The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Taking Things for Grant-ed with Julianna Pasquarosa

Episode Date: December 22, 2025

Ben and Ashley are ready to get the full story of what happened with Grant from the woman at the center of it all: Julianna Pasquarosa. She spills everything about their relationship post The Bachelor and what he was like when the cameras were off.Plus, find out what shocking thing Grant did with Julianna AFTER they broke up!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's almost famous podcast today. We are here with you bringing you some very, very, I'm actually, Ashley, very excited to talk to this person because we're always excited to talk to somebody new, but there's people that have captivated us, people that I just want to know what they know. That's what that is. This one, I just need to know what she was in her brain. I don't know if we'll get there, but we've had Latia, Carolina, and Grant from the most recent season on. You can go back and listen to those episodes.

I'll tell you, they're interesting. Yes. All of them are interesting in their own ways. Some funny, some off the wall, some serious, and somewhat confusing. And today, it's like we're getting the final piece of this puzzle. Yes. Our guest today is, of course, the woman that Grant chose. Lucky her.

We're talking about Juliana. Juliana, welcome to the podcast. Thanks for having me, guys. Juliana, welcome to the podcast that Rose Grant all the time. I'm sure we're not unique in that, and we are sorry. Ben was the one who did the interview with him about a month ago. And I was, I was, and he was supposed to come on a couple weeks ago, like a week or so ago. And he didn't show.

Didn't show. So leave that to your imagination. I think he didn't want to talk to me. I've been hard. And if you can't face the critics, you can't see what to do, maybe. gotta take it love or hate oh my gosh juliana you were on recently with joe and serena yeah and there was a lingering question that i certainly had after that and that was um what happened with the the um hotel fight that you guys had after after the final rose how did it get reconciled yeah okay i mean i think

I think that I probably like didn't provide enough context. I think I was trying to answer a question. And that's why we have you here. Yeah, but of like a roundabout way without spilling too much tea, but giving some insight as to like when I first started to have doubts. You know, we got through that, um, that argument. It was just like the moment for me was like, how is this happening to me? Like, how did I end up here this morning?

I'm feeling alone. You're kind of, like, creating that space and also making me feel like I wasn't going to be supported. The hotel fight was really just, you know, that phrase, I think I'm going to butcher it, but it's like when you're with somebody to the public, you'll always kind of like protect them and stand up for them. But then behind closed doors, you can have those conversations and maybe call them out for, things that you need to. I think that's what I was trying to do through a lot of this. And so people didn't see me holding him accountable or thought that we were ganging up on Latia and creating this narrative. And I think ultimately I was just in a protector mode for him. And then behind

closed doors, especially after the finale and when I was able to watch how he handled it with Latia on stage. Because I saw the, you know, I already saw. the final episode before the finale. It was just how he handled it. I think that that's what caused me a lot of frustration was the lack of accountability from him. I think she was a little harsh if that's just my opinion. But I think he could have, I think he did the best he could,

but I think there was a little bit of lack of accountability there. And then I kind of came at him a little bit for it. And I was really frustrated. And I was like, well, now we have to do a, you know, like we have to carry that forward. And I would love for you to hold yourself a little bit higher in the sense that, you know, admitting where you went wrong and what you said wrong and validating her feelings of feeling let on, you know. And that just wasn't the way things were going. So we were not on the same page once the finale kind of aired. and yeah that was just like one piece of the puzzle i uh actually can i can i just have a conversation

with juliana for a second yeah i just jumped right into it so let's backtrack or do whatever you want no no this isn't a backtrack okay this is just um i'm she's reminding me of stuff yeah okay i mean if anybody knows what it feels like to lead somebody on on this show i think i would be the one to say, I did it best or worst. Yeah. And I mean, I can go both ways, right? Like, I did. I know I did.

I mean, that's exactly what I did. And it was unfair to Jojo at the time. But it did cause Lauren a lot of pain, I think, because she had to answer questions about it for me. And I think when you are together, I think you just said it. And I think that's what reminded me is in the public, you want to support your partner. behind closed doors though you need to hold your partner accountable and i remember many moments where she would do that and there was a lot of like it's a weird conversation to have i'm going

off on a tangent here but you just reminded me of so much during that time um it's a weird conversation to have with the person that you're with to be like hey you need to also be like more respectful to the person that you broke up with when we were like figuring this thing out and i think at the time it was really hard to process like okay how much do i talk about with this with lorne about you know jojo how much do i not talk about what do i say to jojo do i send her a text to say hey i'm sorry for how things went down is that inappropriate there's a lot there but i need a partner to kind of step in with you i want to go back a little bit though i remember when i first felt like Warren was thrown off was like the night after our like proposal on the show it was the next day when we were like she's like okay so what do we do now and I'm like I don't really know what we do now like my middle name is Edward and here's my phone number and uh I hope this works there's a lot happening um yeah and so can we go back to like next day for you it wasn't I expected this

whole show to end in this like fairy tale where the next morning you wake up and everybody's happy and you're like look at this beautiful thing that happened. And I know why it wasn't this way. It felt very opposite of that. It felt very much like, okay, now let's get to know each other. And also, can you explain to me how this thing all worked out at the end? Because I don't think it was as like clean cut as what I think, you know, she was away for a lot of it. So I had to explain the whole thing to her. Yeah. It was hard. They don't know what they don't know, right? So then it's a lot of backtracking and it's a lot of having to revisit weird things. And, you know, I think in some ways it brought Grant and I a lot closer because I think, I don't know where he said it. And I have to admit, I don't usually listen to like any of the podcasts he does unless somebody says, you know, he was talking about me in some way. But I think we've been pretty respectful in that sense. Maybe me not so much. But. I will say, like, he said something recently along the lines of, like, he would have been

a little bit more stern with production. Now, I think that there's twofold to that. I think that if you don't know yourself well enough, how can you really stay strong and true to who you are throughout that process? I think it can get messy. And I think that for me, the grant I met and kind of fell and that did fall in love with in the show, shortly after we kind of got back from all of this, I was quick to find out it was a very different grant in the outside world. And I think that I did, you know, I fell in love with the basis of who I thought he was and what was presented to me. And I still care for that person deeply. But in terms of it being a long lasting relationship, I think I was struggling to get to that point once we were,

really getting to know each other. I mean, I don't, he could say the same about me, but I, I mean, I would like to think that at least from what my friends and family have told me from watching it, like they thought that I was pretty true to who I was. And I think afterwards, my walls went up really high, really fast because I was like, whoa, I don't know this person, you know? Like, I was kind of like, shuck a little bit. You don't have to spill your guts, but, like, Can you give us an example as to how he's different in real life? Yeah, I mean, I think he's like, I say this not in a mean way, but I think you guys might understand him.

He's a little aloof, you know, he's kind of a little like, not like super clear direction. And that's okay, you know, it's not a negative thing per se, but I think we had talked about things we wanted to do, a place we wanted to go together, foundations we wanted to represent, I thought we kind of had a bit of a clear picture of like the magic we could make together as a couple and like really resonated on the same things. And then coming out of it, you know, it was like one day he wanted to make music. The next day he wasn't going to be an artist. But then he was still going to release it. And then he wanted to do a dating app. And then he wanted to have his, you know, marketing class. And I was having a hard time following it, you know, and feeling like included in his life's path to. you know, spread this mission that you can do it all and be in a relationship. But I was like, hi, you have to pay attention to me if you want me a part of this. You have to include me, you know, and I think he was just, you was scatterbrained a little bit. And maybe that's because he went through what he went through. And I mean, listen, it took me a minute to kind of come down

from like the mess of everything that happened to. But I think I still feel that with him, you know, now. And maybe that's just who he is. And I mean, you're giving him a lot of grace and you should because it is a wild time you go from zero to 100 and i think you need to find people to ground you in that and i would think somebody like you who he ends up with it from the show would be that grounding source to speak into him and be like hey let's let's cut out some things or let's add some things or where are we trying to go with this I mean, that's kind of what a partner, you know, is for in a lot of ways when it comes to your professional life and lifestyle. There was, and I think out of everything that's been said, there was a comment I felt like I read preparing for this.

And I don't know the exact line. But I felt like this would have been a big red flag for me. This never happened in my two seasons on the show with Caitlin or, you know, when I was The Bachelor. was there was this comment made shortly after about kind of like being famous uh from this i think that he made he said something along along the lines of like you know we're going to kind of get a lot of attention from this and all that to me that feels like the last thing you should be thinking about um it felt it feels it feels distracting from the the relationship at hand did you feel that way totally i mean i think that that is kind of what i meant when i said

said in the last podcast I did about like it always being about the optics. You know, I think I did my best to support him because I like had the support system and I was able to kind of work through it and he was getting a lot of heat. And so I think like through it all, I was like, okay, let's just get through this. You know, I can be there to support him. I can try and guide him. And then after when that still continued and I was like, hello, you're not like including me and anything I can't you're not listening to me you're not hearing what I'm saying and it's all about the optics it's all like talking him off a ledge about somebody who made a comment that was like hurtful and you know the the Tyler Cameron issue that they had like oh yeah I remember that

just being like like deep down like the one of the hardest two weeks for me because I was just talking him off a ledge every three hours and I was like you've got to just let it go but you know, I have to give him grace because it is so hard when the world, it feels like the world is coming at you. And that's how I felt after the finale, like, aired. And I was hoping for like his support the way I supported him. And it wasn't. It was about the optics. And it was about what people are going to think. And if we break up, they're going to think this. And if we stay together, they're going to think that. And I'm like, I don't care. Yeah. That's like what when you said in the other podcast that he was writing statements after your fight about how to announce your breakup a day

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They're just bubbling up. So first, I got to address how you felt when you found out that he had been leading Latia on. like that to the point where he was like, you're the one, you're the one over and over and over again. Yeah. I mean, listen, I think it was, I think they had their first like one-on-one date night, the second episode. And I was in Florida and I called him and I was, I was crying and I, because I saw the chemistry, you know, and they look so cute. And I was like, I literally said, would you have picked her if she wasn't Mormon? Because I knew that that was something that was like

he was struggling with toward the end. And I was like, seriously, like, would you? Because I can see it and I feel it and I'm having anxiety over it. And he was like, no, you know, that wasn't the main thing. And I was like, okay, so I let it go. And I think it's so hard because I think there is a lot of, like, pushing him one way. and he wasn't strong enough and how he really wanted to feel to kind of stick up to that. And I think he kind of is a bit of a people pleaser.

And I know he had feelings for Lettia, you know. So I think that that was he was grappling with all of that and struggling to communicate the way he should have. But like, you know, I think I was frustrated with her anger towards it because when I say I wasn't shocked with things she said, like he gave me a notebook. he said something very similar to me to her he brought up engagement the night before to me in a similar way that he did to her and in my eyes i could sense that he was a little bit um free flowing with what was you know prompted for him and i think that i didn't take it to heart i just i didn't put all my eggs in the basket because i was like i'm not sure if this is him or if this is like i knew he was honest about his feelings but i just didn't know to the

magnitude of the validity towards the end, like what it really meant. And I didn't know if I was getting let on. So I think it was just all around hard for me to see it happen to somebody else because then it was her emotions that he had to deal with. And I didn't feel like he was doing a good job with it. And I was frustrated with Lydia because I felt like she counted me out and took everything he said as if we were not on a dating show where there was other women involved. And it was her way or not her way. And I feel bad that I feel that way, but we looked at it two different ways. So I don't know.

It was hard. It was all around hard. I was frustrated with myself and him and her and production and everything. I mean, from my experience during this, you know, Grant did have two incredible people at the end. And I would always make the argument that so did I. And that's why it was so hard. like those though you're in an environment where like how am I supposed to say goodbye to somebody so awesome and how do I make them know how special this was for me even though I'm going to be saying goodbye to them

and it doesn't make sense on why and you don't it sounds so simple now looking back and explaining it but at the time you're like I don't know how to make sense of this personally I have always said I wish Lauren, Jojo, you, Latia, Grant, all these people, when you're in a situation like this, I do wish there was the understanding of, hey, yeah, I can't, I'm not going to be able to explain why I did what I did. It doesn't make sense to me and it won't make sense to you. And so let's just start now. Can we just like clean slate, say, I'm sorry, this is messed up? Did it feel, and that's where my question leads, did it feel like Grant wanted that, though? it kind of felt like it was never this like, hey, can we put a stake in the ground?

I'm sorry for all the pain. I'm sorry for all the confusion. Can we put a stake in the ground? Will you give me that as a partner and just say, can we walk past the stake and move forward together as a couple? Or did it always feel like this lingering thing that almost didn't want to go away? For me and him, I think, especially the day after the finale when we sat through all of that press. And literally all of the questions had to do with Latia. I think that that's just how our relationship started.

And I don't know that there's a way to get around that with the fuel that was added to the fire by him maybe not just owning up to it to the full extent. I mean, I think that he did the best he could. You know, I think that he was also frustrated and didn't want her to paint him to be, he didn't want her to paint him to be this, like, awful person with this intent to lead her on and then screw her over. but that is like the basis of the show you know like that someone's going to get hurt and um i think that they're like i just i don't i don't think we could have gotten over it and i think it was lingering especially because that's what people in the comments were saying that's what the videos on ticot were saying was all litia leading on him not taking accountability and then me having to talk him off a ledge over the girl he hurt you know so i i just don't know it i don't think that

he intended to not get over it. I just don't know that it was possible with the way everything happened. Yeah. I need to know about your family and what they thought about him when you got off the show and then how they helped you deal with the breakup or in like the lead up to the breakup because your family was so involved and I loved seeing your family. You could tell how close you are. Your family is probably and if somebody said what's your top three most memorable things

from that season, your family would be one of them for me. And I don't, they just, they kind of reminded me of my wife's family, very Italian. Like, I'm not. They're very loud and they're very direct. And I love it now because I know when they are happy with me and not. But yeah, your family was great. Thank you. That really does mean the world to me.

I mean, they've just been so supportive. They've just been so helpful in every aspect you could think about, you know, when I, need to vent and yell, I'll call my mom when I need somebody to call me down. I'll call my dad. When I want to laugh, I'll call my sister. And when I'm freaking out and I don't know what to do, I'll call my brother. You know, and they all have for perspective. That's so wonderful. Yeah, just like being able to have that, you know, I think I talked to my brother a lot when I was feeling iffy about Grant. And just because he was honest, you know, I think my mom and my dad and my sister, wanted to make sure that I was okay, but in a way that was like protecting me from the public,

I think they were just like, just get through it. You know, afterwards, when this is all done airing, like then maybe you can have a different perspective on him and you guys can really get to know each other and blah, blah, blah. I think they wanted me to get through it. My brother was the opposite. My brother was like, if you're feeling like this, like listen to yourself. Listen to your gut. you know, don't do anything to please anybody else. And you know yourself well enough. So I think my brother pushed me in all the right ways to break up with him. I think after the breakup, that's when I think I was like, I really needed my parents. Like I just, I don't know, I would never wish a public breakup like to that degree on anybody. It's so hard. And it's so sad.

and I was so sad about everything. I just was crying, like, all day, every day for, like, two weeks. And I, like, left to go to Florida and stay with my aunt. And I was, like, help me. And then they would go to work all day. And I'd just, like, be, like, crying in the sunshine. But I'm like, at least I'm getting tan, you know. He's trying to soak in, like, any sort of positive thing around.

It's so hard. Yeah. It's so hard to do a public breakup. I've shared this story before, but when Lauren and I broke up, we went our separate ways like immediately like she kind of like grabbed her stuff and left which was for the best they never saw each other again well no kind of well we really haven't I've seen her husband many times he's great um but he goes with the husband it's hilarious it buddy uh but I we both ended up we didn't tell each other we were going we went to New York City I was there on a work trip and she went with a friend and I ran into her like three days after our breakup randomly on the street corner and I sprinted, like, away. Like, I ran the opposite direction. I was so nervous.

I didn't want to see her. It was so hard, and there was so much opinion out there. But sometimes, and I think, I mean, I want to speak for Lauren here during this, but our breakup was a long time coming. We had a lot of, like, respect for each other, and we still do to this day. But it was a weight lifted when we finally said, okay, this is done. Like, we know it. I don't know how we're going to do this.

A lot of things are going to be said. But this is over. Let's just, you know, rip the Band-Aid off and move forward the best we can. So it was a weight-lifted. It doesn't sound like it felt like a weight-lifted to you, though. It didn't. I mean, listen, I think before we announced it, we'd been broken up maybe for like a few weeks, personally, you know, and he had come to Aruba with me and my friend.

friends and my family and that was like the hardest week ever for him and me were you broken up or not we were broken up yeah and you went to aruba mm-hmm so you went as friends yeah i think it was like he loved my my family and my friends and i didn't want him to feel isolated from that because him and i couldn't be together but i also time out hold up this sounds so unhealthy i know was it because the trip was just booked? The trip was booked and he ended up leaving early. I mean, I think it was like he couldn't do it and it makes sense and it was fair. But I think you have to understand like before we broke up, because I broke up with him, you know, I think we were drifting a bit naturally. But he still talked to my parents. He, you know, he still talked to my brother-in-law and my best friend's fiance

who does music like they were trying to get into the studio down in Florida and I was like listen bro like my people are your people I I care about him you know I'm not going to sit here and say he's a horrible guy that's the one thing that I just like I hate when people say because he doesn't doesn't mean bad he's just aloof you know I think that's also what we've been putting out there I said that we roast him which we do but it's all out of him being aloof and not about him being like bad totally yeah And, you know, I think he's been through so much in life. And he is like a soldier for staying strong through it all and being a support to his family.

I wanted him to feel supported. I didn't want him to feel alone, you know. And I knew the breakup was going to be hard on him. And I didn't know if he was like I was his person that was helping him get through the season. I didn't know who he had, you know. And I didn't want him to be alone. That made me sad. and so I think like it wasn't a weight off my shoulders because I cared about him and I was

really uncertain about how I felt like the person that I fell in love with and that I knew like just like didn't care about me in the way like couldn't support me and I just I think I was down on myself I like I felt like I did myself dirty you know and I in my head all I could think was like come on now Juliana like get it get it together like you know you're smarter than this you should have seen these red flags you should have picked up on these things and I and then now even to this day like I feel like it's this weird when he went on when did his own podcast and said like you know we hadn't spoke and he didn't talk to my family it was like we broke up and he flew out to show up to my fashion show without telling me and because of the optics and I'm like so don't

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feel easier for you? I think I remember, well, you know, we're trying to track, like, right after the breakup, like how you both were feeling. And I, and tell me if I'm wrong and I just like dreamt this because that can happen too um but i felt like there was like an instagram that he did where he pretty much said in some way or another um like i don't like miss you or like i'm not like this isn't hard for me or something that that's right that yes the heart wasn't heartbroken yeah that's what it was i wasn't heartbroken oh i am like i don't know that was like the weirdest thing ever I think that that was again back to the aloof thing I think he was trying to come off this tough didn't care about at your opinion what you're saying vibes I'm not heartbroken like because he

was butt hurt that I broke up with him you know I think that that was where that came from but on such a when you have such a following of people that like are so curious and we're not giving them anything about the breakup and you say you're not heartbroken like I was like like, was he not? You know, because I was like, I am and I'm so sad. And I'm like, you know, sitting here crying and you're telling people that you don't even care about the breakup. I was like, it just, it felt so hot and cold all the time. Like I was having a really hard time understanding him.

To this day, I still am. And that was, I think explains kind of what I mean when I say aloof. Like I just, I quit. I can't figure him out. Yeah. I don't know if anybody can. Yeah. Yeah, but that, I mean, from based on what you were saying, like, hey, you didn't know who else he had.

You were trying to be there for him, even though this breakup happened and it was done, you were still trying to be a support. And that's a heavy weight to carry for somebody, especially that had just recently gotten out of this relationship. When did it feel, when did you finally say, hey, I can't, like, I don't know what to do here. So I'm just going to move on. And he has to figure this out on his own. honestly it was pretty recently i will say i think that i you know i have people online sending me his stuff or when he was doing podcasts and so was i and even litia doing podcasts i think like for me it was just maybe honestly last month it was like i was kind of like wow i haven't thought

about him in a minute you know and i i think I was seeing things maybe online that he was kind of seeming like he was doing well. And I was like, it kind of made me be able to breathe a little bit and just be like, he's okay. He's not my problem. Like, not the, you know what I mean? But like, and he's going to be okay. So then I was like, okay, now I can focus on my healing and like getting myself back on my feet.

And so I started therapy again. and I started working out again and hanging out with my friends. And now I'm having having a time with life again. Are you dating? Great. Yeah, I am. You are dating. You're like dating someone that you like.

I can tell. Oh, yeah. I am seeing somebody. Oh, my God. Amazing. Yeah. It's new, but it's fun and it's flirty. And I like that, you know, I like, I think that coming out of that,

like was so hard that I think I've been taking things really, really slow again. And it put me back a little bit into my old like, I hate men vibe. And I don't like, I'm not a man hater. I'm not a woman hater. And so I think now I was like, let me just give this guy a shot. He's like blown me up for like three straight months nonstop. And I've been like ghosting him. And I was like, you know what? Screw it. You're cute. So we're going to hang out. Oh my God. I love it. Yay. Is he could be your New Year's date? Yes, he's coming here for New Year's. Oh, my goodness. Congratulations. Already. So the other question that I have that I must ask, that's such a weird thing to say, but we had Caroline on the podcast a couple weeks ago. And she was an absolute hoot. And she was like,

that's how I would explain her. Yeah. Yeah. Really very, very entertaining. And she was like, I was not the villain of my season. And we were like, okay, well, then who was? She goes, Juliana. Me? What? Okay. Did she give, like, some reasoning?

Because I was mean, because I called out. I think that you, like, called her out. Yeah. Like, okay. I'm sorry that we can't handle conflict in our 29 years of life. I mean, listen, I think that that was my last straw. I definitely had had maybe a few glasses of. wine that night, but I was over it. I, I, we'd all suffered through it. It was all we were talking about

in interviews, in our couch mornings and like her passing of like not wanting to participate and then being a grouch. I was like, why are you here? She said you were poking the bear always. I was poking the bear. As in like, I guess she's the bear, right? Oh yeah. Listen, I'm not, I'm not a poker. I have to say like I did my very, very damn best to stay in my only. lane. And they, of course, caught me swerving. And unfortunately, I swerved into Carolina's lane. And then I'm like, through this shit. I'm going back to my lane because I don't want any part of that. That's hilarious. And someone said one time, I forget who it was, but they were like, production can't make you look like an asshole if you're not an asshole. So, like, they, if they

had clips of her being an asshole, it was because she was being an asshole, you know? And not saying that that makes her a villain, like, I'm sure she's a lovely human, but, like, you know, maybe you just should have gone home because you did just feel no good staying and being a grump and talking shit about the lead that you were trying to date and then being upset when he sent you home. I love that you just said production can't make you look like something unless you are something because I, that's always been my argument is, hey, they've definitely messed over a few. we can probably name those. However, for the most part, when you do the things you do and it's shown back on television, you don't like the way it looks, you might want to ask yourself, like, was I in the wrong there? And what can I learn from that? Which, obviously, you just said it.

I think it's awesome that you're back out dating. It takes some people longer, but I think one of the best things to do after something like this is to get back out there again and to figure out what you're looking for in a partner. I also love that you're back in therapy. I think therapy was huge for me as I tried to process this weird thing that I came through. I'm sure at some point, though, therapy is going to encourage you to reconcile. That seems to be a thing in therapy is reconciliation and forgiveness. From the conversation we've had, it doesn't feel like you have any harbored, like, anger towards Grant.

You're just, it's over. It's done. You've moved on. But there's still, and Carolina, you didn't really probably even think of until Ashley just brought her up. and you're like, oh, yeah, that girl, that I had that thing with her. But Latia is still going to be this thing that, like, sits over you. And it's going to be brought up to you in conversations and interviews and on the streets when fans stop you. Is there a chance in this new year that you look to reconcile, maybe not to build a friend, like the best friendship,

but to reconcile something with Latia after months that have passed now? Totally. I mean, listen, I think it would. only be good for me and hopefully it would be good for her. I think holding on to such negative emotions around the whole thing and having it be a topic of conversation is hard for, I'm sure, her too. I would love for it to be over and done with. And I don't know what the hesitancy is on my end to reach out. Maybe it's because I'm still hurt from it and I need to get over that before I try and mend the bridge. I don't like to be fake. I don't like to

just, you know, apologize to apologize. I would want to mean it, you know, and I would really, and I do. I feel bad if there's things that I've said that have caused her harm or hurt or negative emotions. And same with Carolina, you know, and even Zoe. Like, you know, I'm not perfect and neither are they. So I can't, I can't hold on to it anymore. But I just, I think I just need some more time. And it's so weird that I feel like I could have forgiven Grant and not the girls, but I think we were closer, you know, in some odd way. It's like you spend more time with them. You feel like you have a relationship, friendship with them. And then when things kind of get turned around and things are said and feelings are hurt, it, it hurts a

little bit more, you know, because you wouldn't expect that from girls, girls. And they are, they are girls, girls, I think. You know, I think we all were. We were so supportive. And I, I said this in the Bachelor Happy Hour podcast. It was like, filming was so phenomenal. Like, it was afterwards that things started to get so weird between all of us. And that hurt me, like, so bad. I, like, came out of that, like, with this newfound confidence. And I was like, oh, my God, I just made, like, 20 freaking friends and they were all girls and like we were so nice and and then it they kind of started getting weird and uncomfortable and I was getting anxious. Am I handling this correctly? What can I do better? Like what did I do to them? And it just took me down like a dark path like

mentally about myself. And that's when I was kind of like, okay, I don't know these girls. They're not my friends. They don't owe me anything. So I need to heal myself before I have a relationship with them in this environment. Yeah. No, that's respectable. Also, like, I imagine this happens a lot with the final three, especially, because you kind of, yeah, at the end of it, you guys are very secluded from each other, and then you watch it back on TV, and I can't, I really can't imagine.

Then there's some weird scenarios like Katie and Gabby, where they're best friends. Yeah. So, you know, it all turns out. differently, but I totally understand where you're coming from with that. That would probably be harder for me to get over as well, the girl relationship. You know, I don't know if this is like a weird view. You know, I don't think I knew exactly what to expect in the finale, but for some reason I didn't expect that from her. I could sense Grant was very anxious and I could sense he wasn't being fully honest with me the night before when he was like,

what if she says this and what if she like lies? And I was like, well, why are you feeling like it's going to go that way? You know, I was like, what is there something in particular you're nervous about? And he was like, no, no, no. And in that situation, I am not able to watch it live. So I'm kind of just waiting for my moment to come out and hope, you know, he's okay. And he made it through. And I saw him before we went on stage together. And he was like literally like, looked pale as a ghost and my mom got up from her seat watching it and like went to go find me and production went like chasing out of her. I was like, ma'am, like get back to your seat. She's like, screw you for this. I'm getting my daughter out of here. I was wondering how much

acting you had to do when you were on the hot seat. I don't, I think I was luckily ignorant to what had just happened to some extreme. I mean, to some extent. But I have to be honest, like I was so nervous that I was going to fall or like I don't know I just was like I was going to throw up as how I felt like being on stage in front of all those people I don't even know I think I blacked out regardless of whether I think I knew what had happened or not like I was just like sitting smiling pretty and just try to get through it so I can get off stage it. It is such a weird yeah the final three is always interesting I mean during katelyn's season was on the bachelorette obviously nick and sean almost went to

fist of cuffs over the over the over the finals and then when I was the bachelor you know you do it it is nerve-wracking I get what Grant was thinking is hey is she going to get out there and just tear me up it didn't happen in my scenario because I think I had um I think well I think Jojo knew she was going to be the next bachelorette and so I think she was like I'm going to come in here and just be kind and nice to Ben and then we're going to get out of here and I'm going to get announces the Bachelorette and everything's going to be good, which I'm very thankful for. Yeah. It's really hard for somebody in your seat, though, I think.

Juliana, we've talked so much now about your experience in the show. I really want to know, are you glad you did it? There's a lot right now that we've discussed, right? Like a breakup that's been hard and finding things out about Grant that maybe didn't wind well towards a future relationship and then the friendships that have taken a pause. I'm not going to say they ended. I think they come back. And I think that's going to be a really fun time for all of us.

But as you sit here today, are you glad that you went on this show? I think that that's an easy yes. You know, I wouldn't have had the experiences. I wouldn't have grown into the person that I am. And I also, frankly, don't think I would have been dating, you know, if I didn't go on that. I was. Why? I was such a, like,

I don't know. I just was not dating before. I didn't date anybody. I like didn't date anybody. I was like so nervous about it. And then afterward, I was like, whatever. You can date on TV. You can do it in real life. Totally. And I just think, you know, I've grown a lot, you know, and I'm like, I'm just so thankful for it all and for all of the obstacles that I've had to overcome. Like, I just feel I'm different in a good way. And there are some things that I see about myself now that I love. And there are some things that I see. I see about myself that I'm paying a little bit more attention to and trying to work on, you know? So I think all around, if you look at it through the right lens, you know, you can't go wrong, dating on TV. I agree. All right. I want to give you an opportunity to talk about your clothing line with your sister. Oh, thank you.

Oh, my God. That's so sweet. It's going so well. It's called Nice Girls label. And it is an honor of my grandmother whose phrase was, it's nice to be nice. And it's really just building a community of women, mostly in Boston, but we do sell our clothes online, but we have all different events going on. We're partnering with a bunch of local businesses, brands, foundations to just have fun and create a community of coziness and love.

I love the cozy. This is one thing I say that's always worth either spending on or gifting is cozy clothes because you know they'll always be worn. I, you know, by jeans, oh my gosh, the amount of jeans that are in my closet that are never worn, but the amount of yoga pants and sweatpants that are worn, they're just always worth the buy. Yeah. Totally. I live in loungewear. I'm literally wearing, like, I like live in it, especially in the winter.

I'm like, you are not seeing me in, like, jeans ever. I love. Never in jeans in the winter. It's too cold. Nicegirlslabel.com is where people can go to find it. I love this conversation. Because my wife, you know, we've been living together for four years now, when she puts on jeans and like a nice shirt, like I can, she wants me to notice because she's like, I think she just is like, I've lived in sweatpants and sweatshirts for so long that like, look at me. I'm dressed up today.

And I'm like, you look like you look every day going to school. Like, and now all of a sudden this is a big event. oh my gosh i know thinking about like what i would wear to college and grad school and especially high school oh my god you know college you have your sweatpants days for sure especially like before noon classes but oh my gosh i used to dress me too i wore jeans every single day to high school maybe i'd wear sweats like every other week like i did full glam full glam like staying out with like 15 year olds like what i know i know i know and And if I didn't do it before, I did it on the school bus.

Make sure that everybody in the hallway saw me put together. Oh, my God, I would never do makeup before 7 a.m. now. Oh, my God, never. We're lucky if I put makeup on my thing. This is why Nice Girls label is not only needed right now, it's also building this community you spoke about. I think it's, I'm looking at the website. It's really great.

And so make sure you go check it out. Juliana, thanks for coming on. Thanks for giving us the time this holiday season. it's it's really special to talk to you and uh goodness i i mean i'm i just want to say my take from this uh is that what like i'm learning from you as i'm listening to you about how to like walk through something so uniquely weird i'm not going to say difficult or hard or bad or good it's just weird and you're going to learn a lot about yourself uh do us a favor though if this relationship ends up any relationship i'm going to say this one don't put the pressure on it

If any relationship or any big things happen in your life, please let us know so you can come back on and talk to us. It would be a gift to keep track and not do all this weird guessing based on social media posts that have been put out there where we're like, do they hate each other? Do they like each other? Were they ever together? Yeah. Now, come on, chat with us. It would be a gift to everybody listening and to Ashley and myself. So, Juliana, thanks for joining us today.

Thank you guys so much for having me. Thank you. Both are so lovely. All right. We'll talk to you soon, hopefully. Until next time, I've been Ashley. And I've been Ben. We'll see you soon.

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