The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Swear To Tell The Whole Truth, And Nothing But The Truth with Larsa Pippen

Episode Date: October 23, 2025

From the impact of friendship breakups, to whether size really matters to women, to considering being a single mom after divorce, Kelly Bensimon and Jennifer Fessler bring RHOM Larsa Pippen in to answer YOUR tough listener questions for her brutally honest take!Larsa opens up about what her experience with dating has been since having a high-profile divorce, and her thoughts on dating younger men. Plus, Larsa gives all the info on her dating app, perfect for people in their "I Do Part 2" era!Email us at: [e-mail] or call us at 844-4-I Do Pod (844-443-6763)Follow I Do, Part 2 on Instagram and TikTokSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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from Bloomberg News every weekday afternoon on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. it's i do part two and it's your celebrity mentors jennifer fessler and kelly fennsimon and today is exciting because we are bringing in another woman from the housewife universe you love her on real housewives of miami it's larsa pippin and we're also going to be taking listener questions we got a lot of unbelievable questions from you guys so here we go hey kelly did are both saying we've both met you. I met you very briefly at BravoCon, but it feels like you and I have been friends

for many years because I have been following you for a long time, girl. Oh my God. I feel like we have so much in common. Don't you feel like all the housewives have so much in common? Well, I was just doing some background on you and we're both from Illinois. You're from Chicago. I'm from Chicago. You went to University of Illinois, political science. My parents went to University of Illinois. So we have like so much, I always tell everyone. I was like, the housewives, they never get the love they deserve because, like, we all come from somewhere doing something incredible. I went to the same school, so I wonder if our dads were friends.

I'm sure they were. My dad is an engineer by trade, so he went there to become an engineer. We have a lot of other stuff in common because, obviously, we are all three of us on this particular podcast, which is about finding love again. so right after divorce after death yeah yeah and I guess and and and the journey the journey of that when I got divorced I thought it was going to be so easy to find someone did you guys think that at some point I wasn't at divorce actually I was separated for like a year and a half so it's sort of our part two I mean we separated and then we both had other significant others and then we ended up getting back

together but I wasn't out there I guess a year and a half but so I didn't I didn't really get there yet what about you Kyle well I was 37 and I and now it's like everyone's like that's so young but I was married so young that I felt like I was so old and out of touch and didn't know how to like I didn't know what I was doing and I felt very uncomfortable dating like really uncomfortable I felt like everyone was like a vulture I feel like all my single friends I have so many beautiful single friends that go on random dates and don't like anyone. Do you guys ever find, like, do you guys hear stories like that for your friends? Like they're established, they're beautiful, but then they'll do a few dates with guys, like random guys, and then nothing comes in it.

I feel like it's both. I feel like there's so many of these beautiful women from all these different ages who are looking for, you know, just a companion. And the men at the same time are like, I don't have a connection with them. All they want is this. All they want is this. All they want is that? And I'm like, wait a minute, all these people are available. I always feel like it's sometimes there's like the approach that the approach is off. So like I do tell my single friends, it's not, like if you get set up or if you meet someone on whatever app, like you're going into, assume it's not going to be a love connection. It's probably 90% not. So like take that pressure off. And if you're going to go meet someone, make it for coffee, don't make it for dinner. And if you're going to go

meet someone, think you're just meeting someone who is hopefully going to be a friend. You're not going into it thinking my life is about to change. You're going into it thinking it's almost a networking opportunity. It's not there for you. If it's not there for him, maybe he knows someone, maybe you know someone. But like, it's, I see a lot of my friends, they put themselves out there and they're like, oh, no, I'm not going to do it anymore. It's all, I hate it. It's all wrong. I hate whatever hinge or whatever the app is. It's gross. The guys are all gross. But I don't know, I feel like it's a numbers game. And so even if, you know, you go into it and it didn't work, who gives a shit? We need to share our Excel spreadsheet and be like, here's our Google Docs.

This is what we did. This is who we went out with. This is. Yeah. Right. So what have you learned about yourself going through divorce? You know, I feel like my relationship with my ex was not that bad. That's what I realized. I'm like, wow, that's interesting. Yeah, he's a really nice guy. I feel like I picked a really good guy to have kids with. My kids are gorgeous. They're like amazing. They're rock stars. I'm really happy that I chose him to have kids with. But when you really, I really thought it'd be much easier to meet someone that I would like after my first marriage. Just because I thought like, I think when you're married, people tend to want you more. Relationships, girlfriends, guys, they want you so much more because they can't have you.

That was one of the, one of the words advice that my single guy gave me. He's like, if you're in a relationship, you'll meet new people. And I'm like, well, if I'm so loyal, I could never be like looking around. No, you guys, it is, it's literally like, first of all, well, like the questions that we're going to go through today, right? So basically, like, the first one, why are men toxic? They love you one minute and are dropping you the next. I think men like things that shine.

Men want a trophy. Men want something that they cannot get. And once they get you, the lesson. Have you guys, do you guys ever hear of this book called The Rules? It's a, it's been around for a long time. You have, Cal? Lars, have you ever heard of it? No.

It was written, I don't know, 20-something years ago. And the women that wrote it, actually, I was, I am friends with and I worked for them for a little while. But it's all about how many women are different and men need the chase, period, full stop. Whether or not you like that or you think it's, you know, if you think that's morally okay. Like, it's just sort of what it is. And I actually do also believe that. I feel like, you know, women that are unavailable, not just married, right? Or just busy or nice, but not crazed after the first date.

And I always feel like that's usually when men exert more effort. They want what they can't have, what you guys are saying. But even with my own marriage, like Jeff was after me for a long time. And I was like, I don't think so. You are way too short and you are way, like, you know, whatever. You're going to be in the same situation you were years ago. I know, right? Exactly.

He's going to be like, yes, exactly right. You're in a good place? Just focus on all the good things that you have. going on, how great he is, how funny is, how smart he is. Oh, honey, believe me when I tell you, I wouldn't, I, Jeff Fessler couldn't lose me if he tried, okay? Oh, that's just the truth. I mean, I, he's my everything, but he's still short.

I mean, he knows it, I know it, but at the beginning, so he was chasing me. I didn't think it was, there was a spark and then there was, but I think it helped in terms of like him wanting what he thought he couldn't have, right? Yeah, of course. Guys always, guys want to feel good. And you know how guys judge each other is by the girl that you are with? That's how they judge you.

Like if you were with a gorgeous, smart, independent woman, they're like, he must have it going on. That's how guys judge each other based on who you're with. Yeah. Yeah, interesting. No, I think that's probably true. So what about from Katie, where she says that why do relationships rarely work out

if the woman makes more than the man? Am I doomed to be alone forever? Because I don't need a man financially. No. I don't think that that's a thing. That's not true. It's a thing for some people, but I think that, I don't know, I feel like it's more of what we're talking about. Like if the woman is, if the woman is a little bit hard to get, but also open and loving and the man is so attracted to her. I don't feel like that would be necessarily. You don't think men are intimidated by women who make money? Of course they are. But I also feel like it depends how the man makes you feel, right? Because if you're super independent and. you've got all these things, what's going to make you feel good? Someone that comes in to make you feel, you know what I mean? Like a guy that's there for you and your friend and your companion

and someone that's into the same things you're into. Larson, do you feel that being on Housewives living in Miami, do you feel like it's more difficult because a lot of these guys are like, you're so well-known, you're so connected in all these different universes, like I can never be the man that you want me to be? Do you feel like that happens to you? You know what? I think it's harder for guys to want to be with an NBA player or an athlete's ex-wife, more so than a housewife's ex-wife. Do you know what I'm saying?

Right. I feel like when you're an athlete, you're used to certain things. We have certain things that like it's hard for a lot of guys to come in and just be able and be comfortable in another, you know what I mean? Another size shoe. It's it's not that. Yeah. Expand on that a little bit. Like have guys not wanted to date you because of Scotty? Like they felt intimidated. no I don't think that I think that I think it's like hard for someone to come in and to take that person is so my ex is so big and my lifestyle was so big that I think I'm sure a lot of guys are like I remember when I was first divorced there were other basketball players and other athletes that were trying to talk to me and they were like you would never talk to me because I don't have as much money as your ex or you're used to private planes or you're used to this and so I'm sure it's in the back you have to be a confident man to come in and playhouse with someone that was married to a successful person before you, you know? If you're not comfortable in who you are and confident, then it would never work. But I think also, like, you're a very, first of all, you're super smart, you're Midwestern, so you have strong values, and you're just a very kind human. And so I think that that's also intimidating. They're probably expecting you to be like, let's go to Louis Vuitton on the first date, and you're not.

You're like saying these really thoughtful things, which I'm sure they're like, wait a minute, what? It's really interesting. I feel like the girls that give guys Christmas lists are the girls that don't end up with a successful guy. What do you mean? I'm saying like some of the girls here in Miami, like when they start dating a guy, they're like off the bat. And that's probably why relationships are so transactual these days. Because I have single friends now that meet a guy and they're like, you have to pay my mortgage or my rent. Oh, look.

Get the hell out of here. That's the mentality in Miami. Like, every girl, you're going to, you have to be taken care of. That is not the mentality, as far as I know, on the East Coast. Women are more like, honey, I don't need you, okay? I could pay my own effing mortgage. Well, it was interesting because, like, when I got divorced, I, you know, I was like, okay, I'm getting divorced.

My ex-husband, you know, who was living in L.A. and Paris at the time. And I, you know, switched gears immediately and went back to work and really, like, full on to make sure that my girls had absolutely. everything. And a lot of guys were very intimidated the fact that I was not like a victim to my circumstance. Like I'm like, I'm like, I'm really sorry that I can't be a victim, but I have children to educate. And. Oh, that's that's so. Thank you. But it was also like, it made me feel so guarded because I just didn't trust anyone. I just thought that they were like either trying to make me feel bad about the responsibilities that I had, or they were trying to make me

insecure that I was able to actually do things that I could do. And, you know, Housewise is a big part of that. I mean, if I hadn't done on Housewives, I don't know really what, I mean, that added a massive new revenue stream for me and opportunity that I don't even know, like, what I would have done at the time, honestly. Yeah, I don't, I feel like a younger woman, right, not a woman that we're due, where I do part two. Part one. part one I can almost see even my younger self sort of thinking that like are you going to take care of me right like I'm at the time 29 years old and I'm looking for a man who obviously is wonderful and kind and funny and all of that but also ambitious my grandmother always said

it doesn't have to be rich he has to be ambitious that matter but like this you know I feel like at this age I would not be trying to have a man pay my mortgage right off the bat as a matter fact, I would find that offensive. Like, I'm surprised it in Miami. What about men asking us to pay their mortgages? I feel like it depends on the relationship. You know, if you meet a guy that's successful and, you know, he wants to take care of you, why not?

It depends what you're into. You know, I feel like when I was before my ex-husband, the things I needed, I don't need any more, like you said. Julia, like, I feel like I'm, you know what I mean? I'm just, I'm like good way I am. Do you know what I mean? You know what you're power also. If he's paying your mortgage right off the bat, it just feels like.

like the power dynamic is from the beginning. Right. And you're just like on your left and your back foot all the time. Yeah. How do you get to know someone when you, you already need him? No, I totally understand what you're saying. But I feel like sometimes, I don't know,

it kind of feels good to have a guy take care of you. I love a guy to take care of. Oh, my God. I don't disagree with that. But I also have who Jen said about, I thought that was a really astute. Like, don't look for someone that has so much money. Look for someone who's ambitious.

Like, that is such, let me tell my kids that. because that is the truth. You want someone that, like, is a self-starter, wants to, you know, be a part of something. Like, that is just so. That's a work ethic, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's true.

I'm telling you, Nana, Bucky, push that into me from a very young age and my sister. And she also said to us, I say it to my kids all the time, specifically my daughter, but she's like, you are special. I didn't really get that from my parents as much. You are special. You have everything. You have, you come from a night.

family and you are smart and you I try to pump my daughter specifically up like I don't want her to feel like she's so I want her to feel worthy of anybody and everybody right and not feel like somebody has it over her in any way I mean money or looks or you know at least I try but my nana probably did better than I'm doing but anyway In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you. Don't let them down. Unlock elite gaming tech at Lenovo.com. Dominate every match with next-level speed,

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She decided to remain friends with my ex. Do you think the ending of a toxic relationship hurts more or less than when a romance, relationship ends. Also, what do you think about men that have a lot of female friends? I'm going to say I feel like it's harder when you lose a girlfriend. What do you guys think? Really, Larsa? Yeah. I feel like because since I'm single, like for me, I feel like relationships with guys are not like permanent, but I feel like a friendship with a girlfriend that knows every single thing about you that's your maid of honor. Like that that would be way harder for me than you know what I mean like my ex

like it's such an emotional attachment when it's your best friend doesn't your best friend know every single thing about you everything all your good bad ugly I mean I totally agree I think losing a best friend is I mean I've lost a couple of friends and I'm just like what is going on like I feel it makes me feel very like unsettled

where a guy it's like yes you feel bad there's love lost you have well you have to be a certain amount of secure for that, which, I mean, I'm thinking about myself when I was single, you know, a guy, I would have dumped at the time when I was, I'm talking about when I was a kid, you know, a kid, I would have dumped any girlfriend for a guy. It was just, I was looking for, you know, for a husband. I mean, you know, it's just what it was. And that was so important. Now I guess, thinking about it, listen, my husband, I really, I really don't want to lose him. But I feel like you're probably right.

Like now my friendships are so crucial. I mean, they are, you know. Like you, don't you need, I need my girlfriends. Like I rely on them. I need them. I love them. I nurture that relationship. I feel like if it's just a boyfriend, then it's like,

and normally when a relationship ends, it's because of the woman. So if I'm ready to get divorced, like, you know what I mean? It's like I would be way more heartbroken if I lost my girlfriend. and she still wants to have a relationship with my ex, like that would be like hard. I would be remiss to not at least bring up what I've been watching you go through this past season.

So very much like what we're discussing, you know? And but you know what makes it worse when she never had a relationship with him? They never hung out without me. They never, they were not friends ever. You know what I mean? They were together every time we were together. So it wasn't like they hung out.

We did, you know, trips together. together with him and her boyfriend, it was never that relationship. They probably had dinner. Like we probably as a couple had dinner with them, maybe five times, four times, five times. Crazy. Okay, for me, my personal experience, I think it is a red flag if a guy has too many girlfriends. I just feel like it's just not. I rather him be a boy's boy and hang out with his friends more so.

But if his girlfriends are always calling him, I don't know. I just feel like that. I don't know that many guys that may. straight guys with a lot of girlfriends. Yeah, I do. I know a lot of guys. They're like, these are my girlfriends. I'm like, Kelly, do you think that they're

with benefits or do you just friends? They're not just friends. They've slept with all of them. Yeah, I feel like that too. I mean, I dated a guy who like, these are my friends and then like every single one were like, we dated. And I was like, that's so nice for you.

I was like, oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I didn't have respect for him after that. You know what's funny, Jen? Because I feel like your opinion on a lot of these things it's going to be different than my opinion with Kelly because we're both like when I was married and I remember I had all these single friends and they would tell me stories and I'd be like I could

never I would never I just could not fathom living that lifestyle you know just because I was happily married I had all these kids and that once you become divorced I feel like you see things completely different I think that's probably true I mean my you know we are we are part two it's definitely a part two right like our marriage, the first part of marriage is way different than what it is right now. And my views, you know, in terms of what I'm looking for in life, I used to say when we were separated, we had no spark. I didn't feel a spark. Now I've said this poor, but like I redefine spark, right? Like, what does that mean for me? It doesn't mean that every time he walks in the door, I'm going to, you know, whatever, hang from the show. I don't care as much about that.

what I care about is peace and fun and companionship and respect and those things I just that's what I that's what my spark is today Jen Jeff absolutely adores you when you put that old when I was with you at that Dolce event and you put that dress on he was like we're taking that look at more than that he actually bought it which I've never seen Jeff by anything at that amount of money ever so he must have so sweet and it's not just about buying it a dress like the way that I mean I saw him the way he was looking at you it wasn't like that though before we separated that's the interesting part it really wasn't I mean shake up every now and then they need you to like do some crazy things to get them right because they forget they think

this is normal like every day the same thing like is very normal for men and they imagine even if they're in a toxic relationship men never leave they can be comfortable and you know a boring environment. Unless they find someone else, unless they find, yeah. But I feel like that you did whenever I hear stories of my girlfriends that are like, I'm bored in my relationship. You know, I've been with this guy for 15 years and I'm like, stay where you are, okay? Because these streets are not for the fate. These streets are not for everyone, okay? It's really challenging out there. And I suggest you work on your relationship. Find, you know, find something to get you going, you know. I say that too. I say that to my friends.

my friends are like, they're always like, I'm going to get divorced. I'm like, first of all, you don't even know what getting divorced means. It's a, it's not like, hey, I'm getting divorced. It's like, first of all, that contract is a crazy contract with all these financial aftermath that just makes people ugly and dirty. And it just deteriorates any kind of connection that you had. And number two, it is just like Larsa is saying, it is the wild west out there. And there are no rules.

There's no regulations. people are all over the place and people are lying and cheating and married and I mean I've just like I've been like trying to be open to a lot of new situations and I'm just like telly you got to younger guys yeah well Larsa I mean watching the show and I know that the show is the show right I'm not saying and we only see you know little segments of your life obviously but in watching the show I feel like there's always been you you've basically never had a problem meeting a man I mean obviously So you're beautiful and you're, you know, all of the things. But I feel like you have, where have you struggled to ever meeting one?

Because what I see, and again, that's just the show, is that you, men love you. Like, it's not, doesn't seem to be hard for you. I'm fun, babe. Jen, I'm fun. I'm just kidding. I know. I feel like I have very young energy. I feel like I like to go out.

I feel like, Kelly, you're the same way. Like, I feel like I like to go out and fun. I have good energy. And, you know, when you're positive, a lot of times people go through a divorce. And like we were talking about this, you become a victim. And nobody wants to be around negative people and people that feel like they're defeated and people feel like they've gotten a shorter end of the stick. I think nobody wants to be around you.

But if you leave a relationship and you're like, guess what? I'm going to be better. I'm going to have more. I'm going to get every single thing that I want. Then you attract that. Then that's what comes to you. You know, I don't really have problem meeting guys. And, you know, I kind of choose who I want to be with.

And it's funny because I feel like I've gone through different stages since I've been divorced on what I want. I wanted to date a guy that was really, really successful. I used to date a prince from Abu Dhabi. And, like, he showed me things I've never seen before. It was a whole different world for me, dating someone that, you know, like, traveled with his car on his plane. Never has, never saw that before. He just showed me things I've never seen before, you know. And I think that it's like when you see different things.

And then I'm like, okay, I'll take that off my bucket. list it was great it was fun but that's not it was going to be my partner what is it now that it didn't used to be like what are you looking for now that's different and now I know you have a very serious boyfriend now so what was it that was different than other guys you know I feel like when I was dating the guy from Dubai my kids were younger so it worked like I would go to Dubai and visit him he would come here and visit me like he didn't have to be with me all the time because I my kids were like my main priority everything was about my kids their basketball schedules or school schedule panel like I was like a full on crazy mom and so it was great having a boyfriend that lived

across the world because I would go see him for three weeks when scotty had our kids I would come back and then be on mom mode you know and vice versa and I feel like today my kids are older so now it's like I have more free time and the guy that I'm dating now that I you know and with now has more free time for me so we're literally best friends we do everything together like we work out together we make breakfast together. We do everything together. So I feel like what I have now is what I need today, you know, what I need now. But what else is different, different than the other guys. You know, I think he comes and, Kelly, you'd understand this. He comes from a very, like, normal family. Like, he comes to his dad as an engineer like my dad. His mom and dad are married for, you know,

50 years or 40-some years, like my parents. He just comes from a very cultured background. And I think like me being like Middle Eastern, I'm used to. certain things. Like, you know, like, if my dad calls and tells me to take a photo off IG, I'm taking it off. If he calls me with Larsa, that bikini picture, my dad goes, you published a photo, Larsa, take it down. And I'm like, oh, my God, hurry to take down the photo. My dad's going to kill me. I'm like, Kelly, you two are like that? Oh, yeah. Are you kidding me? When my dad was alive, he was like all over everything. That's so cute. And he would say, he would package things. Like, if he saw something or read something

that my mother had shown him, he would package it in a way that was trying to be positive, but he was basically like, don't ever do that again. Like, I will tell you. Like, are you thinking? Like, so...

And I feel like Jeff has the same family. They're like the same. I love that. They're very traditional. Like, he grew up having a mom and dad so he knows what it's like to have a successful relationship. I think it's hard when, like,

you come from a normal family and then you date someone that doesn't have that. My ex-husband came from a mom and dad that were happily married, And so we co-parented the same. We had a lot of similarities. And I think once I started dating guys that didn't have that, it's just different. They're used to different traumas.

Like, they're just used to different things that trigger them. You're always having to make them feel good. And you're always having to like. Well, that was me. I came from the traumatic background and the broken family. And Jeff, my husband, I mean, you couldn't have gotten a more normal. Like, yeah, like just like he grew up. There was never issues.

parents adored each other and was, but for me, it was a fucking nightmare. And but I think part of maybe why I was drawn to him and then maybe part of why we got separated, like I was drawn to him because of the, he was so solid. Then maybe my crazy snuck back in and I looked for crazy for a while and I looked for just because I've been, I'm so used to crazy. But yeah, I mean, this is actually turning in. This is not just about me. I'm in therapy now, you guys. I'm sorry. I don't mean to like, but I haven't really thought about it until this moment. Maybe that's like part of why we got separated. Things were too calm and I just wasn't used to it. And I was used to chaos, always growing up. Now I am very, very happy with calm, boring, peaceful. And by the way,

Larsa and I are in a very similar situation. I just started dating this guy recently since the summer. He's very much like how it was raised. His family's like my family. He's a great parent. his kids come first and so like I just feel very comfortable around him where a lot of guys before like I didn't like the way they parented their children or they the way they talked about their exes may be very uncomfortable and this guy doesn't do any of that yeah that's quite a flag that's really good that makes me feel good that makes me feel it's not it's not safe but it just makes me feel like calm like I am at a good place and I'm feeling good about about what I'm doing and everything else is like starting to do well as a result.

And I know I shouldn't like place like, you know, emphasis on my relationship and for everything else, but just me personally, I feel like I'm in a very good place with him. Love that. You can have craziness everywhere else, but I think if you have craziness at home, it disrupts everything else,

your work, your kids, you know, everything else. By the way, I already parent to two children. I don't want a parent anymore. I don't want to parent a man. It's not happening. So no, I hear you.

Trust me. I've been there, done that. I've tried it all you guys. Being single, I tried it all. And you know what I realized I really, I didn't have a good experience dating someone with kids. And it's crazy to say because I have four kids. But I think for me, like, I'm such like, you know, moms, like, we can do, we can multitask. We can do 10 things at the time.

But I think it's really hard for single dads to do that. They don't know how to, like, navigate work, kids, and a new relationship. I think that's a really. interesting point. I think a lot of women have a hard time. Specifically, I think, with picture dating a guy right now with young kids, you know, and your kids are, that's hard, right? Awful for the little boy. I felt awful. Oh, my, it was awful. Tell us, Kelly, so what was it like? No, it was just, it was very difficult because, you know, I have raised kids on my own and I love children. And so I had to be just to have a different way of being with kids and, you know, creating boundaries.

but also like Jen talks about like I like fuel children with love like tons and tons and love of love so they feel safe with me and I think it's a it's very strong when you they go back home and they're like I'm in this you know I have this new friend and she like wants to read with me and do all these things and the mom is like I'm too busy I'm going to read with you now or whatever it is that she's doing not to say that she's a bad parent but it's just like we're different because I'm not his full parent And so I think that, you know, it was very difficult for the kids. And I could see it.

It was awful. Did you also feel like you just didn't want to do it again? Like, you've done that young kid parenting. Like, I know for myself, I would not want to do that again, specifically with even any. I don't want to do it together with my own kids, much less someone else's. Like, I've done that. I've dated two guys that had children. And one of them, you know, had a beautiful daughter.

And like, we would run together and do all these things. and she was kind of really bonding with me, which is so nice, it made me feel so good. But then I'm like, this is not when I'm, I mean, it's one thing to bond, but I don't want to be replacing or I don't want the, I mean, I felt it was making me feel uncomfortable. I don't know how to explain it. Like, you know, I mean, not that I'm so great,

but I just love, I love kids. I do. I, like, I love their curiosity and I just want them to be happy. And regardless of what happens. I don't want to raise them again. I don't know. I love you guys. I literally was like, should I have another baby?

Are you serious? That's one of my biggest regrets, Larsa. I should have had more kids. Well, it's not too late. No way. I mean, not that, listen, I also, I obviously love kids, but absolutely not. I have done, been there, done that I've done my time. I loved every single minute of it.

And like all mothers, if it's me or them, it's them. Like, I will choose it. But I'm good. like I like not having to answer to anyone anymore. I'm enjoying it very much. You know, when I was on, when I, after I got divorced and then I went on housewives, I was like, I'm going to meet these great guys.

I'm going to be able to have another child. This is going to be unbelievable. And it was like we were talking about before. It was like, I'm like, what is going on? Who are these men? And why are they around me? I'm like, this is not who I want to have a child with. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you.

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I would do it. If I wanted to have a child, I would much rather have a child with someone that I loved that was a good person than a random boyfriend that, you know, it possibly could not work out. I would definitely use the embryos. What about you guys? I know a lot of women that do it. I think it's probably different for everyone. I don't know.

I don't know. I mean, I think that ideally I would want to raise children with a partner. It's just easier to have a partner. Not always, but I think in most situations, it's easier. But I don't know. That seems like such a personal individual decision. I don't know. I just know a lot of women who have, you know,

raise children on their own, whether they've adopted them, whether they have, you know, gone through, you know, different avenues to have babies. And they seem so happy. And, like, one of them is like this major, major, major woman in business. And she's like, I would never have been able to have a child if it weren't this way. So, like, that's amazing. Yeah. I don't think you ever regret it. I don't think you ever go, I wish I hadn't, right? Once you have a baby, there's only everything your heart opens up there's no matter how you have it would it have been nice to have had a partner to raise my children with you know my children were five and seven when they were in housewives and i was single like would it have been nice to have someone like nurture my children through that process

fortunately i had a great father but you know i didn't have i didn't have that opposite i was the mother and the father to them and it you know i'm i'm so grateful that my children are amazing but you know that is something that really is difficult for them. It's funny because when I was when I was going through my divorce and till today, it's funny because Scottie and I fight over the kids. He won't like he shows them so much love. I show them so much love and I tell my kids sometimes. It was like last Thanksgiving, Sophia was supposed to come to Miami and her dad was like,

no, I'm taking her to Arkansas to visit his family. And she was so upset and I'm like, it's okay, go to Arkansas with your dad. Like he loves you so much. He's so proud of it. He wants to take you to visit his family. But I was thinking like, I guess it's a good problem to have if both your parents are fighting for you and want you. That's like a good feeling, you know? Right.

I think that's so great. I love that you and Scotty are, it sounds like in such a good place. You know what I've learned to do, Jen? I just give, like I give him all the praises. I give him whatever he says I kind of just go with because I can live in a place of like term oil. And I could have done that like when we were going through our divorce. I could have been really, you know, I could have made his life help. And I didn't.

I chose not to. I was like, I'm not going to do that. Because once you start that cycle, I feel like it never ends. That's a great lesson. Like that's, I hope that our listeners, like, I say it again because I just think that's such a, I think it's so helpful to people go into divorce. Like, it's not going to help to, if you are, like, if you are kind, because I, when I was separated, I remember, like, we thought we were getting divorced.

And I was not, it was not going to be contentious. I was bound and determined to not have it be so ugly because I grew up with such ugly divorces. And as a result, I did kind of what you did, Larson. Like my daughter would call and she'd be like, Daddy's doing this. And I was like, you're calling me to complain about Jeff Fessler. Honey, you got the wrong number.

You know how lucky you are, but that kind of thing that made such a difference to him. And conversely, you know, it just, I think that's such good advice. Like what you did, I think is beautiful thing. I mean, it's honestly, it's a conscious effort. You know, I could have, all my friends, I remember I was filming housewives and I was like crying because I was like, oh, my God, Sophia's, I'm not going to be with Sophia for Thanksgiving. Like, I was really like heartbroken about that.

And I could have called my lawyers. I could have called him and went crazy on him like, why are you doing this? Why won't you let her, you know, be with me? And I just thought it's, it's not going to win anything. She's with her death. She's happy. She's not happy right now, but she will be happy. she gets around all her cousins and I just have to always take the high road and I feel like

that's the only thing that's worked from my sanity my kids they're like amazing they're they're great because I never complain about their dad their dad could do anything to me and I will never talk about him I will never put in a bad fight I you know I was married to an NBA player you guys you can only imagine how crazy my life was but I've never ever bashed him I've never you know said negative things about him in the press or at home or amongst my people and I think that's like how you're supposed to handle a divorce because if you do bash your ex on social media, your kids will see that. And you know what I mean?

It's just toxic for everyone. And then he resents your kids because they're, you know, kind of have their moms back. It's just not a good playing feel for anyone. So I've always like had a conscious effort to, you know, whatever he does. I'm like, okay, thanks. Love you. Like I hope you're good. He can do the worst things to me, you guys.

I literally, I'm like, okay, I hope you have a great day, love you. Oh, you know. Ellie, I feel like you know last year X either. No, I never do. I mean, listen, he shot Playboy for me. I mean, he shot a couple covers for me. And I always have him do everything for me that has to do with any photography. And I would never do that because I don't want my girls to feel like insecure about their dad.

That just doesn't, it just, it's a lose, lose. You're just not, you know what I mean? A lot of women do that. And I don't, they rather play victim and bash their ex. And I'm like, it's just so toxic and it will never end. You know, it's just like a cycle of he did this. He did that. And it's like at the end of the day, you know, well, just make peace.

Whatever it is, make peace and keep it and safe. Love that. And a therapist once told me that you gravitate towards your, like your father or men gravitate towards their mother. So however that, whatever that relationship was. like that's what you, that's where you find like safety. So like we were talking about that before, Jen, how you were like, you had, you know, some bad things tomorrow and your past. So that's where you felt that that was your safe zone. And so for women, like we, you know, I had a great, strong

academic father. I feel safe in that kind of powerful human. I don't feel safe in the, you know, wild, loose. Like, that doesn't make me feel safe. I like to know where I stand. I feel like I don't want to get in a pool unless I know the temperature, unless I know what's in there. Like, I'm not going swimming unless I know what I'm signing up for. Smart girl. Okay, so you guys want to hear this.

This reminds me of one of my best friends, you guys. I'm friends with this girl and she was dating this guy. So wait, let me read this story. Let me read this question that CJ has for us. Been living the bachelor life since divorce, but most of the women I date don't last longer than a month. I'm on the shorter side, and yeah, that's not big either. Does size really matter to women?

That's my question. That was written for me. So when I was single, again, 10 million years ago, I was my only absolute was that he'd be taller than me. And when I got fixed up on dates, I would say I'm not going out. I don't care. He doesn't have to be so handsome. He doesn't have to be so wealthy.

He just has to be tall. Jeff is five, six. I think that it's very interesting. And I did that. But, you know, now I watch this guy, this professor from NYU, he does a lot of talking about younger boys and girls and how, because so much that is social media, you see that, like, a lot of times the girls will swipe,

I don't know which is the bad one, left or right, but swipe one way if the guy is, if the boy is not tall, right? Or the thing, that's why it's so, like, like I would say to young people, you have to go out and meet people because maybe you meet this short guy and he's got this unbelievably personality. And he looks at you in the eye,

if he can meet your, whatever. And you, whatever, and there's just baromones and chemistry. I think that, like, part of that is being out in the world, right? And, you know, I think online that's hard. I do think a lot of, a lot of girls look for tall. I mean, I always felt like a big girl also. So I wanted a guy to make me feel like a more sort of smaller, feminine, whatever it was.

First of all, you're not a big girl. You're tiny and perfect. Ellie. I mean, I was, I always was. I was always very, would go through, like, really heavy periods, like, you know, being. So I always, you did too, Larsa? Yeah, yeah. Really?

You know what's really interesting? I feel like what you, like, for instance, not that you're ever going to get divorced, Jen, but if you were ever to get divorced, you'd probably look for a short guy. I think you're used to, I have a girlfriend that literally only dates shorter men. And that's really, she wear heels. Yeah, she's like 5'5 with heels. She's like 5.8. And she only dates guys that are literally like short.

And I was like, why do you only like short guys? And she's like, I think I'm just used to shorter men. So I do think it's good to, you know, keep. your options open you understand tall men is like it's less than like it's like one percent of the population you guys right and you've dated all of them lady i dated all of i'll take you know i think i like what i'm used to you know i'm supposed six eight so i'm used to tall guys my kids are all tall so right and i don't want to get a ladder when i want to reach up to the cabinet i'll just call job for my kids and be like can you get that at the top no you definitely could be right maybe

i would be drawn like that when you're a date when you have like when you've spent a lot of time I'm with someone. You just gravitate toward the same thing. It's really weird. It's really weird. I would want, firstly, I'd gravitate towards. Nice.

Nice. I would want them nice. My husband is nice. And I know that sounds very trite, but I would want, I be very much on the lookout. And smart. And nice and smart.

Yes. I love his Jen Fessler. Yes, that's a good advice. I feel like you give really good advice. Do? That's a nice thing to say. Do, Jen. Always.

Jen is like very real. Thank you. Okay. All right. Anyway, moving away. You care. You don't just, like, give advice that makes you sound good. You give advice that's real.

You do. Well, I mean, I'd love to go keep going with this, but maybe we should do. Let's do another question. Like more about me, more about me, me, me, me, me, me. Wait, let's go to Olivia. She's seeing two guys right now. And her eye do part two. She's decided to date more, more, she's decided to date more like men do.

but things are starting to get serious with both of them and she likes them for two different reasons I know I can't see them both forever how should I figure out which one I should keep and which one I should break up with I would say whoever you sleep better with at night

sleep sleep or sleep sleep like zes like I feel like anytime I was in a relationship that was good I would sleep like a baby and anytime I was dating someone where I couldn't sleep all night night and I just had all these like like weird thoughts in my mind like even though he was a great guy but I just had these like things that would go in the back of my mind I'm like no I don't trust him there's something behind him I don't trust even though he's giving me all this stuff

like no so I think whoever you sleep with the best I've dated guys you guys where I could not sleep at all and I was like that's my body and God talking to me telling he's not the guy right so I would break up with guys because I couldn't sleep next to him I'm like I can't be with this guy I don't sleep. So like you weren't, you weren't comfortable. You weren't, you couldn't feel like you could relax. Yeah. Or like anyone like gives you anxiety. Like if they don't call you back, it gives you anxiety. I feel like those kind of, some people are like, oh my God, that's a serotonin, like lift. I'm like, that is not a serotonin lift. That is a do not text, be with that person. That your body is saying there's too much that there's too much attached to that phone call.

You need to speak with someone that makes you feel good about yourself. Like you're saying sleep, feel good about yourself, like you want to be better. Like, I just, I mean, I want to be in a relationship where I feel better. I don't want to be in a relationship or my back foot. I've been in that all my life. Or you can always flip a coin. I do that a lot too, you guys. I'm like, sure I'm up with him this week or next?

Share I break up with him this week or next. I'll flip a coin. I'm like, no, this week. Okay, we're moving on. Well, I also think you don't have to make that choice until you have to make that choice. Like, I don't know if, you know, unless there's, you know, unless there. a ring on your finger or this, you know, push for exclusivity, why can't you keep dating them both? Like, as long as they know, though, I don't think it's fair. I don't think it's fair to be in

two different, two relationships if you haven't said to them, like, we're not committing, because that's just not fair. That's like leading two people on. And, you know, that just is like that you're never, you're never going to sleep well at night because you're not doing like nice things. Like that's just, that's fair. What about you, Larson? Interesting. I feel like it's hard to get to know someone unless you spend a lot of time with them and invest in them and they invest in you, right? So that's one person, right?

But in today's world, I feel like people like you more if you're unavailable. So if you are dating two people, they both probably like you because you're unavailable. Busy. You're very busy. It's kind of crazy, but it's kind of, it's working out for her with these two guys because she doesn't have as much time.

She's juggling two guys. right but then at the same time it's like you have to really get to you know invest in one person so dating is hard in 2025 you have to navigate each relationship like different i think each relationship each relationship is like unique and different and you have to handle it and take an approach that's like just made for that one relationship you know oh my god i see a question it's like glaring at me it's from Cheryl she's saying going into my second marriage and i'm set on having a pre-knit this time my fiance is hesitant that the pre-nup will ruin the finances, possibly of his kids from his first marriage. How do I make him see my side of things? I'm a big pre-up fan.

Yeah, I feel like I am too. It's better to understand what you're signing up for. And I think instead of fighting each other and whatever it is, I think you have to go into a relationship once you've committed to each other, like you're going to get remarried, then you know exactly what it is, you know? Yeah, I mean, first time around, maybe you, like, now you've been, you've seen that even though you go into something forever, it doesn't always end up being forever. So now you're on your second time around, specifically, I don't know, I don't know, I would tell any one of my friends. I mean, unless you're already locked up, like, this is in trust or whatever, like, that's totally different. But I think it's, I definitely think it's a good thing to do.

Hell, you had the whole issue with this in your last relationship. It's bad. That's a good thing. I think it's a contract. You know what you're getting out of the situation, best case, worst case. Like, I just, I hate the unknown. You know, you don't know what it is. It's much better put in writing and you understand what you're signing up for.

I tell my kids this. Like my son's in the MBA. I'm like, I don't know when you're going to get married, but when you do, you're definitely going to have a pre-nup, right? Yes, of course. I hear you. This question is really. I'm just loving it, but you guys can answer it. Started seeing a man who's 63.

And when we got to the point where we were sharing kinks and what we like, he told me he likes watching porn daily. That feels like cheating to me. Am I wrong? Go. I think it's definitely cheating. I would feel jealous. I just know my personality.

Like, Kelly, you're the same. It sounds like, right? Like, I'm not, I'm not cool with that because you're cheating on me. someone else is making you feel good and it's not me so you're not my guy i would be so jealous all right i honestly i wouldn't i'm not i don't know i know i mean that's it's like feels like i'm giving out a lot of information but i mean i just i don't know that doesn't maybe because i've watched i i want not any i'm 57 years old watching corn every now and then it's different but i'm saying if you're watching it every single day he's got a full-on relationship

with this girl even though it's in his mind yeah i think it's a problem to watch porn everyday period yes i agree with you that's it's getting it's a little weird but i don't really like if i think that my man is upstairs in the bathroom and he's on the moment it doesn't bother me that would not bother me but but you know i know it does bother a lot of women yeah i don't know why it doesn't i don't know why it doesn't bother me i don't know i also because like do you guys watch porn no i mean i have in the past some but i'm not like a porn watcher yeah so hannah said at long john on divorce is finally settled i'm having a divorce party next month what should my ride or die friends and i do to celebrate cal i feel like you'd be good at this one um i think your ride or die girlfriend

should do something that just like that's like brings you together like we were talking about before Like, I feel like female friendships are so important. And so something that's like a celebration of the friendship, I think, is like the best thing to do. I don't think like parties with like, you know, blow up penises or something like that. Like, I mean, that's not, but just like things that really make the group bond is something that like I would want to do. Like go to Paris and have croissants. 1,000% right? I'm available.

Let's go. I'm like, that's what makes me want to, you know what I mean? have a party with or without a man, like, go skiing with your girlfriend. I just think the idea of having a party after, because you're getting divorced, is so healthy as opposed to, like, sinking into, I'm divorced and I got divorced. I mean, you're going to go through that, obviously. But I think, like, celebrating this new chapter with your girlfriends, I think that's such a great idea.

And, like, being, like, having them be a part of it. I think, like, we were talking about before about, like, friendships, and I feel like some female friendships get really intimidated by, at this stage of our life, like, if you're with someone else, then they're like, you're never going to be available anymore because you're always going to be with X or Y. And so if you can do something where you, like, bond and you have this moment, then, you know, you always have something to remember, you know? Like Paris is always a good idea, Larsa. Right? relies on you. Don't let them down. Unlock elite gaming tech at Lenovo.com. Dominate every

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that's how long ago there was but if you asked me like if I go through it with my daughter or my son, like, and there, not that my son doesn't share shit with me about this stuff, but like my daughter and, or what she's looking at, I guess the kind of corny, hokey answer is, you want your profile to represent the best of you, but not, not something made up and, or something fabricated. Like, here's who I am. You're saying you should be authentic, whatever you're authentic. And take it to be authentic. I think you could also, you know, talk about the best parts of you or show the best pictures

of you. And, you know, also, I don't know, if I'm. looking on someone's profile, and it's, I feel like it's honest. And it said, it says, let's say it says, I don't know, I've struggled with something. Like, I like, I like the idea of showing a little bit of vulnerability. But you guys, no, you weigh in now. You tell me. If I see a guy that says I struggled with anything, I'm running, I'm like, I don't need a nut job. No, thanks. Fair enough. I, you know what's funny? Because I, I started an dating app called date.com. You did?

yeah so I look at a lot of dating apps I researched a lot of dating apps before and I feel like I don't like when guys take selfies like to me when I look at the dating apps I'm like I don't like the selfies like I think it's cooler when guys show their family their friends it's more like chill not so formal like not so much with the selfies or the picture in front of the car like that to me just oozes like I 100% agree with that like if you're like you know if you're playing tennis with your friends if you're on a boat with your friends like that to me he's like oh he's got a lot of people that like him okay so he's a good person he knows people yeah them too because i'm like oh he's he's okay but his friends are really cute but i think you're just posting photos of yourself selfies it just gives me like the ick like i don't nothing short list nothing at the gym yeah no baseball caps no sunglasses like i agree with larsa too like maybe just like how your parents your siblings or your kids or stuff like that i'm like oh, he's so cute. He has like a normal family.

Like, you know, like that's kind of cute. Like a real life, real photos. You know what you were talking about, Jen? Like, I struggle with depression. I don't mean, yeah, no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't want any of that. Only because I feel like all of the profiles are so, you know, you're, they don't always feel authentic.

And so when I say struggle, I definitely don't mean like, well, right now I'm struggling to get off heroin. Like, that's probably not going to get your own dates. Right. But more like, you know, I don't know. I've struggled I'm trying to think of like I've struggled with

I've struggled with binding relationships that are Who's putting that in a profile? Maybe not. Lars, I interviewed a girl who was recently divorced and she actually did a really good job at being like very authentic to who she was. The things she likes, the things that she likes to do,

she was very positive and her profile like just seemed so real. And I think that that's, one thing that people are like, what should I say? Should I, you know, like, I feel like, yes is always more. Just be like, I love my friends and family, you know, whatever. Like, Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday, whatever it is. But I think that, like, trying to lure someone in with some kind of tagline or something,

I think is really like a no-no zone. What about like, what if they said, like, struggle with staying home? I struggle with, like, I'm always feeling like I have to be on the go. or but I don't know I think what I'm getting at you're probably right I probably would see the word struggle maybe I would run for the hills

but I'm looking for authentic like everybody's got their shit you guys it's called bio baiting what's that when you do that in your bio bio baiting it's when they make their bio too good

they have someone out of writing is that what you're saying yeah like their bio is like too much information about them so that they can lure you in so you're like wow this person is so

great. I mean, it, like, you know, Jen was saying, too, like, at the beginning, like, how, you know, go out and meet people, because you never know who that's going to be, what they're going to be like, and their idiosyncrasies to you may be super charming and to someone else, they mean, maybe the ick. But, like, you don't know. But if someone's giving you this, like, you know, Daniel Steele novel of their bio, I mean, like how, it's, like, difficult to be like, oh, you're like, oh, my God, this guy's perfect. I love that you said Daniel Steele. Did you know who that is, Larsa? I don't know how old you are. You look very young. I know how old Kelly is because we're about the same. Do you know what Danielle Steele is? Yes, yes. Yeah, she's the iconic romance novelist of all time. Of all time. So, yeah, no bio-baiting.

Just, I think that just being like authentic. I mean, Larsa, you're the, I love that you have this dating app. So tell us, tell us, like, give us three things that you think resonate on a bio for a dating app. Like I, you know, like Jen said, I think someone being authentic, I think just sharing what you're looking for and sharing, you know, where you are in life. I feel like a lot of people on dating apps are looking for specific things. There's some people just looking to hook up. There's some people just want a partner.

And then there's some people looking for a long-term commitment, you know, marriage, stuff like that. So I think just being authentic as to what you want in a relationship, what you're looking for, you know? I don't like the mixed signal thing. Like I'm not good with that. I like people to, if you don't know what you want, I'm not going to know what you want. So it's like, just figure out what you want before you get on dating apps and what you're looking for.

And then go on dates. com. It is basically powered by AI. It eliminates getting catfished. You have to use the camera from the actual app to upload your profile picture. You can't use a photo that's overly edited. That's brilliant. Yeah.

And then you can text a group with people for, like if you're talking to five guys just getting to know, then you can send five guys a same message. Like, hey, guys, what are your plans this weekend? You can send multiple messages. You can FaceTime and video call from the actual app. So a lot of times people go on dating apps and then they're like, oh, let's take this, let me call you or let me text you. And it's like, I'm still getting to know you.

I don't know if I want you to have my phone number. Right. You know chat and get to know each other on the actual app. And date time doesn't sell your personal information. We don't even have your personal information. For instance, Jen, you could be Gen 6969. You know, like, you know, it's not any personal. You don't have to call the whole name.

That's actually who I am. Yes, it actually is. That would be my name on a dating app. You don't have to get all your personal information. You can go on there and see if you like anyone. I literally just sent all these screenshots to my girlfriends because they're on date.com. But they hadn't been on in a couple weeks. And I'm like, oh, my God, this guy's so hot.

You have to message him. Oh, my God. And I was screenshotting and sending them all these guys. I was like, these guys are like, finance. guys, they're cute, they're young, and go on the app. Yeah, love that. Date.com. Date.com.

Okay, so she's been divorced twice and had a short engagement that almost flopped. I'm over, I'm kind of over guys my own age, and I think I should try dating 10 years younger. What's the good and the bad I should expect? Okay, so for me, I think dating someone younger is more fun. I think that when you're young, when you're dating a younger guy, they don't have all the baggage that the older guys have. The older guys are like kind of grumpier. I think as guys get older, they kind of get settled in their ways. And they like things done the same way every single day.

You know, that's my personal experience. But I think if you get a younger guy, they're more open to doing different things. They'll make you feel younger. You're like playing video games. Like you guys, I have a video game set sitting here because my boyfriend plays video games. Okay. So, you know, I think it's definitely more fun dating a younger guy for sure. So that's the positive. The negative is you have to go through all the things you've learned in your 30s and 40s all over again. So you're kind of reliving all your 30s and 40s with this person. And

they don't have as much experience as you when it comes down to all the bad things that you've experienced. So I'm constantly when I'm dealing with my boyfriend, I'm like, and he tells me something. I'm like, you better put it in writing. You better. you know, I feel like I'm always because I've been burned because I have years over him that I feel like I have to, you know, kind of go through these things with him. He trusts everyone and I'm in a place in my life where I've been burned. So I don't trust everyone that I do business with. I'm like, it could go bad. It could go left. And so there's like a learning curve that you have to help with. Yeah. I would only date older if I was single. Oh, you wouldn't. No,

you wouldn't. I would. You're saying about the guys being grumpy and not wanting, I'm grumpy. I want to sit around. Don't try to get me to do new things. I want to sit around. I want to watch movies. I want to like, you know, laugh. I don't want any guy. I'm not interested in going on your motorcycle or I don't want to get out of here. I want the guy who's old, who will sit next to me because I'm old and leave me alone. I do not want that. I am. I am. I am. I My sister sent me a picture. My sister's 10 years younger than me. She sent me a picture of a guy that she ran into because my sister still lives in Chicago where we grew up. And she sent me a picture of a guy that she went high school with. And I promise you, this guy looked like he was 30 years older than us. And I was like men sometimes age worse than women.

We're in a group of women. Like our group of women take care of ourselves. We look good. We look younger, you know? And it's hard to date someone that does not take care of themselves like that. An older guy. Agreed. I always dated older.

I always wanted. I did too. Jen, I did too. When I was, you know, 22, I married a guy 10 years older. I was dated guys that were older. But then when you hit a certain age, you gravitate toward energy and where you are. And I feel like my energy is really young and I attract young because I'm ready to do whatever, go wherever. Like I like to have fun.

I like to plan things. And I just feel like I gravitate toward younger and younger tends to gravitate. take toward me and see it what about you cal you know i've dated so many different ages my ex-husband was so much older than i was i got married when i was very young and then i dated a guy that was young to a couple of guys that were younger than me and i i understand what lars is saying like i do love because i have a young spirit as well um i think i have like arrested out of the lessons honestly like i think it's like i'm like caught in like that's good that way that's good Yeah, you know what, I like the way that I am.

But a lot of people are like, oh, my God, you're so mature. I'm like, I'm actually not immature. I just like to have a good time, and I'm just very positive. So I like being around, but I feel like there's no age to that. And I feel like I've dated guys that are younger that are old souls. I feel like I've dated guys that are older, you know, that are very young. I, you know, it's like, it's really, it depends on the actual person. But I don't want to teach someone something.

I don't want to say, like, you know, get that in writing. I don't want to do that. I want them to say, get that in writing. You're saying you want them to teach you. I want to learn. Yes, I'm a curious person. Learn more. I just think that when you date younger guys, you're a little bit more, you know,

jaded as you get older. Like you're, you've seen, you know, situations that, like, when you're younger, like, if I were to tell my younger self, like, the things I thought I knew it at 30 and what I know today is definitely different, you know, it's definitely different. It's just so funny because, like, my kids, like when I say to my kids, it's 25 and 27, and I'm like, oh, you know, he's just a couple years younger. My daughter is like, oh, my God, she's so young. Or I'll be like, he's just a couple years older than you.

He's 30. And my daughter's like, what? He's so old. I'm like, oh, my God. They're like so weird about age where I guess, you know, like, we are like more open to like different ages. I mean, clearly I've married to like someone so much older. So I used to take the guy that was my age, you guys, and he was so immature.

And I was like, when I broke up with him, I was like, you know what? There was a reason why I dated you. And it was literally to prove that age is nothing but a number. You are so immature that, like, I'm good. I would not like that at any age. I can't stand immaturity. But I'm telling you, I am, I like to move now at a slow pace. And I make no apologies for it.

I don't want to skydive. I'm not interested in. No one's skydiving. Like, no one's getting on a motorcycle. No one's skydiving. It's just like fun dinners. I like fun dinners. You know what's interesting?

Husband, Madam, he would love him because all my friends that have husbands that are older, I feel like I have younger friends and then I have older friends and kind of that person. But when I bring my boyfriend at dinners with my friends who have older husbands, they are obsessed with Jeff. They're obsessed with him. They love him. They like, they have great conversations and it works out. No, no doubt because Jeff is probably a wonderful, warm, kind, smart.

man so younger older that is you know definitely what I'm picturing I don't know listen maybe I just I am old beyond my years I think I'm 80 really ready to go like I look at assisted living places and I think what's so bad I could totally do that I could get go out in my little apartment go downstairs and the meal is ready and go to happy with the old people I mean my sister my sister was like oh my god you realize we're gonna be like 80 and X amount of years I'm like well you shut the hell up like it's always like you know when we get older and our kids come over our house with their kids I'm like shut the fuck up who wants to hear this like my kids are not

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