The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Speeding to the Finale

Episode Date: August 27, 2024

We’re down to the final few weeks of Jenn Tran’s season of The Bachelorette and Ben and Ashley are trying to figure out who is *actually* into Jenn! Jonathon seems like a good choice, but we can��t trust his lack of a sweet tooth! A cheat day for a one on one?? Come on! And we try to figure out how this season will end… it might be unlike any other Bachelorette season! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ashley is back here talking with us today about the latest episode of Gen Season of The Bachelor. It was a great episode. A lot's happening. It was a great episode. It was the fastest episode ever. it was. It was. Did it not? It's because like it was so substantial because all the conversations, it was there's no fluff. There's no fluff. It might have flown too because there's a lot of freaking commercials. There's always there's always 40 minutes of commercials for a two hour episode. Yeah, there's a lot of commercials. Okay. It is the fantasy sweet week for Jen season of The Bachelor. Obviously last week I was in San Francisco with a lot of. of Bachelor Nation alum, Ashley, you were here breaking down the latest episode of Jen season with

Rachel. I think, you know, after listening to that episode, a lot of the takes, a lot of the assumptions, a lot of the things you were feeling became accurate during this episode, or at least were proven true. But let's start with Devon's date. Devon's date is the first date of this episode. Devin has been a, what do you want to say? I mean, I think we're we use the word polarizing a lot during this podcast. I don't know if anybody has represented polarizing as well as Devin, mostly because it felt like so much of the season was somebody having an issue with Devin. But we never really figured out if the issue was actually with Devin or the issue was with the person having an issue with Devin. With Aaron, it was definitely Aaron's

issue. Well, Sam M. Definitely Sam M's issue. It was definitely Sam's issue. So can we say that Devin actually, like, is a decent dude? Like, he's trying his best here? Yeah, except for, don't forget, he does like to eat things that he's allergic to. We still never address that, you know?

But we were very weirded it out by his bio. However, I really like him. I don't judge a man on weirdness. I judge a man on character. I do think after this episode Devin has proven to be there for Jen because he really cares about Jen. Now, that's my thought

but Ashley, walk us through this date. My biggest, well, the date was, I don't even remember, what did they do during the date? Because all I'm thinking of is that he was concerned the whole time about their relationship being one-sided and him being so all in, so in love, and then him being afraid

that she's not feeling the same way. I think that's a fair like breakdown of the date. But the date itself was a helicopter. It was a helicopter. It was a helicopter. Yeah. Yeah.

There was two waterfall dates. Very bachelor, bachelor-esque date. Now they did go to a waterfall. Beautiful views. Hawaii looks gorgeous, which none of us are shocked by. It's a very beautiful place.

They have a really great, evening or a day together and then a really great evening up until the fact that I think he is asking her pretty much, do you care about me as much as I care about you? Because I care about you a lot, Jen. And I want you to know that. I want you to be like very clear that I care about you. I love you. Can you reciprocate that at all? And her response, Ashley, is? Her response is I want to get there with Devin, but I'm not there yet, which sounds a lot like the way that Marcus feels towards gem. So kind of have like a love triangle going on. And then she's also like, Devin's giving me like all the love. He's all in. He's everything I've ever wanted. And I've never been in the situation

before. It's like, is it too good to be true? Am I freaking myself out? My take on this is that she likes seven she's if she's not there yet she's not going to be there with him and she's just it's just sad it's a sad reality that the two will never be on the same page and i think he is the one to go home this week even if he weren't to seemingly based on the last scene of this episode probably send himself home first or at least he's the one that's bringing up the conversation about, you know, the lack of them being on the same page. Is it interesting to you at all? Because it was to me that, yes, I think it's very clear where her feelings lie.

Which is with Marcus? I'd say both, Jonathan and Marcus. But it's very clear that she's not there with Devin. She wants to be there with Devin because she does think that Devin is in it the most for her. She goes to the fantasy suite. and it does feel like the reaction the next morning from the fantasy suite is very positive

and I think and I could be reading into this too much but based on experience if she's conflicted which it feels like she is she knows where Devin lies she's not there herself that next morning after

who knows what they did in the fantasy suite that's up to the two of them she said that weird thing about Pete Davidson he's better than Pete Davidson I was like Jen, are you not telling us

something? Like, have you been with Pete Davidson? Or are you just referring to the fact that Pete Davidson gets a lot of hot women? It's just weird. That was weird. But outside of that, I would think that she would be a lot more conflicted in her emotions the next morning, being like,

wait, that was awesome. That was great. Like, we connected. We had a really great evening. And I'm still not there. Like, that would be my thought would be how that would transpire. Because she would be be up in her own head. But instead, it feels like she's very free in thought being like, no, that was great.

We're still good. Like, I still, like, can't tell him I love him. You know what, Ben, you're watching it like a viewer. And I watched it like being on the show because, okay, not to like put you down or anything. No, you should. Put me down. Tell me I'm wrong. So I was thinking about being in an interview after a moment like that.

and you and I both have been and sometimes you're just like I know I should feel this way and they're asking me these questions and I feel like I just I'm just gonna like say it the way that they want me to say it and I'm gonna be really excited and really positive about what went just down what went down but in my gut I just feel like there's something a little bit off even though the producer behind the camera is like oh my god Ashley can you believe this is happening wasn't that so good and I'm like yeah it was amazing it was so good and in the back of my head I'm like

but there's something off and I felt like that's what she was doing so you think she was communicating there's something off no I don't think she was communicating it I think she was feeling it and not communicating yeah okay

I just felt like it was one of those interviews, which is like, you know, I don't know. I'm supposed to really feel it, feel it right now. I'm not 100% feeling it, but I'm like 90% feeling, I think. So I'm just going to like go with it. Well, Devin's the big storyline this episode. I think, as you mentioned, there is a scene of him probably self-elimiting himself at the start of next episode. I think Devin is absolutely, let's just stick on Devin. for this conversation.

Obviously, the interview with Jesse at the bar was brutal. Jess, my wife, who doesn't watch the show, was standing, getting ready for, uh,

like bedtime. And she was screaming out from the bathroom, not watching it even, just hearing him going, send this poor kid home. Like, what are we doing? Like,

let him go. Like, he doesn't want to be there. And I'm like, I actually agree with you, hon. Like, he,

he needs to go home. this isn't for him she's gonna she'll send him home will she though ash because my my thought here is is he the only one actually in her I mean Jonathan is I think I know yeah Jonathan is but I don't know

that he's like there like propose yet what was so crazy and I know we'll get to Marcus but just while I'm thinking about it she was like hopefully Marcus gets there and like falls in love with me like in the next day so that he feels comfortable proposing in two days it's weird

it's like not, it's not how we expect. I mean, that's why I think our theory of this ends not how any seasons ever ended. Nobody proposes anybody and like nobody ends up together is probably still the path I'd fall in. But it does feel like Devin is the one dude here who's like, no, I would propose tomorrow to you. He would propose tomorrow. Like, I am so into this. And it does feel like with what I was saying with Jess is this guy is so into it. He cares about Jen so much.

Yeah. that he needs to go home because he's not the guy for her. Like he's not, he is definitely third in this race and he's going to stay third no matter how much he cares about her. I think she does see it as,

and you make sense of it when she's talking about the interview, she sees it as this guy is awesome and I'm into him enough to have him here now. But it's similar to Caitlin and me where she's like, but you aren't the guy.

And she told me that. And I was like, I'm not the guy. I'm going home. And she's like, that makes sense. I'm like, I'm out of here. See you later. That's kind of the Devin's stance,

except I think Devin's feelings are a thousand times more than mine were. So much more. Yeah. And would you make it hard. It would make it hard. What do you think about the fact that they didn't use him as Bachelor?

No. I think Grant was just like a very clear choice. I think if Grant doesn't exist on this show at this time, I think Devin would be an interesting choice. I still don't think you'd be it. Devin, it was the actual, like besides Jeff. who they did a great job, you know, making sure that Jen was the main character of the season. But, like, Devin was the other main character, I feel like.

Definitely. I mean, at least the most consistent main character. I think Sam M. Well, you know, carried that weight for a long time. But I think Devin outlasted him and has definitely been the most recognizable face from the season. Yeah. I think he would have a chance. I don't know.

I don't know Devin well. I think he's changed his personality a lot from, like, night. one to now. That's what made him so interesting. I was telling Rachel last week is that like he had almost a different, not personality, but like they showed different facets of his personality every episode. Sure. We liked him progressing progressively more. Yeah. I don't know if I could say on week one I was like, oh, I'm like Devon's, I'm a fan of Devon. Yeah. But we ended up liking him, right? I do you think the thing that has made him the most likable. Um, is the fact that he's in the gen, and he's proven that.

Not that he needed to prove it, but I just think he's proven it. He's very into this girl. And he really loves her, which in my opinion, actually makes his actions on night one to now make a lot more sense. If we put it through the lens of, no, he was just really into her the whole time, then it's like, no, that all stuff is fair. It's all fair. It's all good.

He never was wrong. He wasn't trying to get more camera time. What he was trying to do is just get more time. time with this girl that he's so infatuated with. Yeah. It cares about maybe it was a better word to say. But he's going home. I do think that. And so it moves us on to

Jonathan. Hopefully he's going to be a big character in paradise. Yeah, when it comes back. Jonathan is coming back. Remember, Ben? Nah, we'll see. What do you mean? They announced it. They're not going to go back on it. Rumors upon, rumors upon rumors

say it might never come back. Wait, what? Ben's just making up a rumor now. Okay, Jonathan, Jonathan, it is funny. Remember you said that about when I said it was going to get canceled? You're like, he's making this up. And I'm like, no, it's going to get canceled. And they got canceled.

For one summer, they took a break, okay? They were on a break. They were on a break. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly. And now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for. extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK story time podcast, so we'll find out

soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find

out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this. Attention passengers, the pilot

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and she makes a joke about how like the guy that was wrapped up night one is here and we're just going to call it is in like second place and that is pretty shocking for the guy that wore the most cloth on night one that dude wears the shortest shorts

on the rest of the time shows the most skin yeah his dingle's going to hang out at some point it has to. I didn't even notice this why are you the guy noticing this because he's standing there waiting for her when this date starts. And I'm like, that dude, like, he's got to be careful.

I got to watch. That's because Ben's watching out because he knows what happened to him at a waterfall once. Yeah, you just got to be careful. Like, all of a sudden, you're peekaboo, you know, and you got to be careful. So Jonathan wears short shorts and tight t-shirts. And he looks good. He's a stud. And he...

Yeah, he's so cute. Me and Rachel swooned over him a bit last week. There's nothing about Jonathan that is not likable. except for one thing he doesn't like the sweets or that he's he'll take a cheat day when he's on his one-on-one

Jonathan you just went down so many notches in my book to be like oh no you're going to make me eat donuts yeah yeah I mean that's one of the benefit you know when you get married you're like let's just have some

the Jess calls it like ice cream for dinner nights she loves it like you're an adult now you can have ice cream for dinner nobody's going to tell you not to it's great and so he needs to get to that point in life because nobody wants to be married to somebody that's like oh i can have my cheat day on sunday it's like no let's just like we're married now like let's just have what we want when we want and like let this thing work that's such a depressing life to like not let yourself have dessert every night yeah ice cream you know ice cream for dinner and still have dessert every night okay you're fine

don't worry about so but jonathan is a stud he is a nice guy. He is very likable outside of his weird, sweet, you know, behavior. I personally think that Jonathan would have probably been the second choice for The Bachelor if Grant wasn't around, if they didn't choose Grant. I still would have preferred Jonathan just because I know him better. I also think that Jonathan's getting the edit to be the one at the end with gin if we didn't both think that gin ends up with nobody he feels like that kind of mysterious character still like marcus and devon definitely have the bigger storylines in my opinion yeah it feels like jonathan's kind of like sneaking up through and making it to this point

like ben as somebody who thinks that jonathan would be like of i i know i do this all the time and it's weird but i'm just going to do it of the three of them jonathan is the one that I would be most personally interested in. However, you know, if I wasn't married and all that, but when I watch the show, he's the date that I'm least interested in seeing. Why is that? Tell me more. Because Devin is obviously such a character and is so invested in her.

And then Marcus, she's so invested in. And it seems like both of those situations has so much tension that as a teller, television viewer, they're more interesting to watch than Jonathan, who they both like each other, but it's just not as much of an extreme passion as the other two situations. But wouldn't you say that matches what I was saying, which is that he is sitting in a position right now at the fantasy suites where you'd be like, no, he's definitely one getting chosen. He's definitely the one getting chosen to be hers. Yeah.

because there's more mutual because it's more of a mutual thing even though perhaps no just because he's passion on the other days kind of flying into the radar the show loves you know an underdog

loves the guy that's not the main character to kind of come up through the you know rise like the Phoenix and come up through and get the proposal at the end I think Jonathan seems like that guy

you know what's making me feel this way is that like, okay, so like, you know how we've always said the entire season. You're not going to end up with anybody. But now that picture is clarifying to me. What's going to happen in my head is that the beginning of the next episode, Devin will be sent home during their conversation.

She'll be left with Jonathan and Marcus, but at some point, and I don't know whether, I don't know how early it'll be. Marcus is going to be like, I can't get there. I don't actually, I don't love her. and I need to love her by now. Well, actually, okay, there's two theories. So I'll continue with this theory. So all the theories that are possible are going to work.

So then Jonathan will remain. And she'll know that, like, she's not ready for a proposal with Jonathan. And then she stops him because we do see her stop whoever gets to the altar. And she'll say, I don't want you to propose. or that's probably the least that's probably the most likely scenario okay it's not it's not at all no okay so well well then my other theory let me the other theory is that marcus actually sticks around he may get there and then he gets down on one knee and she says no i know you're not ready for this let's just date devon is the only person who's tall enough to fit that shot

that they show us. Oh my God. Ben, what? You are doing some great detective work. It's the only person, right? The only person... Devin? If you watch the show,

the only person whose shoulder she comes up to is Devin's. And that scene, she's standing at the shoulder height of whoever's standing in front of her. You don't think she sends him home this week? You just said that... See, I don't know what happens with him.

He has to go home. He has to self-aliminate. I don't know if he comes back. I don't know if, like, Jonathan and Marcus in the finale both say, hey, we're done. And Devin comes back and she's like, no, but you two are done still. But that's, it has to be Devin standing there. It has to be to me. I know we're jumping ahead to the scenes to the next episode or the scenes from the

season. That's fine because we've covered Marcus. We're kind of there. Okay. So it does say that no Bachelorette has done this ending. Which I wonder if it's not a franchise thing. It's not never before a Bachelor history. Maybe it's because she's basically pulling the Bradwell-Mack and saying,

like, no, we just all shouldn't be together. I think she's saying it to all three. I think I do think Marcus eliminates for a period of time. I don't think it's forever. I do think he comes back. I mean, I don't know who else that is unless it's just great camera work, which could be the case, too. the show has great camera people.

Yeah, and they're not beneath or above. They're not above shooting stuff just for promo teasers. Not at all. They've done that before. Not all. But that would be my theory is that Devin still somehow comes back to stand on that altar with her. I don't know how.

I don't think he stays around for the next week, but I do think he comes back because he is in love with her. And the show loves a good storyline where the person is so, in love with the lead that they have to come back for one more chance, right? Seen how many times? Why not now? Why not in this situation? My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious.

Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate.

Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK. Storytime Podcasts on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Ben, do you think that Jonathan will get to the point of being capable of a true proposal? No, for whatever reason, they're not connecting with Jen. I don't know why. She seems awesome. I don't know why it feels like her final three and maybe even her final four,

definitely her final four, I would say. at this point are so far off connecting with her to a level being like, no, I could see this

at least existing outside of it. Besides Devin. Besides Devin. I don't know why. Well, let's just get a little bit deeper into the Marcus thing.

So they do this whole tease and do you think that they kind of prepped him at his date to go into that dinner and you think the producer has made kind of told him you should act as if you're about to leave

but then you're going to twist it and then be like, no, you think that he actually was that intimidating like he was that scary to her to sound like he was legitimately calling it and then he twisted at the end and is like, but I want to get there. So let me just, for anybody

who didn't watch the episode. First off, let me answer the question that you asked. I don't think the producers would ever say that in that way. because it would be too much of a tell on what their interest is. I think what they probably told Marcus was, you have to be honest with her about where you're at. And he said, okay, that makes sense, being honest.

No, and I think the producers knew that he was going to be honest to the point where it almost hurt her. And then he'd be like, but I'm not ready to go home yet. And because I do think I can get there. I don't think they would say, like, figure out a way to make this story so good that really wraps her heart up and then she's fine. No, I just said, hey, Marcus, be yourself.

And he was. And I think he did it for, I think he did it well, not meaning to be enjoyable for television, but he was. Because he went on and on and on and it didn't sound good. And then all of a sudden, to those of you who didn't watch the episode,

what I'm referring to is this, all he's like is like, you know what, Jen? Like, I'm just not there. I'm not in love yet. I'm not in love yet. I really want to be in love, but I'm not there. Maybe I can get there by the end of the end of the week. I want to keep trying. And the fact that Jen, in reference to her feelings towards Devin and Marcus in reference to his feelings towards Jen, keep saying that they're trying to fall in love, just makes me feel weird. There should be no trying and falling in love. except for I'm also totally stupid for saying that because Jared had said the same sort of things. So Jess and I had this stuff. Well, sure, until you guys really took it serious. But Jess and I talked about it last night.

I was like, when did you know you're in love with me? She's like probably from our like first conversation. And I was like, no, that's stupid, right? Like she's like, no, I knew from our first conversation that I didn't want to stop talking to you. and then over time I realized that was love. But there was never this moment of like trying to fall in love with you. And I was like, that makes sense because with hers not this different or the same.

It was my first date with her that we had in person. I was like, this girl, I don't ever want to not see this person in my life. Now, I didn't know that was love necessarily, but I was like, I want to talk to her tomorrow. I want to talk to her in the next hour. want to see her again i want to hold her all these things right and i think the idea i think i'm cool with all this like i'm falling in love or i'm almost in love and all those i'm fine with all that language what i'm not okay with is the i'm going to try to fall in love that feels weird to me that's what feels weird because jared and i's very similar for me i think i may have been like

give me more like i wanted more chances but it wasn't a chance but it wasn't a chance try thing because the chance is I needed more time but it wasn't time it wasn't like with the effort of trying I don't know that it is there's something about that word try because I wanted more time to show him all the sides of me because I knew at a point that I just wasn't comfortable I was so nervous around him that I needed more time to show myself because you're just showing your crazy side yeah exactly so I just there is a difference here and it just feels weird that everybody's trying to fall it does it feels forced which i don't think in all the non-education i have on love

love has never been something to be forced yeah it's never been something to be manipulated it's never been an attempt it in a sense it's like one of the magical like sacred spiritual moments of life where like it kind of happens in moments where you least expect it and you least maybe even desire it but the idea that you've known this girl for this long that you've had the experiences you've had with this girl and now you're sitting at a place being like yeah but we're coming to the end i know what the end means the end means i need to be in love to make this thing happen and so now I need to try to get there is wild to me you should just be eliminating yours it's why I've always said with this show Ashley I'm okay with a season that ends with

no proposal do I want it no I want to see a happy ending but I'm okay with it because I know it's authentic and true yeah and are you referring to them just ending up alone yes or them ending up like saying let's just date yeah both either way yeah either way like let's just go, let's move forward in the best way possible for everybody. If it means we end up alone, great. This isn't at work. That's sad for all the viewership. Like, it's sad for the lead.

It just didn't work. Yeah. Like, that's okay. It doesn't mean anything's wrong with Jen. It just means that her guy wasn't there. It doesn't mean anything's wrong with the guys. It just means that they weren't into Jen. What I want to see in this show is authenticity.

I want to cheer for the story, not the outcome, the story. wherever it leads us if I would if at the end I'm saggs I'm like gosh Jen's gonna be leaving this thing being like yeah like I mean I as the lead I know if I would have left this

the show without any connections I'd be like yeah something's definitely wrong with me like this proves it right everybody like something's wrong with me and I don't know what that is necessarily but something's wrong with me no no what I would think is yeah I was given 30 random people

of course my person wasn't in that statistically speaking that person wasn't there and that makes sense authentic like if I was authentic with my season and I would have had foresight right the authentic outcome for the season I was on would have been nobody like I would have walked away from that thing

and been like it didn't work because my wife was not there the love of my life was not in that mansion on night one and that's okay right like that works out that's fine like that would have been okay it didn't play out that way because of other factors and just the fact that like maybe you don't have foresight and you think you know what you're doing and you don't all those things

I play into it but what I want to see is authenticity and I think this season is going to show us that and I think we have to be supportive of that oh totally it's almost almost refreshing because like you said it's authentic it's authentic because these guys are saying Hey, Jen, no matter how much the producers try to get me there, I'm not there. Yeah. And Devin's going, hey, no matter how much the producer are telling me to not talk about this,

I love you so much. And she's going to have to go, yeah, but I don't. And that's going to be hard for her, but she's going to do it. Why? Because they're authentic to where they're at right now. Yeah. It's almost like we're due for a season like this. Yes, I think so.

And if it didn't happen like that and she, and if it doesn't happen like that, because again, Ben and I aren't spoiled. We actually don't know what's happening, even though we do speak on the podcast as if we know for a fact that she ends up with no one. If she were to end up with somebody, it would be so forced that they would obviously end up breaking up. They would have probably ended up broken up by the time the, you know, after the final rose airs.

And that would be way more disappointing than the authenticity of her leaving with no one at this point. I have it to compare to a couple, Charity and Dodden, right? Yeah, you spent time with them this week. I was just with them. That couple loves each other, and they've been through some stuff. Like, you can listen to our show that we're going to come out with, with two of them. It sounds like minor things, like Dance with the Stars and being in LA and all that stuff. Those are big deals to them as a couple, right?

It meant moving. It meant change of jobs. It meant lack of stability. It meant, you know, one person being gone. all the time. And you know what they did? At the end of it, they went to couples counseling. They talk about it. This isn't me sharing something that they don't talk about. And at the end of as they go through that, they're like, I love you so much. Like nothing's going to come in the way of us as a couple. That is something we should celebrate. That is a moment from the show

that we're like, it worked. However, we should also celebrate the moments of the show where it's like, hey it didn't work that's okay totally all right well guys we have men tell all which you know Ben and I love not really it's just gonna be a Sam M bash he's gonna look terrible

I already know it everybody's gonna be like dude you're crazy it's actually gonna be the Sam bash Sam N and Sam M are gonna walk out of the thing being like yeah nobody like me okay but also Ben do this

right now, because I want to watch a reaction. Go to Sam N's Instagram. He has the funniest real about his dad. Okay, hold on. Okay, right here. It has 61 million views, more views by tens of millions than my highest viewed reel of all time. It looks like this. Go to his reals and it's his point of view using the bathroom right after your dad his poor dad it's so funny his dad was in on it come on

look at this man's face no it's great all right guys um go to sam and you out there now go to sam on his Instagram and click this reel of it's point of view using the bathroom right after your dad it's so funny

and he has a lot of real that are funny and they're very self-aware and self-deprecating and it makes me like yeah because I just see him saying star boy and blessed and I see one that says like for me I think this dude's trying really hard he might be trying really hard because he's like you know a bachelor guy on Instagram but there was some that was like the Persian kid who gets like a glow up and like they show he shows old photos of himself yeah because he wants at the end for everybody comment about how good looking he is now that's not him being self deprecating that's him trying to build himself up which is cool too go do it buddy if you need it but like let's not call it

self deprecating yeah i mean maybe you're right ben but in his instagram maybe like him a little bit more that's all i gotta say that's all i'm saying it certainly didn't win ben over we'll see how he is on men tell all all right so we um yeah we'll recap men tell all even though it's our least favorite to recap and that is when we'll see you next yeah we'll see you then until then uh hey by the way we have some great content coming from san francisco be airing all week um some really incredible interviews so make sure you tune in and listen we'll be here from intel all we'll break it down we'll watch it. We'll make sure it's all, you know, tight and kept up for all the listeners. It's not our favorite episode because I do think it's just a bash and I don't think that's

great. I don't think it's fun. It's not fun to watch. It's not fun to be a part of. But it's going to happen because the show's going to do it. Nothing ever comes of it. It's just a rehash of what we already saw. It's the rehash. It's the moment to make a statement for Paradise, which Ashley thinks is coming back. So until next time, I've been Ben. All right. Well, when we turn off this Mike, you're going to tell me why you're so convinced that it's not. Also, really glad that with mental all, we have a little part of Devin attached to it. So that'll make the episode worth it. Bye, guys.

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