The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Taylor Frankie Paul's Mom Liann May Spills The TEA

Episode Date: October 6, 2025

You know her from "Secret Lives of Mormon Wives" - Ashley is having a one-on-one with Liann May, our next Bachelorette, Taylor Frankie Paul's mom! Liann spills on how she thinks her daughter is going to navigate dating multiple men...and what she hopes doesn't sabotage her experience. Plus, was there drama in #MomTok when Taylor was announced as The Bachelorette? Liann tells us the truth!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Leanne May from The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. She is Taylor, Frankie Paul, our new Bachelorette's mom. So we're going to get all the insight as to what we can expect from our new lead from her. We're so excited. Thank you. Welcome, Leanne May to the podcast. Hi. Thanks you for having me.

Thank you so much for being here. So I heard that you guys used to watch Bachelor, but it's been a while. Was this something that you guys did as a mother? daughter thing? Actually, no, I don't think we ever watched it together. But we did discuss it like a few times. But yeah, no, we never watched it together. When was the last time you watched regularly?

Probably the Colton season. What season was that? Oh, I don't know what number that was, but that was towards, you know, that was a great era. I understand, you know, like that's kind of when a lot of people started falling off after, say, Hannah Brown season. Hannah's season was so great but then like the COVID hit and then Matt James nobody knew

who he was he was fresh you know a fresh pick I just feel like that's when it started to sure turn a little bit yeah now we we I watched it your season I watched it like Ben Nick

you know so those are like the seasons I used to watch so I'm excited to watch it again and obviously with my daughter being on it, I'm excited to watch her. Like, is this the most wild thing in the entire world? Your daughter is the Bachelorette. I know.

Yes. I'm so excited for her. She actually gets to go date, which is going to be so nice for her, just because she really hasn't dated, you know, like multiple people at multiple times. Yeah. How do you think she is going to deal with dating, say, 30 men at once? I don't know, but I would love it. So I would hope that she would.

I got married really young, too. So I'm excited for her. So I'm just like, she kind of got married like younger for like, I guess in our world, she was like an average age. But in the Mormon religion, people get married like right out of high school or right out of college, you know, or during college. So, yeah. So you guys, you know, I will be fully transparent.

I've only seen two episodes of Secret Lives. I am, I'm going to complete, though, the entire, now it'll be soon, three seasons before Taylor's reign as Bachelorette. And I am enjoying it. I just started like two days ago. This is like my, my bachelor slash like pop culture homework now. The thing is from what I've seen and what I've heard from future episodes that I haven't seen yet is that you guys have, you have a very close relationship, but like you have. your ups and downs and you're definitely not sure about like her man picker oh she's not a good man picker so what kind of guys do you hope that ABC has cast for her well I have talked to the casting

director all the time I mean we're on the phone all the time she she's probably thinks I'm crazy but um and I might be a little bit every now and then but I just want to somebody who's like that believes in God can you know like believes in God or has some kind of like belief other than you know something higher like a higher power okay so it does not need to be Mormon it doesn't have to be Mormon no I mean obviously I would like that but it's not that's not something I guess there's so many great people that aren't Mormon like my my father wasn't an LDS guy and he converted like years later but he was a great guy and so and probably one of the best people you know so a lot of the people that i meet are outside the religion so she's like

i'm down to go you know go to some other religion or whatever or just just a good guy just somebody who's like obviously you still want them to be like decent looking you know because you want that as a pill and i'm sure she does too but just somebody who's like really humble and caring and puts her like in front of them and her husband was her first husband was like that so i guess she did pick someone you know good but yes i think she gets bored so that's the thing it's just like and then she meets dakota who's just this crazy they're just chaotic um just toxic relationship so but those are the kind of guys she like really likes so i don't know we'll see we need somebody who's going to keep her attention for a long time. I have to ask, because just watching the first two episodes. Yeah. Why do I feel like she just

like had no care in getting pregnant? Like it was like, did she? Right. Yes. It was like, she was just like, oh yeah, if it happens, it happens. And she just, it was almost like she secretly kind of wanted to get pregnant out of wedlock. Oh, absolutely. Like, yes. I mean, I got so much crap for like just saying that that was stupid you know that word like calling but i got so much hate from it but it was like they don't they don't know the history they don't know what's going on and so when i said that it's just like you barely know this guy and you want to get pregnant and now she was pregnant but that's all was so weird about it is that like she definitely didn't feel secure in that relationship she didn't even think it was i don't think she thought it was going to be

long term, but she was just like, ah, if I get pregnant, I get pregnant. Yeah. So I guess like she just loves having children. Yeah? Oh, I don't know. She's a great mom. That's for sure.

And she doesn't mind having, obviously, kids because she still wants more kids. And I'm just like, you want another, you know, another baby daddy, but she's, she does. All right. So another baby daddy. Are we thinking, like, if you, between you and the casting director, do you want him, her possible fiancee after all of this? to have kids or not have kids? You know, it really doesn't matter.

I think that he can relate more if he does have kids, just, you know, if he has kids, he already knows how it works and what the plan is and maybe possibly he would want another kid, you know. But I really want her to be, like, very secure and know what she really wants this time. I just hope she doesn't keep repeating that same toxic. I don't know, mess of her life. We all hope so. We all hope so.

I feel like she's grown a lot since the first season of Secret Lives as well. She has. Yes. She is getting better. She's had a lot of therapy. She's just gone through so much. Her life has just been such a mess for the last few years. And so now I think that's probably why she got pregnant.

She's like, well, what's one more kid? What's the big deal? You know, like, but then she doesn't think about it long term. And so I'm hoping she goes in and really like find somebody that's great. But then you don't have that much time, right, Ashley? Because you're just in there for so many weeks. And it's like, is that really possible? I always think that the main show is harder to find somebody than Paradise because it's just eight weeks and you have such little quality time with these people.

Whereas like in Paradise, it is a shorter amount of time. It's like three weeks. But you're spending day after day with the person that you're dating, like 24-7. So it is different. But we are wishing her luck. And I'm so curious, how are they going to film this season? Because the only other single mom, bachelorette that we've had, Emily Maynard, they actually worked with her and filmed in her hometown in North Carolina.

They never filmed in California. What is the plan with Taylor? She'll be in California. So they will film a couple weeks there. I think there'll be some, I'm thinking a couple weeks here is the plan, but I don't know. And then I don't know where the other city. So a little bit of both. Yes.

Uh-huh. And so her son will be with her majority of time. The oldest one or the youngest one? The baby. Yeah, the baby. So the other kids are in school. So that's just not going to be realistic. And so, but yes, they are going to allow her to see her kids.

kids. That was a stipulation for her to go on. And then the baby will be with her some of the time. Will there be a nanny with her or will you be with her? Yeah. So a nanny and myself will be like traveling back and forth. But we're kind of just trying to see how it's going to all work out. And so at least the baby can see her every now and then at least. You know, so that's the plan. Will the baby's father, Dakota, be around? No, I'm hoping not. I said that he will mess the whole thing up for her. Like, he will sabotage her whole experience.

Yeah. And so I'm just like, if you can just keep him away for at least those weeks, there might be some, like, hope of her, like, focusing in on this whole process of day. How do you think he would sabotage? I don't know. I just think, well, I guess if she can't have contact. with him he might not be able to but if he was to he wanted to be there he wanted to be there with the baby yes and so i'm just like no like that will not be good just because she will not be able to

enjoy her time there and it just wouldn't be good i think that there would be a disadvantage if she was to do that perhaps like a distraction for her oh very distracting yes because is there still like i know that they I know that they have had a relationship in which they're still obviously seeing each

other a lot because of the baby but but isn't there a lot of love still there? Oh yeah and she so loves him

and I believe that he truly loves her and you'll actually I can't talk about it but in the season three you'll see a lot that went on with him

that came out and just it was was not good. And so it made all of us just, oh, my God. I don't know. It's just shocking. But yes. Hi there. This is Josh Clark from the Stuff You Should Know podcast. If you've been thinking, man alive, I could go for some good true crime podcast episodes. Then if we got good news for you, stuff you should know just released a playlist of 12 of our best true crime episodes of all time. There's a shootout in broad daylight. People using axes in really terrible ways. appearances, legendary heists, the whole nine yards. So check out the stuff you should know true crime playlist on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Jonathan Goldstein, and on the new season of heavyweight, I help a centenarian mend a broken

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Obviously, that's one of the reasons that they cast her. It makes a lot of sense business-wise. It also, from a producer's perspective, makes a lot of sense for Dakota to pop in a bit because it's going to make things sloppy. Do you think that they're going to involve into the storyline? No. If so, they haven't told me about it. And they probably won't because they know, like...

Probably not. They know how I feel, you know, about that whole relationship. And so they probably are not going to tell me. So if so, I will be shocked to what I see it. Oh, you're going to be like, no, no, no, you'll be there. And you'll be like pushing him away. Yes, yes. What was his initial reaction when he found out she was a bachelorette?

I guess he was pretty shocked. And I think he's been like, don't... I think he doesn't want her to go on it. I know he's done videos saying that, you know, let's, like, otherwise, but I think that he doesn't want her to go on it. Obviously, he still loves her. I just don't feel like he loved her enough, or at least, I mean, he wouldn't have done the things that he did.

So I don't know. But yeah, I really, I was rooting for him, actually, you know. Yeah. Yeah, you would. I didn't like him at first. And then I grew to like him because he's one of those guys that you just. like he has that charisma he's a good looking guy he's just he's kind of manly you know he came from a farm he's just like i don't know i didn't like him at first and then i grew to i just gave him

a chance and then he just proved me right so i'm just like oh man i don't know i get it i totally get it i've had my sister's boyfriends there's been people that i definitely didn't like and then I evolved to love them over time and it's like crazy where you look back and you're just like, wow, I can't believe I used to think of you like this. And now I think of you like that. Anyway, so I just need to talk a little bit more about what you're talking about with casting director conversations. Like, this is so interesting to me that you've even had a hand in this. Have they showed you pictures? No, they haven't. They haven't showed me anything. But I send them guys that I would like her to be set up with. Through what? Like guys. that you find on Instagram? No, on, like, yeah, Instagram, TikTok. My gosh, I wonder if they will, like, take your advice and find these guys. Like, are you searching for them? Are they coming into your DMs and saying, like, I would love to date Taylor?

No, they haven't come into my DMs at all, but I have just, I just know her type, but I'm trying to, like, weed them out to, like, they look somewhat decent, you know? Obviously, some of them that have, I just know those guys that are just, like, good looking in their body, and they're always showing it. I'm just like, no, you're not it, you know, kind of guy. But, yes, I send them to one of the casting directors. I mean, they have like a couple of them because this show is like, I think it's going to be so good. I think their ratings are going to be so high.

Seriously. I'm hoping they're the highest, of course, because I'm the mom, right? The high is in quite some time, yeah. Yes. And so I'm excited for it. So I don't know. We'll see. So speaking of that.

what's the reaction been we know that it's been mixed there's a lot of old school bachelor fans that have been like oh we want people to be picked from the franchise then there's some people who don't love the fact that there's like sort of a double standard you know we her the assault

was all over the show and a lot of people say that if it were a guy with that past you would never have been cast what what What have you and Taylor dealt with over the past month or so emotionally? It hasn't been that, I guess that bad for like when all of that happened to, was it over two years ago? Yeah. It was really, really messy.

And I had so many people come into my DMs and just so much stuff happened. I haven't felt like the hate. I've seen it online like when I'm writing comments, but they haven't come to me directly. this time. Obviously, nobody was there at that time. They don't know, like, the true story. Like, I used to even believe, like, everything the news had. And, you know, there's just so much that's so not, like, a lot of lies.

Like, with even police and with the news, they don't portray everything that's correct. And so, and then they make it out to be, like, way worse than it really is. Like, she didn't ever, like, her kids were never, like, her kids were never, like, hurt or anything like that how like them said just just like certain things like you know I mean people don't know like yeah they're like half of the stuff that really happened they don't ever go and like retract you know journalism I guess and it's just it's not as real as people think that it is and so I kind of like learned a lot throughout that process with like the whole criminal because I never have experienced anybody ever going to jail and my own daughter like

going to jail was like huge for me so and just it was emotional and um we just yeah we got through it and i'm i'm just glad that uh that they're giving her that chance because i i do think that people great people make mistakes and obviously you know she i mean if there wasn't a gun or like weapon or stuff involved like i think they just took it overboard just because of she already had millions of followers before, you know, all this happened when she got arrested. And I think that's why they like, you know, she was an influencer here in Utah. And they just took it to the extreme. I mean, I have talked to plenty of people and even some judges that have said, like, most people don't get that. Like, they usually get like a slap on the wrist. But since she,

she was an influencer, like they took it to, I guess, like the worst that anybody. can possibly get interesting so yeah i don't know so would you say the reaction when you guys did announce that she was going to be bachelorette was it positive was it mostly positive she had a good day that day or was she overwhelmed by critics you know what she it was it was very like sad because that that morning we were so excited you know when the announcement came out and then the whole thing like with charlie kirk came out oh that happened the same day didn't it yes it happened the same day. So we were like so excited in the morning. And then after like 12 o'clock when we heard everything. And this is in Utah too. So yeah. It was even more. It was she turned off, like she

turned off her phone and she was, she couldn't be excited about it just because. Of course not. Like how could you be excited about anybody regardless of what side you're on that this happened and his little kids were, you know, there? And that was just devastating for anybody to go through. And so our whole family was just like, oh, it was, it was just sad. Yeah, it just wasn't a good day. From one emotion to another. So, yeah, it just, yeah, she couldn't be, she didn't want to post. She was just like, this is not the time.

I wouldn't, you know, so. And she, like, honored him, you know. And so. I know. I saw her posts. Yeah. It's very nice to see. But that was kind of, yeah, we were super excited until that.

And it was actually a heavy week, I think, for that whole time. Yeah. Now it's getting to be more real. I'm actually meeting with the producers. today. And so like I'm excited to like talk to them. Yeah. So they they flew in for the day and I get to hang out with them. Oh, are we preparing for packages like her intro packages and like getting some like lifestyle like family life footage before going into the shoots. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Okay. So you said that you're going to be shooting in California and then Utah? Is she going to be starting at the mansion and then

taking the guys that she actually is serious about home? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I think that's the plan. I don't even know if I'm, I haven't signed anything, but I don't think. If you haven't signed anything, then we're good. Hi there. This is Josh Clark from the Stuff You Should Know podcast. If you've been thinking, man alive, I could go for some good true crime podcast episodes, then have we got good news for you. Stuff You Should Know just released a playlist of 12

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get your podcasts. I'm Jonathan Goldstein, and on the new season of heavyweight, I help a centenarian mend a broken heart. How can a 101-year-old woman fall in love again? And I help a man atone for an armed robbery he committed at 14 years old. And so I pointed the gun at him and said, this isn't a joke. And he got down, and I remember feeling kind of a surge of like, okay, this is power.

Plus, my old friend Gregor and his brother tried to solve my problems. through hypnotism. We could give you a whole brand new thing where you're like super charming all the time. Being more able to look people in the eye. Not always hide behind a microphone. Listen to Heavyweight on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

All I know is what I've been told, and that's a half-truth is a whole lie. For almost a decade, the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved, until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. I'm telling you, we know Quincy Kilder, we know. A story that law enforcement used to convict six people, and that got the citizen investigator on national TV. Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky hospital. housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran. My name is Maggie Freeling.

I'm a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find. I did not know her and I did not kill her, or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that y'all said it. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her. From Lava for Good, this is Graves. County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.

America, y'all better work the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns. Listen to Graves County in the Bone Valley feed on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad-free, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Podcasts. People called them murderers. Ten years later, they were gods. Today, no one knows their names.

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Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of the on-purpose podcast. Recently, I had a conversation with the one and only Madonna. When I was broke and I had no friends, nowhere to live, I was held up at gunpoint, I was robbed, all these horrendous things happened to me. I had such an unhappy childhood that whatever happened to me, in New York. It's better than what my life was, so I'm not going back. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Chetty on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Escape to the coast at the Portofino Hotel in Marina in Redondo Beach.

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storylines over whether or not they're going to have the lead, meet the kids. What is Taylor's plan for having the suitors meet her kids? Does she have one? I think she does. I think she's going to, obviously, yeah, the guys that she really likes or thinks that she might have a relationship, she will have them meet them, yes. Is it like going to be a top four thing, like a hometown situation? Or do you think that she would introduce more than four guys?

no i think probably the the the last few for sure okay yeah i i haven't really talked to her about it but yes i would i know that she wants to introduce them yes do you see her being engaged at the end of this do you think that's going to be a a natural thing for her to be able to do with her probably with being it was a whole different story like no i would think that no like but her she she likes them fast and so it's just like I'm like please take your time you know with these guys I don't know we'll see it's just she jumps into everything so quickly I just I don't know I would think that by her age because she's 31 you know she would take her time a little bit but I don't know she doesn't listen to me I think I should start saying the opposite and maybe she will I'll be like

yes let's get married yes let's have some kids and then she might not do it I don't know. That's what I need to start doing reverse psychology. We definitely hope to see you a lot on the show because you have such a funny way of talking with her. It's so honest and unfiltered. And the fact that she's so spontaneous is going to make for a great season, I think she's going to be all over the place mentally, which is going to be really difficult for her

and you as her mom, but also really entertaining for us. as viewers. Yes. I'm just like, oh, man, they might not let me because she might be too messy and I'll be like, I will want to come through the screen. So, yeah, they probably, I don't know. Who knows? Oh, so funny. Have any past bachelorette's reached out to her to give advice? I think so. I think, I know she's talked to like Hannah Brown. I think she's talked to a couple, but I don't know, like, all of, you know, she has so many, she gets so many DMs anyway. Like, and I'm sure it's like intensified, like, so much just since, you know, that they, she's come out and said that.

But yeah, I know, like, she's taught, I think she's talked to Nick. Okay. Yeah, she and Nick are friends. He will be a great help. I know. I love, I love Nick. So I've met him too. And I love him and his wife.

I'm just like, it's, I don't know. I wish he was the host, to be honest. Or Chris, I wish Chris, nothing against Jesse. I just don't. No, we all, we all, so many of us. us wish Chris were the host that would be great and Nick is just absolutely killing it with what he does so yeah I love Chris I wish they could have brought him back but you know obviously I don't know I don't I don't I have nothing against the new guy just don't know Jesse's great

but like obviously there is so much heart and soul that that went missing after Chris and I think that you speak for a lot of people there yeah all right well I also think that you'll probably be at Dancing with the Stars a lot after this because I think that having Taylor probably on that show is probably going to happen after this. And then, of course, whoever she ends up with is going to end up on Secret Lives. Oh, yes. I love that element to this whole thing because I think a lot of people are so interested to see what happens with the relationships once they get off the show. And it's so great that in your case, we're going to see their relationship, them moving in together, planning a wedding, navigating all of life off the show on secret

lives. It's so perfect. I love this. Oh, that's awesome. Do you have any advice that you, I can give her? Because I'm like, you were like, you're like, I would have loved like you're, you went in, you know, when I watch you, because you were a virgin, right? Yeah. Yeah. All of that. like I'm just like to me you are like valued yourself you know and and I just I love that because I I think that you're a great example to so many people and so like you know like I think with not your generation but just like the younger generation is like hook up culture yeah and I just like feel like gosh you just like give so much of yourself you know to these guys or vice versa like the men too and it's just like I don't know I just wish more women especially women though

like value their themselves more and just like didn't give it up that quick you know like I don't know just stuff like that it's just there's so much more like sex is like so much I don't know there's just so many like it's a connection that you give to somebody else and I just like somebody you just don't know or that great or I don't know that's all of my feelings back in my 20s was just I hated cook up culture. I couldn't understand why I was living in the midst of it. I was like, I do not belong in this decade. I'm like, can we go back in time? And I can date then? Because I was very uncomfortable. Yeah. But I love that about you. I mean, that's, I'm like, you're beautiful and you're just like held yourself. And that's commendable. Thank you. Actually, that brings me to another

question, fantasy suites. That's like you really get messed. you know because like I think that the best situation is that you know who you're going to pick going into fantasy suites right because then those leads usually end up just sleeping with the one person that they know they're going to pick because when you go into it and you and you sleep with everyone it can get really messy oh I bet yes I will be so pissed if she goes in and that i will you i will be so mad and i know she i mean she doesn't care like really what i think but she she does but she doesn't it's just weird that's why your relationship is so funny like

because you guys are very close but you are like i don't get you yes yes i'm just she says that she's she she always says how you wouldn't buy a car i hate that saying like you went by it unless you test drive and it's like i didn't have sex and with my husband until I got married and I already had her right so like I tried it that way first and then obviously I married I've been married 29 years so that is so not true like our relationship is like a great relationship and we I don't know I just think that that's not true about and you know what in bachelor world because it is very weird it's so much different than regular world yes utilize in my opinion, if you have to test drive a car, right? Make it be the person you're going to pick. And you know what? You can go through it and you can sleep with no one in the fantasy suites, which is probably the best idea. And your test drive is after the show. Okay? You're not getting married on the last episode. Yes. I agree. You're still engaged. And to be honest, even if you're engaged, a lot of those people who leave the show engaged think like, okay, now we're starting to really date. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Because, too, like, right, it's not, it's not reality, like, going on these exotic dates, you know? That's not always what happens to all these people who date. No. So it's, yeah, and I think that this season with Taylor is going to be a little different because she's, like, not your high-maintenance kind of girl who has to go on these, like, crazy adventures to, like, I don't know, to impress her, I guess. Like, she's, like, that type that's like, let's just go for a hike, you know? I'm like she's like the ring doesn't like is not anything you know me I'm like opposite I'm like no you choose the best ring I don't know we're so opposite it's so funny that's one of my favorite things so far about watching secret lives though is that the girls are wearing like sweatpants

around and talking on couches like that is more realistic than a lot of other reality shows yes I know it is they're they're they're so funny those girls yeah it's um it's fun to see and it's well you've been on reality shows and and yeah it's it's not like so many people think it's fake and her life is so real on this show it's it's real it's unscripted it's real like i say what i want you know people people ask me do you do they tell you what to say i'm like no really okay that's good to know because i was wondering how her transition from secret lives would go over into bachelor like is she going to be very aware of production you think like is she going to be like oh they're making me do this or they're making me do that like is she going to have she's going to have

a say is what i is what i think you think that she's going to be like more in a direct in a director position because of her experience i do yes so i think i don't know we'll we'll see obviously they can say something and then when you're you know you're signed up then change it you know but she's so good at capturing like an audience and so too it's like they might just let her just be who she is who knows all I know is like I hope she doesn't like show up in crocs with a dress or something like I just am like please Taylor I like some of the shoes that she wears I'm like that does not go like she just doesn't care and it's just funny she'd rather be comfortable and it's just like I'm glad she has like a stylist who's like going to you know

do her whole wardrobe. I'm just like, at least for that part, you know. I hope that they recreate a lot of home dates, though, like what it would actually be like for her to be at home with the kids, having her new fiancé, just like making dinner and in the midst of all the chaos that is having kids. I know, right? It is chaos, too. It's chaos.

How old are they all? Indy just turned eight and then Oceans 5 and then the baby ever. He's 18 months. Okay. Yeah. So it is. It's crazy. It's a crazy house. Yeah. But she thrives in chaos. And so I don't know. Good. That's great. She's going to need to continue to thrive in chaos throughout all this. Yeah. All right. Well, we are so excited for her. I really do think this was a great network decision. There's going to be a lot of people interested. The crossover is going to be amazing. And we're just hoping for the best for you guys. Yeah. Well, we are too. I'm hoping the best for her. whoever she marries or not marries but finds hopefully she does find someone i'm rooting for them so definitely and yeah and before i let you go what was the reaction of the mom talk group when she got this role was you think there's some secret jealousy oh absolutely yes oh for sure who's the most

jealous oh to me for sure to me i think mostly like jesse and macy and Michaela those three are probably like and Jan like you they were so excited for her and I think the other girls were excited to you I just think uh you know like why didn't they pick me kind of thing because they're single you know too so they could have picked some of the other girls that are not married so she's been the star from the beginning she's always been the center of yeah she's definitely the star of the show for sure and it all started because of her release of the tea. Oh, yes. Yes. I don't know. Okay. Well, if you guys need any advice from somebody who is not the lead, tell her to DM me or I'll give you my number or anything like that. It's just I obviously have

never been in the position. Okay, great. She would love to D. I mean, she would love to call you probably. Thank you. That's so sweet. That's really cool to hear. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you so much. I'm sure we'll have you on after you guys are done filming. Yes, I'm excited. But thank you. I feel honored that you asked me and tell Ben hi, too. I will. He would love to have been here for this.

And he is the master of all lead advice. So please chat with him too. All right. Well, until next time, I've been Ashley. And that has been Leanne Mae. Bye. Bye. See you later.

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