The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - The Most Dramatic Hometowns EVER

Episode Date: February 18, 2020

Ben & Ashley break down what may be the most DRAMATIC hometown date in Bachelor history.They have all the inside info, and all the behind the scenes dirt! Find out what happened with Victoria F on truly the wildest hometown date! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcast with IHartRadio. It is a huge episode. We're still in Tahoe at Squaw Valley hanging out. Ashley, thank you so much for coming to Bachelor Live on stage last night. It was so much fun. It's pure two hours of entertainment. I think the best part of the show is if you love The Bachelor, when you come to Bachelor live on stage, you've got to expect for the whole season to be condensed down to two hours. And so you hopefully see some type of connection made from start to finish within a two hour show. We talked a lot about Bachelor live

on stage last episode. Make sure you go check out our Valentine's Day special where we ask some ridiculous questions to some of Bachelor Nation's favorite. couples, including Ashley and Jared. So part of us being together in Tahoe meant that we got to watch the episode together this weekend. And it was so much fun doing it as a group. Wild. And I, like, love that I was able to look at you in the middle of certain parts and be like,

oh, we're talking about that. Oh, I can't believe that just happened. I haven't watched as a group in a long time because when I do watch as a group, you can barely hear anything. And we need to pick up all these little. nuances is yeah but it was actually fun and somehow we were able to really pick up on everything i actually think actually and i might be wrong i'm just going to throw it out there and see what you think um in the two and a half years that we've done this podcast was last night that was like no it was

last night with this weekend we watched episode was it the very first time we've ever watched a episode together yeah i think it actually is something we should try to do more often it was fun and it was actually like i i do get a little annoyed sometimes like in all events watching sports with people or even like watching the bachelor because you need to hear it but when we watch together people were screaming yelling like i see why people get so invested in the show now yeah it's it's fun it's a team sport it's a team sport well actually this is a huge episode let's pause here take one break when we come back we're going to dive into dissecting this episode from start to finish and trust me this episode had action

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Now he's insisting we get to know each other. But I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them.

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app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. We start out on the very first hometown date with Hannah-Anne. Somebody, Ashley, at this point in the season, it's now time for us to pause to understand who's left, and we can really start to dissect their stories with The Bachelor, which in this case is Peter. Hannah Ann has, I would say, been one at the beginning I thought had a good chance, but yet kind of disappeared kind of got on the fringe of like wait is she going to be the villain and then kind of was quiet for a few weeks and now we still see her around what's your thoughts

on hana ann my thought is that like i get why he likes her but i don't see him falling in love with her and it seemed like he was very anxious last night to say i'm falling in love with you and it was crazy that he was like down to say that because her dad clearly said do not say this to my daughter unless basically she's the one like unless you 100% no doubt feel it so like he likes her enough you're telling me that after that conversation with the dad he likes her enough to do it he loves her enough that would be my that would be my take if i just had last night in a microcosm to review i would have watched the dad's conversation with peter how intentional the dad was by saying Peter, I'm not going to close this door on you.

Like, I'm not totally against this. But just know, if this is not, pretty much what I took from this is, if this is not a for sure thing, please don't tell my daughter this. And I get this from my own experience. I've been there. Like, those words matter. And then he just, you know, closes the door. You know, he walks out of the house, two steps, closes the door and says it. So in my take, Ashley, if I were to sit here today with you without knowing anything else, I would say Hannah Ann is the first.

frontrunner. I guess so. Right? Based on that, we would have to say the intentionality of the conversation and then how quickly he responded by saying, hey, Ann, your dad told me not to say this unless you're the one, but I'm falling for you. But he knows that his feelings for Madison are stronger. We don't know that right now. Oh, I don't know. We cannot assume that.

Based on this. Coming off of last week, I think that the dude knows that Madison's number one. I'm saying just on that conversation and how Peter responded, we have to say, Hanay and is the frontrunner. Just to preface this whole breakdown of the episode, the dates on hometowns are great, they're fine. I don't think we get to know a lot about the person. No, like before we get to the house? No, like we don't even talk about that.

Yeah, the house is what matters. So we start out hot. I know last night when we were watching the episode, we were freaked out. We both, this is the first time we looked at each other. We're like, holy cow. And I wonder, and we don't know this yet, this could either be, I will say this. And everybody knows that I've been a proponent of Peter all season.

I think he's a nice guy. I think the contestants overwhelmed him. I think he really wants to see this work. I think we need to still root for Peter. I will say this. Mark my words. The decision Peter made last night after having the conversation with Hannah Ann will either go down as the most beautiful moment of the season or his worst mistake.

His worst. We already saw a worst mistake later in the episode. We're not there yet. I will say that when a. Dad looks at you or any family member looks at you and says, please do not say this to my daughter unless it is the real thing. And then you respond by saying it. It either will be a beautiful moment for us to celebrate and go,

that's when we recognized it. Or if he doesn't choose Hannah-Anne at the end, we'll say that was a really terrible decision. And I speak from this not in judgment because I've been there. I've made a similar mistake in my life on this experience. and I know the emotions of how that feels. I'm saying for my own mistakes and that I've learned from and looking back on,

it will either be a great moment or a really, really hard moment. Okay. So I'm going to just not agree with you here because I think there's going to be, I think him, you know, I know I'm skipping ahead, but I think him keeping Victoria is like, you're right, maybe not morally as much of a mistake

as it is just to like talk to a girl's dad and then say it. But I think that the direction, drama ahead based on the scenes for the next episode allude to me that he makes a bigger mistake we don't but actually what i'm saying is we don't know we don't know i know you're talking about in this episode what we know so far leading up to this point without assuming anything we cannot assume anything of how this plays out no assumptions we at this point that's where we're at moving on then uh we get in the next home date hometown date which was uh it was uh kelsey Kelsey

I think at this point we pretty much knew that unless at this point we're watching the episode chronologically it felt like Kelsey definitely had the least amount of connection with Peter

outside of everybody else in my opinion yeah I guess we're at that point you're still a Kelsey fan I don't know I think that based on yeah you know I don't know because watching them versus watching Hannah Ann and him

I feel more of a a connection between him and Kelsey than him and Hannah Ann. Why is that? You felt like that the whole season. You've been a Kelsey supporter, really? Well, yeah, because I get her because she's such a crier. She's so expressive about her emotion. She's so, like, shamelessly open about it.

So I like her because of that, but I also feel like he's the kind of guy that really connects to women who show emotion. And I just feel like two weeks ago, he was asking Hannah Ann to show him more. and this in this episode like he's falling in love with her like I just don't know where like this came about

I did actually and I don't know if it will be a popular opinion or not I really did enjoy Kelsey and Peter's date at the wine I thought the wine thing was really fun I thought it was a good date it was a fun idea I think it would actually be a great group date on the season if everybody stood inside

and made some wine maybe they've done it I don't know but maybe they have done it then we go to the home which we've learned about Kelsey's home life really throughout the season The dad thing didn't come up. The dad thing didn't come up, which was surprising to me because it was such a powerful moment for their relationship early on in the season.

Yeah, wait. Thinking about that, that's so crazy, you would think that they would have had some play on the dad during hometowns after she did that big reveal to him last week about how she's in touch with him, but her mom doesn't know yet. So that part was intriguing to me. Not because I need to get into their family business. And as a viewer, I don't, but like, if I was Peter,

and if I'm Kelsey I'm walking to that house going what is the dynamic I want to ask some of the questions to understand how the mom feels Yeah what was that the stepdad? Well we don't know was it It was the stepdad

Tori says it is Yeah it's a stepdad So I think Kelsey's hometown date Was done beautifully But It felt like it fell short Compared to the others Okay

Fair enough Yes fair enough Fair enough So at this point in the episode just to make this as simple as possible for everybody listening and for ourselves. We have a hometown date with Hannah Ann and a hometown date with Kelsey. Hannah Ann's hometown date, I thought, felt emotional. It felt like it pulled at the heartstrings.

It felt like Hannah Ann maybe for the first time all season was authentically looking at Peter and going, I don't want to lose you. I think the rest of time it was kind of this confusion like, I really am falling for you. I like you a lot. I think I might love you, but I don't know. I thought at the hometowns,

it maybe hit her that this guy is somebody she doesn't want to lose. Okay. I really wish that I could feel this. I don't feel it. I don't feel Hannah-Anne's connection to him at all. Tori,

I think I need another girl's perspective. Are you feeling at all? About Peter and... At Hannah-Anne- Do you feel any connection? And this is not me like mean girl. her because at the beginning of the season I didn't love her. Producer

Tori, who is kindly engineering and editing this podcast here in Tahoe is sitting here with a response. I haven't felt a connection from the beginning, but that's just me. I also will say though, I don't know if the person asked because I don't feel a connection with any of these girls.

I feel a connection. I feel like he has a connection obviously with Victoria F. And then, which is weird, which is a weird one. And then I obviously feel like he has a connection with Madison. I think Hannah Ann, it's like he loves his little Alabama girls. Yeah.

You know, and she's endearing and she's sweet and she's beautiful. But I don't think he really, I don't interpret it as like he sees her as his wife. He sees her as like, she's this really cute girl and like we're doing this together. Yeah, he's a really cute girl that he'd like to date. But like, I don't think that he has like this overwhelming emotion for her. But I guess I'm wrong considering he's saying I'm falling in love with you. Well, yeah. And I will say, though, his letter, the list of.

of things he loves about her was sweet of him to do yes it was sweet and it's a gesture that like he didn't need to do i will say that from personal experience on the show is that had to be his choice yeah he had to be sitting there going i want to offer hannah and something and this was his choice to do which is a very very good moment moving on then from the hannah anne and kelsey yeah we get into really the pivotal moments of this episode we've all been interested in madison storyline we felt like a lot of us that Madison had the most genuine relationship with Peter and probably the best potential to be with Peter long term after this experience. We felt like that for really weeks since week one. It's a lot of times our listeners have been writing us like crazy saying

that she is the only one that they have felt any connection with, that any type of like rooting for in this whole thing. So this was a big moment for. Peter to go to her hometown. We pick it up in at Auburn University where Madison's father is an assistant basketball coach there. And then we go to a beautiful home, wherever that was. Their beautiful home there in Auburn, which I thought was like the coolest thing I've ever seen. I love that style. Yeah, it was very nice style. Very nice. And there is some underlying things with the relationship with Madison and Peter that I don't feel like either of them are doing a great job talking about and I think it came to the surface during hometowns when the family asked

Madison Madison pretty much how much does Peter know about you and your choices and your morals and your values in life the faith that you hold and why you hold to this faith and it felt like at that moment she froze and like I'm assuming what we saw she wanted to say is he doesn't know a lot about it which is obviously to the people that know and love Madison best the most foundational important thing about who she is and what makes her tick yeah i feel like when we're watching that part i kind of feel for madison because her parents are like have you had these serious conversations and she's like well i broached the topic we've definitely discussed it but i think in her head she's probably like you guys don't understand this process i've had

two one-on-ones with them like that's two dates like would you be bringing this stuff up on your date in real life like it's not you really want to like create a camaraderie before you start getting that serious i do agree i think there's an intentionality to it all i think and i've said this before i think it's the part that peter has missed on the most all season is digging in and asking the important digging okay so that's that's definitely i think he needs to help guide is his main issue is when she brings up to him in the last episode like to talk about any of those things is not easy you know jessica and i i'd say it took us a few dates when we really started to talk about hey these are my expectations these who this is who i want to be this is how i need you to respect me

and like honor me as a person we both shared that to each other early on so that i could be the man that she needed me to be to her and she could be the woman that i needed her to be to me that wasn't too far into our relationship that we started to have those kind of conversation just say as we progress forward just know these are my boundaries these are my standards these are this is how I need to be treated and this is what I know I want in a relationship that wasn't too far along in our relationship so so here's the problem and again let me preface this was saying I am a Peter fan I like this guy I think he got a rough go at it when Madison brings up to him the topic of faith last week yes last week and why faith was so important to her I will tell

you this in any dating relationship show or not dig in ask why be curious be be be incredible be so non-apologetically curious that at the end of it even if you disagree and even if you have to part ways at least you understand and i felt like after that conversation we glossed over it and last week you were saying last week that you felt like but i think it's now becoming an issue it's coming to the surface this week because of the lack of communication last week. I guess I would say to play devil's advocate, like perhaps that stuff was edited out. We're not going to see like this in-depth religious conversation. Ashley, I'm going to interrupt you there though.

Yeah. I would agree with you that it could be. I'm just, I'm playing devil's advocate. I agree with you that it could have been edited out if at hometowns when her family asks her how much about this, Peter knows and she doesn't like know how to respond. She wouldn't stutter. She wouldn't stutter. Yeah.

She would have said, oh, we had. a great conversation about it last week and this is how he responded to me this is what we talked about instead she was like well not a lot well i think in that moment with her mom she was directly referring to saving herself for marriage and i think madison was like i talked about faith with him but i didn't spell that part out yet okay and i don't think it's wrong of her to wait to fantasy suites to really have that conversation. Becca did. Becca waited until fantasy suites for Chris Soles. Yeah. I mean, I think it's a fair time. I think because there's a connotation around fantasy suites, you're going to be spending the night together. What do you expect? What do you want?

Like, I think expectations have to get set on both sides. We don't know what happens next week with any of this. But what we do know is that it has to be talked about now. Like it has to this, we have to see both of those Madison and Peter step up and start sharing who they are as people if we're going to root for them to be an actual couple afterwards. Well, we see at the end of the episode, she pulls them aside. She's obviously about to go tell him that. Fair. I hope so.

Yeah, I mean, I would assume. But again, can we really assume anything on this show? So I think we see her pulling him aside. And I think that's where she's first going to tell him that she's going to wait until marriage. And then we see them in a date setting where, she goes where she says something along the lines of i'm not going to be okay she should say i'm not going to be okay with you sleeping with anybody else or i would consider leaving if i knew that you sleep with anybody else yes we do see that so here ashley is where

which we may come up with some parallels to the luke situation but i don't think we should approach that until next week when we actually see the conversation go down but here's the thing that we'll be watching for how madison presents that topic of course is it the meaning is does it feel like she is putting peter in a corner does it feel like she is diminishing who what he feels is right and wrong yeah or is she open to having a conversation so that she can share who she is so peter can share who he is and they can come to some type of agreement and understanding in the middle i think that will be the difference between luke p and madison okay so the crux of the argument last okay there was so many problems with

Luke P. But a lot of people had the problem with him that he said that he was trying to tell Hannah what to do with her body. And in this case, it might be Madison telling Peter the same. Is there going to be a double standard? I think listeners, please write us in at the Ben and Ashley I at my, please write us at Ben and Ashley at iHeartMedia.com. Let us know your thoughts. Will there be a double standard again we are assuming we are predicting but write us in and say what is it that you're looking for in that conversation with madison because here's the other problem actually i want and i believe that these conversations need to exist in relationships so how are they done correctly and then how are they also done poorly yeah so that's going to be really interesting to see how how madison

handles it next week i agree huge storyline and we can't cannot neglect the final hometown date When we come back We are going to finish Breaking down this episode We're going to talk Victoria F And then we might just have to come back around And close out this episode

By talking about the Rose Ceremony We'll be back with the Almost Famous podcast My boyfriend's professor Is way too friendly And now I'm seriously suspicious Oh wait a minute Sam Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit Well Dakota, it's back to school week

On the okay story time podcast So, we'll find out soon. This person writes, My boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up.

Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him

because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD...

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Honestly, these are going to come out so freaking. amazing be a part of my new chapter and listen to the new season of the overcomfor podcast as part of the mycultura podcast network on the iHeart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast victoria f's hometown is oh it felt so good for not very long actually all season i mean honestly it was brought up to me with beck and jesse when they came into the podcast is when i first recognized that victoria f has this tendency to run away to kind of like flip the conversation a little bit but also just that her and peter really ship felt so unhealthy it starts out great but actually oh my god tell us more wacky it's

actually wacky when you think about the fact that he kept her after all this it's really like what the hell does she do to him producer amy thinks that she has like a voodoo doll and like she's doing some sort of spells on him which actually at this point doesn't even see seemed like that wacky um okay so they're out on a date hunter hayes shows up which is funny because you know another country star i would ask her right away you haven't dated hunter hayes right did you hear the you know the lyrics to that song it's like this it's a crazy um is it um i don't need crazy i what is it i don't want easy i want crazy like i wonder if they were playing into that uh i i think the show always has some undertones to it

I believe that fully. So then his ex, Marissa, comes up, and it seems like they have a very friendly, trusting relationship. They may be exes, but it seems like they ended on good terms. Or they ended a very long time ago, and they just don't care what happened anymore. But she seems like a resource that he would trust. And she comes up to him and says, I'm really worried about you pursuing this stuff further with Victoria.

She has a really bad reputation around here in the Virginia Beach area. and then you know if i were peter this is one of those times ben where he doesn't dig i'd be like what what do you mean like tell me everything i'd be like tell me everything he's shocked he is he's shocked and thrown off and i think ashley in this moment too he had had such a good day with a woman he's obviously into that it just felt defeating i think he was just defeated yeah he was like again more drama with her again so marissa says that victoria f has broken up relationships in the past has meddled and those relationships have gone Caputti after her involvement. So he doesn't, you know, he doesn't dig further than that. And I would be like,

tell me everything that you know, but then again, okay. And then from our sources that we hear that are close to the situation who have known Victoria in the past in Virginia Beach. And we hope to have one of these sources on the podcast by the end of the season. But right now I can just say that allegedly they say that she has broken up marriages, her friend's marriages. We don't have 100% confirmation of this. All we're saying is that our source is telling us that that is their opinion of what has gone down between Victoria and some other men in the Virginia Beach area.

this is obviously just something we've heard it is not confirmed by any means but no matter what this is a heavy situation for peter to process i cannot imagine being in his footsteps going on a great date with somebody he cares about having somebody come up to you randomly who you've dated and saying peter i think you're a great guy and as a result i need you to know this that is i mean watching this again is one of those moments that we talk about every season it's like one of those moments where like this becomes very real very quickly and i feel for peter because you see it in his eyes where it's just like i don't like i don't even understand like i don't get what you're saying and let's cut it there because i think the most important piece of this is

marissa is sharing something with peter he ends it with going i don't understand i just feel defeated I'm confused. We pick it up again with Peter showing up at the doorsteps. Sharing that only. Hey, Victoria, I don't understand. I feel defeated. I'm confused.

This is what was said to me and I need to ask you about it because I just need to get it out there. I care about you too much to let this hang over us. And I thought her response was wildly unfair to him. Okay, so first let's just say

that she does address the relationship breaking in like the first line she says like does she say like we need i wish i could have the quote but she says something like i absolutely have not that is absolutely not the truth right something along the lines of like denial there was denial there was one sentence of denial before she flips the entire conversation it makes it about how he came here to see her family and how she can't believe that he's bringing something like that up And it was just like a whole thing where she flipped the conversation and made herself the victim in it. What do we call that?

What is that called? I'm sure there's some like millennial gas lighting. This is like a new expression that I'm not really sure. It's such a millennial thing. I'm trying to learn what it means. But it basically means like taking a situation and like making the other person feel bad about even bringing it up in the first place. Yeah. exactly it's trying to make the other person feel crazy in the situation yeah and that's what exactly

what we were feeling here let's take it definitely was trying to make him feel crazy i thought it was so unfair because i really do everybody's given peter so much heat this season like so much so much heat and they've also given the ladies a lot of heat as well i'm saying that it's not like they haven't got off scot tree yeah but i thought he handled this really well i thought he went into it took a deep breath he wasn't angry he didn't come out with emotion he just said victor i need to know this and all of a sudden he had to get defensive because she's going you came all the way here and i was so excited for you meet my family and you have to bring this up and he's like victor that's not what i'm saying i just i need to talk to my partner right now so many things

he does handle these situations really well like he does he does not have a temper like he does not flare up he like really is able to stay even keel and i think it's super impressive but i can't believe that he's actually saying so even keeled when she's slipping this conversation on him like at this point he should probably say something like you stop doing this stop I need to know about what Marissa said and he never stopped her

and never readdressed the actual crux of the situation it's actually the truth of all this too is there's an interesting moment where he's standing there in the like driveway or the road with Victoria and she starts saying some stuff to him and and as we watch it together everybody was like what like what is she saying and peter's first response was what are you saying like this isn't making any sense to me and it wasn't making any sense to any of us and we leave this conversation all of us really frustrated feeling really bad for peter and also i mean in

a sense just that this conversation had to exist in general and also really can confused if it was true or not because Victoria never completed a sentence. Oh, no, no, I was not confused because if anything, her silence and her not denying the allegations was, was her telling him exactly what happened. And that was that what Marissa said was true. If I'm trying to put myself into her shoes. So if there was something that was asked of me that was not true, like if somebody sat down and said, Ben, I've heard this about you. And this is what I've heard. I need to know.

I think being defensive right away is a natural response. I think you could be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is what, like, but then all of a said, I think there's a calmness to it and go, I need you to know that this is not true. And I don't know how to prove it to you, but please, like, understand that what was ever said is not the case. Or like, there's a confirmation there of just saying, like, I know right now this feels heavy i know it feels weird but like we're like i'm willing to work with you for you to understand that this these allegations aren't true and like i just need you to stick with me as we try to figure

this out i think that's the fair response instead we got a lot of like open-ended thoughts of like why don't you want to meet my family this is so sad moving us into then the next morning which i didn't even know i thought that he i thought he broke up with her i was like what is this he just left in the car there was no conclusion there exactly so moving us in the next morning Everybody pretty much assumed that Victoria F was gone, that she and that Peter had broken up with her. He's in some hotel room. I can't believe they couldn't have found him a nicer hotel. That thing looked.

It looks like something that I've never, I haven't stayed in a long time. But Victoria knocks the door. And Ashley, we pick it up here with a conversation that still didn't feel conclusive. Conclusive. It felt like a very similar conversation tonight before, except there was no blaming and no shaming me. Yeah, it was like a better conversation as far as like tonality goes, but there still was no, there is no substance to it. Here's what I don't like about it, though. The conversation only got to a place of substance because Peter started out right away by apologizing. Why is he apologizing? Exactly. Why is he apologizing first? She does have a voodoo doll. Meaning, moving us into the Rose ceremony, where expectations are that probably Victoria F is going home, but nobody really knows.

But he decides to take her. He decides to take her to the Rose ceremony. He does, which is shocking. Shocking, but also as a viewer, you're sitting there going, okay, let's see how this plays out. We have so much information now. You're very calm, Ben. We've seen. Because I think most people are like, not let's see how this plays out.

Most people were cursing at him through the TV. Or I have a feeling that people are, I have a feeling that this will not be a great episode for Peter. And that is so sad to me because I really wanted to see these next few episodes be really good for him so that he came out of this on top. And I still believe he will. Again, I still believe there's time and I still believe that we'll end this by going, hey, he might have not been the best Bachelor ever that we would have expected, but he's been good and he tried so hard and he cared so much. And I know Bachelor Nation will root for him. Can we, can we say that, like, some people can be fantastic, good charactered, kind-hearted people and just not make a good bachelor? Like, just because you don't handle the process that well, it doesn't mean that you're not a great person.

You're just not a great bachelor. Yeah, let's not hate, I don't think anybody out there hates Peter. I think a lot of people are upset with this season. I don't think they're going, oh, Peter is awful. I've never heard that. people are saying Peter isn't what we are hoping for maybe but we don't we and we just don't love this season because it's hard to root for anybody and it's a little bit of a disappointment because we expected big things from him like I think expectations were so high for Peter

that I felt like he was set up to fail so many people are just saying he should have just been from hand to with Hannaby from the start I mean at this point I'm not shocked if that still happens and and I but that's a whole other conversation hey So we get to the rose ceremony. Long story short, Kelsey goes home. Victoria F stays, Madison stays, Hannah Ann stays. Ashley, I will let you have your moment here. Because I think you, along with a lot of other people at that moment, were yelling at the screen.

So I knew that once he, I mean, I knew in my soul, not like as a fact, that when he brought Victoria F. to that rose ceremony, she was going to stay. So I immediately, in my head, eliminated Kelsey. Because if he was going to eliminate Victoria, he would have just done it in Virginia Beach. Yeah. So I was not shocked come the rose ceremony. But I also was shocked. Like, I was just shocked that it, like, actually happened.

And I, I just can't believe that he let a girl through after those allegations were presented and he didn't dig to find out the truth about. them that is what's mind-boggling to me is that for some reason he doesn't even want to know if it was true or he wants to ignore it for as long as he possibly can i think a lot of viewers watch this week's episode with frustration at the end i think they were frustrated i think they felt like there's a lot of like anger and just confusion i think a lot of people are on the edge of their seat for next week not because they're looking forward to it but because they just want to see some type of conclusion and I also think Bachelor Nation out there

is really wanting some type of beauty from this season and there's been very few beautiful moments. Very few moments to celebrate. But what a cliffhanger between Victoria getting through, which is just like a cliffhanger in itself because it's just so mind-boggling. And then with Madison pulling Peter aside, I can't wait to see how that conversation goes.

I was like, Ben, we got to get the screener right now. I can't wait another week. I cannot wait another week. I think this I'm glad Madison did it then I was sitting there and I was trying to think about do I like this decision by her to pull him now I think it was a good decision I think it gives him some time to think about it gives her some time to think about they have a long flight to Australia it off her chest it gets it off her chest it gets it out there you know what I hope and the one thing we have to give I don't know if we've seen a bachelor console and work through really difficult conversations as well as Peter has to have to be. I don't know if we've seen a bachelor console and work through really difficult conversations as well as Peter just by keeping his temper down i think he's in a great job that i don't think he asks a lot of questions in return yeah but i think he keeps a very even keel and i believe he is this is the thing peter might be the most approachable bachelor we've ever seen i 100% agree he is yeah and so like i i bet madison feels comfortable which is so important in relationships to go up to peter at any moment

and say peter this is on my mind this is hurting me this is something i need to get off my chest will you talk to me about it? And I bet Peter is happy to talk about it. I think he will look at Madison and go, I'm so glad you told me. But we don't know yet. I don't know. Ladies and gentlemen,

this has been a season of up and downs. It has been a controversial season. It has been a season that very few people are celebrating, but a lot of people are watching. I'm hoping for beauty in the following weeks. Ashley, as we've done every week, we've graded Peter. After this week and your final thoughts on the episode,

episode what's your grade of peter and what's your final thoughts on this episode for this episode i think that peter gets a d a d fair fair okay wait do i'm what's the other one final thoughts in the episode my final thoughts in the episode are about the teaser i need to know we need to talk about the teaser because i think victoria f comes through as a villain because i think she's like Madison is telling him that he's not allowed to sleep with other girls and she gets really sassy about that. Also very interesting part of the teaser is it shows that these three final girls are living together in the same suite. Normally, once you get top four, you're separated completely throughout the entire process except at rose ceremonies. So I think to enhance the drama

and any tension between Madison and Victoria, they've put all the girls together in the one suite. it's an interesting episode it's going to be wild yeah the three women living together ashley you're wrong very very little from the show we'll be excited to watch the next episode let's cheer for some beauty let's cheer for some love let's cheer that all these women in this process um glad that they did it we've said it every year that at the end of all of this all we ask is that the women look at this whole thing and say at least i'm glad i did it And right now, it feels like a few of the women might not be glad they did it. I can't imagine Victoria F comes out of this.

I hope. And I'm rooting for Peter. My grade on Peter would be low this week. But it's also just because I feel like he needs to ask more questions. But my grade of him overall is high. I'm a Peter fan. I like the guy. I really want to see him find somebody from this.

And if he doesn't from this, then I know he's going to be just fine on the other side. And you should probably just go ahead of B now. Let's root for Peter in the coming months. Everybody, wild episode of the Almost Famous Podcast and of The Bachelor. We have breaking news that we need to discuss. A difficult topic to talk about. Friends of this podcast, friends of ours, we've attended the weddings. They've attended my wedding.

They've attended Ashley's wedding. Crystal and Chris have announced public. publicly a split. Ashley, what do we know about it? So they're calling it a separation. They both need time to develop, you know, their own selves more. We don't really have much information. I saw Crystal last week.

I'm going to be honest. I knew that there were rumors flying, but I truly did not know how to approach the situation, the topic when it was at a live podcast and it just wasn't very private. it. And we reached out. We haven't heard anything from them yet. And it's just really, it's really sad. But I'm going to keep hope in thinking that it is a separation. They've not announced a divorce. And if anyone can come back together, these two wild people can do it because, you know,

they've even gone through situations like this before last December. They kind of broke up or they were really on the and they made a decision to stay together and well now a year later it seems like they're not making the decision to stay together but they're also not filing for divorce papers so i wouldn't be surprised to see in a couple months these two rekindle things there isn't a lot of information out there yet but the statement reads this from crystal and chris it hurts announced that at this moment we have mutually decided to separate they sent a statement to bachelor nation.com. This is the official website of Bachelor show producers. Never did we imagine the scenario, but we've come to a point where we both need to work on ourselves. We are best

friends that love and care for each other so deeply. We've appreciated everyone's love and support so far throughout our journey, and we just ask that you please respect our privacy as we navigate through this process. That's all we know at this point. We're rooting for them. They They just recently got married in May, so it's a new relationship. And we all know that relationships aren't easy. And as Ashley can attest, marriage is fun. It's enjoyable, but it is not easy all the time. It's not rainbows and butterflies.

And so, hey, we're sending up our best wishes to Crystal and Chris. And we hope to hear from one of them soon on this podcast to give all of us a little more info when they're ready. When they're ready. Hey, Bachelor Nation, go to Bachelor Live onstage. We'll be coming to an area near you very soon. With that, I've been Ben. I've been Ashley. Bye, guys.

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