The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - The Shelf Life of a Break-Up with Kaitlyn Bristowe

Episode Date: May 3, 2024

Kaitlyn Bristowe is back with Ben and Ashley for an honest and raw conversation. Kaitlyn and Ben hold nothing back when discussing Jason Tartick’s appearance on Chris Harrison’s podcast, and they each open up about feelings that could change their friendship forever.  We hear how Kaitlyn is processing her break-up with Jason, and how she’s moved on from the end of her relationship with Shawn Booth. Ben and Ashley dig deep with Kaitlyn as she grieves friendships and past loves, while looking toward the future. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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you know, somebody at the top of my... I don't even think about it right now. I can even name my friends. Someone on your wedding guest list and mine, and, you know, I had, you know, well, you had 400 people at your wedding, so I'm not sure what that says, but I get my friends to my friends, and yes, she's here. she's wonderful she's one of our favorites it's kately bristow wow that was so nice i didn't know you felt that way about me ben i like i feel like i always like poke your buttons or like press your buttons

oh you do oh you do oh you made me so mad sometimes i know i make myself mad sometimes goodness gracious i try so hard to love you and sometimes it's really hard oh my gosh you guys are so silly i'm it's hard i'm hard to love apparently. I'm learning that the hard way, okay? Which is funny because on your season of The Bachelorette, I was the one that told you that I felt unlovable

and I meant it and it has been a marker on my life ever since then. Well, the tables have turned, my friend, you're now married and I am not and I feel unlovable. Yeah, I just found a nice enough girl. She's sweetheart. She's so nice.

Caitlin, we're here for many reasons today. One, we just want to catch up with you and hear about your life. And you're always up to incredible stuff. I mean, I think we're both in awe of what you've made and done from this world. But also because publicly you've hated me for the last like two months, I guess, and I never knew about it. And then all of a sudden I did.

And we had to talk about it on air. But also, neither did anyone else. And now you're just creating public drama because only people happen. Yeah, only people that look at Bachelor Nation, what is it, Bachelor Nation gossip? Scoop, I think. Scoop would know about this. But it's okay, because we do want you guys to chat about this hilarity. I do feel like Bachelor Nation Scoop or like those kinds of pages, I don't know why, but they're following like hates me to my core.

And it's so tough because anytime they post something, obviously I want to partake in my own abuse and shop for pain and read all of them. the comments. And so I literally, I'm just like, holy crap, people hate me. But it's so bizarre. But I was like, okay, well, you start. What is your side of the story, Ben? Okay. So here's my side of the story. So here's a little background on how we got here today. And it's not going to be where we sit for the whole show. It's not that important. And it really isn't. It's more funny. And I do want to celebrate Caitlin and everything she's up to. But here's what happened. Here's my perspective. We had a trip to Monterey, California, a few months ago

that Ashley wasn't able to attend. Chris Harrison was there with Lauren Zima. Wells was there because he lives there with his brother. Dean and Kalin were there. Jason was there as an invitee. Ashley can attest to this. Jason was invited for many reasons. We don't always know who's going to be there, though.

Like we don't always have control of the invite list. We just ask for people that we like. I obviously am friends with Jason. That's not a secret. Yeah. It doesn't need to be a secret. But we have kind of during these times, like, we all sit in on each other's shows. We pound out a bunch of shows at one time because we're all in one space.

So this evening that we're talking about, I was on a show, Chris Harrison's show, that he co-hosts with Lauren Zima. And Jason was the guest. And so I was a part of this interview. Well, supposedly this interview went sideways at some point. I'll be honest. This was after dinner. I couldn't tell you two things of what I said until I had to re-listen to it. But pretty much, I remember sitting in that room being like, here's a deal. I'm friends with Jason. I'm friends with Caitlin. I know Caitlin very well. My job here is to get however Jason's feeling out of him and then sit in that and never pick

sides. There's no sides to choose here. I don't know what side to choose. So that interview comes out and Bacheloration Scoop does this thing where they show that Caitlin is very upset with somebody from the franchise. And I immediately text Ashley, Ashley, did I not, and say, Caitlin's not mad at us, right? Like, I don't know why she would be, but I just had this feeling that she's mad at me. Yeah, I know. I was like, I saw her like a week and a half ago. I don't think it's us. I think she would have texted me directly. I would hope she would text me directly. Like, I hope she would be like, hey, Ben, you're a jerk. Like, why would you do this to me? On air. publicly. And so I was like, she can't be mad at me. Well, then all of a sudden, the rumors

start, I get started needing these messages that like, why, like, Caitlin's so mad at you. And some of them were like, how could you do this to Caitlin? And I was like, I don't know what I did to Caitlin. So I had to re-listen. I was like, I didn't really do anything to Caitlin. And I was like very balanced here. So I had to text Caitlin. And I was like, Caitlin, if I hurt you, I am so sorry. The last thing I want to do in my life is hurt Caitlin Bristow. Caitlin Bristow and I can talk about her all day has a huge impact on who I am as a person today and a part of my story. I don't want to hurt Caitlin and she said I didn't hurt her. And so then we're like, well, I don't know what's happening here.

So that's when I'll transition to you, Caitlin, is all these rumors start swirling. You're upset about an interview that was done. You felt hurt by it, which is fair. And I don't want to take that away from you. But why were people associating that with being upset with me? Okay. So I think everyone by this point knows that I wear all feelings on my sleeve and I just like react with emotion and my feelings get hurt very easily. And I think that's like a big misunderstanding about me. People would always say like what is one thing people wouldn't know about you. I think people think I'm like really tough and like rough around the edges and like shit doesn't bother me. But I actually am like really sensitive. And. And. I've been going through like in the last, I would say year, I feel like I'm somehow more sensitive than I ever have been. And so what hurt me, it wasn't you at all. You got looped into the group because I was emotional and I was hurt by other things and you just happened to be there. So I should have not said these three men, I'm so angry, blah, blah, blah. I should have said two of the men were pissing me off and I should have left you out of it. But it was just, I I was in this, I don't know, dark place and we all know how like the doom scrolling goes

and how your emotions can just like hit like rock bottom sometimes scrolling and you start thinking like what I was thinking is how is this breakup still having this shelf life? And then I heard Chris Harrison say like, are you surprised at how long this breakup is having a shelf life? And I'm like, well, it's because we all keep talking about it. And like the breakup with Sean is even still having shelf life. sometimes like that's kind of the nature of a bachelor relationship um so i understand that it was more just like um i think i think jason was like outwardly so hurt and i was inwardly really hurting

um and he was allowed to have his emotions and process that however he likes so if he needs to talk about it go on podcast do whatever i was like feeling like okay i hurt him but like internally i'm really hurting and it felt like i have gone through historically so much drama so much drama with chris harrison it just felt like i felt like we're finally in a good place again um he's somebody that like i looked up to as a mentor in my life as a father figure as a friend and we had been through so much through like the hosting stuff and like we kind of got back on the same page and of course i was at his wedding and i love loren so much and i felt like we were back in this place where i i don't know i didn't expect like him to be like poking for you know

Jason to come on and talk and it just felt like I speak to Jason every once in a while because of dogs and he's like, you know, I talk to Chris Harrison every day and he's really been there for me. And it kind of felt like I'm still grieving this friendship and relationship with Chris that I always thought I had. And I just get so emotional over things. And I think I just take it to social media sometimes when I shouldn't. And I hate when people think I do that for attention because I actually hate the attention that comes from it because I get anxiety. And And then I go, why did I do that? Why did I do that? But I'm just such an open book at all times. And, you know, you just never know what mood I'm going to be in. I'm either soft,

spicy, or mad. And that day I was angry. And I felt like I was just hurting. I was just hurting. I get where you're hurting. I know Chris loves you a lot. And I know he respects you, probably very similarly to how he feels about me. I'm sure he's been really up. upset with me at times, but also finds me as a trusted, you know, partner at some level within this wild franchise. And so my question there is, if you hate the attention, why do you do it? I don't have an answer for that. I don't like the attention of trying to be a victim or, you know, like being on the Reddit. or whatever the, where the negative people like to hate on me, I don't like that attention.

I like, I clearly like anyone who goes on a television show likes attention to some degree. Of course I like attention to some degree. I like getting attention on my podcast. I like getting attention on my social media in a positive light. Sometimes it's just I can't be perfect and I can't nail my emotions every time and how I react to things. And I'm kind of just like a hot mess at times. and that comes across and then I get the attention that I don't like and then I always learn

from it because anytime I do something that backfires on me, it's an opportunity for me to go, okay, let's not do that again or let's learn from it. And I feel like I've just been on this freaking healing journey of like who I actually am and what I want. And it's been like such a roller coaster and to navigate it all on social media because I'm such an open person, it gets so confusing. Like I think I confuse myself. I think I confuse people who. follow me but um i'm just i just am who i am and it's it's frustrating for myself sometimes i think when it comes to social media when like we vent about anything it we like the fact that we get support and like you get people relating to you where it's like oh my gosh i've been there

like and then you feel better about your whatever you're vending about i mean vulnerability creates connection. Community creates connection. Sometimes when I'm feeling really low and I talk about my mental health, I'm doing it for the attention of that it sounds, that sounds negative, but really I'm doing it for like a sense of community. Something that I love so much is the following that I've built. I feel like I have like gained their trust. I feel like they're a digital family. I feel like I can share things. It's when it gets outside of my like, you know, supportive community that the noise gets really loud and negative. But I just, I love the majority of people who follow me.

And I feel like, again, I've just built this loyalty and share so much with everybody. The part that I think is how this all comes full circle, really, is you have built a community of people since your time as a bachelorette that loves you because you are life to them. You aren't like always saying the right thing, right? You aren't always like approaching things in the perfect way. And then sometimes you absolutely like are. And like then you're learning from your mistakes and you're admitting to learning from your mistakes. The roller coaster of life that all of us experience, that all of us know well, that some of us hide from the public, you aren't hiding, which will bring about like criticism. Because if somebody just sees this headline that

says, hey, this is what happened in this moment. Like, Caitlin, like, is really mad at Ben. And they're like, wait, what's happening here? I thought they were cool. Like, I thought everything was good. And they are not following you directly. They're not able to see that, like, this is the roller coaster of life that Caitlin is able to show to her followers at all times. Then there's criticism. But if people are engaged with you day to day, they'll know how you're feeling and they'll know where you're going and they'll know where you're at. And I think that's a beautiful thing that you've done, but not always easy. And here's where my question comes again, is how do you keep up with that? Like, how do you keep that pace up where you're always keeping your followers engaged

with where you're at emotionally? I can't keep up. I honestly feel like, and I truly don't even think people really do know how I'm feeling day to day because I do share, like, I think on social media, I don't know if I could find one person that doesn't just share what they want people to see. So people are putting out what they want you to see. I try and put out things that like I'm like, whoops, I messed up, whoops, I'm emotional. I have mental health issues. I have depression.

I have anxiety. I have really high highs. I have really low lows. And I try and not just put out what I want people to see all the time, but still to some degree I do. So it is hard to keep up with this thing that like is almost like my own little reality show that people tune into. because sometimes I'm like,

I don't know if I want to share that today or if I do share something that can cause assumptions towards somebody else or they can think I'm mad about this. I posted song lyrics to something once and people are like, ooh, that's a dig it Jason. And I'm like, it actually wasn't.

But I guess you wouldn't know that because you don't know the other situation I'm in because now I'm trying to keep like, if I go on dates or if I'm seeing somebody like I want to keep it so sacred. I don't want to hide as in like I'm not ever going to dinner with them or I'm not going to go a movie or whatever, but I want, I don't want to like be teasing my audience that I have like

built trust with. I want to like protect my relationship and I want to introduce. It's almost like they're my kids. Like I want to introduce them when I feel ready, when I know that this actually could be the person because I feel like, you know, we all get so excited in my last relationship. We got so excited to put it out there. And we got attention from that. And I think we both really liked that attention and then we were like okay look people are rooting for us this is fun kind of what you were saying ashley where like you find this sense of like support a support system online and then you get lost in it and i'm i'm really trying to figure out what it is that um that i want to share that i want to keep sacred and that i that i want to like i don't know

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This is the best part about, and if Caitlin had for me, would like to speak with me and be the controller of the arena. I would love that to happen. I think what I would like people to know about Caitlin and I's relationship. This is how I would explain it.

My relationship. Oh, son of a biscuit. Ashley, stay quiet. The and Caitlin, you can correct this. Since the first time we've met, there is always

been this admiration towards you from me and this confusion from me towards you. Like I think we're very different humans and we see the world very differently. But there's a an intersection there that has always been this kind of beautiful like intersection and this beautiful moment of like, but like it's a safe place. It's a safe, it's a safe space. But yeah, we're going to battle. We're going to be confused. But we're also just going to like have a really good time because the world for as different as we see it. We also like enjoy the same similar things. We enjoy people. We do enjoy the attention. We enjoy authenticity. And we never really know what we're feeling at any moment. And it can always go sideways quickly. Yes. And I think that's where throughout the last, I don't mean how many

years since we've done the Bachelorette together? Eight, nine, nine years. Like I think it's always been the way that like we've stayed at least reasonably close compared to most. you know past contestants and leads is because there always has been that understanding right like i was the lead after you like that's sometimes a very awkward dynamic and i and i think i would want everybody to know that our relationship for as like even if these things these stories swirl the thing that i never want people to do and what hurt me the most was that like anybody would ever think that i lost any type of care for katelyn bristow i've always respected you i've always cared about you. I always want what's best for you. And I would always believe that you would want

the same for me. And that's where this whole thing got really hurtful for me personally. I totally understand that. Like I wish I could take that moment back because you did get looped in and that is totally on me. And I told you when we were texting back and forth, I'm just like, oh my gosh, no, it was not you. I was hurting in the moment. We all know how I do this sometimes and I am so deeply sorry for even involving you in that because I shouldn't have involved anyway. I should have just kept it to myself and processed it alone or with my therapist, which I did later. And I did delete it because I was like, Caitlin, just stop. And I deleted it. But of course there's screenshots. But I am, I am sorry that you got looped into that because I,

like you said, we've always had this great, healthy relationship over nine years. Like during the show, after the show, when you became the lead, like, I feel like we've always been nothing but supportive of one another and super transparent and some people just see this, like, you know, on a Zoom or a podcast or on social media, but we do have a friendship outside of all of that. And I feel like, I feel like what I really know about us is we can be totally transparent, sorry, transparent and authentic with each other, even if it's like, Caitlin, what the fuck you're doing? And I'm like, yeah, that was stupid. I'm sorry. So that was stupid and I'm sorry.

And if you were mad at me, like, I would just hope you would call me. Now, to transition this whole conversation, this started, I think, literally. And what people might not know is it happened in the fantasy suite during your season of The Bachelorette. No, no, no, no. I won't go as far as you work. Is this where I'm supposed to take over with that new narrative? No, no, no. You won't.

Not yet. You're close. I won't go as far as you'll go. We had a discussion prior. But what I will say is there was a moment and I knew I was going home. Like it was not a, it was not a shock to me. I was sad about it. There was confusion about it.

There was like, hey, this whole thing's been awesome. But I knew it was going home because I asked you directly, what in the world's happening here? And you're like, a lot. Like, Sean and Nick are fighting every day. They have not stopped fighting. I was like, yeah, it's why I've been locked in a hotel room. for a week. Like, they won't stop fighting so I can't even come out and hang out. Like,

they've been everywhere. And I was like, what, what, like, where are your feelings at towards this? Like, how's this thing going to end? And you're like, I don't know, but I have to figure it out. But like, pretty much I think what you said was between those two. Like, I've got to figure that out. And I think you knew. I don't think there was like a question mark on like who's right for me. It's like, I got to figure that whole thing out. And it was very obvious to me that I'm going home. Um, which is fine. I get it. Totally cool. Like, I had a good time. We had a lot of fun.

I knew I was going to be friends with you for a long time. Or at least I hope that. Do you, like, do you remember it the same way? I have, like, a very sweet, funny, and amazing memory of our fantasy suite because it was like, I remember sitting by the fire and asking you, like, straight up, like, like Sean or Nick and you're like wow um okay so it's not me it's like like who are you thinking

like Sean or neck and you're like oh okay and then I was like well no no no no no because it was we had a great time but it was funny because um I I remember saying that and being like that was so stupid Caitlin because it was more like um that was like producer manipulation in my brain of like I got to ask Ben what the real side is because Ben's honest and he's going to tell me the truth of what is really going on behind the scenes but it came across as like Ben or not Ben, Sean or Nick and you're kind of like oh okay. Yeah. Let's finish this bottle of whiskey and see what happens. We did drink a lot of whiskey. I will tell you after our fantasy suite, I actually liked you more than before.

after our fantasy suite. And I think you know this by now, debated. I wanted to send Nick home over you because at the end of the day, I knew I was picking Sean and I wanted you to come along further, but they wanted you to be the bachelor. So that's when I'm supposed to come into this conversation and say that you basically tell Jared the same thing. And you and Jared talk about this every time you see each other.

And it's always a good laugh that basically Nick, Ben, and Jared were all interchangeable in your top four because you were just so solid. Sean, and you kind of like, you kind of enjoyed all three of their company equally. I loved you guys all so much in like, not in similar ways, very different, but it was, it was just like my season was the Nick and Sean show. And it's so funny because still to this day, like talk about shelf life, I'm still to this day talking about those two on podcasts and interviews and situations because I. I mean, it is such a pivotal moment in your life and a big part of your life and where you are at today. And it's so funny because you and Nick are so relevant still. I mean, it's crazy.

It's actually crazy. And then, you know, I heard Sean say something on a podcast where he was like, yeah, well, clearly it wasn't like a real relationship or real love. That was the one with Lauren. That was the interview with Lauren where I was like, whoa. Hey. Wait, who said this? Sean and Lauren did a podcast together on Sean's podcast. Remember when I was like, Ashley, what was two years of my life then?

Both of them were kind of in agreeance. I was like, you can't say that. I was so sad. My feelings were so hurt. Were you the same, Ben? I was like, that was so real to me. That was like one of the most in love I've ever been in my whole life and I thought I was going to marry him and it was so real to me.

So to hear him be like, it obviously wasn't real. I was like, that was including the season and our. time together. That's four years. Yeah, I was offended for both of you. Yeah. And it wasn't true. I could just tell that that was a lie, especially from Sean's side. Sorry, Ben.

Come on, man. My biggest fear in life, like, my biggest fear is from, like, still rocks me from my parents' divorce. I thought they had the most beautiful relationship. They were so close. But I feel like my dad fell out of love with my mom and they got divorce. My biggest fear always is that someone's

going to be so in love with me. And then they're going to fall out of love with me. And I felt like that's what happened with Sean. And then to hear him validate everything, I was like, eight years later, nine years and still like, ow, it's still hurts. It was because they are very real to us. I mean, they're, yeah, like, there's, I don't see that relationship as this like, you know, offset of my life. This was a relationship that affected me greatly. And then also led me to my wife. It let me see, hey, where did we not work here in this past relationship? that led me to my wife today and that's beautiful and good

and all works out in the end but even to hear that that piece of my story was not impactful for somebody else who was also very involved was hurtful. It did sadden me. It did confuse me a lot. It made me go back to the hey Caitlin

I don't know what you think of this but I feel unlovable like that it brought me back to that moment. Did you guys text after that podcast came out? I never listened to it. no no no you and ben no no you and ben be like hey our exes got together and said that they really didn't love us they can say what they want at this point in my opinion it's like i know what it was for me and that's all that matters like that really is all that matters i know what it meant to

me and if if if somebody's like hey i did this for two and a half years and it didn't mean that to me then i'm like well that's you can figure that one out like i don't know what to say yeah well it's kind of like that same thing of where I feel something so much in the moment where my feelings were so hurt. And then once you think about it and process it, I'm like, well, if that was his experience, like, I can't change what he felt or what his experience was. And I don't know if that's true what they're saying. You know, they could just be like, oh, yeah, it wasn't real because it didn't work out or whatever. But I just have to be like, well, we both had different experiences there. And like you said, it led you to your wife. And imagine,

imagine who this is going to lead me to. I've got all the practice in the world. I've learned so many lessons. I feel like that next one, I'm like, third time's a charm. That's right. Well, I mean, that is a question. I don't know how to phrase this.

Caitlin, do you feel like at this point in your life you have experienced authentically true love? Yes. 1,000%. Yes. I think sometimes, this is so crazy. I'm always so embarrassed to say this out loud

and anyone who listens to my podcast knows this story. But like I think I truly experienced true love before I even went on the show. I think my relationship before going on that show was like the right person wrong timing. Like I still to this day will always say like he was the one that got away.

And I had similar, similar feelings to him with Sean. and then yeah so I think I did and like I think with Jason it was so much of like you know when you date somebody for so long and all of their qualities that made you hurt so badly and then the next person they are the opposite of that so you're like this must be what is right for me because they're the opposite of this person I feel like that's what I experienced with Jason where he was opposite of Sean in so many ways so I thought like oh I broke the cycle oh I'm going and I'm doing something that this is going to work out.

And then, you know, relationships are hard, man. Relationships are so hard. And especially when there's a third person involved, aka the internet, and that's a lot of, you know, voices. And it's just relationships are so challenging. And I don't know if it's just me or if it's all relationships, but I find them so hard.

Do you keep tabs on the guy from before? No. Okay. See, this is another difference. I can't. He is totally private. He, um, retired from playing. He was the one then. He was the one that got away. If he's totally private and like off the radar, gosh, dang it. He would have been perfect. We got to have some friend follow him. Oh my God. I'm all the way turned on by him still because he's private on Instagram. Like he retired from hockey. He's in like the finance world. He's private. His family's private. I like can't creep him at all, which is so wonderful, because imagine if I could. But he's married with three kids. So let me he is married with three kids. Oh, because we do know his status. I'm not trying to like go get him

back by any way. Okay. Good for her. Yes. But it's, I still found that the most challenging breakup I've ever been through in my life. Now with Sean, we broke up and he kind of went under the radar. He, you know, worked out at his gym and he did his own thing and he didn't really date in the public and I didn't really have to even though we were living in the same city like I kind of just moved on really quickly and kind of didn't have to see anything and then now I'm like oh my gosh everything's so in my face because I'm trying to like say private with like anyone I date but Jason's like oh hey why don't you post the same video with the same song at the same time as me let's get people talking about us and I'm like ah I've never had to deal with this before and it's just

so in my face and even though like it's it was my decision and um and i have respect for him it's just still like damn he liked those numbers and how do you know that he has this strategy going on where they post the same time because people send me shit i'm like i'm i'm i'm the best at um i really i really don't go looking at x's things now if my first one was open and not private i probably would but i would like i just don't like to see things so when any anything shows up on my for you page or on TikTok. I just immediately click not for me or mute or not interested in this. So I like try to not see it because I just don't want to overthink it or be

hurt or overreact. And so then people just say, they're like, did you see this? Do you see what this is happening? Did you see this? Do you see this picture? Did you see what was on du moi? And I'm like, no, I didn't and I don't want to. So thanks for bringing it to my attention. Mom. My name is Ed. Everyone say hello Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer and my mom is a cousin. So like it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club?

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And you are also very vulnerable and nobody's going to not know where you're thinking at what moment. One of my confusions towards your life choices, Caitlin, before we get into how you co-parent dogs, because that's everybody's question. Nashville's not a big city. My wife's from Nashville. I've been to Nashville many times.

Knowing you, how do you not have extreme anxiety every time you go out on a date or go anywhere in public that you're going to run into one of the people that you've dated now, that I've also would like make you feel very awkward. I never wanted to run in the lawn for years. I could, you know, at this point, I don't care. This taking me, I would say it took me a good six years to never want to like run into her in public again. Yes, thank you for, that is so relatable.

I always feel like I'm so dramatic or like such a baby, but I'm like, I have no interest. It takes time to like grieve a person, grieve a relationship, grieve who you thought somebody was. Like it is so, I do. I still to this day have anxiety. every time I go out thinking I'm going to run into someone. It's a little different with Jason because we do co-parent so we can get into that. So it's a little different because I could be like, hey, look at this funny thing. Roman did today and then move on.

But with Sean, I feel like there's still some sort of level of bitterness there. Or I guess there is in this relationship too. I don't know. I just haven't communicated with Sean. That could have been had or could be had, right? Like, I wouldn't even know what to say. I don't know if he'd want to even say hello. You probably freeze up.

You wouldn't actually have the conversation. You did run into him once? Only one time. And he was on the other end of a restaurant. And I was sitting at a table. And I was like, I remember looking and I was like, it looks like a trendy Sean Booth. Like he's like, you look really trendy. And then I was like, oh, that is a trendy little Sean Booth.

Oh, wow. He looks great. And then we've had a couple like text exchanges, but that's pretty much it. Yeah. So how do you function in your city knowing this is always a possibility? I would not be okay. I wouldn't. And there's no, there isn't even anger or like resentment. It's just like I don't know what I would say. I don't know how it's uncomfortable. Like to a person that I once in my life was the most comfortable with. Now I am the least comfortable with. And I don't want to have to figure that one out in the moment. Like I don't even know how to prepare myself. And I go through so many different phases again of like. like feeling mad or sad or like rooting for him like him as a dad I think is so cool because I saw the way he parented a dog and I was like oh I bet he's going to be an incredible father and like there's certain things I just have so many different emotions so I honestly don't know but I do get anxiety about that but I don't I don't really go out in Nashville I really just like I mean

what I would really like is him to pull up next to me and I'm in my bronco and I'm like yeah But, yeah, I don't know. I'm surprised it hasn't happened, but I wouldn't know how to, I wouldn't know how to act. I think I would want to like hug it out and be like, hey, should we talk? But then I'm scared he's going to be like, I hate you. Yeah. I get it. I get it.

Yeah, Lauren is a great human. I've never questioned that. But this year was the first time that I've seen her in person. I actually didn't see her. I'm lying when I say that. she her husband played in one golf group behind me in a celebrity golf group man and she walked up she think about how cool this is of her she walked up to my mom and my wife my wife was like a little bit ahead and just said hi which was like huge for me so my mom told me afterwards like hey I got to

see Lauren she was really sweet and she came and said hi to me and I was like that's amazing I didn't see her but like that's all I really wanted like I just need to know that she's cool to say hi to me too. I don't know. I feel like it's a given that it should be okay, but I just want to know that she's cool to say hi to me. If I'm cool to say like, I don't know. It's weird. I feel the same way, but okay, my dog's like pulling the charger out of my computer. I feel the same way like I just don't know. And like our text exchanges haven't been like the most friendly. So then I just don't know how it would be in person, but I want it to be cool. Like I want, I'm a big closure guy. I I want closure on things, and I don't think I've really felt that with that relationship.

I feel closure with Jason, and I still don't feel like I've had that closure with Sean. Well, you got to invite him on your podcast. Yeah, just bring them on. You could ask any question you want, and if they say something weird and mean, it's all recorded. It's amazing. That's why he would say no. There's no way he'd come on my podcast. For your own comfortability's sake, you probably, that would be the preferred method, right?

100%. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. But then I would, then it's like how honest, when you're on a podcast, how honest. That's why it's scary. I'm always so scared to do podcasts. Like I had so much anxiety, even about doing this one, because I'm like, well, I'm just

going to say what's on my mind and then it's going to turn into a damn headline. And then nobody's going to read the actual article. They're just going to think I'm this raging cunte. Yeah. That is the most fresh. No, the best headline that could exist from this whole episode would be Caitlin Bristow hates Ashley Ikenedy. That's all I want.

And I want to, like, that would be the most shocking and the best one. You just said it. So now they could make that. That would be amazing. They could take anything. Yeah. And then they'd have to read below to find out exactly what the truth is. Caitlin, I have only one more weird question before you before we like kind of dive in for the last few minutes on all the cool stuff you're up to.

And I know there is a lot. How do you co-parent? Because I know this. I do know this, and I'll tell you this from Jason, that it is probably the most difficult, like not even the most for us, just the most difficult thing to figure out how do you co-parent dogs in the midst of this situation? How are you doing it and how are you making it work? Well, it's really challenging because we're both obsessed with them and we're both really good

dog parents and the dogs love both of us very much. And so I'll never forget, Sean told me, like, you can never see Tucker again when we broke up. And I was like, I would never do that to anybody. I would never do that to Jason. And so co-parenting seemed like the only option here. But I will say, I don't think it's good for the dogs. It's, they have seemed more anxious with the transitions. Roman specifically, like, he gets really emotional.

And like, if Roman won't take a T-R-E-A-T, like something's wrong and he's been doing that lately, and he doesn't want to leave either house once he gets there and he doesn't know what to do. And I actually don't think it's healthy for the dogs. And I think we're being a little bit selfish because we both just want them so badly. But I think it's also nice because, you know, like I don't like the idea of putting them in a kennel or leaving them somewhere. And we both travel so much. So we're able to look at each other's schedules and say, look, I'm gone this time and you're here. So could you watch them here?

And then either way, we both have really incredible people that come house sit and watch the dogs who the dogs love. So I feel like we're literally two humans that are trying to do our best in that situation. But I honestly don't think it's good for the dogs. And it breaks my heart. Couple questions. Did you have ramen before you got together with Jason? So I rescued ramen. Jason and I were doing long distance.

Okay. And I rescued ramen. Yeah. And then Jason moved in. like I think five days after I got ramen I think which is why in my head perhaps like ramen is like yours well and I could never but you don't like because of the Sean thing you don't even like want to say that like it's yours because that was because also Sean's dog Tucker was like felt like no ramen's definitely mine but I would I would just I would also never separate these dogs they are so dependent on each other and they're like best friends so sometimes. it's like, well, why can't he take one? And I'm like, absolutely not. Raman and no, no, no, no. lose their shit without each other. So, yeah, it's really, it's really challenging and sad and scary. And it's like you already have not enough time with a dog. And to cut that

in half again, I'm just like, like, I'm way too sensitive about it. I could cry right now just thinking about it. Oh, yeah. I would never insinuate you separating the dogs at all. I just feel like, why do I think that the dogs are yours? Just because I'm closer friends with you. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. So, then I'm also like I feel like Jason like he went to Nashville because of you and I think that he could be happy

other places and it's like I feel like he's actually staying in Nashville because of the dogs yeah I don't know because he definitely didn't seem to be like the biggest fan of Nashville while we were together because I always wanted to well at the first couple years I didn't want to move I loved my house so much and then I was like

don't you think we should like get a house together and he was like I'm just not sold on Nashville And then when we broke up, he was like, Nashville's kind of grown on me. I'm like, I hate you. Give me my city back. Okay. And then I think it's like all good that you guys, you know, are sharing the dogs right now, even though you're saying that it's not like necessarily the best for the dog's mental health.

But in the fact that you, you know, you're both singleish in the sense that like you're not married. You don't have kids. Right. So how do you feel like things will change if like, say, fast forward five years, you're both married and with kids and then you're like transferring dogs every weekend? I asked him that. I said that. I said, what is going to happen if like say you meet a girl in, well, where I don't know where

Florida or you meet another girl in New York and you get married and you settle down or maybe I find somebody here and like, are you really going to come back every two weeks just to like share the dogs and is your partner going to be okay with that or I'm like in my head I'm just like can I just rescue a doggy for you and you just fly fly I don't honestly like there's so many things that would be easier to me than sharing dogs yeah it's I can't imagine I can't imagine the emotional roller coaster and I don't want to make you cry Caitlin but here's what I'm thinking, I travel a lot right now. And Whalen, when I'm home, sleeps on my legs. Like, his head lays on my legs every night on my ankles. And when I'm in a hotel room, you know what I've

had to start doing? That little son of a biscuit makes me lay a pillow on my ankle so I can fall asleep at night. It makes me what to, I'm tearing up. That little asshole who drives me crazy also is the one that controls my life when I'm in a hotel room and makes me go, I want to be home. Not only because my wife is there and she's my best friend and we can like laugh and have fun but then at night when everything calms down he lays his head on my ankles and i can't sleep without it you really is crying guys i know it's a bullshit it's a little no i totally get it i that makes me love you even more that you're that much of a dog guy like me like i my toxic trait is crying like my dog's already passed when he's right in front of me like i i am so like they are i i'm so like they are i

I feel like they're both my soul dogs. I feel like I can't. When I go away from like even for three days, I am like so sad. Hotels have been like putting picture frames in my hotel room of the dogs for me. And I'm like, I don't know if this helps or makes me even more sad because I just like stare at it and cry. Like I, my obsession with the dogs is honestly, I don't think it's healthy. Yeah.

I don't think it's healthy. It's weird. It isn't healthy. There's nothing healthy about it. because they're not here for that long and that's really sad and tough and I have to get over it the fact that my life is going to be

moving on far beyond it but it is absolutely ridiculous the amount of emotion that little squirt can bring out in me especially when he frustrates me all the time I laugh still because Ben used to like roll his eyes at me when I talk about Lois

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All right, Caitlin, are you dating? Yeah, I am. Good. So if somebody's listening or if I know somebody in Nashville who's an attractive, successful... End of my way. I didn't say I'm dating specifically only one person for the rest of my life. Do you know someone? Nashville, yes, we have a hot,

in Nashville just has a lot of really cool good-looking friends that have good roots oh wow i like roots um yes i'm dating i just feel like i i swear i'll always like say like yeah i'm dating or i'm going on a date but i'm i am literally never going to introduce the internet or podcast to anyone until i'm like married and pregnant like i would be like surprise and then they're be like what and i'll be like well i just wanted to make sure we waited six months and it was worth it um it's too much pressure when you do it earlier in that and jess wasn't yeah she had no following she had no like you know she didn't really even understand this whole thing and so when we introduced her it was a whole new ball game but at that point we were like no this is this is

the real deal and so we'll walk through this together now instead of like yeah i could see that i could i could see that doing it together i think i just don't I just don't want to fuck up another relationship. Not that it was all my fault, but like I just feel like it's such a, the noise is so loud all the time, especially. And I understand that people feel entitled to my dating life

because of being the bachelor at and sharing my relationships. And I get that. But I just, I will as soon as I'm like, okay, this is the one now. I, Caitlin, you just finished a tour as we close out here, a very successful tour. In fact, Bachelor Data just ranked you one of the top podcast. They really don't know how many numbers you're pulling.

I'm assuming you're very, very, very successfully high. But I don't know how they keep your numbers private from whatever. Yeah, your numbers are private. I want our numbers. Yeah, I don't want our numbers that will be seen. I want to always live. Yeah. Bachelor data just said, let's say, this. You are a very successful podcast host. You just finished a tour, a kind of a tell

all tour. You obviously have been kind of doing the Dancing with the Stars thing for a while. You're loved within Bachelor Nation. What have you been up to? What's next? What can people look forward to what's going on in your life as we close up here? The tour was so fun. Again, I called it the tell all tour when I was feeling really petty. So when I got there, I was like, eh. Time has passed. But it was still so fun.

It's just like, I mean, you did the Bachelor one where it was on the road, right? You did that for a bit. It got canceled because of COVID. Oh, well,

it just gets so, it's so nice to interact with people. Like sometimes I just talk to a wall and through a microphone and be like, is anyone out there listening? And so to actually like be in a room and feel the energy of all the, listeners and meet them and I just I love being on stage I feel like I've loved it since I was little from dancing until today like I love entertaining so that was so fun for me to be able to go out on tour and do that and I've been on tour so many other times but this time just

felt different I felt like I'm like I just love podcasting and I love meeting these people that want to listen to me so that was really nice my wine has been doing really well it's rolling out and a lot of targets over different states all the time. And I still have my wine club, which is really fun. We do like get-togethers every three months on Zoom. I also have a book club where we raise money for charities and it's really nerdy, but really fun. How can people find that?

I don't know. I know Spade and Sparrow, the wine, but I don't know about the book club. Yeah, so the book club is just through my podcast, Off the Vine. We, I just post on the Off the Vine page and then we'll pick a book. We're going to pick Hannah Brown's book next. And then I've had all the authors. come on our Zooms for our book club meetings and it's actually so cute. I get cuted out every time because I'm like, I'm such a nerd for books. And then people have to pay to come into the Zoom,

but all the proceeds go to a charity that aligns with the book. So that's been really fun. So maybe I'll read a book about coffee. No, you could read my book alone in plain sight. Oh, okay, okay. We'll read your book. And get, that's pretty much, I just podcast every Tuesday and Thursdays come out. And if people like wine, I'm really, really, that was the hardest. The wine business is 10 million times harder than I thought it was going to be. So if people want to support and buy the wine, you can just go on spade and sparrows.com and type in your zip code and see where it is near you. Well, speaking of Hannah Brown, we had her on our podcast recently. We also had Tyler on our podcast recently. And then we just were it next wedding. And I just feel like you're the next natural fit for special forces. Oh, God. They've had to have called you. No, I don't think I can do that. I feel like you could do it.

I feel like you would probably win because, you know, us Bachelor Nation on Special Forces, all we do is win, win, win. That's true. But you know what? It is, Ashley, for me, I have a very big phobia of throwing up. I know, I know I hear about this all the time from you.

I'm so scared that I would throw up on that show. It's like a very crippling fear of mine. And so I feel like I could do anything except for, throw up. But I do have an idea for a TV show that I want to do. So I've been talking to people in networks and certain companies and I have two

really big ideas that I want to do. So maybe not special forces and maybe I just come out with my own show because I have really good ideas. You have good ideas. Ben, have they not asked you either? Special forces? I don't think so. Traders, yes. You don't think so?

You're like, I'm not sure. I don't remember. I say no to a lot because, well, because I got married two years ago and like, I didn't want to go from marriage to like be on a show for a month. Well, Special Forces is only 10 days. Yeah. I don't think I've ever been asked to be. I don't think I've ever been asked to be in special Yeah. It's only 10 days, which is why they get the best cast. Yeah. Oh, that's smart. Which is why they never had me. You're like, oh, I could do 10 days. I could maybe do 10 days, but I also think I would rather do traders because I, they still have challenges. Um, but I've, like, it's bucket

list for me to go to Scotland, and I just love the host of that show so much. Yeah. I'm so done. This show makes me feel dumb. I have no idea what's going on. The game gameplay is not my thing. I love a gameplay. You'd rock it.

I'm so competitive. Ashley is, uh, Ashley's just too authentic. She's too much of a mom now. I can't lie. She can't lie. I can't, I've never been able to lie or fake anything. She's giving up. Yeah.

I'm a Gem and I, so we're good liars. Just kidding. Kaelin, here's the deal. Whatever season life takes you in next, it's going to be great. And whatever you're doing now is incredible. And you've made not only a foundation and a legacy for yourself that has not only far outreached so many others who have been a part of this show, but also just the influence that you've had on your following

will far outreach anything you can ever imagine. And so whatever you're up to next, whatever you do next is going to be, absolutely spectacular. It's absolutely incredible. Jared and I kind of got to talk about this at the wedding last weekend, but we have a thousand times where we question our identity, we question our impact, we question what in the world we're doing with this whole thing. And we look around us and we see so many people doing awesome stuff and you're always one of those. And so I want you to like rest tonight and the idea that when I think about people that have done great stuff

with the opportunity that was given to them, you're one of those people. And you're doing a great job. And so whatever is going to come in your future, it's going to be great and you've already done great. So I mean that and I believe that. Thank you for coming on. It means a lot to us. And we hope to talk to you soon,

some way or another. Don't get mad at me anymore. I don't like it. It makes me feel all weird. I never was. You thought I was and I should have told you I wasn't and I should have. If I'm ever upset with you, I will text you directly.

You know that I have before. Thank you for saying all that because even, even though you might think that, I still feel like I'm not doing enough and that I'm not making a big enough impact and that I'm like questioning what I'm doing next and why there isn't anything in the pipelines and like I'm probably getting old and blah, blah, blah.

Like I do that too. I feel like we're just all human beings trying to do our best. But thank you for saying that. It means a lot to me. I love you both so much. Ashley, I feel like you didn't get to get much of a word in, but I love you so much. No, no, no.

I like this. This is supposed to be a hashing out of me, too. I'm just here for as a sidekick today. And sometimes, you know, it feels weird when you have, like, real friends in the podcast because you're like, I'm interviewing a real friend, right? I know. We, like, just caught up recently. But also I'm like, I also don't want people to think, like, we just come on here and talk about my exes.

Like, that's, it's just like the nature of the show and people knowing who other people are. So it comes up. But, yeah, nothing but love for everybody. But speaking of that, let's just get one headline. How did you feel about Nick's wedding this weekend? Why wasn't I invited? No, I'm just kidding. That's the best headline.

I didn't think I was going to get invited. But no, I'm so happy. It's so funny because, you know, people in the world and who follow the Bachelor franchise, they think of marriage and babies as the biggest accomplishment. So I think that's why sometimes I feel like, what am I doing? And I look at, you know, Nick gets married. Sean has a baby. Jason has a new girlfriend and I'm like, fuck.

But really, I'm just so proud of like where I'm going and where I'm at and who I'm trying to be. So I just hope people see that. Yeah, and that's why I said that. I meant what I said. That was not just said that was meant. No, I believe you. From the bottom of my heart.

Now, Ashley, to close us out, you said you'd be a sidekick. Whose sidekick would you have been, mine or Caitlin's? Well, I feel like today I was your sidekick, Ben. But typically you'd be Caitlin's? Um, I would be a sidekick to both of you, but I think I'm more naturally your sidekick, Ben. Because we're sidekicks every day. Every, like multiple times a week. Yeah, that makes sense.

Well, I appreciate that. I like a sidekick. Yeah, she's a great sidekick. I love Ashley a lot. We've done this eight years. I couldn't do it without her. Well, hey, I couldn't do without all of you listening. Caitlin, thanks for coming on.

We appreciate you so much. Until next time, this has been the Almost Famous podcast, and I've been. I've been Ashley. And I've been Caitlin. Thank you. She gets it. Thank God. Someone gets it. Follow the Ben and Ashley I. Almost Famous Podcasts on IHartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.

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