The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - The Golden Divorce

Episode Date: April 13, 2024

Gerry and Theresa’s fairy tale has come to an end.  The couple from the first season of The Golden Bachelor have called it quits, and we’re ready to go through every detail from this breaking news. We’re talking to Bachelor Nation superstars, Bachelor data analysts, and superfans to figure out what went wrong and where we go from here. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and we're grateful to have them here to break down their thoughts and feelings on the golden bachelor divorce. It's very sad, very sad, but I got lots of feelings and I can't wait to talk about them with you guys from all different sorts of perspectives. Before we rip into these two and try to overanalyze everything that we truly don't know, I do want to say that of course divorce is horrible it's horrible it's very sad situation

we wanted them to have a happy ending but you know what in the Good Morning America interview they honestly seem like they're both in good places so let's let the analyzation go forth

first we're going to start with you guys oh geez members of Bachelor Nation and then Bob you are going to talk to Superfan and Jenny Garth about how she's feeling, because she was really into this couple.

Yeah. I'm also going to talk to some normie's, some normie grandma fans, see how they're responding to their generations, you know, the version of the franchise kind of going south very quickly. And then we're also going to have Bachelor data on, and she is going to give us some stats about just marriage

and the Bachelor franchise and, like, whether she has any insight on whether, this one was going to come so soon. Man. Can you when you talk to her? Will you ask her where she never includes me in her data? She doesn't?

Why? Because you would drag, you would like make everything so high because like you're 20 years of marriage. Yeah, it's like, it's like, whoa. That's why I didn't want Trish by any of my classes growing up because she would have just ruined the curve. The bell curve would be toast.

that's funny because you know trista you have such a gap between your like getting together in marriage to the next one because isn't the next one jason so how many years does that in span like over 10 yeah i think that they are just celebrating their 11 11 i think they're 10 years yeah okay well see that's why yeah yeah i know All right. I'll ask her. I'll ask her. Okay. So let me go first. My initial reaction was, wow, I can't believe this happened so fast. Three months. I was like, I don't know if I told you, Tristan. I was like, I was so incredibly sick at their wedding. I was 10 weeks pregnant. And now I'm 24. So it was 14 weeks. It was a trimester. They were married for a trimester. that's how we keep score that's how we keep track of time and when you're mom in it up yeah so um i definitely thought it was weird that they were getting married so soon i've been very vocal about that i was like four months why would you ever get married after four months of knowing each other

it's not even a four month engagement it was four months of knowing each other and most of those months they weren't even actually in the same room and he was like dating other people like they We were actually only like were a couple that were announced about a month, four weeks from like the finale to their wedding. That may be something for future people to take into account, you know, from here on. They have their, like, they have a big long life that they've lived and they know themselves, like all these things that like younger people kind of fight against is, do you even know yourself? Do you know what you want out of life?

Do you know the kind of partner that you want? And I feel like they both were there. They knew exactly what they were looking for, right? And so I think that time element definitely is an interesting factor because I thought personally, when they did announce that they were going to be getting married so quickly, I thought, well, good for them because if they know they know, then just do it. You know what I mean? but now hindsight's 2020 and you're like whoa maybe you should have taken a beat you know and and and lived in the same home for a while well they still haven't even moved into the same home that's that was news that just came out last week they've still been living separately and i mean i can i can tell you i mean uh you know it has a divorced man uh you know when my ex-wife and i started living on opposite coasts it just it was the the nail

in the coffin. And I feel like when you haven't even, here's what I was thinking about what you said, Ashley. Like, I agree with Ashley. Like, I was like, why are they rushing this? It's like, you know, like, all of a sudden, they're like. So 70, 72. Like, why would you rest that? It's not like

there's like no biological clock time. That's what I. Yeah, exactly. I get it. Even in the case of a biological clock, like you don't have rushed that fast. Holy moly. No. Part of me too is kind of like something must have been fundamentally flawed. from the jump because you don't let someone spend a couple million bucks on your wedding and televise it for the world to see to them just allow it to crash and burn so quickly.

So it's like, are we not willing to try and get into some counseling? I mean, are we not willing to try and get to know each other a little bit better and maybe pump the brakes and, you know, maybe they don't live the life of a married couple, like a hardcore married couple at this moment because they're already living separately, but maybe they just sort of take a few minutes and, you know, I don't know, try to salvage this whole thing. That's why this is suspect. I don't think that's, I don't think that's, so I think that's, like, about feelings or values or something that they might be able to talk through in therapy, then I think that, yeah, that would be a good idea. So I reached out to Angie, who's Gary's daughter and just said, hey, you.

you tell, well, you tell your dad. I'm just sending him a virtual hug. I'm sorry to hear the news this morning. And she was like, well, here's his number. You know, thank you. But why don't you reach out to him? So I did. And I personally think that it wasn't something that could be like,

they both love each other. I think what from like the people article, I read the people article and they both still love each other. But there's only so much love can. get over. So if one person is living in one place and the other is living in another and they just can't compromise, then there's nothing to talk about. You know what I mean? Like if you're deciding to prioritize, you know, where you're living currently, then I think it's just, it should have been discussed. I feel like, but they should have what it could. It doesn't help anyone, right? So I just

feel bad. But I do feel like they, if they were adamant that both of them were going to live where they live now, right? Then that should have been like discussed. And I think that anyone in the future going on the show, even being part of a relationship can learn from this that you really do need to talk about like the realistic. Yeah. You know, like the logistics of a relationship, you should be in the same place. To make it work, you really do need, I feel like, to be the same thing. You have to. I don't know.

I don't know because maybe I'm just totally warped. But I just feel like at their age that they just kind of want to, they just need a companionship, but it doesn't have to be 100% full-time companionship. It's like, think about like the older people who have like a boyfriend in a different state. And it's just like, oh, my boyfriend. and like they visit each other once a month twice you know twice a month i don't know that they needed to uproot their entire lives to keep the marriage alive i just don't know that i buy the whole like location is the reason we're divorcing after three months that just feels really extreme

and i really think that there's a way to get around it especially as retired people who yeah i know like it travel is expensive but you're telling me that like you're supposedly still in love aka the Good Morning America interview but like after three months you realize that you just can't dedicate your time to traveling for each other I don't know I don't buy it and I don't want to like talk especially when Trista like you are in you know you're friendly with the family but there's something weird

about this like why? No I do that I do hear that I think that if you are in love that you're right like you know I just said two seconds ago like love can only conquer so much. But you're right. If you truly are going to prioritize the love that you feel for each other, then you'll make it work. But I just don't know if the timing was right.

And I don't know that they realized until after they had said their vows. Guys, I'm just going to say this as a person who's gone through divorce. Okay. I'm just going to say it. You don't take that step lightly. You just don't. And it's like, I don't care if you want the divorce or you don't want the divorce. It sucks no matter what.

And when you're going to go through, and I'm sorry to throw this extra wrinkle in there, but I do think there's something to be said about this, when you're going to go through such public scrutiny, like they're going to get just, I mean, they're older and so maybe they won't get it as bad, but they're going to get shredded. And it's like, you know, at the end of the day, it's like, I'm sorry. You don't, you don't make that step without exhausting everything that you. you can exhaust if you truly love that person. And I mean, I can say as someone who went through it, of worse, and my wife, Canyon knows this. I say this to her all the time. I'm like, I never stopped

caring about her or loving her. It was that we tried everything we could and we realized we just weren't compatible. And it wasn't, it wasn't me living in LA and her living in New York. It was much more than that. That was just the straw that broke the camel's back. You know what I mean? So it's like if you're a couple that all you've ever known is living apart, which is them, then I have a hard time, like Ashley's saying, I have a hard time accepting the fact that the fact that they weren't going to live together is why they're getting divorced.

Yeah, like I just listened to the Good Morning America interview and I just was like, this is total BS because I just felt like there was being, that there's something phony about it, the way that they were even like holding hands and being so cuddly and stuff. The interviewer's like, you guys are holding hands, like you still, and they were like, yeah, we still love each other so much. like we're still in love and I'm like you're still in love I can understand you saying like you have love for each other like we love one other support there but you're telling me that

you're in love and the only reason here is is distance but I just I feel like distance and location is the only is just the easiest way to explain to the fandom it is the lightest way it's the lightest way right it's the way that people are going to be like oh man that's unfortunate you know distance but like really I think there was a fond of mental flaws there. And they just found out because they didn't have enough time together. Well, I have one other thing I was thinking about earlier, too, and this is something to talk about. I know how much I hated it when Stella and I split up. And it was like, you know, all these people chiming in of, you know, oh, well, this and that. And you're just like, and I remember reading that stuff

going, that's not true. But, you know, but then once in a while someone would, you know, someone would say something and you'd be like, well, I guess there's some truth to that, you know. or whatever and you know a lot of stuff came out um after after gary you know uh became the the the bachelor golden bachelor and some of it wasn't so flattering from some of his exes like you know oh well he was really weird about money or it was this or it was that you know and i remember reading some of that stuff and going oh i hope that's not true but it was like was in one ear and out the other you know so you got to wonder like now is that stuff starts to play out you know now you here we are three months not even a trimester later and

splitting up and it's like you know you got to wonder is there some is there some validity to some of that stuff like i mean this was jilted saying you know he was like this and like that so he's not that great or whatever you know i get it people when they break up they have harsh opinions and some of it's based in truth and some of it's just completely from you know left field but i just feel like maybe there is something to some of that stuff yeah in the good morning america interview she said that that article was no big deal to her she said that they had already talked everything that was in the article out before the article even came out. So I think that means that there is some validity to what was in the article.

But I can't get rid of that feeling that it did have something to do with it. Yeah. No one knows, right? We can all sit here and talk until anything. Like, we can talk all day. But no one will know. except for them. No one's ever going to know exactly why. And it just makes me sad. Like as the fairy godmother, I just, you know, I've always said that I feel maternal. And it's weird because

they're older than me. But at the same time, like I root for everybody and being there at their wedding and in and feeling the love. Like I thought it was going to, it was going to last, especially longer than three months. So I'm just sad. You know, it's just, it's just a bummer. I just I had hopes but I just I don't know I'm just out of it's a bummer well Bob we want you to give Jenny Garth a chance to give her thoughts and opinions on this so I want to toss it over to you and then we'll come back and we'll do a little bit of a grandma interview hey sis what if I could promise you you never had to listen to a condescending finance bro. Tell you how to manage your money again. Welcome to Brown Ambition. This is the hard part

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something that's like clickbait and I can't tell yet if it's my if it's actually for real then at about eight o'clock this morning um I see it and it's for real so yes Gary and Teresa from the golden bachelor literally have been married for three months um I mean I've I've probably wore socks longer than that I don't understand what the hell's going on here three months and they can't even go to counseling I mean what okay Jenny I they have the tear picture and everything it's over like but three months i my first marriage was longer than three months and this is like their last marriage so you would think that they would have it down by now or at least be willing to fight for it a little bit i mean i i don't understand yeah i am truly devastated i feel like

my mom and dad are getting a divorce i mean honestly you know one of my friends today who is a big fan of the show and he he wrote me it's like a guy's thread and this one buddy of ours and we all tease him because you know we'll be watching like the national championship game and he'll be watching you know golden bachelor or whatever and so we were all teasing him about about just his love of of the whole thing and this morning he calls me it writes me on the side and then calls me and he's like honestly I'm devastated right now he's like I can't understand how you would go through such a process and he's like don't get me wrong and and you know there's, there's something to be said about this part too, Jenny.

And I know you're a big fan of the show and I, of course, lived it. But it's like you go through these situations and you get to the end. And, you know, usually there's a little bit of time where you get to know each other without the cameras. And, you know, of course, the greatest success story of the Bachelor franchise, Tristan and Ryan, you know, they dated almost a year before they, you know, before they got married. And but, you know, so these two got married pretty quickly. And like you said, you know, they're older. you would think they're wiser, you would think that, you know, they, they would do, at least have due process before, you know, pulling the trigger. But they wanted to have that wedding right

away. I mean, it sounded like it was their thing. They wanted to get married right away. They wanted to have the nuptials on TV. So much went into this. And now, Caput. I'm pretty upset. This is what I, I think I got married in either three months or six month. I can't remember after meeting a guy. My current husband. And it's going pretty good. Yeah. Like, we definitely hit a rough patch because we did rush into it. But I do think that we took the time to really look at that and then work through it. These guys are just ready to run for the hills like right away. I guess when you're older and it's later in life, you know, you don't have much time to fool around. If it's not working, get out. Yeah. It's just,

just crazy. It's crazy. On one hand, good for them for, you know, cutting the losses and moving forward and getting on with it. But on the other hand, oh, my God, so many people are going to be so disappointed. I feel like this is like, this is upsetting. This was appointment television for me and my family. Yeah. And we were so invested. I know. I think we all were. Like, I was just talking yesterday about how much I loved that they didn't do stunt casting on this season with Gary like it was age appropriate casting and I thought that was awesome and you know for the bachelor to do that for that was like going like totally out of

the box they always would throw a few people in there who were you know randoms and you know just stir up the sauce they didn't even do that you know they they were really respectful it was so real it felt so real I know this is heartbreaking I'm with you Jenny I feel like I feel like you and I need to go and counsel them we need to either go get therapy or go give them therapy but what do you think's going to happen is you going to go like is he going to go knocking on you know somebody else's door now or what i don't know do you think he does like a do you think he does like an expose where he explains what went wrong in his words and she explains what's i mean are they going to do something like that let's hope so because i'll be there for that but i will tell you

I did another reason where, like, where it's Gary Part 2, where they bring him back and it's a do-over. Yeah. Well, you know, it's interesting because there's been so much talk about the golden bachelorette and how, you know, and it was based off the success of the golden bachelor. So now what? Like, does Teresa come back as the golden bachelorette? Who's going to be the bachelorette? I don't know. They've been kicking it around.

Teresa, come back. honestly i mean could it be it's true because even like i i did not want teresa to take from the ring i wanted someone else to do it but that last episode i was just like gary i was like oh no teresa's the one actually yeah i know but it turns out one for long enough to get to know something you know you got to wonder and of course i hate to do this because i i you know i had many a thing written about me uh post my bachelor season that wasn't true but you got to wonder some stuff came out of the woodwork you know a couple of gary's exes came forward remember that right after the season or kind of in that height of the thing and you got to wonder like

you know was any of that stuff maybe you know brewing under the surface that we didn't know about and that's what came up or yeah i'm dying to know now like i need to know now more than i'm sure we're going to find out i'm sure we're going to find out very soon well i'll be on the edge of my seat All right, Jenny. I know you're almost to your destination. So let's just say, let's just say what we're really feeling here. I feel betrayed a little bit. And, you know, first of all, Trista and I go through this every day on the show.

She was invited to the Golden Wedding. I wasn't. I've brought it up many a time. And now I think they're wishing they would have invited me. Perhaps the outcome would have been different. Maybe Braden and Christina will work out better. I don't know. somebody's bound to i mean my god they've got to you know that picture with the tear mark between them

i've had a couple of those and you probably have too but when i saw that this morning yeah i was pretty devastated yeah yeah you and me both and you know it's funny i don't know if you feel this way when it's celebrity gossip but i've seen many a thing in us weekly and you know star and whoever else is around but when TMZ reports it i'm like this must be true right i don't know why i feel that way but I feel like they won't put anything up that hasn't at least been vetted a little bit in the race to be like first and I'm always like when I saw it

on TMZ which was later in the day because in the morning I first morning I saw it in us weekly then I saw it on some other like just Jared or something and then all of a sudden boom it pops up on TMZ I'm like that's it it's official it is official like herpes

I don't know yeah but I don't think there's any thing you can take to make this one go away. I know it's so sad. I have to go. I need to cry a little. I know.

It is a bummer. I'm sorry. I feel so bad for Teresa. Oh, I know. Part of me feels like, I don't know. I feel like she was sort of like, I mean, I'm not blaming Gary here because I don't know either one of them, but it's like part of me feels like for whatever reason, I don't know.

Do you think they felt pressure like they had to get married? right away or do you think that they I don't know I mean either they felt pressured and they felt like they had to do it for the sake of the show and they were pressured into it that way or they felt like time is of the essence

right getting up there or they just were like let's throw caution to the wind and let's do whatever we want because we're golden you know exactly yeah or maybe it was a combination of all of those things and it was just like

they had to make the big jump. But it was kind of fishy that neither one of them ever was willing to move to the other or to be at least in a, find a place that worked for both of them. I mean, that's been something that's been kind of bantered about a little bit. I mean, they've been married for three months and they still live separately. Really?

Yeah. Were they geographically undesirable? Were they like, did they live in different parts of the country? I think so. I remember reading something that they said to South Carolina might work. work for them to have like as a as a central place that was close enough to her family and not too far from his or something of that nature um but yeah I guess that doesn't mean anything now well geez I mean I really do wish them both for best but I do need some good parenting therapy

like divorce therapy work now yeah I think I'm calling my shrink right after we hang up I need I need somehow. I got to go through some, please. Well, thank you for jumping on with us. I know you're going somewhere and you're busy. And thanks for jumping on and letting us know your thoughts. I mean, obviously, we know you're a big fan of the show and that you love watching the season. And got to be honest, I'm a little, I don't know what it means for a lot of things.

You know what I mean? Like, even in the past, like, when the couples would be engaged and wanted to break up, the they would get like the production crew would get involved like they'd be like well hold on let's you know let's meet let's have you guys meet up and at least talk and maybe you can talk with someone and we've been making you keep everything secret for so long all that kind of stuff so i wonder like if production was sideswiped by this or if they had a heads up and they've been working on it for like a month who knows we need to know that all the details we are inquiring minds and we need to know that's right amy sugarman will probably be able to find out she knows everything

So she'll give us the dirt. She'll get it for us. All right. Thank you, Jenny Gar. Thank you for being on the show. And thanks for, thanks for working through some of my issues with me on this call. I needed you. You're welcome.

I'm always here for you, Bob. I appreciate it. And if I get more details, we'll call you back and we'll get you back on so we can talk about it. Okay. Bye. Bye. Monica Lopez, and in the new season of the Overcover podcast, I'm taking you on an exciting journey of self-reflection. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a

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Well, Bob, thank you for that. And now we have producer Amy, who we haven't had on this podcast for quite some time, here with Breaking News along with her mom, Cheryl, who happens to be a grandma. So we have two great perspectives. Yeah, we wanted to give the old person's perspective. But here's what I can say, Ashley. And I thought everything you guys were saying was very astute. Like, yes, it is.

is geographic, but that seems a little suspect, right? And so we've heard, so I'm going to tell you what sources have been telling us. I just won't reveal my sources. We've heard rumblings of this since January 30th. So why specifically the 30th? Because it's, I can just remember the date when the person told me. Okay. And can you give us like a general, like, is this person part of the Bachelor family?

Is this person part of Bachelor production? Very well connected. to all parties. And what we heard back then was they don't live together. They're never going to live together. So it was like, okay, wow, that's interesting. But like you were saying, Ashley, it's like, yeah, a lot of old people could just have a nice companion.

They go on a cruise, I don't know, every six months, and they live their lives in separate locations. My mom's here, and I'll interject with her because she would never leave her grandchildren or her hair salon. I mean, right? A hair salon, maybe. Your hair does look beautiful, by the way, Cheryl. Well, thank you.

You're welcome. No, I guess, well, should I, I do, my feeling is, I'm wondering why, what the rush was to get married. Was it the money? Let's talk about that. We all feel as if they got paid a lot of money to get married on live TV because that's just how we do in Bachelor Nation. You know, you get married. If you get married on the show, you get money. Because their ratings were so high and they did such a quick turnaround with the wedding,

we really thought that there was probably a good payday in it for them. But how cheated do we feel as viewers that, like, these people, we could assume, maybe wrongly, but we could assume got married or rushed into a wedding for the money? I would love to hear Triska's perspective on the being paid. paid to have a wedding. Also, it does extend your fame, right? So if you're, if you're starting to like the money and now you're the couple that get married on TV and Trista, you can really speak to that, not only did you get paid for the wedding, but I'm sure it helped you with like brand deals following that. I guess, but I just, I mean, we didn't have anything. Stupidly, I mean,

I wish we would have, like, because like Bob said the other day, he's like, he would be billionaires if social media had been around back then. And that would be nice because I'd love to pay my taxes and not worry. But I, so I didn't realize, I didn't really think about the money part of it. But you're right that if it was a lot, it was a live wedding, it was quick. And what I was going to say earlier when we were talking is that I guarantee that production had some pressure going on. They were applying a lot of pressure to do this quickly. I don't know that they would have done it had it not been a televised wedding.

I highly doubt that Gary and Teresa would have been like, we need to get ready or get married tomorrow. You know, it was all, I would say, all about production, right? Yeah. And so if they got paid, you know, that's just icing on the cake. For us, it was, you know, we went into negotiations. and I don't remember them saying like it needs to be quick, but we did a whole like four piece special. It was like three different, four different segments.

It wasn't a live show, even though they talked about doing a live show. So, I mean, the money was good. I don't know how much they got. And I've heard over the years that no one would get as much as, you got. You got, right. Yeah. You know, I don't think they would.

they would pay that much again. Like, it was like pulling teeth to get anything from them back then, even knowing that they were going to make bank just from having it on the air. You know, so we had to fight really hard to get any kind of cut in our early. I thought you guys made a bundle. Well, the rumor has always been a million. You made a million. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. We got paid a million. But my agent was like, you're making like how many times that. you know like and you would not be able to do this without trista and ryan so we were a big part of the show because you're getting 20 plus million viewers how many viewers did your wedding get no we had well we had 31 million watch our um engaged and then 26 million watched the wedding so at that point in time 31 people 31 million people had had watched the the finale of the show um

So, so, yes, like, I mean, I just, I don't want to think that about Gary and Teresa. The question is it's hard when you get into what you three have been, Bob, Trista, Ashley. There's the fame, there's the excitement. There's all these things pulling you. How could you resist it? Bob has his hand done. Yeah. Yeah, I was going to say, thank you so much, Ms. Sugarman, for recognizing my raised hand.

Yeah, you know, here's the thing. So Trista, I mean, there was a lot of pressure on Trista back then, but Trista and Ryan took a year, right? Like they took time from, I mean, if it wasn't a full year, it was a while from the time that I remember you guys finished dating to the time, like the time that, you know, when I was on Trista's season from the finale, the time they got married. I mean, there was a lot of time in there. And I think that, you know, they had that time to get to know one another. But this, I think, was another moment of high stakes, right? Because let's be honest, they're already teasing the Golden Bachelorette. So they needed a success to spurring more success.

And so that's why I think there was probably pressure coming from the producers. But I also think they wouldn't have let these guys. This wouldn't have been a public announcement. The producers, I think what Amy said was right, like January 30th. I'm sure the producers have been trying to keep these two together for months. They've been working hard. I was going to say, Ashley, the little bit of information we also have is that they did not, they have been separated, and I use that term loosely, knew this was coming, right, for a little bit

of time. The rumor we have heard from good sources is that they would have liked to not announce this for quite a while because it's, it's, the timing is so bad. Like, it's just too quick. I think they would have liked to go a year before they let anyone find out that things weren't going to work out. Like, I'm sorry, but separated even before 14 weeks in your, and for you on January 30th to have heard that they were never going to live together. Like, this just has sham written all over it. Two weeks ago, too, the wedding itself made me so uncomfortable that I did.

watch it and trista i also feel bad saying this because you felt it but being at the wedding i didn't feel it i didn't have any sort of sense of being choked up there's no tears coming out of miss crying's eyes and i remember like when i um was coming back and i was going to record my other podcast with my friend who was a huge golden bachelor fan i was like she's like you have to talk about it i was like i don't want to talk about because like i have nothing like really warm and fuzzy to say, I just didn't really feel it. So I didn't even talk about it. It's like somehow she had an instinct of these two

were not allowed. Don't do it. Don't do it. Do you have any reason beyond instinct? Because I just had gut. You know, I was just uncomfortable thinking about watching it. I just didn't want to watch it. Do you think that it made you uncomfortable with the whole Leslie situation?

She didn't get in the weeds because here's what started to happen. Sorry to speak for you. My mom started watching it and she started pretty quickly realizing like something wasn't quite right. And by the time we got to the wedding, she was like, it's like, oh, I can't. I can't watch this. I had a big party and had people over and I'm like, mom, come over and she goes, yeah, I don't want to watch them. And I don't know if it's because she's their age.

Maybe. She was like. It felt a little creepy to me. Yeah. But you had a good radar going. I mean, obviously you picked up on something that, you know, you were. I don't know. I think that's what it is.

I think you're just very perceptive. Well, especially like maybe other, because my mom's hung out with Susan and Kathy and she loves that dinner with them. And so I think that maybe like these ladies of a certain age, my mom's 76, also like what 70? Do you want to get married? Well, no. And that's my other thought on this. I think what they were trying to do was very difficult. Yeah.

Very difficult. You know, they were going to move, right? and I can't imagine leaving my granddaughters. I mean, I cook dinner for my youngest granddaughters twice a week. I mean, I wouldn't give that up. And being part of their lives, I mean, well, and not to out my mom, but this is something about older people. They're very set in their ways.

Like, my mom has a garbage can that you're not allowed to put garbage in. Like, it's so different. And, like, you use her a certain sink, and she's like, you're getting the sink wet. And, like, I'm not making it up. Like, I can't imagine who people set in their ways trying to, like, win together. But, yeah, that's the point. That's why I was wondering why they were rushing to get married. I haven't thought about the money.

Because of production. You can have so much fun. I mean, go have fun. Get to know each other. Take some trips. Play golf. You know, whatever they like to do. And you don't have to get married necessarily.

I feel like if it wasn't a television show, then they would have done that. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Had they met like somewhere else, then in production wasn't involved, then maybe they would have done that. But since it's a TV show, you know, all all bets get thrown out the window. And Krista, do you think I'm trying to look in Trista's eyes and see if I can see a glimpse of the truth?

Do you think that they would have liked to not have to do this ABC Good Morning America special today? Like, would they have liked to like not? 100% they didn't want to do that. Yes. Especially since you're saying that. they didn't want to even announce it for a year. They, I think that they're, allegedly.

It's part of their contract, to be quite honest. They probably are still under contract. I don't know how contracts work these days. Like if they're required to do this. Contracts are harder today. They are for a year. So the ring goes back, right? All of it.

Oh, yes, 100%. That's the old Bob Guinea rule. I've heard. True story. True story. I really heard that. Did Estella get to keep her ring? And then they were left out.

She did. Yes. And she sold it. And so they became like some type of weird time frame in there. Yeah. So there's two things I want to mention, especially with Trista still around. One, I could have not felt much at the wedding because it was the live TV version. And we had to keep stopping.

And that felt really awkward. Like it felt like we were on the set of a wedding, not that we were actually at a wedding. So I'm sure that that took some magical. Wait, Ashley. I just have to mention your lamb chop when you're just cruising around this wedding. It was not a lamb chop. I don't eat lamb.

That's the one of meat I won't eat. That was the only screen time I had was I had a meatball. A meatball. Yeah. And I was like, I was literally eating meatball being like, I'm totally on camera right now, aren't I?

And I was like, oh, there it is. I keep doing, but I have to call that because it did look like you were like, I don't know what's happening here, but I'm just going to eat these meatballs. totally um okay but then trissa the other thing i wanted to say is regarding what you said earlier in the episode you said we'll never really know what happened between the two of them but you know what we very well may because this golden bachelor cast with women like kathy and

susan they're not keeping these secrets that's true totally and those ladies are tight all those ladies are still friends and they're going to realize like hey we're in it as girls together and they're going to dish right that's what i mean i think like we're going to get like a whole bunch of dirt on gary she should get with these girls and and then you know what i want to come on my pot our podcast and talk about this but if if teresa needs to go and talk to susan and kathy on their podcast and give us the real scoop sign us up i'll Or if she needs to speak to some people of age. I mean, you know, the OGs, we're more than willing to take on that conversation as well.

Can I know one crazy idea out there and don't judge me for it? Because I'm sure there was no funny business. But like when you're Gary, right, do we think, like they don't live together? How many ladies at the market are giving Gary the wing? You know what I'm saying? Like, that would be, like, he might be like, okay, I've got a lot of ladies. he's flirting. Oh, Trista's got information. I'm not going to, I'm not going to reveal my source.

But no, it's not a source. But the person who made this comment, I'm not going to reveal. But they said, I wander with all of the hubbub and the hype. And he's all over the place, like in the media, I'm sure there are women out there. I mean, please, when we were done, people were sending Ryan. And this was of course back in the day when there was like real mail that you went to the post office for, but people would put together like little care packages and send them to Ryan and be like, so if things don't work out with Trista, here's my number. Right. I bet you like at the, I don't know where they go.

The IHaw. They go to DMs, I'm sure. They go where they go into the GMs. Oh, the gram. Wow, they're sliding into the geriatric DMs. That was not Chariatic DMs That was not my thought

But I was like Oh, okay I mean I can see They get a lot of attention After the show Anyone who's on the show Usually get a lot of attention And I'm sure there was

There were people sliding into his DMs Whether he took advantage of it or not Well and Catherine Susan Make really good points When they say at their age Those men like 50 year old women So it is really hard To be a 70 something woman

because you're like, where's the 90-year-olds hanging out? Right. Yeah, 75-year-old dudes or going out with 55-year-old ladies at this point. Isn't that just what happens with every age group? My mom would be like a hot catch for a 91-year-old. Like, you know, like, okay. All right, well, let's get Bachelor data in on here. I got a joke, guys.

I would never want her to date. My mom is never going on that show because I don't want, we're so protective of a grandma. You're like, no. But anyway, keep... I love you, Cheryl. It's great seeing you. Bye, guys. So good seeing you.

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Her name is Natalie. Natalie, I heard that you have, like, lots of salacious thoughts on this. Like, you are not holding back. Well, yeah. I mean, so I have watched many seasons of The Bachelor, almost all of them. and all the Bachelors in Paradise and all the things. And I think this was a great season and I loved it. I fell in love with Gary like everyone else did.

And I was not, not, I was surprised and then not surprised to hear this news. Basically just, I didn't love, you know, I just, I didn't love her. I don't think, I don't know that you guys loved her either, Ashley and Ben. I mean, based on podcast. I will admit I was absolutely shocked when he picked her. I was shocked on finale day. I wasn't even spoiled. It was at the Bachelor Mansion filming, you know, recording our podcast live from the finale that I found out.

And I was like, what? But over time, if I had to choose a favor in this relationship, I would have chosen Teresa because that article that came out about him, it just rubbed me the wrong way. and I couldn't shake it, I feel like there's something a little off there. But there might be a little something off on both ends. I, like, feel really bad saying I don't fully trust him. It's just overly chummy, a little bit of acting, a little bit too goody two shoes.

I don't know. Right. Well, she came out of the limo, like, naked, right? I mean, basically. Oh, Teresa. Yeah, sorry. I mean, she came to play, you know? She was definitely, you know, which,

which I, more power to her. I just, I feel like she over, maybe overlooked a lot of things that maybe she saw that, you know, she wasn't willing to see about Gary because she wanted to kind of, she wanted to end up with him and she, at all costs. And so my theory is just that they got home and like, you know, based on Ben said something on one of your recent podcasts where it was like, you get home and, you know, it's like you're looking at this person like, Joe, this is Joe Smell. he's nobody special or famous he's just a guy who's like you know whatever job it is that he had which we don't really know because wasn't that was sort of yeah up in the air it's like he he didn't really wasn't really bring you know he wasn't the breadwinner and so maybe she was kind of like

I don't want to take care of this guy forever and you know this is this is reality so the fact that they got divorced after three months everyone is so shocked but the reality is like that doesn't change based on your age getting home and sort of realizing who's person is is sort of what happens, I think, a lot, right, with these situations. But I don't know, just the fact that she was so, so googly-eyed over him the entire time. It was, to me, I think she probably just didn't. She, like, overlooked a lot of things that maybe were issues and maybe on his side, too, because they were so kind of physically attached to, I think. Are we also still weirded out thinking about that Fantasy Suite episode and how he went into the Fantasy Suite, told Leslie,

obviously he was going to choose her, then somehow goes into the fantasy suite with Teresa after having kind of honestly an awkwardish date and then comes out being like, no, it's her. So what the heck happened? I don't know whether it was physical. I don't know whether they had like conversations about finances or who knows what the heck that changed something so dramatically. They never show us. I mean, I thought about this too, like the whole location thing.

They don't show that very much on the bachelor. Like, do they have a lot of conversations behind scenes? like does The Bachelor with their, you know, contestants, like about where they live. Because that's got to be a huge thing of who they, who they choose to be with. Like, is if somebody that's, you know, lives in L.A. and you're stuck in New York for your career. Like, are you going to choose that person? And they didn't show them really. I mean, they had the conversation after, I guess.

But I don't know. It's just interesting. They don't, they don't show those scenes of The Bachelor really talking to their contestants about that, like about where they live. Yeah. You know, I think I can't speak on it because I was. never in a serious enough relationship on the show to, like, get to that conversation. But I do feel like it is something that is talked about, especially once you get down to the

final three. I wish Ben were here to answer that question. Okay, Natalie, I got a question about marriage for you and maybe, maybe you know it, maybe you don't. Could this have been annulled, you think? And like, what are, what is the criteria for an annulment over a divorce after three months? Well, isn't an annulment? Isn't that, like, isn't a shorter time period? Like, it has to be within a certain. Am I wrong with that? No, because, like, if I remember my pop culture correctly, Kenny Chesney and Renee Zellweger,

they got an annulment after five months of marriage. Well, I'm guessing it has, it's financial, because she's like a financial planner, right? She was like, it seemed like she had her books in a row, and I'm sure she had the pre-up. They had the pre-up.

They did say on Good Morning America, there was a pre-up. So maybe that was why, like, either to have access to her money or something if they didn't get fully divorced. or something. I don't know. Yeah. Okay. I do think that was, I mean, that was when it came out that he, you know, wasn't kind of, you know, making a lot of money and she kind of had it together. That also made sense for why they ended up together. That's what I thought that I was like, I thought

that maybe that enticed him more. Right. Oh, I think for sure it did. I mean, yeah, I think. And then she probably was like, look, I was just talking a friend about this, but like when you get older, yeah, you want to take care of people, but you don't want to work forever, especially. you know, if you're in your 70s, you're like, maybe she was like, look, I don't want to take her, maybe she thought she could or she wanted to, but that gets old after a while, you know? Something, somebody got the ick, okay? Somebody, I think that maybe both of them did.

Yeah, because why were they so content in that interview? I mean, it really was like, I just watched it again, you know, before this. And I mean, they were really, I mean, I don't only just hold it. hands, but it's just too much. It seemed like over the top for me to show that much affection when announcing a divorce. Yeah. That's what made it. It's been phony and acting. And I'm like, oh, okay, so you guys been phony and acting the entire time, or at least for quite some months now. I think there were just issues that they don't want to talk about. Like when the beginning of the interview, he was sort of like, yeah, we had several conversations about, you know, living arrangements

and other things. So it's clear that they talked, you know, I think it just had. It was about probably just compatibility and like living with a person day to day and their habits and like, how do you know any of that before, you know, or maybe arguments or disagreements or, you know, a friend of mine saw them out in L.A. and said she was very, this was only like a few weeks ago. She was holding on really tight to him and sort of deer in headlights. And he was talking to everybody kind of more friendly. And so you're like, just there's. I'm sure there's tons of things that we just don't know, but they did a good job of, of, like, you know, keeping it together for that, but which surprised me about her, too, because she was so, like, in love with him, you know, the whole time to see her not upset, really,

was like, that told me that maybe it was her decision. Well, we know that if this means anything, he was the one to file in Indiana today for divorce. He was the initiator. I don't know if that means anything. I also wonder why they didn't pull a Marcus and Lacey and not even signed paperwork, just make it a televised event wedding and, like, not actually be illegally married. If I were them, I probably would have, I mean, I wouldn't have gotten married.

But if I did get married, I would have been like, all right, well, let's not actually make this official yet. I think they were just in this like whirlwind, like, why wouldn't you get married? And also, you're in your 70s. like, we're, you know, and plus it's going to be paid for. Like, you know, like, what, let's just go for it, you know, and then I don't know, the issues became too much. I mean, I think it's, yeah, that can happen to. I mean, I just think it's so easy to look at this couple on TV and the Golden Bachelor and, you know, it's like, they're so, oh, they're so in love. And we just don't see all the cracks and all the things, you know. And it doesn't mean that they weren't in

love or they tried, like a lot of people do. But, you know, and that they won't end up happily ever after like you did and like Ben did. And, you know, but I think, yeah, it's definitely an interesting, you know, situation. My last question for you is, what do you think Leslie's thinking today? I mean, I think she's probably secretly like a little, for sure. I think we all thought who was going to pick her. I mean, I definitely did um but she was young and like I just think he was focused more on someone who can take care of him that's my theory um and maybe she couldn't do that so but I bet you yeah I mean I'm sure she's sad for them but ultimately I would think as the runner up you're kind of like you know a little

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Welcome to Brown Ambition. This is the hard part when you pay down those credit cards. If you haven't gotten to the bottom of why you were racking up credit or turning to credit cards, you may just recreate the same problem a year from now. When you do feel like you are bleeding from these. high interest rates. I would start shopping for a debt consolidation loan, starting with your local credit union, shopping around online, looking for some online lenders because they tend to have fewer fees and be more affordable. Listen, I am not here to judge. It is so expensive in these streets. I 100% can see how in just a few months you can have this much credit card debt when it weighs on you.

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not to be confused with Susan Summers, because she's got to break down the shortest bachelor marriage. Susanna, why do you think that the Golden Bachelor has the shortest marriage? The one with the people that have apparently the most relationship experience and experience knowing themselves. Oh, man. I, you know, I had not to be pessimistic here, but I did have some concerns about Golden Bachelor when they first announced it, mainly because the Bachelor franchise casts from around the U.S. It's not like love is blind or married at first sight where they cast in the same like city or region, which isn't so. so much of a problem for younger people for The Bachelor and The Bachelorette, but when you think of

Golden Bachelor, these are people in their golden years who already have families, grandchildren, and most of them have settled down near them. So I actually had quite a few concerns before the show even aired about logistically, how are older people going to uproot their lives across the country? It's just much harder at that age than it is in your younger years. So it did feel very rushed that they got married before they even moved in together or moved near each other. The timing of this all, the thing that makes me scratch my head the most is five days ago, they were filming Celebrity Family Feud. And it will air in like a month or something.

But they have obviously decided already on divorce and they were separated by the time of this filming, which just confirms to me that the franchise was going to try to hide this. separation as long as possible? Yeah, it definitely feels like that. And I mean, I get it. It was the most successful spin-off show that they've ever had. If you look at Bachelor in Paradise, so many people who watch this show don't realize that Bachelor in Paradise actually has lower ratings every year than Bachelor and Bachelorette. So the fact that a spinoff show performed, it outperformed every single show last year, this year, and multiple years going back, you know, it makes sense that ABC is going to milk it for all of its worth. But I think a lot of people

weren't expecting a divorce this quickly, three months after a wedding. For sure. And what's interesting is that while Bachelor in Paradise has the lowest amount of viewers, it has the greatest percentages of couples that are still together, right? Yes. So when it comes to success rates on this show, there's a few different ways to slice and dice it. And I like to give a few disclaimers first. So it depends on what you define as success, because a lot of people just think of who is currently together in this day and time. And people forget Ashley and JP from the Bachelorette, they were together for almost 10 years and had two kids. Rachel and Brian, they were together for almost seven years. We had Caitlin and Sean that were together for over three

years. And also, if we go much further back to those early years on the Bachelor, we had Byron. I don't. watch that season. And Mary, they were together for over five years. Charlie and Sarah, they were together for four years. So a lot of people, they discount those relationships, but relationships over two, three years long, those are pretty successful in my book. But if we're talking of just who's currently together on the bachelorette, 18% of bachelorets are still together. So we've had 20 seasons with 22 different bacheloretts. So that's 18%. If we include those longer relationships, it goes up to 36%. But now if we look at Bachelor, we've had 28 seasons, 29 with Gary, six are still together. So that's 20.7%. So that's higher than the 18%

that we've seen for Bachelorette. If we include those longer relationships, it goes up to 28%. And then, oh, as far as divorces, Bachelorette has seen two divorces. The best Bachelor has not seen any divorces, just Golden Bachelor. And then Bachelor in Paradise, this is where we see the higher success rates. So couples that are still together on Bachelor in Paradise, it's 29.7%. So that means couples who, like, I know that Jared and I are included in that. And so are couples like Astrid and Kevin and Raven and Adam, couples who got together eventually, but didn't leave the show engaged.

Becca and Thomas, actually a huge chunk of them. Abigail and Noah, I could keep going. Yeah. You know, and that's the thing. I credit that those couples are together. And same thing for The Bachelor, because a lot of people don't like to include Ari and Lauren as a success number.

It would be the same thing as Jason, Molly. Yeah. Exactly. But if you think about it, that relationship would have never happened without the show. So if you want to talk about leads that are still with the final person, that's a different stat. So like I said, there's so many different ways to slice and dice this. And people love to cherry pick on like who they want to

include. So I like to include all of these numbers. But couples that are still currently together from Bachelor in Paradise, it's 11 couples out of 37. So that's that 29.7%. But we've had three divorces from Bachelor in Paradise. So we had Carly and Evan. They were together for five years, had a kid uh two kids one kid two kids um chris and crystal that was a shorter relationship though they were together for one one point six years and then lacey and marcus from season one but this one's debatable so they had a televised wedding they flew them down to mexico had their wedding there but they actually never legally got married but they were together for two years so if we include those divorces it goes up to 38 percent of success rates um and then also brendon and

hyper were together for two years after the show. So that then boosts it up to 40%. So it's again, however you want to slice and dice it, the show is actually pretty successful. And it, it's around this time that we hear like Golden Bachelors getting a divorce that there's so much clickbait out there where people are like, this show is horrible. It doesn't work, blah, blah, blah, cancel the show. And it's like, the success rates are actually pretty good. I know back in my day when I was single, if I had had a 20% success rate on Tinder and Bumble was swiping and finding good men, like, that's a great success rate. And I know it's only gotten worse in the last 10 years. And the bachelor numbers, I feel like, have gotten

better in the past 10 years. Yes. So the really interesting stat that I found, so rumors started to kind of circulate a few days ago about this potential divorce dropping. So I started digging into the numbers post-pandemic success rates. And here's where I have a lot of opinions, which I never give opinions on my account. I was going to ask you for a couple more opinions after this and tell us your opinion here. Okay. So post-pandemic, so when the world shut down, it was the, they literally shut down filming. I think it was like two days after the NBA shutdown was supposed to film. So ever since the world shut down and we came back for Clarenetia season, we have had four bachelors, five if you include Golden. Okay. And then we've had seven bachelorets, which is insane.

because we had Clare and Tasia for season 16. And then the next year we had Katie and Michelle had two seasons. And then we had in 2023, Gabby and Rachel shared a season. So we've had a lot of bacheloretts. Yeah. The bachelor. Not a lot of success with the bacheloretts, interestingly. No.

But the bachelor, three of the four are still together. So we had Matt and Rachel. They're still together. Clayton didn't work out. Zach and Katie are still together. And Joey and Kelsey. you know, their season just in it. So that's a really good success rate. And the craziest part is pre-pandemic. The Bachelorette was the most successful franchise. And it was the running joke.

It was like, of course, because women are so much better at picking. Yeah, I noticed on your stats today that that's switched over. Yeah. So here's, here's the variable because I dug into it. Because for so long, pre-pandemic, it was always Bachelorette was more successful. And on top of that, Bacheloretts almost, like, their rate of choosing their first impression rows as their finalist was super high. So it was very much this like women just know how to choose better. I remember. Here's what's changed. So before the pandemic, the bachelor and the bachelorette was 10 weeks of filming. A week on this show is the dates plus the rose ceremony. I count that as a week. It's actually like sometimes it's four days, sometimes it's six days depending on traveling. But it's 10 weeks of dates plus

rose ceremonies. Okay, seven before hometowns. And then you have hometowns, overnights, and then you meet the family. The bachelor structure has not changed. It has continued to be 10 weeks every single season. But the bachelorette has changed. So Claire, obviously, she ended her season after like a week and a half. And she was like, peace out. I'm going with Dale. So Tasha's naturally was shorter. That made sense. Then when it came time for, when it came time for Katie and Michelle's season, those were eight and nine weeks. And then Gabby and Rachel, even though they were sharing a group of men and

getting less dates than leads normally get, they only got nine weeks. And then Charity had eight weeks. Interesting. Interesting. Okay. Well, that could be a reason for that now for Gary and Teresa. We know that their season was actually the shortest of all seasons ever for a lead show and they only had i wanted to say that they had four to six weeks of filming instead of the standard as you said eight to ten yeah all right well who knows what contributed to

this split but bachelor data we are just really happy that you came on gave us your insight and we hope to have you back soon thanks for having me well that's all we have that was a lot on the Golden Divorce. Hopefully we have some more gossip coming up. Some more of these Golden Ladies will talk and we'll find out more about what went wrong between

Teresa and Gary and I'm sorry. I'm trying to sound salacious about this, but I think it's more salacious than distance. Thank you guys for joining me. We love you all. And until next time I have been Ashley. See ya.

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