The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Speak Up and Stand Together.

Episode Date: June 3, 2020

Ben and Ashley reflect on the tense and upsetting events of the last few days and how they feel witnessing demonstrations and protests across the country. Ben has been criticized for not giving his personal strong opinion and speaking his mind, and today, he addresses that.Keltie Knight from The Lady Gang shares what she’s learned about herself and the world since the turmoil. And we hear some stories from her days on “The Bachelor”.  Did you know she was on The Bachelor?!Plus, we talk to former Bachelor contestant looking for a "baby daddy" on “Labor of Love”, Bachelor alum Kristy Katzmann. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And a lot has happened since we talked last, Ben. Crazy how two weeks in the world is a different place. Yeah. Wow. It's been two weeks since we talked. we took last week off in remembrance of Memorial Day. We're back this week. Ashley, there's a lot that I want to say.

Say it, then. I'm sure you have a lot to say, too. From what I've heard from you on social media so far, you've been saying so many great things, so many powerful things. And I don't know. I'm very inarticulate in moments like this, but you shine.

So I want you to talk. well i need to give our listeners a little backstory and you've known this as my co-host and our team knows this i've been really struggling with this podcast um and and it started with a message that i got on instagram months ago where somebody had said that our uh facebook group had became so hateful and hate filled so i started reading it and i saw the negative um things that about you and i about others about our like people that listen to the podcast and it started to just hit deep it took i mean all of my confidence away um it took a lot of my excitement for getting on here and talking to you and talking to our fans and our listeners and our

friends um a lot of the criticism i listened to which i don't typically do a lot of the criticism came and said in the words of hey i over explain myself so i've been working on that i get it and when more than one person says it, I want to listen. I don't want to not listen. Another criticism said that I'm too preachy. And quite frankly, like, if you're going to listen to a podcast that I host, you're going to hear me talk about Jesus. Like, I don't know what else to say. Like, it's just, it's part of my belief system as part of my life. If you don't like it, I don't know why you still listen. Like, I'm not going to stop talking about who I am. But even if you disagree, I hope we can at least have a conversation and get somewhere.

of understanding. I mean, that's why you do podcast. Another criticism said that my questions, I lead up to them too much. That's fair too, and I'll listen to those things. But it started to sink in, and I started to feel it. Another thing that was said, and this is why I say all this, as I started to really try to process this, another criticism was I was to PC. And I'm not unfamiliar with that criticism. I've had it forever. And, I've tried consciously here of the last few months to figure out where that comes from. Because a lot of times I'm PC because they're complex issues. They have a lot of different sides.

And to pick a side and pound it into the ground and put my steak in the ground on one side, oftentimes feels irresponsible and it feels like I'm causing more harm than good because I'm not listening any longer. I'm not hearing the other side because I'm stuck in my ways and so I try to stay in the middle we know the stories that we talk about actually you know I talk about all the things the headlines that we cover

oftentimes there's a lot going on behind the scenes that nobody knows and so how are we supposed to speak so I guess strongly on them and then two weeks ago Hannah Brown comes out and says the N-word

on social media and it takes me let's even backtrack Ahmad Arbery is shot in cold blood running down a street on a jog for no reason that's where it starts okay and then Hannah says the N word and then Hannah disappears doesn't say anything like she's gone and we get criticism on this podcast because we said that Hannah was wrong

for what she did that's about where we left it And Ashley, I'll stick to that. Now, there's more to the story here. There is. And I do want to address the fan backlash that we got a little of. Like, honestly, it wasn't that bad. But there were people out there. And Hannah addressed them in her apology.

But we'll get to that later. So you have a great young man running down the street going for a jog in a neighborhood and he's shot. and and so it feels like at that point a lot of our eyes and ears are open to racial injustice how are we going to respond i mean hey it's not a secret there's two white people hosting this podcast right we we are not experts on this topic there's a lot of things that you and i do not know a lot of things that we'll never be able to relate with and a lot of things that we are learning but Hannah Brown was wrong what Hannah did was not right

now at the same time should we dismiss Hannah Brown never and we never insinuated canceling her so here's my here's here's where if you want to call me PC here's where you could probably add into this my hope is that we turn

to forgiving loving accepting Hannah but recognizing what she did was wrong what she said was wrong if you're a hannah fan i urge you to hear what i'm saying what she said was not right her apology was not great she blamed her brother and she posted on instagram originally two weeks later she comes out in an apology that i hope we can all listen to as friends as family as fans i hope we can hear what hannah says and hey she has a lot to learn but she's not saying she was all right she was not saying what she did was right she said

that she's happy that people who spoke out held her accountable she told her fans don't defend me on this i was wrong and it leads us to the point of saying okay we've gone through one scenario that wrecked our lives, it wrecked our world with Ahmad Arbery. We move into a situation that, hey, Hannah made a mistake. I think everybody was begging for her to apologize and speak out because we were ready to forgive. I think the black community from my friends that are black, from what Rachel Lindsay has said, what Mike Johnson has said, they were ready to forgive, but they wanted to hear from Hannah. We heard from Hannah. And people have responded. People have responded. And we're all learning. So now let's throw us in the pool of as white people, we are learning what is going

on in the world around us right now. We are hearing the cries. We are hearing the screams. We are recognizing the protests. Then you have George Floyd. And why? And this is where I want to dive deep into this a little bit. Because typically when it comes to topics that we talk about in the podcast that's hard to pick aside it's hard to put our stake in the ground it's hard to lean in on a topic we're going to dance down the middle because that's all we know how to do because you need to hear both sides before we come to a conclusion except for now except for now now we dig deep and for anybody out there listening to this going hey this feels heavy hey all of a sudden i'm getting defensive hey all of a sudden this black lives matter talk is

making me my skin crawl, then I beg you as people that Ashley Knight, and I mean this, as we, people that we really do love, I just beg you to take a step back and realize it's okay to not know. It's okay to not be aware. It's okay that if you come into this situation going, wow, this is so confusing for me. But it's not okay to not learn. It's not okay to shut down. It's not okay to look at a man with a knee on his neck and realize that this, is a horrid situation

one that angers us as a country one that angers most humans but we also need to recognize that what we're seeing in the protest now and what we saw in the video of George Floyd is not the first time this has happened that it might be one of the first times that we've been awoken up to this

but we're waking up and I beg you fans of the Almost Famous podcast that if you don't like what I'm saying If you don't like what the black community is saying right now, if you don't like the idea that black lives matter, and that's not to say that all lives don't matter. But there's a great parallel here where we say that if a neighbor's house is burning down and yours isn't, you're going to put water on the house that's burning down because it's a pressing issue.

It's the one that needs to be talked about right now. That's a great analogy. But it's not saying that your house doesn't matter. Your house 100% matters. But right now, we need to shout from the rooftops that Black Lives Matter. And if you don't like what I'm saying, that I just ask that you leave this podcast because, quite frankly, Ashley, the hate that's on our Facebook group and the negative comments that's coming in about the podcast, even though our listening in Cal is higher than ever and bigger

than ever, like those aren't the people I want to have around in this community. I want to have a group of people listening to this podcast that is listening to the voices and the screams and the cries of humans around them black humans and people of other colors saying listen to me I'm hurting listen to me you've seen it listen to me learn from me hear me I want those people listening to the podcast I want those people a part of this group I want those people leaning on each other in the Facebook group I want those people encouraging you and I because this is not easy all the time. And I want those people encouraging the black community and I want the almost famous podcast to be a podcast that's represented in kindness and love and care and also has a ton of fun

talking about Bachelor World. But Ashley, it's time to wake up. This isn't a funny topic. This isn't a fun topic. As I've heard from my black friends and I've been educated over the last few weeks, especially the last week, I've realized how much I don't know, how much I'm learning. Exactly. It's so amazing. It's so amazing because you know that racism exists, but you don't know how prevalent it is. I never knew how prevalent it was. I didn't know that it was like still when I see these videos, I'm like, I, this is so, I can't believe this is our country, right? And you just, your eyes are, you feel like your eyes are always open. But I, I, this is. I mean, our, but there was so much that we weren't, I can't speak about this stuff.

I'm so bad at it. And I wish I could be articulate about it. My sister wrote me like the best text yesterday, which just kind of explains it all. She's like, I have so many feelings, but I have no idea how to express them. Ashley, let's start here. How does this make you feel? I'm just like, I'm just very bad at talking about it. but it doesn't mean that I can't, like, that I don't feel things.

Sometimes it can get very frustrating because, like, you can, like, I'm going to just crying. Go ahead. No, it's okay. Ashley, Ashley, what we're saying here is, like, these are how these, like, these are where the topics need to start and the conversations need to start. Like, you're emotional. Why?

I guess this is very overwhelming. There's just, there's so many, like, there's just, like, a lot of emotions that you, like, something you want to express, but there's this, you're, you're kind of, like, scared and nervous to find the words to do it, and then you also want to admit to being, like, ignorant to it in the past, you know? I do know. I'm with you. like I am like I have been so ignorant to this I sat two nights ago and my mom started crying because

she made this statement she said it's wild to me how little we've all known and I speak and I'm there's there's people out there that listen to this being like hey I've always known and that's great and like that's great but you but we have you have to understand that there's many of us that are just trying to learn and it's not easy to admit but i'm 31 years old and this is a topic that i know so little about like this crushes my soul but it's also there's

something beautiful oh man and i don't even know how this is going to come across but there's something beautiful and my mom said this that the first time that we've rallied together after quarantine after being stuck in our homes for two months is for issues that are so needed to be talked about that the first time groups have come together is to stand in the name that lives matter, that black lives matter, to stand in the name of supporting the George Floyds of the world, to stand in the name of the families who have lost loved ones due to racism, to stand up and hold hands in a united front with people who have been scared, in a lot of ways, hopeless, because they don't have a history to look back on that's been

positive or they've been treated well at all, to stand united with them for the first time in two months and say, we hear you, we recognize you, we've listened, and just teach us. Yeah, I'm also just, I guess, a little scared of people becoming, like you said at the top the podcast like there's only one right opinion here there's like the other you know yeah so but people are finding a lot of divisiveness in it and i just every we just need people to unite and it's scary that there's just a lot of while people should be accepting that need those need to be educated um there's some people out there who are getting so defensive like you said that it's kind of scary to see that some people may not unite over this yeah and that's

why i'm saying like hey i'm not going to stop talking about who i am as a person i'm not going to stop And Ashley, like, I don't want you to. I know you don't want me to. Like, I'm not going to stop sharing about why I believe what I believe. And I'm not going to overshare on topics that I don't know a lot about. And when it comes to things that are hard to decipher, like, I am going to walk down the middle and so are you. But I've read your comments. I've heard your concerns.

I will listen to the fact that I set up my questions too much. Great. Like, fine. I'll get better at that. I'll try really hard. I'm sorry. I just sometimes feel like I need to over-explain because I don't think I come off clearly all the time. Well, you also feel like you need to over-explain sometimes because you worry that people are going to interpret it in a way that wasn't intended. 100%. And so all most famous fans, listeners, people that are going to be tuning in this podcast, here's what, here's what we're going to do.

We're going to listen to your concerns and we're going to listen to your critiques of us, but we won't listen to any time. type of racism if at some point you're listening to this going that the things that have happened over the last few weeks are not gravely concerning if they are not putting you in tears like they're putting Ashley in tears then I'm going to politely ask you to stop listening to this podcast like I don't want to push you away I don't want to say this isn't a place for all it is but this is not a place for hate and until you can turn your perspective into more a loving and accepting until you can see yourself as a human with a ton of purpose and that your words really do matter and your words really can hurt and your emotions really do need to be carefully

considered before they're communicated in a public forum until you can come with that perspective into this this is not a community for you because this is a community of people that love the bachelor that love the people from the bachelor that love to hate the bachelor that love to hate the people from The Bachelor and we have a lot of fun talking about it. But when it comes to human beings and it comes to topics like racism, this is not a place for you if you're going to stand on the side of anti-black lives. This is not the place for you. It isn't. And I just want people to know that are listening to this. And I think we should take this moment before we move on to fluffier things um to applaud hannah for her apology she posted a 20 minute apology it was live

on instagram then she posted it to her main feed and she talked about how she went silent for two weeks because she wanted to really educate herself she didn't want to just say i'm sorry and not really know not what she was sorry before but for just saying it she really wanted to dive deep And she read books. I think she even took a course on just the history of the word she used, the black culture. And I think that she is genuinely, sincerely sorry. And it's time, well, not that I'm the person that needs to forgive her, but I hope that people forgive her. And I hope that people accept her apology and do believe that she's.

trying to become a better person in a more educated person i mean her heart was very evident to me in that apology i mean that's it too is like the part that place that we sit is like i'm not the one that needs to forgive hannah yeah um but what i can recognize is that like what she did was wrong and i'm gonna like i'm gonna learn from hana's mistake along with many others out there she's admitted she was wrong I don't think anybody at least anybody that I've seen have said hey

we want to just push Hannah aside we want to hate Hannah nobody's ever said that that has never been a topic everybody's been upset that she didn't speak out sooner but now she has it seems like I mean we just have to take her apology for what it was like she wants to get better

and she wants to learn but we aren't the ones to forgive her but we can learn with her and learn alongside of her and we can be educated by the same things that she's being educated by there's a ton of resources out there i ask that you uh anybody listening starts to look those up um it feels like before we start bringing on our guest ashley here's and i texted you this it feels like a revival of sorts a revival that will

start to uh bring us all together united a revival that's forcing us um to wake up a revival that's forcing us to unite a revival that will all understand how much purpose we have and that every small action we make towards any person really does matter and and I know this and I will speak about Jesus here and if you don't believe in Jesus then whatever it is you believe in if you don't believe anything just understand this I will say this that based on 31 years of my life. I feel like we're always on an arc towards more justice and more love. And I believe that this situation presenting ourselves that we're presented with right now,

it's heavy, it's hard, we shouldn't move past it as fast as we can. We're sitting in it right now. But I believe it will put us in a better place in the long run. I really, really hope you're. right. I hope so too. Oh, I think in the very long run for sure. I hope so too. Ashley, uh, hey, I want to take this time. I just want to say it again. And, um, I appreciate you as a co-host. I do. I love your heart. I know that you're, as a co-host. Well, I just, I love how much you do care. And, and I know that sometimes the words to express how you're feeling and the anger that you're

feeling is not always easy, um, because you communicate with your emotions. You always have. Exactly. it's like I can't like I'm very very bad at using words sometimes but like it just comes out of my eyes it really does it really does and Ashley um and almost famous fans uh let's spend this time um to wake up to pay attention to humble ourselves to learn and to educate and I'm not saying this because I'm talking down to you I'm saying this as a peer and as a friend and um as somebody who gets to sit on a mic and you get to that we get to talk with each other every week um i'm saying this as a friend of yours just to say let's wake up let's be a community that accepts and loves and cares and we get better at hosting ashely and i will work our hardest to get better at hosting and i hope

you get better at listening and we can all move forward together um i'll share a hosting insecurity later in the podcast before we go okay sounds good ash okay uh ashley um this this is going to be something we talk about throughout the podcast today. It's a podcast focused on bringing awareness and speaking about who in Bachelor Nation has spoke up. We'll touch on Hannah Brown again. We'll talk about Rachel Lindsay and Mike Johnson. But first, let's take a break. We do have two special guests that we've been scheduled to have for weeks now. Out of respect for everybody, we need to bring them on. And so let's take one break. When we come back, we're going to bring on Kelty Knight, who is promoting a new book.

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And so for a bit of time here, I'm sure our guests are going to want to recognize what's going on. Give them grace, give us grace, and moving forward with these interviews because they have been scheduled for a while. and have respect for all of them, we want to bring them on because they have a lot of things that they're doing in their lives that we need to talk about and want to talk about. So our first guest today is Kelty Knight. She is promoting a book called Act Like a Lady. Kelty, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. You guys, thanks so much for having me on. And I love your show. Obviously, this isn't like what you would expect a book week, a book launch week. You guys have launched things before on your own. You know that it's like you work so hard for a year and a half. And it's

not, you know, it's not supposed to be this. And it is very uncomfortable. I don't think anyone wants to get on a microphone and try to entertain the masses because nothing you do today or tomorrow or in the coming months is going to be the right thing. You know what I mean? And both of you coming from, obviously, I know you, you guys have souls and you have thoughts and you have so many things. We come from a land of bachelor nation, which everyone assumes that you maybe don't have those things and that it's just this frivolous place. And now you become, the speakers of a generation and what pressure to put on you, you know? And so I'm really of the mindset of I'm trying to be gentle with myself and I'm trying to be gentle with other people

because I'm doing the best I can and it's imperfect. And this is going to be a lifetime of education. There's not going to be one time where I could come back on your show and say, I have figured it out. I have figured out how to be a black ally in this world. But we have to try and we have to educate ourselves. And the thing that I really learned that I'm embarrassed that I learned at 38 years old after being on television for a decade is that it is not the responsibility of our black friends to educate us. I saw so many people in our lady gang Facebook group myself reaching out to my black friends and saying, you know, what do you think I should do? And they're like, go fuck yourself. Like you should know what to do. It is not, I'm exhausted from just

being black. Like, it is not my job to go around and educate you. And so I think that's a turning point that I've had. Um, you know, I love this conversation of it's not enough to just say, I'm not a racist person. I'm not a racist person. I don't lip sync the N word when I'm singing rap songs. Like I, you know, there's different levels, right? Of like, of these, of people. And it's like, I'm one of those people that's like, never, never, never. So I consider myself, like, I'm, I'm good at this, but I'm not. You know what I mean? I learned this week so many things, even just in the last four or five days that I was doing wrong, that I was asking, you know, the community to help me when it's not their job to help me. And so, you know, I think I'm sick to my stomach. I haven't

slept. I'm sick. And like, can you imagine what that feels like on us, what we feel, how uncomfortable we feel right now? These people have been feeling this way their whole lives. And that was my first question is what have you learned in the last few weeks? And, you know, maybe you're, you know, we said it earlier. Maybe you've been the type of person who has been learning this your whole life. But one of the hardest realizations for me and Ashley, personally, as we've talked offline, is there's been a plank in my eye for 31 years of my life. I thought I knew what I was doing was right.

I thought I knew that I wasn't a racist. But as you said, I'm learning this week that there are things that I've done every day. things that I've said, there's ways I've treated people that is exhausting for the black community, that is exhausting that it's not fair and it's not right. So my first question was, what have you learned? It's interesting that you say, and we'll get into the book in a second, but it's interesting that you say that it's not the job of the black community to educate us. Can you dive into that a little bit? Because it has, I mean, you're right. If we're exhausted this week, right say you and i are sitting here and ashley sitting there and ashie was in tears a little bit

ago and we're saying oh my gosh this has been an exhausting week holy cow let's take a step back and realize that that this like how how privileged is it for us to say it's been an exhausting week because if you said this is a lifetime for them right well it's interesting you know um i i think the thing that i've learned is that it was really really interesting. I had this wonderful conversation with one of the co-hosts on Entertainment Tonight, Nichelle Turner, who I love, like a sister. We work together for a decade. We share a love of fashion. We geek out over celebrities. We host the SAG Awards for ED together. Like, we match our outfits. I'm actually really just embarrassed. Like, I'm so sorry because I've been your

friend for all these years, but, like, have I been a good friend? Like, I'm not sure that I have. And I think I've come to you before and said, ooh, what do you think of this? And I've realized it's not, you know, your job to educate me. And she said something so wonderful. She said, Kelty, you know, anytime you're uncomfortable or you're making progress, there's nothing to be ashamed about. So you shouldn't feel ashamed about that. And she said, and anyone who makes you feel that way is probably off a little bit.

And then she said, you know, I've had a very similar learning experience with the LGBTQ community. She's like, I grew up in the South, Black South. like I maybe didn't have my lessons in that. And so I actually loved that answer because it made me feel like we all as human beings have something to learn. This is the thing this week that we absolutely have to focus on long term. This can't just be like a flash and a pan thing, obviously. But, you know, it's like I was really appreciative.

And I think that when you show that you're doing the work, that I think our friends, our black friends are thankful for that. You know, with Lady Gang yesterday, we realized. we kind of sat back and took a couple days and, you know, we have, we don't do politics on our podcast. We don't do politics on our Facebook because we felt like when we started the brand, you know, politics is that thing that divides people, right? It's like, you're left or you're right. And I'm Canadian, so I'm like different, you know, and there's like, UK. And, you know, so it's like, if we want this one world community of women, like, you can't really

do politics. And so we always took it out of the group. And then we realized, well, maybe we've done ourselves a disservice by kind of avoiding these hard conversations because it's a little easier. And we had to go to our fans and be like, we f***ed up. And we didn't use our power in the right way. And like, we have to change that. And now we are, but how embarrassing. We've been doing this for five years. I've been on TV for 10 years. Like, I'm 40. It's so fucking pathetic that we're doing this right now. Like, I'm so embarrassed that I'm reading the book, white fragility for the first time. Like, I should have been doing this when I was 19. Like, I'm six.

Yeah. No. Thanks for sharing. I appreciate you, Kelty. Thank you for sharing. And yeah, just to add on, thanks for coming on. But we do have a book to promote. It feels so stupid.

I literally am like, what am I doing? And also, I'm like a psycho. Like, all I want to do is promote this book. Like, I have loved and lived this book for a year and a half. Like, it's like I'm birthing my child and they can't get the baby out. But tell us about the book. It's called Act Like a Lady. So basically it's totally stupid in light of what's happening in the world.

But here's what you do. You get your book that's going to help you change your mindset on these issues that are in our country. You get your face mask and you wear it and you don't go to the fucking beach and be beside someone four feet away only. And then you get Act Like a Lady Off Amazon. You put it on the bookshelf for a week. And then when you feel like the time is right for something. something fun. You open the book and you see the vagina wallpaper and you know that this is going to be this is going to be where you're going to go with the book. So Jack drew these vaginas. Now the book is

essentially, thanks for asking. I feel so stupid. I'm just going to say this again. Like I feel ridiculous. But listen, this is a year and a half of hard work and I want to honor it that work. So the book's in four points. It's your relationship with yourself, your relationship with your lover, your relationship with your career and your relationship with your friends. And we came together and we wrote all of these super vulnerable essays about those different things in our lives. So, you know, I was married when I was 20 and I talk about being like a 20 year old bride where my dad was like, here we go, pumpkin. And I'm pretty sure he meant like, you don't have to do this. Do you want me to get you out of here right now?

Like, as I didn't know you were married before. It's like my best kept secret. I have not talked about it. this is what you're supposed to do like when jessica simpson was like i had an emotional favorite johnny knoxville in her book you keep like when you're a real celebrity you keep all your deepest darkest secrets for the print um so yeah i was married i don't know yeah i was married when i was married when i was 20 um i was married for 11 months to this guy from new york who i think is in the fbi now it's all in the book it's like too much of a story to even share but um so

we talk about that and like vulnerable things like um oh when i had my neck done like two years ago, which feels even stupider to talk about right now. Yeah. When I had a 35-year-old necklift, because I had a waddle and it bothered me because I'm in that vein and stupid. But we talk about losing people. We talk about, you know, Becca has like dated a sex addict. So we talk about, I mean, there's just like a lot of those juicy. So you have stories from your, your co-host, your lady gang co-host, Becca Tobin and Jack Vanek. Jack Vanek. And then people. People might be wondering, okay, like, we like Kelsey, we know her from ET, but why, why are the almost famous podcast? Why is she here? Well, you guys don't know. A lot of you don't know. Tell them why you are an appropriate fit for this podcast. Okay. So you know, all you bitches and men's, when you are like, you know what I want to do? I want to go on The Bachelor. That looks like fun. I am the person that will tell you do not can do that. You guys have both had luck somewhat. of luck. Well, now it all turned out okay. But so I was an unemployed something, 20 something,

without a television, by the way. I loved us weekly. Like, and I would see all these people come out and I was like, this is the show for me. I'm going to be fucking Trista Sutter. Like, I got this. So I went on and I lasted 24 hours. It was the most traumatic experience of my life. It was Emily Maynard season. And I was in a limo with Emily Maynard. Oh, you were, okay. You were on Bradwell-Mex season while Emily was there. Okay. Season two, his second time in the limo was like Emily Maynard and Michelle Money and me. Oh, God, that's an intimidating bunch. I remember looking at them and being like, I have no boobs.

And I've just realized this for the first time of my life. And like, there's no fucking way this guy is going to want to grow with no boobs. And I walked out and I remember walking up to him. And I was like, oh, like, you know, they make you wear so much makeup. you remember Ben like yeah so much makeup and I was like this guy is like oh so much makeup and I was like gross anyway I did an amazing fucking high kick out of the limo which I don't think I get enough credit for and then I got kicked off and it was so dramatic to the point that Caitlin Bristol and I grew up together so their moms Leslie her mom and my mom Sheila were like best friends they all worked at

the dance studio together like I was in every kid fashion show where with Caitlin and her sister, like we, anyway, so Caitlin, like three years later writes me this email and she's like, hey, I'm thinking about going on The Bachelor. I'm living Vancouver right now. And I wrote her this impassioned plate. I was like, Caitlin, this is something that they can never take from you forever. No matter what you do, you're going to be that girl who went on the Bachelor. I was like, it was the worst experience of my life. They, yeah, I was like, it was so embarrassing. Like, oh my God, do not go. And then like, I never. hear from her and then all of a sudden she's like the bachelorette i'm like oh my god and now we

always laugh about it because i'm like can you imagine like you built this whole career and she's like all this stuff she's doing and i'm like and i told you to just stay being a waitress in vancouver great advice kelty don't use my advice so that's hilarious kelty my last question for you because we got to we got to the leading lady of labor of love oh i love her yeah she's so pretty how did you get from being the girl that was eliminated night one to like a host on ET insanely popular podcast just you just kind of like pretended like it never happened right and you just built this amazing career no I mean the thing is is that when you get kicked off so fast it's like you don't have any of the notoriety and when I start when I was on there was no

like Instagram like it wasn't like it is now where like reality Steve is uncovering the fucking spoilers like it didn't work like that so I I kind of went off and then I was actually a professional dancer at the time and I was still dancing and kept doing that career and I had this blog and it had become kind of popular and I'd been creating all these YouTube videos. And then I was at a lunch and this girl at CBS is like, do you want to make some digital videos for CBS? And I was like, okay, what's that? I'm like, I'd never went to a real job interview before in my life and like showed up in like my Van Halen T-shirt and they were like, oh, that's an interesting choice. And then I started making the videos and

they did really well and then I just spent 10 years like moving up the ladder um to do TV so I mean there's a million ways that you can like get into it it's just a lot of people don't have that work ethic like to do what you guys are doing like it's like yeah it's so fun and it's so great but like it's also J-O-B and that's not always fun you know I just looked up by the way I just looked up on Google your kick no no no your bachelor or your bachelor picture uh it's it's hard to find because it's under the name Kelty Bush. Oh, yeah, that's my maiden name. But it's there, and it's a good one.

We're going to post it to the Bachelor, to our Facebook group. Yeah, you got to. Please. First of all, the Ombray hair, that just shows you how long ago it was. Oh, my goodness. It's really fantastic. Well, hey, Kelty Knight, thank you for coming on once again. Her new book, Act Like a Lady, is available now.

Keltie, where can people find it before we let you go? Yeah, everywhere books are sold. So like Amazon, Barnes & Noble, books a million, we're asking people to support indie booksellers right now, and that's it. Awesome. Hey, Kilty Night. Thanks a lot. Thanks, guys.

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and listen to the new season of the Overcumper podcast as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. There is obviously, as we mentioned, a lot going on in Bachelor Nation right now, and a lot of it, rightfully so has been kind of surrounding the topic of educating everybody on the just in a sense systematic, not even in a sense, the truth that systematic racism has existed in the United States since the beginning. And again, as we mentioned at the beginning of the podcast, if that makes you uneasy to hear, I just, you know what, I just ask you take a step back and spend some time educating yourself now nobody is saying that uh that we need to dismiss people nobody is saying

that there is not a brighter future ahead nobody is saying that we just stop here but the topics surrounding everything right now is hey we need to start listening we need to stand up um and and the protests are about not only the fact that black lives matter but also against police brutality and recently we've seen police officers join in on these marches and these protests because I don't want to say a majority, I don't know the numbers, but a lot of police officers who, and we have people that are listening right now that have family members of police officers, they're good people who want to do a good thing in this world

and who are here in batch of terms the right reasons. But there are a select few police officers out there. And maybe there's more than anybody's ever known that, that need to be found out, that need to be removed from their jobs, and some of which need to be, charges need to be pressed because they have continued to bring down and focus on the black community for too long. And in relation to the story that, and the video that we've seen this week with George Floyd's death, there's been too many people that have had their knees literally on the necks of black humans for too long. And it's time to stand up. And some of the

people that have been leading us through this are Rachel Lindsay from Bachelor Nation. Rachel Lindsay has been very outspoken and we are learning a ton from her right now. She has updated her picture to Ahmad Arbery, who was shot just a few weeks ago. And she's also been starting a podcast called Higher Learning. She's doing that with Van Lathen to educate us all on topics really pressing that are pressing the country right now. So right now they're obviously focusing on the things that are prevalent and the protests and the riots and the unfair death of really great people. But this podcast will continue and they'll just continue to keep us updated and educated. In addition to that,

Mike Johnson has posted a photo that gained a lot of attention and that people are responding to. Ashley, Mike posted this photo and added a link. caption that explained a lot of kind of his, his upbringing and what he just wanted to communicate to all of us on where he's came from, what his dreams are and who he is as a man. Should you read it? I think we should. It's long, but Ashley, take it away. He said, I didn't always believe in myself or my voice growing up.

I always thought the idea of accomplishing a big dream, let alone surpassing one, was just something that could be talked about but never actually realized. A lot of things took place in my life that reinforced that for me. And for a long time, I never felt truly seen. That's why representation matters. And that's why my work at BBS America is so important. It's for nearly a decade. He says, I've been working as a big through their incredible organization, which means that I've had the opportunity to show up for a little child waiting to believe in his voice. Many of the children are on the wait list for younger versions of myself. Black kids are watching the news, hearing different points of view, and not understanding

where they fit in. It really shouldn't be that hard for a kid to see their potential or know their safety. Through this mentorship of young people, we can add to the work being done to heal our society. This is not an ad, nor is it a solution. the only solution this is just a calling from my heart to yours to consider becoming a big in your hometown to help advance the conversation with the next generation of young people who will do better in this world because they have been seen yeah so it's it's things like this that are they're helping educate us not and as we've talked about it is not the job of the black community to educate us.

We have to take responsibility for that. But it's resources like the one Mike shared and involving everybody involving themselves in those organizations and those missions and those causes that will help us progress forward. I also want to add one little thing. If you guys saw my Instagram yesterday, my friend had a really great idea. On NBA 2K, which is one of his favorite games, they had this cool thing with COVID-19 where you can do an in-game donation and he was hoping that we could get the attention of somebody at NBA 2K to do the same thing but for the organizations supporting this kind

of change that we need in the world so he was thinking about having the NBA players in the digital game be wearing certain jerseys that advocate advocate for change and to have the like basically to have a $5 donation or so on and then you can have your entire digital team be wearing these jerseys and then the money would go to these organizations. So if you guys like this idea or you know somebody in the NBA 2K community who works for them has ties or clout to the game, just go to my recent Instagram post, post in the comments and then I'll try to pass it on to who I can. Thanks, Ash.

uh hannah brown has as we mentioned uh came out and apologized for using the n word in a rap song a few weeks ago the uh coming from a direct quote from hannah during the apology uh she is completely focused on educating herself even hiring an educator to help she says and this is hannah's words help me understand the things that i've never even have been taught learned or been a part of my education before later in the apology. Hannah says this, to all the fans and listeners. She said, she concluded her video with this. She says, if you want to support me, do not defend me.

What I did, what I said was indefensible. She later says, I don't need anybody to defend me for what I did because what I said, what I did was wrong. But I'm hoping that what I did was wrong, but what I'm hoping that what I did was wrong, but what I didn't know even before is, worst part of it and it's the ignorance i'm no longer ignorant and i'm no longer going to be a part of the problem brown vowed i'll be a part of the solution and if you see that from the bottom of my heart i am sorry i'm sorry to everyone i hurt and disappointed i promise to continue to do better i promise

that's from hannah brown in her apology this week uh she took to instagram live and it's about 20 minutes long uh and it's really i think what fans what non fans people who are angry Hannah what they were kind of crying for for a while was Hannah we need to hear from you and she just took a while but it sounds like during that time she was educating herself on on why and and what and how that what she said was wrong kind of the history and the heaviness to using the N word in any circumstance we are certainly not the people to accept the apology from Hannah but we definitely respect her being on this learning mission and to encourage others to get on the train with her as well. I really do feel like she's trying to better herself. Yeah, I think so too. And that's the hope.

And I don't think, and we never condoned her being canceled. I think what everybody was just waiting for was a very genuine apology and I think we got it. Definitely. Yeah, we just wouldn't know where she stood. If she didn't want to apologize, then that would teach us something else. We were just kind of waiting to from Hannah and she finally did well in more bachelor nation news um bachelor nation has been sending their support to colton and cassie after announced their split now i didn't see this coming i didn't interview last week and i wrongfully said that i don't think cassie and colton were not together because colton was posting pictures and seeming very happy and i was like i just don't i mean i've been in that situation it's heavy it's hard it's confusing but we did find out that

Colton and Cassie have broken up. They seem like they've done it on mutually good terms. What do you know, Ash? There's not much, but I know that Kat, there's not much more to elaborate on, but Cassie is really annoyed. There's a lot of stories going around that this was a long time coming and that she tried to break up with him multiple times before this one actually stuck. And she is very much going after those publications saying that that is not the case

at all um she she and colton um they split at some point after he left her family's house once he recovered from covid and i started to get a little bit suspicious when it was her birthday and his birthday message didn't sound like one to a girlfriend and then when he left and went to do you see go to Colorado Colorado yeah When he went to Colorado without her, I was like, you know, they're not engaged. They're not married. It's not that weird. But then I felt like as time went on and there was less and less mentions of each other,

I started to become a little, I started speculating a bit. But, you know, I thought that possibly they were going through a rough patch. And I am sad to hear the end of them. I really think that they were so adorable and to think about how hard Colin fought for her. And all the wonderful things that he says about her in the book. Their relationship just seemed so sweet whenever I was around it. So I'm pretty sad about it. Yeah, it's tough.

But we're thinking of them. It's never fun to go through a public breakup. We wish them both the best. In other Bachelor news, Lauren and Ari got pregnant this month, and then she suffered a miscarriage. It's very sad. They have a half an hour video up on their YouTube explaining the entire past couple weeks where she had a missed miscarriage, which means that the embryo didn't quite miscarry and there's some like at eight weeks the embryo was only at five weeks they're going to do a far better job they do a far better job

explaining the actual kind of miscarriage that she had so go check that out on youtube we're really sorry and we're thinking about them but um in brighter news we did have a bachelor birth this week bachelor in paradise alum jenna cooper welcome to her first child her name is presley bell and she is a beautiful baby she has a full head of brown hair and she shares the child with her new boyfriend who um she's been with for i think about a year now and if you go on in jena's social media you'll see that she kind of gave us a headline of the moment she went into labor to her getting to the hospital and then Presley's birth. This is huge Bachelor news.

Victoria Fuller and Crystal's are apparently exclusively dating. Ben and I both have told you guys that we haven't really talked to Chris about this. So we are not the ones that are anonymously saying that they are exclusively dating to Us magazine, but this source, unnamed, says that they are exclusive and damned as it Seemed like Victoria has been a lot of time on the farm. She looks to have been in Iowa for at least six weeks now. She is still quarantining over there, and she took a little drive up to see Kelsey from her season. So it seems like we have a new bachelor couple to add to the list of happy couples we got going on out there.

Madison Pruitt will not be in a happy couple anytime soon. She says that after the dating experience she had on The Bachelor, she's just going to lay low for a while and she says quote after i go through something big in life like a breakup a transition a move a change or anything like that i really try to take the time to make sure my heart is in the best place and then my heart mind and body are all healthy she said that she's been taking time to really get back to the best version of herself and make sure that she's in a great place and right now she hasn't even considered going on dates or anything like that and anybody who's asked about you know her going on dates she's just been saying i'm focusing on myself right now

She further denies there being any sort of serious flirtation with Connor. Last week on my husband's podcast, Dean Unglert said that he one time slid in to Andy Dorfman's DMs. He saw a picture of her and BFF Amanda Stanton on Instagram, and he was like, oh, that girl's cute. Then he clicked on the picture and he was like, oh, that's Andy Dorfman, the past Bachelorette. Dean doesn't exactly remember whether or not he slid into the DM or whether he just had Amanda tried to put in a good word for him but the bottom line is he thought Andy Dorfman was cute

but now is very happy in a year-long relationship with Caitlin now we got some crossing of the reality TV lines and 90-day fiance star Fernando Flores is now dating Bachelor alum

Clay Harbor they even aired a date last week on TV via Zoom. It's the 90-day fiancé self-quarantined edition. It was on Monday's episode where the 22-year-old had a date with Clay. They apparently have gone out on a date that happened before quarantine. She said she wasn't in the best place back then. She was just recently just, you know, finalized her divorce, but now she's getting to a better place and I guess she's zooming on TV with Clay. And finally, our last

piece of Bachelor news, and it's an important one, guys. Bachelor producers have a surprising plan for how the Bachelor franchise will film in quarantine. I don't really know if it's surprising because we did speculate about it a couple months ago, but it looks like they're going to decide on a resort location to film the entire season at very soon. They go on to say that it's not so much the guys self-quarantining that's going to be the big problem here when it comes to the COVID era, but it's going to be having so much staff, so much production in such close quarters because they're even talking about the control room would normally have like at least 10 people in something the size of a trailer, 10, 15 people. And that is going to be really hard to create distance in.

So that is what they're trying to figure out now. But when we do figure out what resort or what state they'll be filming in, of course, we will let you know here. We're just excited. And as far as the timeline goes, it looks as if they still have their goal on a September air. All right. Well, those are your bachelor headlines. After the break, we're going to have somebody who is a Bachelor alum that you may know, but may have no idea was on the show before. Hi, my name is Enya Humanzor.

And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you.

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incarceration on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts all right guys so now we have the leading lady of labor of love it is on thursdays at nine o'clock eight central on fox and you guys don't tell abcc or mike flitz or mike flitzer or anything thing. But it's very similar to The Bachelorette, except in this case, the lady is looking for more of a sperm donor than a lover. But it's kind of somewhere in between. So I'm going to get Christy Katzman on the line, and she's going to tell me about her new Fox Show Labor of Love. Hey, Christy. Hi. Okay, Chrissy. We just had Kelty. We just had Kelty. night on and she was on the bachelor many years ago not many years ago 10 years ago

brad walmack's first season and you were also on brad walmack's season but you were on the first of his two seasons right yes one point now and you lasted five weeks gosh it's hard to remember the timeline i was in final six so oh wow it used to be more drastic about the cuts you know it went from 25 to 15 the very first night damn that's wild a lot of pressure that is a lot of pressure okay so you made the top six which which is um especially these days you make top six you're pretty memorable but i guess before the social media era you made top six you made top six and then you were kind of you truly had your 15 minutes of fame right yeah it's funny i think that was the last season, really, A, where we didn't get to travel around the world and do all

these really cool destination dates. But it was like the last season before social media really hit. So I really feel like I was kind of part of old school bachelor nation. So you went from Bachelor Nation to getting married briefly in 2015, not having any kids, but having an amazing successful career and then you've decided to go back to reality TV to find is it love or is it sperm because I'm trying to fit I watched the first episode and I still couldn't quite figure out what is the primary goal here is it to find a husband or is to find somebody that you like enough to be the father of your children and to keep in your life forever yeah I mean that's a great question. It's funny because that has come up a lot with people. And at first, it surprised me because I

felt so clear about what it was doing. But, you know, it's a little unconventional. So I understand the confusion. I will say I never went on the show to find a sperm donor, like way easier ways to do that than go on a reality television show, right? I think for me, I did this because I really wanted it all. You know, for me, I was already on the path to pursuing motherhood on my own. And that was something that I had really started looking into seriously, you know, probably in the year prior to the show crossing my path. I mean, I had hesitated with that because if that's what I needed to do, I was willing to do it, but I really wanted to have that experience with a partner. So for me, the show kind of just fit my life perfectly, and it seemed like a great opportunity

to sort of give that one last push before I move forward with motherhood on my own. Because, you know, you have a group of men who are basically selected for me that are in the same place as me. So I would say, short answer, I wanted it all. Okay. So that was to fall in love and to fall in love with the man that I could also see starting a family with. So that was my dream goal in the situation. But that being said, I was really open to other outcomes. And that's where, especially in the season one, we kind of have to see how it all plays out because I was open to co-parenting and I was willing to move forward on my own if that's how things kind of played out. Okay. Very interesting.

so basically we'll have to watch the entire series and follow your life afterwards to see how this goes yeah okay how cool was it to have Kristen Davis be the co-host who I truly think is the perfect fit for this because in a way you're kind of Charlotte oriented if you guys don't know Charlotte from sex ethnicity was always the hopeless romantic who always wanted to be a wife and a mom and not only was that her M.O. on the show, but in real life, she actually, I don't know that she ever found, like, her soulmate, but she found her kids who she adopted. So she was able to figure it out in a way, but I just think that it's really cool that she was selected to be the host because I think like both her real life and her on-screen life kind of relate to what you're going through. yeah it's so true and it's funny i didn't know that christian was going to be the host so i opened the door the first day and it's charlotte from sex in the city standing at the door and i may have looked calm but i was definitely not calm inside i mean charlotte was my girl so i'm thinking you know

i was in my 20s when sex in the city you know aired the first time and i was a charlotte so i'm already kind of freaking out i think this is the reason my friends are most jealous of me is because I got to spend a couple months with Kristen and have Kristen as like a BFF, so I don't blame them. But you're so right. I mean, her character really had, you know, some of the same struggles. And I feel like Kristen's really relatable in just how her like it. She spent her 30s really pursuing acting, obviously having a hit show and being very engrossed in that. And I think this is true for a lot of women.

You know, me, myself, and I see this in a lot of women I know, assume that the family piece will just into place. Yeah. And so then it becomes when it doesn't and you are running out of time, what do you do? And that's where you have to start having more of an open mind and maybe pursuing things unconventionally. Yeah. And we even saw Charlotte's character. You know, she adopted on the show. She also then adopted in real life. And then she went through IVF on sex in the city with Harry because they're having a hard time conceiving. And you worked with Dr. Brian Kaplan at Ova Egg Freezing in Chicago, which is, ironically, where Whitney Bischoff, Angel, you know, the winner, quote, quote of Chris Solz's season works. And I've known about Ova and I did

a whole podcast on it a couple of years ago. So why did you go with Ova? Is they, are they really like the creme de la creme of egg freezing? Yes. I mean, so Ova itself, I think, is kind of a special thing. And I had already started to work with them before the show kind of came about. in my life. And I think what they've done really is they've tried to cater to women, you know, and quote unquote single women. So you go in there and it really is about egg freezing. So you're maybe not inundated with all of the other things if you went into a regular fertility clinic, right? And they've also done something really special. I think they really do kind of give you this VIP treatment, which I know personally I've experienced the opposite of that, you know,

when you kind of go and being single. In this situation, you know, it can, be a little harsh sometimes. So I feel like OVA's tried to create something that is just about egg freezing and, you know, made that an exciting, luxurious experience versus something that maybe you feel self-conscious about. And then, of course, Dr. Kaplan, you know, works with that team as well. And of course, you know, the IVF would happen with Dr. Kaplan. But Dr. Kaplan is amazing. you know, I actually know so many women that have babies now because of Dr. Kaplan. So I had already done my research and I feel like, oh, but with something special that's relatively new and then, you know, having the opportunity to work with Dr. Kaplan, I already knew

I wanted to work with him. So this was like a dream combination happening here. That's so cool. In the first episode, the guys are like they meet you and then they're ushered off to go get samples of their sperm. They are, you. given some materials and there's like a vehicle sort of like it kind of looks like a big port-a-potty thing but the guys go in there to get their samples and like how awkward did you feel during that moment it being like one of the opening scenes of the show and like the guy's first activity were you like poor guys or were you at the same time being like yeah we are getting down to business i mean both but first of all can we just say that no one else is allowed

to claim most awkward date in the world because this is it. Most awkward first date. I think I win the word. Yes, most awkward group date. Most awkward group date. I mean, so it was both really, and I think people don't realize this, but I actually didn't know that was going to happen. So, and I don't think Kristen did either. So we're standing there and kind of realizing what's going to happen. And I was definitely panicking inside because of exactly what you said. I had literally just met these guys, maybe 20 minutes before. we had a really big weather delay that morning with filming. So I really did only have about 15, 20 minutes to actually socialize with them before we went out to do the whole like fertility test. Right. So I thought for sure half the guys would run away. And I was really pleasantly surprised when they didn't. I knew that I had to look calm and stay strong or they probably would start freaking out. But once I got over the initial shock, honestly, I thought, well, Why shouldn't they have to go through this?

And I think a big fear that I had going into this was could they find men who truly wanted this too? Because obviously a woman's timeline is a little bit different, right? So I feel like this was a really good way to really see who was there for the right reasons. Because if you weren't, why would you do it? Our parents are going to watch this. So you let me into the perfect direction to ask this. A lot of people are talking a lot about age when it comes to Claire's season. She's going to be 39 and a half when it starts filming.

A lot of the guys' ages that were announced prior in March, they were young. A lot of people worried that they wouldn't be ready for the type of lifestyle that Claire was ready for. What advice would you give to her, uh, weeding out the men when she was. she does finally meet them. Yeah, well, she's not allowed to do the fertility testing. I already claimed that one. So I mean, I think you see this as the show goes on, you know, the episodes kind of roll out with labor of love. But, you know, I feel like I'm really direct in this show. And a lot of people have commented on that. And the truth is it's because that's where I'm at in life. This is already the way that I've been having to date the last couple of years. And at this point in

I literally don't have time to waste, but I've also just gotten to the point in life where I have no interest in wasting anyone's time. And I don't want anyone to waste my time. So I think you just learn to be more direct. So I'm sure Claire is already on this, but that would be my advice to her. Be very clear about what you're looking for. And don't be afraid to ask the hard questions sooner rather than later. Knowing Claire, I don't think she's going to have a problem with any of that. I don't think she'll have a problem. Do you, have you ever met her or do you watch the show? hardcore. Yeah, I've watched the show, yeah. So I do remember her from her season. And then I saw, I saw, you know, when they did the big announcement. And, you know, I of course had already filmed this show. So I knew that it was, um, coming out sometime. I just didn't know when then. And I remember thinking, this is a big moment, you know, to have a bachelorette who is maybe a little older than the typical bachelorette. And then, you know, knowing that my show is coming out, that really speaks to me what is happening in modern society right now there are so many women and honestly i think what you'll learn on labor of love there's actually quite a few men in this position too so i think

it's really refreshing to actually see this talk about uh-huh but they spent so long of their 20s and 30s developing a career right and then yeah yeah all right well christie um we're wishing you all the luck in the world we know that you've already taped the show but whatever you're going through in your romantic and or fertility life right now. We hope it's going very well. And you guys, if you are fans of The Bachelor franchise, you're going to love labor of love, pun intended. It's Fox 9 o'clock on Thursdays. It's going to hold you over till Claire's season, I promise you. Bye, Christy. Bye-bye. The Almost Famous podcast is one that Ashley and I do care a lot about. And I know that this is a time where both of us, all of us are a little confused. We're

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