The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Staying in Our Lane with Carly & Evan

Episode Date: June 25, 2019

We get caught up with one of our favorite Bachelor couples, Carly Waddell and Evan Bass! They tell Ben and Ashley how life is changing as they prepare for baby #2 and Carly opens up about the time she almost stripped down on The Bachelor. And as we recap this week’s episode of The Bachelorette, all eyes are on the naked bungee jumping and what it revealed about Luke. Plus, Ben tells us why Luke and Hannah remind him of his relationship with Lauren Bushnell. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I enjoy that of us. Thank you. What you guys are up to before we jump in to recapping The Bachelorette. You guys do a great job live tweeting it every week. I know that's like one of Evan's passions and, life. So I'm happy to have you break down the episode with us. So before we got on air, I was talking to them about wedding planning and how hectic it's been the past couple weeks because it's just the small little details and it's like, oh, you forgot that. Oh, you forgot that. And then Evan said it was like, that's like having a kid. And how is that, how is that so? The money, it's just like your wallet has got a hole in it and it just doesn't come back. It's like, dad can, I have money for this. And this and this and this and this and this and then it just keeps going. And then I just buy all the things for Bella, so.

Yeah. And especially in their like extracurricular activities, it's like, you know, soccer. And then you're like, oh, it's like, you know, $150 for the soccer fee. That's fine. And then all of a sudden it's like, oh, but I need new cleats every single season. And then you're like, oh, this Disney princess doll is cute. I have to get this one too. She doesn't have a snow white, but she does have a Cinderella.

But what's another Cinderella? Everybody needs two Cinderella. And how many times is too many times to go to Disneyland? There's the limit does not exist. Oh, see, I think the limit on Disneyland absolutely exists. What? It's like once a year. No.

And I don't know. Maybe I'm an adult, but every time you go with a kid, they don't appreciate it. They just whine and cry the entire time and complain and there's the lines and the food is astronomically expensive. And you only get to ride two or three rides the entire day because of the lines. Irrelevant. Irrelevant? So you just enjoy it fully? Well, I mean

Yes. Yeah. 100%. I mean, no, you're right about the rides. You end up doing two. You're actually right about everything you said. We just kind of overlook it because we're walking around with huge mouths in our faces, even if our kids are squirmy and mad and need a nap.

Yeah. But you don't do it for Bella at this age. I can see you guys doing it for the boys. The boys that are at a great age. No. We will show her these pictures until the end of time. Look, remember this time we went to Disneyland? Good parents.

Yeah. That's true, though. I have pictures from when our first trip to Disney World. I must have been five in Larmes, maybe two, and the pictures are adorable, and they stay with me forever. Like, I feel like I remember the trip because of the pictures. Exactly. Yeah.

Well, does Bella, like, can you see a reaction from her at this point? Like, what she does get, like, mesmerized by and what she doesn't? Well, it's mostly fear of the people that are dressed up in costumes. yeah we haven't done like the the big like expensive things at disney which are like the lunches with all the princesses and things like that because that's just she'll we want to do that when she like will remember it but right she likes it's a small world and one day i made the mistake of saying Bella go and choose a princess plush doll off of this track and then she chose like four and i couldn't say no yeah so wait with a kid don't say just choose have

your way because they will get them all. She totally understands that statement, go choose what you want. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. It's only a year and a half, you guys. Bella gets whatever she wants until she doesn't. Verano, she gets whatever she wants. That's adorable. She get preferential treatment because she's

the girl of the bunch of, you have three sons, Liam, Enzley, and Nathan, and then there's Bella. She get like all the special girlia treatment? Everything. Yeah. Literally. everything those boys will do anything for her mostly because whenever they walk into a room she like lights up and freaks out and like just is just so happy to see them she like squeals

and it's like the cutest thing you've ever seen i we really need to get that on video somehow that's like her like high pitch squeal when she sees those boys walk in the room it's so that is so cute i know i love it so cute um you guys you have a couple things going on one being there's a new baby in curly's belly. Oh yeah. It's moving around. You know the sex of that baby, right? Yes, but Evan's keeping it hostage, the secret hostage. I know. So you guys were telling me at our crate and barrel bridal shower a couple weeks ago

that Evan insists on having a gender reveal party just for the boys. Have the boys witnessed had this gender reveal party yet? No. Look. Is it ever going to happen? I don't know. Is that two weeks ago, really? No, it wasn't two weeks ago.

I said a few weeks ago. It was probably like a month. Maybe, yeah, maybe a month. Wow, that long. I don't know that this is ever going to happen, but until then I'm swarmed to secrecy. It's going to happen. Maybe. Why have you not made plans for you?

Oh, we have the plans. I'm just waiting on permits and certain approval. Permits? This guy. I'm not even filming this thing that's going to take freaking three different things, people, groups of people to approve. And it's just the government. He can't do anything small or boring as you know. Well, that being said, you guys did witness maybe the most epic gender reveal what Jared

and I did for Jade and Tanner on our reality, our YouTube reality show, What Now? You guys can, you guys all listen in can go and watch how Jade and Tanner found out that they were having a boy this time around on the show, What Now? And Carly and Evan were there and Evan must have seen that and been like, right well I have to be this plain thing and yeah you're right we had to sign a lot of papers for that yeah yeah you challenged him and he's taken the challenge on himself 100% 100% yeah I can't say no to actually what do you think we're having obviously I'm not going to tell you yes or no but what is your my gut says you're having a boy oh man that's what you felt about jade too yeah I know man I don't

know yeah it's like a strong feeling I don't know okay well find out soon enough I hope maybe Gosh, unless it comes out before we ever actually do this thing. Why not November? November is the due date. Yeah. November 14th. How is it with the second kid together rather than, you know, the first? Because are you like just more stress?

You're less stressed. You're more relaxed. Do you do less planning? Is like the nursery not a thing? Oh, yeah. It's not. I mean, all of the, you know, you have all the stuff from the first. baby so at least that's in there but no I it just sits there I don't know when that

room will get done or if it ever will I don't know I mean really the baby is just like in the bassinet next to your bed for like a year anyway so right you don't use that room for anything till the baby's like one unless you move it over really is it like just Instagram fodder at this day like this day and age like people just do like the full-blown nursery 100% show like I care about my child. Yeah. I just care about myself more right now.

Like that stresses me out. I'm trying to de-stress this pregnancy. How has this pregnancy been? Yeah, I mean, it's started out the same way as Bella's like. Totally sick. So sick. But I'm feeling better now, which is really good. I'm 20 weeks this week, which is halfway.

I've made it to the halfway mark. So now I just got to. keep plugging along here you guys carly is like the opposite of every pregnant woman when she gets pregnant she gets like skinny and she's just well you're always beautiful but like you are like a bella Bella vampire when you are pregnant this is why because I don't drink like the only reason I ever gain weight is not from eating it's from drinking because I love wine so when I'm pregnant and don't drink there's no like and it's just been hard for me to eat

because I've been nauseous. But I mean, I did eat a whole pizza today. That is true. You like wine more than food? Yes. No. That's mind-boggling to me. I do not understand. Yes.

Oh, I almost wish that's how I was. Yeah, I really love wine. It's just like, it has my heart and my liver. Have you tried Caitlin Bristow's new wine yet? No, because I can't. You haven't. You haven't been able to. Sitting in front of me, I would take a sip.

I'm not that crazy. But I told her I'm very excited to try it. I hope that she came to the hospital last time when we had Bella. So I'm hoping she comes this time. And I'm hoping she brings some of that wine along. She came to the hospital? Isn't that so sweet? That is so cute.

I know. But she's like, you know, Caitlin and babies is just, she's going to be the best mom ever. I know. She has, like, this weird, like, baby sense that when you don't have a baby. I don't even know how you get that. I did not have that. She has this little squat thing that she does. Like instantly calms a baby down and just a little butt pat.

I didn't, I didn't have that. I still don't think I really have that. But Caitlin, she's got it, man. Well, when I was on your podcast, Mommy's Tell All, I was like super emotional because I was like, I don't know if I have the mom gene. Like, I'm just not like, I know.

I don't know because like when I, it's because when I see. Jared with kids. He's so natural with them. He has no worry or fear. I think that I'm going to break them. I don't want to make them cry. And Jade and Carly were so nice at reassuring me that this is something I have and

I'll really know it when I have the kid. It's so, it really is so true because I didn't even, like, I had really bad fear of holding other people's babies. And actually I kind of still have that fear. Okay, good, because that's my thing. I don't volunteer to hold other kids. And that's okay.

Like, what if you drop them? It's very scary. If you drop your own kid, it's not as scary. Not that I drop my kid. If they're going to cry, it's going to make me feel like they don't like me. And I don't want to feel unliked by a child. That's the ultimate determinant of like your character, right? Although babies cry all the time. Actually, babies don't cry when Evan's around, which is super annoying.

Babies cry when I'm around. See? That's Jared. I know. It's an man thing. Well, it's also because Evan has parental experience. That's true. He's comfortable.

He loves kids. and he's like really going to be like, I don't know, making the faces and a, I'm like, oh, wait, that's what Jared does. Yeah, I can't do that. I feel silly. You have to like make it happen.

You have to make them happy. You have to like will it into existence. If you don't have the dedication, you just be like, I'm going to make this baby like me. Then it's hard to do. Evan is the only one who could calm Bella down, like at the beginning.

Yeah. I just gave up. I was like, here, take my boob and that's all I got. You have one other thing. thing we got to talk about before we talk about the episode. You have a new jewelry line. Tell us what it's called and where people can get it. Reviver jewelry. It is with Jade. Jade and I started this and we have Ashley Amue who has her charity The Shine Project and she is our third partner. But it's really cool. It's a jewelry line.

It's five different words right now on a necklace and the front says I am and the back says five different words but it's an empowering woman empowerment daily reminder of that you can just you can do it you know like I feel like we tell ourselves all the time the negative things about ourselves and we should be really putting positivity towards ourselves and towards gosh everybody else so it's good for yourself it's good for a gift and you can find it on Reviver Jewry on Instagram and it's just really pretty and it's super pretty breach. Come on. That's right. That photo shoot was stunning. That was like the most I've ever

felt like. Evan and I were just talking about this the other day. I felt like moon goddess warrior woman. I don't know. That's what you looked like. You looked amazing. I felt it, man. I felt more myself than I ever had. Super dreamy. And speaking of dreams, wow, you were on the podcast a couple months ago promoting your album of lullabies, which is up on iTunes called DreamTream. Yes. Man, this has been quite the year. I know. You have so many things coming out. Yes. All right, we got to take a break now and then we're going to dive into the episode. Before we move on, we got a little gift from Chris Harrison this week. Chris Harrison got something for Jared and I off our crate and barrel registry. Isn't that sweet? It's like the nicest, coolest statement piece mirror. It's so awesome.

That reminds me I have to write him a little bit of a thank you. But it was really cool to get a gift from Chris Harrison from our crate and barrel registry. I think I'm going to put it in our in a hallway, but Jared and I have been focusing a lot lately on our bath products from our crate and barrel registry. See, it's been a really stressful time with wedding planning. It's been all the little details and all the invoices. So having me time is more important than ever. So having that nice time like while I take a bath or a shower, having nice fluffy Turkish towels. and this nice, expensive-feeling rug, and the softest bath mat

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My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the okay story time podcast. So we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy?

That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend, really cheated with his professor or not.

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Yes, because they continue with the drama. Yeah. I mean. No, they're just like in these one-on-one conversations. Like, she's like, hey, I want you to open up. And they're like, yes, I would love to open up. That would be a great idea to open up. But then they just don't.

And it's like, well. Except for Tyler. I think Tyler's doing it. But I was like, I've always, like, I've thought this has been the best group of guys since, like, Jared's season. and now this week I was a little bit disappointed in them. You said Jared's season. You didn't even include your own season. No, I'm absolutely true.

But you are absolutely correct. For all you out there listening, if you don't remember, Evan was from Jojo season. I do think that JoJo season may have been the most lacking in quality men in our recent times. I tend to agree with that. Yeah. We got you and Wells, that's pretty good. Yeah.

Whatever. Whatever. You guys are the most memorable people from that season and you were eliminated quite early on. I don't remember that. I mean, other than Jordan. I like Jordan very much. So we're not including Jordan in this.

He was the winner. He's the real NBC. Yeah. So you think that guys aren't opening up? Sometimes I do feel like that's like a very hard thing. I want you to open up. It's like, well, what about what? It's like ask specific questions and then people will give you genuine

in answers. I agree with that. No, I feel like they're more in, uh, right now they're in that. I just don't think anyone's like feeling it with Hannah. I just feel like they're, they're just sitting there and, you know, sort of parroting back what, what they want her to hear, but they're having, there's, I just, we're not getting a lot of dialogue, real good dialogue on the screen right now. Maybe it's

happening off camera, but I just don't, like, I just don't feel it. Like, don't you feel like every time, every season when we get like serious one on one time, it just feels like fluff and like open up and I feel like he opened up. And I'm like, what do you mean? I want like a direct question and a direct answer back. I feel like the word of somebody said, Ashley, I want you to open up to me. Actually, I've been I've been asked this by a non-romantic character in Bachelor history in regards to me. Like he one time said, like, I want you to know you. I want you to open up. And I'm like, I literally have no idea how

to respond. So what do you want to know about it? Yeah, like about what? Yeah. Yeah. There's so many things that we could talk about what do you want me specifically to talk about and then we can talk about that yeah like like i want to know about your dating history it's like okay well i'll start from here because yeah there's a million questions that could be asked but none of them are being asked like in the date with uh peter the pilot you know she was like talking about opening up and just like evan said he was like oh yeah i i would love to open up to you like Opening up is like the greatest thing to get to know someone. But like, honestly, there was until, I mean, the date at night where he talked about

how he had a relationship, he didn't even delve deep into that. So I don't know. I'm kind of like, what? You got a fair point though, Ashley. I mean, maybe that's just, we're just not seeing it. But I feel like the idea of love is the big, what everyone's in love with right now. Okay. That's what it seems like.

I just feel like opening up has become a bachelor cliche. and even if we get answered like even if we see them open up of course we only get to see 15 minutes of the date and we know how long the dates actually are and how you actually do connect on these dates but you barely get to see the best parts of them i just got word that we have been on the line yes what's up everybody yes guys i'm super pumped to be talked to you i'm Sorry, I'm a little late. I had to travel back to Indiana to my hometown to spend the 4th of July here. Oh, that's cute.

That's awesome. We're both in our hometowns for a 4th of July. That's so sweet. Anyway. Carly, you're taking over. Listen. Woo-hoo. Ben, we were just talking about the cliches of opening up on the show,

but we haven't really gotten into the details of this episode, like, the steamy sauna makeout between Hannah and Peter. We haven't gotten to the naked bungee jumping or, of course, the Luke P drama this week that was really brought upon by the Garrett Naked Date. So let's go a chronological order here and start with the Peter date. I think we all like Peter. We think he's a sweet Ben Higgins-like man. I feel like he continues to prove to be more and more Ben-like every week.

There's just that boyish charm about him. genuine sweetness. He's very wholesome in Americana. And I definitely see him being the next bachelor if he doesn't end this thing with Hannah. What did you guys think about that date? I want to start this real quick. How does a guy, now, I'm a huge Peter fan. I think we all are. But here is a unique dynamic that we see in this show or in life in general. Peter is a wholesome. We call him wholesome. We think he's sweet. But he gets down in the sauna. Yeah. We might even refer to him as like innocent, yet he gets the sauna scene and I still view him the same way, innocent, sweet and wholesome.

How does that look? What is that? I don't know idea. It's his face and the way he speaks. Yeah. Well, Andy doesn't, I mean, he's sweet, but he doesn't say much. He keeps it very like even keel. So there's nothing. I don't know. Like if he said a statement that was like, Like, he's careful with his word. Yeah. Yeah, he's good at choosing words. We just know that he likes flying planes.

Yeah, well, he does really like that. So let me be the devil's advocate for all of us on this because I think this is an interesting conversation and one that I wanted to bring up this week. I step into this podcast at a time where you all are talking about fluff and that you're not really finding out anything about these guys because I'm under the impression. and I believe that on this show, you could make it for most of the whole experience without ever saying anything of meaning to anybody. You can dance around issues, you can say the right thing,

you can have a bunch of hour-long conversations and act like you care. At some point, that catches up with you. Every season it does, and it will. But with Peter, you're saying things like, and again, I'm a Peter fan, but you're saying things like he says the right things. He chooses his words carefully.

he doesn't say a lot. Isn't that what you're just complaining about where we're not really finding out anything, but yet he is a fan favorite. You know what? I think I've expressed this frustration before. I have explained this frustration before and I'm falling for it, I suppose.

Carly and I totally weren't the people saying the right things. We said a lot of controversial things. People didn't always like us. At the end of the day, for the majority of Bachelor Nation, I feel like they came, they had a liking for us, but it wasn't like we got through easy.

And I think we are like people who, I have to say, are kind of fun and interesting to watch because we aren't always perfect, but we're never the most beloved, like the Ben Higgins, like the Peters, who do always say the right thing and never mess up. It's a different kind of like. Yeah.

That's true. And it might even open us up to, I would say that when you try to say the right thing for long enough you get boring when you finally well yes you get boring but you also when you do say one thing wrong then everybody reacts in an over dramatic way right so we kind of have this thing in politics right now right where if you say the wrong thing often enough

you stop caring and nobody really ever criticizes you because they just expect it out of you but I would say that for example I told two women I love them that's a big deal it is it should be a big deal people should react to that but it's not the biggest deal we see it almost every season now we know that most people are feeling it but i think because the line of the line was set so far on the other side of doing anything wrong that when you finally do anything controversial everybody erupts in a more dramatic way would you guys agree absolutely 100% yeah good job

well did you did you want us to go opposite you. No. We're good. We can agree. Hey, I want to walk us through a few things here and then I'm going to pass it off to you guys to kind of lead us to the rest. I have a few things that I'm really passionate about. And because I'm late, I'm just going to take this over because that's what I do, I guess. I walk into a conversation once again, you guys talk about fluff. Here is my strongest opinion from this episode.

Garrett has yet to tell me anything of meaning through the whole season. He talks about others he does it as much if not more than Luke he seems to be very caught up in that he can say the right thing at the right moment he's standing naked with hannah bungee jumping that's the easiest date in the history of bachelor world to ever do well like how are you going to do that wrong just don't look at her too often don't say anything sexist or don't say anything too weird hold her tight and jump out of this thing it's all going to work out i got to interrupt you so right that is so much different for a guy we have to talk about that the appropriateness of this date. Okay, I have, can I, can we go into it? Of course. Okay. So, I would never be okay with being

naked on a date where I still had other guys in the competition. Actually, I would never be okay being naked unless I was like dating the guy. Actually, you know how many dates they tried to make me be naked for in my back? Really? Yes. The day with crystals tried to make me be naked. The day with Evan, when we painted, tried to make me be naked. They're always trying to make me be naked. There's nothing more liberating than having sex on camera, by the way. Wow. We just went there.

Wait, did this happen and we didn't know about it? You didn't. Well, you know now. You know, it was secret in one of the boom boom rooms, right? Uh-huh. In my bedroom. He's smiling so big right now. I remember Carly talking about that sex session. Man, she's like, I didn't care.

They try to make people do it. It's just a matter of. if you'll do it or not. So Hannah went on Instagram story last night and she said, I have something very secret to let you guys in on. Oh gosh, what did she say? Did she say she had underwear on?

Yes. Okay, I knew it. I knew it too, but then they really played tricks with the camera. Well, they didn't show that area, though. They showed her upper area, but not. Yeah, but they were trying to show like high thigh on both of them

to show that there wasn't any underwear there. They're good. They are good. All I can think about, we've had these conversations before, and Evan, I need you to join in here because this is an area you're in expertise of expertise. Okay. I was watching this and I had two thoughts. One is I don't love because I've been in this situation that it felt to me. Now, I'm on the side of most of probably the normal men in the world that say, Hannah, do what you want to do.

Like, this is your deal. You're dating these guys. Have fun. Go wild. Get naked. For me, and I think we've talked about on the podcast before, I don't mind being naked. I think it's a fantastic liberating experience. I don't think I'd ever want to do it on television, just for multiple reasons.

It's not, it wouldn't be something I'd feel probably comfortable with or what I really want to respond to. So two thoughts. One is, I don't love how the show made it seem like she was shocked and surprised by them being naked. And it felt like we were pushing her into a corner of, are you going to get naked or not? I don't love that. That made me very uncomfortable. Well, the second thought, and then I'll let you guys respond, is if I'm Garrett and I'm dating my girlfriend and she's naked in front of me and we're making out up close and personal, the things that are going to happen on like really your first date are incredibly uncomfortable. Like, I don't want.

Like that is really crossing the line. Like as a man, I don't want my first date to be that intimate. Am I wrong? Oh, heck now. I feel very uncomfortable with, with. the date. I don't even get naked in like spas in like the sauna. I don't either. It's so weird.

Yeah. I'll be like, oh my God, there's naked women in here. That's so crazy. I can't believe everybody's so comfortable getting naked. I don't know. I just always been always been always been very private. I grew up with a mom who like never showed me her boobies or anything like that. Yeah, me too. No, I was raised extremely like conservative as well and but there's something.

You're a dude. It's so different. It's different for girls and boys. We have more parts to show off. You're totally right. You're totally right. And it's not because it's not, I'm not body positive. It's not because like I don't like love my body. I actually never had body image issues. It's just a private area for me truly. Yeah, I totally

agree. I totally agree that it's different for a man and a woman. But there is one thing that a man has that a woman doesn't and you can tell when we're excited or not. But do you think like maybe he didn't get as excited because he also was kind of scared to jump off? That never would stop me. He was freezing though, Ben.

What about that? It was freezing. We did have shrinkage issues. I think maybe it, Evan, how does it work? If it's cold and there's fear, could it not get? He knows. Yeah, I mean, like the two cameras around and the coldness probably did not, he probably did not get it up. I mean, it's highly unlikely.

So the positive to all of this. Let's go to the tape. Let's go to the tape. Let's get a close up. The positive of all of this, and I do agree with this moment, is they're sitting at dinner that night. and he says something, and she agrees, he goes, I feel like we connected, and this was a very intimate day for us, and we've connected more today than I ever thought we could. I agree with that. That is one thing that, you know, letting your guard down, you know, doing something like this, that's wild, that's crazy that you're both going to laugh at, and they did well at laughing at it and just like having a good time. I do think it brought them closer together, but I'd like to then hear from your opinions on what, like, as a response, did Garrett do anything actually on this date to impress you? I think bungee jumping in general is going to get you closer.

I don't think the naked part really had much to do with it. Evan, what were you going to say? Yeah, no. At the dinner, I was a little perturbed because she opened up, and I can't remember what it was about. She was sharing, she really was like talking about being heard or something and how hard it was. And then he just turned around and flipped it back and made it about him. Like he literally didn't even say, oh, he was like, oh, that's cool. And me, and I feel like we're getting a lot of that from some of the guys where it's like just

switches it right back, right back to them to talk about themselves. I don't know. Garrett's definitely become less likable the past couple weeks. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. See, I'm surprised you guys say that because I watch this episode and I thought based on my limited experience is the fans and the people are going to react in a positive

ways towards Garrett. Oh, sure. He's going to become more likable from this date. Probably. And especially since he's the, you know, the good guy going against Luke. You know, I mean, that's so he is going to. it more like but you know from a relationship perspective purely with hannah because you know that's why we're here it's like i feel like he doesn't have a chance in hell with hannah i don't know i feel

like he's not the good guy against luke i think the good guys against luke are the ones that aren't talking about luke at this point no i agree i'm saying what people will perceive people everyone will think oh yes go get luke take him down yeah but no but then he was like creepy when he said that one thing when he was walking on the door like sleep well that was so Okay. So you just made yourself a creepo, man. That was weird. Oh, man. It was a great line, though. Great creepy line. It was a great creepy line. It was like a Kelsey Po line. Yes. All right. We have to let Carly and Evan go, which is so sad. Oh, man. Busy people. A lot going on. I could talk about this all day long. He could. It's true.

Thanks for having us on, guys. Thank you for coming on. And we will have you back before. for the end of the season because you guys are great recapers. You have such passion. Thank you. Oh, you're so sweet. Ben, can't wait to hang in Nashville, dude. Come on. Oh, I'm there all the time now.

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with another man. And I feel like a lot of people, I think a lot of people want to get at Luke for that. But if you really think about it and you're sitting down. like your boyfriend, your husband, your fiance, and you're like, oh, I mean, I guess if I was in his shoes, I probably would feel a little bit weird about that as well. I think Luke goes wrong completely in telling her what she should do with her body and what she can't do and what he because he does not have the, he does not have the right right now to tell her any of that, to give his opinion on any of that. This is her thing. She's leading it.

her body. But I mean, I guess I can understand it being a little bit weird, taking home a girl who's already been naked within the past two weeks with another man. I, I, let's, can we sit here and talk about this just back and forth for a bit? Because I feel like this is an interesting conversation. And one that I've thought a lot about, even since last week when we got the teaser, right? Yeah. Ashley, here's my, I, I agree with you.

I think it's weird. This is one of those times where the shows, format and real life kind of collide because he's feeling like that is his girlfriend and he's mentioned that like hey this is my girlfriend and she also is because of the format dating other men and exploring those relationships so it's going to get weird it just is and so I think how we look at this is yeah if I was if I had a girlfriend and she and we've been dating for let's even say a month I don't know how long the show has been going on right now but let's say month. And she comes to me one day and she goes, funny story. Like, I was just bungee jumping

naked with a dude. Like, I'd be like, I don't think I like that. Like, I don't know if I feel great about that. I think, like you said, so from Luke's perspective, and we've kind of talked about this all season, and it's actually been kind of interesting how many comments we've gotten in one of the first times ever on this podcast where people have gone, you need to be meaner to Luke P. Like, you guys are being too nice to him. You're understanding him too much. Like, He's doing crazy things. Typically, it's the reverse for us. But I think in this situation, I can see his thought process.

And I think here's where I want to talk to you is how did he communicate it poorly? What is your opinion on and how he communicated it poorly? He communicated it poorly by calling what she did a mistake, especially a boneheaded mistake. I know that later in the episode he tried to backpedal on that and be like, no, no, no, I was talking about future boneheaded mistakes. Not this one being a boneheaded mistake, but that is absolutely where he went wrong because she's like, it wasn't a mistake. It's actually something that I'm really glad that I did. And we have a respect that she's glad. It feels like to me, there's a great book that I've read multiple times now and I tell anybody to read it and I've talked about it here.

It's called Scary Close. And Scary Close is a book really on relational communication and how we relate with people and relationships. And there's a whole two chapters about manipulation and how all of us. us at some level are our manipulators. We just are in our own ways. It feels like to me one of the things that Luke P has done consistently throughout the season is he has tried or attempted or has manipulated situations where he brings in guilt and shame to very bad emotions to situations to try to get his way.

And then when he is confronted on it by Hannah or the other guys, he backpedals. Oh, absolutely what he did here. Yeah, he totally shamed her and then and then backpedaled the following day. So even with, I'm thinking here, like, I can only really relate with my own personal circumstance. So say Jessica, she comes to me one day and she's like, hey, I was in this situation, you know, all of a sudden this work event happened and this guy and I had to do a speed dating round. I'd be like, yeah, I don't love that. And but my follow up question would be like, well, how did it make you feel? why did you choose to do that like what is it like and then hopefully i could if i was uncomfortable i

could follow up with hey jess like this makes me feel uncomfortable why and then we would respond like we would converse and talk about it and communicate about you know those things i think in this situation i was upset with luke and this is one of the first times in a long time i was like dude this is like dangerously bad is because he went at her with shame which is There's a terrible approach and one that if I was Hannah, honestly, call it whatever, he's home, he's going home that night. I never want to date anybody that resorts to confrontation and pushes me into a corner of shame. I think that if you wanted to talk about this, he could have been like, whew, that makes me feel a little. It makes it like, it hurts.

I feel jealous, but I know that it's what you wanted to do. So I'm glad you did it. It's a moral, yeah. I mean, it's a moral line that he's calling, right? I mean, call it from whatever. I'm assuming it's coming from something in his faith background or his conservative approach to life. And I don't want to tell somebody where their moral standards should fall. I think we work through that in life.

But if that is where his moral standards fall, that he's uncomfortable with this situation, there are right ways to approach it. and he went about it in a very dangerous way and for as nice as we've been to Luke P maybe the last couple weeks he was wrong and this is scary wrong

this was the week where I was like okay no done done come on you have to eliminate him because there's no reason to keep him around anymore she doesn't have fun with him she doesn't even seem to like him he just makes her angry this is the first rose ceremony

where I go I don't get it anymore Hannah I don't get it I can understand you keeping him around for initial sparks for that feeling that you had when you guys first started dating. But now I don't feel like you're in with him. And I don't think that you're ever going to feel better about him again. He just makes you angry. I don't get it.

I don't love either, you know, the talk, I think at one point. And I know where that's coming from as well. He says comments like, your body is a temple. Oh, yeah. Of course it is. I mean, it is a temple. and it is something that we should all hold to a high standard. We should love our bodies and respect our bodies.

But at what level, I never quite got the parallel between your bodies and temple and what you did was wrong. Like, if anything, she was just comfortable in her skin enough to say, screw it, I'm going to do this. Right. I think there was another moment where he was using faith as a weapon. And I'm not okay with that. Ashley, this is where it gets really personal with me. And I was sitting last night with my family watching this.

And I was like, I don't like I, the show makes me laugh a lot. And I get in, you know, we do this podcast and we talk about it a lot. And I spoke a little bit about this last week. But last night again, it gets me angry because I love Jesus. Like, Jesus is the rock to my life. And, and nothing I do makes sense without my belief in a God. But that belief in a God is never used for shame, guilt or as a weapon. And it makes me angry that the.

the idea and the perception that we're sending from this show right now is that as a Christian, these are the normal responses we should have towards people. Like, they show him praying. They show him in a, like, this gets really personal to me. And for women out there,

like, hey, and maybe this will be controversial. I don't know if I would love that my girlfriend did that either. Like, quite honestly. I think that's fine for you to say. But don't.

at any level, make anybody, especially when it comes with the right intentions, to feel shame or guilt, or that they should hide in a corner in an apologetic way because they made a decision like this. Like, and it's, it's scary for me what the public is seeing from his mouth or hearing from his mouth right now and how they're relating that to the God that I love so dearly. So you just don't, you want to make sure that people know that Christians, are not all like Luke. Well, none of us are the same, right? And so I'm like, Luke, I'm not going to question his belief in God.

Like, I don't know that side of him. I don't know where he stands with his faith. All I know from what I've seen is that it's used now on a few occasions to be a weapon or to bring on shame or guilt. Like his moral standard is the standard he sets his stake in and then everybody else that doesn't equate to that somehow is wrong. And that's where I want to draw the line. say not every person that has a moral compass feels this way or would communicate it in this way.

I want to go back to something you said, I probably wouldn't want my girlfriend doing this. Yeah. Luke keeps telling Hannah, you're perfect. You're the girl I want to marry. But he's just saying those things because. Well, it feels like it. He just doesn't know her. And she's maybe probably proving that she's less conservative than he'd want a girl to be.

And yet he, of course, keeps saying. things like, I want to marry you. You're my perfect girl. I think she's proving that she's not your perfect girl. Well, let me get personal for a second. And I've never talked about this publicly. So let's go to Lauren and I for a second. Somebody that I think we both had a mutual love for each other and a mutual respect for each other, right? Now, we were not Luke and Hannah. We got along for the most part, right? But there was a time in our relationship towards the end that we, and it wasn't even lifestyle choices, it wasn't decisions that we were making, we could just tell that we weren't clicking.

Like the things I would do, maybe she not, wasn't maybe not a fan of, but just didn't really enjoy. And the things that she would do, maybe I didn't enjoy or things I would do on occasion would annoy her, or maybe things I would do every day in my life would annoy her. And we just realized at that point, there was a lack of compatibility. We weren't the right partners for each other. We weren't bringing out the best in each other that our, relationship was more frustrating than it was

uplifting. Right. And that's exactly what we're seeing between Hannah and Luke on a smaller scale. On a smaller scale. Now, I don't want to compare Lauren and I to Hannah Luke. We have a lot healthier relationship with that. But I think all of our listeners out there could say, if they've been in a few relationships, could say, hey, I've been in a relationship that we wanted it to work, that everything aligned for it to work. But at the of the day we were not compatible that our conversations ended up in frustration as much as we

didn't want them to be i look back to a few weeks ago when luke had is 101 hannah went into that wanting to have a great time with him and it ended with both of them being frustrated for whatever reason that happens in relationships and at that point actually once again i think it's a good teller of this isn't going to work which is why it's super weird that she keeps giving him a rose because they have proven to be completely incompatible. Let's open us up to the listeners. Listeners, why do you think Hannah continues to keep them around? I don't want to get emails on, oh, the show is making her.

Because I don't think they are. I don't think they are. What is it about Luke right now that you think Hannah is still intrigued by or thinks it could work? Is it just the frustration that brings her back? Is it the fact that she has unfinished business with him or that he still has a pull on her in some way? whatever it is, I want to hear your thoughts in as much detail as possible. Ashley and I want to read those this week at Ben and Ashley at iHeartMedia.com. Ben, there's one more thing about the naked stuff that I want to talk about.

The other guys made it seem like they were okay with it, especially Tyler. And I think it's kind of wacky to be like, oh, it's totally fun and chill about it. It was like totally great. I'm really happy for it's okay to express some jealousy, some annoyance, some oh, that really fired me up. I don't know that I even think it's 100% okay to be like, oh, so chill with it because does that show that you're not like super into her? Because you didn't have a tinge of jealousy in that moment.

I think like it's cool to be like, I respect whatever decision she does with her body and all that, but like to not even show a little frustration with the date. Good point. Well, and I wonder if there's two things to that. One is that he feel that Tyler and the rest of the group sees that there's so much shame and guilt right now and Hannah about it, that they're going in the opposite direction. Like, okay, at the end of the day, I care about this woman. I like this woman. Maybe I'm falling in love with her.

I don't want, I mean, I know now with, you know, my relationship, I don't want Jessica to feel shame or guilt or to feel down and out, especially over a decision she's made with the best of intentions. And so maybe those guys are going the opposite way saying, it's not. even a battle that I even want to get into, like at the end of the day, this is going to work out like it needs to work out in the end anyways. I think it was, I think if that's the case, and it probably was because they know to stay away from Luke P. drama, that's probably what it was, and that's really, it's great. All I can say is that on Crystal's season, Britt came back from her date with him and said, and then we took a nap, and then the cameras left, and we went to his.

room and we slept together, just took a nap and ate food and talked. And we were all admittedly fired up over it. Yeah. I think that's fair. I mean, I remember back in the day the famous episode where Caitlin and Sean had their moment kind of in front of me and definitely were kissing and I was fired up. Like I was jealous. I was envious. I was everything like it wasn't okay. And I But I think the way Caitlin and I discussed it made it at least understandable because when we sat down, it was, you know, why was this as a decision that you made? Where do I stand in your life? Like, can we talk through, like, what your thought process was? And where do you want this to go from here?

Like, ideally, where do we go from here? And it all worked out. Like, in the day when I was let go in Ireland, that no longer was a concern of mine because we had discussed it. And I had become in support of her when the other guys in the house maybe would be. still upset about the fact that, you know, she hooked up with Sean or that, you know, Nick came on the show and they had a series of dates or whatever beforehand. Like, it would all, like, because we had been able to talk it out, it allowed me to be in a position of support for her instead of one of, with the army going, yeah, she's wrong.

Right. All right. What an interesting. What an interesting. What an interesting scenario. one of the most compelling situations that we've seen in recent Bachelor history, I think it's only going to continue for Luke P. I'm not a fan of what happened this week with him.

It's a dangerous communication style. But I want to hear your thoughts as well because I do think this will be controversial. I think there'll be people maybe not on Luke P's side on how he did it, but just the response to would you feel jealousy or if you could put yourself in the Bachelor world for one episode or one season and this has. happens. How would you have responded? Please email us, tweet us. Make sure you hashtag the Almost Famous Podcast so we can see it. Ashley, skipping over this now, as much of a conversation it is, can we go into the group date that I know you found incredibly enjoyable?

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I mean, it was so much fun. And can we just admit that Hannah was a little bit tipsy off that moonshine? And I think it was really good for her. It always is. I don't know how much Hannah is choosing to drink. her season. But I know for me, I chose to drink very little. I was nervous and there's a lot to do. But there was a date in Mexico where I let loose and I had a few drinks and it makes this whole thing really fun. She was having a blast at this market and the guys were having fun with

her. You can just see like everybody's energy levels are up. It's interesting. I feel like every point in most seasons, this group dates typically goes pretty well, right? I mean, it doesn't feel like there's a lot of pressure. There's still enough guys there where you can kind of figure out who's going to go home and who's not. But I also think that we have some recourse from and repercussion from the conversation Hannah had with the guys a few weeks ago when she said, hey, idiots, like, you guys continue to make this thing hard for me. Can you stop? Like, can we just have fun so we can see if this thing is going to work or not? And I think the guys are probably still, like, acting in a way that, yeah, they're enjoying

themselves. But she has made sure that their mindset is on having a good time, joy, and fun. And not how do we make this as dramatic as possible? Right. Exactly. The one thing I want to talk about the group day that I want to believe so much. But now Jed and his player way is because we know we have confirmation that Jed is a player. I'm just feeling the same way about Tyler again.

because he's just like a little bit too smooth with lines. He's like, I saw you in that white dress and you were just heaven-scent and I was like, I want to make you feel specially. That's the kind of woman I want to be with. I don't know. What do you think? I just like I feel like I have my player, my player hat is on right now. My siren is at the top of the hat.

And every time I see Jed during this whole episode, it goes off, of course. But now I think because it's sitting on my head. head. I'm feeling that way again with Tyler. I want to see Tyler be real. Like, he's not saying anything of substance. And I know Tyler, I'm going to just get blown up because Tyler has a huge following. He's a good looking dude. He has a lot going for him.

And there's no like red flags yet with me with Tyler, but I don't think he said anything real yet. You guys are just talking about it earlier. It feels like he says the right things. It's not hard to go into a. date and say a few lines to make anybody feel special but there's no vulnerability yet and that's what I want at a summit one of these guys like none of these guys have showed any vulnerability at this point and hand and and before you all say come on this is crazy Hannah has even said it

she said it a few weeks ago and she says I know nothing about you and you know nothing about me all we do is have a good time and say the right things yeah I mean Luke says beautiful beautiful, like, pretty words. And he says things that are out of romance novels. But I just... I was going to say, I don't think Lucas said a pretty word since the beginning of this thing. I have no idea why I said Luke. Tyler says such pretty things.

He's, like, out of a Nicholas Sparks novel. But I just... I'm just a little bit concerned now. Because, you know why? because as a girl, I love to fall for things like this. And I say, I know that it sounds like he's playing, that he's said these things a zillion times to a zillion different girls. I want to believe it.

Can you just let me believe it? And then I'll be watching or getting feedback from a guy, from a male point of view. And then they'll be like, this guy is so full of beep. You know? He is full of crap. And I'm like, really? Oh, you're killing my dream.

But I think that in situations like this, you have to take advice from you have to hear the feedback from guys because I think that they know how to spot players way better than girls. I mean, let's all take a second here. Ashley, you're in a committed relationship with a man who loves you dearly and who wants you to feel as special as possible at any moment of the day. Now, granted, on a nice date night or on a morning that it just hits him in the heart, Jared, I'm sure, looks at you and says, Ashley, you look beautiful today. or Ashley, like, I'm so lucky to spend my life with you. Like, but that's not happening all the time. And for the most part, when you communicate with Jared, I'm assuming it's out of vulnerability. It's out of confiding in each other.

It's real life stuff. And you know that like the part that you love about him is not the pretty words he says. Yeah. It's funny that you said that because last night when we were talking about Tyler, he was like, I would never tell you, you stood there in that white dress. you know it would be funny right it would be laughable you would laugh at him so yeah i i look at this and i'm saying hey tyler has yet to prove to us that he is a player he obviously doesn't mean kind of like we said with the pete situation we look at a guy like tyler and we shouldn't

judge him for it because he's good looking he has a lot going for him he's ripped he says the right things our assumption is player but we don't know that yet we can't but with jed which we'll get two later in the podcast. We know. If everybody's wondering, if we're going to talk about Jeddah or not, we are, it'll be at the end of the podcast to stay tuned. We can read right through it now because we have tangible examples of it. Ashley, there's something I want to talk about because I feel like there's one guy that

has even touched the line of vulnerability this season who seems like a good dude, who I'm a fan of, and I think you are as well. He's been in our top three a lot this year. Good looking guy. We don't see anything from him ever. and when we do, he seems to not give off a player vibe. He doesn't just say the right things. If anything, it feels like he's trying really hard just to get time with Hannah most of the time.

It's Connor. Yeah. Why aren't we seeing anything from him? I don't know. I mean, the only reason that I eliminate, eliminate Connor in my head is because he just feels very young to me. But is he? I mean, what is he 20? No, I know he's like 24.

He's like her age or whatever. It's just, I don't. I don't know why I keep just disregarding him in my head. I guess it's because we're not seeing much of him. It's a little frustrating to me, Ash. Like, it is because I do think, and again, I'm seeing very little amount of their life. I do think Connor has shown, at least on a consistent basis, to not say the right things or try to say the right things, to try to get time with Hannah, to do small little gestures to make her feel special. And I do think that if anything, he cares enough to continue to try.

and I'm not seeing anything from him and maybe just Hannah isn't that into him but we haven't heard that side either. Yeah, you're right. Again, I'm not a great judge sometimes with this stuff, but how was Connor not captured the hearts of every woman in America?

I mean, Tyler has, but Connor has a very... It's a boyishness, I'm telling you. Is it? I mean, that's interesting. That's a great point. If it's the boyishness, then that makes sense. He looks like a college kin to me. He looks like the boy next door.

Tyler is in a similar way with like his looks and all that but I think that Tyler presents himself more manly Okay that's fair I think that's a fair take it makes sense It just my take from this episode is I'm frustrated Because I want to see more Connor I like Connor like Connor like Connor is not the kind of guy

Who's gonna push you against a wall And like be like super romantic He's gonna be like the guy who takes you like a cute date And you hold his hand and it's cute But he doesn't like give off sex sexual vibes. Well, hey, this group day was fun. It was exciting.

It was enjoyable to watch. There was great things that happened. But Ashley just brought up a great point. He doesn't give you off the sexual vibes, the vibes that will push you up against the wall or push you onto a sauna. And that's exactly what Pilot Pete did, as we talked about earlier in this podcast. Pilot Pete went all out. We saw some wild things from Pilot Pete. Again, kind of like the Colton and Hannah G.

scene. I was watching like, hey, this is an intimate moment and I'm glad the cameras shut the door and left because let these two people be. They need a moment. Oh my God. I was thinking about the cameraman so much about how the fact that he was like probably sweaty and couldn't breathe and had to watch them do that. It was so, it was so intense. And in a sense, I'm going to use the word beautiful. Like it felt real. It felt like Hannah was letting her guard down again. And it felt like Pilot Pete was enjoying the moment as well. And it didn't feel like, hey, let's just hook up and, hey, we're dating. We only have a few minutes.

It felt like a very intimate scenario between two people who were beginning to care about each other and who needed it. Honestly, in this whole, my only like negative from all of this is with you is the poor cameraman. What a terrible job. Like sweaty, sauna, big old camera on your shoulder and you're 10 feet from two people going at it. I truly thought that you're right.

was more of a romantic scene than it was watching two people hook up. I wonder what Hannah, Hannah has tweeted quite a bit this last week about her grandfather and how big a fan he is. I think she calls him Granddaddy of the show. I wonder what Granddaddy felt watching this because I watched one episode with my grandma and their response as supportive as she is and she was very supportive and tried to be, their response is never the right words, the right thing. Like, it's either, oh, that's sweet or, wow, like, you really like him or like her, huh?

Like, it's always a thing that just makes you cringe a little bit inside because it's your grandparent and it feels weird for them to know that side. Oh, yeah, totally. My grandma would call him, like, she'd make the funniest comments after watching me on the show. It's interesting to see the pilot Pete one-on-one. I think he's in for the long haul. We'll see Pilot Pete for a few more weeks. We've talked about it in length.

Moving on now. To Jed. He made a special appearance. He didn't have a one-on-one this week. He didn't get a rose before the rose ceremony, and this man is an expert at getting a rose before the rose ceremony. He showed up after Pete's one-on-one and serenated her from the street as Hannah watched from her balcony and talk about a fairy tale, right?

she even said like this is what fairy tales or romance novels are made out of but the thing is romance novels usually don't have that component of having a girlfriend back at home yeah so i think this is an obvious question and actually i want to just throw it to you is this this scene i honestly just made my stomach hurt it was oh my god it was it was weird and and honestly i think and here's my take and I want to hear yours now. My take is even if Jed, if we didn't know this about Jed still having an ex or dating a girl up into the show and telling her that he, you know, all the things he's sweet, nothings he said to her right on the moment he left, even if we didn't know that side,

I still think that this moment would have made me feel weird. I don't love these like, hey, I'm going to go out of my way to go see you because here's my thought. And then I want to throw it to you for all of your thoughts on Jed. But for everybody out there listening, I felt this was a good moment to kind of give a behind-the-scenes take um as the bachelor bachelor bachelor's at you spend you know 40 dates in the season you spend three months close to it dating uh consistently you're exhausted like really tired and as much as you might love people and you really appreciate the people that they're there to date you and

that you're trying to figure out if you could spend a life with like you might really love them but even like in the most deep pieces of love like you need time away and you need time apart And so here's one thing that I didn't love about this, really two things. One is I don't love any dude or anybody that's going to show up and serenade you from the bottom of a balcony. I think that's sweet, but that gesture has been pulled off many times in history. It's nothing unique. Get over yourself. The second thought, and granted, I'm really angry at Jed right now.

I'm not a fan of what he did at all. The second thought is this, if you really cared about The Bachelor or Bachelor, you know they've been on a long date. You know that date's been really good. You know she's probably at home or he's at home trying to process what's been happening and what that date did. And they're also trying to rest and relax because they've got a whole other date the next day. The last thing I really ever wanted to see and do was at probably 11 o'clock at night to have anybody else show up to my door. Because that means the cameras are back in my room. That means I'm back on.

That means I'm back into conversation. That means I'm cuddling again. And quite honestly, after seeing like the Pete date, You just got after it with somebody. You don't really have the energy to get back after it again. At least I wouldn't. Okay. So you definitely see it from the Bachelor or Bachelor at Leeds point of view.

And if I was in that position, you're right, I'd be pretty annoyed to finally get my alone time, then have it interrupted because alone time is very important to me. And I know it's also very important to Hannah. The only case in which I'd be down for one of my favorites to come. and serenade me or spend time with me at night after another one-on-one would be if I went on a one-on-one with somebody who I was like lukewarm about, like who I liked, but who I was probably thinking about others while I was with. And then if one of those others showed up at the end of the night, I think it would be able to confirm my feelings for them a little bit more. And it may just be nice to be like, oh, somebody that I like really am excited to see and really am

excited to touch. Um, Jed, I'm tired of this song, though. It's like, getting new song buddy but now of course I say this because I'm annoyed with him yeah everything seems contrived everything just is so yucky to us now it's it's so annoying because this would have been a romantic moment at least from a girl's point of view maybe maybe Ben's right though maybe it has been overdone but it would have been romantic and it would have been everything that we'd wanted to see we probably would have like passed out due to like all the swooning but the entire time we're like what a phony baloney what an asshole everything's just a move for him.

So, you know. Maybe I'm envious too because I can't sing. There could just be a little envy when I see this stuff is like, I'm not that guy. Like if I stood at your balcony and sang to you, like, it's a comedy act. Like you're going to laugh. It's going to be funny. Like, this is not going to be sweet. You're going to go, Ben, either get off the street or come up here and like salk in your unskilled, you know, ways.

Ashley, I want to pause here. because before we get to the podcast, I have a few questions that I want to throw off to you. I was always a little hesitant on Jed, not knowing any of this, but just like, you did say that. Yeah,

you said that. But you were a fan. Your thoughts on Jed have obviously changed. And I think it's time now in the season for us to start looking at. She's obviously into him. He's going to make it a long ways. We're as viewers now a little angry. What happens?

Like, how does this play out? How does the show respond to what's been made public? what goes on from here on out where are we able to support this relationship at all if they're together or not based on what we know about Jed? Before I get into that, I want to talk more about the musician thing for just one second. It's almost like we've seen Jed sing more than we've seen Jed speak to her. So I feel like he's like hiding behind his musician talents. You know?

Oh, but he's not there to get famous. Oh, yeah. Well, that's right. Isn't it kind of crazy? the way, I don't know if we talked about this last week, but I'm surprised by how much they've let him perform because there have been other musicians on this show before and they've never been able to sing this many times. I wonder, Ashley, if at some point, because we obviously know this news of him having somebody back home, came out probably during the filming of the show

after a while, I would assume, I wonder if the show is trying to show us the real Jed, and then at some point the show will actually break down and show us that he was never out for the right reasons that they're trying to show us oh he was really always trying to sing he was always trying to you know show his talents and his skills to her and then at some point later on it all makes sense when they say oh but he also has a girl at home and he also was the first to say I'm not here to get famous right I know I agree it could be it could be a mechanism showing all the all these musical performances and very little talking between the two of them

I to go back to your question your other question I feel like she's constantly if she does if Hannah ends up with with Jed she's going to constantly have trust issues she's never going to feel like the origin of their relationship

was clean she's always going to have doubts if I don't know to play devil's advocate, you can just, you can say, okay, he went on with a girlfriend. He went on to promote his, you know, his business, basically. But he, um, along the way, found the love of his life.

And no one, especially him, would have ever expected that to be the way that events turned out to be. But that's truly how he feels that Hannah is the love of his life. I don't know if we're ever going to believe him even if that is the truth, right? I'll be honest, I'll have a hard time. I will. And a little bit of cynical and a little bit of seeing this thing play out before in different past seasons. If that's the case, we should we should all try to get to a place of celebrating them as a couple. But I will have a hard time with that.

If they are together, I know we're like really jumping ahead. We have like five weeks left. But if they are together, I would just, I would think that she should probably. not be with him. If they are together, Ashley, this after the final rose will be one of the most intense episodes of all time. Can we imagine right now, like a live episode where he sits out there and Chris Harrison questions him and the crowd booze and all those things like it would be wild. Hey, Ashley, I want to close with a few thoughts and takeaways from the episode before you let us know who goes home, which is obviously Dylan and, uh, uh, uh, uh,

Shoot, what's other guy's name? Dylan and Dustin. Dustin. Don't even remember his name because I don't think I ever heard him talk. Poor guy. He did get a group date, rose, early on. I am now, I've been told by our Twitter following that I'm no longer allowed to talk about self-describing, so I will not do that. But I will bring up something else that has now annoyed me about this show and about people.

And I would love to throw it out there for you and our listeners to also get mad at me about. there is this communication style that's going on right now in the season where when guys want to have a really tough conversation, they open up their original statement by going, I'm going to be completely honest here. Oh, I'm going to be completely real. Mostly it's Luke P. But Tyler also did it this episode as well. And they always say, but in this moment, like, I just want to be completely real with you. Which makes me assume that at some point, you're not being completely rude. Or at some point, you're not being completely honest. To play devil's advocate again on this one, I think it's a way of people to start a conversation, letting them know that it's not going to be an easy one and it's going to be a little bit deeper than normal. They're just like preparing them for the state of the conversation. But as Evan mentioned, that would be fine and I would agree with you if their follow-up was about having a deep conversation. But typically the follow-up, at least from Luke P. Oh, yeah.

Tatling or about himself. Or about himself. like, I'm going to be completely honest with you. Like, uh, I'm, you know, whatever, whatever he says about himself. It's never this deep conversation. It's always just like, hey, in this moment, I'm going to tell you exactly how I'm feeling. Like, why do I have to say that? What do I have to preface anything with at this point?

I'm not going to lie to you. Like, I don't know. No, you're totally right. I think that people don't mean it literally. And it goes along with when people go literally, I just. a banana and you're like oh no no really you figuratively ate a banana it's the exact same thing i need to know though from all of you listeners because i love you dearly you've been great to us for the last two years um and ashley i want to hear from you as well am i crazy like the the

self-describing thing i'm done with i know i probably just continue to talk about it too much this situation is a communication thing that really annoyed me and got in my skin is that me just being overly annoyed, too sensitive, or do I have a point? So please email us up, Ben and Ashley at iHeartMedia.com. And Ashley, what do you think? I think it's a little bit of both. I think you're a little sensitive to it, but I think you definitely have a point, and we should stop saying it as much as we do.

Fair enough. How many times do we start honestly? I blah blah. Yeah, no, I don't like it either. It's like, oh, really, not honestly? Yeah. Well, you should fix it. Hey, Ashley, any emails out there that we want to read?

Let's just do. I got one real quick. We can start with. And while I'm reading, pick one out here. It's from Lauren. It says, Jed's X. I wanted to reach out regarding the recent news about Jed having a girlfriend before going on Hannah's season of the Bachelorette. Well, I'm sure this happens more than we find out about.

I truly felt for this girl. I recently dated a guy who moved to Nashville to further his music career. Oh, surprise, surprise. And a few months after the move decided he no longer wanted to be together. I decided to reach out to Haley to let her know that she's not alone and how strong she was for coming to share her story. I must say, she appreciated it more than I could have ever imagined and is one of the sweetest people I've ever talked to. Hey, just to give all of you listeners a clue, we've brought it up and you might not listen to last week's podcast. Jed in the news last week, it came out that he had a girlfriend going on to the show.

He was texting her as he was getting on the plane saying that he liked her body, he liked her spirit, all these things. and that when he got back from the show, he pretty much ignored her, what the cool kids are calling it these days, ghosted her. So Lauren reached out to Jed's X, it sounds like, and that Haley, Jed's X responded and was sweet about the conversation. That's why we're kind of down on Jed right now, or very down on Jed. He had a girlfriend back home, and we have text to prove it. Another email we have from Jessica says, I'm a Luke P fan.

I know that you guys aren't fans of Luke P., but I am a Luke Pee. He fan. Is he a total bro? Yes. Does he say things that make me say, oh, Luke? Absolutely. But do I think he's 100% there for Hannah? Yes. He definitely doesn't say all the right things to Hannah, but he does admit when he's wrong. He did give her what she wanted this week by telling her exactly how he feels. He's treating the guys with respect, even when they are tearing him down week after week. He really doesn't owe them anything but listens and responds. Has this season been the Everyone is against Luke show? Yes. And frankly, I'm over it. Fair enough. I mean, it's kind of what we were saying. Like, we don't want to be mean to the guy anymore. His,

this whole thing is going to affect him in ways that we can never imagine. But I do think Luke has done some consistently really kind of manipulative things that has made us now say, hey, we're not a fan of we're not okay with this and you can be a fan of his or at least supportive of him and knowing that he's going through a rough thing right now um let me just say that she says but do i think he is there 100% for hannah yes but i would say that he i would can repeat that sentence and say do i think he is 100% there for whoever the bachelorette would be yes so it's not hannah it's he just wants to win the bachelorette i cannot disagree with you actually Ashley. Hey, Ashley.

Yeah. Stay in your lane. I saw a street sign today that said that over the highway, and I wanted to take a picture, but, you know, I was driving, so I didn't. I hope you always stay in your lane. Don't look left. Don't look right. Drive straight ahead, Ashley, because when you stay in your lane, you don't cause issues for anybody else. Yeah. All right, guys, that has been the almost-a-as podcast this week. Thank you so much for listening. We adore you guys who have been here for us for the past. two years and 15 million downloads. Thank you so much. I've been Ashley. And I've been Ben.

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