The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - The Future of the Franchise Part 2 with Kaity Biggar and Caelynn Bell
Episode Date: March 25, 2026Ashley continues her discussion with Kaity Biggar and Caelynn Bell on what Bachelor Nation might look like post-Taylor Frankie Paul. What was the real reason for canceling the season? What does T...aylor need to do to recover from this? Should Taylor have been the Bachelorette at all? And will we EVER see the canceled episodes? Plus, Kaity explains how the season's downfall was caused by the choice of chaos and drama over the search for love. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Hey, guys, I am back with Katie Bigger and Kailen Bell,
and we are going to be breaking down some of these headlines
that have come out about Taylor Fricky Paul
and the whole situation over the past few days.
Taylor Frankie Paul defends her social media activity after The Bachelorette.
This is a very, this is a very strange thing.
The day after the cancellation, I saw her commenting under a whole bunch of Instagram reels.
Even though, you know, we would have thought that her world just blow up, I would have been like rolled up in a ball being like, I don't know how to go on.
I am so thoroughly embarrassed and I just need to like literally go to Tahiti.
Like I need to like go to a place where there are no screens and no news.
And so she was on her phone and somebody said, isn't it weird that like you're on your phone?
Like why are you commenting back to people and reposting TikToks?
I would say that her team should take away the phone.
But no, she's literally reposting TikToks like that are in support of her and coming back, commenting back to people at Instagram.
And then she said, yes, I'm always on.
It's my job.
still have to work. Want me to stare at a wall instead? Which is crazy. We all do this to a certain
degree. She does not have work right now. Nobody is paying her to do an ad right now. Like,
you also don't get paid to comment on TikTok, unless I'm missing something. You don't get paid
to comment on TikToks and Instagram. I'm so weirded out by the last comment particularly,
want me to stare at a wall instead. It's like, no, we're, we're,
just and you do plenty of other things.
Also, if she's labeling this as her job, which yes, I understand, yes.
But like, it's okay to take some UTO, some unpaid time off would be great or, you know,
take a mental health day, which a lot of people do in the real world.
So I think she just needs, I think silence in this case is a lot more powerful than her being
chronically online.
She has kids, too.
Like, spend time with your kids.
Get off of your phone.
go outside like what do you mean stare at a wall there's so many things you can do you need to be
with your family you need to be with the people that like love you the most right now are going to
like comfort and take care of you or hire and put you in the best situation um yeah you can hire
an assistant but like yeah your comments online are just going to make everybody else think that
you are less well we're thinking that like you poor thing you have an actual you have a real addiction
sometimes i feel like i have an addiction to the phone too and i'm in the
middle of doom scrolling.
Yeah. The optics aren't great, period.
Like, even after all this, she's just digging herself an even bigger hole than she's already
in. Yeah. All right. So now we'll talk about Dakota's temporary protective order against
her. It's been granted. The court finds that there is reason to believe it has jurisdiction
over the parties. And this case, the respondent and the petitioner are cohabitants.
and the respondent will be served notice of her opportunity to be heard at a scheduled hearing.
The respondent has abused or committed domestic violence against the petitioner or that there is a substantial likelihood that the respondent immediately threatens the petitioner's physical safety.
Per the order, Taylor is unable to have any contact with Dakota and must obey by all orders,
included on this form
and not to abuse, threaten or
threaten abuse to anyone
protected by this order.
La la la la. She needs to stay
100 feet away from him and cannot contact him
through phone, mail, email,
communicate in any way.
He will be given
temporary custody of the minor children.
And this includes
going and
taking her, like, taking him to
school daycare
and it looks like this will be in effect
until they have their court
hearing on Tuesday, April
7th. I think that
all of us are probably in agreeance
to the fact that even though Dakota
is probably not a
you know, he's part
of the problem in all of this.
He should probably have custody right now.
He definitely perpetuates
the toxicity of it all.
He's added to it, yeah.
Back to the
video too. We're only seeing when he decided to record. Like, did he do something to her before?
Did he do something to rile her up to get the reaction that he wanted so that he had this video
proof? Like, it all feels so manipulative. That's not saying that what she did is wrong because
what she did is so, so, so wrong. But we're only seeing him and his narrative of this.
Yeah. I know. People will talk about that too. And I see both sides. You could either,
he could either be recording it because, you know, he's a victim of abuse and that is what people say to do.
You know, yes, document it, which he is, yes, an abuse victim.
But at the same time, was he doing it for other reasons as well?
We don't know.
It's just so awkward to talk about.
Like, I don't want to accuse him of that either.
I'm honestly just for my own because I'm just catching up on this.
Has she ever once outwardly said that he has abused her?
I genuinely don't know.
Like, has that ever come from?
I believe in the beginning, yes.
And then she said no.
Because I've been reading into this too.
I think initially in the police report, it was that he did too.
Okay.
But then she went on a podcast and said he didn't.
I don't know.
Okay.
Well, that actually leads into something.
So we got an extended version of the video from like a police body cam.
yesterday in which Dakota says,
no, please don't take her.
You could take me.
Like I feel like I don't even want like this at all.
And they're like, well, we have to arrest her now,
but you can like decide not to press charges.
So he was trying to get her out of that situation as soon as it happened.
Again, I think that's probably just because like he felt bad for his girlfriend that
she was getting handcuffed and taken away.
But again, who the heck knows?
And then in the recent press release from her lawyer publicist, who the heck knows, in response to the cancellation, she does insinuate that he's been like mentally emotionally and physically abusive and that she is the true victim here.
But we don't know if that's true either or if it's a PR statement.
It just seems like it's the most toxic relationship and that's such an overused phrase.
but I know it's like these two people need to be as far away from each other as possible and they do not need to be on TV.
They do not need to be filming a TV show together having castmates like riled them up and like for the drama.
These people are not well and they need to get help and like take care of their kids and it's crazy.
Yeah. And that right there like the priority should be the kids like get away from the TV show like you said like this isn't doing anybody any good.
like just get off get off the TV show and prioritize your family your kids and your mental health
i know i'm like are there good grandparents around here because i just like want these kids to like
well obviously i know exactly what are the what's his one are his parents like i don't know uh
and then of course her ex-husband seems very like even keeled throughout of this he he seems like a good
one but i guess we all don't really know he's not really a public figure he like bought pop
in every now and again. So I wonder what she was like back in the day with him.
Anyway, I'm glad that those kids are in that, that girl, that daughter was his in the video.
I can't imagine what he's going through now as the dad's seeing that video and seeing his daughter get hit.
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Another vanished for four years and suddenly reappeared.
And my girlfriend is already giving my money away.
Hold on, Sophia.
So the girl he wants to marry is already sending money out the door.
And that's just the beginning.
He makes a plan, sets up a trust,
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Okay, so things work out then?
Let's just say the people he trusted the most
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All right.
So our next headline is about the video.
Taylor Frankie Paul could face enhanced charges over alleged dementia.
domestic violence incident due to
2023 plea.
So what's going on here is
that she's currently on probation
for what happened in 2020
if what happened
in February turns out
to be something
her probation, you know, she can get
sent nuts. She can be charged
with something worse. And if
she didn't have anything pop up
during her probation, she could have
been charged with her
2023 incident being a lesser charge.
So that's, you know, that's all to be determined by whatever the police investigation turns out to seem like.
One thing that I would like to talk about is the fact that they cast someone as the Bachelorette who was on probation.
I did not know this until last week.
I was like, wait, what?
They couldn't even like leave the country because of this.
Yes, that's what I was going to say.
The St. Lucia thing, which is where they film the finale, apparently there's like an out with like U.S.
It's not a U.S. Virgin Island, but that island doesn't have, yeah, it's something.
Yeah, no, we found out before they started filming that they would have to film entirely domestically in the country, I guess aside from St. Lucia, but because she's on probation.
That really says this shouldn't be your lead.
It really, really shouldn't be your lead.
Like, I am so thankful for this show.
my husband, but they are just making wrong decision after wrong decision. The right decision was to
cancel this show, so I'm thankful. But if you can't leave the country, get a new girl, get Brooks Nader,
get anyone else. Like, she's not your girl. My thing is too, it's like it's very interesting because
like I feel like behind the scenes, we had a revamp, you know, producers got, you know, whatever.
there's new production team camera crew etc all for the most part a lot of new people I'm like
who has come in now and has made this decision because I'm like was this the right choice should we
go back to the other people or like I don't know it's just very interesting who made this call
and I know it's not just one person I know it's a bunch of people like oh that's a good idea
would like you know what I mean it's just like interesting how they ended up on this candidate
My thought is that it's somebody in charge of like the crossover content, you know,
somebody who would want to make that trifecta that is Disney, ABC, and Hulu, like, stronger to connect everything together.
Our final headline in the week is Taylor Frankie Paul melts down during the Bachelorette date, a Bachelorette date,
when a guy asked about her domestic violence case.
So obviously we're never going to see this date.
But TMZ, an insider with direct knowledge, tells TMZ,
that Taylor's 2023 assault case was brought up by a contestant named Casey Hux during a one-on-one.
She got very emotional about the topic.
And then supposedly had a full-fudge meltdown when the arrest was brought up
and she stormed off the set.
We're told that Casey raised the sensitive issue
because he wanted to know, if anything,
if Taylor learned from the experience
and how she's grown from it.
And, of course, he had never seen the TMZ video
going into that conversation.
Casey, I can think, tell you,
I mean, I don't know if there's such a thing
as a spoiler alert anymore,
but reality, Steve has reported
that he was top three or top four.
and no he made it to hometowns
and he was a
contestant of no on night one
like I definitely considered him in my top four
so that's super interesting
I wonder if she was
annoyed at him or annoyed
at production because perhaps
they said something along the lines of like
it won't be brought up if your bachelorette
because why else would you like freak out in a mad way
yeah that is interesting to me
and everybody knows about this.
Yeah.
And it would also be interesting to see her actual reaction.
Like obviously we're hearing, you know, assuming, you know, we don't really know how she
reacted.
But I mean, judging by how they described it, it sounds like they're still room for growth.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And I don't know.
They probably won't like me saying this.
But there was definitely a moment in the season-long teaser at the end.
end of the first episode in which the guys basically give back their roses and they leave
in a hostile moment.
Dang.
It was juicy.
Yeah, I really wanted to know what that was about.
There was also a moment where she took back their roses.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I also saw that she is lowering up to potentially sue ABC.
Yeah.
That seems far-fetched to me.
And then I've also seen speculation that the guys are trying to sue ABC because their season won't be aired.
And I'm like, you don't have a chance there.
That's just you don't have a chance.
And then, of course, there's the option I think that ABC might have to sue her because she possibly violated her probation.
And she, well, not that, not that part.
The fact that she committed criminal activity, possibly allegedly, while under contract.
so there's lots of suable matters it seems to be she i mean even just what we know of the contracts
not criminal wise uh she spoiled the season so we know that you can be sued for that
she spoiled her season in the sense that well it seems like she and dakota were back
having some sort of relationship Dakota and she got spotted with uh her the one she picked and she
did a tic-tok with him like what tic-tok did she do
with him. I think it's her most recent TikTok. I thought that that was a ploy. I thought that I was like,
that arm could belong to any man. She's just trying to be like, look, I don't hear you, Dakota,
as you are, you know, saying certain things about me. I can't hear my phone right now because she was
playing telephone by Lady Gaga. I'm with a man right now. And I was like, that could be the arm of any
man. But I will say he was wearing a t-shirt in one of like the,
when he was like recently spotted with her getting out of a car or something.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
But it was the same t-shirt in that TikTok video.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
So I think it actually could be him.
And they were spotted March 12th, I think.
It was the day that she posted was the day he came out of the car with her.
With that color?
Sure.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Okay.
Well, that's, we also heard that that was just kind of a marketing ploy.
and like something to get eyes off of the February scandal
because that at the time was what we were all focused on.
So who the heck knows?
The rumor is based on reality, Steve,
that she ended up with you guys,
if you don't want to hear this,
I guess you can turn this off,
fast forward or whatnot,
but it's like it's not going to be out there.
And even if it does drop on Hulu,
like I think you'll survive knowing
that she supposedly ends up with Doug
and their relationship,
which did end engaged
they got engaged at the end of the show
he
and her ended up breaking up weeks
like three, four weeks
after the finale.
He flew out to Utah
and I believe a filmed moment
and she was with Dakota again
like she was like reconcilingish
with Dakota like she couldn't drop him
and Doug was
cute
and their chemistry in
Night one, which I don't even think I'm allowed to say, was hot.
I feel like this Doug dude looks like Dakota a little bit.
Oh, she has the most descriptive type ever.
Yeah.
Ever, ever.
What a mess.
What a freaking mess.
What will they do with these guys?
Will they use them in paradise?
What do you think is the future of this franchise?
Do you think that they're going to have a paradise?
I think so.
I think so, too.
They didn't pivot correctly this time.
And we were at the Golden Wedding.
Dean and I told a producer this.
People watch for the messy and the drama,
but they also watch for the love.
We have so many couples that found love on the show.
So do a traitors-ish show with couples.
Literally, I've been saying this for years and years and years.
I'm like, why don't you utilize your couples?
You have so many married couples.
Look at us.
All three of us here.
It doesn't make any sense.
We would all love to do it.
I mean, I'm speaking for us all, but.
Oh, yes.
And make it a competition show, exactly.
Like, traders, people will love it.
Yeah.
Is that too fast to happen right now?
Probably what I could imagine them actually being able to throw together is some sort of live.
You know, how they do Big Brother and stuff and like Love Island, like almost live,
where it's like every week put something together.
Like, just give us two hours of people like just.
mingling on a beach or like bring them all to the mansion put them up in like the hilton down the street
the sheridan and then like bring them to the mansion during the day give us two hours of tv that's
interesting to see it happen in live time they need to utilize the the bachelor mansion was just
renovated so yeah i got to utilize that in some way they i feel like that was a waste of money too now
yeah that's true but yeah people love love so it's like let's let's let's hone in it
on love instead of drama.
Even though the drama's good.
A little drama.
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I became a millionaire overnight, but lost everything that actually mattered.
Wait a minute, Sophia, did you just say he lost everything?
That's right, it's inheriting too much drama week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.
This person writes, I just inherited a fortune after losing my mom,
and now my girlfriend's entire family is coming out of nowhere with their hands out.
One sibling wants me to fund their whole lifestyle.
Another vanished for four years and suddenly reappeared,
and my girlfriend is already giving my mom.
money away. Hold on, Sophia. So the girl he wants to marry is already sending money out the door.
And that's just the beginning. He makes a plan, sets up a trust, and finally thinks he has everything under control.
Okay, so things work out then? Let's just say the people he trusted the most are the ones who ended up shocking him the most.
So does the money end up being worth going through all that? To find out, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal.
The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story.
This began a years-long court battle to prove the truth.
You doctored this particular test twice in so much, correct?
I doctored the test ones.
It took an army of internet detectives to crack the case.
I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for.
Sunlight's the greatest disinfected.
They would uncover a disturbing pattern.
Two more men who'd been through the same thing.
Greg Alesspian and Michael Marantini.
My mind was blown.
I'm Stephanie Young.
This is Love Trap.
Laura, Scottsdale Police.
As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences.
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Think about how many skills they have to develop at such a young age.
What can we learn from all of the new F1 romance novels suddenly popping up every year?
He still smelled of podium champagne and expensive friction.
And how did a 2023 event called Wagageddon change the paddock forever?
That day is just seared into my memory.
I'm culture writer and F1 expert Lily Herman,
and these are just a few of the questions I'm tackling on No Grip,
a Formula One Culture podcast that dives into the under-explored pockets of the sport.
In each episode, a different guest and I will go deeper into the wacky mishap,
scandals and sagas, both on the track and far away from it,
that have made F1 a delightful, decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years.
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You may know me from my It Girl series I've done on the streets of New York over the years.
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So you have to work extra hard.
and you have to push the narrative
in a way that doesn't compromise
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You know, I like to say
I was kind of like a silent ninja.
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with female founders, creatives,
and leaders to talk about ambition, visibility,
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Is there anything else that you guys think that we should broach on this whole situation in the future of the franchise?
I think we just need a break and they need to pivot in a different way.
Like new show concept, let's like scrap it all and do something completely new.
We don't need to copy other shows formats.
Like they try to do Love Island and Paradise last season.
Yeah.
We just need something new and refresh.
I don't know. It's hard because I feel like they're so mixed views. It's like people want it to go back to the way it was. People want drama. People want it to be more like Love Island. So I think they took that. And I think what they just need to do is like what I've just been saying like this whole time is just going back to their roots, making sure you find somebody that actually wants to fall in love. Give it a, give Rachel Kirkconnell this position or a Brooks Nader or somebody like that. I don't know. I don't even know where you go. You guys have been in the franchise.
a lot longer than me. I don't know where you go with this. Maybe let it die. I don't know.
Give it a fake. Rebrand, like, change the name. I don't know. But I feel like even like Harry Jousy
I heard is coming out with like a bachelor type style TV show. So like somebody's also taking that
concept and then revamping it and making it bigger and better. So I'm like, how do you stay
at the forefront? And it's not Taylor Frankie Paul by putting her as late. You don't do that.
It doesn't seem to make sense.
It does.
I think we still need that stunt cast.
I think we still need a celebrity to revamp the franchise just to bring attention back to it again.
But obviously somebody who is a safer choice, maybe now we go with a guy for Bachelor.
Yeah.
Or Mora Higgins.
Everyone's saying that, I know.
But like she would be perfect.
Yeah.
She would be really great.
And she was, well, so she's traitor.
So she's not in the ABC Disney family.
They'd have to get over that one.
Which is so silly to me because everyone else has branched out.
Netflix has branched out.
Like they're all bringing in whoever they want, all these different networks.
We're the only one that's stuck in our own.
So they get out of that.
With Vanderpump, they brought Vanderpump over to Hulu.
True.
So there's, you know, there's that.
Thank you girls so much for joining me.
It has been a pleasure, but it's been an unfortunate event.
So until next time, guys, I've been Ashley.
And they've been Katie.
and Caitlin, and thank you so much.
Bye.
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