The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - The Devin Discourse

Episode Date: November 13, 2024

Ben and Ashley are ready to break down the latest Bachelor headlines, and a familiar name has entered the fray.  Find out what Devin had to say about Jenn’s dance partner on Dancing with the Stars!... But is something REALLY going on between her and Sasha?? Plus, a hard launch that could completely shake up the future of The Golden Bachelor!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.
Starting point is 00:00:25 Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime Podcasts and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? Answer, a new podcast called Wisecrack, where a comedian finds himself at the center of a chilling true crime story. Does anyone know what show they've come to see?
Starting point is 00:00:55 It's a story. It's about the scariest night of my life. This is Wisecrack. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Get fired up, y'all. Season two of Good Game with Sarah Spain is underway. We just welcomed one of my favorite people, an incomparable soccer icon, Megan Rapino, to the show.
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Starting point is 00:02:32 And you get a chance for people to unpack and get beyond race. All the Smoke featuring Michelle Obama. To hear this podcast and more, open your free IHeartRadio app. Search All the Smoke and Listen Now. This is the Ben and Ashley I, Almost Famous Podcast with IHeart Radio. Hey, guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast today. Ben is like, he's in a closet in the woods, he tells me. That's actually a very accurate description of where I sit right now.
Starting point is 00:03:02 I'm at Lost Valley Ranch, which probably some of our listeners have been to. It's a dude ranch in Colorado right now. And so I'm up here hanging out with a few, like, just business people for the next few days, talking about generous. And I cannot miss doing our podcast. So I jumped in the booth to get on here because Ashley years to deal. We got some headwaxed. we got some good headlines today yeah so you want to kick me off i do the first one is this kelsey anderson's dad mark dances with one tree hill star barbara allen woods in cute video
Starting point is 00:03:41 ashley last week during headlines we kind of broke that the two of them had very publicly posted on social media like very much a hard launch from the very start and well it's not stopping no no so if you weren't convinced from the Halloween TikTok or picture that they had together this is really this is confirming to me that they are a couple so just to remind you
Starting point is 00:04:08 Barbara Allen played Nathan's mom on One Tree Hill and she is a few years older than Mark she's 62, Mark's 57 and this is the second post that we've gotten from them in the past two weeks. They
Starting point is 00:04:25 are in this video dancing in front of a romantic brightly lit Christmas tree and she posted this video and the caption said in good company and the kicker here is that Kelsey
Starting point is 00:04:40 seemingly sent in her seal of approval commenting the words well the word aw underneath the video in the in the comments so Mark is off the market this is this is big news for mark good news for mark um we're happy he's happy because honestly
Starting point is 00:05:00 that's all we've ever wanted it was for mark is to be happy right that is true we did not need him to be the golden bachelor it's just crazy that my two front redders for golden bachelor have basically hard launched yeah we're going to talk about jonathan and his hard launch in just a second but before we do ashley i want you to explain to me and remind me of the backstory here but here's the headline bachelor paradise is avon and kiley they seemingly reunite in mexico after reconciliation and split now if i remember right we had a headline a few months ago about how kiley kind of came out very much against even um kind of getting upset with him and now they're reuniting again tell me what's going on here well you and i kind of missed that back in june she was
Starting point is 00:05:52 on the Happy Hour podcast. And she admitted that she and Avin had kind of reconciled, but at the point that she was on the podcast, they had already split again. So it was kind of like non-news. But here they are again, six months after the recording of that podcast. And they were both spotted at the same resort in Cabo. Although they were spotted together at the airport. But they were, they both posted pictures from the.
Starting point is 00:06:22 the resort in Cabo. So it was a birthday trip for him. It just seems like they're revisiting this relationship for the third time. I mean, Ashley, what do you think about this? Is this, like, what do you think's going on behind the scenes here that's making the two of them go, yes, you still are the right person for me? I think it's hard for you to give credit to the relationship the third time. Okay. The second time makes, like, I understand this.
Starting point is 00:06:52 second time. You're like, oh, you know what? Redo, especially because he totally effed up, like he pretty much publicly admitted to cheating on her. Soon after getting off a Bachelor in Paradise, they weren't engaged, but they were in a serious relationship and she was moving to San Diego for him. So that's that. I just, I don't know. I think that if you just keep revisiting the same thing, like obviously there's probably like an insane physical attraction between the two of them and I'm sure there's a lot of love too but I don't know that I could say that it's like going to last the long term it's an interesting situation we'll be tracking it I mean we'll be following it we wish we had a paradise to to follow it a little closer well
Starting point is 00:07:38 Ashley a lot of conversations this week I'm going to tie kind of all of the Jintran headlines into one if we can't hear we can we can we can we can We bring up the fact that you were the one that caught first and sent to the group message, all of Devin's, his responses to people, because he was in a sassy mood the other day in his comment section. I would not just say a sassy mood. I would say, like, like, sassy, I think has a side of it that's like intelligently responding and you're like kind of getting at people. like I'm sassy and I'm kind of dissing people and like track you know getting them where they're at these were just like outrageously weird comments like he was mad and he was saying stuff that didn't make any sense but the headline is this jinn gives credit to sasha her dance with a star's partner for grounding her during kind of the breakup and the aftermath of her season of the bachelorette obviously then from some of the videos posted this week that of jinn and sasha which is the not uncommon. They've been posting a lot together since their time on Dance with the Stars. Devin says, hey, you know what? I want to do tonight. I want to cause some more like issues.
Starting point is 00:08:58 And so here's the headline that's very interesting. Gen Trans X. Devin Strader throws shade at her dancing with the stars partner, Sasha amid romance rumors. Here's the crazy part. Devin's big comeback to Sasha at the beginning is Sasha's a girl's name. Well, Devin's a girl's name. I have friends her name devon i know the name sasha could go either way and so can the name devon so it is ironic that he used that as the disc but that was in response to a comment that he got on november 9th um on an instagram post where it said jen found a great name great guy his name is sasha he said sasha's a girl's name and then i was interested to see that sasha actually responded to this he said the name sasha is short for Alexander you know who also had the name Alexander Alexander the great FYI okay you didn't even
Starting point is 00:09:54 have to do that Sasha is kind of don't give him any attention and it just seems like a corny response my opinion he would have been cooler leaving it alone I think it's also worth mentioning that in this spree of comments that he was sending off like he called one person fat I think yeah He cut one person fat. I mean, this was all outrageously odd behavior. And then somebody said, oh, wow, Devin's spiraling in the comment section. And then he and then in response to somebody saying that Jen was killing it when she and Sasha arrived at the wicked premiere together, he responded under this saying jobless supporting jobless. alluding to the fact that like
Starting point is 00:10:43 the person responding was jobless and then Jen is also jobless is like is he like on drugs like none of this is true I mean Jen just finished dancing with the stars she just got to pay it a lot of money yeah it's a lot of money for not having a job yeah I mean you're making money
Starting point is 00:11:00 like he's she's doing something on television it's it's just it feels like he's hurting and so I think we have to acknowledge that he is hurting this is not good behavior behavior. Sasha never needed to respond. Nobody here is going, you know what, Devon's right. Like this, he is spot on. It, uh, it's just odd that Devin continues to pop up and like dig himself a bigger and bigger hole. You've never, I've never seen somebody consistently come into the public light and just dig
Starting point is 00:11:31 bigger holes. Like, I didn't think it could get bigger. But yet he found a way to dig a bigger hole for himself. I know. And to think that we thought he was kind of fading away, certainly was like, like, hello, I'm still here with this activity. And I'm not going to say anything nice. I'm going to continue to be just mean. And that's going to create a headline that I need. Oh, and one more comment. Somebody said, like, one of the things that he said,
Starting point is 00:11:58 he said, hey, shut the F up. This is my Instagram. Yeah. I mean, I think she could probably say the same thing back to him then. Like, it's my Instagram, too. we're both doing this weird game on Instagram yeah we're both there both doing it I don't know Ash it's it's a very weird situation
Starting point is 00:12:19 and it continues to get weirder well let's um speculate okay let's just create some drama here do you think that Sasha and Jen have anything more than friendship yes no question why do you think this so he split with Emma Slater one of his Dancing with the Stars co-stars I want to say it was about a year ago
Starting point is 00:12:40 that they announced their divorce. And so of course they're going to pair her with somebody single and they have been out in about a little bit more together than your average pair that has already been eliminated from the show. Okay. Yeah, so you were certain.
Starting point is 00:12:59 Why were you so certain? I just, I mean, I think it goes to my theory that at some point when you're both too attractive people who are single, like you can be friends I'm not saying you cannot be friends but when you're out hanging out together all the time like there's there's something else going on yeah like she's hanging out at his house she's doing TikToks at his house um I just think when you're around each other there's got to be some physical attraction I'm not saying they're dating I'm not saying it's a committed relationship
Starting point is 00:13:29 what I am saying is like I'm sure there's been a lot of flirtation leading up to maybe some handholding Can I say that like I don't even know how attracted you have to be to the person to find yourself attracted to them when you're dancing. So it's ultimately so often. Yeah. Right? Yeah. It like may not be your type, but you can find yourself attracted. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:13:50 Well, I mean, I think dancing is just, you know, we've talked about with Joey and his partner on Dance with the Stars. Like I think it is like you want to get close to your partner. You want to find the chemistry. And I think when you're on Dancing with the Stars, I think oftentimes for two single. people. I mean, we saw it with Sasha and Emma, right? There was something that sparked from that environment. Um, and why, you know, if it's his job, if it's where he's spending a lot of his time, why would we be ones to question if it could happen again? Well, also with Val and Jenna. So Val and Jenna, they're two stars of dancing with the stars and they got married.
Starting point is 00:14:31 And what I think is really sweet is that Joey requested that he be paired with somebody, a partner from the show, who also was in a serious relationship because he didn't want rumors swirling about a possible relationship or like there to be problems with Kelsey because of the dancing partner. And that's who he got paired with, Jenna. But even though he got paired with somebody married with child, there's still rumors that possibly dancing with the stars is coming between he and Kelsey. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam.
Starting point is 00:15:18 Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast. So we'll find out soon. This person writes, has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now hold up, isn't that against school policy?
Starting point is 00:15:37 That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Starting point is 00:19:54 a comedy club, a new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Bachelor's Kelsey Anderson addresses Joey relationship status amid personal issues, and those are in quotes. That is from Kelsey that she says there's personal issues. Ashley, can you please expand on this?
Starting point is 00:20:31 Okay. So she just went off social media. She said that she was like, you know, it's time to watch the election results. Like, I'm here with a glass of wine. You know, let's just like take a step back. But she did say that like there was some personal reasons that did not pertain to Joey, which was why she was just offline for a little bit. But then she did kind of give shade to people who are talking about dancing with the stars coming in between them and their relationship. She said, Kelsey, why is Jenna touching your man like that? Honestly, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:21:13 Maybe it's because it's her job. Maybe it's because she's a professional dancer and she has to touch him to dance. I don't know. That's my understanding of it. She goes, I'm just so tired of everyone being like, Kelsey's so strong. I couldn't do this. I could not watch this if I were Kelsey. She goes, let's do a little recap here. This is a TikTok video, by the way. She said, do you remember how Joey and I met?
Starting point is 00:21:37 We met on The Bachelor. He was dating 31 other women while he was dating me. And I won the Super Bowl ring. So, yeah, she is definitely clearly saying that it's not dancing with a SARS that's bothering her right now. Well, we wish Kelsey the best because Kelsey obviously, it's been a wild ride. We know that no matter what, I'm not saying or even insinuating the Dancing of the Stars is getting between them, but we know that Dancing with the Stars is really hard on couples. No matter what, even if you've been married for 20 years, it's a lot of time away. It's a lot of stress. It's a lot of
Starting point is 00:22:12 physical activity. You're tired. And so this ride for Kelsey since her time on The Bachelor has been a lot of kind of like you know supporting joey which is awesome it's so cool that he has these opportunities but we hope that at some point here they can both take a breather and get back to just being a happy couple and guess what they've been a happy couple for one year today let's go congratulations anniversary to them it was today a year ago that they got engaged and before we leave kelsey and joey i do want to make a couple more comments about her dad um with his new boo barbara um Kelsey does follow her on Instagram should be mentioned.
Starting point is 00:22:52 And she is actually recently single. She split up with her husband, John, after more than 20 years in May. All right. Moving on to the next headline again, Juicy.
Starting point is 00:23:06 Well, two final headlines here. Golden Bachelorette's Jonathan Rohn found his second chance at love with girlfriend Michelle. Now, we brought it up a second ago. Obviously, one of Ashley's absolute favorite. from this golden bachelorette season and he's now
Starting point is 00:23:23 announcing that he's got a boo he does and I think he's saying I love you he said so I dropped the bomb I started my journey looking for love a love that is a forever love this is what he captioned
Starting point is 00:23:38 and then he goes a love I thought I once had but this was my second chance so I went all in with no walls to protect my vulnerability and I had no other intentions than that. This journey can be full of expectations, but the unexpected happened and the bomb
Starting point is 00:23:57 is the second chance I've been looking for. Either he said, I love you to his girlfriend, or he refers to her as the bomb, because he continues to say, I'm happy to say that Michelle is truly my bomb. And thank you for all the support and kind words, Bachelor Nation. Do we know what, like, that exactly means? The bomb?
Starting point is 00:24:17 Yeah. I don't know what he means by this. I thought it was like something the kids were saying these days that I don't know about. Oh, I guess it could be. And we're somewhere lost in between where a 60-something-year-old Jonathan gets it and we don't. Yeah. I wouldn't be shocked, Ashley. I'd actually not be shocked at that.
Starting point is 00:24:35 Oh, yeah. It's so funny. It's an interesting nickname. Yeah, nothing else. It's a very interesting nickname to call somebody you love the bomb, my bomb. You blow everything up. I don't know what exactly that could be insinuating. But, hey, he's in a relationship.
Starting point is 00:24:52 Well, final head. The Golden Bachelorette, Pascal, would ask for younger women if he was the Golden Bachelor. Well, at this point, Ashley, here's the deal. He would have a really good shot at being the Golden Bachelor. I mean, you got not a lot of guys left and not a lot of guys left without a restraining order. this is true facts ben this is directing me to think that it's a possibility that charles really could be our next bachelor i would love it best ratings ever it would be a totally different show but if you want what people love from the show and that is it's endearing quality like you couldn't you're going to have an endearing bomb with with charles did you just use the word bomb yeah on purpose is this something we're going to start
Starting point is 00:25:45 saying here. Well, I just said it in reference to our last headline. Okay. Yeah. All right. So, yeah, Pascal, I don't know that he's doing himself any favors with this. No, he's definitely not. I almost think that with this headline alone, he has eliminated
Starting point is 00:26:01 himself from Golden Bachelor contention. He says they will have to lower the age. The age has got to be lower. Yes, I'm old, but I don't go out with a this is his quote a 72 year old woman he goes when you're in your 20s like joey and
Starting point is 00:26:23 kelsey you don't have a pot to pee in you don't have a mortgage you don't have a home you rent you don't have a car you take uber your infinite jobs you're trying to find an identity um i think we are now beyond his explanation as to why he would need younger women but that was part of his ramble as to um just like his standpoint on the show. But he goes, like, I have my business. I have my home. I have my real estate.
Starting point is 00:26:51 My friends, my kids, my health club, my restaurant. So I think with this show, so to sum it up, this is not a direct clue anymore, but he's like, I'm going to stay in the Chicago area. I think that it should be the Golden Bachelor of New York, the Golden Bachelor of LA, the Golden Bachelor of Miami, Dallas, blah, blah, blah, blah. He said, you definitely can find me. like 25 widows or divorcees in this area because he just he's just trying to insinuate that
Starting point is 00:27:22 he would need to that the golden usually prefers to stay closer to home totally I want to know more about him needing younger women though how much younger sir that would be a good question to ask how much younger well we have to get him on order to have his daughter back on And she'll tell us.
Starting point is 00:27:47 It's an interesting story. I can't, you know, not, I'm glad. I mean, at least he's honest, right? At least he's honest, but I do think it probably eliminates him from becoming the golden bachelor. Because they're not going to do it. Like, yeah, they're not necessarily going to be in their 70s, but they're going to be in their 60s, which is the norm, with Mark being the one exception to the norm is 57. They've all been in their 60s. So, dude, if you don't want to date 60-year-olds, which I don't think you want to.
Starting point is 00:28:15 This is it for you. This is it for you. That's all the headlines we have for you today. Some good headlines out there. Obviously, some of the takeaways is we're wishing Kelsey and Joey the best. And we believe that they are doing the best until they tell us differently. Also, I think Jen and Sasha are dating or having a lot of fun doing whatever they're doing. He stopped posting so much with Jonathan, too.
Starting point is 00:28:41 Yeah. Who was her TikTok buddy there for a while? yeah i think i think there's more going on and also uh congratulations to our two golden bachelor men who have found some type of relationship some would call it the bomb other would call it love some would just say they're dating i don't know exactly what's happening but we're happy for them so until next time i've been ben i've been ashley see you guys follow the ben and ashley i almost famous podcasts on iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious.
Starting point is 00:29:17 Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Oh, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That's Seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime Podcasts
Starting point is 00:29:43 and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? Answer, a new podcast called Wisecrack, where a comedian finds himself at the center of a chilling true crime story. Does anyone know what show they've come to see? It's a story. It's about the scariest night of my life.
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