The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Strange Forces at Work with John Paul Jones

Episode Date: January 14, 2020

The enigma… John Paul Jones is making his Almost Famous debut this week to discuss the 2nd week of Pilot Pete’s season! We hear the story of when he and Ashley first met and he gets real on what would happen if he came face to face with Derek Peth again after their encounter on Paradise.JPJ sticks around to help us break down this week’s episode of The Bachelor, with all the drama on and off the show. We have to get into Madi and her “fan account”.Plus Bachelor alum Robby Hayes is here to talk about his experience on Siesta Key! Is he the “villain” of that show?? And more importantly… what’s the story about his sex tape?? Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, hello, hello there. It is Ashley. And today I am not joined by Mr. Ben Higgins, but I am here with one of the summer's biggest reality stars, John Paul Jones. It is his first time on the Almost Famous podcast. Oh, super excited. Thank you for having me, Ashley. He's here looking just like. like a Disney prince the way that we've always imagined him to look. Have you gotten that before?

Here and there. Because like you literally look like a cartoon. You're like James Marsen and Enchanted when he like pops out of the cartoon and he's a real life human. That's so funny. Here and there, I don't know, some of you bachelor people tend to bring that up infrequently. I think it's funny. It's awesome. I mean, who doesn't want to look like a Disney prince? Let's talk about the first time we met. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just kind of ran with like just so much enthusiasm towards Jared who at the time was at was my fiancee we were at crystal and chris's wedding in paradise right and you didn't care about anyone else there except for jared and tell everybody why that was yeah sure so i'm not really familiar i don't consider

myself a bachelor person now i don't i never really frequently watched the show but jared is one of the very few people i do remember from uh kately bristow season my sisters watch it incessantly during the summer and for whatever reason i just remember his face because he kind of looks like Tom Cruise, doesn't he? Oh, absolutely. I call him my Tom Cruise. He has a sharper jawline than Tom Cruise, you know. Like, you know, these huge, like, rear cheekbones, you know, I just, he's just a memorable guy.

And he's one of the few people I remembered from the show, and I was just excited to see him. I think he took a, if I remember properly, I think he took a pretty hard loss on the Caitlin Bristow season. I just remember him. You know, he was top four. He definitely had a, you know, sentimental goodbye. Right. For whatever reason, that's the only thing I remember. remember from that season. I couldn't tell you who else was on his season, but I remember Jared. That is so sweet. And you don't even know how much you made his day, month, year by calling

he, you, he made, I remember it after the first episode of The Bachelorette, he DM'd me. And I was totally. Yeah. I think it was the first episode. And, uh, you know, I didn't really get that much attention, uh, after that. But Jared DM'd me and told me like, hey, you're Ashley and I's favorite. Whatever. Yeah. I was just really, uh, I was really flattered. by it he's a he's a good guy i'd keep him around oh thank you yeah for life commitment for life i'm glad to to say that oh congratulations thank you i formally addressed thank you but congratulations thank you but uh you just i mean tom cruise is one of his top three man crushes uh i think tom cruise is sort of the epitome of like man status i think like

every guy growing up wants to be tom cruise and your significant other happens to look thank you thank you thank you this what we always say and it's a really funny because he sounds so much like him especially when he gets passionate. If he's like really ranting about something it's like Jerry McGuire. Yeah, yeah. And I love it. That's awesome. I love it. Okay, so did you watch

the episode last night? I did. I'm familiar with some of the key highlights from it. I don't think I'll be able to keep up with all the names, but... That's fine. I think I'm looking through my notes right now and I'm thinking that there's really only like four names that you really need to know. How about Maddie? How do you feel about Maddie?

Because I want to start with a little gossip going on in the world about Maddie. Could you please give me a little filler? Okay, so Maddie was on the one-on-one last week. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know what? Oh, I really liked her. She was really reserved, you know, during the whole wedding bell exchange. And what was it? Yeah, she didn't draw any unnecessary attention to herself. She kind of respected the whole process of, you know, getting to know Pete's family without being too overbearing and, you know, kind of giving

that off that vibe. Look at me. I'm on this reality TV show, dating your son, whatever. She didn't really try too hard. There was a really. a nice sort of natural charisma about her. Yeah, I think everybody left with like a great taste in their mouth about Maddie last week. Yeah, yeah. Can I ask you a question real quick? The girl who walked up to Pete and put a blindfold on him immediately and started making out with him. What do you think would have happened if somebody from my season did that to Hannah?

Oh, I don't know. I can go two ways. I know. It's such a risky move, but I don't know. I thought it was really bold. you know, I don't, I think Pete's such a nice guy and, you know, I think he may be a little submissive in that respect. I don't think he's going to, you know, turn a girl down from kissing him,

but I don't know, I thought maybe there could be a little bit of a double standard there. I think there's usually double standards when it comes to the show. I know, I know. I was just really thrown aback by that because I don't think anybody on my season could have gotten, maybe Tyler Cameron could have gotten away with doing that with Hannah Brown. But that was a risky move. I both admired it and just kind of made me ponder, you know. That's making me ponder now, too.

If a guy did that to a girl, just grab your face. I know, I know. That was a risky movie. Anyway, anyway, you have to admire and question it at the same time. It was interesting. You know, Peter. You spent weeks with him on the show. Tell us a little bit about him that you don't think that we would know.

Yeah, well, I think Pete's very established in his career as a pilot. You know, he's 28 years old, and, you know, I think he's been single for a while. So I think this is really an appropriate time in his life. to, like, find someone that he really cares about. He's very passionate about flying. And, you know, I think, you know, he's really ready to find someone to share his life with. I agree with you.

It's nice to see somebody who is so passionate about their career. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know that he's going to go right back to it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, look at his Instagram stories. You know, he's posting videos of himself in the cockpit. You know, when he's not flying commercially, you know, I don't know what his, you know, family situation's like.

But, you know, he's clearly flying these cool. little like propeller planes and i mean you can tell the guy's really passionate about what he does and it's really cool to see and i think he's ready to share uh that passion with someone he's very passionate the way that he like kisses a girl yeah yeah yeah surprisingly you know because he looks so innocent i know i know he comes off as kind of submissive but uh you know he he definitely uh takes the reins uh when it comes to romance totally and yeah um we talked to PES last week and he was saying that, you know, on an off day, he'll just go fly for... That's the coolest thing in the world.

Professionally. I mean, that's badass. I mean, who can do that, you know? I mean, people that are incredibly established in their career and they have so much money they don't know what to do with. Maybe they'll go for a joy ride in the evening. I don't know. Frank Sinatra talks about that a lot, right?

Come fly with me. I'm pretty sure that's what he did, right? Yes. And, you know, they don't have the rights to that song. Because you imagine if they did. I know, I know, I know. But the point being a pizza cool guy. If he can just kind of go for a leisurely flight whenever he wants, I mean, it's pretty

hard to compete with. I agree. So let's get back to Maddie now, who, you know, won us all over last week. But then there was some awkwardness that happened on Thursday. Did you hear about this? Is this the fan account? Yes. Okay.

So Bachelor Sleuthers, this is an Instagram account, they did some detective work over the past week. And this past Thursday, Maddie Prew, you know, at Maddie Prue on Instagram commented, at Maddie Prue's photo saying beautiful date Maddie you are so genuine and real now on Instagram you can have multiple accounts and then switch in between them you know you don't have to like walk out of the app and then log back in you can just like you know go to your other account I didn't know that switch back and forth yeah so like we do it with our dog oh you're one of those people you have an Instagram for you do we did it we had too many pictures like that were just treasures lying around right right right okay so it seems

as if, you know, whoever wrote this comment under Maddie's Instagram meant, you know, meant it to not come from Maddie's account because it would be kind of weird to write a compliment to yourself on your own photo. Yeah, I guess so. That is, that's definitely a little suspicious. Yeah. I'm not really here to condemn anyone. I mean.

And there's no proof. Right. Right. Yeah. I don't know. I think it's one of the. these things we just have to wait out and see what does this fan account wind up posting in the future that's true like does this fan account or we don't even know a fan we don't even know if there is a fan account

that's the speculation part okay gotcha the speculate it's very hard to describe guys but the speculation is that mattie on her phone would have multiple accounts attached to her instagram and then she was on her regular personal account and made the comment thinking she was on supposed fan account That definitely could have happened. Yeah. Yeah, I can definitely attest to that to an agree. I think there's some John Paul Jones fan page out there. Oh, there definitely is.

But I think somebody could have easily have accused me for the same thing. No, I can guarantee you. I don't spend my time creating an account for myself, commenting on my own photos. I mean, I just don't really see how that could gain any sort of traction. Look, I don't know. I wish you the best, Maddie. look if you did it um i'm sorry it looks a little bit conceited to the public does look a little conceited it looks a little bit like oh man you're going to say that about yourself i think it's less

honestly i think it's less of her having a fan account that she's running and more so the what the comment said right right right but at the same time there are much worse things you could do there are there are a hell of a lot worse things out there man so the grand scheme of things like i think you know you'll look at this and you know laugh uh down the road i don't know but also in the yes in the grand scheme of things this is going to be forgotten after this conversation on the podcast right right right but i have one more thing to add about it yeah so it doesn't just end at that it seems as if a friend appears to take credit for the instagram mistake in their their instagram handle yes is um it's underscore a underscore i underscore d underscore three three four wrote oops thought i wrote that comment about being real

genuine yeah she did it okay from my account but i was logged in to maddie's when she got back from filming don't hate me at mattie prue that is awfully specific and very yeah i know yeah i know someone is clearly trying to bail her out yeah whatever yeah i don't know mattie you're not we're not charging you for any crimes, but the evidence is a little overwhelming. Maddie then responded to her friend saying, ha, ha, ha, you're good. It happens. Love you.

So it's definitely all the cover up with their friends. I mean, okay, there's no actual proof of this, but that is certainly what it looks like. Yeah, yeah, sorry, Maddie. I have no bone to pick with you, but in this instance, it does look like you had a, you created a fan account. Oh, well. Yeah, there are worse things you could do There certainly are

How did you think of Maddie and Peter's chemistry Last night, because last night He gave her a photo From the nuptial renewal Wow Of the family. It was her and his family Framed

Wow I know, it's a statement Yeah, that is that is She clearly has a great attention to detail And I think she seems I think that just purports the fact That she's really serious about this whole endeavor and I was really impressed with her because again you know she was very

you know kind of humble and you know kept to herself and was not drawing unnecessary attention during that wedding so she seems like a really cool girl you're saying she didn't she didn't draw unnecessary attention during a wedding makes you feel like you've learned a lesson yeah uh yeah we can talk about that later yeah sure sure uh yeah um no she was she seems like a cool girl All right. Well, we have, we don't have much more bachelor news that I think is like really important to talk about. So I do want to jump into the episode. Let's start with Hannah. That's what we left off in last week's episode. It was the best part of last week's episode. Right, right. And this week, we begin with the conversation continuing, but less words this time, more hugging. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, yep, yep, yeah. Yeah, that was interesting. I don't know, Hannah's a great girl. She's so,

charismatic and she's so much fun to be around what were your thoughts about her trying to get peter back being that you know them both way better than i do well i were bottled that with a question what do you think about a girl a girl who chose two other men over him right uh i think i kind of find it hard to believe that she's really that into him uh that's just my opinion i would i've said um before the past over the past week she simultaneously filming dancing with the stars i don't know if i'm yeah i think that was about the week that she probably started filming dancing with the stars I believe that most of it is probably rooted in jealousy and just like realizing that the guy that she could have had is now going to have the availability of 30 other women who want him. Right.

But didn't she also try to rekindle things with Tyler C at the reunion? So I don't know. Maybe she was just banking on some potential lingering feelings there. I don't know. She has the support of production. Why not give it a shot? I mean, there's really, the worst thing that he could have done was say no. And he was clearly open to it.

He was definitely open to it, but that's what I think is weird, is that we didn't get any response from her. We just, we ended with hugs. Yeah. And she never said, I can't come join you in the house. Right. She never said, I can't do this. I have to go do dancing with the stars. Never talked about a long-term plan, like I kind of predicted last week.

All it was was like a lot of touching and almost kiss and then him ending the conversation with I can't do this. Now, I'm thinking. that he said, I can't do this because he was kind of treating his heart fairly and trying to treat the other women fairly. Right, right, right. I also think that one girl, gosh, I forget her name, the one who put the blindfold over him

that one. I think we saw I don't know, the girl who put the blindfold over Pete and started making out with him. I know who you're referring to. I don't know her name now. But point being is that I think we saw a little bit of Pete's submissiveness and, you know, unwillingness to deny anyone like their attention. So I think Pete could just be

feeling bad and maybe he's you know the pressure's getting to him and you know maybe he's re sort of rekindling some of these feelings that he had for hannah and i don't know maybe he's just unwilling to deny her out of a result of the pressure that he's undergoing i get it he just kind of wants it to fade out rather than just like say it yeah and some guys just don't want to be mean you know some guys just feel obligated uh to say yes even when they don't want to because they just don't want to be mean right don't you feel like we as an audience didn't get much closure with the Hannah storyline if it indeed does end here. We went from the most dramatic conversation last week to like nothingness and I was waiting.

You know how he told the girls that he couldn't continue with that date, that he'd meet them later for the after party. I was thinking we were going to see him in the interview room all afternoon sorting out his feelings towards Hannah. I thought we were going to see Hannah doing the same thing. We got nothing. No emotion from either of that. Well, that's why we're going to tune in next week, right?

So I guess I'm just like, I'm feeling like it's poor storytelling if we don't get this storyline wrapped up in some capacity or another. Did they leave it open ended like this so that we have that continuous mystery and we keep holding on for that ending possibly being about Hannah? Or are we just supposed to forget about it? I don't know. I don't know. I wish I could tell you. I think I think they'd left it open end to just keep us in trance to the story.

I agree. So we could keep wondering about her coming back at the end of the season. Right, right, right, right. All right. Well, only time we'll tell, I suppose. Exactly.

And if Hannah doesn't show up again, I'm going to be annoyed. Really? Get closure. Oh, right, right, right, right. Like, why didn't you join? Well, we all know why you didn't join the house. Right, right, right.

Okay. All right. I think John is done with this. And he's eyeballing a glass of champagne, or actually a champagne bottle, that we have in front of us. And that is placed there so that we can talk about the champagne storyline in class. Sure. Yeah. You want to pop that bottle?

Yeah, sure. Well, thank you. Whoa. I thought this was just kind of here for show. I thought maybe you guys were teasing me with this. I don't know. Cool. All right.

Well, while John is finangling with the bottle, we will take a break. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate.

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Anyway, yeah, do you have an opinion? Who do you think there's a prettiest girl in the house? I'll have to second that. Kelsey's very pretty, Hannah Ann also has with this really, like, beautiful, natural look to her. Yeah. So Kelsey has been reserving this very special bottle of champagne that she got for her birthday. last year for a special occasion. So she brought it all the way from Iowa to have to share with Peter.

Wow. So she sets it all up, candles, glasses, all in a basket, very cute by the fireplace at the pre-rose ceremony cocktail party. But then, of course, Hannah Ann walks by arm and arm with Peter. Oh, come on. You know how. And says, let's sit down and let's have, let's have a bottle of champagne. I don't know about you, but it seems like.

there are magical forces behind this. Sort of coincidence. You know, Hannah-Anne was kind of the one to beat initially, given that she won the first impression rose. There seemed to be some strange forces at work out to get Hannah-Anne. Strange magical forces. John, you just said it so much better than I could have said it. I don't know.

There are strange forces at work here. I think you'd have to agree. I definitely agree. Hannah-Anne was definitely public enemy number one from, you know, the other contestant standpoint. So I think she may have been prompted by, I started somebody to have interrupted that whole champagne thing.

Yeah, so my... You don't know what happened during my season of The Bachelorette with Luke P. Everyone was out to get him. Yeah. So my theory is that some magical force was like there's a bottle of champagne

waiting for you guys. You should pop it. It's that way. Go find it. It's that way. So she's like, okay, so she's strolling along and the first bottle of champagne,

the only bottle of champagne she sees is right by the fireplace. Lo and behold, there was another bottle of champagne sitting in the little, little like, you know, the little pool area. And that wasn't the first one she saw. So she was like, oh, okay, I'll stop here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Poor Hannah Ann, she has no idea. Look, these champagne bottles are coming from every direction. You know, how is she supposed to know that one of them is special? You know, I think, I don't know, there seems to be a curse on the first impression, Rose. Whoever gets it seems to be public enemy number one from the whole house standpoint. I don't know.

Look, I think Hannah deservingly public enemy number one. But in this situation, I wish Kelsey would have seen some special forces at work. This is definitely not a Hannah-Anne thing. And while I don't think that she's very defendable, I'm definitely defending her in this situation. Yeah, how's the poor girl supposed to know? Give her a break. Gosh, I mean, Lord knows what's going to happen in the next episode. I'm sure something will happen to Hannah-Anne that will cause controversy.

It's always the first impression Rose winners that are under the gun. She definitely didn't do it with malice. she may have not she just didn't know she was ignorant towards whose bottle it is I can see Kelsey getting upset I think Kelsey and I'm the last person to ever be able to say this and perhaps John you are the other person that can't ever say this but she was a little bit yeah she overreacted a bit oh sure without without a doubt I mean you're under a lot of pressure I mean there are cameras on you the entire time and you have no idea what the outcome of the scene will be and so I think she probably just got caught up in the

moment she definitely did She called Hannah Ann some, not the, not the greatest things, but, but Hannah Ann later in the episode calls it bullying. And in my point of view, it definitely wasn't bullying. And this is one of the many times on the show we've had to discuss just the term bullying and what it means. I believe that bullying is completely different than confronting someone from not liking someone. Of course. That's like, I don't even think, nobody said that you were bullying Derek when you had the confrontation.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a fight. Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, it was definitely a confrontation for sure. So by the definition in the dictionary, bullying means to seek harm and to intimidate, to threaten to abuse. And I just see it complete. I don't interpret what went down between Kelsey and Hannah Ann as bullying.

And I think that Hannah Ann was obviously intentionally trying to mean girl out Kelsey. I'm sorry you think that she was trying to mean girl Oh no Hannah was trying to mean girl Kelsey When she brought up the situation to Peter and called it bullying Totally she said she was up all night crying I'm like no yeah now You were not affected girl no absolutely not And not only were you like not I don't think it was an emotional burden on you

But I think that you are confident enough in where you are with Peter That you would have slept so sadly that night You would have been like gosh she doesn't like me whatever yeah yeah yeah definitely and now peter of course is at the end of the episode conflicted on what to do because hannah ann is telling him that kelsey bullied and then kelsey is saying that's not how it went down at all we definitely i may have said some mean things but it wasn't bullying what do you think peter does in a situation like this knowing what we've seen from Peter, I think he'll probably hear

both sides out. I mean, if it was me, I probably would just dismiss the whole thing and make them hash it out themselves. It's not something that I think he really wants to deal with, but I think he'll probably hear him out and he'll be able to get an idea for who's the one complaining and, you know, who's

really... But how can you tell who's innocent, who's truthful? I think he has to start talking to the other girls about their feelings about each of them. It just gets messy and you take away time from getting to know other people. I I think Peter should just make them hashed amongst themselves. Yeah.

There's always some sort of drama like this, and it seems like the male lead can never figure out which girl is the conniving manipulator, aka Hannah Ann. I know, it's impossible. Look, you as The Bachelor, I think you have to be the true judge of character. You can't allow anybody else to sort of speak for themselves. You just kind of have to let your relationships with the other girls sort of find them. themselves um yeah i i think peter should just stay away from uh questioning all the other girls

it just never it just never turns out well well then i just hope to see kelsey get some more time with him yeah so that she can like prove that she's you know that she's a cool chick and not this girl who's a bully sure because she's not a bully right in my opinion i i agree okay what do you feel about do you feel do you have any feelings towards mckenna because i didn't think i had feelings towards mckenna before this episode but i um i now do and i find her annoying and i don't like the way that her friendship with hana ann looks and she uses a lot of bachelor speak um do i have a reason as to why i find her annoying i think it's because of the bachelor speak i think it's because she says things like like i'm really excited about like our growth on this journey

You know? Yeah. I just don't like it when girls, like, say all these weird things that they think they're supposed to say because they're on The Bachelor. Right, right. Totally agree. Why are you doing that, McKenna? Don't do that. All right. We have to talk about Victoria F when we get back. And, of course, interview JPJ. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit.

Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them.

I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you.

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Maybe you felt stuck in a job, a place, or even a relationship. I'm Emily Tish Sussman and on she pivots, I dive into the inspiring pivots of women who have taken big leaps and their lives. and careers. I'm Gretchen Whitmer, Jody Sweeten, Monica Penn, Elaine Welteroff. I'm Jessica Voss. And that's when I was like, I got to go. I don't know how, but that kicked off the pivot of how to make the transition. Learn how to get comfortable pivoting because your life is going to be full of them. Every episode gets real about the why behind these changes and gives you the inspiration and maybe the push to make your next pivot. Listen to these women and more

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I don't write songs. God write songs. I take dictation. I didn't even know you've been a pastor for over 10 years. I think culture is any space that you live in that develops you. On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell, Grammy-winning producer, pastor, and music executive to talk about the beats, the business, and the legacy behind some of the biggest names and gospel. R&B, and hip-hop. This is like watching Michael Jackson talk about thoroughly before it happened.

Was there a particular moment where you realize just how instrumental music culture was to shaping all of our global ecosystem? I was eight years old, and the Motown 25 special came on. And all the great Motown artists, Marvin, Stevie Wonder, Temptations, Diana Raw. From Mary Mary to Jennifer Hudson, we get into the soul of the music and the purpose that drives it. Listen to Culture Raises us on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Victoria F. I like Victoria F. I do too.

Yeah, she's also very pretty. So charming. I find her really relatable. I like how honest she was about how uncomfortable she was about the whole process. Oh, I know. Because it's such an uncomfortable process. It is. It's like, not normal.

No, you're just totally putting yourself out. there and you have no idea how you'll be portrayed in front of 8 million people, it's brutal. And also, I found it really hard to start conversations because you don't have like, you know when you're on a date in real life, you're like, oh, I could talk about the food. Oh, I could talk about like what I see on the wall. Like you literally could come up with anything, but there in The Bachelor Mansion, like, that's all you feel like you can refer to. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Stuff that's going on in the bubble. Right. No, but no, that's all in your head. I mean, you can come up. You can come up with anything. but it's super random like everything you come up is super random like so what's your favorite food

but you're not going to have food in front of you to lead you into that question no no it's just so tricky because what people don't understand what's so tricky about this is that the objective is to find your spouse and you have not only that but you have to find a way to seduce them initially there has to be an immediate almost romantic

or like intimate moments yeah exactly and it's very difficult to create those moments And you have to do that while there's a camera on you. I know. You don't get to practice beforehand. You don't, there's no in between time.

There's no small talk. You have no idea exactly. How long you're going to have. It could be like two minutes. It could be 10. Exactly. And during that time period, you have to somehow make this person interested in you romantically.

That's very difficult to do with a bunch of cameras around. Yeah. So I had, I liked, I liked Victoria a lot for being honest about this and how she says that she struggled. She has confidence issues that she struggles with often. She's shy with. eyes. Then I love that she was so open about that. And then she really bucked up and she rocked it on the runway. She was runner up or yeah, runner up on the runway challenge, the

Revolve Runway Challenge with Hannah Ann. And Hannah was, well, of course she won because she's an actual professional model. But I think that Victoria was super sexy. She impressed Peter. She definitely stood out, which is no question about it. Yeah, that's what she, that was her goal. She was like, I'm going to get my stuff together and I'm going to make him remember me. So anyway, I want to like her. I do like

her from what I've seen. However, spoilers and I will say this. Spoiler alert, you guys, 30 seconds. If you really don't want to know anything about these contestants from off the show, you can skip the next 30 seconds. But spoilers are saying that she has broken up friends marriages before.

Spoiler sites are saying that they have never gotten as many negative comments about a contestant before. So if she has been breaking up marriages in Virginia Beach, I would say that maybe this is an insecurity problem and that she's, you know, it's an insecurity problem. And I don't want to like deep dive too deep into her psyche, especially these are just rumors. But that's what's flowing around out there. And she did say on November 22nd on Instagram, it seems like.

that's the week that I think the show wrapped filming. She posted an Instagram saying that the rumors out there are false and there will be a time and place where I can defend myself, but for now, I choose to wait. So only time we'll tell. Yeah, yeah. We all saw how, you know, Jed's a good friend of mine, but we all saw that, we all saw how that happened with Jed. Yeah.

Anyway. Yeah. If it's the case and there's truth to the rumors, then I hope that, you know, it, she doesn't make his top two. Right. And you can make that whole complication again. Yeah, certainly. We have some honorable mentions about the episode that I just want to run down on this list of mine before I get to the most uncomfortable interview JPJ has ever had.

I seriously doubt that. I seriously doubt that this is nothing. This is an ABC affiliate, right? No, it's not. How uncomfortable could it be? We are not an ABC affiliate. Well, you said the S word and you were embarrassed to say that over the radio. So how bad could it actually be?

Trust me. That's awesome. Lay it on me, Ashley. Let's go. Honorable mentions real quick. I really like Natasha's realness in this episode. She's the oldest girl on the show, and I think it shows. Kelsey is a professional clotheer, and I can, I just want to say that she can clothe me

anytime she wants because that girl's outfits were amazing. Clothe me, Kelsey. I also found Redhead Lexi really cool. She had like a nice, authentic. flirty experience with him. It didn't seem like they were flirting on TV. It just seemed like really natural. Of course.

I really like that. And then Sydney got the group date rose after speaking about her strength for just not feeling in place, in the place that she grew up, which was Alabama. All right, John. My first question for you is, why didn't work out for you and Tasia, literally the week you moved out to California for her? Yeah, I just think that, you know, the, you know, the way in which we met was just sort of forced and, you know, I just think we both kind of realized that we weren't right for each other and, yeah, I'll leave it at that. But you were head over heels for her.

Yeah, I was certainly. What do you mean it was forced? The feelings weren't forced. You love her. Did you say I love you? I did. Okay. But, yeah, I just think, you know, the way in which you meet is pretty important because I just think there was a lot of pressure at the time.

And I think it was a lot for both of us to handle. And so I think we did the right thing by splitting October. All right. So you just weren't compatible in the real world, basically. I think so. Why doubt? What's the doubt? I don't know.

What happened was unfortunate. But you know what? She's so beautiful. She's so charismatic. I'm not worried about her. She's going to do great things. And it was probably the best thing to split when we did, honestly, because I think we just jumped into it too quickly.

Okay. Okay. Then why did you decide to move to California? Well, obviously that was a poll, right? My girlfriend at the time lived here. And I was lucky that after BIP, there was a talent agent that spotted me and started submitting me for work. Modeling? No, acting. Okay.

And what was it? I was working, so I was doing, you know, kind of the whole Instagram thing, you know, and I had a full-time job at the time. You know, it was really busy. You know, we were getting ready to close up a Q3 at the time. You know, I worked for a publicly credit. So you were working throughout. the airing of paradise. Yeah, yeah, it was, and that was a lot.

And, uh, but at the same time, uh, you know, what was in August, a talent agent, uh, you know, in Hollywood reached out to me and started submitting me for work and I had to fly out, you know, on Mondays to go audition for these things. You know, I get the call Friday, prepare a week, and then go in Monday and tell my boss, hey, look, uh, I'm sorry, but there's an opportunity I can't pass up. I'm not going to be here on Monday. And it just became, you know, too frequent that I was leaving work to go do this. And, uh, I'm not going to pass up an opportunity to, uh,

you know, go act for one of these, you know, exciting roles. You know, I studied acting in college. And so, you know, I have an understanding of the craft. But, you know, I have a much better appreciation and understanding for it after, you know, going through so many auditions. But I just wasn't, I think you'd be a fool to pass up, uh, some of the opportunities I've been given. Oh, yeah. I totally understand that. So, um, what were you getting beforehand? Was finance? Yeah, I was a financial analyst at a publicly traded education technology company. again like it was a lot like working the show going on kind of the back end of the show right it was a lot and I was you know I got to a point where I was a little bit overwhelmed but it wasn't fair to my

team and I was taking off so much work I took off two months you know a month for the bachelorette a month for paradise during filming and I went back to work you know immediately after filming so that was kind of rough I there was no buffer period in between like getting off the show and going back to work. Like, I, you know, I remember just being destroyed on the last day of paradise and then going into work the next day. It was just so brutal. But anyway, yeah, worked throughout the entire time. Did you have, have you had success with your audition so far? Any of them? Yeah. Do you have, do you give yourself a timeline to like pursue acting and then maybe go back to your regular life if nothing happens? Yeah, for sure. So I have a, I have a gig coming up in

February, got really lucky with something. I'm under contract. So, like, I can't really talk about it, but really, really excited and fortunate to have it. I just did a short film over the weekend. That was a lot of fun. And yeah, it totally caught me by surprise. You know, it was just, it was crazy. Never could have expected this. Cool.

Well, it sounds like you have a pretty busy life out here in Hollywood. Have you gone on a date since Tasia? You know what? I don't really talk about my personal life a lot. John, you don't come on the show if you don't talk about your personal life. I have. I've been on a few. Okay. How did you meet those ladies? So I met one of them through my cousin who lives in Santa Monica.

And I don't know, we just kind of looked at each other one night at the Victorian. And I didn't quite get to talk to her enough. But because she knew my cousin, somehow, I don't know, I was able to track her down via Instagram through the information that my cousin gave me. This is not me stalking her. And she knows this. So, yeah, I met her. just by sort of locking eyes when they at a bar and it's... And you started it out via Instagram DM? No, so I introduced myself to Red of the Victorian.

Yes, but that... And then you started conversing. Well, I couldn't ask her out. Why couldn't you ask her out? Because, I don't know, some... Somebody whisked her away and started talking to her. Oh, it sounds like the bachelor in Santa Monica. No.

I don't know. I don't know. Something happened that night. I think I was out with Connor Saly that night. and some of the other bachelor guys and for whatever reason fate took us to another location and I didn't get to finish that conversation

so you tracked her down yeah we got a tractor down we got coffee shortly there was it good it was great yeah are you still seeing her I've been travel I do I do I do I do I do for sure all right have you met anyone else

since breaking up with Tasia I hear and there Yeah, little, you know, little, little coffee dates and things of that nature come up, you know. Why coffee dates? I know this is a new thing. No, it's not a new thing. I guess it's not a new thing. But now people do coffee because it's like short and quick during the day and you don't take too much time out of your life.

Exactly. And I think it's the perfect buffer period between like getting to know someone and going on a date. I think if you just met someone and went to dinner the next day, that's, you know, there's a lot of expectation placed on that dinner because it's usually a very romantic setting. But coffee is just quick and it's a great way to, you know, kind of get to know somebody deeper and to assess whether or not, you know, you're, you're, compatible to an extent. I've got to ask, have you talk to anyone who slid into your DMs since the show?

Come on. You responded to pretty girls in your DMs. Yeah, like here and there, but it's just very cordial and friendly, like, oh, hey, thanks. You know, nice to meet you, that kind of thing. So you've never like met up with a girl who's DMV? No. You've never dated a fan? No. Okay. Yeah. All right.

You and Derek, let's imagine. Let's go back. time he wasn't good you called him you called him creepy manipulative towards women um and you know

you made fun of him having a podcast and you thought he was there for just the wrong reasons do you think in hindsight a lot of it was coming out of jealousy or you still stand behind like the fact no I just think I was so emotional during that time period and I was so

emotionally invested in Tasia and, you know, I was very sleep deprived and I just think I let that get the best of me. Again, like what you just said, I think that was pure emotion, you know, not really based in fact. And I was just, I think at the time I was just really annoyed that I didn't think he was taking his relationship with Demi seriously. Like it just didn't really, I think collectively, you know, the group thought like it just wasn't like a real thing, you know, it just kind of seemed like a fun thing. And I was very serious about Tasha.

And I think I was just kind of at the end of my road. at that point. I get it. I totally get it. If you and Derek found yourself in the same room today, how do you imagine it going down? Look, I think he's a really, he's a really talented guy.

I mean, he's the senior VP of a, like a FinTech startup. You know, I'd like to see him shake his hand and, you know, put the whole thing aside. I hope he's doing well. You know, he's a good dude. It's just unfortunate what happened. You know, I was just overly entranced

with this woman. Um, I just let my emotions get the best of me at the time. If you guys do find yourself in the same room, which you probably will because in this bachelor family, you, you tend to, right, to find yourself in the same places. Right. I want you to go up and say that to him. I want to know how he responds because we asked him the same question this past weekend on our live podcast.

Oh, wow. And he seemed like he, um, just would kind of pretend like you weren't there. Oh, hey. But I want you to try that. Yeah, sure. I mean, if I ever find myself in the same room, I'll say hi. Derek, if you're listening, I hope you're doing well, man. Didn't mean anything by the whole Bachelor in Paradise interaction.

You issued a public apology to Crystal and Chris after the whole scene at their wedding. Why did you make it a public apology? Why did you just get their number? Yeah, that's a good question. Because I think so many people run into the impression that I was intentionally trying to steal the attention from their wedding. And I just didn't even like consider the fact. that I was at a wedding at the time, because we were on TV, you know what I mean?

I think people's problem was that you didn't consider that it was at a wedding. I don't think people thought that you did it on purpose to get attention. No, again, completely blinded by my emotions at the time. Just my guard was down. You know, I would sleep deprived. I went for a mile swim that morning.

You went out in the current? I did, yeah. It's so dangerous. But it was fun. I was actually supposed to do a half Iron Man during Paradise. I was competing with one of my buddies. at work and so I wanted to stay in good shape in case you know he wanted to do one afterwards and so anyway I was point being completely exhausted guard was down you know the stakes were high in terms of

my feelings for this woman and I just let my emotions get the best of me would you say that bachelor experiences perhaps are not for you because you do kind of get too emotional in those moments yeah I mean look um I'm really grateful for the experience and I learned a lot in the process I didn't think I could find my breaking point on what I thought was a silly reality show at the time. But after having gone through the experience, I definitely have to, you know, think more deeply about ever doing it again. In September, you said that you would never do Paradise again. How do you feel a couple months removed?

Yeah, I think I'd really have to think about it. Okay. So you're not crossing it off. Right. Okay. I don't think you should cross it off. ever. Yeah, again, I think I'd really, I really, really like what I'm doing right now. And again, I think I'd really have to think about it.

I think that a lot of people would want to see you back. And I know, I don't know, but I am quite certain that you'll be getting a call from producers in a couple months to see if you're interested. Well, we'll cross that bridge when it gets there. Now that you've been a little bit more entrenched in post-batchelor life, do you feel like you understand and relate to the lifestyle? what Derek was talking about that day when you overheard him? Or do you still feel like what you overheard him hearing that day was inappropriate?

No, no, no, no. You know, I mean, I can relate to it to an extent because, you know, I mean, Bachelor Nation fans are amazing. But, you know, you're putting some weird situations and people, like, totally throw themselves at you. So, you know, I definitely can relate to it a little more. Gotcha. All right.

Good answers, John. We have a little game now before we go and interview Robbie Hayes and he gets the heat. man but before he gets the heat you're going to get more heat but now it's now with questions it's with hot sauce oh give me a break so everybody fell in love with you when you started when you started throwing up basically after having too much hot sauce has this always been a problem with you i just have a really sensitive stomach and at the time jane gave me those hot tacos i think i was just under the gun because i felt so uncomfortable being on the set of paradise and so i think it was little bit of my stomach sensitivity you know sort of mixed with drinking probably yeah exactly i didn't

really drink that much yeah i didn't really drink a little the two drink yeah it doesn't i know like we're just running around drunk all the time it's like you would be surprised we're just this foolish without it no it's just the emotions the stakes and the emotions are high that's all it is um but yeah no uh i just had a really sensitive stomach and it was really anxious at the time like james's a super nice girl she i think she's awesome but uh i was kind of thrown off by the fact that She wanted to eat tacos with me after, you know, kind of giving me the indicator that she wasn't interested. Right, right, right. Okay, so we're going to have you to have a bite of taco with Chulula on it.

And, you know, you could just make your, if you could make your reaction to it as vocal as possible. Would you like me to embellish? For our listening audience. Okay, that's a lot. Yeah, jealula first. I'm just going to eat one in front of you guys. Yeah, yeah. This is kind of a circus trick.

All right. Just in Casey barfs, we're holding two trash cans buying it. Cheers, I'm not going to be. This is Chalula. I mean, you can drink this stuff and be fine. Gosh. Hmm. It's a proper taco. Yeah, it's from Chipola.

It's a little spicy, but, oh, yeah. You like it, though. Yeah, yeah. It's not bad. Chalula. All right, you guys get what you wanted. Is that good? Yeah.

No, John takes well to Chalula. Are you not entertained? We are not entertained yet. So how do you feel about Saracha? Sorry, we just. just going through the different awesome? Yes, yes, we are.

Okay. Oh, there's a Habanera one, of course. Yeah. Who are you, people? You're supposed to go on the Wing Challenge show, what is it called?

Oh, God. What's the show? Hot wings, yeah. Mm-hmm. I would love to see you on Hot Wings. You wouldn't be able to speak, though. All right.

He's going to take a bite of the Saracha Taco. He enjoyed the Chulula. Interesting. Wow. Saracha in the mouth? Mm. Too much.

Not bad. Sweet. It's very. sweet tangy leaves you wanting to eat more of it. Do you have saracha in your fridge at home? I do. I feel like everybody has it. It's like a staple. It's like having mustard and ketchup. Exactly, except it's much more dynamic.

You can put it on anything. Pasta, you know. I agree. Macaroni and cheese. Yeah, and literally anything. Literally anything. Serracha's compatible with any food. I agree. Can kick up every food. It has great chemistry. The final

sauce you're going to have here on air is 1849. narrow. Are you ready? Oh gosh, you... Okay, that's good. Jeez, hell, you waterfalled that out. My gosh. Holy cow.

Man, all right. So far, J.B.J. Has tolerated the spice quite well. All right, last one. Just one bite. All right. I suppose you'd be amused if I puked after this. It would be.

It would be good. It would be good. content. Thank you. I'm not going to do it. Are you comfortable throwing up, though? It seemed like you were quite comfortable of throwing up on the show. Yeah, I was, I was. Like one moment, you're just having a conversation, the next moment you're about to throw

up. And for me, it's like a whole hour of being like, oh, my God, it's going to happen. It's going to happen. And I seg myself out. Just stick your finger down your throat. It's much better. Just get it over with. It's not bad.

Let's try. Didn't get me. I'm not going to puke today. Sorry, not sorry about it. Well, thanks for being a good sport. Of course. Thank you so much for having me. J.P.J.

J.P.J., the third. Thank you so much, Ashley. That was a great time. This is a great time. So now we're going to have Robbie Hayes and his new crew with Ciesca Key come on. And we'll wrap up the show. Well, terrific. Sounds great.

Thank you. But first, we're going to take a break. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly. and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.

This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate.

Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, We're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you.

Open your free Iheart radio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. Have you ever wished for a change but weren't sure how to make it? Maybe you felt stuck in a job, a place, or even a relationship. I'm Emily Tish Sussman and on she pivots, I dive into the inspiring pivots of women who have taken big leaps in their lives and careers. I'm Gretchen Whitmer, Jody Sweeten, Monica Penn, Elaine Welterah. I'm Jessica Voss.

And that's when I was like, I got to go. I don't know how, but that kicked off the pivot of how to make the transition. Learn how to get comfortable pivoting because your life is going to be full of them. Every episode gets real about the why behind these changes and gives you the inspiration and maybe the push to make your next pivot. Listen to these women and more on She Pivots, now on the Eye Heart. radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The U.S. Open is here.

And on my podcast, Good Game with Sarah Spain, I'm breaking down the players from rising stars to legends chasing history, the predictions, well, we see a first time winner, and the pressure. Billy Jean King says pressure is a privilege, you know. Plus, the stories and events off the court and, of course, the honey deuses, the signature cocktail of the U.S. Open. The U.S. Open has gotten to be a very fancy, wonderful. Fairfully experiential sporting event.

I mean, listen, the whole aim is to be accessible and inclusive for all tennis fans, whether you play tennis or not. Tennis is full of compelling stories of late. Have you heard about Icon Venus Williams' recent wild card bids? Or the young Canadian, Victoria Mboko, making a name for herself. How about Naomi Osaka getting back to form? To hear this and more, listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain, an Iheart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment

on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. I don't write songs. God write songs. I take dictation. I didn't even know you've been a pastor for over 10 years. I think culture is any space that you live in that develops you. On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell,

Grammy-winning producer, pastor, and music executive to talk about the beats, the business, and the legacy behind some of the biggest names in gospel, R&B, and hip-hop. This is like watching Michael Jackson talk about thoroughly before it happened. Was there a particular moment where you realize just how instrumental music culture was to shaping all of our global ecosystem? I was eight years old, and the Motown 25 special came on. And all the great Motown artists, Marvin, Stevie Wonder, Temptations, Diana Raw. From Mary Mary to Jennifer Hudson, we get into the soul of the music and the purpose that drives it. Listen to Culture Raises us on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

All right, we got Bachelor alum, Robbie Hayes, and two of the lovely ladies that join him on this season of Siesta Key. It's the third season, and it premiered the seventh? The seven. All right, so you guys, it's definitely not too late to catch up on the show and start watching it. If you like juicy dating reality TV, it's on MTV, and it's probably going to appeal to you. So, Robbie, we're going to start out with you since you are our bachelor. You know, you're our bachelor here. This is a Bachelor podcast.

Why did you choose a doocee as a key? You know, I was falling for a girl, and in doing that, she has a TV show that she's been, you know, kind of the lead role on for two seasons already. and that was coming about kind of right when we were kicking things off around stagecoach time and I said why not to go out there and do it. Who was this girl? Is she in the room with us? Juliet, ladies and gentlemen.

All right. This is Juliet Porter across the room from Robbie, which makes me wonder. I was placed here. Are you no longer falling in love with her? We are out of love. Oh, out of love, okay. Apparently.

And how did you guys meet initially? I started working with Kelsey. through my who's Kelsey Kelsey Owens Okay She's also on the show She is not here right now

She is not the other lady In the room Okay yeah act as if We all have never watched The show before Kelsey Owens Who's now Juliet's roommate Was a model

For my digital media agency And we went out to Thailand In January And then them two Kelsey and Juliet came out to stage coach Oh another stage coach drama Yeah

Seems like a lot of bachelor It was more like a It was more like a fairy tale Okay So you met there and like it was like love at first stage coach honeymoon phase started and just kept going so that's what encouraged you to go on another reality show how was it different than the bachelor as far as like production goes did you feel like did you did you feel like there was a difference since you being on

dating on one show and dating on another a big difference you know it's it's it's I got to be a part of something bigger and not bigger in the sense of a production capacity or ratings wise but bigger in the fact that I got to show my journey. Whereas when I was on the Bachelorette, I was a part of Jojo's journey to find love. So it's more like paradise? Uh, less, because that's still, you know, all you're seeing is going on dates and talking and trying to woo someone this. Like, they brought Rebella, my company into it so you get to see me work on a day or you get to see me do go on a date and try to fall in love. So there's more capacity to myself as far as a character that I get to show. Okay. So you're saying you're like the lead. You're like the main character. Hardly.

You're sitting next to Madison, Hosberg. Yes. You guys are sitting together. Does this mean that you're in love now? Shh, don't tell anyone now. I don't know. Tell me of this dynamic. No, actually, we barely interacted this season.

Yeah, but we came in with similar situations, you know, relationships that we're going to be an uphill kind. Let's be real. Madison did not like him. Yes. So I think we all, other than Juliet and Kelsey, were very skeptical of Robbie. It's no secret. This is his third, fourth reality show. Fourth.

Fourth. Thank you. So, yeah, we're like, is he here for the right reasons? You know, or is this just another opportunity to be on camera? Cloud chasing. Do you think that Robbie loves being on camera? Yeah, for sure. Why?

Would you admit that? I think if I loved it as much as you're saying, I would have, I'd be down there filming right now. That's true. All right. That's true. but I don't know I mean I think he's a businessman too this is an opportunity for him to bring

not just his love life his business to the forefront and who wouldn't take that opportunity I'm not blaming him but I'm also looking out for my friend Juliet who you know I want her to find a good relationship because in the past seasons it's been a little toxic and the business part of it was

was eye opening for me because I mean I mean, you know, like, former competitive swimmer, that's not my job title. Right. Nor was social media influencer. Yeah. So them being able to, like, actually, like, promote what I'm doing is life changing. Digital media. Marketing.

Explain that less vague. We put more eyes on brands products in hopes of a bigger ROI. Okay. That makes sense to me. You guys, you guys are, do you guys agree that he's the villain of the season? Like, the way that the teaser is making it look? um i don't agree he was a villain because he didn't do any villainous things towards me but he definitely had some questionable decisions that came about that made him look like a villain in the

eyes of others right and also look like this is he's coming in as like a new character we're already established we already have a fan base that like Madison and i have known each other since we were like 15 yeah where it's like Robbie's brand new so that new character is always going to be suspect. Right. Exactly. So yeah, it is easier for him to be disliked than people who are already, you know, also the show is like more in our point of view. And it is very much through the eyes of the girls on the show. Really? Yeah. So yeah. I agree that they did kind of make it look like I was coming in as a villain. But when you deal with a show with such high level drama like this, you know, you have to start off at one very drastic into the spectrum to surprise the viewers at the end with what it leads to. You you're not going to give them the answer in the first episode you're going to make them wonder is he really like this and then he'll do something to show oh good do you think he does show Robbie Roby gives off this very perfect persona which I think people think is fake Kendall I think that's what his rep has always been on the bachelor franchise yeah well he also is like that on siesta key and I think everyone else doesn't believe it they think it's very fake and they think that he's just using me or whatever they say but you know you'll have to see yeah so something that you found out juliet a couple weeks ago was that Robbie had a sex tape oh my god yeah what Robbie want to elaborate on that I mean what do you want to know I mean I don't really want to know anything but since we're on this topic

wait do you really have a sex tape with someone who's married she's not married and there's as far as I know no sex tape but there is there is a threat of one of coming out. Exactly. So to backtrack a bit, Todd Crisley, if you guys know from the Crisley's show, you may have had a little romance with his daughter, Lindsay, you and Josh Murray. Yes. There's been, okay, so are you confirming that there was a little romance?

Well, between her and I, yes, I can confirm that. Okay. But between Josh, I don't know. And was she married at the time? Is she still married? No, she was. Well, I guess, yes, she was still married, but she is going through the divorce papers and was finishing filling them out.

I think it was like, it was right around the week of when we started talking. Okay. And so you made a sex tape with her right away? This is, you guys, this is Juliet speaking to Robbie. Sorry. I'm like genuinely interested. I think you know how the sex tape came about. I actually, I don't remember.

Well, we didn't make one. Oh, you didn't make one. We were having consensual, alone, sexy time, and a puppy camera caught us in the living room. Like a furbo. Three months later, her best friend pulled the foot. because she got in a fight with her and was like hey I'm holding this over your head and then sold it to her dad okay okay fair so there's like a lot of intermingling of reality TV drama here but the sex tape is not something that we will see uh the unfold on CSA key no

no way okay but julia did that learning that turn you off from robbie even more my god we were already broken up when she learned it but like it made it worse gotcha all right well you guys Is there anything that you think you can say right now to a Bachelor viewing audience to get them to watch Siesta Key if they don't already? It's like The Bachelor in a very different setting. But if you like romance and breakups and heartbreak and people doing bad things, then watch Ciesti Key. The Bachelor alums love to date each other, right? So in our group, it's just like a smaller pool of so we're just dating each other. It's like, literally.

It's even more drama. Yeah, so it gets kind of... It's rough. Robbie, what do you... How do you feel? You know what? I didn't know that I could expect more drama than a season of The Bachelor, and we did it. Oh, yeah, we did it.

Yeah, we did it. My last question is, like, you guys just mentioned that there's, like, kind of a... Seas a Key family, like, the way there is a Bachelor family. Was it weird for you going from one reality TV family to another one, and is that what you think created some tension when you first entered the cast? I don't even think I'm, to this day, a part of the Ciesta Key family. I mean, and when we broke up, it was like, bye, got to go. I love the girls that I'm with. I love Kelsey.

I love Jake Garrett. It's just the other ones. There's not going to be a friendship there. It's pointless to try to dive into it. Okay. So you're done after the season? We'll see. Okay.

All right. Well, when can we watch C.S. Tuesday nights at 8 p.m. Eastern. Time on MTV. All right. Thank you. Robbie, Madison, and Juliette.

Thank you. Thank you so much for having us. Thanks for having us. All right. Well, next week's Bachelor episode looks juicy. You know, tears, tears, tears. The season long preview looks dramatic, of course. Most dramatic season ever.

I don't know. They haven't been teasing it like that. So possibly not. I have to say there's one little thing that we must discuss about the teaser before we leave sure you seem very enthused by that peter not only hears from chris harrison like this big breaking news but then after that moment we see him lying on a bed with like ice on his head talking about how he feels like he's going to faint do you think that has to do with the final rose i have no idea but you do i i don't again we've learned that peter

has a hard time saying no to people. Maybe everyone's coming after him and he's just having a hard time handling the rejection. Could be it. All right. Well, you guys, send your thoughts about what you think Chris Harrison tells him at that podium and what he possibly might faint over. Email your thoughts to Ben and Ashley at iHeartMedia.com. And of course, write up all your theories on the message boards.

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