The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - The Least Dramatic Tell All with Zachary Reality

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

It’s time for the Women Tell All, and Ashley brought in our favorite Bachelor Nation beat reporter Zachary Reality to help break it all down! Zachary has all the inside info on what really happe...ned between Grant and Dina, we hear more about his feud with Carolina, and we have some tea on who could be the next Golden Bachelor!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:40 On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell, Grammy-winning producer, pastor, and music executive to talk about the beats, the business, and the legacy behind some of the biggest names in gospel, R&B, and hip-hop. Professionally, I started at Deadwell Records. From Mary Mary to Jennifer Hudson, we get into the soul of the music and the purpose that drives it. Listen to Culture raises us on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is the Ben and Ashley I, Almost Famous Podcast with IHartRadio. Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today, I am joined by Zachary Reality. He's going to be
Starting point is 00:02:17 filling in for Ben. And it's a great episode, Zach, for you to be joining us because you had inside tea about women tell all. You came on our show last week to give us some of the drama you were experiencing with Carolina about women tell all so you probably have more insight than anyone into this besides the girls that of course were there
Starting point is 00:02:40 I will say that I had a like you ever have a new act I had a few friends over last night when she walked off the stage we all screamed because I did not I wanted her to walk off the stage because she told me she was going to so if they edited that out
Starting point is 00:02:53 I would have looked like a liar so I was glad that they at least showed it but I also was glad and interested that they didn't show the backstage of her, you know, because she said the cameras followed her. I guess they decided not to air that. Yes. So if you guys didn't turn into our show last week, tune into our show last week.
Starting point is 00:03:11 Basically, Zach and Carolina had a little digital feud going on because he aired that somebody went backstage that cameras followed and that it was going to be a dramatic woman, women to all moment. Well, it actually turned out to be on TV, not very dramatic. she was shown walking off they don't show what happened actually backstage and jessie just said she needed a moment it was really no big deal yeah basically that's what happened and we're all good now um we started texting again and water under the bridge and like i said you know i'm not her biggest worry you know there was some other girls who she should be more worried about so i wasn't
Starting point is 00:03:50 her only social media drama last week i'm assuming though that you're going to be too scared to give any of her gossip out to the world? Yeah, there's just no point. I'm not going to try and shicker her again or go back and forth. Luckily, you know, since outing that I've talked to her, other girls have reached forward and I've gotten some new gossip that I can share anonymously. So we're all in a better place now. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:17 Well, I was just telling your, well, I was just telling your producer backstage that they are looking for the next Golden Bachelor. because you know this they're looking for a fresh guy a fresh guy interesting okay yeah I know somebody who's getting relatively further in the casting
Starting point is 00:04:36 as one of the women so I'm not surprised that it's happening but I'm interested to know why they're choosing a fresh guy I think it's because Mark is taken and so is oh my gosh what was his name Jonathan but Jonathan broke up
Starting point is 00:04:52 with his girlfriend Jonathan broke up with his girlfriend. Why wouldn't they choose him? I think they're really looking for a fresh new face, like somebody from anywhere. So if anyone here is listening and, you know, wants to nominate their dad or their grandpa, go to golden bachelor casting.com. They are really looking for their main guy. There's like two weeks left. It supposedly will film in July.
Starting point is 00:05:17 And they already have like 30,000 women ready to go. So they really are just looking for the right guy. So I don't know if you know anyone, Ashley. Hmm, I don't. I don't because I would be setting them up. But I do have a great woman for the cast. Now, Bachelor in Paradise does seem to be a go. Ben and I were speculating yesterday that it seemed to be not as sure of a thing as we thought.
Starting point is 00:05:42 But maybe we just heard from, we heard that there was more of a standstill than to be expected for a show that they've like put little teasers out for already. And in The Women to All, Jesse really makes it seem like, in two weeks, we're going to have some, we're going to have updates about Paradise. I think that's going to be the change of location. And I think that is going to be the fact that they're adding Goldens to the show, just my guess. What have you heard about that? I also think they could announce some cast. I mean, they've already announced Jonathan, Hakeem. I don't know if they'll announce everybody.
Starting point is 00:06:21 I don't know if they need to, but I think they'll announce potentially an air date or at least a time frame, which I think could be September, right? Or maybe sometime in August. Oh, I think it's going to be earlier. Yeah, I think it'll be back to being a summer show. I believe that they are filming in May this year. And that probably. Yes, I heard May as well. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I think they'll be done editing by August. I think they know it does better as a summer show and they can keep at least a little bit of semblance of normalcy for their year round. schedule um okay so any any speculation about the golden's being in paradise yeah that's what i heard too that like they could potentially be there and have their own type of yeah side show i think that's i think it's dumb i don't want two shows on one show i mean i don't think that works so i think they need to either commit to a golden paradise separate show and then maybe even do like four episodes if they want like they did on winter games they don't need to commit to a whole season but i don't think they should mix them. Okay. All right. Let's get back to the main show for a second. Carolina is, she starts out the show by showing off a jacket that has quotes on it from the
Starting point is 00:07:28 Carolina show. Jesse says it's a bold choice. What do you think? Yeah, this is bold. She's telling everyone basically that she had more airtime than anyone else, which is accurate by a lot. Right. But it's not necessarily something you want to brag about. It seems a little petty and low. but I mean, I do think she kind of held her own during the women to all. A lot of the girls were coming at her and she kind of held her own with some receipts and some facts.
Starting point is 00:07:56 And I didn't think she was as ganged up on as maybe it seemed. I'm sure a lot was cut on the editing room floor. Yeah. She obviously was upset. It was a lot of rehashing of the exact same stuff. We didn't get anywhere, really. You either don't think Caroline is that bad
Starting point is 00:08:15 or you're like one of the girls and you think that she's a, as heck. I can understand living with her would be annoying. I still am on her team, though, when we talk about the whole Rose situation, that is a weird thing to say to someone, and it's a weird thing to not address. So, of course, she goes and addresses it. And that was the beginning of the real, the Carolina show. I still think it was valid. I still think that was valid. And we get the answer. We see the clip in this woman to all. It's one of the most pivotal moments in the show.
Starting point is 00:08:50 We see that Grant did say to Rose something along the lines of during this dancing date today, I was thinking of you. He'd never mentioned when dancing with Carolina. I was thinking of you.
Starting point is 00:09:05 Total huge difference. Huge difference. I think it kind of clears things up. I understand why Carolina was a little triggered by what she heard. And Rose kind of admits to maybe like getting it wrong a little bit. So I'm glad that they were able to clarify what was actually said,
Starting point is 00:09:22 but it doesn't seem like we got resolution between Carolina and Rose. Like, it doesn't seem like they made up or are going to be friends. So maybe we'll get more of that, their beef in Paradise, if they both end up being there. Yeah, I still think it was a bold choice of Rose to make comment about any of that to Carolina. Super weird. But, you know, we understand that Carolina definitely has her flaws.
Starting point is 00:09:46 I don't deny that she was She was a big source of drama in the house Even with things we probably didn't see Now Dina Says another She says something bold She says If it weren't for me
Starting point is 00:10:00 Like I got you a whole other week here And I don't think she's wrong She was the one that stuck up for her That week in Madrid But don't you think that's a wild thing To say that Dina has that much control over Like Carolina's getting a rose
Starting point is 00:10:16 if it weren't for Dina standing up for her do you think that she would have yeah I see what you're saying I see what you're saying that is something that I probably wouldn't choose to say but in a moment of drama on a TV show with lights in my face and cameras it could come out of my mouth
Starting point is 00:10:32 I wouldn't be totally surprised but you're right in real life I would never say that to somebody but on a reality show I'm not surprised that it came out of her mouth it seems like a little like crazy that Dina would have that much power
Starting point is 00:10:48 but maybe Dina like sticking up for Carolina and like making up with her because they made up that rose ceremony they like hugged upstairs like maybe that like told the producers like hey like we can resolve things with her let's keep her longer because if she was so shunned from the house then the storyline
Starting point is 00:11:02 would have played out and maybe the producers would have been like all right you're not Grant's choice let's just you can go so maybe Dina meant that no that hug happened right before Carolina was eliminated she didn't get through that week. It was the week before when Dina
Starting point is 00:11:18 was like, you guys, like, she's a very sweet soul. She's a sweet soul. And like, I'm thinking about her through all of this. That's the week. She said she got her through. Well, maybe she, she definitely supported her and had her back. You know, so I think Dina did come in with some receipts.
Starting point is 00:11:34 That, like, she was her friend and she felt kind of, like, crossed the second, like, something happened between them. Yeah. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.
Starting point is 00:11:58 This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former. professor and they're the same age.
Starting point is 00:12:16 And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Starting point is 00:15:47 Another thing that Dina did was she posted a TikTok that said, like, when you defend the one person, nobody else would just to get played, just to get played the next week. So Dina was teasing the upcoming episode where she and Carolina actually had at it. And this is one of the first times that we see Bachelor, The Bachelor using Instagram content, TikTok, social media content to create drama on the show to perpetuate a storyline.
Starting point is 00:16:19 I like it. Let's continue doing this. But again, that was a bold choice of Dina. I could see why Carolina would have been upset by that. But at the same time, she isn't saying much. She's not really throwing shade. It is exactly what happened. Well, isn't that the same thing that happened to me last week
Starting point is 00:16:39 with my Twitter. I wasn't trying to throw shade. I was just trying to, like, tease the show. The same thing happened with Dinas, you know? Yes. And then what happens, as you allude to, Carolina decides to just screenshot their text messages and put them out there. I'm like, Carolina, you can't do this. No one's going to do. What? You can't do this. Every time somebody annoys you a little bit with a social media comment, you're going to just throw out private text messages? I mean, at least she's consistent.
Starting point is 00:17:14 So now people know, don't not play with Carolina. Don't trigger her. Don't post. Don't press her buttons because she will. Don't text her. You got to call her or FaceTime her. I sent her voice notes, actually.
Starting point is 00:17:26 You cannot be texting her because if you do something wrong, she will post your text. She's done it to multiple people. That's hilarious. This episode did make me like, Dina even more. I do feel like she should have been The Bachelorette
Starting point is 00:17:39 if we were going to pull one from this season. She is so unapologetically and genuinely, type A. It's hilarious between her laundry and there was some other moment where I was like, this girl is just no shame in her type A game. You, you, um, what was your take on her glasses? I thought she looked stunning in them. Yes.
Starting point is 00:18:01 I was going to say like bold choice for her glasses because I feel like she was getting a lot of flack online. People were just saying that she looks different now. So I don't know if she died her hair, if something's different in her makeup routine or just the glasses. But a lot of people have been commenting on her appearance. And I think she looks really smart. She looks like the attorney that she is. She's well spoken. And I feel like she probably, you know, went back and forth with Carolina a little too much. Like maybe she shouldn't have, you know, been a little, feet of fed into Carolina as much as she did. But I feel like at least she got her point across. And hopefully she's able to move forward after this woman.
Starting point is 00:18:35 until all, even though the two of them probably won't be friends, maybe we'll see both of them in paradise. Dina's going to go into this friendship with, like, guard on, for sure. Like a bulletproof vest. She's not going to trust anything anymore. But Dina, her makeup routine and her look, she looked so good. She looked softer.
Starting point is 00:18:57 I liked the curls. And her, there's something softer about her face. I loved it. I want to see more of this. you know, look, the other big thing to come out of this show was that she says my family was actually torn on meeting you. And I made the final decision not to have them meet you because I didn't want it to be like an internal family conflict. Jesse asked whether she regrets it and she said, yeah, sometimes a little bit. And yeah, it made me think. I'm not sure. I think that I was just knowing
Starting point is 00:19:33 myself. If my family was internally conflicted about it, I would think that it was probably something that they could get over that once they did it, they would be happy that they did it. So we would just go forward with it. Dina said that she didn't know
Starting point is 00:19:49 it was going to be as big of a deal. She wishes that she would go back and be like, hey, like, what does this mean to you? Like, does this really concern you? What was your take on all this? It's definitely seems like Grant was going to send her home regardless.
Starting point is 00:20:05 So I don't think it was a make-or-break factor. Like, clearly he's falling in love. Like he said, you know, to Latia and Juliana out there hometowns. So I think that it's sad that Dina, like, let that eat herself up. It sounds like she didn't give herself her family enough prep time. Like, maybe she didn't think she was going to make it to hometown. And when she found that she was going, there really was only a few days to scramble. So it kind of sucks that, like, her family was divided over it and that they just said,
Starting point is 00:20:31 she made the joint decision to step. in and be like everyone stop fighting nobody's coming so that's kind of how it seemed like it went down i wish she was able to bring a couple of her siblings since she has 10 so many but ultimately like when she explained it it does make sense you know why she didn't want to take that gamble when there was when it was causing such a divide in her family yeah like no judgment i just said what i would have probably done but i have no idea how a family of 11 children navigate issues like this you know It's just me and my sister. 11 children.
Starting point is 00:21:04 So it's like, if you were to say like, hey, half my siblings, can you come? Just like be down to do this? I don't know. Does that divide the family? Does that like really piss the other side off? I understand why she made the choice that she did. And yeah, I don't think it ultimately made any difference. They're a tight family unit, it seems like.
Starting point is 00:21:23 Yeah. It's cool to be that close when you have 11 siblings. Yes. So it is what it is. I think that, you know, I still think she's going to go to paradise and hopefully find love. And luckily, her family won't have to be involved in that. And it makes sense. Like, she chose to go on TV. Her family didn't. So it is what it is. And I do agree with you. I think that time was a big factor. It's hard to be able to get everybody on one page when you have like five days, not even five days to decide what to do.
Starting point is 00:21:54 Exactly. So she still, she still held her own. And, you know, she had to get that cry out. she saw Grant to get that closure. But it seems like she got it. And now I'm trying to think about who I want to ship her with for Bachelor in Paradise because I definitely think she'll be there. I mean, there's only a few girls this season. I think we'll definitely be there. And I think we'll see her.
Starting point is 00:22:12 I think we'll see Carolina. I think we'll see Rose and maybe even Chloe. In Alex. And Alex. If Alex is down to do it. For some reason, Alex feels like she might not be a Paradise Girlie. Right. But hopefully she is.
Starting point is 00:22:27 And maybe Sarahina. She got a lot of air time last night. she had like a whole hot seat. Yeah, that was interesting. We didn't get much out of that. We got that her mom wants to be on the golden, which is probably why she got it because they're probably putting her on the golden.
Starting point is 00:22:41 Yeah, I did see a lot of comments online that there wasn't a lot of room for talk between the girls. They really focused in on a lot of these hot seats for a while and Carolina that a lot of the other girls who are like, you could call them the extras if they went home early, they really didn't, we didn't hear them speak at all. Like, they didn't even get like one question. That's true.
Starting point is 00:22:58 And you know what's also really. weird is that they had Beverly there and then they didn't have her say anything about her appendectomy. Right. Like what? Why have her there and not talk about why she had a dramatic early exit?
Starting point is 00:23:13 Must have got cut. It probably got cut, yes. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot.
Starting point is 00:23:38 He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them.
Starting point is 00:23:55 I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him, because. he now wants them both to meet. So do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Jenna Lopez. And in the new season of the Overcover podcast, I'm taking you on an exciting journey of self-reflection.
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Starting point is 00:25:21 No, I didn't audition. I haven't auditioned in like over 25 years. Oh, wow. That's a real G-talk right there. We've got some of the biggest actors, musicians, content creators, and culture shifters sharing their real stories of failure and success. You were destined to be a start. We talk all about what's viral and trending with a little bit of chisement, a lot of laughs,
Starting point is 00:25:46 and those amazing vibras you've come to expect. And of course, we'll explore deeper topics dealing with identity, struggles, and all the issues affecting our Latin community. You feel like you get a little whitewash because you have to. to do the code switching. I won't say whitewash because at the end of the day, you know, I'm me. Yeah. But the whole pretending and cold, you know, it takes a toll on you.
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Starting point is 00:27:27 Grant's facial expressions. I feel like this is not going to end well for him. Yeah, his body language looked a little exhausted and a little upset, which is normal to see with some bachelors after a long season, they could be wearing the exhaustion, but he also should be excited that it's almost over. So I think that he might be anticipating some backlash in these next couple of weeks when we see what goes down at the finale. And I think he's probably wearing that and getting nervous for the fans to see.
Starting point is 00:27:57 what really went down. He certainly hasn't gotten backlash yet. No, he's gotten a very clean edit. Yeah. It's very just cookie cutter. I mean, he hasn't made much of an impression on me, so it's not, I'm not like, I don't love him, I don't not like him. Like, he's kind of just playing his role as bachelor.
Starting point is 00:28:14 Yeah, the girls have definitely led the season. As a lot of the times, they say they do. Okay, well, what's your final prediction seeing the scenes for the next couple episodes? I think that it's intense. to see him say, I love you to Latia. And if he doesn't pick her, after the I love you, I love you, that's always dramatic. Well, I'm glad to know that there's two weeks. I originally thought next week was going to be the finale.
Starting point is 00:28:41 Yeah. So I would have been like, wow, that would have gone fast. So next week, I think, should be interesting. I think just the whole fantasy sweets aspect adds a different layer because did you know that Grant was celibate? This came out last week. But tell us everything. Yeah, he's been celibate for a year going into The Bachelor.
Starting point is 00:29:01 He was in a seven-year-long relationship before he was on Jen's season. So he was really trying to be intentional with having sex. So he opened up about it on the Bile Files last week about how he was celibate going into the Bachelors. So I really think that that should come up during this week's fantasy suites because they're already trying to make this storyline about Latia, not wanting to sleep with him because she's Mormon. But now it seems like she's not going to have to worry about that anyway because he won't be sleeping with anyone.
Starting point is 00:29:29 So that potentially could make a lot less drama on the fantasy suites than what we're used to or what we were hoping for. Wow. That does change things. That does make things easier for her, assuming. All assumptions, but yes. Assuming. Yeah. So I wonder how they'll have those conversations and how they'll navigate those conversations.
Starting point is 00:29:50 I think we're all on agreement that we think Zoe's probably going to go home next week at the final three. Yeah. So I would be interested to see just. how she goes home. Is it a mutual decision? Does she walk herself out? Is she going to cry and be really heartbroken about it? Or is she going to just shrug her shoulder and move on?
Starting point is 00:30:07 I think her exit is what's keeping me interested. Yeah. She is, they definitely voiced over the whole, like, I could see myself engaged this woman. That's definitely not about Zoe, in my opinion. That's to throw us off. Yeah, no. Probably not. Okay.
Starting point is 00:30:25 Well, Zach, is there anything else that we've made? that was really dramatic during Women's Hall? It was a little lackluster. Anything that you know to spice it up? I know. I'm trying to think. I mean, I think what we got and I did watch some interviews is there really wasn't resolution. Like I said, it's with Carolina and some of the girls.
Starting point is 00:30:44 Like usually you'll see like a hug or like, you know, something at the end. Yeah. And we didn't get any of that. So I think we can expect some of that drama to carry over in Paradise. I also did notice that a lot of people were giving Jesse Palmer a hard time last night. And I kind of agreed. It seemed like he didn't know when to step in when the girls were fighting, and he wasn't good at guiding any resolution or just conversation.
Starting point is 00:31:05 So I think we have to give him a little bit of flack for last night, at least the way it was shown. I just didn't think he did much as a host. Okay. Respect. I did see a comment that was like, Dina is actually hosting this thing. Right. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:31:20 Yeah, there was just like a lot of screaming. I felt like I didn't get to hear from all the girls. So this was probably more of a letdown, I would say, out of all the tell-alls. I just feel like tell alls need to be re-evaluated. Ben and I, you like tell-alls. Like you told us last week that you were really excited about this. I get so angry when they're like, and next week, women tell all. I'm like, no, give me fantasy sweets.
Starting point is 00:31:46 I just don't feel like I need it, especially on a season that is already two episodes shorter than the norm. Yeah, it definitely is a little bit shorter, huh? I mean, I like tell all just because it's like the drama's heightened and it's usually a place to solve all the issues. So it was okay. But like I said, it could have been better. We did get a lot of that snow white content. Yeah, a lot of snowy crossover.
Starting point is 00:32:10 Hey, the mirror mirror thing worked better than I thought. I was thinking that like, oh, this is cheesy. But then when we got the clip of Rose and Grant, that was worth it. And then it was funny to see some behind the scenes info. The bloopers were really good. this season. Good bloopers. And it just, again, as bloopers always do,
Starting point is 00:32:32 made me feel like they need to keep some of that lightheartedness into the show. Like Carolina said, do you want to make out with me intensely and then let me smell your armpit? Like, what? Wait, why do you like smell on armpits? It was a little creepy.
Starting point is 00:32:49 But I actually do want to see Snow White, and I think a lot of people do. So I'm glad that they're promoting a movie that is approved. And they also approved, they also talked about mom talk, which is what you guys said, too, the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2, taking over The Bachelor at Time Slot. They announced the premiere of that show for May 15th. And it's a Monday? It's a Monday. Okay. Yeah. Interesting. All right. Well, thank you for recapping this with me. And you're going to stick around for headlines this week. And they are juicy. All right. See you guys then. Let's do it. Follow the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcasts on IHartRadio, or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.
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