The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - The Big Snip

Episode Date: October 27, 2021

Ashley is joined by Arie Luyendyk Jr to help break down this week’s episode of The Bachelorette! Arie opens up about a big decision that will completely change his marriage and his relationship with his children. And, we get to know Caroline Jones, who you saw perform on this week’s episode! She shares some wild behind the scenes secrets from her unique perspective.   Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today, I have a special guest host. Ari Lyondike is here. Welcome him, everyone. Hello. Ben is traveling. So Ari is filling in, and we're going to talk all about the episode. And then we have some special guests on. But we'll get to that in a little bit. Hey, Ari, how's life right now? You had a whole month. It was it a whole month in Hawaii?

Yes, I was in Hawaii for a month. It was not all that, but I have to say, it was pretty awesome. First off, thank you guys for having me. I feel very honored. So, Ben, wherever you are, thank you, brother. This is really cool to be on with you. And I love, I can't wait to chat about the episode. Actually, full disclosure, this is the first episode.

I've watched in two years. What? I thought you guys used to do like YouTube recabs. Two seasons. Okay. Two seasons. Yep. So since Peter's season? Okay. So yeah. It's been a while. So you didn't watch Claire and Tasha's season?

Oh, I watched the first part of Claire's season. Did not watch Tatea season. Is that because you felt like you know Claire better? No, I just got a bunch of kids. And I don't have to. I had a lot of kids, not a lot of time. That's awesome. So I guess if I ask you how you feel about Katie Thurston and Blake Moyne's breakup, you don't have much to say.

Zero to say. I mean, I didn't watch her season. I feel bad that they broke up. You know, that's not what we want to see out of an ending. But, yeah, I didn't watch our season. So I don't have much input there. Well, I guess I have to give my two cents on it. Ben did talk about it briefly in yesterday's mini episode and,

I guess I like, I guess I didn't see them going the long haul. I mean, as horrible as that is to say, like, there was just like something missing a lot with them, either on, um, after the final rose, during the proposal. It just seemed like he was a little bit hesitant to propose. I don't know. There was something missing there, but I didn't think they would break up this fast. Like, that's only like four months as boyfriend and girlfriend or fiance, I suppose. Yeah.

I mean, that is quick. Um, you think they were to like hung it out a little bit to do. I don't know, some appearances together and have some fun, travel. I mean, that beginning stage is just a whirlwind. So it's kind of, they must have been pretty incompatible. I know. And to think back on the last few episodes

and the fact that Greg was seemingly going to be her final pick, and I just wonder if watching that back and the drama between the two of them just dented something for Blake and just made him like never be able to think about her never be able to think of himself as her number one pick honestly and that is a thing like when you watch the season back with your fiance it is really really tough it's like you and I are like the last thing like that we can't even speak because first off Jared didn't pick me a lot

he didn't pick Lauren at the end I know I didn't pick Lauren so it was really tough to watch back So you can get over it. So that probably wasn't their biggest issue. I remember I think Jordan and Jojo like didn't watch their season until years later. And I feel like that is a good piece of advice. Probably. Maybe if you were the last one standing and you have the ring, just don't watch. Yeah.

Don't do it. Don't do it. And then in other Bachelor news, oh my gosh, Chris Harrison and Lauren Zima got engaged. Now, this is something I did see coming. I actually thought that they, like, got engaged in April. If you remember that picture, she was, like, in a white dress. They were at a wedding, and there was, like, some very romantic caption. I was like, oh, my God.

So seeing this one, I was like, oh, okay, so here it is. I'm so happy for them. I find them to be such a compatible couple. They're both so they're warm and they are so witty. Like, I can only imagine, like, the back and forth that they have. The banter. Yes, in private. yeah i'm really happy for chris obviously you know tough going last six months for him so for him to have

you know this happy moment between him and lauren it's really cool i'm really happy for him i feel like all the bachelor nation is happy for him so good to see all that love and support from everyone on his post yesterday yes yes and she just seems to be like a great support system for him throughout this you know six seven months yeah anyway okay so like ari i know we talked to you back i'm thinking lie when we first announced that I was pregnant and um you I heard you got a house yeah yeah well you were the one did you close on it almost um we are in escrow now and it's all because of you i messaged Ari and I was like seriously the HD TV podcast that we did with gap home he said something that was like so inspirational that we hadn't heard from any realtor and it was that

your money sitting in the bank is like kind of vulnerable to inflation. But the money that you have in a house is far more secure. And we were like, oh my gosh, that is brilliant. And then we started looking at houses again. And we found the only house we've seen in, you know, we casually have been looking for nine months, you know, sometimes more seriously than others. And we found the one house that we were like, yeah, okay, this is worth it. We think this is worth it. it's kind of a house that we imagine ourselves in for like three years definitely like a first kid maybe like second baby in the house okay yeah but we're we're excited and it's really all because of you so thank you well you're welcome for the push thanks and then okay but like you guys just with the twins i i i am more mind boggled every day about how you do it like three kids under the age of three. Yeah. And like, what's, what's your life like? How, how do you do it? Do you ever, like, break down and cry? Is it always worth it? I mean, I'm definitely getting vasectomy. Amazing. But I mean, no, it's worth it. It is worth it. It's just, I think this is kind of like

I feel like a lot of parents, they say this little term called like a season of life. Like this is just a very difficult season of life. I love them so much. And it's just when we're away from them or even when they go to bed, we're on our phones looking at pictures of them. So we're obsessed, obviously. Yeah. But it is a very difficult season to get through the late nights. And sometimes they don't sleep.

And it's just you never really can have a solid plan. You have to be adaptable all the time so that you can. handle it you know some nights were crying so sometimes i want wine but i can't because i know i'm going to get up seven times the middle of the night so have to be ready i don't know it's just a different uh it's just a different life but it's i wouldn't take it back and i think it's um as a new parent of twins it's really it's it's tough like i never realize how that how tough it would be but it's done for sure okay so when we travel with our dog yeah it's enough like just with our dog in the carrier, I can't imagine having three kids to jog around. So how did you do

Hawaii? Well, you know, we have a YouTube channel and I wanted to document like traveling, like how to travel, but you need all you need all the hands you can get. So like there was no way to get my phone out. You could not vlog this. I can't blog and I need a I need a hand to be able to vlog. No, it's, um, yeah, there's like a bunch of little tips, you know, you can just check everything you can basically. We had so many check bags. I think we had 12 checked bags. But strollers and car seats don't count. So like kid stuff doesn't count towards the check bag number. That's like the kindest thing the airlines have ever done. I know, really. I mean, normally they're just like taking your take your money at every turn. But that is nice. Yeah. I mean, it was just it was

exhausting. But they all did really good. They did better. Just prepare for the worst. And then if it's not terrible and a complete nightmare, then you'll be like, oh, we did it. And it wasn't that bad. Now, you have two girls and a boy. What are the difference between sexes? Oh, girls are so much more work. Really? Okay. So this is good news for me. Our boy, Lux, he's so easy and sweet. And he's like sleeps and eats and that is it. I mean, he's just very chill our girl senna is just like wants to be held all the time she cries more she just is but she's like full of life and is like very interactive with me um but just more work i don't know why i don't know if it changes when they start running around but i heard boys are easier in the beginning and then

harder when they get to be like toddlers okay okay i can see that and just lauren's belly this is this is what I've been wondering for the past couple of days. I've like definitely, I'm at six months now. I'm at that point where like, I'm feeling like some pressure. My belly button is starting to pop out, which I thought for some reason I was going to be immune to, but like now it's like there. And I was thinking about Lauren and how she carried two kids on her tiny frame. Like, how uncomfortable was she those last three months?

She actually was, I would say, more unprofit. comfortable with Alessie. And I don't know why. Maybe it's because she knew what to expect the second time around. But yeah, her, yeah, I don't know. I think that would be more of a question for her, but she, she's like super mom. I don't know. She's, she does pregnancy in a way that's just beautiful. And I think she looked gorgeous the whole way throughout. The sleeping at the end is just was really hard for her. And that was about kind of the big thing that stuck out, you know. Oh, well, bless her. That is very nice. My last question for you, Ari, before we get into the episode, is about your vasectomy.

Is it planned? Because that's a great headline. Okay. Yeah, I mean, we were in Hawaii, and it was really challenging because Hawaii doesn't have postmates. They don't have grocery stores that are open late. They basically, it's like going back in time, 30 years. I don't know what it is. So it was hard with the twins because there was just less like help. Like you did like right now, it's like I don't want to cook dinner. I just order postmates. There you go to a grocery store, which for us was like a 20 minute drive. And it was like very difficult. And this is when you decided. Yes. At that point we were like, this is it. This is it. My parents aren't here to help. You know, we just like we just felt a little bit like overwhelmed.

And so we decided, I think, as a couple, that three is enough. I think we're so happy because we have our boy. We have the two girls. And I'm already 40, guys. I can't be having kids any later than this in life. I want to be like an active dad. So I think three is okay. Yeah, I think three is great.

All right. Well, we are going to take a quick break. And then we're going to get the musical guest from this. week, Caroline Jones on the podcast, and ask her all about the chemistry between Jamie and Michelle. Hi, my name is Enya Humanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD, Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness,

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All right, guys, we have Caroline Jones, a country music singer and songwriter and radio host. Her most recent album, Bear Feet, was released in March 2018. and she just made an appearance during last night's date with Jamie and Michelle. Hello, Caroline. Welcome to the podcast. Hi, Ashley. How are you? I'm so good.

How are you? I'm really good. Thanks. Great. So are you a Bachelor fan by any chance? I am. Not quite as much as my sisters. I've been kind of trailing behind for the past few years.

But yeah, it's very exciting. It's been something that we've watched to. before so amazing so did first of all I want to say that you did incredible thank you so much I loved your performance you have such an amazing voice was it how different was it singing in front of them and being sort of in that I guess production space instead of being you know in a typical setting yeah on a stage in front of a crowd right you're really performing for someone's very intimate moment which is also being you know filmed so it's a very unique circumstance i've never done anything quite like that and i'm a super romantic person by nature um and so for me it was very

heartwarming it was very exciting it was because we we soundtracked a lot before um before they came in and so we were kind of ready to go and they'd been on their date and he'd gotten the rose and so it was a very very special moment for them i know and obviously for for me and my band. You sang the song Chasing Me, which, yes, just like already said, I loved it. And it comes off of your new album Antipods,

which was released last Friday. So what's the timing on that? Like, wow, how great. I know. Well, actually, we announced the album last Friday. The full album, Antipides, will be out November 12th. Okay. Well, still. So I'm really excited. Timely. Yeah. And this song is really, really special

to me. I wrote this song a few years ago. about the kind of love that I always envisioned for myself and the kind of man that I always wanted and the kind of romantic values that I was raised with that I really still believe in. I'm a little old-fashioned that way. And actually, it's funny. When the song first came out, it was almost three years ago. And I remember talking to my sisters and trying to like manifest getting it on The Bachelorette. Because we just thought of a perfect song.

Yeah, because he's chasing me. and all those values and all those kind of romantic dreams and fantasies. It's all encapsulated in this show. So it's just so cool that that dream came true. That's amazing. And how long have you been singing for? I've been singing since I was like 10 years old, really young. And I've been singing professionally since I was, you know, out of high school and into college.

And writing my own songs and producing my own records and just slowly building a grassroots career. in country pop. And the past few years, I've been able to get a lot more of a platform and a lot, grow my fan base quite a bit thanks to Zach Brown band and Jimmy Buffett and Kenny Chesney and Faye Philinton McGraw and folks have taken me on tour and really like taking me under their wang and introduced me to their audiences. That's so cool. Hopefully this sort of gives you a whole new audience now that they've seen you on. I know. It's very exciting. It's a, it's a very real phenomenon bachelor nation you know yeah um it's a very dedicated fan base um and so i feel very honored to have that kind of platform to share my music you know which is my heart and soul just like

michel's bearing her heart and soul um on this show i love that you're just like a true romantic and that you manifest and you manifested it to be on the bachelorette and then it was so how it's so cool how was the date like was it the date that you always imagined the song to be played to like did they have the chemistry that you were hoping they'd have yeah and the set that they created was so beautiful like i remember walking into it way before this was like hours before um michel walked into it but um it was just so beautiful i mean the the art team there and the like the sets that they create and the ambiance they create is so magical and And then, you know, we, you don't know when they're coming exactly because they're obviously on a date and their dinner went a really long time. And so we're all there in anticipation. It was really sweet. Yeah, I loved it. Wait, you didn't answer the question though.

We need to know. Was there, was there chemistry? Did you feel their love for each other? Did you feel it? Well, it is the second episode. So I'm not sure if love is the right term yet. Right. But I definitely felt some sparks for absolute sure.

There was definitely chemistry there. There were definitely sparks there. And they're both very, very sweet. Did you get to chat with them afterward? Yeah, I did. I got to chat with them a little bit. And they're both great. And I saw Michelle actually earlier in the day.

It's like a very interesting filming process and dynamic. Because of COVID, we had to be like really careful coming in in quarantining and because they're like a real bubble, you know. But I did get to see her earlier in the day and she's great. She's really smart. I really like her. Amazing. I think you touched on the art team and production and how they create such an amazing scenario

and an amazing set and amazing, I guess, a place to fall in love. And it is interesting. I think seeing that from behind the scenes, you don't really. realize how much work is put into that side of the show. And they are really like the unsung heroes to make The Bachelor look and feel romantic as it is. And just having your music laid on top of that. It's just like, I sing on the cake, you know, it's really cool. Yeah, it is.

And when they were there, they'd also put together a whole amazing pool party. And, I mean, they pull out all the stops for this show. And it really, like you say, adds the experience of the convenience. contestants and obviously of Michelle. But it really added to my experience, too, because to perform in a setting like that is just puts you in the right space, you know? Lots of fans ask if performing

is awkward at all for the two people. We kind of touched on this before, but is it weird? Just like watch two people kiss in front of you as you sing? Not really. I think I'm just so romantic. But I think it was a little, I'll say, this. The only moment that's a little bit, I wouldn't say awkward, but a little bit jarring is

like when they first walk in. You're like, oh, my God. You remember when you were in church and you're like, oh, my God, what if I just like burst out laughing or like scream or something? You know what I mean? Like, I had that kind of feeling. I was like, because it's like the moment that they're building up to and then they walk in and there's the reveal and you're playing your song. And I was like, what have I just break character? Like, what have I just made a mistake? But it was great. Once they got in and, you know, got cuddly on, you know, during the song. And it was, it was very sweet. I loved it. And they'd been on a really, I mean, as you see on the show, they've been on a great date that whole day. So they were really in a, in a special, like, kind of vibe together. Now, I don't know if you've seen the episode yet, have you? Okay. Well, towards the end of the episode, Jamie is a little bit vilified. So I got to know if that surprises you, just based on the little bit you got to know of him.

It actually does surprise me because he seemed so sweet. But I don't know. I'll let you know after I see it tonight. They won't let me see it ahead of time. So as soon as I see it, I will get back to you. All right. Well, Caroline, thank you so much for being here. So if people want to get the song that you performed on the show, Chasing Me, is it available on Spotify and Apple Music?

Yeah, Chasing Me is available on all platforms, the music videos on YouTube and it stars Cody Walker. That's a very romantic video. If you're a Bachelor Nation member, you'd like that video. And yeah, it's all available and you can pre-order my album,

The Antipities now. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you, guys. What a pleasure. Bye. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.

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and my mom is a cousin. So like it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. Well, 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage.

now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Janica Lopez, and in the new season of the Overcover podcast, I'm taking you on an exciting journey of self-reflection. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time? I wanted to be successful on my own, not just because of who my mom is.

Like, I felt like I needed to be better or work twice as hard as she did. Join me for conversations about healing and growth. Life is freaking hard. And growth doesn't happen in comfort. It happens in motion, even when you're hurting. All from one of my favorite spaces, The Kitchen. Honestly, these are going to come out so freaking amazing. Be a part of my new chapter and listen to the new season of the Overcumper podcast

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We're not doing that this season. Oh. Well, this season, we're leveling up. Each episode will feature a special bestie, and you're not going to want to miss it. Get in here. Today we have a very special guest with us. our new super secret bestie is the diva of the people. The diva of the people.

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Listen to the new season of Grasas Has Come Again as part of My Cultura Podcast Network on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, Ari, it is my favorite time of the podcast. Time to break down the episode. We got episode two, and I thought it was so much better than episode one. praise praise um but you didn't watch episode one this is the first episode you've watched a year but the thing is like the first episodes never like no no it's you have to get through the first one and meet everyone to build sort of the I don't know build up to the second

right second episode it's always when it kicks off for me at least uh-huh I completely the intros are kind of like I don't know antiquated too formulaic they need to They need to mix it up. I've even told the producers to their face. I'm like, you guys, night one, you need to read, you need to redo something. Just drags on. Yeah. Jared has a good idea for a future season to have 15 cast members to just have 15, but like for them to be like the prime ones.

So we don't have anybody forgettable, like anybody that you just know is going to be eliminated in the first few episodes. Yeah. Really get to know everyone. Anyway, okay, so let's get into part one, which is basically the first group date. And that is a classroom simulation, kind of similar to what, like, Jared and I did on Tasia season. But this makes even more sense because, you know, she's a teacher. They do math.

They do spelling. They do a little chemistry. And the big drama storyline in this is the pizzapreneur. Peter is apparently also like a little bit of a drama queen slash narcissist according to what's his name?

Who's called him a narcissist? When he held up the sign that said what's spell narcissist? Yeah. I forget his name but that was funny. I thought it was funny too. I thought Peter in the first episode was really entertaining and now I

just see he's like kind of a dick. Yeah. What's your take on him? yeah i feel like he has a villain vibes he's going to stick around for a couple episodes because he's going to make the show interesting i think is there anything else that stood out to you about that that scene that date yeah oh the scene not really i mean i feel like he did come across like over aggravated and i don't know defensive um but i feel like the date overall was really cool I thought the kids were really switched on and funny. I feel like fifth graders are way smarter than I remember.

And I would have totally bombed on the spelling as well. The spelling was tricky. With protein, I was like, I before E. I'm like, okay, yeah, okay, that is how you spell protein. Then that drama between the two of them kind of carries on to the night section of the date. Michelle ends up hearing the fight and then she pulls Peter aside and says like hey if that's how you deal with drama

just by like yelling like I don't know if this is going to be if you're like the kind of person for me she kind of gives him a slide but the big standout towards the night portion was Brendan who he's like Mr. Suave right?

Yeah very smooth. I can't spell but he's smooth Yes. He doesn't have like a lot to say other than like the flirty lines. I can't say I like really know the guy. But he, he's he's um, he's um, wooing her. Yeah, you could tell that she was feeling him. One thing I noticed throughout the episode, which I picked up on her. She's a very, she leans in during all the conversations, which is like very inviting for men. You know, she's not sitting back or sitting straight or proper. She's a very, like very engaged. Yes. I felt like she could kiss the guys at any moment. Like they had the invitation. Yes. I was like, is she like leaning in? And you're like, no. I think she's just talking that way. And then I was like, I felt like she wanted to kiss everybody there. Me too. Me too. Rick was somebody who I was actually surprised that she was down to kiss. He showed up last week in a room service tray and his face was like in a salad plate you probably you may have

seen that no so like i don't know that his like entrance his night one was like the sexiest thing to her but then they played mad libs and and she went in for it or he went in for it and she was cool with it yeah i mean kudos you know i like it i like it as a former kissing bandit i like it There was one guy who we didn't see a lot of in this group date, who I think might have like an ego thing. Like he thinks he should have been seen a lot during the group date. And that was Romeo. He said something about having his degree from Harvard in mathematics. I think that guy just, I think he just thinks that he's the cat's meow.

I like the contestants that just kind of fly under the radar that are like confident. don't like make too many waves those are usually the ones that make it far you know just quietly confident no i i agree with you there there's a couple guys that i just they they seem to really not want to involve themselves in drama as if they've actually watched the show before like these guys are like i'm not going to spend my time uh talking about that or confronting so and so like i'm here for michel i'm like oh these guys know what they're doing this season. Yeah, well, I mean, you watched enough of it.

You kind of pick up on the transcript. Yeah. All right. So the first one-on-one is with Jamie. And Jamie definitely made an impression on night one. Jamie's whole story arc during this episode was kind of fascinating to me. It kind of made the episode. So when he first gets the one-on-one date card, everybody starts kind of like Hayden on him.

They put the scary music behind him because he says something like, I've got to figure out whether Michelle is compatible for me, whether she could do my lifestyle. And the guys are like, what? Why would you ever question such a thing? You should be worshiping her. And I was like, hey, hey, hey, I may not be getting the greatest vibes from him. And maybe I'm susceptible to the music.

I try not to be. But this is a fine thing to contemplate and a fine thing for you to go into a day trying to figure out. It's probably healthy to think that way, too. That's how you would think in a regular situation. So for him to have those questions, I think it also would lead to a more normal conversation between two people, you know, you don't want to put someone on a crazy pedestal and then try to live up to them.

You want to see if you're a match. 1,000%. Yeah, it's a good approach. I was like, this guy's just being normal. I like it. then they go on the date to Joshua Tree. They climb. They climb. That looks

hard. That looked like a very tough physical date. Yeah, I look cool. Yeah. Michelle is in such good shape and she's so freaking pretty. And I could like just like look at her all day, but that's on a different note. And they get to the top

and they're really feeling each other. They, Jamie says like doing things. what relationships are all about. He's helping her climb. He's being a good guideer. Michelle just likes the way that he's like handling the date, like as a great support system.

Yeah. Anything else to say about that? Normally I have to be the one to, I don't know, boost my partner out. He took lead, took the lead on it. So yeah, that's cool. Yeah. So I'm like, okay, okay, they like each other. And then I continue to feel the chemistry over.

dinner and even though like okay i don't know what it is about him but i like have some red flags and like weird feelings do you yeah like i did at that point and i was like why am i feeling this he's not really letting anything on to warn it maybe just because he dropped like a huge bomb on his backstory in his life no but it was before the conversation don't you think maybe he's like had that in the back of his mind like he was so he like to you the viewer maybe you thought he was withholding something okay he was just like scared to like reveal you know what makes him him and his past could be could be okay so i don't know i remember i don't know i remember when i was a contestant i feel like that first date you know producers are like okay you got to tell you know

tell them your whole yeah life story because this could be the last time you have dinner with her and that whole buildup is a kind of tense, you know, I don't know. I didn't get that vibe. Okay, well, that's good. No, I like, like different perspectives, especially with him and his storyline right now. Okay, so yeah, they sit down and they talk about how she just had the best upbringing and, like, great relationship role models.

And then he says that he, you know, had the complete opposite. You know, his dad wasn't exactly in the picture. And his mom was so hands-on, so great until about 12 or 13, when she kind of got hit by like mental health issues and eventually led for him to like not always be at school him and his sister like trading off

having to take care of the mom and be home like basically on suicide watch turns out she ends up committing suicide when he's 24 is just like the most heartbreaking story like I just was very like I was on a plane and just like my hands are on my head just like oh my gosh this poor guy my mouth it's terrible so sad so sad it's just really like i don't know it's like where do you go after that conversation go home and cry you know what

i mean i don't know it's like it kind of ended it was like a very somber i mean obviously it's somber but it was almost too heavy like i know there's always like heavy backstories and you want to spill your guts on that first day but i'm like dang could a way to a little longer for that conversation. That was a heavy one. Michelle says that she was proud of what he's come through and to carry all that weight as a young person

and she's amazed by how he's been able to navigate through all that. She says she's beyond impressed. And he says that he loves that she like didn't say like, I'm sorry but like sees how it impacted the man that he became. But then after that,

we we go into they do pivot they get out of that more tragedy wait what was the more tragedy the next step the next is a group date but the lead in is talking about how the coach has passed right yes so now you're going from one sad thing I was so sad in the middle of the episode because just went from one sad thing to another sad thing yeah lead up to the group date And I was interested at the fact that they let him be on the phone with his mom. How do you think that went down? Because one, of course, the guys don't have phones, which means that the mom would have had to reach out to a producer. And did you like ever give your parents or family member producer info before leaving?

Yes. I did. I remember I called my dad on his birthday. Yeah, I did that too. little things like that. But not a lot of communication, very limited, always with a producer next to me. But I feel like if there's a depth of someone who's very close to you, I feel like that's kind of like, we got to let them know, you know?

Yeah, I totally agree. Yeah, I could see how they, how they, you know, gave him the phone to be able to talk to his mom about that. But yeah, that was that. We're talking about Joe, and Joe is the guy that Michelle had DMed. about a year or so ago because they both were very involved with the basketball community in Minnesota

and then of course it leads into a basketball date I mean how did that even how did that even happen because these dates are planned in advance I mean there are no coincidences in Bachelor world I feel like they were like we got to do a basketball date

right you're like let's make a court maybe I'm a conspiracy theorist but they're like we got to get a basketball date so that we can have this tie in somehow. So now we get to the basketball court and we see Joe and Michelle hitting it off immensely on like the warmups, right? It's like nobody else is in the room because they just want to talk about Minnesota basketball and they just want to play one on one.

Yeah. Yeah, I feel like the date was, I don't know, like I said before, I'm a little bit of a conspiracy theorist. I'm like, I feel like they just put that together last minute. I don't know. It was all for Joe. Like, even if the coach didn't pass away that week,

they wanted Joe to be the star of the group date. And I wanted Joe to be the star of the group day. So it worked out, you know? Why? Why did you want the star? Because he was having a bad, sad time? Yeah. Why not? You know, if he's a good person.

And, you know, I think that's a, it just, just as a nice little, put a little bow on that whole little group date, you know. And you didn't even know that the two of them DM'd and that he ghosted her. No, I didn't know that. I might formulate it. I would have formulated a different opinion at that point. Interesting. Just because I didn't know that.

Well, then I wouldn't be so stoked that he, you know what I mean? That he got the time and got the basketball day and then got the group date rose. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I see both sides. I think that he has a couple little red flags there, but I also feel like she likes him too much for, like, us to say she shouldn't go with her feelings.

There's something like kind of dust in there. I don't know. There's something in there. Yeah, there's something there. All right. So they play, you know, group on group basketball, blue team versus red team. And the red team ends up losing, even though Joe is on that team. The blue team wins.

And so therefore, they get to go to the after party. But of course, because Joe must be the star of the group date, there's a little exception. He's MVP of the day. And the MVP gets to go to the nighttime portion of the date. And I don't think in real life, I don't think the MVP is ever on the losing team. I know. That's what the guys are pointing out. That guys are like, this doesn't add up.

You know, I tell them, everyone's like, this doesn't add up. No. So Joe and Michelle have their little romantic sit down one-on-one time, and they talk about how basketball was their first love. And Joe ends up talking about how he found out that day that his coach had passed away. And, you know, he says that I feel like you understand this in a way that a lot of people wouldn't. And she does understand the impact that a coach can have on a player's life. life, like on and off the court.

Did you ever have a coach like that? Do you replace sport? I mean, like with NASCAR? Yeah, with racing. You don't really have. I mean, no, because I didn't really play too many like ball and stick sports, but I can see how a coach, especially in a young person's life, could be hugely inspirational and obviously like a father figure in a way.

So I could see that. No, I haven't had that experience myself. Well, you feel the tension, but like the sexual tension between them. They end up kissing. And then you just kind of know that he's definitely going to be getting this group date. The other guys that are worth mentioning about the group date is probably Nate, who got the first impression rose last week. They, they just kind of have it. He says that he's happy that he's there and that opposites attract since he's bad at basketball.

And he says that he feels like not a lot of the other guys have the connection that him and Michelle have. He thinks he's getting the rose, but we all know you don't get the first impression rose and then go on to get the next group date rose. And he felt a little slighted too when they, you know, panned over to him. He was like kind of surprised. Yeah, yeah. I love looking at the other guy's faces when they don't get the rose and they expected to. Yeah. I do hate how, I don't know if she did this, but there's like, when you're the bachelor or, you know, you're kind of asked to go around the room and say like, Ashley, you were great today, you know, but, you know, if you've never been on a group date, the first person you talk to you, they think they're going to get it. So maybe she was like, you know, Nate, I,

really feel a connection with you, you did great today. And then she went around the room. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yep. Because that's like one of those things to get those awkward reactions on camera. Now looking back like in hindsight's 2020, I knew what they were. So true. You know? And then they just kind of how they want. But it's always the reactions are always the best. But that sort of leads in. And that's why you get those reactions too sometimes. I never thought of it like that. But that's so true. You know, if you're, I've never been on a group date. You don't know.

You think the first person I'm going to talk to is going to get it, you know? Yes. That's so good. Oh, wow. The only other guy, I think, to talk about during this group date, Rose, is possibly Martin. Martin is the guy with the bleached blonde hair. You have anything to say about him? He's got awesome hair.

Like, I dyed my hair during COVID. Yeah. I mean, we're still kind of in COVID. I might maybe I'll die it again. But I just thought, like, his hair was, like, the perfect amount of bleach in there. The haircut was on, was fire. He's got a great barber that guy. That's all I really have to say.

And I think I dig his style. Yeah. He's kind of like the token commentator. Like, he'll be around to, like, say things. But there won't be any intense chemistry. All in here. All right. All right.

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but maybe have a villainous streak. He hears that Joe had had prior communication with Michelle. He also heard in which we're not super sure that it's related that she was seen with a basketball player around Minnesota. And I thought my like my interpretation of that was that they were the same person at first, that Joe and this basketball player would have been the same person and that he was thinking like, oh, maybe it wasn't just DMing. Maybe like they actually had a relationship before she got on the show. And this guy is like totally advanced in this process. But he also

says, he goes, to the guys, he says, I want to know if anybody has like a leg up here. And then he goes in, tells Michelle, I don't care if anybody else his leg. leg up. That's a leg up. But I, yeah, he's like, because I feel secure in our relationship, but the other guys, they want to know. Right. I was like, oh, okay, Jamie. Interesting.

Yeah. So how do you know, how do they know that Joe has talked to her through Instagram before? How do they know that? How do the guys know that? How does anyone know that? How do you know it? Okay, well, they talked about that. So during the intro, during Joe's intro, she turns, he walks away and she goes,

is your name Joe? And he says, yeah. And then later in the episode, she reveals to like the audience. And she and Joe have a conversation about how she reached out to him on Instagram. And they had a very brief back and forth. Like she said, it's like two messages before he just didn't really say anything else. but because of, you know, their involvement in basketball in Minnesota, like she'd always kind of like known of him and she was like a little intrigue,

which is why she reached out. Ah. Yeah. She fangled over him a little bit. A little bit. And he didn't, he didn't reply. He did reply, but then he gave a lame excuse in episode one about why he like didn't make more of an effort there.

he said he kind of blamed he kind of blamed like the George Floyd movement and just living really close to the epicenter and just feeling all these emotions that he couldn't really sort out and she was like if you didn't think that anybody would don't you think that that's something that I would understand like that's just kind of that's just like not an excuse for me

interesting yeah that's what I mean red flags with him I think like that, because she's like, you're going to ghost me, but you're not going to, like, you've been sure enough to have a conversation about that. Anyway. Okay, so then during this conversation between Jamie and Michelle, she says, is it to the point where these guys aren't respecting me? And then he said, yes, it's getting there. But really, it was only like two or three guys that kind of knew that there were something.

going on with Joe it was not the mass population of men and then when and she gets super emotional about this leaves the the cocktail party it comes back says to the guys you know I just want to clarify what happened between me and Joe it was like literally two DMs we've never met in real life I've never met any of these men in real life like never communicated with them like voice to voice or anything like that and if any of you are like doubting me um and you're then like i'm not cool with that and then walks away and then all the guys are like um what just happened there first off is only a handful new yeah first off had no idea anything but had prior happened with joe and secondly uh who's talking about this who's doubting her who's disrespecting

her and all the guys start asking like who was that who would have possibly said that to her and Jamie does not fess up and what I found interesting about this is that normally

and like I don't want it to come out wrong but normally somebody who has a sad story is relatively protected by the show for a little while but with this we hear a sad story we get emotionally invested into Jamie for a while and then returns you know yeah yeah isn't that

is that that was um I found out a fascinating component of this episode maybe it's because he isn't there for very long could so it's interesting for us right now but then maybe in two weeks we'll be like you know he's gone anyway yeah that could be it or he could linger for a long time and she never she never sees anything bad about him true all right well then uh they skip the rest of the cocktail party there's one thing i do need to talk about though and that was the hilarious moment between her and is it rod is it rodd i don't know i don't know names okay i love how we're still trying to figure out the names i feel like it takes like episode four you're like yeah these are the men exactly but in the beginning you're like what was that

guy's name again i'm not investing myself into learning your name until I know you're sticking around for a while. It was Rodney. And he was a guy, Ari, which last week showed up. And he said he was a Granny Smith apple, but he was wearing a red apple costume. And she was just like, this is not okay. You obviously don't know the differences between apples. And there is a huge difference between apples.

I think I may have said on the podcast last week, but like, I find McIntosh should be absolutely repulsive. And I grew up. with my mom only buying Macintosh apples so I therefore thought I didn't like apples but I do I just hate Macintosh yeah how do you know

how do you not know your apples if you show up to the Bachelorette as an apple I know wait what's your favorite apple the one that's mixed between red and green I forget Fiji no Fiji's good Gala Gala is good I like Honeycrisp Honeycrisp is definitely

Oh, yeah, yeah, true. That's a good one. I think I'm going to go in the fridge and get one right after this. Anything but Granny Smith and Macintosh. Oh, really? I like Granny Smith. They're too far in the spectrum. Okay, okay, yeah.

So, anyway, what she does is hilarious because she has some apples cut up. She's feeding him apples with a blindfold on. And she also, like, feeds him pizza. And he has no idea what's in his mouth. The guy, like, thinks that it's lasagna. he thinks that like the green apple is a red apple and the red apple is a green apple and like it's just a hilarious moment.

I just, I was laughing out loud on a plane and I loved it. Backstory. This guy just had COVID two weeks ago. Can't taste anything. Ford soul. Now that would make sense. All right.

Well, at the end of the road, so we'll get to the rose ceremony because the rest of it was canceled and she sends home Daniel PJ Alec

and I mean we didn't know any of them so oh and Pardip yeah so okay

the guys that we had in question like the pizza panor no he stuck around because of course

he did because he's drama yeah exactly so we all have the people that we are invested in either in a

you know good or bad way they're still here yeah so we'll have to wait and see yeah i feel like she did an amazing job the entire episode she's a great bachelor's so far she's such a good bachelorette the ratings are kind of low right now and i want them not to be

for her i think she deserves people to see how well she handles this role do you feel like it's because she has gone second because there is katie and then michel yeah do you think it's just too much bachelor's for people to handle yes yes yes i do and i really would wish that she would have had Katie's spot. I really do. But, you know, what are we going to do? But I do think a lot of it's bachelor fatigue. There's been a lot of seasons in a row.

Yeah. Okay. I'll tell everyone to go watch. Okay. And then you have to go watch more. Do you have any final takeaways from this episode and what you hope to see in the future for Michelle, anybody that you think, like, is a standout?

Oh, my gosh. Don't do that to me this soon. Um, I won't pick a front runner just yet. I will say that she's doing an incredible job. Um, this is the first episode of scene with Chris Harrison not hosting. And I felt like they also did a great job. Tasha's awesome. Um, so, you know, I think it's, it's worth the watch. I will watch next episode. And then I will give you my thoughts. Oh, I got to watch at least two to pick somebody and to root for them. Right now is a little bit of a mixed bag. Okay. All right, before we sign off, I got to give you the Bachelor Bracket Rule of the Week.

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