The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - The Deal with Devin

Episode Date: September 17, 2024

Ben and Ashley tackle a complicated and unexpected headline in Bachelor Nation! How did Bachelorette winner Devin Strader’s legal issues (and restraining order!!) slip through production?? Ben gives us some insight on how The Bachelor background checks work, as we try to work through the facts of what happened in Devin’s past, and what that means for the future of The Bachelor. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Devin has some serious legal issues in his past. It's a, there's a lot to break down here. So this is a breaking news, almost famous podcast. We're going to start doing these more because it just feels like some of the stuff can't wait to like next week's headlines. And today is definitely one of those days. According to reality Steve, reported by reality Steve, and then broken down a little further by Bachelor data, that's where I'm getting a lot of my information from. But also now an article with Hollywood reporter, which we know is like a very legitimate entertainment news source. Yeah, it's just kind of coming across the airways. But reality, Steve, is we have to give

him credit for being the original one to break this. Because the girl, she's set in him the info, right? The ex-girlfriend, who he has the restraint, that she has a restraining order against Devin. It's a pretty wild story. So here is the story. Devin, who ended up with Jen at the end, and then obviously had his moment on live television that didn't go well for him and then tried to post the 13 mini video that didn't go well for him has now had more news come out here as of the last 24 hours that is also not going well for him and there's a lot of people involved in this actually that we need to talk about that it's not going to go well for but here's the headline bachelor's star devon x had a restraining order against him in 2017 this took place in baton rouge louisiana

Yeah. So it happened back in the college years, 2017. He's 21. Okay. So while having a restraining order out on him, he still came to her door, banged on the door, several times started screaming at her. And then later that evening made a fire out in the street outside of her apartment complex. And apparently made the fire, was lighting the actual restraining order on fire. fire. She also had her tire flattened. And when it was being changed, you know, when like AAA came to change or whatever, Devin came outside and began laughing at her in an obnoxious way. Ultimately, he pled guilty to charges of criminal trespass and symbol criminal damage to property of less than $500. he received one year of unsupervised probation because of this like what like how let's take a pause there just for everybody to process the information they just received so devon um there's three ways i think we should break this down the first let's talk about devon and obviously these actions are so bad and at some level even hard to process, just that he did all of this. But he did this after the restraining order was put on him. Like, what did he do to get the restraining order on him? That was my question for you if we knew what he did. I think we know.

So here's my first way breaking this down. I don't think any of us, anybody out there listening needs us to go into just how terrible these acts are. Because I, um, I think, think that's obvious. He had a restraining over against them, broke the restraining order, and then decided to vandalize and torment this poor woman to a place where obviously there was more law involved. But let's stop for a second outside of that, the obvious, and say, why did Devin go on the show? After knowing that this was out there about him and that this could easily come out in public knowledge? That's my first thought. And maybe that's the incorrect way to think of it, but I'm thinking, all right, dude, you obviously have a past that you shouldn't

not be opening up millions of people, uh, to learn about. So let's, before we talk about how he got on the show, let's talk about his decision to say, yeah, you know what, I'm going to go on this show. Yeah, well, I mean, it's just weird. It's just also proves that he was really hungry for some attention. So hungry for attention that he perhaps didn't mind this coming out about them okay so he like so i want to feel i feel like he like swindled her into love now yeah like originally if i'm honest my thought was he did love her maybe he did still i don't know but he was very into her and that he wanted this to work and it didn't work and he just handled everything past it not working very poorly uh from a respect uh perspective from an adult perspective from showing any

type of maturity. He handled those things poorly. That was how I thought of this whole thing, was he loved her, it didn't work out, and then he handled everything afterwards like a child. Now, with this news coming out, and also his 13-minute video, my perspective has changed to be

he played her this whole time. And I'll add in this, which will probably not be received well the group of men on this season were so bad that he somehow came out on top yeah and especially after seeing the

golden bachelorette and this group of amazing men we can't compare to the two those two cannot even be compared like they can't even they're two totally different categories there's got to be they have the capability of finding great people right they used to the young men

just really suck these days Your husband's a great man. Look at him. I know. They found him. They found you. They found a lot of great people. But like, what is, is it casting that sucks? Or do this generation, which is a decade younger now, a decade has passed since you and Jared were casted. Cast, sorry. Maybe. Devin's six years younger than me. Only six years younger to me.

That's not really generational, is it? No, he's six years younger. me yeah um okay so that's the first thoughts here um this no matter what generation let's be clear no matter what generation what time what era how far we go along this this back uh the backing of what's happened in devon's life is never should never be on the show right like this is not a new generational thing where it's like, yeah, you know what, the new generation just really likes to vandalize cars and break into their exes houses and have restraining orders put out against them and break those restraining orders. Like, that's never going to be okay. So the fact that

he even ended up on the show is wild to me. So that's a transition into talking about how he got on the show. Ashley, you've been on this show. I've been on this show. The amount of effort put into learning about my past and knowing whatever diseases I carried or didn't carry and all the blood work done and all of the investigation done into my history. They knew everything about me. Yeah, they do a full background check, full psychological checkup. Exam. And then, yeah, physical exam. So insane that this would have fallen through the cracks. The restraining order was later sealed. It was sealed, whatever that. I guess that means like the ex was like, okay, I'm over it, whatever. You can pretend it never happened. I don't know. That's pretty generous

after what he did. Then it says, but the burglary for the arrest affidavit, that is still in the public record. So they would have been able to find that, the bachelor, whoever the heck does the background checks. So they would have found that he had a burglary arrest. And if you look into the burglary arrest, it discusses the restraining order. So it really is public record, like all of it. If Reality Steve can find this and however much time it took him, I know. And Reality Steve obviously got tipped off. So he knew he was invested, like, looking into something that was existing because of his ex or whoever that tipped him off on this. But if he can find it, the show can find it with all the resources and the tools that they have available.

So let's talk about this for a second. I have a hard time imagining In fact, I would go as far as saying It's just not possible that the show did not know Of this record I think that I've ever to guess I think that they saw the burglary arrest Which should have been enough to be like, oh, we can't cast this guy

I just think that they probably didn't look into The paperwork that said that it had had to do with the restraining order had been present as well. But how, Ashley? So what you just said was they saw a burglary arrest. Which I'm saying. It's still nuts that they would have been like, okay, you're still allowed on. And that they would allow Jen to end up with him.

Yeah. Like that they wouldn't at some point say, hey, Jen. Yeah. By the way, like this Devon dude, like I know you're into him and he's into you and all this stuff. I mean, they've done that. They did this for me. Where they're like, but like I don't know if she is right for you. Like you need to ask yourself that question.

They could have twisted the story around like top four. Like how did they let this go through and for Jen to enter into this blind to his past? The one thing that I always had trust on as a lead was that the show had my back, one. And I still believe they did. And I still believe they do. even though I question that at times. But they still have my back. And that all of the people that were there that were showing up that they had checked on.

Like that I, you know, like, yes, I needed to learn as much about them as possible. Yes, I needed to ask every question that was available to me in the time that we had to try to understand and learn who they were as people to see if we were a match together. I never once questioned if I had to ask, hey, have you ever been arrested? and if so, for what? Hey, uh, what, you know, outside of everything else, like, have you spent any jail time? Like, that was never even a thought. So we have had people on the show that have had DUIs, you know?

I'd say a number. Now, what's interesting about this legal issue is that this has to do with dating. This has to do with a romantic relationship in which this guy went crazy. Let me be clear. mistakes happen and you learn from those mistakes and I'm hoping there's some grace there to say hey what happened tell us more about this we saw this on your record we saw this when we were like doing the background check tell me a little bit more so to help me understand like what you've learned from that and how you've grown from that and who you are today you the show knows enough about you to know if you've actually grown from this or not I'm not saying that you know mistakes don't happen they do and And I'm not saying that people that have made mistakes and grown from those mistakes should not end up on the show. I mean, look at Zach Clark, for example, right? I mean, the dude has, there's a great example of somebody that has a really bad and hard past and has said, hey, I need to learn from this.

I need to grow from this. And I'm going to help others do that. Zach Clark should 100% be on the show. He is a representative of how we transform as humans. However, Devin, and I would, I mean, I would say, I would love to find. a way that he's represented growth, but nothing about his behavior from the time of the breakup with Jen to now has shown that he's grown from this. The show knew that. They know him. So how does he get through the cracks here? I have really no idea. Ashley, can we go as far as to

say that they set Jen up? You think that they were like, they started the season and they thought this guy is going to get really far and we don't want a happy ending for her? I actually don't think they ever expected Devin to get as far as he did. I think if we talked to them, they'd be like, yeah, we didn't think that was to go through. We've had some issues, you know, as, you know, in the last few years where the bachelors had controversy. And, you know, some were talked about than others. We've had contestants go through controversy. Some were talked about than others.

I don't know what to do with this information other than say we've said it before and casting has had people come on where their background has either been, you know, had a racial, you know, racist bias to it. They have come out and there's been, you know, records reported, post them on the show that people have talked about. This should not ever happen. Like, what is going on, right? Like, how is casting letting these people get through? This season had, and not all of them have been proven true but this season has had and we won't mention names

because they have not been proven true this season had multiple contestants in fact I would say more than four who when you look into their backstory people are coming out fairly valid sources saying this guy is not good news so what happened this season with Jen

we're casting either just turned a blind eye to any background check or they didn't do them in general or they were negligent and just said yeah you know what i see the background check but like you're good i know they have to like hurry through this casting or something did they did the golden bachelor set them back i mean i'm not i'm not even being sarcastic here they really had a full schedule and they were filming the golden bachelor uh yeah the golden bachelor sorry if i said bachelor the golden bachelor around the time that like casting would have taken place.

So I don't know. I mean, there's somebody, there's one person that's like in charge of background checks though. So that just doesn't make sense. Like that's their job, their sole job, I think. Sure. And also, you guys just to throw in there, I'm reading this reality Steve article more thoroughly.

And, yeah, he had a DWI too. Yeah. It's not, he doesn't have a clean record. If it, but if this now the standard, like what is, what is not allowed on the show. If this is all out on the show, then what is, you know, what is not allowed? Typically, I don't love to force anybody's hand to speak because there's a lot of topics that people maybe just don't aren't. I like people to talk and say stuff publicly when they're in the know and when they're knowledgeable and when they're coming from a place that they actually

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is telling Entertainment Weekly. We take the safety of our contestants very seriously and we make every effort to conduct through diligence. As exhaustive as our vetting processes, is this protective order did not service in our searches. Huh? What background checks are you doing then? Reality Steve said that he like has this information confirmed through Louisiana police.

Yeah. Third party that I want to talk about was Jen. If I was Jen, I'd be fuming right now. Yeah. Fuming. Now, granted, I'm, I'm also, you know, she's on Dance with the Stars. I'm hoping she's, you know, healed and recovered and realizing that she dodged a bullet here and that she's like actually going to be in a really good place and that, you know, this breakup,

yes, hard and tough. And then the traumatizing moment of having to watch the bit back on national television with him sitting next to her, all that to be said. If I'm Jen, I'm like really mad. It's so mad. I don't even know how they can't make it up to her. Like even this, Dancing with the Stars doesn't make it up to her. No.

I mean, again, okay, Jen, we'll make it up to you by spending the next three months of your life on a show for us as well. I know. And it's like, it's not like they can be like,

we'll have you on Paradise. And we're like, we'll make sure that you find a love of your life. It's like, she's like, I'm not putting that trust into you guys again. And I'm sorry. I just also want to correct myself.

it wasn't the police that reality Steve has it confirmed by he has spoken to a few lawyers in Louisiana who like obviously can go into the legal records of Louisiana and his record for them yeah Ashley again I have a

this show has been so good to me in so many ways and I always want the show to be its best yeah this is a very um this is just a really dark spot and time for the show

and I hope that they approach it I hope this doesn't just like get pushed into the rug and moved on from like other things have happened you know with the show this for the sake of our trust in the show

as fans and as viewers and as past contestants like this is you know I take you know I want to know that the show does protect their leads and that the people on the show are people who are ready for love and also a good match for the lead.

So the show, I hope, takes this very serious and that this isn't something they just say, yeah, you know what, sorry, we won't even confront it. I want to know what they're doing where their background checks do pull up burglary, vandalism, and restraining orders. I also just want to say, like, I'm going to get to the benefit of the doubt and say that it truly, this is the issue with whoever is doing the background checks. I don't think that they let him on knowing this. I really do. That would be nutty.

And that would make them look bad. And they don't want to look bad. I don't know. Yeah, you're right. I mean, I don't know how to even, like, process. Because they already had issues in the past about, like, letting so and so on. Like, remember Lincoln from Becca season? Yeah.

had some X that was like this is like this guy's not good news kind of creepy whatever and I just that was a every time they have like a casting issue like where somebody has had some sort of record it always makes them like not look that great and people make a big deal out of of of course and I just think that with this like this is like the heaviest of all legal issues that I've heard of from the show and I just. don't think that they would want to have anything to do with it. So I just don't think it was caught. That's shocking. That's shocking to me. If reality Steve can find it, I don't know how the show couldn't find it. What if he gave him, gave them wrong info? What if he, like, gave a wrong security number?

No, like that would come up too. Like, this is the number of so-and-so. Yeah. I don't know, Ash. It's just not good. It's not good. and I feel bad for Jen. As viewers, I'm on edge a little bit.

Like, I don't even know how to, like, really put words to it, but it's that feeling of do I have to now be, not only watch the show and celebrate, criticize, do all that stuff to all these contestants, but also be a little concerned about their background story if, like, they're actually capable of entering into this relationship on national television. that's that's a heavy lift one you know one that I don't know how to answer but it's just not good

and I don't know how it slipped through the cracks and if it did if we're going to give them the benefit of the doubt which I'm not ready to necessarily do because I just don't know how they were so negligent in finding it wouldn't it be even more negligent to put them on knowing that was my point is like I don't there's I don't know it there's nothing good. Like there's no excuse here outside of the failure maybe of the person doing the background check and that person needing to be like asked why and what happened. I just know that from my time for me personally, they knew everything about me. Everything. And I don't know how at this point in the seasons of The Bachelor, they don't continue to know everything about

these contestants because like you said they don't want this controversy is not good for the show well we should ask some contestants that have currently gone through the whole process whether or not they like met with that for us we like met with somebody who to me felt like a criminal background person like that was their sole job right maybe they've left this in charge to somebody like it's always been a third party or something oh it's always been a third party. There you go. It's always been a third party. So maybe they're doing it internally now. And it really did slip through because they're not professional. That's a bad decision. Every background check I've ever had to receive in my life at any level,

this would show up on. Like, this isn't, this isn't, this isn't a, like, there's not a lot of different versions of background checks. Now, there are a few, there's state background checks. There's federal background checks. Like, there's, there's stuff. there's different like criteria for how in depth you go but this would have shown up well i mean it does say that the restraining order was sealed but the burglary should have been there yeah goodness gracious um devon continuing to stay on the headlines uh and at some point he won't i was i was so i'm so embarrassed i was so indled by him goodness actually i have a really bad picker sometimes with when it comes to show guys huh

yeah i do feel like i want to like kind of tell you i told you so because i feel like i've i'm usually semi on top of this stuff like oddly like i am like hey i don't know about this dude and you're like no he's great it all started with jeff home guys i loved jeff home i thought he was absolutely the dreamiest most perfect little boyfriend she could have ever picked And then we've heard so much otherwise. Anyway. Well, at least you did well in your own personal life. Hey, we'll say this.

Not good. Nothing good about it. I am, I'm sad. As I said for Jen, the show needs to, this sounds like something we've said so often. And like typically it has meaning and depth, but like the show needs to do better. We need to know and the leads need to know that this stuff will not be a problem because in your dating life, if you were outside of the show, you would have asked the questions or your hope, like to get to the point where you're like, yeah, this isn't good.

And because you're on the show and you aren't on social media and you don't have access to the internet and you can't research these people and you can't Google the person that you've been dating for a few weeks, you leave it up to the show to do that for you because they take. take that away from you. Yeah. And if you're going to take it away from me and these contestants, then we got to hope that you've done the work to make sure that these people are a good fit. That's the breaking news. That's all we got. There's not a lot else to say about it other than it's not good.

I can't wait to hear from John. Yeah. Goodness. And I hope we get to. Anyways, until next time, I've been Ben. I've been Ashley. See you guys. Follow the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcast on I,

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