The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - The OG and The New Guy

Episode Date: February 1, 2023

It’s the passing of the torch in Bachelor Nation when legendary Bachelor OG Bob Guiney sits down with the latest lead, Zach Shallcross.  Hear the words of wisdom, the warnings, and the laughs that happen when the new guys gets a crash course in what to expect from life as “The Bachelor”!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to therapy for black girls on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is the almost famous podcast with Iheart Radio. Hey, Bob. Hey, how you doing, man? Good. Nice to meet you. Well, nice to meet. Where are you? Nice to meet you, too. Where are you right now? I'm in California right now, seeing some family. Oh, very nice.

Is this where you're from originally? Yeah, originally from Anaheim. So Southern California boy and then just been living in Texas. Come on, everybody else tries to move to California. You move away. Look at you. Yeah, exactly. I'm in Austin right now.

Keeping it weird in Austin? Yeah, you've been? Isn't that what they say? Oh, I've been a ton. Yeah, I used to go to South by Southwest all the time. I loved it. Yeah, yeah. South by Southwest is fun, ACL, all those wild events.

So, Zach, you need to know. They're calling this OG and the new guy. Did you know that? I like it. First and foremost, did you ever even hear of my season of The Bachelor? So my name is Bob Guinea. I was Bachelor Season 4, Trista Rens Reject, who was given his own season of the shell.

Disasterous season, by the way. Did you happen to see that one? no i i haven't watched i haven't watched much of any uh of any of the previous bachelor seasons to be honest but you know i did my research uh on you a little bit i you're the bachelor before jesse yes um yes and jesse's a good friend of mine i paved the road for that man i will tell you so jesse and i have a lot of mutual friends and um oddly enough i mean i really like him but we've never actually hung out in person like we've met i think we met a few times like very briefly And, um, but I think he's doing a great job as the host of the show. I'm glad you guys are friends. It's

it makes it easier, right, to navigate that whole thing. Well, I was going to say, you know, you walked so he could run. So honestly, like he has to think what are we doing. So true. So true, buddy. Uh, no, it was, it was great having Jesse's support. I mean, I got to know him a little bit on The Bachelorette, you know, here and there when we're traveling. But then we really had the chance obviously this season because we're together a lot and yeah you know he always had you know pieces of advice and just always was someone to talk to constantly and and you know he would give me full feedback and bounce ideas and we do that back and forth quite a bit but him and i are pretty similar like with the sports background so half the time was just talking about football

talked to me about your sports background i didn't know that uh i played college football um A smaller sport, Cal Poly, slow. Yeah, I know it well, sure. Yeah, so I played there for five years. It was an offense alignment, so never really got to touch the ball or doing cool things in the end zone, but still love football to death. And him and I just really talked about that a lot. Oh, that's great.

I played college football, too. I played at Michigan State. Much like Jesse, I was a quarterback. Unlike Jesse, I didn't play. But it's nice. that one of us of the three or I guess two of us of the three actually were players.

Now I feel really bad about myself. Let's move on. Let's not talk about sports anymore. All right, so let's talk about first and foremost. You brought it up about that you had met him when you were on The Bachelorette.

So you were on the season, the first season, I believe, where we had two bacheloretts, right? We had Rachel and Gabby. It was the second season? Like I said, you were on the second season where we had two bachelorette with rachel and gabby so i mean the first thing that goes once you're an old bachelor your memory is the first thing that you lose um so

how was that experience and like i mean you you chose to be in the rachel camp correct correct correct i mean that would be an awkward experience i would think it just seems weird to me well it definitely was uh since it was still a first experience altogether you know first time ever being in this world and and it was you know unique but it was all I knew so I didn't know what it would look like with just one bachelorette really but at first it was a little interesting didn't know how to um like I said approach something like this but for my case it was real apparent very early that Rachel and I did have a connection to where it was like okay it almost doesn't matter that there's this two person dynamic but for many it did cause issues.

Oh, I could imagine. Yeah. I mean, I couldn't even, I got out of the limo with Trista. So it was all eyes on, you know, one person and at least you knew this is the person I'm going to, you know, be trying to figure out how to get to know her and everything else. I mean, you had a little different dynamic going on. Yeah. Yeah. Well, with, with Rachel, I mean, it was a few days in to the event, but like, or not the event, the experience. But you're talking about walking out of the limo and just being like shocked and, you know, nervous with all the cameras. and you're at the mansion, and then you have two very beautiful women right in front of you, that is terrified. And you're like, okay, here's my one shot, you know, at least remember my name. And I couldn't even remember my own name. I actually forgot. Totally, you know, shit the bet on that one. Happens, right?

I do that often. So, but it's my age more so. So let me ask you this. Like, when you get out of the limbo, do you do anything? Because I know people do stuff, right? They get out of the car. They try to do something to make themselves memorable. Did you do anything that made you memorable in that moment?

Not at all. Not at all. Actually, you know, leading up to it, I was, you know, trying to think of something creative, something fun, like, or something wild because that's, you know, what people typically do. Right. And I'm someone that just, like, I think I got in my own head. I was so nervous. Like, I saw the cameras and I just, like, freaked out.

And I was like, you know what? I think the best way for me, you know, to give this a fair shot is just be myself and meet the women, you know, as they are, as I am, and not do any kind of, you know, gimmicks or anything like that. And, you know, through a conversation, hopefully that we'll have, you'll get to know me. Yeah. But, I mean, I still went up there. I couldn't tell you what I actually said. It was all a blur. And, I mean, it kept me around at least night one.

Right. Yeah, it kept you a lot longer than that, actually, right? Now, yeah, yeah, quite some time after. But for you, do you remember what your limel entrance was when you were on The Bachelorette? Yeah, you know, I was I was basic, man. I mean, it was actually what I did inside the mansion that sort of went next level. But we, you know, this was so early on when I was on the show that no one really had a gimmick. In fact, I was just telling the producers here tonight that the one guy that got out of the car with something special. special, which was actually quite nice. He had gone to Tiffany's. He had gotten this bracelet engraved with Trista's name on it. And we all looked at him like he was just the devil. I mean, I remember thinking, this guy. Like, where's his head, man? What's he doing? And it was almost, I think,

probably jealousy more than anything that he had thought of something that we didn't. But it was one of those things where, you know, and he kind of became the villain of the season, frankly, because none of us had anything else going in the front door. You know, we were out of us like, hi, I'm Bob. nice to meet you. Now granted, once we got inside, you know, there's a lot of stories about that one. I mean, I was, you know, bringing up my study of martial arts, you know, which I did extensively. I was doing Tybo at the time with Billy Blanks. You know, it's a big deal. It was an infomercial. It was probably outdated. But at the time, it was a spectacular exercise regimen. And I just thought it really made me somebody special. But it was funny. I mean,

we were just a bunch of dudes hanging out. And I think that was what made our show special at the time was the guys got along so great. And we weren't caddy with one another. It was a very different environment at that time. How was it with you? What was your dynamic with the guys? Once you're all in the house, everyone's sort of hanging out.

I mean, did you guys get along? Or was immediately something, you know, a little friction going on or anything like that? I mean, I'd say for the most part, everyone got along. I think everyone recognizes that it's such a crazy experience going on and you're trying to just take it in. you almost look for friends.

Yeah, I think you have to. It's a lifeline. I'm the only one that's freaking out right now. Yeah. Actually, very early on, established a bunch of friends. You know, one in particular was Nate, and Nate was, you know, on that past season. And there was a moment that night when we were taking, you know, the photo you do right before the rose ceremony with everyone and the lead.

Nate and I, as well as maybe another 20. other guys didn't have the opportunity to speak with either of Gabby and Rachel, just because the night just took so long. Wait, so on the first night, you didn't speak to either lady? Nope. So, dude, you just got, you got your rose based on the fact that you are just jacked and a good looking dude. Let's be honest. Nope, I think it has to be the case. It's all bad. It was a pity rose. You got the pity rose? There was a pity rose, and I'm standing outside with Nate, and we just look at each other and we're like, wow, we really just quarantined to just meet a bunch of dudes we're going home it's been a really fun you know four hours yeah it's been a great night

that was nice cool little ride oh my god did he get a rose as well he did okay he did yeah yeah he did and so did a lot of the other guys that we all got pity roses but um everyone you know still in contact still which is really cool yeah it's been some time since then and and they've got my core group of buddies um but everyone's really cool with each other. All right. So let's let's let's skip a little level here. So you go through the whole experience. Next thing you know, they reach out. They're like, all right, Zach, you're going to be the bachelor. Right. So now you have this whole thing that you've been through the whole rigamarole. Um, you know, I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of emotions involved in that.

Uh, they come to you. They're like, we're going to have you be the new guy. Is it excitement that you're hit with? Is it fear? Is it, are you fired up? Are you pissed off? I mean, What are your emotional, you know, feelings on this whole thing? I was feeling a lot of different things. At first, it was, to be honest, confusion. I was like, really? Like, okay, I'm honored, but also. Before you even get there, were you confused about the night you didn't get a rose?

Like, where was that whole, what was your whole emotional thing that set you up for this? So with what had happened on the Bachelorette season of going home after that, like I needed time to just be away, like be with family. process what happened and like and kind of just recover from that whole experience of traveling the world and and you know dating someone with other suitors right right and then it you know not being us like taking that in and then you know being asked weeks maybe a little under a month if I'd be interested in considering being the bachelor I mean it was like okay I'm getting over what you know being on tv like i like and you know having a broken heart like how can i just hop right

back in was my initial thought yeah but it was also you know flattery i was like wow like that's that's that's really cool that they're considering me for this like what a once in a lifetime opportunity so you know after several conversations i was like i i'd be kicking myself if i didn't you know take this shot because i know i'm ready for it but like this is this is totally totally different now. Like, I'm not, yeah. Does that, going on that experience now when you look back at where Rachel and Gabby were, like, you know, if we cut to the end of this whole thing, it's got to give you a different feeling as far as how that whole process goes, right? I mean, you get it now. It's kind of a difficult thing to go through, right? On either side of it.

It's tough on your end, I'm sure, but now that you're the bachelor guy and you're doing the same, like my biggest fear was, oh my God, I'm going to hurt people who don't deserve to be hurt, you know? I mean, and it almost makes you feel weird saying it because you're like, are they going to be hurt? Should they even give a shit about me? But you're, you know, you're in that mindset of I don't want to hurt people, you know? That was a big thing for me because I know what it feels like on that end. And I think that it helps, you know, having that time there to where, you know, being in the bachelor role, like, the whole dynamic is different. Like, you feel a lot of pressure constantly.

And I'll, you know, tack that on with not a lot of, you know, rest. and you know you're you're going a million miles an hour yeah and you know other other people's feelings are at stake like that like like you said it's kind of weird to assume but sometimes you have to because like you have to make your decisions off of everything around you you know first and most important it's like what your heart's telling you but second is like how can you go about this you know the right way if there is a right way yeah um and it's stressful like and you can always second guess and always question but like that was the biggest part for me it's like it's a totally new dynamic hi my name is enya umanzor and i'm drew phillips and we run a podcast called emergency intercom

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All right. So now you're watching the season unfold, right? I am. I am. Yeah. You're watching it by yourself in your room, home alone at night? Or you got like a posse of people? I recommend you do it with friends, buddy, because it sucks if you do it by yourself.

No, well, the first episode, you know, we had a cool, like, premier party, had family and friends come, friends from the show, and producers, and that was a really cool experience. For future episodes, very low-key. I was going to say, by episode five, it's a pretty lonely experience. At least that was my experience, yeah. Yeah, and I think, like, I'm not someone who likes to watch myself on TV anymore, like where I hear my own voice, and I'm like, ooh, I sound like that's how I see it. And then I'm like, okay, I'm watching myself romantically or watching me do something good,

something bad, this and that. And I just feel like I relive it. And I'm like, I'd rather not, you know, deal with, you know, the comments. I like to just watch it. Yeah. Okay, cool. I remember it. That's exactly how it went or, you know, and then move on to the next one.

I'm not a big watch party guy watch with a bunch of people. Yeah. No, it's difficult. I know. I mean, I can only imagine what it's like, I mean, dude, to date myself, and this is horrible. But when I was The Bachelor, there wasn't even social media, right? So I didn't have to deal with it. There were chat rooms, which seemed off-putting and, you know, a lot of gossip mags.

But there wasn't like on the button moment-by-moment dissection of everything I did, right? And I'd watch the show and I'd be like, God, do I really, that's how I kiss? That says crazy. You know, is like, do I always talk like this? am I always hemming and hawing? I mean, I would dissect myself. No one could critique me more than me. I'm my own worst critic.

And even though I know you're from the West Coast, you seem kind of like a Midwest guy to me in a weird way, which I take that as a, I mean that, I should say, as a very big compliment, right? They say Midwestern values, right? They don't say Midwestern values. So you're getting a compliment for me right now, and I hope you can take it as such.

But I think that it's got to be tough because you're watching yourself, you're like, how did I end up here? And, right? And then the whole thing as it's unfolding, I mean, I'm sure you hear the noise, right? There's a lot of people saying things way better about you than you could ever deserve and a lot of people saying just garbage about you that you also don't deserve.

And it's hard, right? Because you hear the good stuff and that kind of goes in one near and out the other. And the bad stuff will stick with you for months. So how have you been dealing with that? The social media stuff is just tragic. Like, how do you, and I don't mean that specific to you. I mean that just in general. I get it all the time too.

I don't even know how I deal with it. But how do you deal with it? Because it's got to be magnified for you. yeah that's a good question because i think it's constantly evolving on how to like tackle that because like just over a year ago you know i was working you know my my tech job in austin going about life nobody you know not someone that's even big onto social media or understands it let alone like i don't even know how to properly like post photos at the time right and now i'm in the world where like everyone's on social media everything you do is critiqued now my

love life is being critiqued and everyone has an opinion and everyone fair like absolutely has an opinion and like seeing the the tough or hurtful comments initially were really like oh my god like how could someone like say that they don't know me this and it did bother me early on um and i don't know it took just maybe time or you know just through you know confidence or or just like seeking advice from family and friends was like okay you know you're never going to appease everyone um also everything in a sense with like short media and this is like with a lot of things in general are pretty short-lived um and you know yeah they're on the next thing right away right i mean constantly yeah if i get in my own head about it then it's just like i'm going to be you know

bummed out and i'm not a guy that's ever bumped out like i'm very positive but then when i'm like, oh, these people are trying to hurt me. I'm like, they've probably got something else going on in their life to where they feel they need hurt. So that's how I rationalize and justify it. And you're a better man than me. I still grind myself over the coals for half the things that are said about me. But, you know, interestingly enough, someone gave me a great piece of advice once,

and they're like, consider the source, right? So, like, you're living your life, and then you have these other people who are commenting on you living your life, right? So, like, how often are you online commenting on someone else living their lives? probably never. Right? So who are these people? And, you know, hey, thank you for, you know, paying attention. But let's be kind, right? We're still human beings. We serve, you know, this is still us putting it out there. And clearly you're someone who's, you know, going through an emotional experience. I mean, what you've done is genuine. People are, I'm going to, I mean, I will tell you

this 20 years after I was the bachelor, they are going to still ask you the question, is it real? You know, is it all scripted? And, you know, I always say, I'm like, well, the moments are scripted, but the emotions are real, you know, so you're still feeling that stuff. So I'm sorry you've got to deal with it. I mean, I didn't have to deal with it. I don't have to do it at the magnitude that you all do. I mean, on the show today, I mean, still, you know, 20 years later, I think I have like a 110,000 followers or something.

It's pretty paltry. But I probably have worked really hard for those 110. I think my mom's probably got like 75,000 ghost accounts. But the point is, you know, it's like you go through this experience and it's tough, man. And you're never going to please everybody. So, I mean, at the end of the day, you know, what are you going to do? But, okay, let's talk about your season now. So you come on as a bachelor.

From what I understand, I may have missed a few finer points of this, but it sounds to me like on the opening night, one young lady walks up and licks your earhole, basically. This gives you, like tongue jacks your earbox is what I've been told. Right out of the window. Yeah. Yeah. Right out of the little bit of a little bit. any words exchanged any like hey how are you or she just walks up and it's boom shakalaka right in the ear drum i i from what i because i'm going to be honest with you i think i would have married her

i'm totally kidding totally kidding well we're watching it and then try and remember that exact moment that i was what i was feeling and like like first off that takes you know cohenas to do that um could you imagine her poor dad he's just like oh look a gorgeous little girl here's she's she comes like here it is like here's a beautiful moment and then just tongue yeah tongue dart his buddies at home are like really jim this is what we're doing this is what little debby's doing the night honestly i think my my facial reaction i think gives it away of just like i try to hide like it like with a laugh like i put my head back i like open my mouth like i'm laughing thinking it's funny but it's actually like disgust and like i'm like why why like you can't

you're like i don't know okay i mean i'm sure it piques your curiosity for a hot second but i mean i don't know you at all but from what i can tell from our initial interview you strike me as one of those guys i mean i can tell you when i was on the show all i could think of was like oh my god i don't want to embarrass my family like i don't want my mom and dad to have to go to the grocery store and be ashamed of me right so if a girl walks up she's you know making out with your ear drum and you're like oh yeah this is first impression rose all the way i mean you're parents would be so disappointed, right? So I get it. I mean, but you set her home. You fast tracked her to the limo from what I gather. No, that was not a fast track to the limo, no. I did

not give her a rose that night, but there was another instance of a, there was one instance of I'm a fast track at the limo, but someone else, not for ear-looking. What was, tell me about it. What was the fast track? So, you know, on night one, you know, had the opportunity to speak with one of the women in the house and we had a conversation and you know went pretty well um and she decides to pull me again for another conversation i think that there were some feelings of uh jealousy because she saw that um i had kissed other women and she wasn't one of them and so she wanted to pull me to get her kiss and she pulls me aside and we're doing like these like dances or something and she pulls me in like for a hug i'm going in for hug and she goes in

and pulls me in and making a kiss happen um and that did kind of rub me the wrong way um like you can't force anything like you can't force it if it's not there and you know you know had that you know tough decision and and talking with her saying like hey we can't force that like what like if it's not here it's not here and i don't want to waste your time in the moment you did like you kind of like you sort of pulled back and like this is not happening or well so it happens and I'm like processing like like did that kiss just happened like that like is that how it really went and I remember talking to Jesse about it actually funny enough because he asked he's like dude like what you know what was with that that kiss it didn't look like you really wanted to and

I was like you know what I I respect you know her pulling me again because you know that that takes guts and most people don't you know or some people only get you know one time and some don't get any time on night one and he's like what do you want to do and i think i think it's best to send her home like i don't want you know to lie to her or or hold her here if there isn't a connection and there clearly wasn't that spark when we guessed so that was uh that was interesting you never know what you're going to you're going to get on night one like anything like a ear look Oh, gosh. Random kiss,

doing the gritty, all that stuff. The gritty is a good, that's a tough dance. I mean, if they perfected, I believe they should get fast-tracked the night too.

That's just me. But I'm not a great dancer, and so I value things and others that I don't possess, you know? Right. I can't judge it. Like,

who am I gritty on TV and it looks absolutely terrible, so I can't judge. Someone pulls it off in an evening gown. Moving on. Yeah. Next round. Yeah.

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Did you ever watch the show previous to being on it? Did you know the whole drill? I probably watched about a handful of episodes before. But my mom and my two younger sisters are diehard fans of the show. So, you know, growing up, you know, I'd walk downstairs, see them watching the show. And of course, it would just have my attention drawn in to watch it. But, you know, not consecutively by any means. But, you know, I had a rough idea of what to expect.

But, you know, my sisters obviously were like, you know, giving me as many pointers as they could. What were some of their pointers? Anything that's sticking out right now that you listened to or any that you didn't and you wish you would have? Because obviously they know how this thing goes. Yeah, so actually funny enough, my sister, she told me right before, I don't remember if it was before Bachelorette or Bachelor, but she said, don't cry. And I'm an emotional guy.

Like, by nature, I'm someone that wears my heart of my sleeve. It's been encouraged in my house to, like, show your emotion. like good or bad um you know not worth holding in and she said don't cry and i was like okay like i won't yeah and that's quick to a sizzle reel if you cry man we all know that i know and just yeah as jesse said this is the most emotional season for the bachelor so far so i'll just leave it at that so you didn't listen to her buddy it's impossible it's impossible i you know i got to be honest for ben higgins it was also impossible that dude cries more than anybody ever saying but he is an emotional and lovely man, and I think that you'll probably have that same kind of staying

power. I didn't cry. I didn't cry, and you didn't know who the hell I was. So there you go. Not once? I thought I've cried probably once in my life. No, I cry a ton. You kidding me? I am the most emotional disaster. Back then, though, it didn't fit the mold. So you got to remember when I did the show, it was a very, you know, we didn't film stuff that didn't fit the mold of what we were trying to present. So I could have been bawling like a baby, and they'd be like, All right, just give them some time. Let's dry them off, get him back in there and make them look stoic. You know, so it wasn't as emotionally raw.

Reality television wasn't as real back then. Let's just put it that way. Didn't feel that way anyway. Yeah, it didn't feel that way. So one thing that I dealt with from being The Bachelor that I think is probably something that is universal, regardless of social media or not, I'll never forget it. First time I walk into my hometown supermarket, I'm with my mom.

I was just telling this story earlier that, you know, my mom would go to the, still, 20 years later, she'll go to the chicken section and people like, according to my mom anyway, aren't you Bachelor Pop's mom? And my mom's like, I am. It just, oh, everyone drives me crazy bringing it up. Yeah, I can be in the same supermarket and no one speaks to me. So the hardest adjustment, though, was seeing your personal life all over the tabloids, right? Like all over us, weekly, People magazine, Star, National Enquirer, whatever it is, social media,

I'm sure. How has that been for you? Like, how has that adjustment been for you to all of a sudden go from being, you know, a guy that's working hard? I mean, you know, you're an athlete. So the mindset of, you know, keep your head down, work hard and good things will happen, right? We all heard those from our coaches over the years. And now all of a sudden, you know, your entire personal life and every decision you make is being dissected by body relationship experts and, you know, all this kind of crap. I mean, how has that been for you as an individual and how are you handling it. Yeah, that's a good question. It is interesting, you know, with life now outside of the show, you know, similar to, you know, your story with your mom at the grocery store.

Like, you know, going to most places, you know, being recognized is a weird feeling because I'm kind of a private person by nature. And I, like, I think it's really cool when people like come support or want to get a photo with me but it's just still such a crazy concept that people want to do that in the first place or people want to write an article about what clothes I wore on my last Instagram post or like it goes back to the opinions thing it's like okay everyone's going to have an opinion i get that and and it's up to me like if i want to read those comments or not but like for me i i welcome you know everyone with with open arms you know when I meet people out and about and, you know, whether it's at the gym or at the grocery store or

this and that and just, I don't know, just take the time to say hi or get to know them. Because it is a cool opportunity because I know like when I, you know, growing up would like run into someone that I had seen on TV and I would like love to meet them and get a picture with them and, you know, it would be the biggest gut punch if they said no. Oh, sure. Yeah, you always love it if there's someone who you hope that you think they are, right? Oh, yeah. You meet Tom Hanks. You wanted to be the greatest guy

you've ever met in your life because he seems like he is, you know? It would be such a bummer if he wasn't, you know? But that's a lot of pressure on those guys, too. I met Bill Murray in the airport today, and Bill Murray was amazing. I mean, he was so nice. He did.

Oh, yeah. Oh, that's pretty cool. And it was really cool. And I was thankful because, you know, he had no clue who the hell I was, nor should he. But I definitely knew who he was, and it was nice that he gave me about 30 seconds of his time, you know? And that's all it takes, right?

It's not that hard to be kind. to people it's pretty easy really you're never that busy back to that it's just being kind you know just expect that you know not everyone has that out you know outlook on life but as long as you keep that yourself like you'll be good that's how i see yeah so have you ever heard the term like grease in the wheel like getting ready for something you yeah so first night of the bachelor you're getting ready to you know all the limos to pull up what did you do to grease the wheel what did you do to like get yourself ready anything specific um there was a lot of pacing Yeah. Any beverage choices that maybe helped you get to the right place?

Quite a few. I had a few beverages. Any that are Mexican in origin, perhaps like tequila or anything like that? Absolutely. Maybe two or three, if we're honest. And then, you know, got to have some, you know, artificial caffeine in there somewhere. Oh, sure. Because it's a late night. It is a late night. And a lot of blasting of just like the most ridiculous music you can to just like get the nerves out some way, you know, and back to, it's tequila. It's always tequila, buddy. That's the only way to go.

It's a long round about answer saying it's tequila. Yeah, I like it. I like the way you got there, though. You took a long road. I appreciate it. So, okay, one of the things that we had back in the day when I did the show was a deliberation room. Right? So they had all the women that were there on that night of the cocktail party or whatever we call it.

They had all of their photos on like a wall, like a viewing wall. And I would go in and I would deliberate. And I would just look at these photos as if to ponder who I was going to give a rose to because they were all right there on the cusp. And I remember looking at all these. And I would take time. I'd look at each one. Some of them I'd grab the frame and I'd stare at it for a minute and I put it back.

do they still do that or they skip that part of it because it was it was really interesting time for at the time chris harrison and i had to walk in there and just me have me stare at a blank wall yeah something just like that um because obviously on night one like there's no way you can remember everyone's names no with the faith and like you have so many conversations and you're trying to you know calm your own nerves and you need to go and just breathe in another room and just you know figure it out for a lack of better term yeah so yeah there would be several times without like throughout the night going to a room and looking at the little you know cards with the name and you know sometimes it would just be the easiest like like you just follow your

gut on that and you're like yep yeah slam down absolutely yeah well second with this person. Yep, I don't know what it is. I don't know why, but yes. And then there's some that, you know, you have to deliberate a little bit more on and figure out. But that was something new that I didn't know how, like, you do it. Because I was fully prepared to come in and be like, all right, I'm remembering all the names. We're doing it. That's a little false because there's no shot I would ever be able to actually. Oh, come on Zach. I'm coming in with that. I'm a competitive guy, so I got to tell you, on my first night's rose ceremony, I had, I believe it was 28 or 30 ladies there.

And I had found out that Alex Michelle, out of the 15 women that he got to keep on the first night, he had remembered 12 names. So my goal was to remember all 15. So I created this song in my head. And I got through it. I got through all 15. However, what a lot of people don't know, a little sidebar, is I was nervous, right? So I was holding the rose. Let me see if I can hold.

I was holding the rose like this, right? So I have the rose. And I was like, Debbie, right? and then the next one, Jenny, or, you know, I'm just using random names, of course, to protect the innocent. And I remember the next one, I go to say the name,

and the rose, the top of the rose falls off. And no one knows what to do. And I think, oh my God, this is a real show, so I can't, it's reality television. I can't waver. So I hold, and I'm like, Rhonda. And Rhonda comes up, I'm like, Rhonda, will you accept this stem?

And she takes it, I think it's going to be great television and they make me reshoot it. And I was so bummed. Point is, though, I got all 15. Do you remember how many of the ladies on the first night you remembered all their names? They, I'll just say this. They didn't let me test that theory.

Okay. So you had to be like this. If I'm not mistaken, let me try and reenact this and tell me if this is accurate. You'd get through like five names and you'd be like, I'm sorry, ladies, I need a moment. And you'd step outside.

They'd be like, Debbie, Rhonda, Jenny, Brenda. Camille. Is that not how they did it? No, no, no. Well, not as dramatic as that. It would be, you know, okay. I'll use your names. It would be like, okay, yeah, Rhonda.

What are you saying? The Stroves, yes, okay. And then it would be a pause. And then I would, like, look to one of the, like, directors, and I would just give a nod. And he'd nod back. And then I'd be like, and then just mysteriously walk off. Oh, there was no explanation.

no oh wow that's even worse because the big is when i was on the bachelorette yeah they didn't do any explanation either we were like why are the girls keep going back to the the back room like what's going on or like are they are they panicking are they freaking out and then i later learned that's what it was for it took away the drama factor i brought some drama to that franchise back then i'd be like ladies i just can't but then i'd be like but no i can because i got all 15 right here in my bean i got through it oh my gosh all right so one last question no thank you buddy It was the one thing I had going for me. I had a musical memory.

So, all right, let's ask you this. So now that you're engaged, I'm sorry, what? I'm sorry, what was your name? I think the internet is coming out. All right. Well, you know what? I'm sorry.

I'm getting some bad intel. So at the end of the day, we're so happy about the marriage coming up and we're excited to be invited to the nuptials. Now, I'm excited for you, man. You seem like a very nice guy. And I think that at the end of the day, you got to remember. I have this idea of the way the show works, especially when I was on it.

I used to say, you know, you could have a monkey up here handing out flowers and everyone's going to cry because it's a social science experiment. It's nothing to do with the guy. So I think about that all the time. I'm always like, you know, and people are like, oh, no, that's humble pie, Bob. I'm like, no, it's really sincere. It has nothing to do with the guy. But I think in your case, it kind of does. Because you seem like that guy, man. You're a very nice guy. And I have a feeling that you probably have a lot of ladies vying for your attention and you were raised right and man, I'm just excited for you. I hope it all works out the way you want it to and you find some happiness at the end of this thing because it's a tough road to hoe. People don't

get it. They all think, oh, what a cry me a river. You know, handed out flowers of 30 girls and made out with them. Big deal. But it is tough. You go through a lot to get there. So I hope you guys find happiness and I wish you the best. And thanks for being part of our show. I mean, it's OG to the new guy, man. This is a big transition. I was 20 years ago. It's still on the air. This is bananas. Wow. Well, for a stop, thank you, Bob. I appreciate the kind of words. And, you know, like what you're saying, it is wild and not a lot of people understand it. You know, fortunately, you do. You're someone that it does. And it's crazy to know that there are people that do support, you know, through all the crazy social media and whatnot. But I appreciate being on this

podcast, the OG and the new guy. That's pretty cool. Hey, we just named this tonight, buddy. We're excited. We're excited. Well, I wish you the best. I mean, you know, at the end of the day, you got to remember, I mean, you know, just get through it with your confidence intact. Don't let anybody beat you up. I mean, I know it's, it's not easy, right? You're an easy target, dude. I mean, you know, you're out there. You're a nice person putting your heart on the line like you say you wear your emotions on your sleeve. So you're going to get some grief for it. But at the end of the day, man, your happiness 20 years from now, take it from me. That's what matters the most. So it's going to be a great experience.

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