The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - So Unserious with She’s All Bach

Episode Date: March 12, 2025

Podcasts collide when Almost Famous hangs out with Stefanie Parker and Jackie Maroney from “She’s All Bach”! With all these experts together in one place, we go deep to try and figure out how to make The Bachelor better, including what’s REALLY going on behind the scenes of Grant’s season. Plus, we have some secret info on the controversial way Grant might pick his winner!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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don't want to ever meet them. You can literally talk all the shit you want. Yeah. It's true. We're very unfiltered in that way. It's such an honor to hear that you think we get like such juicy clips and interviews and stuff. That's what we have been trying to do over the years. But yeah, we agreed. We sometimes can say whatever we want because we don't have to meet these people. The problem comes in

sometimes when then we do. And they're like, you said about me on this podcast. This, this, this. And I'm like, oh my God, I'm sorry. I forgot that sometimes bachelor people also then listen. No, I will say we do like to obviously be fair. And we try to obviously keep that in mind. And we always

tell our listeners, like this is about an edit on a TV show. It is a TV show at the end of the day. We almost talk about it like characters because it is characters. They're not, you know, we're watching a scripted, not a scripted TV show,

but an edited TV show, obviously. So we like to keep that in mind. All right. So we want to talk about Bachelor on a macro level on this podcast. Basically talk about all the things that Ben and I pepper into episodes throughout the year, right?

I think the number, one question is when did the show go awry why did it get off the hinges after it seemed to be recovering after Joey's season after Joey's season was like we are back on track

we are a great show there are TikToks and memes being made about The Bachelor how hot and charming he is and now all of a sudden we cancel Bachelorette for the season because you don't have enough spark in the franchise what's going on in your opinions well what is going on maybe you know more than us no no no i talk

about this all the time i need to know from the outsider perspective well but wasn't there some deadline article that um yeah the reason why bachelor actually isn't coming back is because there was drama with um producers and stuff and then they weren't able to kind of agree on like a vision yes there seems to be that yeah it seems to be more about casting than it was about ratings we heard your tea about the Rachel Rechia and Maria well what's interesting about the Rachel thing is Rachel texted me after that podcast and she goes I didn't hear from them whatsoever

so that may have been behind the scenes rumblings like as in the producers were considering her but she didn't get the word yet because like they weren't agreeing interesting my take is that like it I'm really excited that they're shaking up Bachelor in Paradise with Jesse saying that in two weeks they're going to let us know like what they're really doing with Bachelor in Paradise and how it's going to be different. I do think it's time for them to shake up this model. And I think the only reason why they didn't say it about the Bachelor 2 is because the Bachelor is currently airing and we're not going to get another Bachelor

season until next year. And I think by that point, maybe they will have made some changes. So I don't know. I think that could be, they want to make some changes behind the scenes. And in order to do so, they maybe need to take a season off to, like, I don't know, hire different people. Yeah, get in a boardroom and figure out what the hell they're going to do. But we'll see. I'm excited for it. I do think after all this time, we may need to shake things up a little bit. And what does that mean to you?

Do you have suggestions? To me, at least, I feel like, and I think we talk about this a lot, too. Like, the audience has, we've all been watching reality TV now for years and years and years. I think the audience gets a lot smarter about some of the classic tropes of like some frank and biting or some editing. And we're, we always talk on our podcast and we try to make sure we're like, okay, this person said this to this person. But did you really see them in a two shot? Like what's actually going on? And I feel like the past few seasons, they lean in a lot to this very forced manipulated drama. And I think it would actually be a better experience. If we acknowledge

like, hey, the audience is smart. They know what's going on. Like break the fourth wall a little bit and kind of let actual genuine drama unfold. Sorry, Stephanie, I interrupted you there. What were you going to say? No, that honestly, a lot of that. But like it is 2025 and I feel like they're not really adapting to the current times. I do think breaking the fourth wall would help love to break the fourth wall. Those are the most exciting moments. It's the best. Yeah. Even in the women tell all recap that we just recorded, the girls yelling at Carolina and saying like, you shouldn't have pulled Grant at this point because you already had a rose. Like all this stuff. you are actually taking this seriously, why does it matter who has a rose? Like she's just trying

to pull the guy and talk to him. So I hate like the rules. Like let's actually, if you're actually going to convince us that these are girls really trying to date a guy and find a fiancee, then actually do it. But in order to have to like follow certain rules and I don't know, roses are just flowers outside of the bachelor world. So why are we like treating it any otherwise? Like it's so crazy in this bubble and I think we should pop the bubble a little bit. Okay. Yeah. And I think that they should, as I've said so many times before, the audience probably thinks are a broken record. But it's like, we need more funny, lighthearted moments. We need to show how the date actually was not just the serious conversations that happened for like 20% of it.

Because I find that you see the real connection in those moments where Carolina says, will you make out with me intensely? And then can I smell your armpits? Which is the weirdest thing. but that's freaking funny. And obviously, like they had a comfortability in which she could say that. And then it shows that she's funny.

Yeah. And then it leads us to then want to be more invested in these people down the line too. I think sometimes what I've been struggling with as a fan of the show is because they're only showing us those very, very small, oh, let me tell you my trauma moments.

And we're not seeing as much of people's true personalities. Then as the show, once the show, once the show ends and the season wraps, I'm not as inclined to like want to follow, want to keep up with what they're doing. If they are brought on to Bachelor in Paradise or if they pull someone from another season to be a lead, I want to be more invested in their story.

And I think we need to see more of those authentic, funny moments so that like we are invested. Like I think you're actually a perfect example of this, actually because we have seen so many like authentic moments from you over the years. So people continue to keep up with you. They listen to your podcast. They follow you. Like the contestants now are not getting the same type.

of followings in the same types of engagement as they were back in your era and I think that's part of it. Like huge differences and yeah I know social media and just following in general is a little less of a thing these days

you know like our algorithms aren't designed as much for follows but like the difference is immense and a difference well shows the decline in ratings of course because there's like one fourth of the audience that we had during my season so obviously that's reflected in it

and then I do think there's just like a general like disinterest in following them beyond the show and I think that we need to bring stuff back like talking to parrots like I think it was hilarious when they had me talk to a parrot and that was the parrot was the producer like those ridiculous yeah no Claire had a raccoon I know but like the same same kind of thing exactly exactly because so much more fun also like you know that that's a producer and that makes this conversation is funny too. I know that's just like a paradise thing, but... Do some people. There's like definitely an audience of people

that don't know. I feel like still two days. Yeah, it's really scary. Very alarming. Yeah. No, it's weird. Because like on our show, our show's all about like exposing what's really happening and trying to see the edit behind. That's what I like to do when I watch the show. Like how did this really unfold? Like even Carolina,

not to keep bringing up woman to all, but her walking off stage, sure, she may have walked off on her own. But I can also see a producer on like the outskirts being like, come here, you're upset, come here, let me get you to get her off and then they get the scene they want. And I feel like there's still people that see the show at face value. Like when someone gets a bad edit, they're a bad person. And we like opening people's eyes to the fact that like I think the real villains, sorry, every season are producers, not the people on the show. Sorry if I, I don't know if I can say that here. Well, production has really changed since I've been there. I don't have a lot of close

ties there. It depends. It depends on who you are talking about and too. And I have a few there that I do love so much. And I do genuinely think that they care about me. And nobody can convince me otherwise. Sure, Jan. Yes. No, no, really. It's so crazy because last season, I saw it again through like the eyes of being a contestant when I, you know, I signed my friend up, Sydney, for the show. And I would have people come at me in my DMs being like, she's a bad person, like she's this, she's that, like she's evil, she, whatever. And I was like, this is so, you guys, I just need you to like take this a moment to really think about this. You are DMing me about my friend who I've known in real life for two years now.

And you're telling me that what you have seen on TV and only the clips of that. that you've seen on TV means that you know her more than I know her. Right. You're a bad person. Yeah. You're a bad person for being her friend.

Why don't you know about her? I didn't get any of that, which was... Oh, really? Okay. That was surprising, actually, that I didn't get more backlash for just being friends with her.

But, like, it was crazy how people were like, no, no. Like, she's bad. Like, you really think that what you're seeing on TV is more than what I know of her. It was really fun. It was funny, honestly.

for my perspective you know it was fun for me and it was not fun for me to have to her obviously be so sad but it was so interesting to see it when they're not talking about you yeah those crack me up too because it's like okay if she's such a bad person you are bullying a stranger on the internet so like what does that make you like the people who actually go to message these things are like oh that person is a bad person that person's a bad person it's a bad person it's like Okay, but isn't it also kind of bad to just be sending strangers messages that these people are bad people? It's just so funny to me. We literally tell people that if you're the type of person that goes in the comment section and harasses people from the show because of their edit, like, please don't listen to our podcasts.

Like, I just don't support people that act that way. And they are like the prime example of the people that don't get it. They literally think the show is what it is. And it's not an edited show. Yeah. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.

This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him?

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of Family Secrets. Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. okay so what do you guys think about grant he's hot i like him yeah i've been pleasantly surprised by grant i think um for a lot of the past few seasons i've felt frustrated when they announced the lead because i feel like they haven't done a great job of showing us like contestants true personalities when they're on their season so then they announced them as the lead and like wait who what was their situation so i felt a little bit that way about grant but i feel like i feel like come to get to know him he's so great all the girls seem to genuinely really like him which i think

makes for a much like juicier season because i feel like people's feelings are real um and so yeah i've been pleasantly surprised by him and his season i've been really enjoying it okay so i think he's so good looking and i obviously think he's so sweet and i do really think that he is there for the right reasons that he really wants a wife but i also i don't know that the girls have been that drawn to him I don't, I think they've been very attracted to him, but I don't know that anyone feels that they've had like really deep connections that they like really lost a great love. Well, that I think is true though because I don't think Grant is having really deep

connections with any of the girls. Like I think whoever he ends up with, he is going to be as in love as he can be at this phase in his life. But we kind of were talking about this like when we're thinking about who in my opinion are the two frontrunners, Juliana and Latia. I feel like he's leaning more towards Juliana. but a lot of their conversations do seem a little bit more

surface level. Maybe we're not ready for full engagement. We're going to be like boyfriend girlfriend vibes. But that's where I feel like Grant is at. Like I believe he wants a long term girlfriend. But someone like Latia is kind of more ready to like settle down, have kids. And I don't know if like Grant is ready to like have those conversations really not on the show.

Okay. Stephanie. Yeah. I think he I think he wants a serious girlfriend for sure. I'm not so buying that like there was a lot of focus this season on like oh we're going to bring all these random kids on the basketball date because grant wants kids so therefore kids have to be around but like i'm i don't think a guy releasing a single called party girl is looking to have kids in the near future like maybe in a couple of years i'm sure he is i just don't think today and i'm just not getting serious father figure vibes today

i'm sure he's going to be a phenomenal father in a few years but i just i'm not i'm not buying that too much. And I agree, like, when they announced Grant one, I think ABC did them dirty with the announcement because, like, they didn't even, they didn't even announce it on TV when they could have. Like, they had a show airing. They could have just, like, put the promo up and let us all get excited.

And wasn't it that, like, someone tweeted it from the show? Yeah, it was an Instagram post or something. By the way, and then their reason was, oh, we did that because we want all the girls to sign up. But I'm like, if you wanted more girls to sign up, why wouldn't you air it on TV where everyone's watching?

it's just nothing makes sense I think they kind of did him dirty in the beginning but I think he's really held his own and I think the season's been pretty good. It's better than past seasons. Joey aside. Not as good as Joey season, yeah. No, obviously. No, I mean, honestly,

I mean, Zach. I was about to say, I was like, I don't know if I want to say it or not, but like, for example, I think in Zach's season, I didn't get the sense that a lot of the girls were that into him or attracted to him and that leads to just more of like a dry season drama-wise.

Whereas I do feel like all these girls really like him. What do you think about his potential music career going back to Graham? Oh, I was going to ask you guys that because you just talked about a single. Yeah. It hasn't really crossed my mind lately. I did think it was very swoonie when he played the piano to Alex. And apparently Alex didn't think it was swoony. She said it was icky.

Yeah, I know, on file files. I was like, what? wait you thought swoonie like swooning i was like wait is that a cool word swoonie means good no this isn't ashley word 20 means good i think because you're swinging it made me it would make it would have made me swoon i would have been like i wouldn't really known how to deal with it like i would have been like probably like beat red but also like we thought i was romantic but apparently you think it's icky yes Alex thought it was icky she said on the vile files that she got the ick and like that's where it started and apparently continued wait continued really

Oh, I don't, maybe I'm misinterpreting what she said. Oh, I don't know. No, you know more than I do there. Probably not. But I don't know. I think if a guy, honestly, in previous seasons, remember Casey from like Ali Fedatowski's season? And he's like, when I was flying in the helicopter. And she's like, awkward. That's kind of what it was. Like, I think randomly singing. It was piano. Oh, she said that if it was a guitar, she would have felt differently. And I guess maybe like that's the piano girl. And, me that I'm like, give me some Taylor Hanson on the piano and, well, you know, I would have loved it. I feel like when men can like play the piano and stuff, it's like the most attractive thing. Yeah, I think so. I would be spooning. But it wasn't a song. It was a song. It was a song. It was a song. It was a song. I thought it was a great song that he made up on the spot. Doon, do, do, do. Yeah. Doon do. They put in all the previews and it got stuck in my head. Well, it was no party girl, but party girls just want to live the lyric of a lifetime. Yeah. You guys, I didn't listen to Party Girl.

You don't go to my Instagram. Is it good? It's a nights like this don't come around too often. She want a party and I keep getting locked in. And then party girls, they all want to live. Right. Do you think that he really wants to pursue a music career? Well, why else would he release it in January 2025?

I know. I'm surprised they let him do that. I'm just really surprised. Same. And to answer your question, I mean, like what happened to the days of when someone was aspiring musician, they were there for the wrong reasons. Now our own bachelor is allowed to release a single the month that your own season comes out. Like Jed Wyatt is like cringing somewhere. I don't think it's like really fair. And granted, like you could, granted, you could be a guy that

like wants to pursue music. I think the timing is weird. It's not like your Spotify list was all these past singles that you've tried in the past. You've always been into music. You've been trying to make it big. And it just so happens you're the bachelor. It was January 25, 2025 that your first single comes out. Yeah. No one is suspicious. Yeah, it's weird. It's hilarious to see the difference with Jed and him. Well, Jed had other problems, Sanchez. It wasn't the music. Okay. Going back to the Jed thing, that was kind of my point is like, did we like Jed's music? No, not really. But we all knew it was something he wanted to pursue. And the real reason why people were so unhappy with Jed was because of the going on the show with a girlfriend

kind of cheating thing, less so about the music. Yeah, but the music got cringy at a certain point. Oh, for sure. I mean, it was like, what was he playing? The dog jingles? Food jingles? Yeah, yeah. Dog food jingles. Okay. Ashley, on your season, though, Britt got harassed because

she had an acting background, and everyone's like, oh, you're just here to be an actress. And look at her. She couldn't be further from the limelight. She's the least. Like, she wants nothing to do with fame. And everyone was like, you. you were an actress, obviously, that you're here for the wrong reasons. So I just feel like we're changing the way we view things here.

But can musicians not also want love? My opinion is both things can be true. He can be pursuing his music career because it's a great opportunity. He's on national television, but also want a long-term girlfriend. Yes, I agree. Yeah, you're totally right. But the timing of it. Musicians can have love.

I think the timing is a little weird. I also think ABC had to have been either behind it or approved of it because... Well, they definitely approved of it. I think that they're just I just think that they're making the strangest decisions and that's all I have.

And then he sang multiple times though, too, not just with Alex. Then the other date, the date, it was like two dates in a row he was singing and that's when all paired together kind of just felt. And then he wrapped on the plane with Carolina, I think. There was a lot of performances. I don't. mind, yeah, I'm like the whole wrong reasons

police thing. I'm not down for that because I think you could be there for multiple reasons and I would consider myself there for multiple reasons. But I think as long as you actually want to fall in love and get married one day and one day in the near future, you're all good to be there. Anyway,

what do we think about fantasy sweets next week? Did you hear that he's celibate? What? No. I did not hear that. In reality told me that he's been celibate since his last girlfriend, so he's going on a year. So he's going to the fantasy suites like this. So maybe Latia is not going to have to have some awkward moment

where she's like, hey, by the way, like, obviously a Mormon, we're not happening. How would he know that? Is Grant also DMing him, telling him about his personal life? Grant said it somewhere. I hope it's brought up next week. It may not. I don't know. Yeah, why wouldn't they bring it up in the show?

I don't know. It seems like the perfect tease. Oh, look, we're getting a people article. Oh, thank you. com is saying the fantasy suites a year after being celibate. wait so that would mean he's a born-again virgin right well i don't know if it's a born-again virgin was he celibate by choice or by just circumstance that he hasn't happened to be with someone serious enough to hook up with him he could just walk anywhere he could be in the

grocery store and be like hey um you know no for sure but maybe he just didn't this is definitely by choice definitely got to be by choice isn't that also like a dry spell like so he's not trying to not have sex no no let's just let's see the article see guys Okay. So fantasy sweets is really tricky, but I think I handle myself very well. There was a lot of kisses, but I do feel like in fantasy sweets, I really reserve myself because when you get physical intimacy involved that changes things, your connection with somebody, there could be some red flags there, and then you guys have sex, and then everything's wonderful. So I try to handle myself really well, and I tried to be really responsible, but he said on the Vial files that

Vial files. Yeah, I know. I don't even know why I said one of my best friends named that weird. He did say on the Vial Files that, yeah, he's been celibate for a year, went in with real intentions. He said he got out of a seven-year relationship and he was hurting and that he just seemed like he didn't want to, he didn't want to get into the bed. Okay, so this wasn't like a lifestyle change.

No, it wasn't like he was going to be like a Sean Love. in like a born again virgin where you're like yeah okay i'm not going to have sex until like marriage um no this is more of like i'm waiting for the responsible and right moment okay is that in the fantasy suite is that in the fantasy suite it sounds as if no um just listening to his quotes here right well bummer i was kind of looking i was kind of looking forward to like a mattie prue Peter Weber situation where she gives him the ultimatum and he doesn't know what to do. I feel like that. I mean

he says in the preview, look forward to my demise or stay tuned for my demise. Oh yeah. I think I know what that is. Oh, what? Let's just say we have Intel where you cannot release any sources. It may not be true. There might be a coin. There might not be a coin.

There might be a coin that's never aired or whatever. If there was a coin flip let's just say there is a coin flip i don't know that's what i'm taking from this i know we don't know okay but sure but if there was is this even something that they would air because it would villainize him like no other i believe no they would not air that but that's crazy if that actually happened why wouldn't they air it it would villainize him but would make for great television like since when do they care about protecting their leads and not villainizing them i feel like they've had some bachelor like

The way they treated Clayton, I'm like, I don't know. They like to make a villain out of a lead, I feel. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her.

Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him?

Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. My name is Ed. Everyone say hello, Ed. Hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself.

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It takes a toll on you. Listen to the new season of Grasasas Come Again as part of My Cultura Podcast Network on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Could you imagine being a woman and realizing that you got proposed to because of a flip of a coin? No. Which is why I think there's a chance that grant a single. Okay. Because after the fact, she would find out that she was chosen with the flip of a coin? Yeah.

Or realizing that it was. was so like frivolous one or the other yeah that he wasn't as sure as maybe he was saying do you think if you're that torn that perhaps neither person is your person yes correct actually i do think so maybe maybe it's a crazy concept to go on a reality tv show and in six weeks get engaged to someone you barely know yeah i feel like 10ly said not to like be so oh j but like 10ly said that to jake because he's like oh it was a really close call between you and vienna and she's like, well, I'm glad that I'm not Vienna then, because if it was that close, I don't want to be the girl that you chose.

And it's like, accurate. Yeah. And just to know the whole poll, this whole season was he doesn't know which one he's going to pick between the two girls. Like, there is one girl he does pick, though. And how do you think she feels? Exactly. Which is why we have to predict that if he's with the girl, it's not a solid relationship

right now. And even if there's no dramatic way in which he chooses the girl, It definitely seemed as if there's some reason that the audience isn't going to love him at the end. There's like no way they will show him flipping a coin. That is about making a mockery of the shit. I know, I know. Maybe I'm just coming up with that at the top of my head. Well, is there a chance, though, that it's like classic.

The promo is trying to trick us and make us think something is more dramatic. Like, how many times has Jesse Palmer said to me, this is the most dramatic ending ever? And guess what? It wasn't. Like, I sometimes get really skeptical about what they show us in the promo and what they tease. Maybe it's nothing. Is that possible? Or this is behind the scenes tea.

He's not flipping a coin in the promo. You would think if it was a coin thing, they would, like, have this dramatic moment in which, like, a coin hits a hand or, like, a coin hits the floor. My God. And they're like, why is he flipping the coin? And then, like, in real and normal bachelor seasons, it would be. like part of a group date and then you'd be like oh my god that colorflip was part of a group date they had to

decide who went first yeah exactly that classic like trickery that I'm always looking out for who knows we'll see I guess I want to end this by asking you guys who your prediction is that well okay let's pretend it's not a coin flip who do you think that he actually has a stronger connection with and will Latia's Mormon faith play a role in his selection because to me she's the frontrunner she's the greatest connection he has but perhaps it's all too intense for him when it comes down to it that's actually kind of exactly how i feel i think he's going to pick juliana um i agree that latia is an incredibly strong connection as well but i do think like the background of latia and going into her Mormon faith and just the fact that she seems

so ready to want to like have a family immediately and i think juliana is maybe a little bit more in the phase of life that grants in, where she would like to have a really long engagement or date long term. Like, Giuliana just seems like the better fit for right now. Yeah, the age difference between Juliana and Latia makes a difference too. Because, you know, Latia is 31. She's Mormon.

She's ready to do this. And Giuliana will give him a little bit more ease. But maybe that's the right choice for him because he has a new song out called Party Girl. And maybe that's, he wants a long-term girlfriend. that he can go to the club with. Right. So he would pick Julianna. He's not going to the club with Latia.

Latia's not going to go to the club. No, no, I'm saying, no, Giuliana. I'm saying like, I agree Latia is probably that I would choose Latia. And I want to date Latia. But like I think he'll choose Juliana and maybe that will be the better fit long term because of what he really is looking for right now.

And then he can then pursue Latia later when he wants marriage. He flips the question. And he's like, all right, Juliana for now. But that one of that relationship, that's when it's course, I'll get serious with Latia in three years. Perfect.

Perfect. All right. Well, ladies, this was really fun. Please come back again. And we can have some more fun speculating about coin tosses and the future of the franchise. Until then, though, I've been Ashley. I've been Stephanie.

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