The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - The Golden Rules with Gary Levingston

Episode Date: July 31, 2025

Gary Levingston is the hottest commodity on the beach at "Bachelor in Paradise" and he's sitting down with Bob Guiney in Lake Tahoe to talk all about it! Gary is giving a recap of the pickleball tournament he played in alongside a former leggy date!From what constitutes as cheating to his thoughts on intimacy on the first date - Gary is giving us his wise opinion on love and life. Email us at: [e-mail] or call us at 844-4-I Do Pod (844-443-6763)Follow I Do, Part 2 on Instagram and TikTokSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And today I am joined by Returncast that I know, I love, and I know you know, and you love from the Golden Bachelorette. And this season now of Bachelor in Paradise, which we're going to talk about today, my man, Gary Levingston. Gary! Hey, what's going on, Bob? One of my fastest friends from this whole franchise. You know that?

Great to see you, too. Really? Oh, I love it. I'm humbled. I'm honored. Thank you. You're very welcome, buddy. Such kind words.

Now, you know, I think the first time we got to hang out was in, at the golf tournament. Yes. And, um, Pubble Beach. And, uh, man, we just hit it off right away. You were so much fun, such an easy guy to talk to. I also loved how you sort of wrangled all the goldens, right? The mansion men, you were, uh, you were kind of, uh, the voice of reason for a lot of those guys, I think, uh, but also a nice sounding board, like you all get along so great.

It really does remind me. I told Joan this as well, uh, of course, a beautiful Joe in the Bachelorette, but I told the golden bachelor's, I told her that it reminded me so much of Trista's season. And so, you know, Trista, I feel like really set the bar so high for this whole franchise. And how she did it was encouraging us to be friends. Like, the guys were friends. And granted, that was a lot of us behind the scenes, too. Like, I just refuse, I can't not be friends with everyone.

It breaks my, I can't do it. And so I remember being on the show and thinking, you know, well, there's, I'm not competing with these guys. Like, she's going to like who she likes. These guys are going to be my buddies. And to this day, you know, I'm still great friends with Ryan, of course, with Charlie Maher, who was the runner up for Trista's season. All the final four guys were all good buddies. But I was actually number five or six on that show.

Jamie Blythe, who we've had on the show. I mean, just so many guys. And I feel like you guys kind of had that same type of season. Your crew still gets together. I mean, it's night. Was that a conscious decision or does this just happen with age? It just, I think, I don't know if it's age or whatever. I think it was just a combination of things where we all just felt safe with each other

because we were isolated. Right. But it took us back to a day and time when we were growing up, when we didn't have technology. Right. Yeah. Because you can't have your phones. Yeah. And as a result of that, I think we just all felt as though once we got that first rose, that was the crew.

Yeah. The mansion men. That was your, that was your crew. The mansion men. Yeah. It was like a fraternity, the exclusive club. Yeah. You all moved into the mansion together.

All moved in together. And that's like, hey, we must be boys, right? we're all we got. That's it. It was a big time bromance and connection. Totally. Well, you can always tell. I think that's why the show was such a treat. I've said it often, but I was expecting the Bachelor franchise to kind of not handle that the way that they did. Right. So my concern, and I had concerns about the season of Paradise. We're going to talk about that too. But my concern about the way that they were going to cast that show was, you know, oh, we want the drama. So we're going to have, you know, actually started with Gary's season, right? With

And so they're like, they cast age appropriate women, just like on Jones season, they cast age appropriate men. Yes. And I loved that because my fear was that they were going to kind of do what Paradise is doing now, right? Where they bring in the youngies and the oldies and they mix it up and it's like, what's going to happen and everyone's going to look weird and gross. And I think that that hasn't happened, which I'm excited about.

But it was also one of those things where it would have bred competition. It would have bred angst and tension that didn't need to be there. And that's why I think the golden franchise has taken off the way it has. You know, it's an interesting point to make because I don't think the executive producers anticipated what the outcome was. Yeah. And as it was happening, they were, I think, surprised at the twist and turn of where we took the show and then where they let it go. Yeah. As a result of what we brought.

The response to the camaraderie was nice. Yes, yes, yes. and it wasn't like there needed to be controversy. No. We didn't need any angst or any, any of that. No. It was, it was us being close, which made even more special. Yeah.

No, and it was a flashback for me. I mean, it was like watching Trista season. Trista and I were talking about this earlier today. Because, of course, real quick, we are coming to you from the summer house here in Lake Tahoe, the VRBO summer house. So procrastinators rejoice. The early bird is not the only one who gets the warm. VRBO offers last minute deals for private vacation rentals, of course. And one of the things that I love, we are in a sweet place, the river house.

It is. We are also in a really cool little community here in Lake Tahoe. And if people haven't ever been here to visit before, you've got to make sure you'd get here because it is so cool. But Trista and Ryan are here, of course, who I still think are the king and queen of the franchise, right? I think I'm like the Jack. Right? I don't think you're the Jack, Bob. What do I be the Bishop?

Chip. What am I? I'm whatever it is the next, dude. You know, just from age alone. But, but it's so nice to be here with them because we started this whole journey together 22 years ago. Wow. And we were really great friends on Trista's season. And so, and I tried to encourage that on my season of The Bachelor, which came shortly thereafter. And I think I got us there, you know, but it was harder to do at that time. Because you didn't have the history of the show to look back on. And I think now, watching how the Golden's handle it, like I said, I absolutely love that. So great job. I think it's reflected well on all of you. And it's why, I think, in large part, you guys have kind of continued on

in that Bachelor zeitgeist, right? You guys have really kind of moved in. And it's like, you know, the IHeart family loves the Golden so much. I mean, we aren't doing events without a bunch of Goldens because we love it. I think we love the levity that it brings to these situations.

We love the fun. You know, it's also fun to, you know, get a bunch of young people who don't know what the hell they're talking about to talk to, and then you can kind of, you know, just make fun of them and enjoy yourself in that regard. But I think it's more fun to have some people that you can connect with on a different level, and I really enjoy that with you guys. Yeah, yeah, thanks, man. Yeah, it's pretty special.

In fact, it's been a year. Yeah. And so our guys had an annual trip that we all put together on our own, and all the boys went to Vegas. And it was something that- How's Gonzo in Vegas? Gonzo in Vegas, I wasn't there. I was there because I was on a whole other trip.

I would see Keith in Vegas would be... I was on a whole other trip, but the story, you know, what happens in Vegas... Stays there, of course. Yes, of course. So... I would think Keith would need someone to rain him in. Like, I'd almost hire like a rodeo clown to follow him around

just to like keep things from going wrong. Because he's a machine that guy. He's a good man. He is. But, you know, he just likes to have a great time. And that's the beauty of that man and his personality, man. You just love having him around. My wife loves him so much.

And she's always like, what's it like looking at yourself in 20 years? I'm like, well, if Keith were 74, that would be great. I think Keith's 60. That's me in six years. And I love it. So, all right, let's talk about this. So we are in Tahoe right now for a pickleball event. I am not a big pickleball player until today.

you roll out with a fantastic outfit. You got your own pickleball paddle. You come out there. I mean, you had gloves. You had like a neck roll. I'm like, what's that? You're like, oh, I know when I hit that ball, man. I'm torquing that thing when I serve.

I don't want my neck to go sideways. You and then you and Kelly Ben Simone, who I love, get out there. Just start crushing it. I think you're a bronze medalist. Bronze medalist, baby. She took third today. We came home with some iron. You came well?

Let's show this. This is the iron we came home with. It's basically a glorified participation trophy. And I believe it's plastic. But it drinks the same. And, and it's not, espresso on the other side. And then the other side.

And then the other side. And then the other side. But it's not going to weigh down your bag like the iron wood. So I think the plastic's better for us to get through customs and such. But we're here for the pickleball event. This has been so great. And I think, have you ever thought of pickleball as a way to meet people? Like, hey, let's get a little thing going and little, you know, pinch and giggle out there on the pickleball course.

It's funny you should mention that. Meeting people in Palm Desert, we play round robin, Monday, Wednesday, Friday for four hours. Is that where everyone throws in a paddle and it's like, okay, this is your paddle, Billy? Not quite like that. Who's keys at ease? Is that what we're talking about? Not quite like that. Close.

Close, but no, close with no cookies. Yeah, seven minutes in heaven. No, not quite like that. No, no, not quite like that. But it's kind of cool because it is the older folks that are out there playing. Yeah. We had some young folks that come in, and we show them a lesson or two about what the game is all about. I don't play Monday, Wednesday, Friday.

I go usually on a Wednesday, but it's kind of cool to go out and have that camaraderie with everyone. Heck yeah. And a connection that says we can. still go and do this. Right. We can still do something athletic. And we're having fun. I have to say this. So I have fun. Have you seen the new show Stick with Owen Wilson? I have not. Oh my gosh. Is anyone seen it? Easton, Monday? It's so good. So it's on HBO or no, it's on Apple TV. Okay. You need to watch it because it's actually, it's a really good show. And it's like he's, but it's not standard Owen Wilson Fair, right? But in it, they have this

pickleball thing that goes down. And I was watching it trying to prep myself for this weekend. because there's not many things out there that you can find that will allow you to prep for pickleball competitions. You know, Canyon and I decided I'm like, let's get in a couple fights for no reason.

It's like, I'm gonna yell at you. You yell at me. I'm like, you should have had it. She's like, I'm a lefty. I'm like, okay, let's just fake some fights so we're ready for the court because I've seen that. But she's really good.

She's very aggressive. As a lefty, you know, the ball takes a whole other angle. A different flight. Different flight. We were trying to play that. That's why you guys did. That's how we shut you down.

It's the only way to shut you down. Having Gary out there. You really did. Gary was scary on the court. But yeah, no, it was very fun. But I think pickleball could be a really cool way. Like if you meet someone and you know that they're, you know, fit. Yes.

Right? But they don't have to be that fit. I mean, I'm out of shape. I was out there running around like a crazy person. The beauty is that the court's smaller than a tennis court. Yeah. You're playing with four people on the court. It's a wiffle ball.

It's not really like anything that's dangerous. It's not going to come out of you with too much heat. Yeah, no. And so. Although, Trist. did Jack went into Canyon today, which I thought was really good. You can get some heat on the ball. Yeah, that was pretty nice.

Trista knew what she was doing when she wanted the stage this event. Little did we know she had played the game a lot. She was unbelievable. You think she hustled us? I think she may have been like a shark out there. She knew there was an iron, some trophy on the plate. She knew there was a big trophy on the line. Yeah.

And she took it home. Well, I will say this. Spoiler alert. Gary and Kelly came in third. Yes. The Guinea family came in second. Yes. And Trista and Ryan Sutter, nay, Wren, ended up bringing home the bacon.

And I don't know. I'm just going to say it out loud. If I put together a blackjack tournament for the next one and I win the blackjack tournament, shame on me. Shame on you. I'm just saying, I think Trista stacked the deck in her favor. She knew she's the only one that knew the rules. We're in the middle of playing. It's 3-3.

And she's like, guys, just FYI. And I love Trista more than life. So, I mean, this is coming from a place of love. That's the kitchen. okay you don't go in the kitchen you can't step in the kitchen but don't hit the ball into the kitchen you've done it twice and i've let it go so i'm just going to tell you for the next one i might have to score that against you all of a sudden she's in my head man now i don't even know what i'm doing i'm like where the hell's the kitchen now i got to identify a kitchen what is that i don't see a stove

i don't see a refrigerator okay so let's talk about bachelor in paradise because here was my concern about this okay i was terrified that my goldens were going to be used by producers for horrible, horrible mischief. And I was like, this is not right. I don't think I like this idea. Actually, at first I loved the idea until someone brought it up to me. Then it was in my head like a crazy man.

First call I made, Gonzo. Gonzo, don't take the bait. I don't care what anybody says. If they're like, hey, you should go over and talk to a little Debbie over there in the corner while she's crying in the hot tub. Don't do it. Don't take her a cocktail and be like,

how you doing, little Debbie? Let's not do that. Needless to say, I didn't have to worry about that, because my guys handled themselves. But I think it's been pretty interesting on this season of Paradise. It's the very first season. Well, there's a lot of firsts, actually, whole new production, whole new look. It kind of looks, a lot of people have been saying a lot more like Love Island.

Including new runners, new producers, yeah. Whole thing's different. Tones different, attitudes different. Cinematography, the cameras they're using. Yeah, kind of neat. It's fabulous. Wells and Hannah are playing a bigger role in the show, which Hannah, I haven't seen her say too much yet, but Hannah's, I'm sure, going to have a bigger role as this thing goes on.

but I think it's kind of neat because when they came to you and said hey would you be interested in coming to Paris did they mention that it was going to be like the standard paradise with the Goldens or when they approached you what did they disclose to you? So it was disclosed that we'd like you to join us

in Costa Rica going to paradise because I don't even think we knew it was going to be in Costa Ria at that point. And did you know other Goldens were coming or did you think? um i no one had been announced yeah and they didn't allow leslie or i to know even if they had someone in mind yeah but then the guy started talking and we ultimately said hey what do you think i'm thinking about this i'm thinking about what and so we started talking yeah and then

ultimately um well you can see now in the show who's come yeah but it was um it was a surprise i think to all of us that it was going to be like it is. Yeah. Well, let's let's let's, for anyone who might be like me, I've, I've sort of stacked the deck. I've watched the first episode, first two episodes now. I have not watched the second two. So the golden's arrive in episode four. Yes. And Gary arrives on his own with a little bit more like, it was almost like a big time wrestling entrance, like smoke, like all sorts of stuff going on like music. You had a theme song. What was your walk-up song? And you come out of nowhere. The other golds are already there

and all of a sudden you come out. How was that suggested to you and how did that the whole thing play out? Well, okay, so I came a day after everyone else and I was still in seclusion. Yeah. So I was going crazy. It's like, guys, you got to get me out of here.

Yeah. Everyone knows I'm going to be on the show. Right. But you can't keep me secluded like this. So is it okay if I go to the pool? Are you getting FOMO? Are you getting like, but like what are you feeling?

Are you feeling left out? Are you feeling like stuff's going on? I'm starting to feel like things are happening and I'm not there to enjoy it. Yeah. And so... Were you nervous at all? I was starting to get a little anxious, not nervous,

just with like not knowing what to expect. Right. Because my guys were already there. Right. And you knew they were already there. And I knew they were there and they knew I was coming. We just didn't know how it was going to unfold. Yeah.

But then when they said we were making a, this big thing for your entrance, Gary. And so then I started saying, okay, now let's hear it. Let me hear it. And then they started explaining to me what it was going to be. And I go, I can do that. Yeah.

I think that's going to be pretty awesome. That's awesome. And sure enough, you saw the entrance. I have only seen the entrance. I haven't seen the episode. Okay. You've got, you've got something. I can't tell you, but it's worth its weight in gold.

That's awesome. You'll see, Bob. It's so fun because you guys are so tight. And it's like, did you, did you experience, obviously you come in, you got your friends, the Golden's who you've been doing a bunch of stuff with, probably have met. Well, I know you have met, some of the younger cast members on there. Yes. And so you got the familiarity with them.

But who did you create relationships with right away that were kind of like, you know, from the more standard BIP experience? Like who did you kind of gravitate towards? Was there anyone there that you felt like, okay, I like this person. can be friends with this person. Jonathan. Yeah. I had a feeling you would say that.

Yeah. But Jonathan has been on a couple of these experiences with us, but you haven't met him, have you? I met Jonathan at a get real, the get real party that Hulu did, when they announced Mel with the Golden Bachelor. And I think I had met him once before. I can't really remember, but, you know, he's a super guy. Yeah. And so him and I were already.

connected also hakeem yep but by the time i got there heem was gone right so um it was really jonathan and then my other golden guys yeah that was it well jonathan seemed to warm up to a couple goldens didn't he yes he did but i have to throw in dale um Andrew was another good guy um Spencer as well Spencer seemed intense to me up until like he seems like an intense dude he really was a very gentle giant. Really? That's nice. Type of guy.

Yeah. So what were your thoughts on the April Jonathan moment? Because I had heard some rumors that that was a little fiery. It was not just fiery. It was a total shock that took everyone by surprise. Yeah. I don't think anybody knew April was going to do that. And in particular, my good buddy, Jack, it's a beautiful thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was so hurt. Is he floored? Because he thought that there was a connection there. Yeah. But, yeah, that was a real shocker. It came out of nowhere. She handled it well.

She said some amazing things about Jonathan, but it completely threw off the numbers. I was going to say, yeah, it basically eliminated. three goldens. Goldens. Yeah. Which left six women and three men. Yeah. And so it was, yeah, it was, that was a shocker.

That was like... I don't think it, it didn't seem like the producers or anybody was ready for that. No, but Jesse stood there with his mouth open. I know. Did you really just do that? That almost seems staged, but you know, I knew it wasn't. Yeah. It was a shocker, man.

All right. Well, thank you so much for talking us about that because I love it. I think I'm very excited. I know people are loving the show this year. People are loving BIP, and I think, I really liked, oh, my gosh, the BIP VIP VIP hat she had on out there. Leslie, I loved her hat.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was pretty good. And she's a pretty good pickleball player too. And a great dancer. Is that right? Keep watching. Interesting. Keep watching.

Have the two of you had a chance to love the dance for it? Okay, I will watch. I will watch. I take your advice seriously, my friend. All right, so I want to play. It's going to put a smile on your face. Well, there's not much that doesn't.

I don't know if you noticed. It takes a lot to piss me off. My luggage is pissing me off. Still not here, by the way. Thanks, Delta, if you're watching at home. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam.

Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate.

Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the iHeart. Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hello, it's Daniel Fischel. Writer Strong.

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We're going to play a little game. It's called 21 questions. It's I do part two. It's that's what the show is about. You and I have both had relationships prior to any that we may have currently. Yes. Do you want to talk about any of that you have currently? Anything you want to share?

I mean everybody knows I got Canyon right so I got nothing to share maybe let's just let's see where that goes let's see where it goes yeah you're hurting here first breaking news that I do part two all right here we go I'm gonna ask you some questions I want your opinions I may or may not chime in right because I want to keep this on point for I do part two because that is my job is to steer this ship to the exact location we needed today take us home here we go baby

number one okay if you ask a woman on a date first date is it ever acceptable to split the bill no agreed if a woman asks you on a first date is it ever okay to allow her to pay absolutely

I think you're absolutely right on that I think I would still fight to act it would be a fight but I would acquies yes I would acquies yes I let Canyon we were when we were dating she asked me on a date, which I was like, really? Okay. And she paid for the whole thing. And I was like feeling guilt the whole night.

But it was kind of awesome. Because I'm always the person that pays. You know, like she'll only me and say like someone to go, where's your wallet? She'll go, he's over there. And she'll play at me. You know, it's an interesting point, though, because we as men, men. Yes. And our era of where we, we always take care of things.

So it's flattering when someone else does it. Yeah. It's surprising. And it's also a sign of, wow, this could go someplace. Yeah. It's not always dependent on me. This person is making an effort to show me that I'm, you don't always have to do this. Yeah.

So it's so interesting. For some reason, when you were saying that, it triggered something for me. One of the things I always think is interesting is I think I'm doing a favor. When someone says, what do you want to do tonight? And I'll say, oh, whatever you want to do. Yeah. Where would you like to go for dinner? Wherever you want to go.

I don't know why. I think I'm being easy, right? But how flattering it is when someone will say, hey, tonight we're going to go to Mexican, because I know that's your favorite. And then afterwards, we're going to go play pickleball or go throw some darts or whatever. And you're like, okay.

Because it's so neat to not have to think of what to do. And it's really fun to have someone plan for you. Yeah, totally. And I've realized that maybe that's a shortcoming for me. I don't know why this just triggered that to me, but I need to plan more. Let it go. Should I let it go?

Let it go. Serenity now. Yes. Okay. Number two. If a man does not finalize date plans or check in ahead of a scheduled date the morning of, does this mean he's busy or that he's not interested? Ooh, that's a tough one.

So let's set the stage. You got a date set up. Yeah. And tonight you're going to pick her up at five. Okay. But you don't call all day. You don't reach out. You're just like, hey, I'm picking her up Thursday at five.

Does that mean, is she supposed to think you're coming at five? or is she supposed to think this dude is ghosted me? You know, if there is an interest in that relationship, if you're trying to make it happen, you're going to call before. Yeah. You're going to call before. If you don't, then, yeah, you're not it.

Yeah, it's just. And you're like, I'll either be there. I won't. Then, I mean, it's someone that's not important to you. Yeah. Out of respect, here's what's happening. looking forward to seeing the right thing to do yeah totally totally with all due respect i totally agree with you yeah yeah all right how long should you be dating someone to bring up the topic of money

debt or credit scores oh um uh i would think maybe if it's a serious relationship it should happen within the first couple three months okay yeah and to what level does that go because i i have a funny story to share about this and the level you know you got to fill that one out because at my age you don't have a lot of time to say I'm going to let this play out you want to know sooner than later

so it just it just depends oh my gosh that's a great question I know right that's a great question when I was working on these questions laughing over that when I was really brainstorming about these questions and I thought what can I ask you

when I thought of this one I really knew I had a winner. So here's, thank you, Heather, for these wonderful questions. That's a winning question. The best producer in the business, that's a question.

So I will tell you, so when Canyon and I got married, it was one of her family's favorite things I do. They show up and they're like, hey, we're going to be here for the weekend or whatever. And her mom's like, well, I got a few things for you. I'm like, okay, what do you got?

Well, here is Jessica's cell phone bell. Here is Jessica's AAA card. Here is Jessica. And she's giving me like 20, I'm like, what? the world. Now, none of them were hefty tabs by any means, but it was comical. She's like, she's your problem now. And it was very funny. Like, it was tongue and cheek. Because, you know, one thing about Canyon and I love is, you know, since we've had children, she's a stay-at-home mom.

But she's always been such an earner, right? And she's, she's out there busting her butt. And I love that she had her own career and her own design on things. And, and I really love that about her. And I also love that she's been willing to kind of take a back seat to help raise our family um but i know how excited she has to get back out there right and it's exciting for her so i got to tell you yeah that's a blessing oh big time you understand that's a big time yeah that's a rarity yeah that's a gym not even a diamond in the rough that is it's the next level stuff and it but what's funny is i didn't even yeah i didn't ask that yeah i was like well you we can get like we tried to get a nanny And we tried to do everything.

And it was one of those things where it was like this was something that was important to her. And I really value that and respect that. But yeah, I think you're right. I think if the things are starting to feel serious, you got to kind of figure that out early. And then to follow up on that, and when I was really grinding on these questions,

this was one that really stuck out with me. If someone does have a lot of debt, is that a red flag, right? That's a red flag. Big time. That's a red flag. Because what are you going to do? But you know what's interesting?

Um, if you, well, circumstances might dictate that, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Someone who put themselves through school, someone who did a whole bunch of stuff. Yeah. That kind of debt, you're like, well, good for you. Yeah. Credit card debt or, or, or, or things that they just aren't paying on. Then you're like, what's up with this person. Yeah. Some's not right. No, I agree. So it just depends. And again, you and I both being, having been through a marriage previously and now, you know, you're at a different stage in your life at this point. You're like, I don't know what I want to take on. Do I want to take on someone else's. Yeah. from the standpoint of years and years of credit card abuse and things like that. I mean, I don't know if that's the right term, but. Yeah, no, it is. I mean, and that's a real thing. It's a real thing. Yeah. And so, you know, is it a red flag or is it a yellow flag?

Caution. Right. How much do I really like the character of this person? How much are we really genuinely equally yoked? How much are we really genuinely in love with each other? And the whole thing that comes with, she's showing me what I need. Yeah. Well, and that's a vulnerability too, right?

If someone's willing to share with you, hey, man, I had some issues for a couple years financially, but I'm handling it. I think, I think then you're like, that wouldn't be a red flag to me. That would be some, I think that would be almost like a strong, a show of character. Yes. Like, everyone goes through tough times and how you rebound and how you, how you handle those situations, I think shows who you are. It's part of your testimony. It's part of your history. It's part of what got you to be where you're at.

Yeah, totally. But if you can be honest and up front, and forthright, that says something also. Yeah, I don't want to hide this from you. I'm just going to, I got to let you know about this. Yeah. This is something I think is interesting. All right.

If you're dating someone for, let's say six months. Okay. And their children, don't get along with you. And the children are older, right? You're not my dad, that kind of stuff, right? I mean, you see it in movies all the time. Run. Yeah, right?

Okay. So the rest of this question is, run. How is there a sign of the relationship It won't work out long term? I think absolutely. That's not going to work. Yeah. Because no one is going to choose.

No one's going to choose. I mean, family is always a big part of every relationship. Yeah. Yeah. No one's going to, well, no one who you want to be with is going to let their son go and be like, no, I want to be with you. Right. Because I'd be like, what the hell does that say about you?

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I had a situation at one point where a woman that I knew was, upset about a guy that she was dating because he always put his kids from his previous marriage first. And I remember saying, I was like, do me a favor. Don't ever say that to anyone ever again. Yeah. She's like, man, like, that's what a man is supposed to do. Yeah. So you found a guy in Hollywood of all places. Yeah. Who's going to put his family first, celebrate that man. Right. Because most dudes would be like, oh, you know, this girl wants to hang out with me. Yeah, yeah. I'll cancel plans with my kids.

Hell no, man. I would never do it. I'd just be like, no, I have already got plans. If that doesn't work for you, then we just don't work. Yeah, exactly. I couldn't agree with you more. Family, especially your children, that's our future. It's just a matter of time before they grow up and grow out and go away.

So, you know, invest in that, in those boys and girls. Yeah. Because ultimately, that's what's going to come back and take care of. view later in life. Yeah, I mean, it's so true. Right. Do you think people can have different religious beliefs and have a successful relationship? I do. I do. It's an, you know, are they equally yoked yet? Do they both believe in a God? Yes. It's not the same. Right. But I think it's possible. Sure. I think it's possible. Well, I mean, I dated someone. I don't know what I am, to be honest. I I think I was raised Methodist or Baptist, but I think I'm Protestant, right?

Yes, yes. And I dated someone who was Jewish for a very long time. Yeah. And I loved being a part of her cultures and her experiences and her religious traditions that I had no clue of. Old Testament, New Testament. Yeah, okay, yeah, there you go, right? Right.

Yeah, and the New Testament is much more open. Yes, right? Yes. But, yeah, I enjoyed, I actually enjoyed having the different cultural experiences and the different religious experiences. And I learned a lot from that, you know, and it was a fun relationship. Yeah.

And, yeah, so that was kind of neat. So I am someone who believes that can work. I think it does work. Yeah. You just have to pour into each other. Yeah. That's all. So we're at number 10.

Are you ready? Okay. What's a small thing people tend to overlook, but in reality is a huge sign a relationship isn't good. It's a huge, but a huge sign of a situation. So a small thing people tend to overlook, but in reality is a huge sign.

a huge sign a relationship isn't good. This is like, that's, you don't understand how many years of schooling I went to to become up with these questions. I think it's important. And here's a small thing that could be a big thing. Public displays of affection. Okay.

Someone that doesn't like public displays of affection, but your love language is touch. Yeah. and you like holding hands and the person doesn't realize the impact that that has on your emotional state that could lead to you not liking that person anymore because it's almost as if they don't want anyone to know that you're together yeah if you're dating yeah that's not a good sign no that's true i get so yeah i think public displays of affection are important that you can't be afraid of

to kiss someone in front of other people if you really care about the person holding hands is another big one hugging is another big one so I think that's huge sure that's a small thing like an affectionate guy I would guess you're an affectionate guy

I am I am so I'm an affectionate guy too and I'm married to someone who's not as affectionate as me right and it's kind of funny because her idea of like cuddling at night well she'll go she'll put her leg on me go there we're cuddling it's funny right but but i actually kind of love our differences in that regard because when i actually can crack the code and get her to actually be affectionate with me i'm like yeah it's a good fun thing yeah but so then you get it yeah i do i totally you know it's a small thing but it's a big thing yeah it becomes a thing so you got to know

when like like from her from her perspective i i will always say this i'll be like hey man once in a while you need to actually show me some sugar. Yeah, show me some love. As I like. Show me some love. All right. What's one thing you think men at 50 plus, which we both are, yeah, need to lighten up on when it comes to dating?

So what's, when you're talking to your buddies, you're talking to the mansion men, you're talking to the crew that you know, your buddies from home. And they're like, this is a deal breaker for me, right? And you're like, man, that just seems, why is that a deal breaker? What do you hear from your friends and from your boys that you think is a little ridiculous um just realizing that you're not going to win every battle yeah and some things you just have to let go up i don't care how big or how small it is just let them have some victories yeah doesn't matter what it is because we get so stubborn at a certain nature like we i've been on my own

for blah blah blah blah no one's going to tell me where to park and and it's not speaking from experience either. My favorite thing I said to can and I'll go, you know what's so weird? Before I met me, I was single for 12 years. Do you know I knew how to park

every car? And no one was scared when someone hit the brakes 600 yards ahead of me. I love this woman, but oh my God! Am I right? I know the feeling.

I totally. get it. So, yeah, no, I'm right there with you. But, you know, too. So you think at 50 plus, a lot of guys are like just trying to win every battle. Yeah, they're trying to win every battle. And it's like, man, you got to let that go. Just, that's not important. Yeah. It really isn't. Not in the big scheme of things. How about conversely for women 50 plus? Like, you're out there in the dating world. You hear it. What are women in your opinion? And I get it. This is going to be a generalization. But yeah. In your experiences, what have you seen that women are really, this is it. This is deal breaker for me and you're just like why um i think the some women these days who are very

independent yeah they they want to take the lead but they don't know how to acquiesce right and give you a man here and there sure yeah even in dancing it's like you know there there's a leader and a follower yeah yeah right well and you're a really good dancer so you know that better than most take the lead if I'm leading. It's going to be like two left feet out there dancing. And now all of a sudden we're both like going to spin us. We're each spinning each other at the same thing. And nothing against strong independent women who are successful in their careers and doing all the things.

But you've got to acquiesce. And let the man do what he does opening the door. Just little things. So don't get offended by chivalrous or gentlemanly behavior. Amen. Yes. Yes. Yeah, I think that's, I think that's a really good point, too.

Yeah. So when you're dating and you go on a first date, what are three things that you think you should know about that person after that first date? Top three things. The top three things I want to know, first of all, is, are you a godly woman? Do you believe in your religion? Are you a spiritual person? Or you a spiritual person.

Yeah. That's, I think, something very important. And you can't be afraid to ask that question. right because well it has become kind of a taboo topic it seems right people are afraid to ask that question right exactly so that's one i think the second thing is um things that they enjoy doing extracurricular activities i want to know something for the next time yeah i plan a date hey let's go for a hike i know you like to you said you liked hiking and yeah that kind of thing right and then the third thing i think would be is um god there's so

many things going through my mind now. Do you like to travel? Do you like to? So I can really look forward to planning another outing or another date. Or to see if you have enough in common that another date makes sense. Yeah, exactly. So if you're a big travel guy and they're like, nope, I like to be on my couch. Yeah. And I'm not going anywhere. Okay, this is not the right person for me. Yeah. That's a red flag. That's a great red flag. It won't be another date. So intimacy. Yeah. Everybody always, this is kind of the hot button topic, right? It seems anyway, especially with like Tinder and. and all the different dating apps out there. You know, if you're intimate with someone on the first night,

do you think, generally speaking, do men still want to date that woman if they hooked up in the biblical sense on the first night? No. Really? Wow, I love that you're being honest right now. Not for me. Yeah.

Okay. But do you go through with the intimacy on the biblical sense? Um, on the first night? No. No. No. Okay. Okay. No, because if you said yes, I was going to be like, Hippocrat. Okay. So let's say this. So if someone's basically like, yeah, I'm keeping real right now. Yeah. Because it sounds like, Gary, let's go upstairs. And you're like, that's not right for me tonight. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, yeah, that's not going to happen. And you're also like, and she's not right for me. I'm not going to. That's right. You know, I, I want someone who respects me as a person. Yeah. I'm not just some physical being that's just,

trying to get a slat of meat. You're not walking around like a USDA choice. But I'm also looking at you with all due respect, same way. Yeah. I want to be able to look forward to this gift that's being given to me, but over a period of time, and we're both going to have to earn the respect of each other, as well as the opportunity to love each other. Wow, what a job.

In that way. I like that answer. Yeah. My body's a temple. Yeah. But so is yours. That doesn't mean that I'm any less than just because I'm a guy. I'm a man.

I was going to, I want to take it slow. Those days are way back there. They're way back there. I get to, I hear you, buddy. I love that. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit.

Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the okay. story time podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now hold up, isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So,

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I'm sure you have. They don't work. They don't work. They don't work. I've tried and it's just not possible. Yeah. Not for me. Yeah.

I want someone who's going to be around close by who is pouring into me as I'm able to pour into them. Right. and with technology in the FaceTime and all that, it's just... It's a crutch. It really is. I can say this as someone who lived it.

Yeah, it really is. Opposite coasts is a very difficult thing to do. And expensive. Yeah, very expensive. But there's different ways to be long distance. But if there's a time change involved, for me, it's not going to work. Because it becomes a struggle to stay involved in each other's life.

Totally. And to be a resource for that person, which is why you're in a relationship, right? Exactly. If the point of me being in a relationship is for me to share my life with someone, me getting the cliff notes at the end of the night

right before you're going to bed, that's not sharing. Yeah, no. That's me just getting, you know, somebody just kind of filling me in on their day. I could do that with you, no offense, I could do that with you. And I don't need to be sleeping with you.

Yeah, it's not going to work. No. It's just, it's something about being present. Yeah. Or in the neighborhood or nearby, close enough to where we can drive to each other. Yeah.

right we can get over there we can spend time together touch each other exactly hang out doesn't need to be sexual every time it's yeah whatever it is that's right now I love that um okay if you're in a relationship with someone do you consider any of the following cheating okay going to strip club yes watching porn yes having a subscription to only fans no come on wait a minute okay I'm supposed to make this fast you just derailed the whole train how is that one not but watching porn is oh okay I'm just kidding I just had a Oh, for God's sake, that was great. This is rapid fire.

Okay, so yes, yes, okay. All right, when you're in a serious relationship or marriage, is it okay to be friends with an ex if you had no children together? Yes. Why? Your friends. Right.

But it depends. If your partner thinks that's not good, you got to be ready to say, yeah. Agreed. What do you think a couples who divorce and then remarry each other? By the way, that last question,

it took me some time to grow into that. Right. Because once a relationship was over, it was over. You were done. See you, goodbye, the train is leaving the station. But I've seen how people have grown back together. Yeah.

Just. In a different capacity. Yeah. And I've always said, how is that possible? Yeah. But my ex and I, my ex-wife and my grandson now have brought us all closer together as a family. Yeah, of course. so yeah so i'm i'm still friendly with my axe and it's cool with canyon so that makes it cool

yeah yeah if she wasn't cool with it i wouldn't you know out of respect for our marriage and our relationship sorry for the rap is fine no i love that i love it do you believe in love at first sight yes boxers or briefs boxers balloni or cheese jeez i have no idea i'm talking about all right what's something you learn about yourself going through divorce that um nobody comes out unscathed. Yeah. Everybody gets cut. I was talking to Deanna Pappas. Everybody gets cut. And Deanna Pappas just went through something very public, right? And I said to you, I'm like, Deanna, I've been saying this for years, but no one seems to listen to me. Yeah. Divorce sucks even if you want it. Yeah. Yeah. And the reason why it sucks is because it is

having to recognize the end of something that you wanted to work. Absolutely. If you didn't want it to work, you wouldn't have done it in the first place. And it's, and it sucks because it's easier to get divorced than it is to get married. Yeah. Everybody gets hurt. Yeah. Everybody has come. Yeah. There's No one left, no stone left unturned and nobody. You're going to see some scars after that for, for a long time. Yeah, I agree. Well, buddy, as always, you are so open and vulnerable and honest. I love it.

Thank you. Thanks for being on the show again. Thanks for being a part of this whole thing. Thanks for letting me beat you and pickleball today. It wasn't you. It was Can you with those lefty shots, man. That lefty, man, that spin, that English, that natural English she puts on the ball. But I appreciate you, man.

And I love that the Goldens came into this whole world. And it brought a lot for me personally, like to get to see some people that I loved how they were handling themselves and then to get to know you guys all over the years has been so great. But thank you for always being an open book. Thanks for being a part of this. Congratulations on your run on Paradise. I know we're all going to be watching and seeing how it unfolds

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and I mean this from the bottom of my heart, how much you matter, you matter, man. Well, thank you, buddy. I appreciate that. Okay, so hold on to that and never forget. You matter to so many people. Wow. Thank you.

No, thank you, man. That's very kind thing for you to say. You're getting me emotional, but I got five minutes before I would cry, so nothing's going to happen. Right, Heather? No, thank you, buddy. That means a lot to me.

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