The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Son of a Biscuit

Episode Date: August 10, 2022

Ben and Ashley just found out a major celeb claims “The Bachelor” is her guilty pleasure AND she listens to the podcast! You’ll never believe who it is.   With Gabby and Rachel’s season moving along, Ben and Ashley have some predictions on the next Bachelor. Ashley is hoping for a fan favorite from a previous season, and Ben has a guess that could totally shake up the franchise.   Plus, former Bachelor producer Elan Gale joins us to talk about his new show “The One that Got Away” and why it’s the first dating show from the multiverse!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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podcasts this is the ben and ashley i almost famous podcast with i heart radio holy moly son of a biscuit it's time for the well i do love when ben says son of a biscuit oh it's so safe it's just so safe and now that it's became a routine in my life i can say hey welcome to almost famous podcast Ashley, how are you holding up? How are you doing? I know life for you has been a while because, yes, we just got back from Tahoe this week. Can't be easy as a mom leaving for, I mean, what were you on? Like two and a half days? But even then coming back, it's not even. It wasn't even 48 hours. Really? Oh, it was actually 48 hours like after I landed, but I wasn't in Tahoe for a full 48 hours. Okay. Was it hard? That's a question I wanted to ask when you got back now.

I know you've you've been gone just a few times, but does it get difficult leaving? I get really anxious, like my anxiety spikes, but I also at the same time, I feel like so alive and free. And I am like so chatty. I was making jokes with everybody in Tahoe that like I've never talked that much in my life because like I'm home alone with a baby all day. And I do talk to Dawson in an adult voice a lot. But it's just really nice to not be around crying for like 48 hours. And I just like, no, it's really good for my soul. Yeah.

But at the same time, like, I have, like, some mad anxiety. Like, Jared had his dad take Dawson in his car. And I was like, your dad needs to take the Yukon. He needs to be the Yukon. And it's like, what if he dies with the car the way to your parents' house? Like, literally, like, I have, like, those kind of triggers. Like, I started crying because, like, I wanted the kid, like, in a certain, like, vehicle. Yeah.

That makes sense. I will say this, actually. I don't know if it makes you feel better or worse. One of the best things my parents did for me was they were good at like going on trips together and they would leave me with grandparents or like a family friend for just a few days. It wasn't like they left me forever. But it did allow me to, I think as I got older, become more comfortable being away

and not being so homesick because I think I have it in me to get really homesick. it's crazy you bring this up because that's so timely in my life right now so my best friend's getting married in italy in september and the plan the entire time has been to bring dossin make it sort of a family vacation my parents are invited and it's my sister and my best friend like it's a collective best friend so like my sister's fiance is coming the plan was hopefully it was going to be like the six of us in italy for a whole week and my dad has been so reluctant to go which is like a whole weird thing he just my dad like doesn't feel like he's on vacation unless he's chilling at home like he has the week

off but he like really wants just like decompress at home and he also is oh my god this is like so insane our dog ethel my parents dog has become their actual child and he will like he is so concerned about leaving her for a week which is like totally unhealthy he like doesn't trust anybody to take care of her so like there's a whole other reason why he doesn't want to leave he legitimately has not been on vacation since he got this dog. He can never get a dog again. He's got to stop any dogs. Okay.

So like a whole thing, my parents are just not sure they're still going. And I know this is like five weeks away, five, six weeks away. But they're not sure. And in the past 24 hours, I've really been thinking like, should I keep Dawson with my parents? Because which they've offered and they'd love to do. Or in like that way Jared and I can go on a vacation. the two of us, like five days in Italy. We wouldn't make it seven in this case.

We're like five days in Italy with me, him, my future brother-in-law and my sister, and just like have like a whimsical little experience. Like we probably need that. We did it in June and it was so nice, like so good for our relationship. And now I'm feeling like, this could be really nice if we left him alone. But then we have this weird, then of course we have the parent guilt. And then we miss him a lot, especially those first couple of days. you have like a little bit of separation anxiety and then we settled in on our first little

vacation what do you think we should do i think you and jared need to go i think you and jared need to go i think you need to give your dad i mean your dad is asking for time at home i know he probably would love to go to italy with you all i know isn't it stupid my dad like doesn't want to go to italy i get it he has a stressful job he doesn't get to be home and decompress probably very often because he's on call and because he's dealing with people's lives and their health, I think you give him what he wants, you give him that free excuse where he doesn't have to feel guilty for not going. And then you and Jared go have an incredible time together because you are the two most important people in each other's lives. Obviously, Dawson is extremely important.

But if you and Jared don't have a healthy functioning relationship, it's not going to be to the benefit of Dawson. So you got to keep investing into that. when the opportunities arise, you're great parents, you're around a lot. It's not like Dawson's ever going to feel neglected or pushed aside. So I think you two need to go because I will.

I will say it was something that helped me as I got older when my parents would say, hey, you're going over here. Like, we need to do our thing. As, you know, now I can move to Denver, thousands of miles away from them. Still talk to them often. Still see them often.

But I don't have that like, oh my gosh, I have to be home kind of feeling and I never really have. And that's allowed me to have a lot of freedom in life that I appreciate. So that's my two cents. My two cents are, thank you for the feedback. Yeah, you got to go have fun. Hey, Ashley, you mentioned right before we got on the podcast that you have a lot to talk about when it comes to this last episode. I have a lot to talk about when it comes to this last episode. So let's talk about it right after we take a second and have a little break. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor.

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This was a video interview that I've been tagged in a few times. Ashley, big fan. I'm a big fan of Amanda Seifred. So take it away. Well, I kind of have a little background knowledge on this headline, but I'm going to read, like, the quotes first. Amanda Seifred was on the Jess Cage show on Series XM this week. And she said that she, like, loves the authenticity of the show. She particularly, like, likes Gabby.

She thinks she's very self-reflective, self-confident. She goes, yeah, she has her issues. We all do. But she expresses herself in a way articulates in her, articulates herself in a way that she really appreciates. I don't know if Amanda has come out publicly about her Bachelor love before because I was actually talking to a guest that we have on later in the episode, executive producer, All-Star, Alon Gale, Mr. Officiant at my wedding, and he told me years ago that Amanda kept her fandom a little bit on the D.L. But now she's obviously talking about it. And I knew that she was a fan, not just from Alon, but because I met her at the Harry Styles concert in, I guess it was to December 2019, I think. And we were in L.A. I knew from Milan that she was a fan and she was standing right in front of me at the concert.

And I tapped her on the shoulder. I go, hey. And she goes, oh my gosh, Ashley, I am such a fan. she was she said the kindest things to me it was my favorite celebrity fan encounter like truly she was the warmest the kindest and it's stuck it's the one celebrity encounter of like the bachelor fans that are celebrities that I will remember forever and she um she she apparently listened to our podcast that was that was it that was it Ben she'd listen to our podcast it's a big deal She said, I listened to your podcast, and I had been told by Alon that she was a listener, and then she, like, confirmed it there with me. And I was like, oh, my God.

That is too cool. And then in this interview that she did with Sirius XM, she was questioned about who from the franchise she would date. And she said, no, no one, before hesitating and admitting, I would say Ben. Ben's the only one. When I met Ben, I was like, I really, really appreciate you. I don't know what it is. I just, there's no one I can think of going out on a date with none of them,

except for freaking Ben Higgins. I just added to that freaking Ben Higgins line, but how cool. That's sweet. She's just a sweet human, talented, beautiful, sweet. I mean, that's just a nice thing to say. She didn't need to say that, but she said, at it um so you know we watch her movies she listens to our podcast you know she scratches our back we scratched hers just a nice little circle of friendship here uh but yes it's always fun to hear

you know what celebrities are out there that are actually tuning into the show i did know she was a fan of the show i think alon might have mentioned it you know years ago to me as well uh but just really awesome so thanks for the uh Thanks for the confidence boost, Amanda. That means a lot to me today. I needed that. It never hurts to have a little, you know, gusto in your step as you walk out the door.

Well, on to other headlines. This is about a Bachelor Nation alumni who just got engaged. Bachelor Nations Madison Pruitt engaged to Grant Michael Trout, this according to E. You guys all saw the Instagram pictures. I'm sure she was in a studying dress and she says in the caption or in her stories or like in a following post or whatever

she was like, this is the dress that I wanted to wear for my engagement. I was like, excuse me? What? How do you know the day to wear it? So apparently she did kind of know it was coming at least in the moment because she had her mom and sister meet her in this bathroom at this hotel and her fiancee Grant I think was not supposed to be in town this day

and then he end up showing up and then they're in the bathroom with her getting her all ready for like a moment that like she's going to go and enter the beach very bachelor-esque style right and they had the dress with them and said put this on so then you know she walks out to the beach

and she's pretty much convinced that he's going to get down on one knee and she says that the moment or he grant was worth the weight that was her Instagram caption but listen A lot. She's getting a lot of hate for this because she's like 26 or 27. And they're like, wow, worth the weight. Girl, you're so young. I get it. I get it. Well, you know, it's also I proposed to my wife who is from a similar area to Maddie, right, down south. And at this, a lot of Jessica's

friends were already married when I proposed to her. It's just a different, you know, it matters where you live in the country, I think, where maybe it's more likely you get married a young age or you don't. I mean, I've said it before. I was 30 years old. Actually, let's go back. When I was on the bachelor at 26, 25 and 26, I was one of three of my friends who were either not married or in a relationship that led to their marriage. So it's just different, I think, from the Midwest and the South, just different age groups. I don't know. I don't know if I shared this yet with you, Ashley, if I did, just tell me to be quiet. But Jessica, my wife, spent some time at a farm in Tennessee. I shared this with you yet?

No, I don't think. About two weeks and a half ago, and Maddie and Hannah Brown were there were there with her. It was kind of like a getaway trip at Boots Ranch, Boots Farms, I think it's actually called in Chattanooga, Tennessee. And Jessica left that. trip and said, wow, like, Maddie is amazing. Like, she had a blast. And now I think they, like, text and, like, voice message each other. Jessica really just enjoyed her time with Maddie and her sister and her friend. So, you know, that's all, I've never met Maddie in person, but that's all I know. And Jessica just had really great things to say about her. Well, that's great. This story continues because she was on Amazon Live with Grant a couple days after the proposal.

in which she said that day that he proposed literally changed our lives. I know that some people think that being together just eight months before getting engaged is short, but she goes, honestly, when you know, you know, and something that we have made a commitment to do is to pursue purity and wait till marriage, you know, to have sex. And because of that, we're not trying to have a super long engagement. And so because of that, we're like, let's wrap this up. How quickly can we go? How quickly can we get down the aisle? How do you feel about that? You guys waited a long time after your engagement. You know, it is very much an individual, you know,

kind of relational decision. Jessica and I obviously had gone down two different paths in life, but as we met, we thought it was important for us and we thought it was at the best, it was the healthiest for us to wait. For Maddie and Grant, I know a lot of people had very strong opinions on what was right and what wasn't. I just don't know if you can make that judgment call. Like I don't know if there's a right or wrong way to go about it. I think there's things that you, I mean, I just think there's a healthiest way to go about it. And that's whatever is best for the two of you, whatever you decided will bring you the most joy and peace and, you know, prosperity long term. So I support it. Not easy. I will say I'm always a little

bit like cautious. And I don't think they fall in this category. But when you're, in the church realm, a lot of people get married really young, like in college, uh, because they just want to have sex. And like, I always am like, oh, that might be not the best reason here. Like, you might want to make sure, like, you have some other things going on in your relationship than just that. But I don't think they fall into that category. I just think this is what they decided. But yeah, that you hear that a lot too. And I think people kind of from the outside mix that up or they're like thinking that you're only getting married so that you can have sex. And it's like, well, if that's, you know, you know, we, I have a whole different opinion

on that. Anyways, hey, a bachelor at Bennett Jordan engaged to yoga teacher, Emily Chin. This is his Instagram announcement of it. He goes, we have a one in 400, oh, wow, don't want, don't mongle, don't boggle my mind like this, Bennett. We have a one in 400 trillion chance. of being born. And we are two of eight billion people in this world. I can only thank God for bringing us together and promise to go on an adventure of a lifetime with you. Thank you for making me the luckiest man alive at Emily Chen. They got engaged on the 30th of June. And they're just now talking about it. I feel like he did not finish his, whatever point he was making, I mean, it's a sweet

point, but he did not finish the equation because if you have one and 400 trillion chance of being born and you're two of eight billion people in this world, then the percentage of chances that you would actually meet this person are, oh man, that's too many zeros for me to do my So you want to figure out how many people we meet in our lifetimes? Yeah, well, yes, and that you would meet that exact person. And I feel like that's where he was trying to go with that. I would like to see him finish that equation a little bit more. But either way, very sweet message, very happy for him.

Another engagement in Bachelor Nation. You might remember Bennett, Jordan. What season was he on? Who was his bachelor at? He was on Tasha's season. Tasha's season. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, he had a big kind of a little bit of controversy or arguments during that season.

With Noah. Yeah. Yeah, that was an interesting one to watch. There was that gift kind of thing given. I remember that. That was weird. Hey, on from Bachelor engagements to Bachelor breakups. Now, I know we have a lot of Tyler Cayman fans out there.

We're Tyler Cameron fans. He came on the podcast. He was very nice, very easy to talk to. I enjoyed my conversation. I enjoyed listening to your conversation. I loved your conversation. I will make this comment. I feel like I'm giving a lot of.

of Tyler Cameron, like, breakup relationship news, like recently. Like, I can't keep track of this. This is where I fall short. So, Tyler, if you could do us a favor here at the Almost Famous podcast, you know, slow down or simplify this a little bit for me. I cannot wait to one day he does get engaged in somebody post the Tyler Cameron, like, relationship timeline. Because then I think people will agree with me like, yeah, it's got to be hard to cover. Anyways, Tyler Cameron reveals Paige Lauren. in split weeks after going public with relationship. The quote is, we had to take a step back.

Now, Ashley, you might be able to fill in some gaps for me. I did see that Tyler said this during an interview, and you can break that down. But then Paige has now responded on Instagram or something on a comment saying, yeah, like she didn't know he was talking about it, but they did split. So she has confirmed it as well. Oh, okay. Well, yeah, he was on Daily Pop and he told Lonnie Love, who loves him, that they are not dating anymore.

He said, he put it so funny. Like, he didn't want to say it so bluntly. He goes, it wasn't the right timing. We're back to, you know, not dating anymore. Just doing our own thing right now. We have a bunch of respect and love for each other. It's just not the right time for both of us right now.

He goes, and I had to break the news to you, Lonnie. So he confirms that he's absolutely single again. Now, listen, you're right. We've had a title. came in roller coaster it was is he or is he not with hannah brown then there was the whole jiji thing and then there was his last girlfriend which i feel like they broke up uh like not that long ago right it was just a matter of months and then he started dating page now listen at least we know he is a relationship man as he's claimed on the show and he could not be a relationship man he's he could

have a different lady every night if he'd if he pleased but he's a relationship guy which is very nice um i think it's very nice okay now listen i find the timing here a little suspect they i'm also just creating drama for myself right now because we all know i don't know if you guys know i made it a big deal last night at audries we did a q and a and a somebody asked like who do you want to be the next bachelor and i very passionately said that i wanted to be tyler cameron i want this show to do anything to get tyler cameron to be The Bachelor, because I want these ratings coming up. I want people who don't normally watch the show to watch this show. And I think he's the man that can do this job. Now, I'm making up

drama here by saying the timing is a little suspect just because, like, they did just announce a relationship. Why would you go public with a relationship that you weren't super sure? It was going to, you know, stand the test of a month. So I'm thinking, what if ABC's talking to him right now? And they're doing everything they can do to convince him to become The Bachelor. And he was like, all right, you know what, I'm not, this girl I like, but she's not my wife. And I'm not going to give up this opportunity of all the things that they could possibly be giving me for a girl that's on my wife. You're crazy. No shot.

There's no way. There's no shot. I will say, though, that would help the show. You know who else would help the show? it needs to be stuncasted it needs to be like a celebrity and i think that tyler is somewhere in between okay fine pete davidson another you think that pete davidson is going to become the bachelor before tyler's going to become the bachelor you think that's more realistic oh i don't think either of them are happening actually i think we just got to throw up a white flag but i think either one

bring it on feed me poured into my base let's bring them both on come on they did they should Let's have them co-do this thing and see how it goes. Bringing a Kardashian just to be a part of the cast. Now that is truly never happening. All right. Well, more sad news in Bachelor Nation. Jacqueline Trumbull addresses decision to call off wedding to Paul Selly due to irresolvable incompatibilities.

This is according to Us Weekly. that sounds like a different way of seeing irreconcilable differences those are just two similes from irreconcilable differences i like the way she said it often on divorce papers um okay so if you guys remember jaclain was on our podcast in the fall and she was talking about her wedding to paul who she met uh while at school and i think she's getting her doctorate i'm sorry if i don't remember exactly what she's getting, but it's a high-level degree. And Paul was, again, not 100% or either her teacher

or the TA, which I thought was very juicy. But I guess they had irresolable incompatibilities, and she called off the wedding seemingly very close to the actual wedding because she kept the whole

trip to Portugal in which they were going to get married. And she, instead of getting married to Paul there, had a whole bunch of family and friends come out, and they enjoyed a big trip together. She says, a deep thank you to my wonderful friends and family and even my advisor for coming out to Portugal, even though I chose not to get married and my relationship. Almost all of my wedding guests came out and showered me with love and support. It was such an incredibly moving week, and I'll never forget the kindness of my friends during such a difficult time. It was beautiful to see these

people who have known separately throughout my life fall in love with each other. It's kind of isn't, doesn't like Dirk's Bentley have a song like drunk on a plane? Getting drunk on a plane. This is getting drunk on a plane. That's what I would do. Yeah, that's what I would do. But in, but in getting drunk on a plane, I feel like he was like totally dropped at the altar. I feel like Jacqueline, I'm also just making up drama here. I feel like she may have been the one to call this off. Well, yeah, I don't think you have the I don't think you go to Portugal unless you were the one making this decision. That would just be my guess.

Maybe we're wrong, but we can have it back on to talk about it. This sounds very under the Tuscan sun as well. Well, it does. Yeah, you're right. Former Bachelorette Michelle Young says she's happier. Yes, this is a quote happier after Nate split. This is according to people. So this is not her only Instagram post, post split from Nate,

but it is the first one we got where she kind of like updated people on her state of being and it's a whole bunch of single pictures of her with the song Good vibes playing and her caption reads

happier just one word caption happier and Jesse Palmer responded and says happy it looks good on you so I hope she's feeling better since we last spoke to her but you know This is a big relationship, big ending, and I know it's going to take time for her to truly, you know, start feeling much better. But I hope that she's taking a huge step forward now.

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No, never even heard of this place, did you? No, Bruges, nope. Never heard of it. Well, we haven't got to really dig in. I know last week when we were in Tahoe, you broke down the episode with Trista Sutter. But I'm sure you spoke about it, but I just want to comment again how wild it is to me.

I told Jessica this last night that they're cruising around on a legitimate cruise ship. I mean, I know that there's a lot of people that work on the show. So they say there's 100 people that work on the show. And at this point, there's, you know, close to 20 cast members. And then so that's like 120 people on a legitimately massive cruise ship cruising around Europe. I think this would be awesome. The coolest.

So Tristan, I did talk last week about how, like, I'm a huge cruiser. Yeah. And this is thrilling to me. This would be the coolest way to do this. Bachelorette. This ship probably has at least 2,500 passengers and like, yeah, probably close to 1,000 crew. And that's me totally low-balling the numbers. It is a Virgin ship, and Virgin is a new cruise line. Like, this is their first time getting into cruising, so I can understand them liking the press on this, but it still seems like

a huge get. It's awesome. I mean, really, really, really, Incredible. And hey, you know what? I think it's working for the show. I don't know if we fully always understand that they're on a cruise ship as like people are filming and as, you know, the conversations are existing. But I think it would be a really fun way to do the show. I hope they can do it all the time. And the cruise ship looks awesome. It's showing off really well for everybody involved. And I like it. I like it for this reason. Because like night dates, when the cruise ship's probably having to move locations, you're. within 10 minutes of your room, which sometimes on night dates, you'd be like an hour and a half from the place that you're staying. Love it. Which just makes for later nights. Well, Ashley, before we break down the episode, as we do every week, the ratings report has just came out as of 40 minutes ago. ABC does top the evening, The Bachelorette, number one for the night with 3.06 million viewers. I believe that is the most viewers they've had yet. I think actually I can almost confirm that

because I feel like they're in the two millions for the last couple weeks. Got a 0.7 rating in the 18 to 49 viewership, which is obviously the one that is most important. It topped NBC and Fox, who both got 0.3 each. So the Bachelorette showed up last night. tuned in. Yeah, but guess what?

It was probably the worst episode for people to turn into because I don't think that that episode is going to get anybody hooked. That episode, and I liked last week's episode. You guys go and listen to the recap with Trista last week. Like, I was passionate. Yeah. Yo, I have nothing to say about this one. This guy, it took me forever to get through this episode.

I kept pressing pause and pause and pause. I was not captivated. I know. Well, let's still break it down and see why you weren't captivated. Oh, yeah. I have a few thoughts. We're going to break it down in order from the start to the finish. Aven got the one-on-one.

We know that's happening. The date card has Tino, Zach, Meatball, Ethan, Tyler Logan in it. But we also have the storyline of Logan, kind of, you know, going over to Gabby's side. Rachel at this point it's hard to grasp through the television but at the first part of this episode my wife was watching it with me which is why

she also heard the weird like and I know who wrote it so it's funny it's ridiculous but these like tags to get people to sign up for the show are ridiculous like hey I think they're kind of funny well I know I think they're good but they're ridiculous they like throw me off every time

I'm kind of now excited to hear what weirdness they come up with next but she's like what did they just say if you're dating your cousin like who what? Anyways, the Logan storyline and Rachel just being like really down

and we talked about it a few weeks ago how this show can either really help your confidence or really hurt your confidence quickly as the lead. I feel like at this point like if we were to sit Rachel down in that moment Like, her confidence is shot. And I get why. I don't think it should be.

I think she is beautiful. I think she's really great. I think she's going to find somebody here. There's going to be a great catch for her still. But I get why she's just struggling. And I think it's fair. I mean, she's getting a raw into this deal. She certainly is.

They, you know, and I don't want to bring up a gun, but they were all like, we're not going to pit. them against each other and like yeah they didn't directly pit the girls against each other but like in having guys sort of choose you're kind of putting them you're putting their ego at risk is it an ego at this point though is that the right word like to call it no i think you i think you have to actually go to like i feel like somebody with the like the most humble uh most caring most giving who has no ego would still be hurt in this moment. She just got rejected when they were back at the mansion by multiple people.

Then she shows up feeling confident in her group. I don't know if you could consider Logan a frontrunner, but he's definitely a player in this. Like he actually, like he could be a somebody for one of these women. And then he comes in after she's just kind of back and settled in and does this. The question I have for you and to the listeners, was Logan wrong in doing this? Like, did he, should he have just left the show, or was he right in communicating this when he did and also then moving over to Gabby's side?

Okay, so first I want to say, like I said the word ego and I now know the better way of saying it, put the girls in a position specifically in the past couple cases. Rachel, putting her in the position to be hurt. Yeah. So that's what sucks. Now, do I, I don't, I agree with everything you're saying. I just want to play devil's advocate to bring in a point. Okay, please do.

I had somebody on my, well, really two people during my time as the Bachelor leave as well, like on their own accord. Yeah. So I will say no matter if there is two or one, and I'm saying this because I'm hoping Rachel doesn't feel like, she's alone by this happening to her, I think it can still happen. Now, it's different when the guy just is like, hey, I like that other person more. I think that adds an element that isn't fun to see and hurts probably worse. But it could still happen at some level with one bachelor or bachelor or bachelor or two bacheloretts or bachelor. Now, with paradise, you're always in a position of being hurt. And you're always in the position.

of possibly being rejected. Like at any moment, somebody can come down the stairs and you can be rejected. But it is different. We're supposed to feel like we need to protect the lead a little bit more from rejection.

Yeah. Okay. So your question was, was Logan wrong? Did he make, like, is this a villain type moment for Logan or not? I don't think it's a villain type moment. I also don't think he has like a villainous bone in his body.

Okay. They never even played scary music behind it. Like, I don't even think he was ever supposed to be, like, looked at, like, a villain. I do think that maybe he could have been, I mean, if we could go back, he could have been a little bit more up front. He could have probably, when they were, like, drafting teams, been, like, can I talk to you for a minute? Yeah. I'm really between you guys. I really kind of want to explore both options.

that I don't know how it would have gone over it probably wouldn't have gone over good for him then no I don't think of it and I and he definitely wanted to to do this last week but he did the I guess like the only thing that he really did that's questionable is accepting Rachel's Rose last week

and not pulling her aside before he accepted that yeah well I mean yes I think it would be really hard to say what he said I don't think he did it perfectly. I don't know if there is a perfect moment. I also think that Rachel

had every right to be really sad. I mean, I'm not giving her permission to be. I just, I can feel, I felt for her in that moment. Like, I was like, I'd be bummed. Like, I'd be torn up if this is, if I was in Rachel's position. No wonder she's crying. I'd be crying. I'd be confused. I'd be wanted to go home. Uh, but Logan, duh, I mean, that's what happens. Logan tells her, um, she says, okay. And he goes and talks to Gabby. Well, Rachel actually talks to Gabby. Gabby then allows Logan to come onto her side. So Logan is now there. He's a part of Gabby's group,

which leads us to Rachel's group date, which is canceled at this point. Obviously, the boys are confused and upset about not having this group date. Ashley, I wish I would have known I could have canceled group dates. You're like, I could have used the rest.

Yeah, the rest would have been nice. So it is nice that she gets this time to like regroup us and then she does meet up with the guys at the after party break that down for us well she seems to be in much better spirits at this point hopefully she's realizing that Logan and her weren't going to end up together that's why this whole episode is kind of blah to me because most of the storyline if we'd have what's her name a bachelor what's her what's her name who she breaks down the bachelor stats bachelor data bachelor jada she would show us that logan gets more screen time than anyone uh well than any of the guys

in this episode and he just he's not going to end up with either of them that's why this is so not compelling to me it's because he wasn't a frontrunner who decided to go back and forth okay so rachel and gabby have a talk before she goes into the her nighttime portion of the group date and they're cool you know they they really do see like eye to eye and it's it's nice that there's no drama between them and then she goes in and she gets to talk to Ethan and she talks to Tina she talks to let me pause you here for a second here's something really interesting about Ethan that I found out last night Ethan was on Bachelor live on stage and I could not I did not remember that he was a bachelor.

No way. Yeah, he was a bachelor when I did it in Seattle. So I kind of always felt like I recognized him, but I never made the connection. And then son of a gun, posted on Instagram. Okay. That's really cool. Then Tino basically said, like the Tino moment, it always stands out to me. This is the storyline I care about the most.

Everybody knows this. He says that it doesn't sit well that she had to cancel the party. I mean, canceled the daytime portion of the group date and that she's obviously so sad. Like, he hates this. And he says, this was just big, huge. He says, I see Rachel as my person. And today, they lost memories that they could have had together.

And her canceling the group date during the day made him feel unseen. He feels like their relationship is where they can talk about stuff like this. So I felt like last week, or was it two weeks ago, last week, I think, yeah, they had the one-on-one. And I was like, look, I need to know more about Tino's personality because I, like, think that he's swoony. But I don't know if, like, we know him yet. And now, like, we see him. Like, he's taking charge.

Like, he's like, no, no, like, I'm serious about this. Do you, well, I mean, I think Tino is definitely a frontrunner. It's interesting, Ashley. Tino is probably, I would say at this point, him and Avin are two of the most known people on this cast, right? Both on Rachel's side. Oh, they're all on Rachel's side to me. Like, that's why I'm more interested in Rachel's storyline.

But Tino, and this is just a weird thing, he only has 20,000 followers on Instagram, which is a lot, right? Still. But most time when you have a friend, runner in a cast, they are upwards of a hundred, 125 thousand. I'm just wondering if that's part of the signs of the engagement from the show this year. It's just interesting to me that I just looked that up because I wanted to see like our people jumping on with Tino's story. And I think they are. But as I looked up Tino's name, there's some comments there that people

were asking, did Tino make that about himself too much? Like did he? I'm so glad you said that. That was my next comment. Okay. So what are your thoughts? Okay. So yes, I think that we saw Tino come into his own and he showed like passion in that moment. But to me, it was a little bit of questionable passion because a part of me who's been rooting for him, mostly because like he seems like this like sexy leading man, he made me feel like, oh no, is he just trying to win this? Is this a competition thing for him? That crossed my mind for the, like that crossed my mind. I tried to block it out and say no, no, no, but it was there.

Yeah, I mean, it has to. That's the question you ask every frontrunner is, you know, what's their intentions here? But I do think he's very into Rachel. I do feel like their chemistry together is very good. I would have to put him as the frontrunner at this point. But, I mean, if we speed this up a bit, Rachel has her group date.

You know, obviously Tino gets the rose, which makes everybody there kind of I would say I'd say it's always hard when somebody has a one-on-one and then the next week they get a group day rose you just kind of feel like wow is everybody else just watching

this relationship unfold and do I matter at all in this I mean I do know that's a feeling that comes about so Tino's definitely the front runner but I'm telling you for as high as we all are on Tino and for as much as we think Rachel and Tino have a connection

no matter how that conversation went down and at this point we have no a reason to really question Tino's intentions. I think Avin might be the sneaky pick here because I feel like he's consistent I feel like they have something special

I feel like he's kind of just like navigating this process quietly his emotions are fairly kept in most of the time when it comes to Rachel but I know he's into her I feel like Avin might I mean, yes, Tino seems like the guy that we're all going to be like,

of course they're going to get together. I think Avin might be that guy that sneaks through. Okay, totally down. Avin moves up to my second place for her right now after this one-on-one that they have. It's really cute. It's really light, of course, during the day. They go to a chocolate store.

They're in a horse and carriage. He talks about his mom. We didn't get like a lot of D.T. but his childhood, we find out that he grew up mostly with his dad and he didn't really have a close relationship with his mom until he got older. He gives Rachel a cute little rubber bracelet for good luck that was, you know, that is his mom's. And it's just nice and easy, breezy, you know, just nice, easy, breezy day. And I really like his vibes and his energy. And he's very cute. And I'm feeling him more than Zach. So I think Zach was our runner up for Rachel for a

while. And Zach's, you know, his date was great a couple weeks ago. But for some reason, I feel like he's slipping. Yeah. Well, we haven't seen a lot of them, but I agree with that. I don't know if we will see anything more from Zach because these two, Ava and Tino, kind of feel as we get down to just a few on each side as the frontrunners. Ashley, I wonder this. I'm just going to throw this out there. Do you think any of these guys are sitting there seeing Tino get the first or the one-on-one, then the group date rose, even obviously getting the one-on-one, seeing those connections build? Do you think any of those guys around there going, wow, I don't know if I have a chance with

Rachel anymore. I think she's pretty focused. And in their heads, they're thinking, I wonder if, you know, because Gabby feels a lot more open right now. There's not like a clear front runner in my mind. Do you think any of them are going maybe we just like move over to see if that could work too? Like, do you think they're thinking that now after like the Logan scenario?

Not at this point. They're just too far. They're too far in. Too far in. So that's not going to happen. Yeah. I don't think they're thinking that. Okay.

So Avens one on one with Rachel goes really well. Nothing, you know, nothing more or less than I think their connection is strong. They opened up to each other. They share their story. and I feel like Avan does move up to that second position if we're ranking them. I love to rank. We have to. Come on.

Well, that moves us to Gabby. Gabby has a one-on-one date with Johnny. I, what were you going to say? Well, we finally see Johnny. He's been hanging around for a while. And now we get his, now we're seeing him and I like him. He's cool. They have a good vibe.

It's, you know, what's interesting is like their big conversation here is about anxiety and depression, which is similar to the conversation, sort of kind of, that she had last week with Jason. And we know that this is something that she's definitely dealt with. So it's a way of her to connect with these guys. He says, this is very interesting, that he's the least confident person ever, and he's very hard on himself. And what I kept pondering, what does this mean? What does this mean? He says every time he gets in a relationship, once he starts being himself, the girl gets out. And I'm like,

Johnny, what? Now we got, now is that, is, I want to know, is this a weird red flag? No, I think it's a legitimate insecurity. And I'm sure there's, it's more nuanced than that. in his mind he's creating that narrative right you can get into like psychoanalysis here and seeing like kind of how you see yourself and how you see others see you and so this is a narrative at some level he's creating not and it's not um diminishing his story i'm not making it not legitimate but it you know yes he sees it this way some people might have met him and said hey i don't think we're a good match based on who we are as people um but the ever time thing, you know, one of the things you have to learn when you go through therapy is to

work through that so that you see yourself in a light that is, that is worthy of being loved and loving somebody else. So he's going to have to work through that. And the cool part is when you can do that with your partner, somebody that says, I'm going to love you. Like, I'm not leaving you. Maybe that's Gabby me. It's not. I don't know yet. Um, but it was good to see him open up. It makes more sense now. Why he is more reserved, why we haven't seen much from him up into this point. So it's good to get those, you know, those type of people on one-on-ones

because now they start making sense to us. We get to hear their story and hear their human experience, which isn't ever, like, simple, and which isn't ever just purely, like, pretty. There's, everybody has stuff. So it's, you know, is one of my favorite parts of the show

is understanding that, yeah, everybody has a little stuff. Well, Ashley, that one-on-one day goes well. They obviously have something they're going to build on. They have something that's going to take them in the future. And really the most important thing to talk about from this point is not the cocktail party. It is the Rose ceremony because they kind of just fly through the cocktail party.

It feels like during this episode. So the Rose ceremony comes up. The people, and this is where I want to talk about this as we close out here, the people that go home are Meatball, Mario, and Michael. Now, I never got to see Michael. and we only knew of Meatball because all season they called him Meatball which just feels like he never stood a chance. Never stood a chance. He was so lucky to get as far as he did.

Not only did he get accepted back in by Rachel, but he also got a rose last week. So good for Meatball for making it this far. Exactly. Like he way, way overdid where I thought Meatball was going to go. I thought he was a night oneer. And I mean, geez, the poor guy. guy. Like, they called him Meatball. I mean, just, Rudy has...

I think he liked it. Yeah, well, he liked having a memorable nickname. He can definitely get an endorsement on it now. Yeah, he can, I mean, if he's smart, he's calling every meatball shop in the country saying, pay me to post about your store, or do a meatball tour, tasting meatballs around the world. I think Meatball has something going on for him. Huge, huge business. The shocking piece here, Ashley, is that Mario goes home. Now, we did, we saw Mario get the first impression rose. We haven't seen much of Mario's sins. And I thought it was because he was such a frontrunner that we were going to kind of hide him, you know, for a bit. But like, what happened? We have no clue. Like, where things went wrong? We have no piece of Mario's

story. And he was the first impression rose get her. Didn't Abigail get Matt's first impression rose? And we kept saying, where's Abigail? Where's Abigail? We want more Abigail? It's like the exact same thing with Mario. It was really weird that we never got to see more of why it didn't go beyond the first night, you know? And we never got to see the fact that there was some sort of, not a fight over Mario, but Rachel definitely showed interest in him. Yeah, I know.

And, but all of a sudden, he's not desired by either one of them. Really, it's a bummer. It's a bummer. But I saw it coming when you saw the rest of the guys standing there. You're like, yeah, Mario's gone. I'm definitely, Logan's going to get the rose. Once you saw the cocktail party interaction when Mario was like, hey, look, I'm wearing my first impression suit.

And she's like laughing, but it's not romantic. And then we see with Logan, she slaps him with a fish. And then she kisses him with fish face. That's love. That's love. That's attraction. Yeah. It's too bad.

I thought Mario's going to be around, but I have a feeling we'll be seeing him in paradise. We've got to see him in paradise. He feels like a good paradise contestant and very desirable in paradise. Well, to close out this episode, the preview for next week, some interesting things that we should pay attention to. Zach tells Rachel he is falling in love with her. Rachel tells Avin everything she asked for he embodies.

Okay, some big Rachel headlines. there. And then we go to Gabby. Gabby tells Eric, she has always wanted to be with someone like him. Gabby feels her dreams are coming true. Now, here is the interesting part of the preview. We see Jesse bring up a situation with Logan, who you had mentioned, did not get really a villain musical edit in his moments. But we see Jesse bring up a situation with Logan. And then Jesse he tells Logan to pack his bags, and Logan does that, it's something to pay attention to for the future. I bet that happens on next episode. But if this is something not good for Logan, then my thought is you should have gone home when you had the chance. Well, that was the

episode for this week. I have a little inside knowledge just what the Logan drama is about. And I think you guys are going to be absolutely twisted, you know, like it is not what you expect. that's that's all i can do that's all the spoiler i can give now before we leave today we have a very special interview with somebody that we never really thought would be we'd be able to have on the show it is one of our very very good friends alon gale who is the former executive producer of the bachelor he's also the showrunner for um f boy island and now the showrunner of the one that got away He's also an executive producer. You know, he's got his fingers in all of these things.

And we also have one of the contestants on the one that got away, which is on Prime Video right now. Vince coming on. So please welcome Alon Gale and Vince. Hi, my name is Enya Jumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD...

Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. My name is Ed. Everyone say hello, Ed.

Hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer. And my mom is a cousin. What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different.

On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. The 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Dr. Joy Hardin-Brand-Brandford.

And in session 421 of therapy for black girls, I sit down with Dr. Athea and Billy Shaka to explore how our hair connects to our identity, mental health, and the ways we heal. Because I think hair is a complex language system, right? In terms of it can tell how old you are, your marital status, where you're from, you're a spiritual belief. But I think with social media, there's like a hyperfixation and observation of our hair, right? That this is sometimes the first thing someone sees when we make a post, or real. It's how our hair is styled.

You talk about the important role hairstylists play in our community, the pressure to always look put together, and how breaking up with perfection can actually free us. Plus, if you're someone who gets anxious about flying, don't miss session 418 with Dr. Angela Neil Barnett, where we dive into managing flight anxiety. Listen to therapy for black girls on the iHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I just think the process and the journey is so delicious. That's where all the good stuff is. You just can't live and die by the end result. It's scary putting yourself out there, especially when it's something you really care about and something that you hope is your passion in life and you want people to like it.

Let's get delicious and put ourselves out there. I'm Simone Boyce, host of the Bright Side, and those were my recent guests, comedian Phoebe Robinson, and writer Aaron Foster. On this show, I'm talking to the brightest minds in entertainment, health, wellness, and pop culture. And every week, we're going places in our communities, our careers, and ourselves. It's not about being perfect.

It's about going on a journey and discovering the bright side of becoming. Few people know that better than soccer legend Ashlyn Harris. It's the journey. It's the people. It's the failures. It's the heartache. It's the little moment. These are our moments to laugh, learn, and exhale.

So join me every Monday. And let's find the bright side together. Listen to The Bright Side on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Have you ever wished for a change but weren't sure how to make it? Maybe you felt stuck in a job, a place, or even a relationship. I'm Emily Tish Sussman, and on she pivots, I dive into the inspiring pivots of women who have taken big leaps in their lives and careers. I'm Gretchen Whitmer, Jody Sweeten. Monica Patton.

Elaine Welter-A. I'm Jessica Voss. And that's when I was like, I got to go. I don't know how, but that kicked on. the pivot of how to make the transition. Learn how to get comfortable pivoting because your life is going to be full of them. Every episode gets real about the why behind these changes

and gives you the inspiration and maybe the push to make your next pivot. Listen to these women and more on She Pivots now on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Guys, we have Vince Sheepin. on from the one that got away and executive producer Alon Gale. Guys, Alon Gail is also otherwise known in my phone and in my life as my father.

He likes to be called my father because like my dad's my dad, but like Alon is my father. Okay. Like a guideer and a spiritual guide in my life. So hello father. Hello, Vince. I've got to start this interview off with a question for a Alon, you've now proven that you have, can compose, produce, put out three very successful dating shows, F-Boy Island, the one that got away, and The Bachelor for Ranchize.

You're kind of the mastermind behind Bachelor in Paradise, whether they want to give you credit for that or not. So, question is, what is it about your personality, about your brain that can. accomplish so much in this TV dating realm? Well, Ashley, obviously, I'm happy to be here in an interview with three examples of why I'm able to do anything, which is Ashley and Ben and Vince, who are super open, loving, giving people who I think hadn't had a chance to express themselves to their fullest and found an opportunity and took that opportunity when it comes to their romantic lives.

I think that, you know, I think we all talk about how important it is to find the one for us, the one that got away for Vince specifically, but the one for us. And I think that sometimes we don't put ourselves in a position to find it. And then I think that sometimes when you get lucky, you find a casting notice or some refers you to someone or somebody knows someone that knows you and submits your name. And then you find yourself in front of a bunch of people who are interested in your love life in a way your friends can only ever pretend to be because it's like, how much can you listen to the saying? You have these strangers who are interested in you, right?

And it's true. It's so fantastic. And, you know, Ashley, you love talking about your feelings. and I think that there is, and the truth is, I think we all do. I think that's, I think that's the thing. I think a lot, I think we really like talking about our feelings, and we don't always have permission. We don't always have interested parties.

And, you know, when you meet someone, like, I can tell you, like, I remember the day I met Vince, and I was like, oh, like, I've been asking questions about his life and his family, and the answers are honest. and you can feel emotion and spirit and passion behind it. And you just go, okay, like, I'm interested in this person. And I think just part of it's being like, can we help other people realize what's so interesting about this person? Because the end of the day, like, that's all it.

It's just people, right? It's just people. Like, everything else is artifice around it, like, whether it's a portal or whether it's a mansplain or whether it's living in Limbros, surrounded by coconuts, all of it. Oh my God. Jared. I just saw Jared and a baby.

Jared is a walk down the stairs of the baby behind us. In the background, that's beautiful. Hi. And all that to say. And just to put a finer point on it, Ashley, as an example, like you just had the perfect example of why this all works walk behind you, which is you focused on the thing you wanted.

you were kind enough to always let us capture it on camera and here you are with a tiny baby Ashley and I imagine you guys make a lot of the same noises Sorry, could you say that again? Siri wants to get in on this conversation Oh my God, Alon, I had myself

He's so dramatic And he cries non-stop Yeah What did you expect? well it's like take you and remove filters yeah you get a baby you get a baby that's what you get my co-host and somehow we're still making this thing work uh Vince amazing obviously you do get to work with one of our greatest friends uh Alon on this show the one that got away one of my favorite things because you know there's new shows that come out there's new shows that I've

never heard about that come out. I always try to follow Alon and what he's working on because it's just always interesting. But Vince, from your perspective, one, I guess it's a two-part question. I'll just let you have the stage. Why would Alon ask you to come on with him for this podcast? And then why in the world should we watch you on this show? Oh, boy. Well, first of all, I didn't even know Alon specifically requested me. Now I feel really special. Thank you, man. That's awesome. Yeah, of course. I feel like, you know, me and Alon kind of have like a really, I think a deep understanding of human beings.

I think I kind of like, I saw it during my interview with him. We had like final auditions in L.A. And that's the first time I actually met him in person. But we had a few Zoom type of interviews before. And I could tell that the way Alon kind of like analyzes human beings, I felt like I kind of see humans in the same kind of way. And the way we kind of vibe in that sense just felt like there was. was a deeper understanding of what we were doing here like we were trying to express like you know just

like the the human condition on film and trying to you know get this expressed and everything that we have deep inside and trying to show the beautiful sides of it and the messy sides of it and everything and that's what makes us human and you know I felt like we have always had that kind of connection our conversations always you know seem very like like meaningful very like deep um very different from a lot of like surface level conversations you have in the industry street and I don't know it could also just be my audition with him when I freestyle wrapped and I dropped them in my freestyle because I remember during the auditions like they were they're asking about oh what what's your dating life like and I told them about this

like one story where I was freestyling in the car and I feel like you know when you have a girl freestyle you kind of break them down a little bit you know more uh they're more vulnerable because they know they're not going to do very well and then um and I started telling them yeah And I freestyle too, you know, but I never, it's never good. It's always really trash freestyle. But like, it makes a girl feel more comfortable freestyle after to hear how much I bomb, right? And then I remember, I think it was Elon or Bill. They were like, well, Vince, why don't you just freestyle right now?

And then I remember I just went off the rift. During my audition, I was like, all right, I'm just going to freestyle and I dropped him on. I was like, I forgot what I said. I wanted to say, my boy, Alon, has a hair like a Bishon. Because I remember his hair was like all crazy. And I was like, man, this guy looks like such a character. And I feel like ever since that day, we kind of connected. And I'm really glad that he invited me here because I feel like we're able to have like more of a conversation.

I've had a lot of conversation with him offline. But, you know, this time being able to have it together was fantastic. I don't know. What was the second question? Why should we watch? I am a quarter Bishan just to say. So I really appreciated you seeing being able to see that in me. So thank you.

Alon's always. Lon's always been lucky that he was blessed with hair. He hasn't started losing it. And I'd say most of the population at his age start to lose some hair and his just continues to grow. That is age. I'm going to call you out. The tender age of 39.

You're going down, buddy. Okay, the second part of this question was, why should we watch this show? I guess I'll give it to both of you to answer from Alon's perspective and also from yours, Vince. Well, from my perspective, I feel like what makes this show so different is that it just feels so real because we're meeting these people from our past and they're not necessarily strangers. And I think most shows that we see nowadays, you know, you're paired up with strangers in some type of way.

And these people, you know, we have some history behind it and there's some context there. So I feel like, you know, we're only filming for about like five weeks, right? And I think a lot of people, they watch these shows and go, well, how can you really fall in love in five weeks? And I think this show is so special because there's a radio connection there. So these sparks that are kind of like reignited, I feel like they really lend themselves to a lot of emotional acceleration. So like you see me on the show and I end up, you know, opening my heart out. And I'm just like, I get very committed. I fall in love on the show.

And I never thought that was possible. And I think because I already had a connection to this person, it just sped things up a lot fast. So we already know, you know, our hometowns are the same. Like, you know, we know our background. We went to the same school that we're able to have a really good starting point. And I think that's what makes a show so different. And it's, I think everyone kind of has that feeling like, oh, there's maybe the one that got away for them. And, you know, everyone can kind of relate to this premise.

And that's something that I always, I was hoping people would take away from it when they watched it. You know, and it's great, you know, television. It's very entertaining. But at the end of the day, once you finish it, you would think, okay, who's the one that got away from me? And maybe I can reach out to them and maybe use this show as kind of like the reason for it. Hey, have you seen that new show, the one that got away on Amazon Prime? It's like, oh, my God, it kind of reminded me of you. Remember when we, you know, used to be friends back in middle school or high school?

And, you know, that could spark a connection. You'd be like, oh, you know, maybe we should grab coffee sometime. And that will give people a socially acceptable way to, you know, reconnect with somebody. you don't want to just call DM someone that you had a crush on 10 years ago. Like, it's kind of creepy, right? I did that. I did a podcast on it once. I called a boy I hadn't talked to in like six or seven years.

And I was like, hey, confession time, I had a big crush on you. Did you know that? And we did it all live on air. I have never been so nervous even of all the times I was on The Bachelor. What happened? I missed that once. have to tell me what happened. It was back when I was obviously single, and he was like, yeah. I should hope so, Ashley. I was like, I told him, I was like, hey, we're just doing like a little

nostalgic thing. We're talking to people from like college and grad school and stuff. So if you come on and talk about like our time and grad school. And now he's actually one of the lead anchors on Good Morning America weekend. So. Trevor Alt, you guys can look him up. Yeah, he's a big deal. And I was so awkward and so nervous. And he was like, yeah, I think I, I kind of knew that you had a crush on me. And I was like, well, I kind of thought that you had like, kind of maybe like a little interest. And he was like, I don't know. Literally. Apparently he had zero interest. I was like, this is revisionist history. Sir, revisionist history. We had, there was something there. Wait, why did you think there was something there? Do you remember why you thought there was something there? Oh, my God. I'm being produced now. Was there a moment?

There was multiple moments. See, he had a girlfriend. He had a girlfriend the entire time. He ended up breaking up with his girlfriend, literally a matter of, I think it was a week after grad school. So, like, there was no move ever made because he was living with his girlfriend. But you could tell, like, they were on the rocks.

He wasn't interested anymore. So, especially, the last six months of school it was like summary flirty vibes um we were having more like get together is because we all knew there was a small group it was a concentration of like 40 people so we were just you know we were just hanging out a lot trying to suck up those last moments and you could just vibe it but apparently he doesn't admit to it whatever everybody else saw it we'd be next to each other on the computer and all that uh whatever he's gonna hear this now. And now that he's like, you know,

a reporter for Good Morning America, it's probably going to be a headline. Oh, God. Help me. It's just funny that there's A long. Good morning America and almost saying it's colliding. You're just doing crossovers left and right. One girl, one girl graduated

Syracuse and went on the Bachelor. Then the other one became a reporter for Good Morning America. All in the ABC family. All on this American life. So I think that Just to say, so what I love, because I want to answer Ben's question before he so really left, is there's a, I think that people, and I know that you and your husband are both interested in the multiverse,

because you have to be, because of all the Marvel movies, and you can't escape them, even if you wanted to. And so I think that there's the reason right now that people are so, like, fascinated by the multiverse, which, of course, I am too. The multiverse that is Marvel or all the dating shows? No, like, no, no, no, the multiverse that is like the concept of the multiverse, the idea that there are endless timelines happening at once and there's different views in different universes, a million doctors, strangers from here to there, is that I think a lot of us really like being able to visualize

what our life would be like if we had made different choices. I think a lot of us like to really think about how things would be different. like as an example if you and that guy had made a move that night right that would have you wouldn't be here right now i'm assuming if you guys had fallen for each other you wouldn't be here right now you'd be you might be somewhere else you might be somewhere you like more but you wouldn't be here uh you wouldn't have jared there's no place i'd rather be than here except i could mute my child if there was a button for that And I think that I think that you think about it's very natural to think about regret and about wondering if you could have done things better or done things differently. I think we all think about that all the time. And so the one that got away offers an opportunity for a very short time and a very limited timeframe for just a few people to go like, hey, what if you could just start again at zero? What if, you know, the idea for for Vince and Vince had people come in, you know, on our show, people come in through a portal.

And that's very intentional, right? Like the portal exists because we're a little, we're a little sci-fi, too. We're trying to play with time travel, trying to play with the ideas of time not mattering, which I think is a really interesting thing to think about. I think a lot of us, the last couple of years in the pandemic, have felt like time has stood still. And we had a lot more time to think about things we could have done or want to do or should have done. And all of that kind of comes together in this place where so all of a sudden Vince comes in,

And we find people amazingly from his, you know, from his high school life and his college life and his law school life and his adult life and all of those different places. And he gets to like restart as if he's in high school. He gets to restart. You know, his first date with Eureka was one where we found a limo that looked just like the limo that they took to prom together and got to just go, what if you got to do that night again? Yeah, you know, that that kind of wishful fulfillment, I think, is stuff that we all wish we could do, right? You relive that first night, you know. I'm sure, Ashley, you think about your wedding all the time and think about different, different day, different ways that could have gone and slightly, you know, obviously it was perfect. But you know what I mean?

It was, wouldn't you live? It was perfect. And it was, our anniversary is in two days. Can you believe it's in three years? Three years? That's incredible. Three years that he officiated our wedding in the. He needs to win an award all-time, all-time award, not just the Oscar for the year,

but the all-time Oscar for doing the best officiating at any wedding ever. Okay, sorry, Alon, continue. Well, just to say that that was the best wedding I'd ever been to. So I was just there as, like, a guest. So that's how I saw it. But all that to say, like, I think that's what the one that got away does so well and does so differently. And, like, again, like, I love that there's a wide variety of dating shows out there.

I love the ones that I, like, I love the ones that I get to work on. I love the ones that I don't. And I think that, like, the way I love 90-day fiancé as a consumer is also the way that I love one that got away as a consumer, which is like, it's just peering into other people's lives in a way that makes me learn more about how people are, which is always what I'm interested in. Like, you get to watch people be people. And, you know, I think that's cool. like, Ashley, just to say, like, you've lived, I think, in the last 10 years or so, an incredibly interesting life, incredibly, like all kinds of ups and downs and lefts and rights.

And the fact that, like, that could have gone on and no one could have ever known, right? All of that could have happened without a single camera around, without a single photograph, without a single Instagram follower, all of that could have happened. But instead, we got to come along for the. the ride. And I got to sit my ass at home and watch you and Jared go through this incredible love story over three years, essentially, and then get married and then have a baby and all that. And so it's this weird need for connection where like I feel like I know you and Jared really well, but I also feel like there's millions of others that do too. And I think that those are all

genuine and interesting relationship, which I think people feel invested and committed and they learn lessons. And I'm sure there's a lot of people who have seen themselves as Ashley Eyes over the years that go like, I'm going to keep trying and I'm going to whittle this man's heart into the shape that I needed to be. I still get told every day when we go to Audrey's at our coffee shop, every day. Oh my God, you kept fighting. You kept fighting. I can't believe you guys are together. It's so wonderful to see you guys together. Like, I love your story. It's insane. It's insane that it's made a print on anyone.

But it doesn't. I think that dating shows make a print on a lot of people. And I think that, like, yes, there's a lot of it. It's just entertainment. It really is. A lot of it's just for fun. A lot of it's just goofy and wacky. And a lot of that is also important.

And I think that people, I think that, you know, let's talk about the castes on these shows. I think what they provide, right, more than what the show provides, like what the people you know, like, you know, at the end of the day, you have been on this radio show forever now and you've been on a lot of TV shows. And Vince was a lawyer and is a lawyer. And just, just like you, one day decided to make that transition from having a life that's all his, just like you've had a life that was all yours, to opening it up to other people. And yes, let's not pretend there isn't like, there's always, you want to do it for you. But it's also really nice to be able to open that up for other people and your process of being understood more

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That's a good, that's a really, question. I think that in, I'd say almost all shows that I've ever worked on in any kind of casting have been more or less the same in the kinds of people that we're looking for with the exception of F Boy Island, right? F Boy Island has like a very different. You were like, we were specifically looking for F boys. That's the thing is that like F Boy Island is weirdly like the one that got away, all of the shows I was lucky enough to work on the Bachelor franchise, all of those are really about trying to find people who are open and dynamic, who can express themselves emotionally. I know you can do that, Ashley. Vince can do it too, different ways. But nonetheless,

people that are open and willing and have the ability to put their feelings into words, which is just some people have it more naturally than others. And you can learn it for sure. you can also learn to not do it, which a lot of people do, uh, as they go through their dating processes, they learn not to express those things. And that's a different thing. Foy Island is a game show at the end of the day. It's a, it's a competition, right? And of course, as you know, all dating shows are inherently somewhat competitive, are inherently competitions, but there's something very different about a show that has a monetary prize at the end. Yeah. Because you can legitimately do gameplay and game theory. And I think that people, in

You know, I think that most of the time on dating shows, people are anxious to be themselves. And I think F. Boy Island is different because it gives people the opportunity to be themselves or be someone else completely. And I think that that is what creates that such an interesting dynamic in that house is that half the people, someone tweeted something the other day that I thought was so smart, which was like, half of these people are on a dating show and half of these people are on Big Brother. And it was like, there's just different ways of playing the same game. And weirdly, as you know, the feelings remain real because there's enough people that actually, as you know, a lot of people go on to these shows not to fall in love. And then they do. And I think it's very, very, very, I think it's very common to be skeptical. And I think that being skeptical is usually the best way to be open because you actually talk about your fears, you talk about your doubts, and you talk about your concerns and you talk about your concerns in your.

worries and you're less likely to paint over some of the red flags you see if you're a little bit more skeptical. And so I think that's a, that's one thing that I've always really looked to also is that like, I won't, you know, Vince, I can ask you because I, like, did you believe when you first signed up for this that you were going to fall madly in love or did you think it would be a fun experience? Yeah, I mean, absolutely, just a fun experience. You know, I thought the premise lent itself to probably the best chance for me. But I think, I thought, you know, I'm just going to go in open-hearted, open-minded, and see what Alon has for me.

Ashley, I don't mean, I think maybe you're a different beast, though, actually. I don't know what do you think. I was actually going to say, like, Vince, are you in agreeance with me that it was mostly for like a once-in-a-lifetime, fun opportunity, super open and wanting to find a relationship, like want to leave this with a happily ever after, but know that the odds are so, so low. yeah absolutely yeah i honestly like looking back i'm like oh my gosh like how did i ended up you know leaving engaged like it just it blows my mind because i yeah going into it spoiler alert oh my god that's true but i'm sure i'm missing that episode's out now yeah yeah all episodes

so all episodes are out now of the one that got away on amazon prime so i mean you just spoil You can watch it on freebie also for free now. Oh, it was on freebie. It's a prime and freebie. Oh, that's so amazing. Thank you so much. Okay, so you did just spoil your story. There's lots of stories that will go unspoiled.

How incredible is that that you left Engage? Are you so happy? And when you first, just for the audience, like, just paint a little picture of like, can you paint a little picture of your story since, you know, you just spoiled? yourself like when you came from the portal yeah right when when you first met her yeah the girl walks to the portal like you was it who you wanted so honestly the girls that came through me for the portal for me i had no idea they were going to be there first of all like the whole casting

process was crazy but all of them were a surprise but i was yeah the girl that i ended up leaving a show with i remember the first time i saw her you can even see in the reaction in my eyes i was just like oh my gosh like it's been 10 plus years like the fact that she even remembers me and like is willing to put herself out there for me it was just like it blew my mind because we weren't really like like super close or anything like we were just kind of acquaintances she went to prom with one of my good friends and you know I never really thought like oh you know you know I thought she was cute I never thought like you know there was a missed opportunity necessarily until she came and I was like once I got to know her I was like oh my gosh like this girl is it's so sweet like basically my type

And I was like, I was like, man, along the producers, I was like, you guys, like, set this up so perfectly because she was exactly, I feel like what I wanted. And as time progressed, you just see our bond. Like, we are both like water signs. I'm a Pisces. She's a cancer. I'm a Pisces and Jared's a Scorpio. And don't even get this.

Don't even get me started because there's a classic in my book line in Paradise in which I said, I'm a Pisces female and he's a Scorpio male. And that is like one of the best combinations in the Zediak. it is and I literally remember after the show we were like looking up our astrological because we are so very much both water signs and you can see it on the show like our emotions were just pouring out to each other and we were just very like sensitive and empathetic towards each other and you know I feel like you can see that difference like and all the other girls that kind of came for me like you can sit like just feel that there's a sense of

closeness between me and eureka and um yeah that that for me oh my god like it's changed my life and you know after the show it was you know i remember like we had to make an announcement you know like oh are we guys still together or not i don't know if i should spoil it but you can see it on my instagram it's all there we give a whole update but we're speaking to the hardcore fans right now it felt so real every step of the way was so genuine we weren't on the show looking for like you know clow or anything like that we genuinely you know i was a lawyer i already had a job like she came in she works you know for a big company doing it as a consultant so we genuinely just wanted this to work and that was like my biggest

takeaway from the show was her and you know i feel like right now we still keep in touch i was i just saw her last week she came down um from new york and it just there's this like this bond that you have you know when you meet someone on show and like you tell me let me feel this way too actually it's like you just have this like level of closeness that you can't really share with anybody else right It's almost like a fraternity or like, you know, if you like leave like a military, like the military and you were in battle together, there's like that like sense of closest that bonds you, you know? Oh, I know it.

I know it. I went to on a trip with this podcast to Tahoe and we hung out with a couple people from the Bachelor franchise and they're friends that I don't get to see like on a very regular basis. But when we get together, it's like no time has passed. We were so comfortable together because that shared experience. I can go on and on and on, but I feel like we should just have everybody who's listening, watch your story. So it's the one that got away on Prime Video.

You can stream it all now. I'm so happy for you. I have so many more questions for Alon when it comes to reality dating. So perhaps we can have you on again. And Vince, congratulations on the engagement. That's so awesome. Thank you so much. Ashley, hug your family.

family for me, all of them. Thank you. Thank you. I will. I said hi. Thank you. I will. All right. Thank you for joining us. See ya. Take care.

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