The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - The Golden Rule

Episode Date: October 21, 2023

Ben is joined by his wife Jess to help recap this week’s episode of The Golden Bachelor! Ben has noticed something during the game of Never Have I Ever that sets this show apart from the main franchise in a MAJOR way.  We get into all the details (and all the leg) of Leslie’s one on one date, and why she might get Gerry’s final rose. Plus, we hear some piping hot takes on this season from Jess’s Nana!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and the grandma nana hello everybody she's not a grandma she's a nana she's a nana hello nana hi um as we've done every week here uh it's been really fun as we've watched the golden bachelor we've had people come on special guests uh that are within the age range of the people on the show giving us their opinion on what they're watching how they're feeling how they're enjoying the golden bachelor and then obviously uh we've got jesska here who likes to jump in now and again a few times and you know hon i was telling everybody that you really have never watched a full season um of the bachelor right no i've never watched the full original bachelor this is my first go around the golden one and you're loving it you're loving it we're watching

it you're crying you're feeling all the feels like you're into it yes i just i really love gary i think he's such a sweet man i hope that he's being protected and cared for um i i've really been loving watching his journey and then nana you've seen every episode of the golden bachelor as well right yes i have and just so everybody has an idea here as they're about to listen to us break down this episode okay what is your general thoughts on the golden bachelor so far my my general thoughts is that I love it. It's, um, it's, it's real, it feels a lot more real to me. Yeah.

Um, and I like that. And I think, I think they're more real. Their emotions come out. They're and it, and it feels genuine. Yeah. And I didn't always feel that way about the bachelor. I agree. And I think that's a general.

consensus. I think that's why 11 million people are viewing this show. I've been able to be around some people who are viewing the show and there's an emotion. In fact, Nana, I want to tell you this story a few weeks ago. I was able to be a part of a watch party for the show. And I had a lady come up to me and she was in tears. And she said, you know, I lost my husband a few years ago. And this is just helping me like relate with that like second chance at love or wanting companionship we're putting yourself out there, taking these risks. And I was like, that's what this show used to be, maybe, when The Bachelor was really good back in the day.

It was authentic and there was a genuineness. And now I think the Golden Bachelor is kind of bringing back that vibe of people being real, trying something new, attempting to find love. But if anything else, they're having a good time doing it. And so I agree with you. I think this show is great. Well, we're going to dive into this episode. kicks off. We're, what, four, three, four episodes in to the Golden Bachelor. Gary has

kind of started off this episode. We're going to see more emotion out of Gary as the episodes progress. In this episode, he, the sneak peek, he, we see Gary saying he hasn't felt this way since meeting his wife 40 years ago. And so Gary's getting in it. He's, he's feeling the feels. He's connecting with multiple women. And then the first scene of the episode is where we get a sneak peek at one of our favorite Bachelor Nation alum, Bachelorette number one. Trista Sutter is on the show, which I think is personally very cool because I know a lot of people in that room probably watched Trista during her journey to find love on The Bachelorette. So Nana, did you watch episode or season one of The Bachelorette? Do you remember Trista?

no absolutely i don't okay well that's fine i do i never watched her episode however she does live out here in colorado as well uh she is an incredible human i was happy to see her on the show and they're getting ready to play pickleball so it's a group date here pickleball is is the sport of choice gary's a big pickleball player back home uh he prefers pickleball over every other hobby he has um some of these women look like they've played pickleball once or twice. We actually have somebody that instructs pickleball. This group date is set up where they're competing against each other to see who the pickleball champion may be. Now, fun date, not a lot goes on here. We don't even see a ton, really, other than them hitting the ball back and forth. But there is something I wanted

to bring up to the two of you. One of our favorites here at the almost famous podcast, Sandra. Sandra at this pickleball date admits to Gary that she is here on the Golden Bachelor and as a result she's missing her daughter's wedding. Love to hear you guys' reaction to that. What did you think? It made me squirm a little bit, to be honest. It felt very awkward to me, but it might not feel awkward to everybody. So I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Jess, let's start with you. Personally, I think that if my mom's, said that she was going on the bachelor and it would interfere with my wedding, I would really sit down and talk with her about it. I'm sure that Sandra, Sandra did with her daughter as well. I bet that they had a lot of conversations and they go on the same page. I know I had a friend who went pretty far in the bachelor process and she decided not to go through with it because she had a lot of friends' weddings that year. So I think that it just kind of depends on the conversations that you have with people,

I would have a hard time with it. But I just have to assume that they had a lot of really, really good conversations beforehand. I don't know, that, it made me scrimmed too just a little. What do you think, Nana? Well, I think initially I felt like, you know, what you said, Jessica, that, oh, that's a little strange, having had daughters that have gotten married.

But when you get into the cat, I mean, it's her life. And obviously, she's got a wonderful relationship, as far as I'm concerned, with her daughter, to be able to do that. So I thought it was great. And I admire her for her. Do you admire Sandra or her daughter more? I admire Sandra. for being able to say to her daughter, this is really what I want to do.

And I admire her daughter for saying, Mom, if that's what you want, God knows. Her mother is old enough to know what she wants at this point in her life. So I think for me it was fine. You know, I think there is the element there too

where a lot of the, like a general theme throughout the Golden Bachelor has been that not only Gary, but the women that came on the Golden Bachelor, bachelor are making this decision to do something for themselves like they're taking that step out there to do something new exciting to shake life up a bit and i i'm i admire that because i don't think probably a lot of these these women especially have made that decision many times here in the past where they've said you know what i want to do this i'm going to do this i know that things might

get pushed aside and i know some of my responsibilities uh and obligations in life might have to take a back seat, but I want to give this a shot because I think it's worth it. And I do think that's something admirable. And I think it's healthy in a lot of ways because I'm hoping every single woman who comes on this show leaves going, I'm glad I did it. Like if anything, I'd ended up with Gary, but I'm just glad I did it because it made me feel something new again. You know, we kind of flash through then this group date and the cocktail party. We see, a really great moment with Ellen and Ellen kind of has a high or at least a very noticeable role in this episode. Ellen starts telling Gary obviously later on in the episode that she is starting

to fall in love with him. She kind of has that twinkle in her eye. I believe it when she says it. Sometimes on this show when you watch maybe The Bachelor or Bachelor, somebody says this and you're like, I don't know if you really mean that. I think when these women say it, I think they mean it because they know what that feels like. It's a beautiful moment between the two of them, but this is where I want to pause for all of us here and talk about Gary for a second. I'd love to get, you know, Jess had already mentioned

that she loves Gary. She really thinks he's a good dude. She's hoping somebody's protecting him and looking out for him on this show. Nana, what is your thoughts about Gary, you know, as you watch The Golden Bachelor? Well, initially, the first episode, I was kind of turned off because I didn't like the whole emotional start with crying and,

you know, I felt like that, you know, that that was kind of, you know, that made women feel sorry for him. And that's really not, I would rather have seen something like, you know, I had a wonderful marriage. I love my wife, and that's why I'm here. But that's me personally. That was the first episode. After that, and as I got to try and understand him a little bit more, he comes across this much more genuinely. And he has life experiences in back of him,

which make all the difference in the world as far as I'm concerned. So at this point, I like him, I think he's genuine. I felt really moved by that episode last night with Ellen. I thought that was beautiful. I thought that they were both very sincere. I do think you're hitting on something there, Nana, that's interesting. Because I have felt, and maybe I've never even thought about it until you just said it,

you know, we did start out with a lot of emotion. and every time Gary talked about his late wife there were tears and he couldn't get the words out and he couldn't talk about it with any of the women and we did see a lot of emotion initially from him but I do feel like there was a pivot at some point during these last four episodes where he's able to speak about his late wife with love and respect and admiration but speak about it now with the confidence of what could be in the future as well and so at some point um I do think there was a turning point for him that maybe we don't even know when it happened. I would like to kind of point back maybe to when he first kind of started talking to Teresa in the

diner and she shared her story as well that something happened inside of him that made him feel like I can now continue on still be emotional but not be unable to speak about this in a way that's positive and uplifting. And so we've seen that more recently. We haven't seen the tears from Gary outside of when he has to say goodbye to somebody. We haven't necessarily seen the tears when Gary shares his story. I think that's really great is when you get to a place that you can share your story with confidence. And I think we're seeing that out of Gary now. It feels a lot more genuine when he's saying goodbye to somebody to show the tears.

I think that that's great. It means he's made an attachment and he feels a loss. So that's fine. I think it's much more appropriate. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.

This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other. other, but I just want her gone. Now hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not?

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Trust me. New episodes every Wednesday on Exactly Right. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. So, so you're saying as, as the seasons progressed, you have become more of a fan of Gary and that you are, and would you say you're in a place where as you watch this show, you are hoping that he finds what he's looking for in the end, that you're rooting for Gary? Yes. And I, and I think he will know when he, finds it. Yeah, I am. Yeah, I think I'll know too. There's a depth and like you said, a life experience that does make me feel like Gary will know when he finds his one. Well, we really can't break down the Golden Bachelor at its current state without talking about the

little drama. I'm going to call it little because it is very minor compared to what we usually see when we watch the Bachelor or Bachelorette. The little drama that's happening, between Kathy and Teresa. You know, Jess and I watched the episode last night. We kind of spoke about where this was possibly coming from. Nana, you know, as we mentioned, you have friends in this age group. You understand this age group. So as you watch this argument being played out where Kathy is upset that Teresa continues to speak about her connection with Gary

and Teresa is now confused that Kathy's upset because Teresa felt like all of them were doing it. Is this common in this age group? Are you watching this feeling like this is odd to you? How do you feel about this whole situation? I don't think it's common. I think the older you get, the more you realize what's really important. And I don't, you know, she obviously did not feel comfortable with herself. See, that's how, you know, I would interpret it.

She's just not comfortable with herself. So she takes it out on somebody else. But you're saying Kathy, I think, Kathy's not comfortable. Okay. Yeah. Okay. But I think that Teresa was very genuine. I think, you know, she really didn't mean it viciously.

You know, I think she, she acted the way she, the way any of us would act. So I, you know, it's too bad. It's too bad that Kathy didn't feel more comfortable with herself to be able to deal with whatever was going on. But she didn't. So I don't think it's common. I don't think it's common. This behavior, I guess, is not something that when you're around your friends, this kind of, I'll call it like cattyness, this kind of being jealous and upset. You don't feel like that happens as much.

And as you said, as you get older, you begin to know what's important more. And maybe with a little confidence, she wouldn't have reacted the way she did. And that's what Jessica and I talked about last night was, you know, Teresa obviously has this great connection with Gary. Their relationship is going in a terrific direction. It feels like there's a lot of potential for the two of them together. And Kathy maybe doesn't feel that. And so as a result, she's lashing out, trying to come out with excuses. It's interesting, Jess, I want to hear your opinion on this.

In a lot of ways, when we watch The Bachelor, the same stuff happens. And yes, maybe it's a little more overblown. And yes, maybe it's a little harsher at times. There's maybe some screaming and yelling like that. kind of stuff can go on. But at the foundation of it, it's the same thing, right? Somebody's feeling a lack of confidence. They're feeling maybe like they might be going home. They kind of put a target on the back of the person that obviously has a connection with the lead. And it just never ends well either way. Where do you think this comes from as we kind of now talk about like your

friend group or people that you know that have these same kind of conversations? Why do you think this exists? I think, I mean, Nana's spot on. I think it just comes from a little bit of insecurity. Like I, even last night when we were watching, Kathy kept saying that a lot of other women

had stronger connections than she did. So she's recognizing that and she's probably feeling super insecure. And when I feel like when guys feel insecure, a lot of times they do like, I mean, it's stereotypical, but they'll do something physical to like prove that

they are better than whomever. or they'll like ask to compete in something that they know they'll win in. And for women, we kind of tear down more with words where we're like, well, you should just zip it. Which honestly, the fact that that got such like a crystal reaction from Gary when Teresa said that she told her to zip it, like, oh, I made my heart sore because zip it is like the kindest way to tell someone to be quiet. And Gary, but Gary got so upset by it.

And I'm like, wow. I feel like watching these people that have more life experience go through something like this, we realize that as you could older, you are recognizing that treating everyone with the utmost respect is one of the most important things in life. And I think that that's why this like, as you said, like this little piece of drama exploded because we're seeing these people not respect others. And that's a really, really big deal to this specific group. And I think that's really cool to see, especially as someone who's younger and who hears a lot of drama that's very insignificant, but gets a stronger reaction.

Yeah, I just, I feel like I'm learning a lot watching these people go through a very strange experience and the way that they're dealing with other people. Like the women in this house seem to really love each other and don't want, they want what's best for one another. And I know Nana and I have talked a lot about this, or we've talked about it before, where Nana said, these women know what they want. And so this competition thing with one another, I feel that we're not seeing as much. Explain that a little further. What do you mean by that? They know what they want. And so we don't see the competition.

Nana is the one that brought it up. So, Nana, when you say that these women know what they want, is that just because they've loved before a lot of them. have had spouses. And so do you think that they're not as competitive with one another? I think that a big part of it is because they have loved before. They have experienced all kinds of emotions. And each one, their own separate, different. So, yeah, I think that they could be very affectionate towards Jerry

and think that he's a great friend. all, but they know in their heart whether or not this is, this is the one. I don't think, you know, I think that they just know. And so it doesn't bother them as much. They're happy for the other people because in their heart, they may be, this may not be. So, you know, I think they take care of one another. And I think that's what happens as you get older. and i think we kind of see that nana it's interesting and uh the parallels here we see that

that that what you're talking about when they sit down uh during leslie's date which we'll get into but the the other women at the house are playing never have i ever which is is usually a very fun game but if i ever played that i would have never agreed to play that when i was on the show and the reason is is because you couldn't be honest because there'd be a ton of judgment so say i was the one that was sitting there and it's like have you ever kissed somebody else's husband or whatever that question was that feels like whoa that's obviously a big story something that's like fairly very controversial probably not a good season of your life but she was honest she said she had okay and if we were doing this on the bachelor bachelor bachelor at you would have seen interviews

with all these women being like i don't like that woman like she's a terrible human she's this and this and this and it would have been a lot of judgment and a lot of criticism But in this situation, there was a lack of judgment. There was almost a laughter at like, hey, we've all had some life. Like, we've all done things we're not proud of. Like, I can't judge you for your mistakes because I don't want you judging me for mine. And I do think we almost see like a support during that game for each other. Because in my mind, when they started playing Never Have Ever, I was like, this is going to end terribly.

Like somebody is going to get really mad. Somebody's going to get really upset. Somebody's going to feel really a lot of shame and good. guilt from this game. But they didn't. It ended fairly well other than Sandra having a bad stomach eight because she ate some ice cream. I thought that was a great part of the show. Yeah. Just to see the honesty. And it was fun. It's fun. Yeah. It's, you know, it's humanizing. You know, I think oftentimes the younger generation looks at the people who are older than them. and they don't think though the older generation has dealt with the same kind of stuff that we're

dealing with today and I think those moments humanize the older generation for all of us to watch and be like you know what they were young ones too they made stupid decisions once too they're human they're not perfect and I do think that's a really cool part about watching this experience well we got to jump into Leslie's date Leslie has the one-on-one this week Leslie's wearing the short shorts, and she's pulling them off. Jess and I talked about last night. Jess says she's got great legs. So, hey, good for her.

She should be wearing what she's wearing. They go on an ATV ride through the Los Angeles Desert. Looks like a ton of fun. Looks like a great experience. They can't really talk to each other, so they're just cruising around for a bit. But, you know, Leslie has been a big character on this show since the beginning. she introduced herself as the sexy dancer we saw her dance moves during the talent show i think

gary is is very interested in leslie but i would love to also hear your thoughts on leslie after this date and kind of leading up to this day what are your thoughts on on leslie and kind of where does she sit maybe for you in terms of her connection with gary so uh nana will start with you this time i really like leslie and i like her willingness to be who she really is. She liked riding the ATV. She had her shorts on. She danced. She gave herself permission to be herself. So I liked her. And I think he liked her too because, yeah, she she was herself. She was genuine. Nana, do you think that for Gary Leslie is more of like a physical attraction, or do you think that they can connect emotionally? I think that if any of this is going to work, it's going to be connecting emotionally. So, you know, if there's a chance, I think they can.

Would you ever get on an ATV? Anna? No. I may have, you know, at some point, but not. I mean, I give her credit. Yeah. I agree. I don't think I would get me.

Sure. That wouldn't be me. It is impressive to me. We've talked about it every week so far. but you know most people on the show right now are in their late 60s early 70s it's kind of the age range that we have it's impressive the amount of physical activity and also energy that everybody has to be up early in the morning going to bed very late at night and also throughout the whole day doing an activity of some kind socializing maybe with their friends like it it feels like it would be exhausting for me now and I can't imagine now you know 40 years from me from this day having that energy to keep going every day uh on and on i'm impressed so nana are you impressed with um the the physical uh aptitude that everybody on the show seems to have um yeah well you know what i see that in my in my life every day i you know the people that

I hang with, if you will, that's how they are. They're physical, they're active, they're, you know, that's the way they live. So, and I admire that. So I think these women are great. And, and, and you know, by doing this, I think it gives them, it gives them permission to be, to let themselves out. I think that that really gives them permission and and when you start letting yourself out, who knows what can happen. So to dig into that a little bit, I'm curious.

So do you feel like, because I think it's such a beautiful thing is to give yourself permission to let yourselves out to live a little. So in your 70s, do you think men and women may be, be if you know take this show out of consideration do you think they feel a pressure to not just let themselves free at times do you think they have some restrictions maybe in their everyday life that forces them to not just be able to let loose and have fun like they're able to on the show yes I think they do and I guess I can honestly say that I probably know some women who you know just don't have the ability to be who they really are

for a lot of reasons yeah that's a beautiful part of the show then i mean it's a side kind of a side part of the show that we're able to witness a bunch of people uh having a lot of fun and and being free during this whole experience maybe for the first time in a while i can't imagine what that feels like it i think it's great it's it's it's great you're giving them permission well it's my no and i think you're right and I think we see it and I think we're seeing it with Leslie uh you know Leslie had mentioned to Gary that she'd been single for 22 years um I do think there is something to this relationship uh I don't know the depth that it will go but I do think there is a connection there and I do

think Gary is very attracted to her but I also think there um it feels like for whatever season of life Gary is going to be entering into he is looking for somebody who can have fun with him who can joke with him who he's attracted to And so far, Leslie matches all of those. I still feel like even after this date, personally, it didn't have the depth that we've seen on other one-on-one dates that he's had this season. I don't think I can leave it being like their depth that they got to so easily feels like one that could propel them into a future together. But I still think there's something there. Do you guys agree?

I do. yeah i think um the one thing that's always been confusing me about the show is the amount of time you get with the person i know that i've talked to you a lot about that too ben so i feel like a lot of it like i feel like it you just have to have more time to make those deep connections so if leslie's there longer than they they they definitely could um also i'm at work i have a client here i just wanted to get you guys going but nana and ben i know that you guys are going to have a great rest of your conversation. I just have to sign off.

Okay. I love you guys. Bye. Love you all. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.

This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor, lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now hold up, isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the

Explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Imagine that you're on an airplane, and all of a sudden, you hear this. Attention passengers, the pilot is having an emergency, and we need someone, anyone, to land this plane.

Think you could do it? It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that they could land the plane with the help of air traffic control. And they're saying, like, okay, pull this, do this, pull that, turn this. It's just... I can do it my eyes close.

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We didn't see it. Maybe I missed it, but like it kind of came out of nowhere for me. and then Nancy's going to go home because of it. That's too bad. But I'm not shocked. I don't know if Nancy wanted to be there necessarily much longer. It felt like she was kind of like having fun and into the experience, but it never felt like Nancy really like dove into a connection with Gary.

Well, she said it. I mean, what she said is that she doesn't feel like she's, she's part of the people he's interested in. you know i didn't get the impression she was going home because of her leg i got the impression that she just didn't feel comfortable there she didn't feel comfortable with the whole situation yeah and she didn't feel that she real that he really made a connection with her and he agreed yeah he did agree i think i think she was probably going home that evening and so you know from my experience in the show it's always nice to have when somebody

doesn't feel it. It's nice to have that kind of closing conversation. Because if not, you're just kind of not giving them a rose and they're going home. They're getting in a car and they're gone. So it is nice to kind of have that closure of, hey, this is great. I think you're great. But we're not clicking like we know we should be. And I'm just going to go home. And so I'm not surprised by Nancy's departure. In fact, I do think it made a little easier on Gary at the end of the evening so that he didn't have to let go of three women and said he only had to do two at the rose ceremony. Sandra's sick.

As she mentioned, kind of in, just as she ate the ice cream, she said, hey, I shouldn't have this ice cream because I'm not going to feel good. And sure enough, we see her laying in bed, just kind of sulking in her, you know, lactose intolerant miseries, which is never fun for anybody and probably not something you want to have as you're also trying to date on a national television show. That's true. you know um well the rose ceremony the cocktail party kind of continues the only part about the cocktail party that i really believe is worth speaking of is the conversation with ellen we talked

about ellen earlier on she was very open about her feelings i believe them i can see in her eyes there is a sparkle there is an excitement and uh she kind of continues that conversation that she had earlier uh with gary into then this evening and gary responds with uh pretty much telling her without telling her hey i'm feeling the same way you are and he makes this comment nana he says um he thought uh the world ended when he lost uh his his late wife tony but he has that feeling again it's the it's what we got in the sneak peek at the beginning um as you see this scene it's really the first time that we've seen this type of depth and um emotion and uh i guess just somebody you know explaining how much they're feeling for each other on this show so far

how does it make you feel i felt great i i i felt like it was so sincere and so genuine um and and i could see where it could just ring up all those feelings i i i thought it was beautiful i i thought it was beautiful i really did i felt again like he was they're really into each other yeah yeah in fact i got a lot of texts last night from people who are watching the episode and i think this this moment is a moment that so many viewers have been waiting for where they feel like hey this could work this is really good because i think viewers have been convinced since early on in this season that there's a genuineness um that there is a desire to find somebody but also as you were you know explaining there's also viewers are enjoying seeing

people kind of thrive in this environment and seeing how people in their 60s and 70s get along when they live inside of a mansion but I think most a lot of viewers are waiting for this kind of breakpoint where now we're seeing you know real feelings start to get said I will say this with the caveat though Nana I think opening up this door for Gary as he starts to feel these things and starts to express these things is only going to make this experience a lot harder for him.

I don't think he's ready personally for the amount of feelings and emotions he's about to get as the season continues. And that may be. That's important. Is he ready? I mean, and I don't know.

It hasn't been that long, right? As I remember, that he lost his wife. I think it's seven years. so it's seven years but i think that's seven years of pretty much not dating and so you know that's it's seven years of not having these feelings and now he might be feeling as we see on most seasons he might have these same feelings for multiple people and he's going to end up having to say goodbye to people that he deeply cares about that and he's not used to feeling this way uh it's been 47 years you know since he met his his wife and so

47 years of not kind of having these love feelings. And I think it's going to make it really hard on them as we continue on. I think that's a great point. I didn't think of it that way. But, yeah, you know, how do you interpret everything that's going on inside of you? Is this really what I feel or is it, do I miss my wife? You know, I think I agree with you, Ben. and I think it's going to be harder and harder.

Yeah, which as a viewer, I'm excited for. But if I'm Gary and I'm thinking about Gary, I'm sad for because I think it's going to be a really hard road to the happiness that he's hoping for at the end, and we hope that he finds that happiness. As a viewer, I am excited to see what emotions and what feelings come out now from this point forward because I think they're going to be very real for everybody. And I think they're going to be very believable for us as the audience.

And I think we're going to be kind of on the edge of our seat wondering, how in the world is he going to say goodbye to one of these people? Because I know he cares about them all so much. Yes. And it's a real, it's a real growth process for him. It's a real moving forward time for him. And it's going to be painful, you know, there's things he has to let go of and hang on. to. So I think it will be difficult. But I think it's good. Yeah. It's healthy, right? You would say it's healthy? It's very healthy. It's helping him to get some closure in his life and to resolve some of the grief and getting permission. I think that's the biggest thing. He's got permission to move forward. That's beautiful. Yeah. Permission to move forward. We're going to see it with

their own eyes as we continue to watch this season. But as this episode ended, Ellen, Faith, Susan and Teresa are left along with Sandra and Leslie, who got the roses during the episode. Kathy and April are going home. I'm not shocked or surprised. Nana, were you shocked or surprised by the two eliminations this week? No. No, it's, it's kind of the way we, I figured it would go. Yeah, I think so. I think I was talking about Sandra. Yeah. I think she's a real genuine person, you know, and I think he sees her as that as a real genuine person. Not necessarily somebody's going to fall in love with, but just a real genuine person. Yeah, I want to see more from her. I think you're right. Like, she comes

off very genuine. We, Jess and I love watching her on television. I think she has this calm demeanor about her and she's, she's very, you know, a very prevalent person on the show. But we haven't gotten um enough i want to know a little more i want to see the two of them together now i mean he used the word empathy when he talked about her yeah you can and you could see that she's a very empathetic person you know i am a little you know and you brought up a good point about her i think when he gave her the rose you know he mentioned that she gave a big sacrifice to stay and be on that show um i would have you know i think that's great and i think he really means that but yet we haven't necessarily seen seen him say and i just want her around because i just i i can't get enough

of her you know like i just need her around like i think he gave her the rose because he's like you're awesome i'm into but you also give up a big sacrifice so in a sense i kind of feel like i want to give you this gift for doing this but it wasn't necessarily saying i want to give you this rose because I just can't think of you not being here any longer. Yes, I know. Yeah. I mean, he's getting attached to people at different levels than

falling in love with them. I think he's getting attached to people emotionally at this point. Not that it's necessarily he's in love with them and maybe he's working towards that. But he's, he's, emotionally attached to the women, and he really likes them all.

As we mentioned, that's not going to get any easier. Every week that goes by, his emotions are going to continue to heighten. His connections are going to continue to grow, and the women's connections are going to continue to grow. It's going to be a very interesting dynamic as this season continues. Well, in the sneak peaks, we see what we've been seeing for multiple weeks. Gary is having a very difficult time processing a lot of these feelings, but we also see a lot of good connections and him being very happy. And so we don't get a lot from the sneak peeks, but we will be tuning in every week and

breaking it down here on the Almost Famous Podcasts today. We want to give a very special thank you to Nana, just because Grandma for coming on, walking us through this. She absolutely crushed it. It's a big deal when you come on and over 50,000 people are going to listen to your voice now over the next week. And you did it so well. They're not the people.

It's my kids. oh it's so good they they're going to be your biggest fans nana thank you so much uh really appreciate it and you did great oh thank you ben you're the best um with that this has been another episode of the almost famous podcast until next week when we'll be breaking down bachelor in paradise bachelor headlines more golden bachelor i've been ben we'll talk to you soon Radio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit.

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