, we are sad for them because the other girls from other seasons got to go and play at professional stadiums and then they're at a high school football field. Budget. That was a bummer. Budget cuts, Ash. I know. Okay. Okay. You guys, this is like,

Ben and I are so bad. No, I mean, I think it's very true. I don't think anything I'm saying is not right. I mean, I think they could probably still get in a sofa and still do that whole thing. I don't think that's a problem for them. But it is weird to see him at a high school stadium. But at the same time, it is relating a little bit. It's way more convenient. You know that was right down the street. Sure. You know that's a, that's like a Calabasas. Yeah, it's right there. Yeah. And Zach played college football for a great university, but it's a smaller school. And so maybe this is a little bit relating to his football experience. He never got to play in the big arena. He got to play. He grinded it out on, in the high school and college.

They're making it relatable for Zach. Sure. All right. The only girl that I really remember playing football is Christina. And Christina is a huge part of this episode. At the nighttime portion of this group day, you can tell she is, she's drunk off her ass, people. She is a tipsy queen. She kind of keeps relating to, like, her last week date, which is her one-on-one with Zach and tells all the girls like, oh, yeah, well, you would, if you knew this, you would know this about Zach, you would feel this more of a connection if you have been on a one-on-one like I did. And the girls are getting really annoyed by this behavior. It's annoying.

Is it evil? No. It's like, this girl is just like. being dumb she's drunk and reminiscing on her date from last week but the girls are like well you know they're just they're just they're they have to find something to be annoyed at and it's going to be her meanwhile bailey is having a convo with zach where she's like i feel like the spark that we may have had like the first time we met is gone and then she says she's looking for reassurance in that moment, but then Sack comes back. And he's like, you know what,

me too. I don't really feel the spark anymore. And instead of being like, let's see if we can get to know each other and reinvigorate it. They say, let's resume the conversation a little bit because they're interrupted. And then they do have another moment to talk about it. And he basically just eliminates her right then. She's very shocked. The girls are shocked. Ben, you are, you know, her, uh, Jess is friends with her from Tennessee. Got to know, uh, what you heard from her when you got back, when she got back. Well, I mean, I think it was time. I do. I don't, I mean, I really, even like week three, like you can't take her a little bit further. Oh, I think he should have. Bailey's great. Yeah. Like, I think, I think he should have. I think he should have pursued

whatever could have been there. I mean, there is no doubt that she should be there for five, six, seven weeks. Um, she maybe didn't make, need to make it to hometowns, because if the spark's not there. It's not going to happen. I'm... Oh, yeah. But if I was Zach, I would have said, hey, this is an awesome person and she's beautiful and she's kind and the girls like her and she seems to be getting along here pretty well.

Yeah, maybe that spark at the beginning is gone, but it's been a week and there's a lot going on and maybe I just keep her around to see if something can come back. I'm confused at what Zach's decision making was here, but I also have a little bit of personal interest in it. And so I was like, okay, Zach. I mean, that's cool. You want to throw somebody, you know, she'll be better off. She'll go to Paradise.

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or wherever you get your podcast. Christina says something about her elimination in front of the girls. She goes, wow, she was my roommate, but that was inevitable. And now everybody's really annoyed her, but I kind of think it's funny. Yeah. She's like, I'm being honest. I'm just being. honest and these girls don't like it and it's kind of true.

Sure. Yeah. You know, it's like sort of. I mean, yes, she has no filter. Most of us wouldn't say anything like that. But it goes back to how I had a rant on my season and I was like, wait, why are you guys so sad about other people leaving? And why are you so sad about, why are you so happy and excited when other people get a date? That's so fake of you. We're not actually that good of people. Sure, but I remember when Jared got his first date, I was pumped for him. I love Jared. I wanted to see him feel validated. Did you have a date first? Yeah, I did. Exactly. No, I did. But it was a... If you hadn't, you probably wouldn't have. Because after you have your date, then you feel like you can just like rest easy and kind of be happy for other people for a while. Yeah, I mean, I was excited that he was getting his... Oh, but you're saying Christina already had her date. So she should be in this, yeah, she should be a little bit more generous right now. Okay, fine. You're probably right. side note christina was uh the most followed person on the show going into this episode even above Zach by a lot um so a fan favorite you could say or somebody the fans knew the most oh just knew

the most of or were following the most um did get eliminated in week three that's a little surprising she's a content creator though she like has been trying to build this following for a while yeah she has like a hundred thousand on TikTok she has more than Jared and I have on TikTok sure that means like she really has been trying to grind at it. She works hard at it. So far, what we've seen in a trend with Zach, wanted to continue as a lead, is when women confront him about feeling a distance or a disconnect.

He doesn't and hasn't responded with, yes, let's try to make it work. He must be giving very clear signals to these women that, hey, I'm not interested in you. Maybe we're not seeing it on the show, but they obviously are feeling enough to say, there is something happening here, Zach.

You're not interested in me Is it worth me being around? And that's interesting just to watch as the season plays out, is how clear is he on who he likes and who he doesn't like? Oh, it's obvious for us watching, you know? Because we all knew that he was very disinterested in Bailey for some reason. He doesn't even look around. He wasn't even looking around the eye that last week.

It's like his body language is very off. Like he's not a good actor or he doesn't intend. Well, I guess he just, you know, he's there for the right reasons. He doesn't intend to act. at all got to finish up with the group date though because when he gives charity the group date rose christina keeps saying she's confused did i do something wrong yeah and i don't want to keep insidding the girls drunk but this is some drunk dialogue and then she says i just wish it was me and it's like yeah of course you wish it was you she's just she's just drunky girl and she's saying

the things that she's thinking in her head out loud. The girls are like, you know, you are always making things about you. And I can see that is very annoying. And she does. She just has no filter. She just is saying what basically everybody there is thinking and that's somehow annoying. I'm not trying to defend her, but I think we all think, like, not as nice thoughts while you're, like, getting, while you're not receiving roses, then we like to put out there.

And having no filter, being honest, some would call it, is one thing. Being wise and how you're affecting the people around you is a whole other thing. Okay, thank you. The issue is with, is what I'm saying, helping or hurting? And why am I saying what I'm saying? Is it making people feel better or worse? Yes, we all have critical thoughts. But like you sift through that to speak wisdom in the right situation.

and if the time's appropriate and you have the opportunity or ability to be honest, great. But just doing it all the time ends up just hurting everybody around you. So well put, Ben. Thank you for saying that. Exactly.

Like, there's a reason that we don't say everything that we think. And that is because we try to be kind to people. Slow to speak, quick to listen. There you. Oh, such a good one. Such a good one. Meanwhile, back at the house...

The final day card of the week arrives for Allie and how does it get to her in the form of a wedding dress box in which I roll my eyes so back. I roll my eyes so far back in my head. There's another wedding dress. We're doing another wedding dress theme. Come on now. Come on. The fans love it, Ashley. I mean, it's a fan favor.

You get a bunch of people in a wedding dress and a suit and a tux and everybody goes, Oh, this is so fun to watch. Great content here. Well, we have to give them a little credit. This one's not a real wedding dress. It's a wedding pants suit with a cape. So it is a step up. Better.

Yeah. It's way more modern. And they're going to jump out of a plane with her in this outfit and with him in a tux, tux her suit. And I was thinking, like, what are the safety of that? I feel like, and like, what's the comfort level of that? She's got sleeveless outfit on. have you you have never skydived right yeah i have no clue i have no comment here on we need dean we need dean to say like how uncomfortable it is to not have sleeves while skydiving i bet it's not that bad i've seen

people do it shirtless oh okay that's a thing so can be i don't know why i was so concerned about their attire wall well skydiving well you're not necessarily hitting anything on your way down and if you do that's a bigger problem so okay well obviously that's an exhilarating date It's, I think it's the classic date of, I think it's the, um, the date activity that we see pop up very rarely, but like every five years on The Bachelor. I remember Colton doing it with Tasha. How would you feel in getting that date card and finding out that that's on your, that's what you're doing on your date? Because I, I feel like this is like the one time where I'd be like, oh, in the contract when I did actually sign away my life, it could be at risk.

Yeah. I don't think I'd love it. I didn't have many. dates like this. But heights and I got lucky. My knee was still pretty bad when I was the bachelor. And so they really protected me on any type of extreme dates because my knee was still giving out often. And so I didn't have to do anything that crazy. But I don't think I would love it because I'd be freaking out. And you should be freaking out. If it's your first time jumping out of a plane, you're going to be nervous. And, you know, as the lead, like, protect the women. And like, at that point, I'm only thinking about myself. Like, I am only thinking about how in the world I'm going to get myself to jump out of this

plane and what's it going to mean when I do? It would be a really hard date for me to be caring and considerate on, I guess I would say. Oh, yeah, totally. You're definitely self-centered than that. But I do think that it's a date that is hard not to bond on. You just skydive for the first time with somebody. And I can't imagine what that natural high is like. You guys have definitely, you're definitely bonding with all those chemicals running through your

brain. And I also think it makes probably for an easy dinner date conversation because you could probably just talk about that for a while and you're just pure, you're just blah, you know, like, what we, you know, like, just imagine what you feel like for the rest of the day. Yeah. My, yes, it should make a very easy dinner conversation. You should have a lot to talk about. I don't know if they do.

And then we went up the blade And then I felt like this And then when the door opened And then when I was Then before the parachute pulls My question here is You know, yes, you have a few bad dates Everybody out there's had a few bad dates

Where it feels like you have nothing to talk about That happens It's happened to all of us But those are fairly rare Like those are, they stand out to you Because they happen so Irregularly In most people's lives

When they're in the dating world Yeah, you can usually figure out something to say. Yeah, so I, yeah, Zach just should have something to talk about. Like, he should be really good at having conversation with people if he's going to lead a show about dating people. So I hope he's good-headed. I don't know yet.

Well, the two of them do seem good at it. They like each other. They have a nice little date to Griffin Palmer singing. It just seems like a pretty easy date. I will say that I don't feel like any massive sparks between them. I don't know that this is a couple to really watch out for. But people who like each other and we'll see where it goes. Yeah, it's that right now, right?

It could be a sneaky one at the end that we're like, hey, this blossomed in week three. It could be. Could be sneaky. But right now, yeah, I wouldn't make my top three. Mm-hmm. And now they have exchanged the formal, you know, rose ceremony cocktail party for the classic once-a-season pool

party. So Brianna, who we have seen just not jive with Zach at all, ever since she got America's rose back during the after the final rose, she keeps coming up to him and being like sad. It's like, today I had a bad day because of this. Yesterday I had a bad day because of that. It's like obviously he's not going to be into this girl who just keeps complaining about her days here. But she does come up to him this time and goes, I'm having a bad day because I just am not feeling a chemistry really with you. And I'm feeling sad because these other, this girl, Christina in particular, is making me just not feel comfortable. And we all know from last week's episode that Brianna didn't like the fact that Christina said, you got the

you got the America's Rose or you yeah she goes like you got America's Rose I hate you just kidding it's like yeah that's kind of like a millennial Gen Z expression I hate you oh I hate you when we say that when we're jealous that is not something to be offended by of anything it is something to actually feel kind of good about it means that somebody is a little envious of you especially in this situation it's probably kind of a nice thing to hear she wasn't meaning anything bad by it. But anyway, since Christina continues to be self-centered and be completely unfiltered, she's not just rubbing Brianna the wrong way, but she's obviously rubbing a lot of the girls the wrong way. But Brianna between that quote drama and the fact that she's just not feeling

anything with Zach, she decides that she's going to leave. But of course, before she leaves, she's going to call out Christina. And Zach is surprised because he obviously had a really nice one-on-one with her last week. He sits down with her. And she, you know, she kind of explains what I just said. Like, she was, didn't mean anything bad by any of this. She's kind of confused that the girl's interpreting her, her, you know, personality like this. And, you know, he kind of leaves it a little bit open-ended until the rose ceremony in which he illuminates her. How do we not know when somebody really means it when they say, I hate you?

now then it's the tone you know it no i don't know if somebody looked at me if somebody looked at me and said ben um you did this i hate you i'd be like do you really mo my follow up would be do you really hate me for this like is that what you mean and they would have to explain to me no or yes they do but if somebody said they hated me even in a joking manner i'd be like maybe you do a little bit let's talk this out no come on you've never had some i feel like i would say that to you too like say you. You've never said that to me. You've never told me you've hated me.

I can't think of anything that I would say that to you, but. You've never told me that. So, no, I don't think I'd handle it well. I would at least ask for, I would ask for clarity. That, that expression doesn't make sense to me is, hey, you have all this success. I hate you. It's like, oh, you might. Oh my God, I hate you.

That, Ben. You might, you might meet a little bit of that. Like, we're jealous people. Yes. We're envious. It is envy. It is not like, we're not, we're basically saying, yeah, I'm jealous. It's our way of saying, it's our way of not saying, I'm jealous of you. Oh, my God, I'm so jealous. See, I would probably say that. Oh, my God, I'm so jealous. Which is just saying the word as, you know, it is. And you're admitting to being jealous. And I think the whole reason of saying, oh, my God, I hate you is that you don't actually have to say, I'm jealous. Yes, that is fair. But in this sense, scenario, you know what I would say if she said this to me is you are telling me that I got America's rose, which means Zach didn't give me this rose. Are you hinting at the fact that Zach really doesn't like me and I'm only here because America asked me to be here? That would be

how I follow up this conversation because what you're saying is a little bit hurtful because you're pointing out that that first rose was not up to the lead of the show. It was up to America to vote upon, which is a very nice gesture to get that rose. Priyano was probably a little insecure because of that. You know, we think that we put her in a position to feel good about ourselves as voting her as America's Rose, but like really it's America's not the guy and he's going to feel obligated to keep America's girl around. Yeah, it's not like he ever said, I'm so glad you've got America's Rose because I wanted to give it to you also. No, she's probably a little insecure. Yeah.

All right. Well, who did not get a rose at this rose ceremony? Was it only Christina? yeah everybody else is bouncing oh my god it's because because because she was the only one left he was he was going to eliminate three but bailey and brianna had already gone home so that that's hard it's week four so we're getting a little farther along i always say and you've heard up before on this podcast week five is when i really get interested again i feel like week like three through four really one and two don't really carry that much weight to me but week five is when

you can really start to dive in, see these relationships form. We should expect to see relationships form. It'll be interesting to see what happens next week. I'm sure there's going to be somebody else that goes home. So far we see a trend where people aren't super upset to go home, which is interesting. We'll see how that plays out. So far, Ashley, we've done it every season, so it's not like this is new. How do you feel about this season?

Let's do a scale of A to F, A being really good. Man, stop. Why would you do this? we already roasted them. I don't think we've roasted them. I think we've pointed out what we see and what's happening. Okay, well, oh, God. Again, I don't know if I, I, I don't want anybody out there listening to

think, I've said anything critical about Zach. I don't know Zach, right? I don't have any, I'm sure he's a nice man. I'm sure he's a fine dude to be around. I don't, it doesn't make him a good or bad person to not be the best possible choice as a lead of the show. That, like, has no weight on who he is and what, his character is represented by.

But so far, you know, I would say, hey, I'm still wondering where he's going to blossom at because we haven't seen him blossom. But I'm not mad at the guy.

You'd be like, but hey, I give the show a D. Sure. Yeah, right now, I would give the show a pretty low score. I'd say this is hard to keep watching right now, and I'm excited for it to pick back up again.

We will keep watching it here. We'll keep breaking it down with you. but I, the mark of a good show for me right now is I don't think about The Bachelor at all. Like, in fact, when our screeners come up, like, I have to remember to even open it up to watch it right now because it's just not something on my mind where in past seasons, even including last season, there were weeks where I could not wait to get the screener to see what happened next. I haven't felt that yet. Even with Clayton's season, yeah.

Sure. Yeah. So I haven't felt that yet, which is why I give it a D as well. but hey a lot of room for growth a lot of upside coming our way i believe in it we'll see it um i'm hoping it happens next week hey ashley we have headlines to break down there are some really exciting headlines to talk about um and so let's take a break when we come back we got some love stories we got some drama um we got some things just to sit on and and meditate on and and walk through but we do have headlines right after this

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This is awesome. They got married on a Tuesday, which is like kind of cool and it feels spontaneous. Like they just went to the courthouse and got married. That's not how it went, but it was definitely a smaller ceremony. I think the ceremony took place where they had their first date. And it happened days after her wedding dress was stolen from a car. I should have known that the wedding was coming up because girls usually don't get their dress, you know, until like a week before the wedding. So, but I was still like so surprised to see that they were actually married and just so, so happy.

they went public with their relationship in September. I think they started dating in early summer, and it seems really fast, but I think, like, at the ages that they're at, she's 41. You just know, and we're just so happy for them, it's everything we've wanted for Claire. Yeah, this is a big day for Bachelor Nation. Claire Crawley is now married.

Wow, let's do it. Let's celebrate that. Next headline is this. This is one that I saw last, week when I was in Honduras and it hit hard because yeah I know Sarah and she's awesome but Bachelor nation Sarah Heron and fiance Dylan Brown reveal newborn son Oliver died in his dad's arms this according to us weekly uh I literally there's just like no there's no words um this is one of the saddest things I've really ever heard and it's horrible that it happened

to somebody as wonderful as Sarah. We were together in Monterey, Carmel, together as Bachelor family when this news came out. You know, we talked about it and there's, but then there's like really like, I'm sorry, I'm going to be like super inarticulate when it comes to speaking about this. It's just like the most unbelievably tragic thing ever. And I think you read these things and you have like a heavy heart

and everything when you're not. a parent but then when you're a parent it's just hits you in a whole different way yeah we've just been thinking about them and praying for them all week and i just don't know how you come back from this like emotionally um but here i'll i'll read what i can't do it you want to do it for me i can yeah i'll read through some of this uh for everybody i don't think i could read this out loud no that's fair that's fine Here on via Instagram on Wednesday, February 1st, while honoring the late infant, there are no words for the magnitude of loss and pain we're experiencing.

It's beautiful and simultaneously tragic. He had my nose and his dad's mouth and long fingers. She continued, Oliver, our IVF miracle, defied so many odds and fought through so many hard milestones to be here, but the higher power still had other plans for the three of us. our time together was short but we are grateful for the days we had with oliver in my belly he has taught us so much about the grateful he has taught us so much about the integrity of life love and death oliver filled our home and our hearts with so much love and most importantly optimism the stars aligned to create baby oliver with a deep meaningful purpose bigger than we'll ever

understand. His body was small, but his legacy will always be larger than life to us. We're thinking about them and so many others who have experienced this. And yeah, we'll continue to think about them. An odd gear to shift here to more headlines, but they are headlines. Rachel and Clayton spark dating rumors. This is according to page six. I'll just read the next headline as well, Ashley, because they go together. Bachelor star Rachel says, no, I'm not dating Clayton, but clarifies reunion rumors. That according to TMZ. And to us who brought them together in Carmel, California for this podcast. So we saw all this unfold in our eyes. What's started to spark these dating rumors.

It's a TikTok that Rachel, that Rachel had an idea for, and Michelle taped it. And it was really funny and I'm glad I got to see it firsthand. But I think there's a trending sound on TikTok right now that's like, what's going on? If I were to explain it to you, it would give us both an aneurysm. And basically, it's Michelle looking at, looking at Clayton and Rachel together. and they're like, we'd explain but it would give an ass and aeerism and they're both like kind of smirking

and shrugging and it's really funny it's truly like the perfect TikTok for the two of them to record when together one just for laughs and two, yes, to get back to your nation's tongues wagging. Yeah, people got very exciting. Yeah, so no, they are not dating but the two of them did spend

some solid time together as a group I think, just as a group with us. And they got along really well, just tell you from being there. The two of them were sitting around, you know, a circle around the fireplace with us. And they were sitting next to each other. And they

were very deep in conversations sometimes. And while I try not to ease drop, yes, I did. They were definitely rehashing a lot of stuff from their time together. Talk it out. And that wasn't the only time. I also heard that

they were like sitting on a couch before what i think when we were doing the hunday commercial and they were like spending an hour just like kind of talking about the past but all like very in a very friendly sense kind of like like they're working through it and they were saying things that you know like any kind of couple having not seen each other in a while might bring up don't ever say that the almost famous podcast doesn't care about healing past relationship Never say it because this is a tangible example of us doing something really good for headlines and for the two of them. For headlines for sure. Well, Clayton also smashed the rumors of reconciliation with our next headline.

Yeah, the bachelor. He was spotted. Yeah, go for it. The Bachelor's Clayton spotted with sports reporter Sarah Cardona after Susie Evans split. This according to Yahoo. Do you know who Sarah Cardona is? I think she's a local news reporter. Okay.

Yeah. Because I know that like when he was spotted at this game on the Jumbotron with her. Was it the Jumbochon or are people just like taking pictures and? There's a Jumbotron. Because I saw a video of him dancing and I was like, we've seen this before. No. Okay. So like the two of them are out and I was like, oh, am I supposed to know that girl?

But basically it was just like, oh, no, he's on a date with somebody else. So I guess the Rachel stuff isn't a thing. And I guess this would probably make headlines either way, even if the Rachel stuff wasn't out there, because it's like Clayton on his first public date with another public personality, even if she is, yeah, she's the local ABC affiliate sports report. Do we even know it was a date? Do we have confirmation it was a date? Come on now. Okay. Next headline is this. Caitlin Bristow says producers sexualized Nick Vile to her, licked lips after they killed. This, according to Cosmo. Okay, this is pretty freaking gross. So after Nick and Caitlin would kiss, there was one producer, Caitlin said, that would be like, oh, I just want to know what it tastes like to make out with Nick.

And she would come in and she'd wipe Caitlin's lips and then lick her own lips. and that and then be like oh yeah it's what it'd be like oh and i'm like okay that's really really not good um and that was what she thinks is like them like brainwashing her and putting him on a pedestal to her like oh man like that guy like you get that guy that must be something to experience she thinks it was a tactic on you know uh on her on Nick like yeah the tactic trying to make Nick seem so desirable exactly thank you well next headline is you got nothing to say about that no I think it's weird like I think it's they that's so weird could you imagine just somebody touching your own mouth no with their fingers I don't like anybody

touching my face like that's actually that to me is the more disturbing part is like somebody took their fingers and rub that on my lips. That's weird. I don't even know who she's talking about. I can't even think about who she's talking about, but whoever it is. I think I might know. Yeah. Well, Chris Harrison and Caitlin Bristow hash out their bachelor beef.

This is according to CNN. Well, I haven't listened to this podcast yet, but Caitlin said last week that she had, you know, reached out to Chris, especially at the time, you know, it was awkward. of course, like it felt like there would be awkwardness when she got the hosting gig and she said to him, you know, she texted him talking about that and she never heard back. So she said that she had ghosted, she had been ghosted by Chris. But then after this came out, he had her on his podcast this week, which is a great get for eye heart. Congratulations to our team for just murdering this opportunity. And they had that. two-part episode, which I haven't listened to yet, that they just kind of talk all of that out. It's worth listening to. It's a podcast worth listening to, the most dramatic pod ever. Like, back in the day, she used to joke, when Jason proposes, he has to ask my dad, my stepdad, and Chris Harrison. Like, that's how close they were, and that's how much of a father figure she saw him as.

But then all of a sudden, she just, she said she didn't hear from him again. And, yeah, so they get to talk it out. on the podcast, definitely listen to that. It's the most dramatic podcast ever. And they obviously answer all the ghosts in the room. Yeah. And there are some real things that they're talking through. These are real life situations. Chris Harrison also says that Chris, Caitlin Bristow and Tasha Adams

were set up to fail as Bachelorette co-host. This is according to people. Yeah. What do you think, Ashley? This sounds juicier than it is. he basically just says that there's not enough room for two people

to be host. Like he says that the show was not designed for two hosts. He says there's not room for two emotions in that mental space that you're taking over so it's never going to work. Like basically he's saying that like you can't confide in two people

when you're the bachelor. Like you're going to just want to talk to one person. You're not going to want to explain your feelings to two people. And I don't really know that that's why didn't work out for them having being long-term hosts could have been what I don't I don't know because I think everybody

enjoyed them as host but I definitely think the vibe was always put out there that was going to be a temporary thing sure well that is what Chris told Caitlin so he felt that way Caitlin well you can listen to it see if she agreed or disagreed

final headline is Bachelor in Paradise's Astrid and Kevin expecting a second baby Quotas, we're celebrating. This according to people. This is very exciting news. The two of them had their first baby 14 months ago, August. And now they have another one on the way. They talk about it on their Instagram. So if you guys want to know about this fertility journey, go ahead and check out that post. Well, that's all we have for you today on the Almost Famous podcast. We'll be back next week. We came out with a lot of content last week from Carmel. by the sea. Again, we had some incredible Bachelor Nation people with us. I was there for a few days and left so everybody else could have more fun. But you should go back and listen to those shows

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