The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - The Infamous Phone Call with Susie Evans
Episode Date: September 26, 2025Bachelor Nation alum Susie Evans is catching up with Ashley about sliding into celebrity DM's, where she stands with her ex Justin Glaze, and what she REALLY thought about her phone call with Jeremy b...eing a focal point of Bachelor in Paradise. You'll never believe what celeb wanted to meet up with Ashley after she tweeted them! Plus, Bachelorette fans have been vocal about wanting Susie as a lead! Ashley finds out once and for all if producers were considering her for this season...and if Susie wants the role! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Hey, all welcome back to the almost.
same as podcast today we're joined by susy evans we love susy and she's also a jonas fan and i'm so glad
you're here because i know you're genuinely jonas fan because i remember before you guys were ever
public you and justin i was like you should date jojonas because like he had just broken up with
sophy wait that's so real and you were like secretly dating jeston yeah i remember that i was like i think
you have a chance and did i tell you that i was dating jesson at the time or did i play it cool you guys
played it cool you didn't announce for like another like
month and a half after that interview. Yeah. Oh, that's so funny. Yeah, I remember that. I remember,
like, I hadn't really met you. Actually, was that the first time in person that we met?
Wait, when? That was at the mansion after the first golden season. Okay, that was the first,
and then I think the last time I've seen you in person, right? Really? Probably. I think so.
Yeah, that's so, that is so crazy. But I remember, like, going over DMs with you and just being
like so, I was like, you are so nice to share this information.
Jonah's secrets.
Like literally secrets.
I was like, I love that you trust me with this information.
And I was like, I'm obsessed.
I feel like we're truly bonded in our souls.
I felt bonded too.
And last night, hearing some of, you know, the lore, I was like, weirdly.
I was like, I have like, not as cool as stories, but I'm like, I also have very just, like, weird lore stories of like, why does, like, this is why we were obsessed slash are obsessed, you know?
Like, it's just like, it's just a lifestyle.
It's a lifestyle.
It's a choice.
It's an active choice to be.
in our 30s and, like, still going to Jonas Brothers concerts, you know?
1,000%.
Like, being in your 30s and being a Jonas fan, which most are, is the most fun because, you know, we have our own money and we have our own free will to travel.
And we can drink now.
Yes.
I was telling them last night, you guys, I was, you know, we had a girls dinner last night and it was so fun.
And I'm like, yeah, I'm not drinking right now.
I don't, I don't like, I didn't feel like I get dehydrated after a flight.
And I was like, but tomorrow, wait till you see me in Jonas mode.
it's the only place that I'll really drink.
I love that.
And I was like, wait, I didn't know that was the vibe.
Like, I didn't know.
Like, I didn't know.
Like, I'll dance and like, like, like, make 40 eyes.
Okay, love that.
Yeah, we're going to, like, go to Lulu tonight.
Yeah.
A little alcohol and we'll be like, oh, my God, I think, I think that they're looking at us up here.
Exactly.
They probably can't even see out 20 feet, but in our brains tonight, making eye contact.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I'm, like, I was wondering, like, if you ever did slime to the Joe's DMs.
Oh, for sure.
Oh, okay.
There are very, like, few celebrities that I have not slid into DMs prior to Bachelor.
You are exactly what I would be, but I would be doing that single right now.
I know, yeah.
No, honestly.
Are you single?
I mean, everyone check your DMs and we'll find out if the DMs have been slid into.
No, but when prior to Bachelor, I would think it was so funny because I had like, not even a large following, but like.
But you were Miss Virginia.
I was Miss Virginia.
So you were kind of, like, had some pull there.
and you're like, hey, what's up?
Like, I'm certifiably very pretty
because I've been crying with surgery.
My friends and I would, like, drink at mellow mushroom
and eat pizza.
And I wouldn't know, like, who a lot of people are,
but my friends would be like, oh, my gosh,
you should DM this person or that person.
And I'd be like, fair again, I do it.
Like, I don't care.
And so we would just send out, like, an post-batchel,
I've, like, had to, like, go unsend things from people
because I'm like, oh, my gosh.
God, like, that was from 2017 or 2018 or whatever year it was.
And I'm like, that's so embarrassing.
Okay, well, right now, pull up your messages to Jo Jonas.
Oh, no.
Oh, my God.
Yes.
I think, oh, my gosh.
Wait, you know what's, let me see what's the last thing.
It's probably just sweet responses to stories.
Imagine it was this morning.
I'm dead.
First of all, are you a Nick Joe girl?
I'm a joke girl.
Yeah, always been.
Yeah, same.
18 years going strong.
Oh, you know what?
I've deleted.
Oh, no.
I replied to their story in 2020.
his story in 2024 and said, obsessed.
Did he read it? No.
Okay. But I did send a video to Nick Jonas once.
Not that I have, let me be clear. I like rarely drink.
But like when I do, I like don't care. And I'm like, let's send a video.
And I sent a video of my friend singing a Jonas Brothers song one time to him.
And I'm pretty sure it showed me that he viewed it. And I was like, that's actually so
embarrassing. Like it was actually worse that he saw that because it was something that I would
maybe would have unsent in the morning and been like, that was crazy.
My most notable DM cringe was, oh my God.
It was on Twitter back in the time it was.
It was when we first started this show and I was single and they were having like me do reckless things like trying to.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
They thought it was really funny.
I heart in my like, our producer, Amy.
Yeah.
That's like my friends.
They think it's so funny.
And I'm like, honestly, like, shoot or shoot.
Why not?
They would have me, they were trying to, like, hook me up with Jimmy Garoppelow, which I was down with.
But then they would, like, have me, you know, send DMs on the microphone.
But the most, the one that was the most, like, oh, my God, I can't believe that this happened was Ryan Philippi, which I'm pulling that up right now.
Because I think I just tweeted like, oh, my God, Ryan Filby is the hottest in the entire world.
Just like I tweeted that.
Yeah.
Like into the universe.
Yeah.
And then he responded as December 30.
of 2016 we should meet oh my gosh and then with a smiley face and I go I think that would be a good
idea you should text me what wait did he text you no oh shoot so that's a lot of this is like it's
it never goes anywhere you know what I mean and I really haven't taken advantage post bachelor it's
actually a shame or post Joe divorce or post Joe divorce honestly it is like really a shame like I
lost all my guts post-batchelor.
Like before it was like, I got nothing to lose.
And now I'm like, oh, God.
Like, what if they were to read it?
Like, it should have been opposite.
But look at Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey because he basically did that.
He, like, put in the universe like, hey, why didn't we meet?
And I would be the Travis Kelsey.
Like, I would be.
You would.
I still think, I can see this, like, fairy tale happening for you.
You never know.
Okay.
Well, how would Justin feel about this?
Did you imagine?
Every ex ever would be like.
Can you imagine that, yeah, that, I mean, imagine being, wait, what would that be the version of?
Like, I do think about Travis Kelsey's ex.
I'm like, imagine going on to.
She likes to chirp too.
Yeah, she does.
She's, uh, she, yeah, she talks about their whole situation.
Yeah, that's right.
But I'm like, that would be so hard to like see your partner or ex partner go be with the most famous person ever.
Like that is like the most painful thing ever.
That is the most painful thing.
I think I would like change my career.
I would, like, disappear.
I would go off grid, I think.
And then you'd secretly date Joe so that Justin didn't have to see.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, totally.
No, I meant if it were reversed, if it were like my ex.
You would have to go in hiding where there is, like, a place where there is no media.
If my ex was dating Taylor Swift, like, I would, yeah, I would be done.
Yeah.
I would like, yeah.
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
So let's talk about Paradise a bit.
Oh.
I know.
So Paradise, you were there for 24 hours.
And there was just so much that happened in 24 hours.
And to us, even though you were only on like two episodes, it felt like you had a huge storyline, particularly because Jeremy called you saying that he wished that like he'd given you the rose, that like he would have proposed to after one day, all that stuff.
When you're watching back, what was your reaction?
So I think watching it back, I was like, this is so.
funny. I was like, oh my God, talk about me. Like, I was like, I was like, feed my ego. Wow. And then I was like, oh, this is not funny anymore. Like, at first I thought it was very just like, oh my God, I can't believe they aired that. You know, I was like, that was such a random call. I was like in the car on my way to the airport when I picked up. And I had, I was like a four hour car ride to the airport. I knew. I heard. Brutal. So I was like just so caught off guard. I did not think that it would be anything. So when it aired, I really was just like.
this is great TV. I'm like, yeah. Amazing. Like, this is so funny. What's going to happen? But then
it really became like a huge storyline. And like, yeah, it was like, like, part of me was like,
this is so funny that like I was there for one day. And it's like still going and going and going.
But then I eventually did. I was like, oh, yeah, actually like this feels really dark. You know,
like when things just like almost get taken too far on the show and you're just like, oh, like that it,
maybe it wasn't, it really wasn't that big of a deal.
I do think you should have told her 1,000%.
I think that was like,
Bailey and how like he basically admitted that at one point
he had stronger feelings for you,
went ahead, gave Bailey the Rose.
Do you ever figure out why that was?
I mean, I personally,
I don't think he had stronger feelings for me.
I think that he...
It's like you don't know what you got
until it's gone, to quote Nick Jonas?
Literally.
No, that was the perfect use of that, actually.
I think it was just like, I think he thought with Bailey they were really, like, solid.
And maybe I came in and it was like, oh, I was excited to meet this person.
And maybe he had hoped there would be more time to get to know me.
But I remember, like, on our date, he even was like, yeah, like, I've been so excited to meet you.
But, like, I've got something great going on with Bailey.
And I was like, okay, so, like, I'm going home.
Like, that's totally cool.
Like, I respected.
Like, I didn't feel like he was going to pick me.
Like, I was very sad.
don't get me wrong.
And, like, I very quickly, no matter what the situation is, I feel like I just, like,
accept my fate.
I'm like, I can't change this.
And I'm, I don't want, if you want to pick Bailey, I would never, like, tell you
something that isn't how I feel to get you to pick me.
Like, I wouldn't do that to stick around.
Yeah.
And so I just kind of was like, okay, like, this is just how this worked out for me.
And if the producers want, they can bring somebody in to save me right now.
But, like, you know, like, if they really wanted me there, yeah, there's, there's,
yeah there's there's things that can be done um and so i was like i'm i'm cool with this like
i'm just going home but so i don't think it was that he like actually felt stronger i think it was
that he got freaked out when she went on the date with andrew and was like oh so it's kind of yeah
i think it was like a jealousy move yeah and like a way i picked you and like i thought we were
going to move forward together and now you're like exploring something and now i'm at risk and then
it's like and maybe he was just like trying to stay or i don't know
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What was his relationship like with Justin?
I don't think they had a relationship prior.
I think they had met a few times.
And then I think he's friends with like the East Coast guys and Justin.
on the West Coast.
So I don't think they really had a friendship or anything.
So it wasn't like he was trying to protect his feelings by not choosing you at that
Roe Ceremony.
Oh, I don't think so.
No.
No.
And how did you expect?
Like you obviously knew that Justin was going to Paradise.
You guys both knew that you guys were going.
I was in a sort of similar situation with Jared going into our second season of Paradise
where I was like, um, I'm going to pretend.
like, I'm just going to move on, but there's not, but I don't know how honest that is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So how was it in your head?
I think maybe super naive, but like I very much was like just trusting that it was going to be fine.
Like I had said to production before going like, I don't want it to be in front of my face.
And like they were like, I think there's a way we can make it.
So it's not like your.
No, I don't think that's ever.
like a thing no totally in my like i know like i look back and i'm like all of it was so delusional
i was just so optimistic of like it's going to be fine do you know what my instagram bio is i'm
either delusional or optimistic it's depending on your point of view oh i'd love that that's that's actually
so accurate for me as well yeah because yeah i think i just went in and was like it's fine and honestly
even as i left i mean i have so much like footage of me leaving and like hanging out with the driver
that took us to the airport like we went and got dinner together like i was like honestly like whatever
You know, like, that sucked, but like, it is what it is, you know.
And I think going in, delusional, optimistic, whatever, I think I was, like, really thinking
that they were going to be able to, like, keep us separate.
Like, I had thought, oh, maybe there's some kind of, like, two houses.
And he's going to be dating in that house.
I'm going to be in this one.
And then they'll swap at some point.
But, like, you know, I kind of had this idea of, like, I'm just going to, like, trust
so they know what they're doing.
Or one of us is, we also kind of thought one of us would come in way later, which it was
me that came in later that nobody liked that decision because people wanted to see more of you
and Justin's a great character too so we kind of wanted to see more of him and we felt like both
of you left too early and then you came too late even Ben and I like or I think it was Jared was
co-hosting with me that day we were like you know I know we preach that we don't want like
producer hands in it but when it comes to characters like this we need producer hands and
they're trying to figure out how to keep them well I think that you could have like just
not sent me in on the same day as three other girls. Yeah. As the last person and sent two of them
out on dates with people during the day. So it's like I came in and two guys are gone and two girls
have already done like a challenge with everybody. Like I think they totally could have sent me in
as the first person and let me have a day date like and have more time or they could have sent me in
as the original cast or they could have sent me in after like just like in the and the and where like
Leah and Alicia like where they came in. I'm like it feels like there were.
there were people there for them
where it was like, oh, there's not enough
for enough people to go home anymore.
I was kind of like, oh, like there's only two of us.
Like Jeremy, not Jeremy, Jonathan and Leah,
they kind of were like, well, there's no one else
so we're going to pair up and be friends.
So I'm like, I definitely could have been around,
but they put me in on the same day.
You're like four girls.
You could have been around.
You could have been Jonathan's friend.
I could have been Jonathan's bestie.
We're great friends.
So I'm like, we could have been besties and hung out.
But it just wasn't in the cards for me.
So there was no thought that maybe
you and Justin would get back together in Paradise?
No, I think we both knew that, like, we couldn't get back together.
Like, we just knew that if we were to ever revisit that, like, we have, it's like a real
world relationship where there's things, like, we wouldn't bring on to the television show.
And, like, but we also couldn't move forward in a relationship without having certain
conversations.
And so I'm like, I wouldn't, I don't think either of us would have been open to, like,
really restarting something there.
Okay.
Well, it was the love was evident, whether.
It's potonic love now or past love, you know, like a love of the past.
But it was very evident during your conversation, like the love and respect that you guys have for each other.
It was like really beautiful.
I actually think that like your moment together just like talking before you left was probably like my favorite part of paradise.
It just felt so authentic.
I think that's why I was, if I'm being honest, so confused when he offered me the rose because there was a more to that conversation.
as well, but I do think what they showed was very beautiful, and it did, like, kind of wrap it up
in a nice, neat, like, little bobe. But I really thought that was, like, closure. Like, I,
the things he said to me where he was, like, you know, I've, like, grown so much because of you,
and, like, I'm so grateful for everything that has come from this. And, like, he's like, I remember
him saying. He's like, I feel so guilty that, like, I get to stay and, like, you might be going
home and and I was like it's literally fine like this come the conversation we had made it worth
it I was like we can walk away and I was like maybe this is why I came here like maybe it's to get
this closure and like have this like beautiful conversation where you just said the most kind
things to me and you can move forward and I can go back home and move forward in a different
way but like I just thought that was like like him being like just just having like a closure
conversation so I was so confused when everything went down at the row ceremony
One of my favorite things when I think about paradise is kind of seeing relationships that have evolved off camera happen further on camera.
That was like yours, Kendall and Joe's, and then there have been mine.
And I just feel like that's just more evidence that The Bachelor needs some sort of spin-off show called, like, Bachelor in Real Life, Bachelor, IRL.
Yeah.
Oh, that's cute.
Yeah.
So when he did decide to give you the Rose.
And he said, I'm going to leave, but I'm going to give her the rose.
Like, what was your, like, your reaction was obviously shock.
How did you think that that moment would, like, what would you think was going to come of that?
Yeah.
Well, I guess to me, like, again, this is, like, me literally be optimistic, delusional, whatever.
I don't know.
I was not close with Lexi, but, like, I, we had had a lot of conversations where I was, like, I promise you, like, don't feel weird.
Like, do not feel.
weird. Like, I don't feel any way towards you. Justin's amazing. We both have worked on ourselves
and, like, you should pursue this and, like, don't feel weird about it. Because it's not
going to stop me from being your friend. And you're very special. You're very special.
Because I think that, like, anybody out there just thinking about an ex that you have, you obviously
have some sort of relationship with enough that have a conversation like we saw. And then
you tell the new girl that, like, you want this to happen for her is like,
the sweetest kindness thing ever and like not many people could be there for that thanks i think
that i would like want the same i guess you know like if it were because we're both there single so i'm
like it i could either really be make her uncomfortable or try to make the most comfortable
comfortable comfortable environment for all of us and be like we're here like we chose to make
this awkward decision so you don't feel weird like we are the weirdos that chose to come here so
like don't worry about it. And so when the rose ceremony happened and he called my name,
I was like, maybe him and Lexi like conspired this together. And they're trying to save me and
like maybe, yeah, like I didn't know. And so I was like, oh my gosh, like no, I can't accept this.
I really thought I was going to go back in line and he was going to call Lexi. And then they were
going to be like, we tried to like, we wanted to at least offer to save. So when I think they aired it,
I looked over her and I was like, wait, did you talk to him? And she's like, no.
And I was like, oh my gosh.
And then like I post everything, I found out that I guess going into the rose ceremonies when Justin found out that Jeremy was picking Bailey.
And he was like faced with this like, oh my gosh.
Like do I pick the person that I've been building a connection with?
But like it feels like that's pretty shaky.
Right.
That's why I like, I know that a lot.
He got flack and then he also got praised for the same move.
Right.
I was more in praise with it because to me it was just like the kindest gesture to somebody that he truly loved.
versus somebody that, like, he just, like, honestly, it was obvious they didn't have a future.
Yeah.
I think that was, it was hard for me because I was like, how could you do this?
Like, I'm like, how can you do this to Lexi?
Like, I decide.
And I think that would have been, it would have felt like a slap in the face even more so for me to then accept the rose and be like, yeah, I just encouraged you like all day to like go for doing.
I totally understand.
I see both sides.
I know.
I know.
I totally get where he was coming from.
because I know like I think he also knew like before going like I had never gone back to
paradise like he had gone to paradise before and I think he kind of got screwed that season too
like I feel like Justin kind of has gotten screwed on his seasons like one of like I think like
one-on-one was cut from Katie's season like he went to paradise and just like had kind of crap
luck and then like I really wanted to go to paradise like I was like I want to go to go
And I've never done it before
And like I
I just thought it would be the most fun summer
Even if I didn't end up like falling in love
I was like I just like have never done this
And I've not gone back on TV
I want to go
I think it's so fun
It's been like four years
Almost four years
Yeah four years
Like I was genuinely so excited
And just like
And honestly just down to have fun
But like I'm not gonna like
hurt somebody along the way
It was kind of my mentality
And so I think that he knew
We had talked about it
And I was like
I know this is gonna suck
but like I want to do this like I'm I was 31 I think at the time I'm 32 now but I was like I'm 31 like I'm not going on paradise next year you know like I'm just not doing it like this is my last chance not chance but like this is my last opportunity to do something like this is how it felt and so I think he was like realizing I got screwed over and he's like I don't want you to have to like go home and like lose out on the opportunity to be here yeah
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I had this overwhelming sensation that I had to call it right then.
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So when was the last time you guys talked?
We're in communication.
We share so many of the same friends.
We share the same management.
We share like so much of.
our life. So we definitely, we talk, we see each other. Like, it's not awkward. It's not weird. And
there's so much love there. And we care a lot about each other. Oh, and we love that. We love that.
Let's talk about another ex. Clayton. Perfect. And Clayton and Rachel Reckia, they were united
on a perfect match on Netflix. And we did some breakdowns of those episodes. What did you think about the
two of, I'm sure you're familiar with the storyline, how that went. Because,
At first, he was like, yeah, Rachel, let's revisit this.
Then, like, 12 hours later, he's like, actually, that's not.
Whiplash, that was, it was really, like, a tough watch.
Because, like, I think that I have, like, a good understanding of who Clayton is.
So I'm, like, I see what's going on here.
Like, I think that he, and don't get me wrong, like, we all do have intuition and we should listen to it.
But I do think that maybe sometimes, and I don't know, I shouldn't, like, speak for him.
But I'm like, maybe sometimes, like, he's trying.
to listen to his intuition, but maybe it's not necessarily his intuition. Maybe it's like
just a thought, you know what I mean? And so I think he was like trying to do what he thought
was like the right thing, which is like to listen to your gut, but maybe the gut was confused
with something else. I don't know. And so it was like, it was like whiplash. And I think for him,
it was hard for him to understand why Rachel was so hurt. But it's like she's been put through
so much. And she, in the fact that she took a chance on you, it felt like, I was like, oh my gosh,
like you have to like be so gentle like this you like she has been so hurt before so it was
really like that was a hard watch for me because I was like I adore both of these people and I'm
just like why did this have to happen like that like why can't we just have a better understanding
or like a little more I don't know like not go as fast to like jump to this being like a sign
I was like it's not a sign it's producers and I'm like Clayton if you wanted to
revisit things with Rachel, you've had lots of time off camera to do it. That's true, too. That is so true.
Yeah. My last question for you is Bachelor Nation obviously has a new bachelorette in Taylor Frankie
Paul. It definitely makes sense for the network to do this crossover experience. Yeah. I do think that
you were on a short list of possible bachelorette's. Did you ever hear from them? Not post-paradise.
Not post paradise, but like for another season in the past.
Yeah.
I think there's been twice when they've, yeah, well, I think twice they've like reached out and been like, hey, we want to consider you for this.
But I do think that I have put the nail into my own coffin by denying the second rose.
Obviously the first time on Clayton season, but then this is like the second time.
I think that I have officially like, they probably are like, you are so annoying.
Like this was your chance to say and you're not willing to be.
a little messy. And I'm like, no, I'm sorry.
No, I got to follow up. If you were the Bachelorette and Justin were to say, I have to go
on the show. Like, I have to be in the running here. Would you let him on the season?
Yeah. Oh, my God. I would have, like, I would have messed with him so hard. I'd be like,
perfect. We're going to come up with a really great challenge. Like, I would just choose.
I mean, me and Justin, I feel like our friendship and relationship, like we clown on each other
so hard. So I'm like, okay, perfect. I'm going to curate the perfect date to just really
mess with this man. Yeah, because you know so many deep players. I do. Yeah. I would know exactly how
to like make him so uncomfortable. Yeah. Even if it's like a group day where it's like couple
therapy or. Oh my God. Oh my God. I bring in our. Yes, exactly. I would know exactly who to
bring. Like that would be great. All right. Susie, you're the best. I'm so glad you're here.
And then we get to Joe out together. And until then, um, until then tonight, I
I've been Ashley.
And I've been Susie.
Bye.
Bye.
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